I got my Ampero II yesterday, and I can't stop appreciating how big of an improvement it is over previous Hotone Ampero. The ease of use alone makes you lose track of time playing around with sounds it delivers.
Wow! Congrats on being the first person I've seen demo the DSP limitations. Such an obviously important thing to show. I'd re-subscribe if I could, cheers!
I've got an HX Stomp. I thought the Ampero sounded way better. To get a good sound out of the stock Cabs on the HX, I usually change the Mic selection. That makes a big difference. Ampero has done a good job getting usable sounds without much tweaking.
yeah I was looking at getting a HX stomp xl and then heard about ampero and was like oh so I can save like 40% of my money, get better tones and more functionality sounds good to me.
@@alvarg For what it's worth, I recently discovered that matching the the HX Stomp Cab "High Cut frequency" to the real Speaker makes dialing in a good tone a lot easier.
I bought the Ampero. As a bass player, it will be more than plenty. I've already loaded up dual path, biamped rigs. As long as I stay away from dsp heavy stuff, I don't run out. Word is that they are already crunching numbers to get more options in terms of all 12 blocks with fewer limitations. I agree about the pitch stuff. My PodGo sounds better for that. Hopefully, Hotone will address that as well. Overall, it's a solid product, and should do very well for them.
I agree. It's young, I'm sure it will have some major improvements via firmware updates, that seems to be the way the market works for these things now... get the hardware out there, and then update it to it's full potential rather than developing it in house for another year or so.
@@TaylorDanley yep. All industries are following that age old model but on a much better scale of " out of the box product". Started with Windows, bad OS for years, constant updates, then Apple iPhone, then Android How does this unit compare to the GE 300? Which has dual Sharc processors. So presumably less dsp limitations?
I'm suggesting this unit for my bass player. Could you tell me more about your experience after some months? I'm a guitarist and i'm considering one for myself as well, but i want to know your thoughts bass player-wise. Thanks!
I already have a drop tune pedal that I can use til the pitch shifting improves, considering how good the amps sound, I won't be surprised if they figure out how to improve the pitch shift function.
@@alexandreavelar9696after some months, I still haven't used it live. It's not usable for my needs. The pitch effects are useless. I've been using my Pod Go for bass. I don't run a parallel clean/dirty thing, so the PG is fine. I had hoped the Ampero II was going to do what I needed, while being smaller, have midi, but nope.
Kinda liked the sound from Ampero a bit more. And I didn't put 2 and 2 together at Dantes last Thursday. I'm the bassist for Chronic Illness. Been subbed for a while now. Haha. Awesome show, hope to do another with you guys.
the hxstomp has some tricks to run 2 guitar rig, first is trying to using only the preamp block with ir block, its easy on dsp. Other tip is trying to use legacy pedals and line 6 amps. With this tips you can run 2 rigs with reverbs or delays
Ampero 2 stomp ftw. There were times where I felt the HX stomp would cut through the mix more, but the ampero 2 just has the better fidelity. At the price, I feel ampero's value is stronger. I think I've seen some HX stomp's go for 300ish on reverb, and that isn't so bad for what you get (granted one may have to throw down on more software for it? Idk I don't own one). My perspective is from someone who owns neither but if I took the dive, it would be for the Ampero 2.
@@AmericanMe that sucks, I could of sworn I seen a few around $375. They must've went quick (and this was like, a week or two ago). Cause I was considering one myself, for what I would be doing with it, I felt like it wasn't a bad deal. But wouldn't one need the "helix native" software? Which I heard was $99? If so, it's definitely worth mentioning. Whereas Ampero stuff, one doesn't have a worry about that aspect?
@@jeyrizzy6780 Helix Native is a standalone plugin that has identical processing to the hardware units. You don't need it; it's mainly just a convenience for recording and re-amping in a DAW, but you can also do that with just the Stomp.
One of my favourite home made presets on the line 6 HX Stomp is a Marshall Plexi bright with the Tweed Blues BRT amp cab combinations your signal going in splits half to one amd half to the other and that’s literally the end of the story as far as DSP goes I built that rig when I first got it a year ago and with the Marshall as my starting point of a two different style amps in a mono rig and with the Tweed added and the EQ to taste it’s like AC/DC in a box with balls but nowhere near a metal tone I was using the combo blocks in the beginning and I still love the way that those two amps with their respective cabs blend together sadly that was just shy of the DSP limit with no real effects that I was looking for to add available like a vibe or reverb or chorus there were a few eq and such but not what I was looking for…. A few months later I got the Powercab 112 for Christmas and although it doesn’t have the IR loader that the plus version does but it’s still got the speaker modelling and so with that I rebuilt the same rig without the speaker cab built into the blocks set the eq on both the same added a phaser because I just wanted something different amd that tone is so brown without being an evh ripoff I thought it would be awesome for VH riffs with phase effect and it’s not something I normally use so from there I started experimenting with different stock IRs along with different speaker sims from the powercab I learned that splitting the signal to two different amps and back together immediately to be sent through phasing and then an IR sounded very different from the parent tone however it’s a really good tone on it’s own and I’ll admit that my big issue is not blending two different IRs together like what’s happening with the original one sadly I didn’t know that part of it at the time and I haven’t had the time to really sit down and experiment / download anything aside from what came with update 3.10 and I think I could do a better matching job with some sort of aftermarket IR with less DSP than I could with the stock cabs the other thing I plan on doing once I have the extra time is to invest in an IR loader pedal to go between the HX Stomp and the Powercab 112 and basically get Powercab + functionality and lower DSP presets with more room for effects ….. sorry for the long winded comment I just got the a little past the 7 min. Mark amd that popped in my mind … I thought mabie someone could gain something from my experience keep in mind that when all this was done I had been playing guitar for just shy of 20 years and had exclusively played my Marshall JCM2000 TSL 60 half stack with a OD as a boost built in reverb a Dunlop UV-1 UniVibe reissue and a basic 95 model crybaby for over 15 years and completely satisfied with my tones between sparkling edge of breakup with a heavy touch blues tone all the way through squeezing pinched harmonics and thumping palm muted galloping rhythms and it was only the need to move my rig around by myself after a spinal injury that lead me to the digital solution…. I switched over because I had an crippling accident that’s left me disabled and live in a rural Canadian province and had to make sure I could carry my gear without help and without hurting myself and of wanting to practice when my children are sleeping now that I’ve grown up and I haven’t actually plugged into my Marshall in over a year because I have fallen in love with the 5 or so presets along with the Beano for humbuckers free preset from the 5 watt world #ThankYouKiethWilliams that I have and I haven’t even downloaded any 3rd party IRs or aside from that one preset from the video that helped make my decision to get the stomp it’s all stock from updates and my own tone chasing I love the sounds I’ve built with it and since then I got a guitar with single coil pickups for the first time since I was beginning and I still see no reason to think that I’m missing out on anything other than wanting a little more DSP available to finish that one presetbive been working on …. Hope this helps someone peace and love from Nova Scotia Canada Eh
I was hating my HX Stomp until I started using IRs, then it lit right up. IMO the stock cabs are straight doggy doo and I wish them upon nobody! awesome to see a small brand compete rather well with the helix though!
watching this two years later. looking at down sizing to one of these from my 800. still have the same opinion? also looking at what to power it with, pedal wise
Taylor, I watched all your reviews on these budget amp modelers. What is your hands down preferrence for recording and live gig? Does the MX5 or GE250 or POD GO or MG30 stand out? Thank you for all your hardwork sir!
Thanks! My preference for live is the AxeFx 3 lol. I run 2 guitars and a bass through it, so having all that processing power in my rack somewhere out of the way is a huge deal for me. When I record, I use plugins out of convenience. I'm going to make a video on this subject soon because I do get this question quite a bit, and I want to give a really thoughtful response, but to sum it up... I rarely get to play guitar for fun, and when I do it's usually axefx or some plugin.
@@TaylorDanley thanks for showing this dsp test. To me this is the most relevant test . I had this dsp limitation with my Fender mustang gtx 50 amp . I got frustrated with options on that amp being greyed out so I returned it. It's like some computers or cell phones advertising 20 gigs of RAM but the software is incapable of using it. I suppose the real test would be to look at the neural dsp quad cortex to see when it reaches its limits ( even though it is COMPLETELY in a different market $$$) , it could confirm that Amperos 3 processer dsp is just advertising over function.
@@allboutthemojo The thing is that modeler vendors now start to use marketing methods that was quite common on PC or phone market: Counting "DSP cores" as if this would be a sensible metric for power. On one side: It isn't clear defined what a "DSP core" is. In the case of Headrush MX5 it is a 6 year old ARM SoC (think "iphone 6") with 4 cores. Those cores are not special "DSPs" but generic CPU cores. Since generic CPUs now have certain features to use them for signal processing were one would use dedicated DSP chips this kinda works. The Ampero uses SHARC which is a completely different architecture. 3 SHARC dsps could be more powerful than a 4 core ARM SoC... or not. Why? Because the hardware is only part of the story. All those units use different modeling algorithms. I tested the MX5 and was very unimpressed with its modeling of just an Amp and a Cab. The fact that you can easily throw in multiple Amps is an indication that the Amp modeling of the MX5 is quite simple compared to other current units. This also makes comparisons like in this video... a bit questionable... just stuffing the chains until it doesn't work anymore doesn't say anything about the quality of the algorithms used in each effect or amp model. This exercise makes more sense in what you could build as chains with each unit of course or how quickly you can reach its limits. Other devices like the MG-30 have a different approach there: There each block has a dedicated effect style and you can change the effect style to another on some blocks. So not any block can take any effect. On the other side - you cannot run out of DSP using it - regardless on what pedal, amps and cabs you choose. So its limited - but in a different way.
@@aptfx yes. True. The sharc chips are supposed to be better. I just think that maybe the neural dsp quad chip will be a better application simply because they are in the modeling business at a professional level. Their captures , application and utilization of processing power should be a lot better. Even though they are in a league way above the ampero, just comparing based on " processing power advertised.
@@allboutthemojo The dsp power itself is only part of the story. If the algorithms are implemented inefficiently even a more powerful DSP can be more limited. The quad cortex also is a profiler which means its fundamentally different to white box modeling like Fractal does. With profiling the computationally intensive part is the profiling, while the actual _use_ while playing isn't really expensive. White box modeling is expensive because simulation of circuits in real time is algorithmically expensive
I have owned both and both have their things going for them...sound wise i would go for the Ampero...but Ampero has some fizz on the bass strings... FM3 FOR THE WIN
If honestly, I find sound of stomp II very close to real amps (judging by other videos with direct comparison with real amps), but still i do not like high gain sound (at least in this video), it is dynamic, fast, massive, just like in real amp, but the sound itself is not satisfying for me. May be it is due to my "dark sound" preferences with cutted mids.
Hey! As you mentioned around 4:37 the issue with the mic. I just realized when the audio was fine again, you sound exactly the same, facing the modellers, as when you look at the camera! What kind of micing is this? :P
Once again, great content! Leaning towards the ampero even though it's the same price as the HX stomp. Also it's preorder only in UK and due mid December.
Give it a few month and some firmware updates. I can remember how weird the dsp and bugs were when the helix was initially released. (the helix stuff is pretty old [+6 years?] and refined now)
@@TaylorDanley I like the Ampero over the headrush and cheaper than the line 6. I just wanted something I can just plug in and play and record with. Live I would choose my blackstar Ht 40 mkll anyway.
Hi Taylor! I luv your vids! :) Can you please do Ampero vs Ampero 2 Stomp? Just to hear if there was significant tone improvements. I bet you wil have a lot of views! :) Thanks
@@TaylorDanley Thanks! :) I bought the Ampero, it's my live and studio choice, and it was because of your vids! Eheh Thanks again and keep'em coming! :))
They sound good..the line 6 layout doesn't seem as good..is there any way to add memory to them..sim card?Demo the Atradies..curious what you would do with it..not metal enough tho..I love mine..unlimited craziness
I don't think so, I think the best anyone can hope for is better utilization of the memory through firmware updates. I've never heard of an Atradies, what is it?
One thing I wanted to ask is the top end is always where I have noticed differences between other modelers and the Helix/HX stuff. Is it the same here because the ampero sounds more compressed and like my ears haven’t “popped” if that makes sense?
Why not chain the two for less DSP load! I'm getting an Ampero and putting on my board going to dedicate it to amp & cabs and just utilize the HX Stomps AI and FX ONLY!
Gotta say line 6 still holds up well to something brand new. The only difference is ease of use the helix takes a bit longer to set up but once you got it your set. Big time line 6 user since 2005.
Is the Ampero simpler to use than the HX Stomp? That’s my problem with my HX Stomp, I’m a super simple guy and I hate how much tweaking I have to do to get something pleasing to play to..
A good review, it is clear that the manufacturer saves on processor power. But no matter how you turn it, Line6 has better effects, don’t say what, it’s just that the Chinese don’t know how to do pitch correctors and harmonizers. Why don't processors on 128 GB SD still write loops or just tracks, why don't they make a microphone input? When will there be universal devices to write everything in one device. And yes, Taylor, a measly 0.5% of the world's population listens to metal, so the effects of overdrive are not always appropriate. But spatial processing and a multifunctional and compact device would be handy, the song was sung and played lying on the couch, and then mixed in the studio, it's easier. THANK YOU for the comparison!
Well in terms of my rhythm tone, I'm pretty simple. I just like an OD, amp and cab... and yes, both can do that without issue. Actually in terms of single signal chains, both are more than capable for me personally, even with more effects heavy lead type tones and pitch shifting.
I never know how to answer this question because I honestly don’t notice a difference between digital and analog gear. “Feel” is just as subjective as good tone IMO
I haven’t tried the ampero but I have owned a ge 250 and an hx stomp. I still have the hx stomp. I never liked the tones I got out of the mooer. I will say the stomp does need some IRs to really sound great though.
With the custom IR I like the way the HX Stomp sounds. Without it I feel like the Ampero 2 sounds better but isn't something that can't be tweaked on HX Stomp. I'd probably go with the HX Stomp overall especially for the community, a lot more popular so more support.
Is there a gap when switching between patches? I'd like to look at this as a way of replacing the Mooer Pre-Amp Live on my pedalboard to generate amp tone and save a bit more space but I'm running patch switching from a Boss MS-3 via midi and I'm wondering if I'll hit a gap between patches (which was an issue when using an HX-Stomp. The Helix stuff is sounding a little outdated now though. Great when launched but it feels like there are better units out there now.
If you want to run the ampero or hx or any modeling unit with a can you need a powered cab or like a Seymour Duncan power stage right? And then you could run it through a cab like an amp couldn’t you, can someone tell me if I’m right or not
Ampero sounds better. Maybe just the IRs, but it sounds more present or up front and hx sounds like it's sitting in the background on the other side of the room
To be fair, I think most of these smaller units have comparable DSP limits… aside from the mx5, which might be using black magic or other demonic witch craft. I can’t be certain, I didn’t read the manual
You could, but you'll run out of DSP for other effects. At most, probably just add a simple plate reverb with an EQ block/regular boost. Weirdly, custom IRs takes lesser dsp
I'm owning the ampero 2 stomp for around 5 days now and the sound is a lot better, more defined/natural with the built in Ir's, compared to the pod go and ge 300(using tone captures) . (if you live inside Europe, i'm selling my ge300 with 21 month warranty remaining!) As you have seen for yourself, the can be done a lot to the firmware to further increase the algorithms/dsp in the future and for 500€ it's just a beast. Yes the mx5 does dual stuff too, but it simply sounds a bit weird. (digital, non natural dynamics, a bit cheap/plasticy?) I haven't played a helix unit with the newest firmware, so i don't know how much better it sounds noe compared to 2 years ago, but the helix is definitely at the end of it's live and until other companies are starting to built new, very good sounding modellers out of the box, the ampero 2 will be it's own league in it's price range.
The Ampero Stomp 2 has the capture feature in it or still just Mooer and Neural DSP that can do it? Thanks PS: I kinda preferred the stock IR in Ampero than the external IR ...
I hope to see Line 6 releasing an HX Stomp II with more footswitches and a touch screen in the near future, even though this is gonna increase the price.
I would love a new stomp (the xl was not what I was expecting it to be unfortunately) but, I really just don’t like the touch screen idea over here. I usually throw my gear in a backpack and the small built like a tank screen is all I personally need in my stomp as I pc edit mostly due to how quick it is anyway.
More dsp is more important for newer model, rest is ok and done by regular updates. Only factor that keeps me away from buying stomp is its extremely limited dsp
HX Stomp stock cabs sound like crap compared to the Ampero 2 however when switching to IRs I couldn't tell a difference, so buy what you get for less money. Have a feeling that the HX Stomp price is going to go down soon
someone should make an iphone stomp. just slide your iphone in, pop open the app. the dsp of apple chips is so much better than the crappy sharc chips or whatever they use in these things plus the gui and touch screen so much better. the power to eliminate dsp limits and aliasing is here, someone just has to make it. run the app in 192khz with 2x oversampling and voila. digital fizz be gone.
Большинство гитаристов вряд ли будут заморачиваться и выстраивать какие-то длинные да еще и параллельные цепочки. Люди до сих пор ждут *нормальной эмуляции* звучания аналогового усилителя. И если простая цепочка педаль-усилитель-кабинет - не звучит даже близко к аналогу (а на HX Stomp, например, так и есть) - все дальнейшие изыскания считаю сразу излишними. Забыли и выкинули.
I got my Ampero II yesterday, and I can't stop appreciating how big of an improvement it is over previous Hotone Ampero. The ease of use alone makes you lose track of time playing around with sounds it delivers.
@@ZOMBIELANDakaUSA mine has 1.0.1 from the shop. what's the problem with dsp? I haven't noticed anything yet
@@MrShadow9602 update it to 1.0.2 and above. There's some slight improvement in DSP optimization
"Previous Hotone Ambero"?! You mean Hotone Ampero One, Hotone Ampero or what?!
@@JohnnyRaven69 hotone ampero
The Ampero Stomp 2 is a stunning value for it's small price. Really impressive.
Wow! Congrats on being the first person I've seen demo the DSP limitations. Such an obviously important thing to show. I'd re-subscribe if I could, cheers!
I've got an HX Stomp. I thought the Ampero sounded way better. To get a good sound out of the stock Cabs on the HX, I usually change the Mic selection. That makes a big difference. Ampero has done a good job getting usable sounds without much tweaking.
yeah I was looking at getting a HX stomp xl and then heard about ampero and was like oh so I can save like 40% of my money, get better tones and more functionality sounds good to me.
@@alvarg For what it's worth, I recently discovered that matching the the HX Stomp Cab "High Cut frequency" to the real Speaker makes dialing in a good tone a lot easier.
Ampero 2 for sure, less tweaking to get a good sound. HX just sounds very muffled.
Yup! I had that same problem with the Headrush and all presets sounded like a beehive lol. Ampero I'm keeping!
I bought the Ampero. As a bass player, it will be more than plenty. I've already loaded up dual path, biamped rigs. As long as I stay away from dsp heavy stuff, I don't run out. Word is that they are already crunching numbers to get more options in terms of all 12 blocks with fewer limitations. I agree about the pitch stuff. My PodGo sounds better for that. Hopefully, Hotone will address that as well. Overall, it's a solid product, and should do very well for them.
I agree. It's young, I'm sure it will have some major improvements via firmware updates, that seems to be the way the market works for these things now... get the hardware out there, and then update it to it's full potential rather than developing it in house for another year or so.
@@TaylorDanley yep. All industries are following that age old model but on a much better scale of " out of the box product". Started with Windows, bad OS for years, constant updates, then Apple iPhone, then Android
How does this unit compare to the GE 300? Which has dual Sharc processors. So presumably less dsp limitations?
I'm suggesting this unit for my bass player. Could you tell me more about your experience after some months? I'm a guitarist and i'm considering one for myself as well, but i want to know your thoughts bass player-wise. Thanks!
I already have a drop tune pedal that I can use til the pitch shifting improves, considering how good the amps sound, I won't be surprised if they figure out how to improve the pitch shift function.
@@alexandreavelar9696after some months, I still haven't used it live. It's not usable for my needs. The pitch effects are useless. I've been using my Pod Go for bass. I don't run a parallel clean/dirty thing, so the PG is fine. I had hoped the Ampero II was going to do what I needed, while being smaller, have midi, but nope.
those stock irs on the ampero sound really good
MUCH improved!
Kinda liked the sound from Ampero a bit more. And I didn't put 2 and 2 together at Dantes last Thursday. I'm the bassist for Chronic Illness. Been subbed for a while now. Haha. Awesome show, hope to do another with you guys.
Same, that was a lot of fun! 🤘
the hxstomp has some tricks to run 2 guitar rig, first is trying to using only the preamp block with ir block, its easy on dsp. Other tip is trying to use legacy pedals and line 6 amps. With this tips you can run 2 rigs with reverbs or delays
Sounds super limited
Ampero 2 stomp ftw. There were times where I felt the HX stomp would cut through the mix more, but the ampero 2 just has the better fidelity. At the price, I feel ampero's value is stronger. I think I've seen some HX stomp's go for 300ish on reverb, and that isn't so bad for what you get (granted one may have to throw down on more software for it? Idk I don't own one). My perspective is from someone who owns neither but if I took the dive, it would be for the Ampero 2.
Just a heads up: $450-$500 used on reverb over the last few months I've been on the hunt for one. Definitely NOTHING around $300 unfortunately
@@AmericanMe that sucks, I could of sworn I seen a few around $375. They must've went quick (and this was like, a week or two ago). Cause I was considering one myself, for what I would be doing with it, I felt like it wasn't a bad deal. But wouldn't one need the "helix native" software? Which I heard was $99? If so, it's definitely worth mentioning. Whereas Ampero stuff, one doesn't have a worry about that aspect?
HX Stomp rocks
@@jeyrizzy6780 Helix Native is a standalone plugin that has identical processing to the hardware units. You don't need it; it's mainly just a convenience for recording and re-amping in a DAW, but you can also do that with just the Stomp.
But sad you can't buy this anywhere. Just googled and nothing.
How bout bringing the next contender, the GT1000 core
Ampero 2 sounds good on stock cabs, while hx stomp needs decent IRs
I like the organic response you have the first few chugs on the Hotone...Sold!
That's not my style of guitars at all but, it fits you very very well actually. Having your own custom guitar is a very cool thing IMO. Good stuff!
Thanks! Yeah, it's exactly my style of guitar lol. I love it!
Great vid dude! can you perhaps compare this Ampero to the Boss Core 1000.
Just found a local seller on reverb selling one for 375. Needless to say, going to pick it up in a few hours. I can’t wait!
One of my favourite home made presets on the line 6 HX Stomp is a Marshall Plexi bright with the Tweed Blues BRT amp cab combinations your signal going in splits half to one amd half to the other and that’s literally the end of the story as far as DSP goes I built that rig when I first got it a year ago and with the Marshall as my starting point of a two different style amps in a mono rig and with the Tweed added and the EQ to taste it’s like AC/DC in a box with balls but nowhere near a metal tone I was using the combo blocks in the beginning and I still love the way that those two amps with their respective cabs blend together sadly that was just shy of the DSP limit with no real effects that I was looking for to add available like a vibe or reverb or chorus there were a few eq and such but not what I was looking for…. A few months later I got the Powercab 112 for Christmas and although it doesn’t have the IR loader that the plus version does but it’s still got the speaker modelling and so with that I rebuilt the same rig without the speaker cab built into the blocks set the eq on both the same added a phaser because I just wanted something different amd that tone is so brown without being an evh ripoff I thought it would be awesome for VH riffs with phase effect and it’s not something I normally use so from there I started experimenting with different stock IRs along with different speaker sims from the powercab I learned that splitting the signal to two different amps and back together immediately to be sent through phasing and then an IR sounded very different from the parent tone however it’s a really good tone on it’s own and I’ll admit that my big issue is not blending two different IRs together like what’s happening with the original one sadly I didn’t know that part of it at the time and I haven’t had the time to really sit down and experiment / download anything aside from what came with update 3.10 and I think I could do a better matching job with some sort of aftermarket IR with less DSP than I could with the stock cabs the other thing I plan on doing once I have the extra time is to invest in an IR loader pedal to go between the HX Stomp and the Powercab 112 and basically get Powercab + functionality and lower DSP presets with more room for effects ….. sorry for the long winded comment I just got the a little past the 7 min. Mark amd that popped in my mind … I thought mabie someone could gain something from my experience keep in mind that when all this was done I had been playing guitar for just shy of 20 years and had exclusively played my Marshall JCM2000 TSL 60 half stack with a OD as a boost built in reverb a Dunlop UV-1 UniVibe reissue and a basic 95 model crybaby for over 15 years and completely satisfied with my tones between sparkling edge of breakup with a heavy touch blues tone all the way through squeezing pinched harmonics and thumping palm muted galloping rhythms and it was only the need to move my rig around by myself after a spinal injury that lead me to the digital solution…. I switched over because I had an crippling accident that’s left me disabled and live in a rural Canadian province and had to make sure I could carry my gear without help and without hurting myself and of wanting to practice when my children are sleeping now that I’ve grown up and I haven’t actually plugged into my Marshall in over a year because I have fallen in love with the 5 or so presets along with the Beano for humbuckers free preset from the 5 watt world #ThankYouKiethWilliams that I have and I haven’t even downloaded any 3rd party IRs or aside from that one preset from the video that helped make my decision to get the stomp it’s all stock from updates and my own tone chasing I love the sounds I’ve built with it and since then I got a guitar with single coil pickups for the first time since I was beginning and I still see no reason to think that I’m missing out on anything other than wanting a little more DSP available to finish that one presetbive been working on …. Hope this helps someone peace and love from Nova Scotia Canada Eh
Ain’t nobody reading all that
The ampero sounded noticeably better to me the line 6 had its that typical shrill nail board tone that hurts my ears just thinking about it.
I was hating my HX Stomp until I started using IRs, then it lit right up. IMO the stock cabs are straight doggy doo and I wish them upon nobody! awesome to see a small brand compete rather well with the helix though!
watching this two years later. looking at down sizing to one of these from my 800. still have the same opinion? also looking at what to power it with, pedal wise
great video!!! Just released ampero stomp v1.0.2 update with improved DSP. It turned out great!!
Exactly how did it improve?
Yeah... Im Wainting And Now Live... Thanks T.D
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Oh man. With the same IR it was pretty hard to have a preference either way. But damn the stock cab on the HX sounded awful.
With IRs they are comparable in sound. The stock cabs of the HX really sound nasal
Taylor, I watched all your reviews on these budget amp modelers. What is your hands down preferrence for recording and live gig? Does the MX5 or GE250 or POD GO or MG30 stand out? Thank you for all your hardwork sir!
Thanks! My preference for live is the AxeFx 3 lol. I run 2 guitars and a bass through it, so having all that processing power in my rack somewhere out of the way is a huge deal for me. When I record, I use plugins out of convenience. I'm going to make a video on this subject soon because I do get this question quite a bit, and I want to give a really thoughtful response, but to sum it up... I rarely get to play guitar for fun, and when I do it's usually axefx or some plugin.
@@TaylorDanley thanks for showing this dsp test. To me this is the most relevant test . I had this dsp limitation with my Fender mustang gtx 50 amp . I got frustrated with options on that amp being greyed out so I returned it. It's like some computers or cell phones advertising 20 gigs of RAM but the software is incapable of using it. I suppose the real test would be to look at the neural dsp quad cortex to see when it reaches its limits ( even though it is COMPLETELY in a different market $$$) , it could confirm that Amperos 3 processer dsp is just advertising over function.
@@allboutthemojo The thing is that modeler vendors now start to use marketing methods that was quite common on PC or phone market: Counting "DSP cores" as if this would be a sensible metric for power. On one side: It isn't clear defined what a "DSP core" is. In the case of Headrush MX5 it is a 6 year old ARM SoC (think "iphone 6") with 4 cores. Those cores are not special "DSPs" but generic CPU cores. Since generic CPUs now have certain features to use them for signal processing were one would use dedicated DSP chips this kinda works. The Ampero uses SHARC which is a completely different architecture. 3 SHARC dsps could be more powerful than a 4 core ARM SoC... or not. Why? Because the hardware is only part of the story. All those units use different modeling algorithms. I tested the MX5 and was very unimpressed with its modeling of just an Amp and a Cab. The fact that you can easily throw in multiple Amps is an indication that the Amp modeling of the MX5 is quite simple compared to other current units. This also makes comparisons like in this video... a bit questionable... just stuffing the chains until it doesn't work anymore doesn't say anything about the quality of the algorithms used in each effect or amp model. This exercise makes more sense in what you could build as chains with each unit of course or how quickly you can reach its limits. Other devices like the MG-30 have a different approach there: There each block has a dedicated effect style and you can change the effect style to another on some blocks. So not any block can take any effect. On the other side - you cannot run out of DSP using it - regardless on what pedal, amps and cabs you choose. So its limited - but in a different way.
@@aptfx yes. True. The sharc chips are supposed to be better. I just think that maybe the neural dsp quad chip will be a better application simply because they are in the modeling business at a professional level. Their captures , application and utilization of processing power should be a lot better. Even though they are in a league way above the ampero, just comparing based on " processing power advertised.
@@allboutthemojo The dsp power itself is only part of the story. If the algorithms are implemented inefficiently even a more powerful DSP can be more limited. The quad cortex also is a profiler which means its fundamentally different to white box modeling like Fractal does. With profiling the computationally intensive part is the profiling, while the actual _use_ while playing isn't really expensive. White box modeling is expensive because simulation of circuits in real time is algorithmically expensive
The Gui on the Ampero 2 seems to more intuitive comparatively to the HX stomp.
i dont think so
Great video, Taylor👍 I would love to see a 1:1 comparison between the Boss GT-1000 Core and Ampero 2❤️ Best regards from Denmark 🇩🇰
I've been keeping an eye out for some form of GT1000, they're just so expensive, even used!
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The HX stomp got stomped! Ampero 2 for the win.
Taylor ................. thanks for your awesome work!
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Cool demo. It was interesting to see these head to head.
Thanks!
I have owned both and both have their things going for them...sound wise i would go for the Ampero...but Ampero has some fizz on the bass strings...
FM3 FOR THE WIN
Got dang, bobby. That Ampero just sounds so good to me. Also this track absolutely slaps. Is that a Sacrificer track?
Not yet, but it very well could be. A lot of Sacrificer songs start out as demos on my channel 😂
I haven’t used either but the hot tone user interface seems way better.
Great video! Both Sounds good with a decent IR to me. Touch screen is plus on ampero.
Great comparison, to me, Ampero takes the first place here. I wonder how the Ampero Stomp or the old Ampero compares to VStomp Amp plugin by Hotone.
Hx stomp changed the way I learn, play and record ..by far my favorite peice of gear I own
If honestly, I find sound of stomp II very close to real amps (judging by other videos with direct comparison with real amps), but still i do not like high gain sound (at least in this video), it is dynamic, fast, massive, just like in real amp, but the sound itself is not satisfying for me. May be it is due to my "dark sound" preferences with cutted mids.
I get great drive tones running analog dirt pedals in the effects loop.
Why are you using ir's through a regular cab?
What we are hearing here, is this straight into a computer or through a head/cab that's also mic'd up? Thanks dude
Great comparison. Just picked up the Ampero.
Oh yeah.....If you're not gonna use the 4 bottom strings, can I have em?
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Hey! As you mentioned around 4:37 the issue with the mic. I just realized when the audio was fine again, you sound exactly the same, facing the modellers, as when you look at the camera! What kind of micing is this? :P
Once again, great content! Leaning towards the ampero even though it's the same price as the HX stomp. Also it's preorder only in UK and due mid December.
Same in the states I believe
The hx is $650 now, ampero is $500
Where I live the HX Stomp not XL version is like $1100 while the Ampero 2 is only $700
What stomp..... i can't stop ozzzzing over that guitar man 😍
🤣 same
Routing :Guitar -> hotone->cabinet mesa ? Can or no?
i did not expect amperos dsp be that shallow. what's the point of two inputs when you can't do anything.
Give it a few month and some firmware updates. I can remember how weird the dsp and bugs were when the helix was initially released. (the helix stuff is pretty old [+6 years?] and refined now)
I heard the reverbs are very expensive currently - they are said to work on that.
With that much distortion, how can you tell what the units actually sound like?
I am findig a smaller setup as a baclup for the kemper stage. For the comparing of this two gears. I would go with the ampero 2. Sounds more real.
tHANKS FOR SHARING, WHAT BASE ARE YOU USING TO TILT THE AMPERO STOMP? THANK YOU
Ampero takes that one for sure. Both can produce about the same though again. We're reaching the limit of modelers at this point
I always tell people "the one that sounds best is the one that fits your budget and meets your needs"...
No one wants to hear that though 😂
@@TaylorDanley Of course they don't because that implies they need skill first to be able to play to get the most out of the device 😛
@@TaylorDanley I like the Ampero over the headrush and cheaper than the line 6. I just wanted something I can just plug in and play and record with. Live I would choose my blackstar Ht 40 mkll anyway.
Hi Taylor! I luv your vids! :)
Can you please do Ampero vs Ampero 2 Stomp?
Just to hear if there was significant tone improvements.
I bet you wil have a lot of views! :)
Thanks
I don't think there has been, but yeah this video is coming.
@@TaylorDanley Thanks! :)
I bought the Ampero, it's my live and studio choice, and it was because of your vids! Eheh
Thanks again and keep'em coming! :))
I own an HX Stomp and gotta say w/out the custom IR"s it doesn't compare to the Ampero these days.
i feel like maybe i had a hand in this and that makes me happy-er..... ampero stock cabs sound so much better....
They do. The fact there are included Celestion IR's is a big plus too!
@Taylor Danley cpu usage looked about the same as well.
Both sound very obviously a modeller, like a better zoom 8080
DSP limitations aside, with a 3rd party IR they sound identical to me.
Which did you prefer playing?
Hard question to answer. I think I’m biased because the Ampero 2 is new, so it has more of the new gear excitement going on
They sound good..the line 6 layout doesn't seem as good..is there any way to add memory to them..sim card?Demo the Atradies..curious what you would do with it..not metal enough tho..I love mine..unlimited craziness
I don't think so, I think the best anyone can hope for is better utilization of the memory through firmware updates. I've never heard of an Atradies, what is it?
@@TaylorDanley way huge pedal
What about clean sound? Helix make nice bass and guitar clean sound, how Ampero II do this job?
Gotta put both on the computer. Much better access to both.
Hello, can I connect a distortion pedal through the amp's fx loop and use the noise gate, an EQ AND PROGRAM IT IN A PRESET?
One thing I wanted to ask is the top end is always where I have noticed differences between other modelers and the Helix/HX stuff. Is it the same here because the ampero sounds more compressed and like my ears haven’t “popped” if that makes sense?
Why not chain the two for less DSP load! I'm getting an Ampero and putting on my board going to dedicate it to amp & cabs and just utilize the HX Stomps AI and FX ONLY!
Gotta say line 6 still holds up well to something brand new. The only difference is ease of use the helix takes a bit longer to set up but once you got it your set. Big time line 6 user since 2005.
I was wondering who was keeping them alive.
@@deadhand2938 😂 okay bud
Хорошее сравнение 👍 С родными кабинетами лучше Ampero, с импульсами звук очень схож.
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Is the Ampero simpler to use than the HX Stomp? That’s my problem with my HX Stomp, I’m a super simple guy and I hate how much tweaking I have to do to get something pleasing to play to..
A good review, it is clear that the manufacturer saves on processor power. But no matter how you turn it, Line6 has better effects, don’t say what, it’s just that the Chinese don’t know how to do pitch correctors and harmonizers. Why don't processors on 128 GB SD still write loops or just tracks, why don't they make a microphone input? When will there be universal devices to write everything in one device. And yes, Taylor, a measly 0.5% of the world's population listens to metal, so the effects of overdrive are not always appropriate. But spatial processing and a multifunctional and compact device would be handy, the song was sung and played lying on the couch, and then mixed in the studio, it's easier. THANK YOU for the comparison!
How it sound compared with your guitar rig ? Does it have enough DSP to handle your tone( I mean only your guitar without second guitar and bass) ?
Well in terms of my rhythm tone, I'm pretty simple. I just like an OD, amp and cab... and yes, both can do that without issue. Actually in terms of single signal chains, both are more than capable for me personally, even with more effects heavy lead type tones and pitch shifting.
This or the ge 250?? Great vid as always. Not for effects or dsp the feels! Which one felt most analog
I never know how to answer this question because I honestly don’t notice a difference between digital and analog gear. “Feel” is just as subjective as good tone IMO
I haven’t tried the ampero but I have owned a ge 250 and an hx stomp. I still have the hx stomp. I never liked the tones I got out of the mooer. I will say the stomp does need some IRs to really sound great though.
Here's to me! Still rocking the boss me 80! Ha!! Ampero does sound better though..
With the custom IR I like the way the HX Stomp sounds. Without it I feel like the Ampero 2 sounds better but isn't something that can't be tweaked on HX Stomp.
I'd probably go with the HX Stomp overall especially for the community, a lot more popular so more support.
why not both?
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Does it do bass as well?
How do these compare to
The boss gt 1000 core ? Also do you think there will be a new hx stomp unit coming in the next year or so ?
Is there a gap when switching between patches? I'd like to look at this as a way of replacing the Mooer Pre-Amp Live on my pedalboard to generate amp tone and save a bit more space but I'm running patch switching from a Boss MS-3 via midi and I'm wondering if I'll hit a gap between patches (which was an issue when using an HX-Stomp.
The Helix stuff is sounding a little outdated now though. Great when launched but it feels like there are better units out there now.
Damn....I bought the wrong one 😭😢
If you want to run the ampero or hx or any modeling unit with a can you need a powered cab or like a Seymour Duncan power stage right? And then you could run it through a cab like an amp couldn’t you, can someone tell me if I’m right or not
Yes that will work
Ampero sounds better. Maybe just the IRs, but it sounds more present or up front and hx sounds like it's sitting in the background on the other side of the room
Ampero’s sound blows the HX away!
UGH I'm so torn here. For my ears, the Ampero 2 Stomp sounds WAY better than the competition. But, that DSP limitation is disheartening.
To be fair, I think most of these smaller units have comparable DSP limits… aside from the mx5, which might be using black magic or other demonic witch craft. I can’t be certain, I didn’t read the manual
The IR is what does it. The HX Stomp with out that custom IR sounded very cheap.
can it chug like lamb of god metallica pantera?
Please use standard e tuning for metal sounds. Those low tunings will always sound heavy and muddy.
I have a question. Is it possible to blend two IRs in the ampero 2?
You could, but you'll run out of DSP for other effects. At most, probably just add a simple plate reverb with an EQ block/regular boost. Weirdly, custom IRs takes lesser dsp
Hey Taylor can you please please do a Ampero 2 vs Axe FX 3? We would really appreciate it at Ampero World. Thanks for your time. \m/
I'm owning the ampero 2 stomp for around 5 days now and the sound is a lot better, more defined/natural with the built in Ir's, compared to the pod go and ge 300(using tone captures) . (if you live inside Europe, i'm selling my ge300 with 21 month warranty remaining!)
As you have seen for yourself, the can be done a lot to the firmware to further increase the algorithms/dsp in the future and for 500€ it's just a beast. Yes the mx5 does dual stuff too, but it simply sounds a bit weird. (digital, non natural dynamics, a bit cheap/plasticy?)
I haven't played a helix unit with the newest firmware, so i don't know how much better it sounds noe compared to 2 years ago, but the helix is definitely at the end of it's live and until other companies are starting to built new, very good sounding modellers out of the box, the ampero 2 will be it's own league in it's price range.
Have you actually tried the MX5?
@@johnong2655 the gigboard, which is the same unit.
I like that 4:20 tone!
In not new to che channel but dont know why the fuking mouse didnt went for the sub till now 😂😂😂😂. Keep the videos coming and the riffing 🤘🤘🤘
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Stomp for the win!!!!
When I heard "Chug Battle" I was expecting some adult content....But I enjoyed this video anyway!🙄
The Ampero Stomp 2 has the capture feature in it or still just Mooer and Neural DSP that can do it? Thanks
PS: I kinda preferred the stock IR in Ampero than the external IR ...
Nop capture feature in the ampero 2 (for now?)
wow the line6 sounds like a toy by comparison
HX sounds boxy? I love my Ampero II!!!
with the same IR there is not such difference apart from some eq
I hope to see Line 6 releasing an HX Stomp II with more footswitches and a touch screen in the near future, even though this is gonna increase the price.
I would love a new stomp (the xl was not what I was expecting it to be unfortunately) but, I really just don’t like the touch screen idea over here. I usually throw my gear in a backpack and the small built like a tank screen is all I personally need in my stomp as I pc edit mostly due to how quick it is anyway.
More dsp is more important for newer model, rest is ok and done by regular updates. Only factor that keeps me away from buying stomp is its extremely limited dsp
Do you not need a power amp for this?
Only if you’re trying to power a cab.
HX Stomp stock cabs sound like crap compared to the Ampero 2 however when switching to IRs I couldn't tell a difference, so buy what you get for less money. Have a feeling that the HX Stomp price is going to go down soon
lol it went up. This aged badly! 699 now for helix stomp.
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may be time to move on frm my beloved HX stomp... ;p
Line 6 wins by default for having a HM2.
Try the RAT simulation and after try to match the HM2 EQ with it.
😂 fair enough!🤘
someone should make an iphone stomp. just slide your iphone in, pop open the app. the dsp of apple chips is so much better than the crappy sharc chips or whatever they use in these things plus the gui and touch screen so much better. the power to eliminate dsp limits and aliasing is here, someone just has to make it. run the app in 192khz with 2x oversampling and voila. digital fizz be gone.
Большинство гитаристов вряд ли будут заморачиваться и выстраивать какие-то длинные да еще и параллельные цепочки. Люди до сих пор ждут *нормальной эмуляции* звучания аналогового усилителя. И если простая цепочка педаль-усилитель-кабинет - не звучит даже близко к аналогу (а на HX Stomp, например, так и есть) - все дальнейшие изыскания считаю сразу излишними. Забыли и выкинули.
sounds like Olas show.