Campagnolo Out Of Tour De France | GCN Tech Show 319
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Alex and Ollie discuss what Campagnolo being missing from this year’s Tour de France for the first time in around 75 years means for the prestige Italian brand, plus we have new wheels, bikes, AND see which of your bikes made it into the bike vault! (edited)
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🤔 What do you think of Campagnolo not being in the WorldTour this year? ⚙
Shows how far SRAM has come doesn’t it?
Are you team Sram? @@wildsurfer12
Those top end Canyons you talk about would be the perfect fit in the peloton. So it's definetely Campy's own fault not to keep up with the demand
The new Campy looks like ass.
I had Simplex on my first Raleigh road bike. A later Raleigh I bought and restored had Huret components. Both worked fine.
My current Pinarello uses Shimano 12 speed Ultegra. Can't beat Shimano precision.
There's ONE single reason and you know what it is - MONEY. What groupsets would you use if you ran a pro team and nobody was writing fat chex? Shimano works, is readily available and you can probably buy/borrow whatever you need if your team's equipped with Shimano. If someone's writing fat chex....you use SRAM and ignore complaints from Bauke Mollema. Campagnolo chooses not to write any fat chex as it seems they don't see the value in WT race teams any more...at least at what it costs these daze. Bad move? Time will tell.
PS- it's Fausto COH-pee...not COPPY. Gino BART-a-lee, not BAR-tally.
I love the idea of Campag going back to remanufacturing older mechanical groupsets (i.e. C-Record Delta) using updated tolerances, bearings, materials, etc. So many beautiful steel/chrome framesets out there that could be restored...
That would be pretty special! 👌 What would your dream Campag build be?
@@gcntechI have it. Colnago Master in Saronni red, delta brakes, 10 speed indexed downtube shifters 👌
Same here… absolutely a Colnago. 🤤
Schwinn Varsity @@gcntech
Nuovo Record in Ti for my Eddy Merckx steel... or Campag Pista everything in Carbon for my Cinelli Vigorelli Shark
A small comfort, Campagnolo will be in the Giro d'Italia this year. VF-Group Bardiani-CSF have been given a wildcard.
The Giro should require all the teams to run Campagnolo. They could say, "Now, go on, git if you ain't runnin' Campagnolo!" 😀
Good to see them there! An Italian grand tour needs all the Italian brands
@@gcntech Says the Englishman riding a German frameset (sometimes Spanish) with Japanese groupsets and Yankee finishing kits hahahahaaaaaaaa
I would have loved to see a more in-depth "Campagnolo: The Inside Story". There are so many legacy companies that should have gotten the same documentary treatment we got for Canyon, Colnago, Trek, Orbea, Pinarello & Rapha. We're missing Campagnolo, Bianchi, SRAM, Park Tools, Silca, etc. It's a shame there's no more GCN+.
It would be incredible wouldn't it!
Campagnolo needs to address core philosophical questions like: Who are they and where do they see the future. Then they gotta reinvent themselves. Because being a boutique brand in a niche sport, that is relying on nostalgy will take them out of business in few decades maybe. Or they can join a list of companies with great heritage such as: Atari, Compaq, AOL, Kodak, Nokia, Toshiba, RadioShack, Blackberry...
Not to mention dozens of cycling brands that are also history now.
What direction would you like to see Campagnolo go? Would be a huge hit if they disappeared!
Atari isn't dead, they're alive and putting out great products, they're just aimed at retro gaming enthusiasts these days. Kodak isn't dead either, they're still a major producer of motion picture film.
@@gcntech Bring back the thumb button to egroups, make a cheaper Chorus electronic group, make a cheaper alloy version of Ekar, and make a silver alloy version of Chorus or bring back silver Centaur. Then partner with a Korean electronic company like LG or Samsung to improve their electronic groups and make them cheaper, and locate a Campagnolo warehouse in east Asia to make fast-response supply chain component deals with OEM bike makers. Maybe partner with a bike company race team to get back into the World Tour. It needs to happen. Maintain Campagnolo bearings and drivetrain metallurgical excellence and durability from European facories while drawing on Asian expertise with electronics to create a win/win combination like how they partnered with Germany’s Magura to get the best road disc brakes on the market.
I'm 74 year old functionally obsolete old person on a bicycle and I own a 2002 Colnago Master Light with a Campy 9 speed, a 2007 Independent Fabrication with a Campy Racing Triple 10 speed and a 2016 Surly Long Haul Trucker with a Campy 11 speed. My Campagnolo group sets will still be in service for many years down the road.
Stock up on replacement chains. They're becoming harder to find and will be even more so in the coming years. I thought my early 2000s 10sp chorus groupsets would last me a longer time but just realized how hard it is to find replacement cassettes, chains and small shifter parts for repairs
As a slightly younger [50yo] person on a much older 1990 Cannondale with Campy 7-speed Chorus, I second your remark-- the groupset is built to endure and look good doing so.
@@MrHeSeYein Switzerland no Problem to find cassettes and I am using kmc chains because I don’t want to buy the Campa tool
@@MrHeSeYe Agree. I've three Campy 9 speed chains and cassettes as they are difficult to find.
Huret was bought by the company that owned "Sachs" bicyclecomponents and merged to Sachs-Huret, which later was bought by SRAM.
still riding an 80's bike equipped with a Sachs-Huret. It still works great as a commuter road bike with regular maintenance.
I remember seeing their stuff in the early 90s on budget mountain bikes
And the chains Sedis-sport
“Hurette”? People, it’s pronounced “Huray”. Come on….
You’re complaining about the cost of cycling one week and now you’re suggesting that Campag come out with the groupset equivalent of a Singer 911? (Hint: no one south of a multi-millionaire is in the market for a Singer)..Who’s going to buy this Uber-groupset? Campag’s current strategy of producing electronic only in a high-end group set that only well-heeled gentleman cyclists will buy hasn’t really worked out. Wouldn’t a reasonably priced Chorus-level EPS groupset be a better idea?
Coming of age in the 1970’s, I always wanted Campagnolo on my bike, but simply couldn’t afford a high-end bike. Instead of a Schwinn Paramount, I ended up with a Le Tour that had Suntour derailleurs. Turns out that Suntour actually invented the parallelogram derailleur and the quality was excellent. I finally got a Campy equipped Colnago as a senior citizen and love it. Hopefully, Campagnolo doesn’t end up like Suntour, just a footnote in history.
Actually SunTour invented the *slant* parallelogram and yes, that Vx, Cyclone, and Superbe was light years better than any Campagnolo of the time. The *second* the patent expired, both Shitmano and Cramp&GoSLow had their own slants.
Suntour are still around, and their kit is pretty good in the space they compete in. You could if you wanted to spec almost your whole bike in suntour, bb, crank, derailleurs, shifters, cassette, etc.
It's their own fault really. First of all, the price of Super Record is stupid, and the new wireless has jumped the rails as far as looks are concerned. I do think the last 11 speed version was their last really good looking groupset. The Record/Super Record rear derailleur was a thing of beauty.
This could be one of the most historic title on a video of GCN ever.
Regarding Campagnolo, it really is as simple as this: In 2024, the most relevant product is an electronic groupset for bikes in the 4000 € range. And as of 2024, this really should be a wireless groupset.
Campagnolo does NOT have the product available, so what's then the point in being in Tour de France if you have no product to sell? And given Campagnolo's increasingly tiny market share, it really remains to be seen if they have the R&D muscle to pull this one off.
In road groupsets Campagnolo is really in the ropes right now, and this is coming from a long-time Campagnolo rider. Fulcrum wheels and maybe Ekar's surprising popularity can hopefully keep the company alive.
Are wireless derailleurs allowed on the TdF?
@@DR_1_1 Yes, SRAM for one
Bought campag chorus 12 speed mechanical rimbrake group mid 2023. It works brilliant, is classy, it was 4ather cheap - 950 euros. Love all that. But thats not why I bought it. I bought it coz non of the two dominating bother to supply this anymore. Lots of people still on frames that need rimbrakes and like 12 speed. They just doesn't bother. Been on Shimano for 30 years. They just dont bother. Campag do
But there is rimbrake Ultegra 12 speed Di2 for 1250 euros.
@@Gianniz27
There is now yes. But the price you mention is for an upgrade kit only. Back then it didn't seem like they would make it. So i was pissrd. But to be fair,you are right
I love Ollie's idea of vintage styling but modern manufacturing for a run of Campagnolo. That would be the cat's Meow & the Bee's knees! Great show boys. Especially because I got a super nice on my bike in the Bike Vault and it seems to have been very well received. I have sent in my bike cave for your approval as well. Thank you again, you made my week! Cheers - M
This is my fantasy as well. I run top tier 2x8 from that era and it is enough for a weekend warrior, but current equivalents are not even close to that level of quality yet materials have gone so far nowadays. The problem is the industry being run by marketing wizards instead of cyclists.
It would be super cool to see! Imagine how good a classic drive with modern capacity would be 😆
In the 70's a lot of young riders had Huret and Simplex changers on their first bikes. It was basic but it worked.
Some great gears! 🙌
I've ridden Campagnolo equipped bikes for 3 decades- and have no intention of switching. The loss is theirs.
If the Pro's aren't using it ... and mainstream aren't using it ... its days are numbered (which is sad, I've also had a lot of Campag equipped bikes, and I love it too) ..
What is it about campag that you love so much? 👀
Here is the difference between Campy fans and the rest: Cyclists with SRAM or Shimano will sell their old bike or switch out the gruppo when upgrading. A Campy fan will build/buy a whole new bike and keep the old one proudly displayed (next to others) in a basement or garage.
@@markg0410 yeah, we know what you mean. Campagnolo aficionados are very proud!
@@gcntech Because its Italian🇮🇹 craftsmanship, and not jap crap. That's like saying, I don't want a Ferrari car. I prefer a Honda 😂😂.
Campagnolo should have continued with a high end mechanical rim brake groupset in parallel their EPS hydraulic. Smaller market for sure but it could have been profitable at the right price point.
And also a great option for the "Retro-Modern" build, restoring an old frame, but wanting modern gear ratios and functionality.
This brought tears to my eye's. Met O.B. (now coach O.B. USA Cycling certified), In 1988 while riding (steep!) hills in N. Kentucky, across the river from Cincinnati Oh. Me, a relative newbie, just pedaling hard, trying to breathe correctly. Guy rides up next to me, tells me i'm doing some things wrong, and he can teach me how to ride better. One year later i'm doing USCF races. Because he taught me bike fit, hi vs. low heel, turning circles, not blocks, spinning at an easy pace the last few miles of a ride. etc, etc. I think I was hooked before O.B. but dude definitely helped to cement it. O.B. only rode Campy in those days, always extolling the history, reliability, and sheer beauty of Campy. Good guy. Thanks O.B. much love bro...🦵
BTW 62, still riding and I flipping love CX!
Hey Ollie! Don't mock Huret! They were a huge French brand that merged with Sachs in 1980 and then created the Ergoshifter which then was licensed to Campagnolo for manufacturing. Working on vintage bikes, one thing I LOVE about Huret is they can be left at the bottom of a Paris canal for 50 years and just need a little WD-40 and a new cable and they run perfectly well. Simple and elegant... though not always the prettiest.
Huret Eco was standard on many of the lower end 1980s Raleigh road bikes. I had a Raleigh Winner and it never gave me any problem.
@@snowbatsnowbat7197 What can I say? Kids these days... 😛
I had one .Remember when I did service and dismantled it there was tiny loose ballbearings at the pulleys .
Never bothered to put it back . To fiddly. Bought a Campy instead.
Week 47 of asking for a “The UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt
oops, we didn't see it last week, so we cancelled the order at the factory 🫨
Keep asking! One year anniversary is comming ! 🙂
GO! GO! GO! Don't give up!!
You people do know there are legal complications by selling shirts like that? “UCI” and it’s logo are branded.
hilarious bit bro! amazing use of your time! what a f49907 😂
Fantastic to see a Bike Polo bike in the Vike Vault! Any Cycle-ballers, artistic cyclists, show us your bikes! It's cool to see some different steeds in the Vault and it makes the segment even more interesting! Variety is the spice of life, after all.
Blimey chuffed to see the bike vault had a Puch bike! My first road bike or "racer" as we used to call them, was a Puch Mistral back in 1987! My dad tried to make it out it was related to Porche :)
Those puch bikes are classics 👌 We always appreciate an old school rig!
Thanks for showing it! That’s my father in-law’s old bike. I refurbished it and rode it for a while with the original shimano 600 arabesque groupset. After spending winter on Zwift, I was struggling to do the climbs with the old 6-speed so I stretched the frame, upgraded it to 9 speed with new wheels, a mix of tiagra, ultegra and sora gear - keeping it max performance for the money. Rides super nice and should see another 40yrs.
I’ve only ever ridden Campagnolo equipped bikes since ~1990. The first was 1st gen Chorus. Beautiful to look at but behind the times tech wise. Friction down tube levers and a freewheel rather than cassette. Then Croce D’Aune. Again beautiful but oh so crap. Now my winter bike has Veloce 10 speed from the early ‘paint it black’ era. Quite a few years old and still going strong. Shifting still spot on. Centaur carbon 10 speed on the summer bike. The last of the traditional looking group sets before massive mechs and cranks. I will keep this until it, or I fall to pieces.
Crouch E' Downy.....
Sounds like you've had some great bikes 👌 There is certainly something to be said for classic looking groupsets, would you like to see Campag bring out a classic looking product?
@@gcntechthe alloy and carbon / alloy groupsets Campagnolo produced from the late 80’s C Record era to the 2010’s were works of art. Not everything has to be performance oriented. Sometimes form wins over function. No one can deny a classic steel frame such as a Cinelli Supercorsa; metallic red with chrome rear triangle and forks kitted out with full Record is a thing of beauty ( my dream bike😀). If Campagnolo released an alloy midrange affordable group set then I would certainly be interested.
And rim brakes!!!! Naturally 😀
Campag could massively open up their appeal to the mass market by changing to use the same cassette spacing as Shimano and SRAM. This is literally the only reason that has prevented me from buying Campag in the past and for my next bike.
I use 11 speed Shimano wheels on my 11 speed Campag bikes without any issues
Yeah. 11 speed spacing is compatible across the 3 brands.
It's a shame, let's hope that Campa will be with us in coming years too. I've been riding with all three major brands, Shimano and Sram in winterbikes, but roadbike...always Campa. Nothing beats Campagnolos feeling and "sharpness".
We're sure it will be! It might be an opportunity for the brand to foucus on the everyday rider
love hearing the love for Singer.... happy to see my two worlds colliding here. :)
We've got your back!
I prefer the singer from Singer, Catherine Wheel is one of my favourite bands
A lot of the shops local to me provide a free bike fit with the purchase of a bike. It's one of the ways to justify buying a bike in a shop rather than online and it's still foreign to me when shops don't offer it. Like a loose test fit, a stroll around the parking lot, and you're good to go?
Campy's exclusive parts standard (cassette, inner cables and hubs,) and limited availability in Asian region or maybe outside of Europe really doesn't help their market share.
i always want a campy mechanical groupset, but difficulty to source parts and pricing of them just scare me away to the blue gaint.
Their newer stuff is no longer a proprietary. You can use a Shimano cassette on a new campy hub without it being Shimano specific.
I have a 2011 Bianchi Infinito with a Campagnolo Athena 11spd and it's the smoothest quietest grouset I've ever owned, absolutely love that bike and setup.
I'm on the same bike running a combo of chorus and record, and it's absolutely glorious. Ok, my more modern bike is on discs and SRAM etap, but there is just something about that old campy mechanical feel. Oh, and it weighs about 2kg less than my new bike too!
@christophereasterbrook1047 my new bike is a 2019 Domane with Ultegra D2, it nice but the Infinito is nicer.
@@stihldavebergen3469 I see them as very different bikes now. I’m using something similar to a Domane with 35mm tyres, which is absolutely more suited to the roads that I ride on in northern England. But, I don’t think I’ll ever get rid of the Infinito, even if I just use it as a dedicated turbo bike. Someone offered to buy it recently, but I couldn’t do it…
Sounds like a dreamy bike! We would love to see it 👉gcn.eu/techuploader
I'm currently building up a 90's Rossin in EL/OS with silver Athena 11 speed 👌
Never heard of Huret! (Silent 't'). My first road bike had Huret gears, used it for riding to school, touring, time trials & cyclo cross. Always worked well.
Ollie with the GCN halo logo behind him looks like a Jesus painting.
You're going to make Alex jealous!
@@elizabethpoley6882who ? ;-)
The patron saint of aero 😇
Oh, and I did race with a Huret Jubilee rear derailleur for several years in the early 80's. Super light,
Made out of drop forged steel, and lose ballbearings in the rollerboys. Heavy duty but light but not the fasciest. .
Old adage (maybe no longer true) Campag wears in, Shimano wears out! Have been riding Campag since the 19060s and still ride a Triple Racing that works absolutely fine. However, do think they have lost their way somewhat. Can recall early crank-set with 151 BCD, hence smallest ring was 44T!
Campag 1989 Super Record reborn group set. Yes please! Let's start an email campaign. We can dream...
Now you're talking!
SR was phased out by 1987. C-record was in.
My Colnago Master with handbuilt Mavic open S.U.P wheels still pumping along with a mix of mostly C-rec and SR. Keep a stockpile of 3/32 chains, pre-ramp and pins chainrings, and grease up those bearings and smile as you ride off the back on a group ride on 53x13 like I do at 49yo.
As an Italian consumer, Campagnolo is dead on the market.
They have very few options and are pricier than Shimano and SRAM.
I had a Campagnolo Chorus on an aluminium road bike from first 2000s, so last year when I build my gravel I specifically looked what offer they had and none was compatible with what I was looking for, a 2-by setup with bigger than road cogs
Thomas's Enforcer BD looks perfect for bike polo. Glad it got a supernice!
Should we do some bikepolo? 👀
Yes please! Feel free to visit us in the nice city of Bryan, or next year when we got a new court in neighboring College Station! @@gcntech
Thank you @crbondur 🤗
@@gcntech yes, you guys should try bike polo it's hella fun. Do a video on it!
A combination of interested factors, I think. Campagnolo sat on their laurels for a long time, while Shimano were gaining market share fast. Shimano are a far bigger company, with much greater financial power. Fewer and fewer off-the-peg bikes are fitted with Campagnolo components. Many young mechanics have never even seen Campagnolo parts. Campagnolo parts are not available in shops and are generally more expensive.
People, like me, who use Campagnolo do so mostly for sentimental reasons, perhaps because they first bike decades ago came fitted with the groupset. If Campagnolo stays out of WT racing, there will be even less exposure and young cyclists will see it as a museum piece, at best. I don't feel particularly sad about this. SRAM have demonstrated it is possible to make your way into a Shimano-dominated market. Campagnolo have tried, but they looked at the world from their ivory tower and failed to understand what has been going on. I don't think they have a strategy. Last year, with only one team left using Campagnolo, they claimed that it was quality, not quantity, that they ficussed on. Now?
Shimano was founded in 1921 in Osaka, Japan. Campagnolo was founded in 1933 in Vincenza, Italy.
And Shimano was pretty much NOTHING in the high-end bike world until the early 1970's when they basically knocked-off Campagnolo's Nuovo Record groupset. Can't beat 'em? Copy 'em! Sadly it seems Campagnolo is now doing the copying :-(
3 months ago my 2004 steel Longstaff bike was fitted with 12 speed Campag Chorus. Rim brakes, 48/32 chainset, 11/34 cassette. Works really well. My Shimano Dura ace, Ultegra and 105 equipped bikes also work well. The bike was originally built up with 10 speed triple Campag Centaur, too many overlaps on the gears and i stayed with Campag purely for the cachet. It functions as well as all my Shimano.
All modern parts tend to work pretty well now. Great to hear that you've got a bike with every groupset 🙌 Have you got a favourite?
Suntour. Mavic. Zeus. Gipiemme. I used to only have Campagnolo bikes. I went to Dura Ace after I crashed in Italy on a Campy equipped Kestrel in Bassano del Grappa in the early 2000's and the local shops had no campy parts but had shimano...and put my rear campy clicky record derailleur whole via taking parts off an old shimano rear derailleur. I asked them why and "in" Italy they said price of parts and function. Shifting and stopping were better - and as racers better mattered more than country to these folks. I was shocked. And slowly switched.
In keeping with the UCI's wacky rules, recognizing that reliability is an important element of the sport and serves the consumer, the UCI should pass a regulation that no more than 40% of the peloton can use a particular brand of groupset. This means that at least three groupsets will be used by the peloton. I have just been at the Volta Valencia and frankly the peloton might as well be using one bike throughout!
Shimano get it right, as you can see a Dura Ace groupset on a bike brand at the Tour and go out and buy a cheap Claris groupset that works well and looks similar. Campag has always been high range and slightly out of reach to your average cyclist. I hope they keep going though and get back with a few teams.
Would you like to see Campag making some more entry level groupsets
@@gcntech What I would hate to see is Campagnolo become financially pushed to selling their "name" to a company that tacks the storied name onto a cheap stamped parts groupset. That has equivocally happened to many "name" brands in recent years.
I love Campy stuff, but I think their stubborn persistence ( until recently) to not have gearing for “normal people”, wide range cassettes etc hurt them a lot.
Ollie or Alex, whoever the brunette is, has valuable opinion that, imho, deserve more recognition.
You're darn right Campy has that hand-made feel, though we all know they're mass produced.
This was not the only such occasion where he's not received due credit for insight and style.
The red head is cool too, but his hair is a little too tall, ya dig.
The interesting part about the claim that people have fallen out of love with mechanical group sets is that Super Record Wireless shifting is blitzing fast.
Never saw the need or use for electronic g/set's myself, kinda the emperours new clothes.Must be good if the pro's use it... nope.
When you develop arthritis, you'll do anything to make things easier for your fingers. Age will do that.nMust be good if it works for you. But I also have and love 12s Super Record mechanical.@@sandydennylives1392
It will all come down the riders style and presence. Some people love the reliability of mechanical shifting 👌
Indeed, and would rather use the money saved on new wheels or Hi Fi. Pro cycling is only a shop window and they'd all be using Campag if they outreached Shim in financial, er,assistance to the teams. Pog did his first tour victories on the golden elixer.
r. @@gcntech
I am 62 and hopefully die (naturally) on my bike... I"ll go wireless when the arthritis in my hands makes it to difficult to shift. Until then i'm staying with mechanical. It works, and its easy to do my own maintenance and repairs.
That's crazy... Campy was the eye catcher back in the day... totally forgot about that group set now honestly.
I just came back from riding my 5 year old aluminum bike with 3 year old Campagnolo Record and Super Record mechanical group set and it is AMAZING. It makes me grin like an idiot as I shift. It is exactly what I want when I get on my bike…FUN.
Old guy here. First real bike was a Melton (Mike Melton of Olympic "funnybike" fame) sporting 1981 Nuovo Record (but with SunTour chainrings to mimic that Super Record look). I was perusing that amazing bicycle picture book "Japanese Steel" and hold by the belief that bikes have gotten better, but uglier. Classic Campy was all about the beauty, atmo. Those days are gone... and sadly so may be Tullio's legacy. Like many have noted, I got into cycling as much as for the equipment as the activity itself. I loved building wheels and doing pretty much all the maintenance myself. Bikes and modern gruppos are now intractable to anyone who doesn't have a shop-array of equipment and substantial brand-idiosyncratic technical knowledge. I do so miss the good old days.
Campag needs to offer a silver groupset and offer some style and class again ... as soon as groupsets went black, Campag started to die
Interesting! There is certainly a gap in the market for some classic looking groupsets 👌
Make up your mind - do you want class or style? Black groupsets are classy, silver groupsets are stylish. You can't have both
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Assuming I believe that, I'll say.... stylish. The old Mavic starfish crank, the Campy C99 cranks, the old Superbe Pro... mmmm... Black may work with big chunky tubes, but silver and smaller tubes look fab.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 classy can be any color. Pure white or red too. Just look into the formal suits and ball dresses vs casual and coctail. Difference between class and style is in the details and palette, not basic colour or cut.
Subjective ... subjectively I have to disagree - black groupsets are neither classy or stylish .. they might be trendy, and menacing, and 'the in style' .. but (to me) not stylish @@dainiusvysniauskas2049
Ollie had a great idea ( timecode 11:39 ) about Campag restomodding groupsets ( old aesthetic, modern gear numbers and tolerances ). Campag always suffered from non-retro-fiendly drivetrains ( nine speed this year don't work with last year, 10 don't work with 9, PARTIALLY concentric bolt circle diameters ). This was NEARLY the deathnell of Shimano until they saw Trek speccing Microshift drivetrains, pulled their socks up FAST and quickly introduced the 9/10/11 Cues system.
Can you please share the link to the TT video Alex vs Ollie, I cannot find it. Thanks
I wish modernized mechanical group sets which were available in the 80's and early 90's, from both Campagnolo and Shimano, wer.e still offered at reasonable prices. I gave my Raleigh Team 753, made in 1989, to my grandson. It was outfitted with Shimano Dura Ace, which still works flawlessly with its down tube shifters and rim brakes. That bike is the same age as my grandson, and he absolutely loves riding the thing. If such high quality mechanical group sets were still offered, and with some modern tweaks, they'd be a hit among young and old.
Thing is, those groups were so well built that you can still easily find them used in good condition for much less than it'd cost to manufacture + ship + market + profit.
🤔 How has Campy gotten themselves into such a poor state of branding? ⚙️
Shim has 2 billion in the bank, Campy only 150 million, so it's more money for the team's to run Shim, that's how.
I’m a big Shimano fan, however I do own a pair of Campag Zonda C17 wheels and they are epic 😎 sad about them not being in the tour. Let’s hope they come back, I’m sure they will… 🤞🤞🤞
We're sure they will too! They make some great components 🙌
Best looking brake ever was a Campag Delta but it was rubbish in stopping and adjusting. Being old I am of an era when it wasn't a proper racing bike unless equipped with Campag. This was later followed when I brought my first motorbike and everyone said it must be British and not Japanese. It took me years to realise that the latter of the two was faster and more reliable. Great show lads.
Delta looked absolutely horrendous.
Bigotry has always been wrong.
Wrong... I rode Deltas for 20 years in a big city and when they are set up properly, Deltas stop as good as any of the other brakes of its era.
Love it when Ollie is patronising to Cuthbert
For bike lovers ❤ nice tech explanation
hey! While I'm listenning to you talking about Campag, I'm thinking about Ciocc. another big piece of history silently disapearing from the stagelights... sad. Nice job guys! Romain
ah yes! Ciöcc, they still exist (even make Ebikes!). They were pretty rare in the UK back in the 90's, but a thing of beauty!
My road bike is a cinelli Nemotig , rim breaks with a campy chorus group set. The bike rides and handles like a dream with the comfort of steel. Even though it’s mechanical shifting , it is still quick and efficient. I hope Campy makes it back to professional cycling.
Thanks for the Supernice on the Enforcer! TBH the non drive train side might be a bit better even as it shows the custom rotor guard.
I bow to your superior knowledge John & am pleased to read it.I guess it's just like cantilever brakes its how they are set up
I have a fantasy of riding a bike with Campagnolo mechanical groupset and wheelset. Still, I won’t be surprised even if they never come back to Tour de France.
That's a sick polo bike! You guys should do a video on bike polo.
I think the neutral service being provided by Shimano has skewed the overall race situation. The lack of compatibility between groupsets also causes an issue, you are on Campag and need a wheel… oops sorry don’t have one with that cassette on… although Shimano are throwing money as everything going to run away from the exploding cranksets. Campagnolo will be back
1989 Record tolerances were very precise, probably better than much of todays kit. That's what was great about campagnolo back in the day, the superior metallurgy and machining.
Campagnolo are doing just fine. They're a privately owned family company who are very much in the black financially and they have no shareholders to satisfy - unlike SRAM and the fishing tackle company. It was Campagnolo's CHOICE not to sponsor a WT team. They stated that last year. Ekar is still selling truck loads, as are their wheels (and Fulcrum wheels).
Yeah, just like it was Toto's choice not to re-sign Lewis.
But is this business model sustainable? Who are its typical customers and are sales likely to continue to keep it profitable for years to come, or is it increasingly a niche company selling to a niche market with shrinking market share and sales, like a major music label only selling vinyl records or a car maker still pushing manual transmissions (which I have btw)?
Can't it do both, classic/legacy AND modern/innovative?
Typical cope comment from a crapagnolo meat rider.
Which business would wilfully turn away potential business because "they're doing just fine"? The answer is none.
@@johnz6877Lewis isn't gonna beat Max. I wouldn't sign him either.
@@lincolnlu9869Don't hold your breath on that interview for team principal.
And they just released their new gravel bike!😮
Still got the Campag budget 980 downshifter gears in a box in my shed but too old and poor and no space to build up a classic bike and store it. Also got Simplex rear mech that replaced the 980 rear mech when I crashed and bent the hanger so it could take screw in - a great mech - could smash through London faster than tube from Earls Court to East Ham, faster even than motorbikes - with Suntour Ultra6 freewheel and whacking the downshift lever - faster changes than index systems
Had Campy on my first road bike, a Fuji triple...smoothest shifting ever. Hoping they have a rebirth...
They’ve got something up their sleeves 😉
Saw Lachlan out on my local cycling path a few days ago
My Passoni Top Evolution is fitted with Campag Super Record Mechanical wouldn't change to another groupset or the heritage , Caio
i started racing in '79. Campagnolo was not within reach for a self-funded 12 year old. But wow, their stuff was delicious. We'd build arc-en-ciel rims on Normandy hubs and then compare the bearings to the Campagnolo owned by the Cat 1 riders. Oh. MY. GOD. IT was the BEARINGS that made Campagnolo. MY first campagnolo part was a late 60s / early 70s seatpost (27,2 o course). it was that infinitely adjustable system they had--not those annoying groove things everyone else had. You did need a small bent spanner to get it sorted unless you were running a Brooks.
I think Campagnolo lost its mojo frankly. They were better and sooner than Shitmano for a long time. But no more I guess.
Biggest issue I see is that they're pricing themselves out which is probably why they're on less bikes. Everything below chorus is heavy while still being pricey. Why do I want Athena or Centaur when 105 or Rival are cheaper and slightly lighter. When I built up my oldest kid's road bike I went Rival AXS, 1200 for a 2x12 groupset out the door at the LBS. Easy for her to shift and stop with. When it was passed down this winter and she stepped up her game it was 1500 at the LBS for a Force AXS groupset. Cheapest Campy is still another 300+ for Chorus and if you want wireless you're clearing 4k. My cross bike might be running 12sp chorus but the kids are growing up riding sram and loving the ease of use. Campy comes out with an $1800 wireless groupset I'd splurge on it if it was comparable in weight, otherwise they're not really something to look at.
Did Campag price/exclusive themselves out of existence? Perhaps frame brands should take note!
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WOW - you guys work quick - was talking Campag under the Colnago video ... sad sad news
We're are so quick because Ollie has forced us into the wind tunnel! 💨
I got 3 pieces of Campagnolo (less than 10 years old): 2 brakes and one expensive bottleopener (wine). ALL 3 are defect after a short time: the springs of both brakes are broken (about 1 year apart), the chrome plating of the opener is peeling off. So all 3 pieces Campagnolo are bad quality. NEVER again Campagnolo! All my other bikeparts (racebike/mountainbike) since decades don't have issues (Sram, Suntour, Shimano, etc.). Probably in the past they made good products, but now they just seem to sit on their history.
I've got a Huret Derailleur on my old 80s Raleigh Criterium 12. However, even then, many of the other components that would be termed part of the groupset are Shimano.
One of the things I've noticed is that a lot of tools and parts are (at least partly) cross compatible with Shimano and SRAM, but not with Campag. Even simple things like them using hollow chain pins which need a special tool.
Do you remember the Sachs New Success "ergopower" levers?
Huret Jubilee may be the lightest derailleurs ever made. I rode them for years and loved them. What killed many of these brands was the groupset movement. They really only made derailleurs, and maybe brakes, but not cranks, headsets, pedals and such.
Huret Jubillie derailleur is one of the coolest friction derailleur ever made!
Red Bull is incorporated in Austria, but owned by Austrian and Thai founders. Mateschitz bought a drink from Yoovidhya in Thailand in the 1970s, and the rest is history.
Yes but that makes them an Austrian company, doesnt it? I would say so. They are headquaters in the Salzburg countryside. And they have quite some influence in Austria, unfortunately, as they are quite horrible (Mateschitz was extremely right winged, as shows in his media and influence).
@@arnoldhau1 didn't say they weren't. Just giving a bit of the rather interesting story.
Campagnolo has one electronic groupset which is the top of line. Imagine if SRAM didn't have Force AXS and Rival AXS or Shimano didn't have Ultegra Di2 or 105 Di2. Campagnolo should have come out with an electronic groupset of Chorus to make it current so they ruined themselves.
Just for the record, Shimano is an older bike company than Campagnolo, by 12 years. I have Campag on my Colnago and Shimano on the Pinarello, Bianchi...love them all.
Loved the Veloce groupset on my first "real" (Columbus tubed) roadie. It was a sad day when I sold it to buy my son a new guitar, well sad for me, happy for he.
When I was looking at group sets for my gravel bike build, I looked at Campagnolo but it was around 30% more than the equivalent Shimano. Also it had the little trigger on the inside of the brake hood, which I don't like, so all around no from me. In relation to not appearing in the tours, I thing "Brand Recognition" means little to us plebs and is only a way of keeping the advertising dept in a job.
When I was growing up, Campagnolo or nothing. My SL tubing bespoke bike is so equipped. The only sticker on the bike is a small gold Campagnolo decal. Only wear Italian shoes and bibs as well. For many obvious reasons.
Ollie, Alex, I currently run shimano 105 rc7000 hydraulic disc groupset, and I’m looking to upgrade to Di2. Is it necessary to upgrade the discs and calipers with the 105 groupset? Also, would the 105 Di2 hardware/software allow me to maintain my current 2x11 spd gearing, or must I up grade to 12spd as the groupset calls for?!
Cheers!
Campag went through a lull from 1987 to 1994 mainly because they were slow (reluctant) to go away from down-tube levers when shimano had went sti.
The purpose for Campy being in the World Tour is for younger riders to learn about them and want their stuff, even if they can’t afford it right now.
Honestly mech 105 it’s that much cheaper than Chorus. You can still get all the parts to rebuild Campy stuff, if it ever fails 20 years from now.
Shimano has the market penetration. There are big box retailers carrying bikes with Shimano Claris/Acera/Alivio on sub $400 bikes. The goal is to sell volume. Campi does not have the luxury of being a luxury brand anymore.
Are front derailleur speed specific and how so? Love the channel ✌️
My 2 cents:
In the early 90s, there was Campagnolo available in most bike shops. They even introduced two low-end group sets. Before that, there was the glorious Campy small spare parts cabinet (have seem some of these in NYC in ‘94) which was the real business card of a reputable LBS.
By 2000, they were getting increasingly difficult to source. Only one or two bike shops carried them and they were also harder to buy online. Of course, price increased (their third tier group set was costing almost a Dura-Ace).
FF to the last 10 years and everybody is riding Shimano, even traditional Campy riders. Reason? They are AVAILABLE. Readily. Fast. Easy.
Ask any shop owner how difficult is to source a Campy and the answer is pretty straight.
The Campy business model is a dying recipe.
Dubious designs, poor electronics, bla-bla etc is just side effects of the Campy dwindling. Ask riders if they could actually choose a Campy and the answer is yes. However, to wait months, pay extra just to be different (in most cases for worse) and you get in reality realm. campy might change their 80 years old mindset and business model and made it widely available or they may just march to their tombstone.
Love your show was just wondering is there any chance you could do a video on go fast hybrid bikes cheers guys
To me, Campagnolo are a little niche. And like you said it's a FEELING. Like Alfa Romeo, etc..
Ollie drives an Alfa Romeo!
@@gcntechit's a good thing he's a cyclist, at least he's got a reliable form of transportation
Like a FIAT dressed in drag...JK I love the old Alfa 164's but the 1990s are not coming back...@@gcntech
How do you not know of Huret or Sachs-Huret derailleurs? They were very common on lower end bikes in the 1970s and 1980s. I had a 1987 city bike with a Sachs-Huret friction shifter/derailleur. It wasn't very good, and it broke around the year 1995. I replaced it with, ironically, a Shimano SIS derailleur, which worked spectacularly well with a friction shifter.
How does Alex ever manage to stay upright on a bike without a working vertebrate?
Alex - "I'm not digging it" - One "Why Not" from Ollie and its a Super Nice!
Alex - "I've got to be honest - the bikes not doing it for me" - Ollie - "I really like it" - Alex - "Super Nice!"
Im a campag fan since age 14 when i had my 1st road bike Raleigh sprint black and gold campagnolo, today i run mechanical record which i love, it never flusters or faulters smooth and do crisp i cannot e the only one
This is a direct result of the big two have not one issue sending jobs to the far east. Campy is still manufacturing in Europe. The others play pattent lawsuit games and race to the cheapest labor game not campy. I love my ekar the quality is amazing compared to grx.
Bought wheels with Campy Nuovo Record hubs back in 1985. Loose ball bearings . Fastest and long livety hubs .
Live fr ever .
Great conversation point GCN. Although it's sad campagnolo will not appear in this years tour de france I do see this as a positive for the consumers. I mean this with the greatest respect for the brand. This will potentially open up the market for the cycling community to purchase there products and hopeful it will be much cheaper and better value for the consumers with compared to sram and shimano. Campagnolo has a rich history as we all know and have been a big part of the sport, a main pioneer. I can comfortably say that if campagnolo reduces their prices dramatically, I would purchase their products without hesitation. Best wishes to the Campagnolo brand, I'm sure you'll bounce back and I'd like them to use the cycling community to do this and eventually see the brand back in elite competition. Thanks for sharing GCN.
Campagnolo will always be the KING, the Rolls Royce of bike groupsets and parts. I love the idea that NOT everyone can have what I have on my bike !!!!