My 1925 dated hex mosin has the early war stamped/bent front escutcheon and nothing at the rear but has the brass furniture on the handguard from earlier. It makes for a unique mashup of quaint and dated and simple/utilitarian. I like it! good vid!
I believe that a non-laminated, late war/post-war pressed in escutcheon stock can be identified by the presence of a visible toe splice on the heel of the stock. The reason being I believe was to get more efficient use of smaller stock blanks due to material shortages. These were spliced in with a dovetail and glued which can be easily seen by removing the butt plate. On many there also appears to be a red pigment on the end grain of the wood which I would guess was used to prevent the stock getting damaged by rust behind the butt plate. I have seen this same pigment on some Mauser K-98 rifles.
It's interesting to see the progression of stocks through the years. It makes sense that a rifle that's been around this long would have variation. I appreciate the video showing some of the differences!
My 1943 9130 Izhevsk has no refurbish markings and does not have the import stampings. She chokes on steel ammo but loves brass cased ammo. The stock has no gouges or splits and is beautiful. I did reblue the barrel and receiver. When I take her to the range, I always get compliments and lots of questions.
Interesting. I am curious about ‘post war’ receiver fit. I have a couple of those stocks that I wanted to put a 1942 Izhevsk 91/30 into but it won’t fit as the machining of the wood inside at the rear of the receiver is different.
Question: I just made a down payment on a numbers matching 1945 m44, it has a wartime stock. Is there a good chance it was used in the war or did they use wartime stocks on guns right after the war? It’s in great shape but definitely not brand new. Thanks!
This is WAY late, but a good way to tell is to look for refurbish markings on the stock from either depot 1 or depot 7. Depot 1 is a box with a diagonal line through it, usually on the right side of the buttstock. Depot 7 is a square that’s stamped on the receiver, usually near the date and manufacturer. If your stock lacks any of these markings it’s a telltale sign that the stock is an original and not refurbished or a new stock entirely
My 1925 dated hex mosin has the early war stamped/bent front escutcheon and nothing at the rear but has the brass furniture on the handguard from earlier. It makes for a unique mashup of quaint and dated and simple/utilitarian. I like it! good vid!
I believe that a non-laminated, late war/post-war pressed in escutcheon stock can be identified by the presence of a visible toe splice on the heel of the stock. The reason being I believe was to get more efficient use of smaller stock blanks due to material shortages. These were spliced in with a dovetail and glued which can be easily seen by removing the butt plate. On many there also appears to be a red pigment on the end grain of the wood which I would guess was used to prevent the stock getting damaged by rust behind the butt plate. I have seen this same pigment on some Mauser K-98 rifles.
It's interesting to see the progression of stocks through the years. It makes sense that a rifle that's been around this long would have variation. I appreciate the video showing some of the differences!
My 1943 9130 Izhevsk has no refurbish markings and does not have the import stampings. She chokes on steel ammo but loves brass cased ammo. The stock has no gouges or splits and is beautiful. I did reblue the barrel and receiver. When I take her to the range, I always get compliments and lots of questions.
Very good explanation. Thank you!! Always very interesting to watch your videos!!!
Great job Sam! Very much enjoy your detailed reviews....Thank You.
Nice review Sam! Now I appreciate escutcheons much more! 😉😉
What is your favorite ammo? Also on variations in stock color. I pray if you could do a video on these two topics. God bless!
Interesting. I am curious about ‘post war’ receiver fit. I have a couple of those stocks that I wanted to put a 1942 Izhevsk 91/30 into but it won’t fit as the machining of the wood inside at the rear of the receiver is different.
How very Forgotten Weapons. 👍
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Mine has those screws, but the barrel says 1942.
bevor the war? which one are you speaking about? ww1 or ww2 mine is fom 1907 so bevor ww1....
Question: I just made a down payment on a numbers matching 1945 m44, it has a wartime stock.
Is there a good chance it was used in the war or did they use wartime stocks on guns right after the war? It’s in great shape but definitely not brand new. Thanks!
This is WAY late, but a good way to tell is to look for refurbish markings on the stock from either depot 1 or depot 7. Depot 1 is a box with a diagonal line through it, usually on the right side of the buttstock. Depot 7 is a square that’s stamped on the receiver, usually near the date and manufacturer.
If your stock lacks any of these markings it’s a telltale sign that the stock is an original and not refurbished or a new stock entirely
I'm beginning to suspect The reason the Soviets
wanted to spread the use of the word Escutcheon