4.0 CIG Survey - Please participate

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  • Опубликовано: 21 дек 2024

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  • @Camural
    @Camural  13 часов назад +9

    Spectrum: robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/live-feedback-star-citizen-gameplay-survey/7581425
    Survey: forms.office.com/r/Nvr2rP4nWR

    • @Solo.Huemun
      @Solo.Huemun 9 часов назад +1

      2 years of collecting unique armour sets (like all of Siege of Orison, Xenothreat & other) wiped for 4.0! Not to mention time spent raising credits for in-game ship purchases.
      This survey is a lame duck just like chris roberts & jared the clown.
      Put sc in the hands of someone who knows how to run a business properly, seasoned developers with free rein to realise fantastic & logical creativity & erase everything related to roberts space industries in & around this tech demo, I might reconsider investing time into again.
      Keep up the good work. This is the only channel I use to keep up to date with sc.

    • @SC.KINGDOM
      @SC.KINGDOM 6 часов назад

      @@Camural danke

    • @kVidStream
      @kVidStream Час назад

      Didn't really do it for the reward and got to the last page, but they could have given me a purple paint for my Retaliator :/

  • @herbaceousboredom9584
    @herbaceousboredom9584 12 часов назад +60

    Already filled it in, they don't ask any useful questions, those that are there are poorly thought out and will misrepresent the aggregate of answers. But maybe that was the intent, to make players feel like they are providing feedback CIG will use to improve things, whereas they will just be allowed to sound off and answers will go in the bin.

    • @glalih
      @glalih 12 часов назад +9

      its a loaded survey for their board members and investors..... too much noise about shit not working

    • @Camural
      @Camural  12 часов назад +20

      @herbaceousboredom9584 OI had the same impression.
      Question like: "How is ship combat" need a field to enter text, not just a ranking.

    • @Casey093
      @Casey093 12 часов назад +7

      Sorting everything between 1 and 15 is a perfect opportunity to interpret it however you want... such a joke.

    • @Lambonights
      @Lambonights 12 часов назад +11

      This isn't the first time they have done this, and they will do what they always do with player feedback, ignore it, because they won't like the answers they get back, and do what they want instead.

    • @theorigonalb.a
      @theorigonalb.a 11 часов назад +2

      yup, i made a spectrum post about it. It's the first post that I've made on spectrum that has not been attacked by the hardliners

  • @Trigger-vi6lb
    @Trigger-vi6lb 12 часов назад +27

    I bought the game because it was an space sim with 6 dregres of freedom and now its an arcady " fly planes in space" game.

    • @mabs9503
      @mabs9503 11 часов назад

      "but simulator doesn't mean simulator it means arcade"

    • @dial2616
      @dial2616 11 часов назад +1

      Well at least the Descent series still exxists

    • @nuanil
      @nuanil 10 часов назад +1

      I bought the game because it was going to revive the long considered dead space SIM genre, and ships would behave as if in the real world.

    • @ericsortzi5669
      @ericsortzi5669 9 часов назад

      This is where "but actually" mental state tends to come out. A lot of folks have said this... that it's not 6DoF anymore or that ships fly like planes and its not realistic... and when I hear all that I have to point out that - aside from the fact that SC's flight model is not true to physics - it at least is largely true to functionality. Which is to say that the primary thrust vector for ships in the SC universe will be straight forward due to large thrusters at the rear and straight up translationally due to large thrusters at the bottom of the ship. And this is 100% consistent with how real "flying" spacecraft are built, except that in the real world lift is provided by wings interacting with air and not thrusters. So a pitch-centric flight model is realistic. And while the overall tuning of SC's current flight model sucks with regard to how its thruster power distribution works, the ability to tri-chord in previous models was never realistic.
      This isn't to say that current tuning is not on the arcadey side. But this is largely a factor of poor choices in acceleration and g-force values than anything else. But in terms of real world design, "planes in space" would be most accurate for a ship with a human pilot with human limitations that is expected to operate both in space and in gravity situations.

  • @neonsamurai1348
    @neonsamurai1348 12 часов назад +36

    One thing that annoyed me about the survey is why I claim ships, the number one reason bar none is because the ship disappeared due to a bug (didn't store properly, 30k while flying said ship, vanished in thin air, etc etc). Talk about proving they never play their damn game.

    • @nuanil
      @nuanil 10 часов назад +4

      They included Bugs as a reason in the form

    • @FlaviusUrsus
      @FlaviusUrsus 5 часов назад +2

      @@nuanil Yeah but it is weirdly worded. It read 'ship specific bug'. I think imply it's to fix a bugged ship. the ship losts to a general bugs I assume would be the last option (something about a ship you can't access) but it does look like they didn't account for the main reason people do it as OP said

  • @Kyle-sr6jm
    @Kyle-sr6jm 10 часов назад +18

    Polls do not exist to reveal opinion. Polls exist to manipulate opinion.

  • @nathanz7205
    @nathanz7205 10 часов назад +6

    submitted, someone without experience seemed to make this. I cant even give good answers. whatever i guess... Thanks for bringing this to our attention Camural.

  • @Casey093
    @Casey093 13 часов назад +43

    "4.How new to Star Citizen are you?"
    Oldest you can select is veteran: More than a year.
    Well.... yeah, CIG, this is a joke.

    • @sonic-factory
      @sonic-factory 11 часов назад +6

      I think that question is more suited to the developers working at CIG themselves. Anyone lasting more than a year is a veteran.

  • @doctorno3912
    @doctorno3912 12 часов назад +21

    But does this survey have the most important question. Do you feel that star citizen respect your time playing it?

    • @the_babbleboom
      @the_babbleboom 10 часов назад +5

      they don't respect anyone over anything.

  • @Krakenshaul
    @Krakenshaul 9 часов назад +3

    Shared and filled out, they need some feedback I'm loosing patience with there bs now.

  • @heru_ur6017
    @heru_ur6017 12 часов назад +17

    Pffft.
    As if they actually care about anything.
    Just check, next year they will hold an ISC and say : From the survey held we can see the comunity is happy with the progress and direction taken.
    Just look at any QA and see how they sweep negative feedback under the rug.
    Same thing happens in spectrum, either deleted or moved to the graveyard.

    • @AndirHon
      @AndirHon 12 часов назад +4

      Oh boy, with the answers I gave, I don't know how they could interpret it as positive.

    • @heru_ur6017
      @heru_ur6017 12 часов назад

      ​@@AndirHon You can send them a letter filled with dog poop and they'll open it live on ISC and pull out a heart and loveletter.
      They are Gaslighters all of them.
      They will actively hide the truth so long as funding keeps rolling in.
      I'm done with the whole thing. Just waiting for it to finally collapse. BIG party that day.

    • @glalih
      @glalih 12 часов назад +2

      @@AndirHon i blanket negated everything cause in reality nothing is working. Ill give few quick examples:
      Not dying out of the blue
      Driving physics
      Flying physics
      Cargo physics
      Weapon physics
      Armor
      Gravity
      Not falling through floor
      Not dying whilst flying in/out of hangar
      Elevators
      Network sync
      +10 frames servers (FPS games go with 60server frames usually)
      Repair/Restock
      Items evaporating/despawning
      Doors
      Choking whilst in air pressurized environment (space station, ship)
      Actual weapon balance / functionality (vehicles and on foot)
      Physics interaction
      Object mass
      Trade system (demand/supply chain)
      Cops/Criminals loop
      Medical loop
      NPC
      Automation ("ai blades" and npc crew)
      Public transport
      Shops
      Food/Drink loop
      Missions
      And this is just from the top of my head and fails just keep piling up. Im struggling to find a loop that actually works AS INTENDED in any circumstances (which is a necessary qualification to pass QA check)....
      Solution: Delete the game, consider thousands spent in "investing" in this game as a mistake and a fail of Luna/Terra investment magnitude (luckily i wasnt that dumb... or so i thought).
      I will consider selling the 3k+ account cheaper if someone still has hope that shitshow is actually gonna pull through. You can ping me if you wanna make a deal on nice set of ships for imaginary game (galaxy, Polaris, Merchantman, some nice ccus, mostly LTI... total value based on ccu game +3500$)

  • @Lambonights
    @Lambonights 12 часов назад +5

    Yes folks, please consider doing this survey and don't hold back!

  • @the_babbleboom
    @the_babbleboom 12 часов назад +12

    really, they want you to give the name so that they can dismiss any negative feedback because they added a tag to your profile to insult you with as "snowflake" and whatever other stupid crap they come up with?
    and as a reward hand out some shitty dated shirt and hat?
    these people are unreal.

    • @the_babbleboom
      @the_babbleboom 10 часов назад +6

      of course they locked the thread too so nobody can tell them how transparent and bad this survey is made.

    • @Krakenshaul
      @Krakenshaul 9 часов назад +4

      Nearly every post I've ever made has been moderated it's not what it was when I first backed this, I miss those days, yes life changes and the projects grown but what a p*** take it is now.
      If I could get my money back I would.

    • @the_babbleboom
      @the_babbleboom 8 часов назад +1

      @@Krakenshaul ****rider recently went back to several week old posts of mine that had over 100 likes and went on a deleting spree before doing his throwing random rule numbers at me with another one month ban.
      the moderation does targeted harassment when you do wrong think.

  • @joshk1124
    @joshk1124 11 часов назад +12

    bro i did the survey just for you! unfortunately seems like 90% of my answers were in the strongly dissatisfied category

  • @ChannelHandlePending
    @ChannelHandlePending 11 часов назад +2

    Nice how they even avoid the elephants in the room even when directly asking for feedback

  • @nuanil
    @nuanil 10 часов назад +5

    I wonder why they didn't include comment boxes....

    • @Camural
      @Camural  10 часов назад +1

      @nuanil exactly this: more comment fields.

  • @artsolano6762
    @artsolano6762 9 часов назад +1

    "How many people know about the Maniac? Anyone?" LOL nice clip.

  • @emcmanamna
    @emcmanamna 10 часов назад +2

    For the next survey from CIG: What was the best lie we told you and did it change your decision to buy a new ship?

  • @CHEESYhairyGASH
    @CHEESYhairyGASH 13 часов назад +11

    Does that colleague, who first told you about the game, still follow Star Citizen?

    • @Camural
      @Camural  12 часов назад +9

      @CHEESYhairyGASH He left the company years ago.
      I have no contact.

    • @secondimpact7836
      @secondimpact7836 10 часов назад

      Well isn't that wonderful.

  • @theorigonalb.a
    @theorigonalb.a 11 часов назад +6

    They failed to make the survey correctly. They had no n/a option for the aspects that I never experienced. If they don't have an option for n/a it doesn't let them know of this and it will skew the results. They ask us a question but only provide space for 40 words to answer. They asked to rate in order of something, such as salvage, mining and other game loops, but I've never played few of those loops in a long time.

  • @vespervespertilianus8868
    @vespervespertilianus8868 10 часов назад +2

    On a less depressing note… gotta love Tom Wilson, right?!!

  • @kobodera8261
    @kobodera8261 12 часов назад +6

    I started out, but when I cam to the how much do you play and there was no 0 hours per week I was unable to answer and just shut the survey down

    • @mabs9503
      @mabs9503 11 часов назад +2

      That question was for games in general not just SC iirc.

    • @nuanil
      @nuanil 10 часов назад

      What you mean is, they were missing the "and how many of those 20+ hours do you spend in SC and Why? and give us 120 characters

    • @kobodera8261
      @kobodera8261 9 часов назад

      @@mabs9503 Oh, in that case... way too many and 0 of those in SC right now....
      Back when SC was actually fun to play a lot of those too many were put into SC instead of other games...

    • @Ospray3151
      @Ospray3151 8 часов назад

      I considered that question as how much I played before I gave up over a month ago XD If most of my answer werent strongly disagree, I wouldnt have given up....

    • @Ospray3151
      @Ospray3151 8 часов назад

      @@mabs9503 and yes, I sort of read it as that too

  • @ichisakari966
    @ichisakari966 9 часов назад +2

    let's just say that "Strongly Disagree" came up as my answer more times than I had hoped

  • @MikePhilbin1966
    @MikePhilbin1966 13 часов назад +12

    LOL at 'the vision you are changing every year' exactly what's happening... where is the UNIFIED CORE GAMEPLAY/UI template?

  • @andrewbundschuh
    @andrewbundschuh 6 часов назад +1

    tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies ...... perfect theme song for RSI!

  • @Accuracy158
    @Accuracy158 3 часа назад +2

    I don't really like these questions. We already know how this is going to go...
    CIG: Do you like The current state of ship combat?
    Player: No
    CIG: They don't like ship combat. We need to double down on master modes and make it more "accessible".

  • @the_babbleboom
    @the_babbleboom 10 часов назад +5

    the way these questions are phrased it makes it look like someone who hates what they did to the flight model and how terrible the law system and consequently combat is, just doesn't like combat in general.
    but because i love combat i hate everything they have done and not done with this game.

  • @altostratus9342
    @altostratus9342 6 часов назад +1

    I'm not surprised that they didn't create a freeform text field at the end of the survey to add other feedback and comments. 😉

  • @rockheart3645
    @rockheart3645 7 часов назад +2

    SC is to focused on conbat for me.. No sociaty could exist with all the killing...

  • @MrEasterrabbit
    @MrEasterrabbit 9 часов назад +1

    I think I was very hard in my votings, but there is so much room for improvement 😅

  • @drk3309
    @drk3309 10 часов назад +2

    One question is missing: "How likely would you buy anything for real money in the next 12 months." That would give them a realistic outlook regarding company liquidity. But, wait a moment ...

  • @ericsortzi5669
    @ericsortzi5669 9 часов назад +1

    While I appreciate that CIG has been putting out these surveys and requests for feedback over the last year, the amount of bias shown in the questions is very telling. The ranges for the amount of experience playing Star Citizen only goes up to a year. Everything beyond that is a veteran. Ranking how much we enjoy each experience but not getting to say whether or not we do or if we feel that there are issues in those experiences, and so on. Like many surveys, how the questions are asked will effect the quality of their answers.

  • @s1lentw1nter
    @s1lentw1nter 9 часов назад +2

    I was hoping for a text box at the end for other information. but alas no joy.

  • @bewArcher
    @bewArcher 7 часов назад

    I already did the survey...I let them know what I thought!

  • @preechr
    @preechr 11 часов назад +1

    I never participate in these type of marketing surveys. Marketing itself is just misrepresentation for profit, and I don’t prefer to have my opinions distorted to make CIG look better.
    If they want my opinions I would be happy to provide them in depth and in context. Thats exactly what I signed up to do when I backed the game, and that’s clearly the last thing they want from any of us.
    Given the state of gaming in general right now, I suspect this is marketing’s way of working up a claim that their progress is plagued by the mythical “TOXIC FANDOM”

  • @warren3174
    @warren3174 11 часов назад +4

    They worded some questions in a way as to skew results in the favor of how they want it to be. Rather annoying but fill it out nonetheless.

  • @sonic-factory
    @sonic-factory 11 часов назад +9

    I scored "Very poor" on pretty much everything, because that is exactly how I feel about the game.

  • @namaikikitsune
    @namaikikitsune 6 часов назад +1

    Death of a Spaceman directly conflicts with the fps and small ship combat that they continually push and parts of the community enjoy. I seriously doubt it will ever really be implemented unless other gameplay aspects are completely overhauled or there are separate hardcore servers.

  • @scribemike
    @scribemike 5 часов назад +1

    Fine, I did the thing. Not that they'll do anything with it other than more marketing crap.

  • @tanjastark8184
    @tanjastark8184 11 часов назад +4

    No text field to write master mode sucks 🙂

  • @Accuracy158
    @Accuracy158 2 часа назад

    I'm not a competitive racer but honestly if I could get CIG to focus on one game loop it might be racing... In part because it forces a strong flight model and unique environments. It's also one of the stronger representations of what mastering flight looks like.
    They should also realize that without flight their game is nothing. The FPS content will never hold up to the thousands of dedicated FPS games. It needs to be serviceable but there's probably no point in wasting too much time or effort on that content even if it's easier to copy from other games.

  • @100colinrr
    @100colinrr 12 часов назад +5

    Was answering the survey more fun than playing the game?

    • @Lambonights
      @Lambonights 11 часов назад +2

      If you like venting, I would say yes!

    • @nuanil
      @nuanil 10 часов назад +2

      Getting my wisdom teeth pulled was more fun than either....

  • @dragonchild_SC
    @dragonchild_SC 10 часов назад +1

    I see some issue with the "ranking" question. You cannot flag any option as n/a, so no matter if you tried a feature or even answered the question you always have a full rating. And CIG can say x% put this and that on top. Still, better than nothing - maybe? Let's see If it is for real or just for show. The results should tell - IF CIG makes some of them public. And as we can already see from the comments there should be a lot of negative feedback from most of the backers.

  • @Dragon69FlyTeam
    @Dragon69FlyTeam 13 часов назад +4

    85% negative 10% neutral.. 5 % positive lol

    • @Lambonights
      @Lambonights 12 часов назад +4

      You were kinder than I was!

  • @OGShively
    @OGShively 10 часов назад +2

    Man I responded with a lot of "disagree" or "strongly disagree." Looks like the game's never coming out.

  • @Leptospirosi
    @Leptospirosi 4 часа назад

    I cannot even open the doors of my hangar in 4.0 live and I already got a crimestat trying to force them open...
    I'm not in the right mode to ansewer a survey

  • @tgfover9000
    @tgfover9000 12 часов назад +3

    Posted my honest review. It isn't looking excellent...

  • @theorigonalb.a
    @theorigonalb.a 11 часов назад +1

    I did NOT sign up to play longshoreman sim. I swear he seen my spectrum post and used my saying. I will abandon salvage if they force this on me. It took over an hour to unload the claimer after only 5 freelancer salvages. I refuse to EVER do that again

  • @JagHiroshi
    @JagHiroshi 7 часов назад

    Will they share the results?

  • @ericsortzi5669
    @ericsortzi5669 9 часов назад

    I genuinely wonder how Chris's chairman letter and the reports that several top execs are being let go bodes for SC's 2025 development. There has been a lot of request for feedback over the last year which is very unusual for SC, and there can be no doubt about the results of that feedback being resoundingly negative. So much of what was developed for SQ42 out in the dark over the last few years was in a direction very contrary to what the community seems to want. Weirdly, I have to imagine that SQ42 is developing closer to CR's vision of the game than any other segment of the game, and reports from inside CIG suggest he is overly involved in the dev process and is constantly meddling and requesting redo's.
    With CR saying that 2025 will be a year focused on stability, and him apparently firing top execs in key positions and prepping - seemingly - to downsize staff based on those reports, it's hard to see how we're going to see much progress forward over the next year. To my view, Chris Roberts is the problem.

  • @mlx1363
    @mlx1363 3 часа назад

    Hi ! Have you seen it's no longer possible to Buy Back with game credit ? Only real money. Don't know when things have changed. Auf wiedersehen !

  • @Johnny-c6p
    @Johnny-c6p 12 часов назад +3

    i filled that survey and all negative about flight model. terrible. ill never buy ships .

  • @I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity
    @I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity 57 секунд назад

    Now watch as they completely ignore all the data they received.

  • @DrunkenCitizen
    @DrunkenCitizen 11 часов назад +3

    Ugh multiple choice so you can't really tell them the stuff that sucks, like their flight model, or how engineering is going to be more annoyance than fun. Or that the mfd hold f and scroll during combat is slow and not ideal for quick use to avoid death. Sure we could go on about elevators not working since ever as a basic function of the game, but not on this survey because they really don't care or want to hear feed back. They only want to have the appearance of this so people will spend more money on what is a defunct game at this point. Chris the clown.

  • @MadBeausuff
    @MadBeausuff 13 часов назад +1

    I did this.

  • @TheElcentralen
    @TheElcentralen 5 часов назад

    so its a 3,x question. the 4.0 is way to new for answers

  • @Frank-costanza
    @Frank-costanza 7 часов назад

    "Is X meaningful and rewarding?" No

  • @JB-gb7uu
    @JB-gb7uu 10 часов назад

    It was a decent survey. Tell the truth on it.

  • @BeardRubEnjoyer
    @BeardRubEnjoyer 7 часов назад

    We all just glossing over "mobile games" being on the survey? Get ready for some excellent monetization.

  • @Kino_Chroma
    @Kino_Chroma 9 часов назад

    They want us to comment on their ass product. Maybe they should read spectrum.

  • @SgtHack802
    @SgtHack802 10 часов назад

    I haven’t played this mess in 3 months. Refuse until the bugs are fixed and the time sinks are gone.

  • @Bombastic0013
    @Bombastic0013 9 часов назад

    I started to fill the survey but as it was too long and boring, i stopped.

  • @Accuracy158
    @Accuracy158 3 часа назад +1

    Manually loading ships and cargo feels fun and rewarding?? LMAO!!! 🤣🤣 UI? Driving physics? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...

  • @THUORN
    @THUORN 8 часов назад +1

    The survey like everything else with CIG is poorly thought out. They will not get any meaningful information from this survey.

  • @SC.KINGDOM
    @SC.KINGDOM 11 часов назад

    GERMAN EFFICIENCY

  • @sttosin
    @sttosin 12 часов назад +3

    At least include the link to the survey in the description.

    • @Camural
      @Camural  12 часов назад +6

      Did you really miss my pinned comment?

    • @sttosin
      @sttosin 9 часов назад

      @@Camural I guess I did :)

  • @BGIANAKy
    @BGIANAKy 10 часов назад

    What’s the point? It’s a bottable survey.

  • @kiri101
    @kiri101 11 часов назад +1

    Survey is worthless, full of loaded questions

  • @leslieviljoen
    @leslieviljoen 5 часов назад +1

    Why did you claim your ship? Because CIG moved all my ships to a planet, the least useful place, and removed all the components so I can't "deliver" them somewhere else unless I want them with terrible components. They also made it impossible to move all the components elsewhere. They don't actually play this game do they?

  • @Krakenshaul
    @Krakenshaul 10 часов назад

    Absoulouty dreadful after trying it today.

  • @karakiri283
    @karakiri283 8 часов назад

    I just want GTA in space at this point.
    If i want hardcore sim, i will the just play DayZ. If i want dying of starvation, common cold, or dysentery because i forgot to wash my hands before eating, broke my bones, die to griefers and definitive death in a very hardcore pvp environment, i have all i want. I dont want a hardcore sim in space a want a chill sim in space.

  • @gastiresoil9758
    @gastiresoil9758 12 часов назад +1

    Pointless. Just like the other crap you want your viewers to fill out on spectrum.

    • @zyloctal
      @zyloctal 11 часов назад +1

      It's not pointless, massive feedback changes features. If people bailout stuff does not change.

  • @TheEtrattner
    @TheEtrattner 11 часов назад

    shall we once again notion that those are Likert-5 questions (not Likert-7) thus useless as the survey does nothing to counter the "tendency to the middle" (although the state of the product should counter that all by itself... except that attentive consumers clearly are not the target of this "survey") - and equal-step-scaled on top.
    There even is some almost-attempt at reverse scaling/checkquestioning - but again clearly on a lazy pretense level.
    And that is long before the oddly omissive formulations, the free answering being limited to 5 words + spaces... many other things.
    A fake survey for a siphoning construct faking to endeveaour on an actual pipeline and/or pipeline output.
    A lazy toddler questioning showing anyone attentive that everyone in that .. construct.. by now is homogenzied to a point where everyone has a vested interest to preserve the exact status quo - and the summary organism has zero interst in actual feedback, moreso treats actual data as a threat to the status quo and nothing else.
    Outliers here and there nonwithstanding, but outliers are outliers, excessions in the datapoint marker cloud, not the norm, not the median, not the average, not the representative, not the (not only stastically) relevant.

  • @jui79
    @jui79 6 часов назад

    This survey is a joke as 4.0 is. preview of 4.0 to not loose face? Switched to elite dangerous after 4 years break. And occasionally playing X4 now, having a fleet of space ships WITH pilots to get you a passive income. Why did I even try 4.0 or think it's worth trying it???

  • @IshmaelKipling
    @IshmaelKipling 9 часов назад

    Please tell Chris Roberts to make more ships.

  • @ionious97
    @ionious97 7 часов назад

    Very very poor execution of what has become a tech showcase platform.

  • @cygnus6623
    @cygnus6623 Час назад

    Lot of naysayers. Good it will probably play better for me when you all leave.

  • @gametouchcontroller730
    @gametouchcontroller730 5 часов назад

    @camural before you get a stream deck let me give you a GTc code to try.

  • @randyscharf1505
    @randyscharf1505 4 часа назад +1

    Finally cig is going to see 1st hand how bad there game is