You kind of have to do that by feel as different belts will have a different amount of give. Like this blue gates belt is stiffer than an oem belt. And a lot of oe replacement belts are more flexible than the oem belt.
@@PowerRevRacing Yes, thank you. I figured that. Since I recently did my oem timing belt, pulleys, tensioner. Im going with blue gates as replacement. Oe is too soft. Just wanted to see a video explaining this. I'm sure some people don't know the info you just gave me.
I would love to have that P2R tensioner but boy are they pricey for what they’re made of and the design as a disabled military veteran it hurts my budget 😢
@@rosieclark3661 I recently replaced to the p2r tensioner and blue gates timing belt after after 3 oil changes into the oem parts. I am impressed in the quality, best purchase. Install was the same. Orm belt is too soft for the 3.7L and Im not a fan of the hydraulic tensioner.
0:13 Take notice people... Especially you amateur "ill just do it myself" mechanics. See how hes starting it BY HAND before putting his power tool to it...This will prevent stripping and crossthreading that mounting location. Will also prevent a lot of issue down the line, Like an exorbitant bill because every bolt on your car is cross threaded like it was build by a carpenter who never learned a thing about metal.
I recently installed a new timing belt in my 2003 accord v6. Now the car doesn't start. Only turns over. I haven't tested spark and fuel yet, but logic would dictate that timing is the issue since that is what I messed with. Your video confirms the belt is installed correctly. All marks are still lined up. My friend is trying to tell me that there is more than one way for a car to be at TDC. If the engine is not at the top of the compression stroke. No J series video I've watched on this has talked about what phase of the stroke the car needs to be in. TDC is TDC it seems on these. Do you have thoughts on this? Thank you.
With the cams do you have to just line them up to the marks and the crank to the crank mark? My belt got slank accidentally removed the tensioner removing the cover and did the turn and realized the belt was slack so how do I realign my timing so I don't mess up my V6 3.0!?
Yes! This is fantastic! I can clearly see all the parts that makeup the frontend. It is difficult to put it all together when you see someone working on just one item in the car. Beautiful coverage of the timing marks and their location. Thanks.
Good! Everyone says you shouldn't move it.. you should mark it. . when the actual truth was that it was already marked and it should be set this way at the beginning. Nobody tells you either that you have to turn it twice.. Thank you! Would you say that anyone could do it on their first try then?
You seem skilled at the job, have a good delivery/flow, but I have to admit I cringed watching you tighten the bolts w/o a good torque wrench... I admire you ability to admit you over tightened one bolt; why not just button things up with a torque wrench? Thanks.
Everything is actually torqued to spec but didn't realize that it wasn't put into this video. I always under tighten by hand and finish with torque wrench. This video was put together pulling footage from our J35Z2 engine build video series. So the content was split up between the two.
The fact that HONDA cheapened out on these when their competition has been using timing chains ages ago is beyond me! Even their "supposed" bread & butter 3.0L turbo V6 of today is still using timing belts... like wth Honda!?!?
Lol when I read TB my mind automatically went to Throttle Body I was like what does the Timing Belt has to do with the throttle body then it clicked haha
love the idea of the manual tensioner. this is more convenient than the ones you have to compress and insert the pin. great video sean. these videos are really educational for us j series guys
YOU ARE THE MAN BRO I have a 3.0l engine with a misaligned timing by 2 teeths I just received the belt and about to reinstall. I was unsure how to proceed because it is my first time removing an engine and doing a timing belt so I am grateful to you for this
Plastic spring clips help keep the belt on the cam sprockets. When doing this in car, install Tensioner plunger FIRST, then Tensioner pulley LAST, after the belt - much easier to access the Tensioner plunger bolts. Jam a plastic trim tool or similar against the belt to wedge it against the crank, if you have the belt bracket there. If NOT (like in the video, use a plastic spring clip to pinch the belt above the crank while you thread the belt around the cam sprockets. Stay gold.
I would like to ask you a question. I would like to convert a 2008 Ody with the j35a7 engine hydraulic belt tensioner to a spring loaded one like the j35z8 engine. I am thinking to buy the compressor bracket and a tensioner from a 2013 Ody to make the change. However I am not sure if this would work. any idea? I see the belt length is the same for both cars. The compressor is identical, the alternator is the same except the pulley has the cluth on 2011. I figured that I will need some different bolts. What do you think?
Started doing a belt job. I didn't put the key back in after removing the balancer. Started turning it over and wondering why my belt and gears weren't moving. FFS Hopefully I didn't bend a valve cranking it over with my ratchet...
When he said " remove the lower bolt on the timing belt tensioner in order to get the belt on" I felt that...... With the factory Honda timing belt tensioner, I could not get the belt on without loosening the lower bolt thank you
Replaced my tensioner when I did the timing belt and water pump. After driving it around for a bit the timing belt has jumped by what seems to be one tooth causes a misfire condition. Besides a faulty tensioner is there anything else that can cause the timing to jump?
I'm was trying to do the timing belt change on a 2013 Honda Odyssey 3.5. After getting all the covers and parts removed, I mistakenly pulled the key that connects the lower shaft to the lower timing belt sprocket. Then I proceeded to try and align the tabs for TDC but realized that the timing belt wasn't moving because I removed the key. I was moving the lower drive shaft separately from the upper camshafts Have I ruined my engine? I can't remember how many rotations I made to mis align the lower drive shaft and upper cam shafts. I used an adjustable wrench to align the shaft and sprocket. A new engine is $3k about what the car is worth. I'm feeling sick to my stomach now.
If you didn't start it up You should be able to just put back in the key. Line everything up . And be back up and running. As long as you didn't bend any valves.
You forgot to put the belt cover over the crank gear too. That holds the belt in place and wouldn’t need a second person. Also, bad advice to tell people about loosening rocker bolts, they could forget and destroy their engine. Bro..
4:01 If you have one a clamp can be used here or on the other side to assist a solo person. Just be mindful not to overtighten it and damage the belt material. You only need a tiny bit of pressure to hold it in place to not slip.
I'm a recent subscriber just going through some of your videos this one's especially nice because I just recently did this to my 07 Accord but I didn't know about the manual tensions. I put in one of the hydraulic tensioners. Also, you have the clear timing belt covers in clear black and gold I would like to have mine in blue to match my car. Do think you could make it happen? One more thing could you do some deep drives into the actual tuning maybe for performance or maybe for fuel economy? Thanks love the videos!!!
Oh, well no biggie. As soon as I finish the Blue Accord and sell it I'm starting on a 2007 Ruby Red Accord for me. Transparent red would look good on it!!!
There is a mark on the crank gear that lines up with an arrow on the oil pump. I didn't realize we never showed that in the video. We will release a new video showing more details on timing belt installation.
Your not torqueing bolts is one more reason I never let auto mechanics touch my vehicles...and thiers a strong reason for torqueing each bolt ..but who cares it's out the door
I agree with you. Every bolt on an engine should be torqued to spec. Which is something that we do on every engine we assemble here. This video is supposed to be a reference for the process of how to do the timing belt, and I made the decision not to use a torque wrench in the video to keep it simple for people to see how they can do easily themselves. But in the end, I guess that was a bad decision on my part.
hi- i wonder if you know how many revolutions of the crankshaft for 1 full timing sequence- I inadvertently turned my crankshaft with the timing belt off- i had both cam sprockets timing set but turned the crankshaft sprocket two revolutions
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Now explain how tight and how to adjust the Manuel Tensioner should be for the timing belt.
You kind of have to do that by feel as different belts will have a different amount of give. Like this blue gates belt is stiffer than an oem belt. And a lot of oe replacement belts are more flexible than the oem belt.
@@PowerRevRacing Yes, thank you. I figured that. Since I recently did my oem timing belt, pulleys, tensioner. Im going with blue gates as replacement. Oe is too soft. Just wanted to see a video explaining this. I'm sure some people don't know the info you just gave me.
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I would love to have that P2R tensioner but boy are they pricey for what they’re made of and the design as a disabled military veteran it hurts my budget 😢
@@rosieclark3661 I recently replaced to the p2r tensioner and blue gates timing belt after after 3 oil changes into the oem parts. I am impressed in the quality, best purchase. Install was the same. Orm belt is too soft for the 3.7L and Im not a fan of the hydraulic tensioner.
0:13 Take notice people... Especially you amateur "ill just do it myself" mechanics. See how hes starting it BY HAND before putting his power tool to it...This will prevent stripping and crossthreading that mounting location. Will also prevent a lot of issue down the line, Like an exorbitant bill because every bolt on your car is cross threaded like it was build by a carpenter who never learned a thing about metal.
Definitely an easier job than doing it in the car.
Except it has to be out of the car 1st? It’s actually easy in the car too
@@ESP-Collectibles What are you on about?
I recently installed a new timing belt in my 2003 accord v6. Now the car doesn't start. Only turns over. I haven't tested spark and fuel yet, but logic would dictate that timing is the issue since that is what I messed with. Your video confirms the belt is installed correctly. All marks are still lined up. My friend is trying to tell me that there is more than one way for a car to be at TDC. If the engine is not at the top of the compression stroke. No J series video I've watched on this has talked about what phase of the stroke the car needs to be in. TDC is TDC it seems on these. Do you have thoughts on this? Thank you.
With the cams do you have to just line them up to the marks and the crank to the crank mark? My belt got slank accidentally removed the tensioner removing the cover and did the turn and realized the belt was slack so how do I realign my timing so I don't mess up my V6 3.0!?
Yes! This is fantastic! I can clearly see all the parts that makeup the frontend. It is difficult to put it all together when you see someone working on just one item in the car. Beautiful coverage of the timing marks and their location. Thanks.
my timing belt is broken, how to align front camshaft, rear camshaft and crankshaft to top dead center (TDC)
Good! Everyone says you shouldn't move it.. you should mark it. . when the actual truth was that it was already marked and it should be set this way at the beginning. Nobody tells you either that you have to turn it twice..
Thank you!
Would you say that anyone could do it on their first try then?
Thanks for the video! Helped me tons on a 2012 Honda pilot doing the timing belt.
Glad it helped!
You seem skilled at the job, have a good delivery/flow, but I have to admit I cringed watching you tighten the bolts w/o a good torque wrench... I admire you ability to admit you over tightened one bolt; why not just button things up with a torque wrench? Thanks.
Everything is actually torqued to spec but didn't realize that it wasn't put into this video. I always under tighten by hand and finish with torque wrench. This video was put together pulling footage from our J35Z2 engine build video series. So the content was split up between the two.
Thanks. Going by how clean and organized the shop is, the same for the block and heads, and your attention to timing detail this makes sense.
Still recording dude 🤣🤣
Crankshaft TDC mark you didnt show it were is it salutes 664
The fact that HONDA cheapened out on these when their competition has been using timing chains ages ago is beyond me! Even their "supposed" bread & butter 3.0L turbo V6 of today is still using timing belts... like wth Honda!?!?
this is also an awesome basic overview for someone considering doing their own stock TB change
Lol when I read TB my mind automatically went to Throttle Body I was like what does the Timing Belt has to do with the throttle body then it clicked haha
include the torque specs in your video please
We are making a new timing belt video next week, which will include all the torque specs.
love the idea of the manual tensioner. this is more convenient than the ones you have to compress and insert the pin. great video sean. these videos are really educational for us j series guys
Manual tensioner is a horrible idea. The belt streches over time and youre constantly adjusting it. Zero failures on a hydraulic tensioner.
Overall, Great videos. Keep them coming.
Thanks for these how to videos 👍🏼
Thank you very helpful
Pro tip: it’s easier to do this job if you put the tensioner on after you route the belt. Especially if the engine is in the car
the best video for the j series timing belt install
Who makes that aftermarket tensioner, and where can I buy it?
powerrevracing.com/products/p2r-j-series-manual-billet-timing-belt-tensioner?_pos=1&_sid=2349f5e1b&_ss=r&variant=43686615449885
YOU ARE THE MAN BRO
I have a 3.0l engine with a misaligned timing by 2 teeths
I just received the belt and about to reinstall. I was unsure how to proceed because it is my first time removing an engine and doing a timing belt so I am grateful to you for this
Plastic spring clips help keep the belt on the cam sprockets. When doing this in car, install Tensioner plunger FIRST, then Tensioner pulley LAST, after the belt - much easier to access the Tensioner plunger bolts.
Jam a plastic trim tool or similar against the belt to wedge it against the crank, if you have the belt bracket there. If NOT (like in the video, use a plastic spring clip to pinch the belt above the crank while you thread the belt around the cam sprockets.
Stay gold.
I would like to ask you a question. I would like to convert a 2008 Ody with the j35a7 engine hydraulic belt tensioner to a spring loaded one like the j35z8 engine. I am thinking to buy the compressor bracket and a tensioner from a 2013 Ody to make the change. However I am not sure if this would work. any idea? I see the belt length is the same for both cars. The compressor is identical, the alternator is the same except the pulley has the cluth on 2011. I figured that I will need some different bolts. What do you think?
Started doing a belt job.
I didn't put the key back in after removing the balancer.
Started turning it over and wondering why my belt and gears weren't moving.
FFS
Hopefully I didn't bend a valve cranking it over with my ratchet...
When he said " remove the lower bolt on the timing belt tensioner in order to get the belt on" I felt that...... With the factory Honda timing belt tensioner, I could not get the belt on without loosening the lower bolt thank you
This is a nice part
I needed this 🙌
Replaced my tensioner when I did the timing belt and water pump. After driving it around for a bit the timing belt has jumped by what seems to be one tooth causes a misfire condition. Besides a faulty tensioner is there anything else that can cause the timing to jump?
I'm was trying to do the timing belt change on a 2013 Honda Odyssey 3.5. After getting all the covers and parts removed, I mistakenly pulled the key that connects the lower shaft to the lower timing belt sprocket. Then I proceeded to try and align the tabs for TDC but realized that the timing belt wasn't moving because I removed the key. I was moving the lower drive shaft separately from the upper camshafts
Have I ruined my engine? I can't remember how many rotations I made to mis align the lower drive shaft and upper cam shafts. I used an adjustable wrench to align the shaft and sprocket. A new engine is $3k about what the car is worth. I'm feeling sick to my stomach now.
If you didn't start it up
You should be able to just put back in the key. Line everything up . And be back up and running. As long as you didn't bend any valves.
Had a pulley bolt snap in the block how tight should the tensioner be????? And why would a pulley bolt snap in the motor????
Over torqued the bolt? Or bolt needing replacing. We supply a new bolt in our timing belt kits.
You forgot to put the belt cover over the crank gear too. That holds the belt in place and wouldn’t need a second person. Also, bad advice to tell people about loosening rocker bolts, they could forget and destroy their engine. Bro..
All right, second timing belt change on my daily TL, 300,000 miles here we go !
Hope it all goes well.
4:01 If you have one a clamp can be used here or on the other side to assist a solo person. Just be mindful not to overtighten it and damage the belt material. You only need a tiny bit of pressure to hold it in place to not slip.
Agreed. But it is tough when trying to stand out of the way of the camera :) lol Something I have been getting better at.
whats belt durability like with that kind of geometry?
That's great ❤ please can i get your content
What kind of oil would you recommend for the J series in the TLX? Currently running Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w20!
Just use mobile full synthetic extended performance 0W-20
Wish it was this easy installed in the car 😂
I'm a recent subscriber just going through some of your videos this one's especially nice because I just recently did this to my 07 Accord but I didn't know about the manual tensions. I put in one of the hydraulic tensioners. Also, you have the clear timing belt covers in clear black and gold I would like to have mine in blue to match my car. Do think you could make it happen? One more thing could you do some deep drives into the actual tuning maybe for performance or maybe for fuel economy? Thanks love the videos!!!
I'm glad to hear you have been enjoying the videos. As far as the transparent timing covers. We can't make blue, unfortunately.
Oh, well no biggie. As soon as I finish the Blue Accord and sell it I'm starting on a 2007 Ruby Red Accord for me. Transparent red would look good on it!!!
What’s different between the p2r tensioner and the oem is it worth paying extra for a black one🤣
P2r is adjustable factory is preset
Hi! Why when i turn the cam it spins past the mark? Thanks
If you plan to do a valve adjustment after you do your timing belt. You can loosen or tighten the screws to help hold the cam gear in place.
How many camshaft position sensors does a 2004 acura tl have?
1
Great video
Would this work for a Ridgeline 2007?
Yes
I tried doing this but the rest of the car got in the way.
Lol. Not a fun job in the car.
How do I know when the piston is top dead center
There is a mark on the crank gear that lines up with an arrow on the oil pump. I didn't realize we never showed that in the video. We will release a new video showing more details on timing belt installation.
Is it worth the manual timing belt adjuster for a daily driver?
I think so. It's cheaper than buying an oem honda tensioner. And mkst of the oe replacement tensioners suck.
how much do you tighten the manual tensioner
This fits automatics or manual only?
This fits both automatic and manual engines. Its called a manual tensioner because you manually set the belt tension.
Thank u bro
Your not torqueing bolts is one more reason I never let auto mechanics touch my vehicles...and thiers a strong reason for torqueing each bolt ..but who cares it's out the door
I agree with you. Every bolt on an engine should be torqued to spec. Which is something that we do on every engine we assemble here. This video is supposed to be a reference for the process of how to do the timing belt, and I made the decision not to use a torque wrench in the video to keep it simple for people to see how they can do easily themselves. But in the end, I guess that was a bad decision on my part.
hi- i wonder if you know how many revolutions of the crankshaft for 1 full timing sequence- I inadvertently turned my crankshaft with the timing belt off- i had both cam sprockets timing set but turned the crankshaft sprocket two revolutions