valzerna The Trokar hooks seem to work best as they have a wide gap. I also really like the VMC hooks. 4.8" swimbaits seem to be the sweet spot. They can draw the big fish but are still small enough for the smaller fish to bite.
yes, i have the vmc hooks, but thanks to your video i found these Trokar hooks, i like the wider gap for the 5.8 fat swing impact. I mean, i never lost a pike with the VMCs , but sometimes the gap of a 7/0 vmc hook seems just to narrow compared to a Trokar on a Fat Swing... so, thank you for your video!
staying with Keitech, here's another weedless hook option: www.dropbox.com/s/el3a2eh9eu9rcmb/Keitech%20on%20Freedom.jpeg?dl=0 www.dropbox.com/s/mb9kp9kzl58wara/Keitech%20on%20Freedom%20catches%20SMB.jpeg?dl=0
*These floats do what they say they do **enjoyable.fishing** recommend they come on and off easily and can be adjusted in seconds to adjust to the depth of the water you are fishing in. Used these with trout magnet lures and did really well with them in the stream!*
years ago i found that i was missing strikes on super flukes my solution to the problem was to bend the last part of the hook with the barb open more so the point of the hook is more straight to the bait. this can be done by grabbing the hook with pliers just after the main bend of the hook and increasing the space between the hook point and shank of the hook. or you can grab the bend of the hook and bend it away from the eye to open up the point as well. i know this is from a while ago but hope it helps you or other people watching the video. tight lines dale
Best description of swim bait, hook selection and rigging that I have ever seen. Thanks for the video. Just order some of that stuff from Tackle Warehouse.
Hi the weight placement on the hook determine on how the bait swims in water forward is more downward action , middle is subsurface, back is more up in water column
This was info I was looking for in a video. What does the weight shape do? I assume stability and speed of retrieve are key. Flat vs rounded weight shape on hook.
Owner beast hooks are my favorite for all swim baits, under spins and regular. The edge on trokar hooks cut the hell out of baits, owners are just as sharp if not sharper, and also keeps fish pinned better. Trokar are almost like a razor and cuts a bigger hole in the fish's mouth
I fish a 3.5 inch plastic swimbait al the time. The VMC 3/0 hook is the best because of the tungsten weight is smaller diameter. Also, when I first started fishing them I lost a lot of fish because I was fishing the wrong rod. I went to a 7 1/2 long rod with a medium heavy with a fast tip and it really helped my hook up ratio. On a five inch swim bait go to a 4/0 and so on. Try the 1/8 ounce for the 3/5 inch bait
Dan Brown. Tell me about it. I've been searching all over for a standard size chart. Maybe it's time someone makes one. The companies could start by putting in recommended hook set ups. Right on their packages
If you use a bit of super glue on the mounting screw spring the baits will last a lot longer. When I first started rigging them like this, 2-3 good strikes or one caught fish, and it would get pulled out. The superglue solved that. Also...screw it in almost as deep as it will go. Otherwise the opening on the screw can sometimes get latched into the tip top eyelet (I sometimes reel the lure all the way up when walking in between shore spots. I don't crank it in hard, but if I'm not paying too close attention, unless I consciously leave an inch of line out, it can happen). And then when you cast its backlash city and if you're lucky the bait stays on and doesn't for flying into the water off the hook.
The Eagle Claw Laser Sharp work great and is what I have been using. They hold on very well. I actually have trouble getting them out of the mouth of the bass. Very good hook for the price. Give them a try and you will see what I mean.
Today was the First time I used a Kaitech Swimbait I got one rigged up nicely with a Shakey head hook that I literally watched a Semi Pro fisherman get caught on a tree I walked into the water and got it out of the tree. I swapped out the hook for a Offset Rugby Hook . I did it like how you do here and I am impressed with these things. I was in a Serious Skunk this past week or so. That thing was putting more fish on the bank then my Whacky Senkos, Texas Yum Dingers, Craws, Frogs or anything else. I was getting a little disappointed here until this bait
Joe really like your channel. How do you choose the right weight? Also, when you add a weighted hook do you add the weight of the bait to the overall weight? I think I asked that question the correct way. I'll see how you respond. When you rigged the vmc. It seemed that the hook was a little far back. Do you use a rule of thumb. That the hook should come our before the tapper of the bait? And with the weight being so far back. That might cause a in natural presentation. Thanks for the great info
Thanks! For weight I kinda just "eyeball" it...I always like to error on the side of too light unless I am trying to get down fast. I dont think there is a "rule" for weight...just try a couple and the right one should be obvious. I do like to use a hook that stays in the thicker section...the bait seems to hold up better...ones that are too long seem to mess up the action. Thanks again.
Hi Joe, Did you ever do the follow up video for this, just wondering how those different hooks performed and what brand of minnows are those that you're using. Keitech or Zmans or another brand all together, seems to be the latest rage to throw big baits even over here at the moment.
@@capitolbassfishing good point. Depending on the thickness the original stresslevel is compromized. Think lifecycle might be shortened 5% on the thicker ones, more on thinner ones.
i think the size of the hook is the gage of wire the hook is made of, not the length or shape of the hook. That's why they have the same number but look larger or smaller with the same number.
And #BKK makes a great swim bait hook, weighted, unweighted and even with a blade. The cool part is, is that you can move the weight on the hook #bkkdiver and they also have bait keepers on the hook to keep the bait up tight on the shank of the hook. Check em out #BKKhooks
good advice although its hard to follow at times...sometimes hook setting is a reflex...ha ha. Thanks for the tip, I do use braid and I need to learn to just apply pressure and reel down. Thanks for watching.
Ill give you the answer to your problem,but cant finish this video. No matter the hook when they strike( DO NOT SET THE HOOK!!!!). You are literally yanking bait away from them. Continue reeling just as you were untill rod bends and gets heavy.and WALAW fish on.
No doubt...and every time I try to use one or the other to test I either get skunked or lose it on a snag. My new rule of thumb...buy what I think is best, then ultimately use whatever is in my tackle box at the time. Ha ha.
Hey Joe: Thanks so much for your analysis of Eagle Claw hooks applied to Keitech FAT baits. Seems like you are a stickler for details so I wanted to point out contrary to your green handwriting at the end , it was actually your LAZER SHARP 4/0 not 3/0 that you rightfully put on the yellow Keitech FAT 3.8" (May I add for your info: LAZER SHARP 3/0 works nicer than 4/0 on the RhythmWave skinnier 3.8" swimbait.)
Hey Shay: When it comes to hooks, manufacturers can and do use various wire diameters to make their various styles of 3/0 hooks. Yes, American Wire Gage AWG includes 3/0 or 000. But an uninsulated single strand of it is almost half an inch in diameter and an insulated multi-strand 3/0 or 000 cable is almost three quarters of an inch overall outer diameter.
You are fishing with the wrong line and rod. Any of the weedless hooks with the weight on them makes it even worse. Watching RUclips videos of people that catch fish on swimbaits will show you that you’re going at it all wrong. I started out where you are now and it was really pissing me off. I suggest you watch BassGeek since it is his favorite baits to fish.
Some useful info here, but this video is like too many others - put together very sloppily, so amateurish! If people are going to put videos here, let them try to develop a bit of technical proficiency - such as making sure the things they're describingt are actually in shot, and preparing properly so they don't fumble around...
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so, have you tried it?
valzerna The Trokar hooks seem to work best as they have a wide gap. I also really like the VMC hooks. 4.8" swimbaits seem to be the sweet spot. They can draw the big fish but are still small enough for the smaller fish to bite.
yes, i have the vmc hooks, but thanks to your video i found these Trokar hooks, i like the wider gap for the 5.8 fat swing impact. I mean, i never lost a pike with the VMCs , but sometimes the gap of a 7/0 vmc hook seems just to narrow compared to a Trokar on a Fat Swing... so, thank you for your video!
Thanks guys for watching - glad this helped
staying with Keitech, here's another weedless hook option:
www.dropbox.com/s/el3a2eh9eu9rcmb/Keitech%20on%20Freedom.jpeg?dl=0 www.dropbox.com/s/mb9kp9kzl58wara/Keitech%20on%20Freedom%20catches%20SMB.jpeg?dl=0
just looked at this, sweet setup, gonna try.
*These floats do what they say they do **enjoyable.fishing** recommend they come on and off easily and can be adjusted in seconds to adjust to the depth of the water you are fishing in. Used these with trout magnet lures and did really well with them in the stream!*
years ago i found that i was missing strikes on super flukes my solution to the problem was to bend the last part of the hook with the barb open more so the point of the hook is more straight to the bait. this can be done by grabbing the hook with pliers just after the main bend of the hook and increasing the space between the hook point and shank of the hook. or you can grab the bend of the hook and bend it away from the eye to open up the point as well.
i know this is from a while ago but hope it helps you or other people watching the video.
tight lines
dale
+Dale Stevens cool interesting rip, thanks!
Best description of swim bait, hook selection and rigging that I have ever seen. Thanks for the video. Just order some of that stuff from Tackle Warehouse.
Hi the weight placement on the hook determine on how the bait swims in water forward is more downward action , middle is subsurface, back is more up in water column
Robert Robertson oh cool didn’t know that
This was info I was looking for in a video. What does the weight shape do? I assume stability and speed of retrieve are key. Flat vs rounded weight shape on hook.
Your right Joe I love the Trokar for bigger baits I use the Beast hooks to make them perfect I replace the keeper with the Owner center pin keepers.👍
Owner beast hooks are my favorite for all swim baits, under spins and regular. The edge on trokar hooks cut the hell out of baits, owners are just as sharp if not sharper, and also keeps fish pinned better. Trokar are almost like a razor and cuts a bigger hole in the fish's mouth
Thanks mate for sharing this great and informative video, greetings from the Netherlands and bless you man, Pat.
👊🏼🎣👍🏼🎣🤘🏼🎣🇳🇱
Bless you and the Netherlands!
I fish a 3.5 inch plastic swimbait al the time. The VMC 3/0 hook is the best because of the tungsten weight is smaller diameter. Also, when I first started fishing them I lost a lot of fish because I was fishing the wrong rod. I went to a 7 1/2 long rod with a medium heavy with a fast tip and it really helped my hook up ratio. On a five inch swim bait go to a 4/0 and so on. Try the 1/8 ounce for the 3/5 inch bait
seriously good tips! thank you. Always willing to learn...
@@capitolbassfishing nice video bro
Hey Joe check the last hook you showed, the one with the aggressive back angel, it looks like some of the tube hooks I have seen.
The omtd? Yeah I see what you mean.
I wish there was some kind of standard for hook sizes. Thanks for the explanation, at least for these brands!
The Danerator Ismael is malware
Dan Brown. Tell me about it. I've been searching all over for a standard size chart. Maybe it's time someone makes one. The companies could start by putting in recommended hook set ups. Right on their packages
Great comparison video most Trokar are EWG witch is a style of hooks,Extra Wide Gap.The Eagle claw is a Kayle style hook.👍🎣
James Scarberry I didn't know that, thanks...it can be tough to navigate all the different hook types for sure.
Joe Simpson Thanks, it is confusing and overwhelming. That’s why I stick with 1 brand and learn their styles and sizes, keep em coming!
Set the hook sideways with a swimbait always helps me hook up, never hurts to try
If you use a bit of super glue on the mounting screw spring the baits will last a lot longer. When I first started rigging them like this, 2-3 good strikes or one caught fish, and it would get pulled out. The superglue solved that.
Also...screw it in almost as deep as it will go. Otherwise the opening on the screw can sometimes get latched into the tip top eyelet (I sometimes reel the lure all the way up when walking in between shore spots. I don't crank it in hard, but if I'm not paying too close attention, unless I consciously leave an inch of line out, it can happen). And then when you cast its backlash city and if you're lucky the bait stays on and doesn't for flying into the water off the hook.
1974124sport thanks good tip!
The Eagle Claw Laser Sharp work great and is what I have been using. They hold on very well. I actually have trouble getting them out of the mouth of the bass. Very good hook for the price. Give them a try and you will see what I mean.
+Steve Sigler yep those are good ones for sure
Cut the belly of the swim bait and it will give you a channel for the hook to slide into when a fish bites and tam hat will give you a better hook up
Vmc Allso has a weighted hook with move able weight for swimming action ( on your reply )
Today was the First time I used a Kaitech Swimbait I got one rigged up nicely with a Shakey head hook that I literally watched a Semi Pro fisherman get caught on a tree I walked into the water and got it out of the tree. I swapped out the hook for a Offset Rugby Hook . I did it like how you do here and I am impressed with these things. I was in a Serious Skunk this past week or so. That thing was putting more fish on the bank then my Whacky Senkos, Texas Yum Dingers, Craws, Frogs or anything else. I was getting a little disappointed here until this bait
Rob P yeah for sure, when they work they work!
Joe really like your channel. How do you choose the right weight? Also, when you add a weighted hook do you add the weight of the bait to the overall weight? I think I asked that question the correct way. I'll see how you respond. When you rigged the vmc. It seemed that the hook was a little far back. Do you use a rule of thumb. That the hook should come our before the tapper of the bait? And with the weight being so far back. That might cause a in natural presentation. Thanks for the great info
Thanks! For weight I kinda just "eyeball" it...I always like to error on the side of too light unless I am trying to get down fast. I dont think there is a "rule" for weight...just try a couple and the right one should be obvious. I do like to use a hook that stays in the thicker section...the bait seems to hold up better...ones that are too long seem to mess up the action. Thanks again.
Hi Joe, Did you ever do the follow up video for this, just wondering how those different hooks performed and what brand of minnows are those that you're using. Keitech or Zmans or another brand all together, seems to be the latest rage to throw big baits even over here at the moment.
trokar and VMC are ending up to be my favorite
Shout out to Steve MRE
Thank u for this video exactly what i needed
Glad it was helpful!
did you try any of Owners weighted hooks with the keitech 4.5"?
Ira Cohen not yet do you use those?
@@capitolbassfishing i used them on swim baits. The hook up as a 100%... Unless they hit the tail.
Why not heat up The Hook and bend down the angle in level for your baits?
would that weaken it?
@@capitolbassfishing good point. Depending on the thickness the original stresslevel is compromized. Think lifecycle might be shortened 5% on the thicker ones, more on thinner ones.
Don’t heat it.
i think the size of the hook is the gage of wire the hook is made of, not the length or shape of the hook. That's why they have the same number but look larger or smaller with the same number.
That makes sense and explains a lot
And #BKK makes a great swim bait hook, weighted, unweighted and even with a blade. The cool part is, is that you can move the weight on the hook #bkkdiver and they also have bait keepers on the hook to keep the bait up tight on the shank of the hook. Check em out #BKKhooks
Great tutorial Joe!
An education much appreciated.
Thank You!
+Peter Bukta I didn’t draw any conclusions or bring much to closure on at least it gives you an idea of some of the variations
Gamakatsus are my go too.
4/0 owner beast hook paired with 4.8 keitech you can't beat
+Jacob Grace I think you’re right. It’s a great all around size!
what color is the biggest 6 inch lure ?
I think its electric shad
bro how much for 4 inch minnow
Depends
Ya want a bigger bite gap, use Owner Beast hooks
I think youre correct
What kind of line are you using? IF braid or Firewire, do not set the hook or it will pull away from the fish or rip through it.
good advice although its hard to follow at times...sometimes hook setting is a reflex...ha ha. Thanks for the tip, I do use braid and I need to learn to just apply pressure and reel down. Thanks for watching.
I really like trokar hooks
they look like harpoons, they are good!
I use owners. Superior hook.
LET'S GET THIS OUT ON A TRAY.... NICE! 💪🏼
Ill give you the answer to your problem,but cant finish this video.
No matter the hook when they strike( DO NOT SET THE HOOK!!!!).
You are literally yanking bait away from them.
Continue reeling just as you were untill rod bends and gets heavy.and WALAW fish on.
It's not WALAW.... its viola
@@TimTrOn3000 voila
The tor kar hooks has a 4 sided point
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
so the great hook debate continues , that's why there's 100s of 'em out there
No doubt...and every time I try to use one or the other to test I either get skunked or lose it on a snag. My new rule of thumb...buy what I think is best, then ultimately use whatever is in my tackle box at the time. Ha ha.
definitely like any rig with the cork screw wire over traditional types though. Thats for sure, and the bigger the screw the better.
As far as I know, the size of the hook is the overall length, not the size of the gap.
Traditionally, it’s the gap but with EWG’s, companies have each varied the gaps
good video. just got 5 packs of kietechs.
chapo Garcia thx, one of my favorite lures...
Hey Joe: Thanks so much for your analysis of Eagle Claw hooks applied to Keitech FAT baits. Seems like you are a stickler for details so I wanted to point out contrary to your green handwriting at the end , it was actually your LAZER SHARP 4/0 not 3/0 that you rightfully put on the yellow Keitech FAT 3.8" (May I add for your info: LAZER SHARP 3/0 works nicer than 4/0 on the RhythmWave skinnier 3.8" swimbait.)
Larry Moffatt awesome thanks for the correction
3/0 is the thickness of the wire of the hook
Hey Shay: When it comes to hooks, manufacturers can and do use various wire diameters to make their various styles of 3/0 hooks. Yes, American Wire Gage AWG includes 3/0 or 000. But an uninsulated single strand of it is almost half an inch in diameter and an insulated multi-strand 3/0 or 000 cable is almost three quarters of an inch overall outer diameter.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, Don’t comment. Ignorant info only confuses people.
Good stuff 👍🏻
Thx
Gamakatsus are my go too. Check out tackle anything channel & look up the video hooks matter. Helped me out alot.
Miguel Velez thanks I'll check it out
You are fishing with the wrong line and rod. Any of the weedless hooks with the weight on them makes it even worse. Watching RUclips videos of people that catch fish on swimbaits will show you that you’re going at it all wrong. I started out where you are now and it was really pissing me off. I suggest you watch BassGeek since it is his favorite baits to fish.
my research showed they is no standard for fishing hooks, all is controlled my manufacturer.
One problem is you’re only fishing swimbaits seedless. Switch up to exposed hooks if you’re in open water.
Do you rig a seedless swimbait when you go fishing in a grassland?
@@-star_27-20 yes. I may use an exposed hook with a weed guard though
I love seedless
@@LinezWet yeah, seedless here too. I hate seeds. They get stuck in my teeth...
tty
Some useful info here, but this video is like too many others - put together very sloppily, so amateurish! If people are going to put videos here, let them try to develop a bit of technical proficiency - such as making sure the things they're describingt are actually in shot, and preparing properly so they don't fumble around...
+Anton Dupin 👍
Swimsuits????????? Get your mind out of the gutter dude!! LOL
Yep 👍 swimsuits!
@@capitolbassfishing Hehe, right on dude!
It not hooking up cause of shape and where wieght is on hook get hooks with wieght closer to eye so when fish bites it plastic doesn't hit wieght
Always bend your hook up alittle AND TEXSPOSE IT. I lost fish alot till I did it. IT WORKS GREAT. Ewg
Good tip!