Well presented. AI is just getting better. This also makes F4 lens more usable in low light and not necessary to upgrade to f2.8 lens , as u can just push up ISO and use Denoise
I can shoot my camera to over 25.000 ISO and still get a clean image. Even images up to 50.000 do well in some situations. Together with adding the background and foreground blur in photoshop saves me a few thousand Euro's. It just costs a lot of effort to blur.
I have been playing with the trial of DXO PureRaw3, barely 7 days in. To me LR Denoise seems to go head on against DXO. I have Topaz and have learned to use it so as to avoid the artifacts/oversharpening it sometimes does. I think, for now, I’m going to pause on DXO and just focus on LR and Topaz, as they seem complementary in that LR is raw only and Topaz does jpegs and tiff, plus I know how to use Topaz but not really DXO.
At 24 seconds, that IS super quick - I've had a single image take 24 minutes (42mp, Iso32,000)!! I definitely am going to have to upgrade my graphics card to use this, but that will cost almost the price I was going to have to spend on DxO anyway, so, I guess I've put that upgrade off long enough!
Great video. Like you, I was not expecting much from Adobe in the noise and sharpening space. But was I wrong! I have to say that the new NR feature in LR classic is simple and very effective. In my A:B tests it's either a subjective preference or (shock and horror) LR wins. Hmm. As a hobbyist, I'd have to say that I would save the few hundred bucks and stay within the LR workflow. I've been an Adobe 'basher' since the new subscription model came in - but they are providing value in the pace and features coming to market.
The denoise function appears to be very cpu/gpu intensive. You were demonstrating denoise with renderings under 30 secnonds. My I7 with an NVIDIA GForce 660--yeah, it's an old system--takes 45 minutes to process a raw image from my Nikon D600. Anyone published minimum requirements??
Yeah, that's crazy intensive! Matt showed a screenshot of his machine's specs: It's an M1 Max MacBook Pro with 96GB of RAM. I have a similar machine, and got similar times to Matt. However, I also have a 2018 Lenovo X1 Yoga, which is no slouch of a PC, and it would take hours to render the same files (but more likely hang up trying). It's basically inoperable with any AI photo app.
@@the-birdman-of-panama You need a mid level or high end discreet GPU for DxO or any AI noise reduction to be fast. A laptop with integrated graphics on the cpu will not run these programs efficiently at all. DxO recommends a minimum of an NVIDIA RTX 2060 or AMD RX6600 gpu, and with that you would have a processing time of about 2Mpx per second, so about 30 seconds for a 60MP file. If you have a Thunderbolt port on that Lenovo X1 you could add an external desktop gpu add on when you are at your desk at home, or at the office.
@@the-birdman-of-panama As for DxO 6 on Mac, the M1 and M2 chips are natively supported and DeepPrime and DeepPrimeXD are very fast as seen here in this video compared to an Intel chip with onboard graphics.
Like you, I've been using Topaz for noise reduction. This update is simply fantastic. If anything, Topaz has (to my eyes) a tendency to oversharpen in the course of reducing nose. I'm definitely going to play around with the Adobe Denoise. I never upsize; so I may have a decision to make about Photo AI if my results mirror yours.
Keep in mind, Photo AI is still not ready for prime time. I think it won't be till at least 2.0... I still feel like it's at the incremental update are just beta updates and it's still better than this. This is a nice start for Adobe
I pay for Lightroom so have this anyway, but unfortunately it has the same cartoonish features as the early AI denoising programs. Pureraw 3 is just on another level, im going to keep using it.
I have not really considered getting a new computer. Mine seems OK. But what takes you 25 seconds takes me 2 minutes. Maybe a new graphics card? Is it the GPU that does the work? I updated the drivers. No help. Oh well, maybe a new graphics card!
Excellent video as always, Matt. I appreciate how evenhanded it was near the end, when helping decide whether to use Lightroom or a third-party app on noise. You're right: all these AI apps are so good that you sometimes have to pixel-peep at 300% to show meaningful differences. It's all about the preferred workflow. I already have a preference of DxO PureRAW 3 over Lightroom's update, but I'll continue to tweak my results with Lightroom and would love to wean off my continually updated (at $79 each time) add-on.
This is all great if you have a high spec computer. My pc and laptop manage most Adobe processes but are throwing in the towel at this new AI noise reduction.
Hi Matt, Thank you for great instructional vid as always. I have latest Lr and Camera Raw version installed as you described but when I open one of my existing catalog of Sony A1 ARW files in Lr, the 'Denoise' button is grayed out with message below saying "Denoise is not currently compatible with this photo format". Any thoughts ! Thank you ...
Whoa..... It must be time to build a new computer. I just ran this on an old image from 2016 when I was shooting with a D7200 and the new LR AI denoise took over 10 minutes to process. Next test is going to be on an image from the Z9. I'm not looking forward to that test...lol. My current system was built in 2015 and is running an Intell i-5-6500 CPU @ 3.2 GHz with 32 GB of RAM. Ummm.... yeah, she has some miles on her.
Using Topaz Denoise AI or PureRaw or others, the resulting DNG file is much (about 2 times) bigger than the original DNG file. Please comment on the size of the resulting DNG file using Lightroom's new Denoise tool. Thank you.
Thanks Matt. What a great comparison of the 2 products that I use a lot: LR and Topaz Photo AI. At the end, you did a great job of explaining whether to use LR or AI and you hit on the 2 main reasons a person might stick with the AI: your personal work flow and up-sizing . Looking down the road a bit- if Topaz wants to charge me for updating the AI, (AND LR has kept pace) it might be time to let it go and just focus (see what I did there?) on LR for all of my editing needs. And thanks for the comparison photos. Nothing beats actual side by side images to let us see for ourselves. Well done, fella.
Unfortunately, RAW photos taken with the phone give a warning that they are incompatible for DNG format and the new denoise option is not active. Works with Canon DSLR CR2. I guess it only recognizes DSLR cameras DENOISE option.
Its not the chip in your computer which matters for this. While running it my CPU shows 0 activity but my limited GPU - Graphics card, is at 100% sos that's where this process is done and if its slow, a new graphics card might be the answer not necessarily a new computer.
Competition is good. Adobe has thousands of features to worry about so I’m not sure we’ll see updates to this. Each of those companies only have a handful of features to worry about, so we’ll probably see more innovation which is only a good thing for us.
I was literally just comparing Topaz with DXO to determine which one to go ahead and purchase - good timing Adobe! Now just need an improved sharpening AI tool and I’ll be content (for a while).
Is anyone able to explain why Dimension of new DNG file, which was created after denoising is 683x1014? How to keep dimension as the Original foto 6024x4024?
My own tests on identical images, reveal LRC takes three times as long as TopazAI. Same laptop, same RAW images, same settings. Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz 1.99 GHz 64 bit Windows 10, with 32gb ram. Intel UHD620 graphics card 16gb . I have cleared my cache, uninstalled everything I can. have enough space.. should not take 12 mins to process a27mp RAW file from my Z611. Will keep researching but Topaz takes less than 4 minutes and the results aren't that different enough to make me change my workflow.
Its nice to save high iso photos but for lower iso levels like 800-3200 I tend to prefer the classic look with the noise over the smooth denoised image. Depends on the usecase ofcourse.
I and others, have noted that Denoise appears to REPLACE the original Sony A1 raw file with the DNG. Can't seem to find the original raw file after running Denoise? Any thoughts?
i run a ryzen 5 3600 16 gb ram and an RTX3060 12 gb....in camera raw for some reason get 11 minutes est. time on a 24 mp image :( with gpu full accelaration....worst part is that the estimate is true!!
Running photos on a Mid 2015 MacBook Pro. macOS Monterey. Each Denoise is an estimated time of 6 minutes! Way too long. Time to update to a new computer I guess.
You have to consider the kind of files you need to process: both Dxo PureRaw & Adobe Denoise only work in Raw Photos, Topaz Photo AI and On1 No Noise can also be applied to Jpeg or Tiff. That makes a lot of difference, of course if or when Adobe Denoise can also work with Jpegs etc that can turn things in their favour. To early to tell.
Is this new feature not available in Photoshop via Camera Raw? In other words, you could open a JPG in Photoshop, convert to Smart Object, then edit Camera Raw.
Great addition to Lightroom and camera raw. My workflow with high ISO files is DXO and finish with Topaz Sharpen. You hit the nail on the head, the new noise removal is very close, now we need adobe to bring world class sharpening to Lightroom. Thanks for your thoughts.
It's a nice start but it's still quite behind Topaz Denosie AI and Photo AI. Photo is still not ready for prime time. It's something to keep an eye on but my wildlife image look significantly better in Topaz apps at this point
It's great to see your take on this. I saw the update Monday night and nobody was talking about it yet. Now that several people are dropping videos, it seems that the consensus is that Adobe really hit it out of the park on this one. I expect we'll see sharpening from them fairly soon as well. In the one photo that you should with the comparison to Topaz, I thought that the Topaz version was a little "crunchy" in terms of sharpness, and it also looked like it had more noise still than what the Adobe result was. I think that it is important that everyone determines what will work best for them as it may not be a one size fits all photos solution. My biggest issue, personally, is how long it takes. My computer is sitting right around 10 years old, so it takes a very long time to process this on an image. I did recently get ON1's NoNoise, which I think is faster, but it's also cumbersome to send the image out to another program.
Hi Craig. Thanks, glad you liked it. 1. RE: crunchy... I want my zoomed in images to look a little crunchy. When zoomed out they look fantastic and if you print (which I do), you need to over sharpen. It's a process and a look that everyone needs to develop on their own. But, for me, my photos should always look crunchy when zoomed in to those levels. 2. I'm not sure Adobe will do sharpening. They already did the "Enhance Details" thing and I think that was their attempt. Who knows. I honestly don't keep up with betas much so I have no idea. Thanks!
Is there a way to batch edit in Lightroom with ai denoise? Or you have to manually go in every pic and activate the ai denoise? Couldn't find a way to make it like a preset...
The plug-ins were always too inconsistent to me because they do seem to use the AI to detect the subject and which areas of it should not receive as much noise reduction. LR now seems to use AI to model the noise of the camera as such and then use the RAW conversion process (which contains edge detection already for example) to give hints to the noise reduction which pixel variance would be expected and thus what to smooth out - if you look at the dialog then you see that the RAW Detail enhancement is automatically enabled. This IMHO results in a much more consistent noise reduction which makes it infinitely more palatable to me.
trying to use Denise on a raw Sony arw file but its saying denoise is not currently available on this photo format? do you know how to fix this ? thanks in advance
This is the way things always go if major companies are on the ball. Let edge companies develop the edge tools, then learn from them and incorporate. Congrats to Adobe for staying on the ball. But let's applaud Topaz for being in the game and driving things forward.
@@andrewbealing You're right, Andrew. I'm getting similar times between Topaz Photo AI and the new Lightroom DeNoise. But I do have a screaming fast Apple M1 Max. My PC laptop with its older graphics won't run either of those programs reliably.
Thanks! I wonder if this technology will eventually appear in Photoshop as the long-promised Neural Noise Reduction filter so it could be applied to other file formats later in the workflow.
I love, love, love this! Topaz tended to add weird artifacts in animal fur and whiskers. There was also no way to turn off the sharpening. It would destroy the very subtle feather detail in birds. Adobe really came through! I actually will sharpen in ACR now after doing denoise, and I love the result.
On the few images that I have tried I find the new LR Denoise is better than Topaz, it maintains the detail more, Topaz can make images look a bit 'plasticy'
I disagree with you on the sharpening. I don't see any significant sharpening as part of the Denoise process. I almost always need to add sharpening afterward. AI noise reduction technology is amazing, but the LR Denoise feature is not itself amazing because they are just playing catchup with other products that have been on the market for quite some time. I do wish they had combined noise reduction and sharpening and provided a Sharpening slider in the Enhance window.
I saw some sharpening, but not enough. That's where the new Lightroom DeNoise falls for me compared with DxO Pure Raw 3. I feel as if I need to do more work on the sharpening end with the new Lightroom feature.
Matt, does TOPAZ also create a "side file"? I mean...does Topaz also duplicate the original photo? Because what lightroom does is SO VERY SPACE CONSUMING :(
Hi Matt, Many thank for your great guide. However could you please go further with denoise timing...my PC is Intel i5 11th, RAM 32GB, SSD and it takes 5 minutes for Olympus MFT raw file and 15 minutes for Fuji GFX100s for denoise (Standard setting 50%). is that normal? what should I do to improve it?
Great video, Matt. Sadly, the latest ACR 15.3 is making my RAW images appear super contrasty and underexposed when opened up. ACR Thumbnails look normal and so does the RAW file when I open it in Photoshop. Only way I can access the new denoise and have my RAW files look normal in ACR is to switch off the graphics processor. That's fine, but I need the graphics processor for HDR.
Why is it ungodly slow to render a Sony raw file? Takes over 5 minutes and I have a fast computer. Plus there’s not any options like Topaz DeNoise. Everybody is raving, but I don’t get it. Love your videos…..
I have Denoise software and after using Adobe's Denoise, I prefer Adobe's Denoise as it does not change the colour post Denoising unlike Denoise software. Additionally, Adobe's Denoise maintains the quality of raw files which Denoise does not do completely. Cheers for making this video.
Great denoise intro and comparisons w/ old Adobe and Topaz. The new built-in LRC denoise is way faster than using Topaz, at least the way I'm doing it. With Topaz (Windows), I right-click on a photo and click "Edit in..." and choose Topaz DeNoise (or Sharpen or Photo). This generates a pop-up asking to confirm settings (Edit a Copy with LR Adjustments, File Format, Color Space, etc.). Click on "Edit" then Topaz launches its app w/ the photo. From there, fiddle with the adjustment knobs and zoom range (and wait for Topaz to re-render every time you make the slightest zoom change), click Apply and wait for Topaz to re-generate the final TIFF and exit back to LRC. This is clunky, cumbersome, and even on my AMD 3970X monster machine (32 processors, 128GB RAM, SSD, nVidia GeForce RTX 4080), a simple file will take maybe a minute+ all-in. With Adobe, I click "DeNoise", and click "Enhance" when the popup box appears (don't even have to wait for the sample rendering). Within 10-15 seconds I'm done. Also, just like Topaz, in LRC you can select an entire group of photos, turn on AutoSync, then click Denoise just one time to automatically apply Denoise to all photos in the group at once. Super handy, especially if you have a group of relatively similar photos (same outdoor lighting, same general camera conditions, etc.). When I pixel peep, Topaz does do a slightly better job overall, but part of this is the fine-tuning Topaz enables. Adobe's solution has but one basic slider and I've found it's best/fastest/easiest to just let Adobe choose where that slider belongs. I'll probably keep my Topaz tools, for special pics. But for the most part, Adobe's NR just changed my workflow for the better.
Help, why my render of a raw file from a6400 takes 9 minutes? On a i7 12700k, 64 gb ram, radeon rx 6700 xt. Whats wrong? The results are great but it renders very slow. I use camera raw in PS.
@@MattKloskowski tried and yes. However; it’s not the same as pasting or syncing the other settings. One must highlight the images and then click on “denoise” once the pop up window opens, it will ask of you want to apply the denoise to all the images selected. Thanks Matt! Love your content.
Thank you very much for your explanation. However, I noticed that the new feature is not compatible with older RAW files from my Canon 7D en 5D or G5X.
I'm running a mid range PC with 56 gig ram, GTX 1060 etc and I'm getting an error when hitting enhance - dng file not created and gpu has been disabled for current session... frustrating!!
I tested the manual noise reduction on the latest LR and it is better at retaining some detail on a face with some blemishes (ISO 5000) than a much older generation of LR. The new Denoise feature showed more detail especially on the clothing, face, and eyes, but it added some strange pattern on the face of one of the ladies who had some blemishes almost as if she did a very poor makeup job. Adding to the fact that my computer is a little older (specs: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.19 GHz with 32 GB RAM), the painstaking slowness of the processing makes it unusable unless I'm only editing one specific image. It might be time to upgrade. LOL
Good video, thank you, I have subscribed. I renewed my Topaz package in December 2022, having purchased it at about half price the year before. It will be interesting to discover how good Adobe Denoise is in December this year versus Topaz, which will determine whether I renew my Topaz package again, or just Topaz sharpening - I've already concluded Adobe enhance is already pretty good vs Topaz Gigapixel.
Love your video on this. I want to use Noise AI in Photoshop then access it in ACR then close the raw file in PS so it saves as a TIF not a DNG. But there is no noise AI button in ACR when I open it from inside Photoshop. I called Adobe and the support tech didn't even know there was this new feature. I tried to open the dgn then save it but it will nto auto save as a tif. I do save as then I must laboriously find the folder I want to save it to. The DNG file is a pain.
nice review. amazing results, especially for a V1 while pure raw is at V3... any chance one day LRC doesn't create a huge extra DNG file and stores modifications in the catalog for previews..?
You saw the only controls. I always want mine to look over sharpened at that zoom level. It means it will look great when zoomed out and if printing it always needs to have extra sharpening applied to it.
I'm used to Adobe CC and don't want to switch or add programs but I routinely feel sour about paying for it. The standout is Lightroom - the updates they've been cranking out there in the past few years are awesome. Excited to try this out, great vid!
İ tried it 2 ways at the beginning of coloring and after completed the coloring , to be honest it definitely should have done at beginning because otherwise it ruins all the color !
It does a pretty decent job! My main issue with it is CPU performance, since my GPU is too old to use the full hardware acceleration in Lightroom. It takes several minutes per photo running on my 12th gen Intel, compared to 30-45 seconds in Topaz. Also, it makes a stack with the original, but doesn't add it to the collection with the original like Topaz does.
Thanks for this great video and comparison. Your videos on the LR virtual summit were great. Will you update your wildlife editing book to include this new future? Also, is the noise reduction better in Photoshop than LR Classic?
is their a way to apply this to more than one photo in Lightroom? also is there a way to delete the old file since it makes two separate files on Lightroom?
I love you mention about better option and compared it
Well presented. AI is just getting better. This also makes F4 lens more usable in low light and not necessary to upgrade to f2.8 lens , as u can just push up ISO and use Denoise
Heck I have been using a 200-600 at 6.3 shooting at 5000 iso and in Topaz it makes it look like 100 iso. Could prob shoot up to 12800!
I can shoot my camera to over 25.000 ISO and still get a clean image. Even images up to 50.000 do well in some situations. Together with adding the background and foreground blur in photoshop saves me a few thousand Euro's. It just costs a lot of effort to blur.
It's really good. I think the only competitor is DxO's DeepPrimeXD, which may be a tiny bit better.
I have been playing with the trial of DXO PureRaw3, barely 7 days in. To me LR Denoise seems to go head on against DXO. I have Topaz and have learned to use it so as to avoid the artifacts/oversharpening it sometimes does. I think, for now, I’m going to pause on DXO and just focus on LR and Topaz, as they seem complementary in that LR is raw only and Topaz does jpegs and tiff, plus I know how to use Topaz but not really DXO.
At 24 seconds, that IS super quick - I've had a single image take 24 minutes (42mp, Iso32,000)!! I definitely am going to have to upgrade my graphics card to use this, but that will cost almost the price I was going to have to spend on DxO anyway, so, I guess I've put that upgrade off long enough!
Great video. Like you, I was not expecting much from Adobe in the noise and sharpening space. But was I wrong! I have to say that the new NR feature in LR classic is simple and very effective. In my A:B tests it's either a subjective preference or (shock and horror) LR wins. Hmm. As a hobbyist, I'd have to say that I would save the few hundred bucks and stay within the LR workflow. I've been an Adobe 'basher' since the new subscription model came in - but they are providing value in the pace and features coming to market.
The denoise function appears to be very cpu/gpu intensive. You were demonstrating denoise with renderings under 30 secnonds. My I7 with an NVIDIA GForce 660--yeah, it's an old system--takes 45 minutes to process a raw image from my Nikon D600. Anyone published minimum requirements??
Hear hear! I tried it on my laptop and the estimated time was 217 minutes!
Yeah, that's crazy intensive! Matt showed a screenshot of his machine's specs: It's an M1 Max MacBook Pro with 96GB of RAM. I have a similar machine, and got similar times to Matt. However, I also have a 2018 Lenovo X1 Yoga, which is no slouch of a PC, and it would take hours to render the same files (but more likely hang up trying). It's basically inoperable with any AI photo app.
@@the-birdman-of-panama You need a mid level or high end discreet GPU for DxO or any AI noise reduction to be fast. A laptop with integrated graphics on the cpu will not run these programs efficiently at all. DxO recommends a minimum of an NVIDIA RTX 2060 or AMD RX6600 gpu, and with that you would have a processing time of about 2Mpx per second, so about 30 seconds for a 60MP file. If you have a Thunderbolt port on that Lenovo X1 you could add an external desktop gpu add on when you are at your desk at home, or at the office.
@@the-birdman-of-panama As for DxO 6 on Mac, the M1 and M2 chips are natively supported and DeepPrime and DeepPrimeXD are very fast as seen here in this video compared to an Intel chip with onboard graphics.
@@DragonfireRC Indeed. That's why I bought the M1 Max.
Like you, I've been using Topaz for noise reduction. This update is simply fantastic. If anything, Topaz has (to my eyes) a tendency to oversharpen in the course of reducing nose. I'm definitely going to play around with the Adobe Denoise. I never upsize; so I may have a decision to make about Photo AI if my results mirror yours.
Keep in mind, Photo AI is still not ready for prime time. I think it won't be till at least 2.0... I still feel like it's at the incremental update are just beta updates and it's still better than this. This is a nice start for Adobe
I pay for Lightroom so have this anyway, but unfortunately it has the same cartoonish features as the early AI denoising programs. Pureraw 3 is just on another level, im going to keep using it.
I have not really considered getting a new computer. Mine seems OK. But what takes you 25 seconds takes me 2 minutes. Maybe a new graphics card? Is it the GPU that does the work?
I updated the drivers. No help. Oh well, maybe a new graphics card!
Excellent video as always, Matt. I appreciate how evenhanded it was near the end, when helping decide whether to use Lightroom or a third-party app on noise. You're right: all these AI apps are so good that you sometimes have to pixel-peep at 300% to show meaningful differences. It's all about the preferred workflow. I already have a preference of DxO PureRAW 3 over Lightroom's update, but I'll continue to tweak my results with Lightroom and would love to wean off my continually updated (at $79 each time) add-on.
This is all great if you have a high spec computer. My pc and laptop manage most Adobe processes but are throwing in the towel at this new AI noise reduction.
The process is done in the graphics card/GPU so you might want to consider upgrading that rather than a new computer
I want this for my tablet version
Hi Matt, Thank you for great instructional vid as always.
I have latest Lr and Camera Raw version installed as you described but when I open one of my existing catalog of Sony A1 ARW files in Lr, the 'Denoise' button is grayed out with message below saying "Denoise is not currently compatible with this photo format".
Any thoughts ! Thank you ...
I got the same message.
I have the R6mkll
Whoa..... It must be time to build a new computer. I just ran this on an old image from 2016 when I was shooting with a D7200 and the new LR AI denoise took over 10 minutes to process. Next test is going to be on an image from the Z9. I'm not looking forward to that test...lol. My current system was built in 2015 and is running an Intell i-5-6500 CPU @ 3.2 GHz with 32 GB of RAM. Ummm.... yeah, she has some miles on her.
Lol... just as I thought, estimated 20 minutes to process the Z9 file.
This process is all done in the graphics card not the CPU
Nice video! Nice shirt!
It says denoise is not compatible with this photo format; what format does it your image need to be in?
Using Topaz Denoise AI or PureRaw or others, the resulting DNG file is much (about 2 times) bigger than the original DNG file. Please comment on the size of the resulting DNG file using Lightroom's new Denoise tool. Thank you.
I like the shirt you wore today! God bless America! Oh, yes, and thanks for the informative AI video.
Thanks Matt. What a great comparison of the 2 products that I use a lot: LR and Topaz Photo AI. At the end, you did a great job of explaining whether to use LR or AI and you hit on the 2 main reasons a person might stick with the AI: your personal work flow and up-sizing .
Looking down the road a bit- if Topaz wants to charge me for updating the AI, (AND LR has kept pace) it might be time to let it go and just focus (see what I did there?) on LR for all of my editing needs.
And thanks for the comparison photos. Nothing beats actual side by side images to let us see for ourselves.
Well done, fella.
Thanks Randy!
Unfortunately, RAW photos taken with the phone give a warning that they are incompatible for DNG format and the new denoise option is not active. Works with Canon DSLR CR2. I guess it only recognizes DSLR cameras DENOISE option.
Its not the chip in your computer which matters for this. While running it my CPU shows 0 activity but my limited GPU - Graphics card, is at 100% sos that's where this process is done and if its slow, a new graphics card might be the answer not necessarily a new computer.
Looks good to me, I think Topaz, ON One and DXO will be a bit concerned about this.
Good review, thanks, Martin.
Competition is good. Adobe has thousands of features to worry about so I’m not sure we’ll see updates to this. Each of those companies only have a handful of features to worry about, so we’ll probably see more innovation which is only a good thing for us.
Matt, thanks so much for the review. I always appreciate your reviews. I use Topaz Photo AI for noise reduction but now I will have to compare images.
I was literally just comparing Topaz with DXO to determine which one to go ahead and purchase - good timing Adobe! Now just need an improved sharpening AI tool and I’ll be content (for a while).
its terribly slow for me like 24 minutes while as the same photo in pureraw takes 3-4 minutes for the same photo
You should check your graphics card settings and/or contact Adobe if you’re having issues.
Is anyone able to explain why Dimension of new DNG file, which was created after denoising is 683x1014? How to keep dimension as the Original foto 6024x4024?
My own tests on identical images, reveal LRC takes three times as long as TopazAI. Same laptop, same RAW images, same settings. Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8565U CPU @ 1.80GHz 1.99 GHz 64 bit Windows 10, with 32gb ram. Intel UHD620 graphics card 16gb . I have cleared my cache, uninstalled everything I can. have enough space.. should not take 12 mins to process a27mp RAW file from my Z611. Will keep researching but Topaz takes less than 4 minutes and the results aren't that different enough to make me change my workflow.
Its nice to save high iso photos but for lower iso levels like 800-3200 I tend to prefer the classic look with the noise over the smooth denoised image. Depends on the usecase ofcourse.
Makes Canon 600mm and 800mm F11 a lot more usable, especially with crop cameras like the R10 and R7.
I and others, have noted that Denoise appears to REPLACE the original Sony A1 raw file with the DNG. Can't seem to find the original raw file after running Denoise? Any thoughts?
hey !! great video, lovely example photos and... greetings from CHile !! ;)
Your Mac time to process- 25sec., old PC with Windows 10 - 28 minutes,i think i skip this function for now;)
i run a ryzen 5 3600 16 gb ram and an RTX3060 12 gb....in camera raw for some reason get 11 minutes est. time on a 24 mp image :( with gpu full accelaration....worst part is that the estimate is true!!
Running photos on a Mid 2015 MacBook Pro. macOS Monterey. Each Denoise is an estimated time of 6 minutes! Way too long. Time to update to a new computer I guess.
You have to consider the kind of files you need to process: both Dxo PureRaw & Adobe Denoise only work in Raw Photos, Topaz Photo AI and On1 No Noise can also be applied to Jpeg or Tiff. That makes a lot of difference, of course if or when Adobe Denoise can also work with Jpegs etc that can turn things in their favour. To early to tell.
Is this new feature not available in Photoshop via Camera Raw? In other words, you could open a JPG in Photoshop, convert to Smart Object, then edit Camera Raw.
@@namakudamono it is in camera raw but only shows up for raw images
@@ToniCorvera Got it, thanks!
Great addition to Lightroom and camera raw. My workflow with high ISO files is DXO and finish with Topaz Sharpen. You hit the nail on the head, the new noise removal is very close, now we need adobe to bring world class sharpening to Lightroom. Thanks for your thoughts.
It's a nice start but it's still quite behind Topaz Denosie AI and Photo AI. Photo is still not ready for prime time. It's something to keep an eye on but my wildlife image look significantly better in Topaz apps at this point
Mw watching this at 1080 and didn’t really see the difference. Now i know why
It's great to see your take on this. I saw the update Monday night and nobody was talking about it yet. Now that several people are dropping videos, it seems that the consensus is that Adobe really hit it out of the park on this one. I expect we'll see sharpening from them fairly soon as well.
In the one photo that you should with the comparison to Topaz, I thought that the Topaz version was a little "crunchy" in terms of sharpness, and it also looked like it had more noise still than what the Adobe result was. I think that it is important that everyone determines what will work best for them as it may not be a one size fits all photos solution.
My biggest issue, personally, is how long it takes. My computer is sitting right around 10 years old, so it takes a very long time to process this on an image. I did recently get ON1's NoNoise, which I think is faster, but it's also cumbersome to send the image out to another program.
Hi Craig. Thanks, glad you liked it.
1. RE: crunchy... I want my zoomed in images to look a little crunchy. When zoomed out they look fantastic and if you print (which I do), you need to over sharpen. It's a process and a look that everyone needs to develop on their own. But, for me, my photos should always look crunchy when zoomed in to those levels.
2. I'm not sure Adobe will do sharpening. They already did the "Enhance Details" thing and I think that was their attempt. Who knows. I honestly don't keep up with betas much so I have no idea.
Thanks!
4GB GPU VRAM required for this ....
Is there a way to batch edit in Lightroom with ai denoise? Or you have to manually go in every pic and activate the ai denoise? Couldn't find a way to make it like a preset...
Does not seem to work with Canon CRAW files. Not compatible
Awesome advice! Thanks for your videos!
Could I ask whether you are using any mic to record or the sound comes from a built-in mic?:)
It seems the results are now much closer to the PureRAW2 results.
My experience is that this takes longer than going to Topaz Photo AI and the results aren't as good.
The way things are looking Noise issues will be the thing of the past...
The plug-ins were always too inconsistent to me because they do seem to use the AI to detect the subject and which areas of it should not receive as much noise reduction. LR now seems to use AI to model the noise of the camera as such and then use the RAW conversion process (which contains edge detection already for example) to give hints to the noise reduction which pixel variance would be expected and thus what to smooth out - if you look at the dialog then you see that the RAW Detail enhancement is automatically enabled. This IMHO results in a much more consistent noise reduction which makes it infinitely more palatable to me.
trying to use Denise on a raw Sony arw file but its saying denoise is not currently available on this photo format? do you know how to fix this ? thanks in advance
Is this available in the lightroom app for iPad etc
This is the way things always go if major companies are on the ball. Let edge companies develop the edge tools, then learn from them and incorporate. Congrats to Adobe for staying on the ball. But let's applaud Topaz for being in the game and driving things forward.
This is like a god send to people just getting into photography and editing
As usual, the most measured sane advice. Thanks Matt
It is slow takes 15 min to do one photo so how is this going save time?😔 My laptop is not that old.
It is not as good as Topaz and it is slow AF.
You might need a new graphics card - I do. This process is all done in the GPU not the CPU
@@andrewbealing You're right, Andrew. I'm getting similar times between Topaz Photo AI and the new Lightroom DeNoise. But I do have a screaming fast Apple M1 Max. My PC laptop with its older graphics won't run either of those programs reliably.
@@andrewbealing Ahhh, thank you for that information.
Mine fails on a pc ram,cpu & vram not maxing out
Thanks! I wonder if this technology will eventually appear in Photoshop as the long-promised Neural Noise Reduction filter so it could be applied to other file formats later in the workflow.
I don't think so, it's integrated in the RAW Detail enhancement which is a demosaicing...
I love, love, love this! Topaz tended to add weird artifacts in animal fur and whiskers. There was also no way to turn off the sharpening. It would destroy the very subtle feather detail in birds. Adobe really came through! I actually will sharpen in ACR now after doing denoise, and I love the result.
is that option setting only available for purchased Adobe product only or what ? please answer, really appreciate it
Yep
On the few images that I have tried I find the new LR Denoise is better than Topaz, it maintains the detail more, Topaz can make images look a bit 'plasticy'
Amazing Noise Reduction in Lightroom and Photoshop ?
where in photoshop ???
Hi. It’s in Camera Raw detail panel
I disagree with you on the sharpening. I don't see any significant sharpening as part of the Denoise process. I almost always need to add sharpening afterward.
AI noise reduction technology is amazing, but the LR Denoise feature is not itself amazing because they are just playing catchup with other products that have been on the market for quite some time. I do wish they had combined noise reduction and sharpening and provided a Sharpening slider in the Enhance window.
I disagree with your disagreement. :-)
I saw some sharpening, but not enough. That's where the new Lightroom DeNoise falls for me compared with DxO Pure Raw 3. I feel as if I need to do more work on the sharpening end with the new Lightroom feature.
Matt, does TOPAZ also create a "side file"? I mean...does Topaz also duplicate the original photo? Because what lightroom does is SO VERY SPACE CONSUMING :(
Yes. Any app you go to from LR will always make a duplicate.
Hi Matt, Many thank for your great guide. However could you please go further with denoise timing...my PC is Intel i5 11th, RAM 32GB, SSD and it takes 5 minutes for Olympus MFT raw file and 15 minutes for Fuji GFX100s for denoise (Standard setting 50%). is that normal? what should I do to improve it?
Hi. I cannot. You’d want to contact Adobe if you’re having issues. Thanks
Great video, Matt. Sadly, the latest ACR 15.3 is making my RAW images appear super contrasty and underexposed when opened up. ACR Thumbnails look normal and so does the RAW file when I open it in Photoshop. Only way I can access the new denoise and have my RAW files look normal in ACR is to switch off the graphics processor. That's fine, but I need the graphics processor for HDR.
Why is it ungodly slow to render a Sony raw file? Takes over 5 minutes and I have a fast computer. Plus there’s not any options like Topaz DeNoise. Everybody is raving, but I don’t get it. Love your videos…..
Great question for adobe :-)
I have Denoise software and after using Adobe's Denoise, I prefer Adobe's Denoise as it does not change the colour post Denoising unlike Denoise software. Additionally, Adobe's Denoise maintains the quality of raw files which Denoise does not do completely. Cheers for making this video.
Great denoise intro and comparisons w/ old Adobe and Topaz. The new built-in LRC denoise is way faster than using Topaz, at least the way I'm doing it. With Topaz (Windows), I right-click on a photo and click "Edit in..." and choose Topaz DeNoise (or Sharpen or Photo). This generates a pop-up asking to confirm settings (Edit a Copy with LR Adjustments, File Format, Color Space, etc.). Click on "Edit" then Topaz launches its app w/ the photo. From there, fiddle with the adjustment knobs and zoom range (and wait for Topaz to re-render every time you make the slightest zoom change), click Apply and wait for Topaz to re-generate the final TIFF and exit back to LRC. This is clunky, cumbersome, and even on my AMD 3970X monster machine (32 processors, 128GB RAM, SSD, nVidia GeForce RTX 4080), a simple file will take maybe a minute+ all-in. With Adobe, I click "DeNoise", and click "Enhance" when the popup box appears (don't even have to wait for the sample rendering). Within 10-15 seconds I'm done. Also, just like Topaz, in LRC you can select an entire group of photos, turn on AutoSync, then click Denoise just one time to automatically apply Denoise to all photos in the group at once. Super handy, especially if you have a group of relatively similar photos (same outdoor lighting, same general camera conditions, etc.). When I pixel peep, Topaz does do a slightly better job overall, but part of this is the fine-tuning Topaz enables. Adobe's solution has but one basic slider and I've found it's best/fastest/easiest to just let Adobe choose where that slider belongs. I'll probably keep my Topaz tools, for special pics. But for the most part, Adobe's NR just changed my workflow for the better.
Topaz still best.
Help, why my render of a raw file from a6400 takes 9 minutes? On a i7 12700k, 64 gb ram, radeon rx 6700 xt. Whats wrong? The results are great but it renders very slow. I use camera raw in PS.
It's saying all my photos are unsupported by this feature. Any idea why? I shoot Nikon in RAW format.
Hi. I would check with Adobe.
This is awesome. Do you know if this can be synced or pasted to several images?
I think so but give it a try and see.
@@MattKloskowski tried and yes. However; it’s not the same as pasting or syncing the other settings. One must highlight the images and then click on “denoise” once the pop up window opens, it will ask of you want to apply the denoise to all the images selected. Thanks Matt! Love your content.
Thank you very much for your explanation. However, I noticed that the new feature is not compatible with older RAW files from my Canon 7D en 5D or G5X.
Do you think this will come to Lightroom mobile on iPad cause this will be game changing! Can’t find anything for iPad photo editing like this!
I'm running a mid range PC with 56 gig ram, GTX 1060 etc and I'm getting an error when hitting enhance - dng file not created and gpu has been disabled for current session... frustrating!!
Whenever I try the denoise in ACR it freezes then shuts my MacBook off. I have a MacBook Pro mid-2012 laptop.
Unfortunately this doesn't work with JPG's...
I tested the manual noise reduction on the latest LR and it is better at retaining some detail on a face with some blemishes (ISO 5000) than a much older generation of LR. The new Denoise feature showed more detail especially on the clothing, face, and eyes, but it added some strange pattern on the face of one of the ladies who had some blemishes almost as if she did a very poor makeup job. Adding to the fact that my computer is a little older (specs: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.19 GHz with 32 GB RAM), the painstaking slowness of the processing makes it unusable unless I'm only editing one specific image. It might be time to upgrade. LOL
This doesnt work with iphone RAW photos unless I'm missing something?
It does not. Adobe has a list of applicable files on their website if you do a little Google search you'll be able to find it.
Good video, thank you, I have subscribed. I renewed my Topaz package in December 2022, having purchased it at about half price the year before. It will be interesting to discover how good Adobe Denoise is in December this year versus Topaz, which will determine whether I renew my Topaz package again, or just Topaz sharpening - I've already concluded Adobe enhance is already pretty good vs Topaz Gigapixel.
Love your video on this. I want to use Noise AI in Photoshop then access it in ACR then close the raw file in PS so it saves as a TIF not a DNG. But there is no noise AI button in ACR when I open it from inside Photoshop. I called Adobe and the support tech didn't even know there was this new feature. I tried to open the dgn then save it but it will nto auto save as a tif. I do save as then I must laboriously find the folder I want to save it to. The DNG file is a pain.
What it’s in Photoshop?! Ahhhgh too bad for us iPhone photographers we can’t access this awesomeness
Sure you can. iPhone shoots raw.
nice review. amazing results, especially for a V1 while pure raw is at V3... any chance one day LRC doesn't create a huge extra DNG file and stores modifications in the catalog for previews..?
Nice but can we control this sharpness? It looks oversharpened and also adds too many lines that were not there originally.
You saw the only controls. I always want mine to look over sharpened at that zoom level. It means it will look great when zoomed out and if printing it always needs to have extra sharpening applied to it.
I shoot lots of panos and the new Lightroom AI Denoise won't let me denoise an HDR pano file. Single files no problem. Why is that?
I'm used to Adobe CC and don't want to switch or add programs but I routinely feel sour about paying for it. The standout is Lightroom - the updates they've been cranking out there in the past few years are awesome. Excited to try this out, great vid!
İ tried it 2 ways at the beginning of coloring and after completed the coloring , to be honest it definitely should have done at beginning because otherwise it ruins all the color !
being that this creates a new DNG File, when should it be done? First or last in your process?
Hi. The video covers the correct workflow. Thanks
As I get a new DNG File I can then delete my original RAW-File?
It does a pretty decent job! My main issue with it is CPU performance, since my GPU is too old to use the full hardware acceleration in Lightroom. It takes several minutes per photo running on my 12th gen Intel, compared to 30-45 seconds in Topaz. Also, it makes a stack with the original, but doesn't add it to the collection with the original like Topaz does.
Thanks Matt, Great comparison video much appreciated.
I hope this denoise to work on jpg files soon. Thanks Adobe anyway! 😀
Pretty awesome. I hope they do a sharpening update soon, too, that gives as good results as Topaz which currently blows LR away.
As a retired photographer the extra cost of a plug-in makes using the new Adobe denoise a no brainier.
Thanks for this great video and comparison. Your videos on the LR virtual summit were great. Will you update your wildlife editing book to include this new future? Also, is the noise reduction better in Photoshop than LR Classic?
exiting times, this already is a game changer as they say and things are only getting quicker and finer..
shit, why I've spent money on Topaz Photo AI ...
is their a way to apply this to more than one photo in Lightroom? also is there a way to delete the old file since it makes two separate files on Lightroom?
Yes….
1) Sync feature that’s always been there
2) yes… press delete
The title is misleading... Does not show how to do this in PhotoShop
Noise reduction in Lightroom is identical to noise reduction in Photoshop Camera Raw.