WiiM Mini and SMSL Su-1 Dac. Hi Def Streaming for Less!

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @AshtonCoolman
    @AshtonCoolman 2 месяца назад +1

    The SU-1 makes this setup probably the best budget combo on the market

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  2 месяца назад +2

      Yes Listen to it every day. Still love the Sound.

  • @gwine9087
    @gwine9087 Год назад +5

    I bought the Mini as I was not sure if I wanted to be bothered with streaming (I don't use a service, I just wanted to stream my own music to my system). After listening to it, and being impressed, I decided to go the next step and buy the SU-1. Now, I am very impressed.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  Год назад +2

      Awesome! I'm really rediscovering my music since picking up this set up. By the way, I heart radio does high definition streams for free.

    • @gwine9087
      @gwine9087 Год назад

      @@cashwise7614 Cheers!

  • @byronvisiado09
    @byronvisiado09 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for taking the time to explain how to hook it up to an external DAC. None of the other videos that I watched went into how to do that even if they talked about doing it.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  10 месяцев назад

      Your welcome.
      Glad you found my video helpful.
      Happy listening!!

  • @RoyFJ65
    @RoyFJ65 5 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent combination and this will go head to toe with hyped high $$$$ systems.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  5 месяцев назад +1

      I've been using this set up for a few months now. Listening with Tidal high def enjoying my music more than ever.

  • @Ireland-bc2gx
    @Ireland-bc2gx 19 дней назад

    Great video just ordered the su1👍

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  19 дней назад

      Thanks! I really like the sound Hope you Like it!

  • @jemsmay2167
    @jemsmay2167 24 дня назад

    Just did very similar last week; mini into a SU-1 via optical, RCA to my trusty (and recently cleaned and recapped) 1978 Kenwood receiver which is pushing my beloved large Advents. The steaming sound is much improved over the mini alone and has a modern detailed sound with big soundstage to my ears. Best thing is, I get great sound streaming but still get the familiar warm full sound when playing vinyl as this does not go thru the SU-1. All in for $130 after grabbing both the WiiM and the DAC on sale. Tip: use the WiiM app EQ to shape the sound to your room and system.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  23 дня назад

      yes very similar to my experience really enjoying all my music again! Happy Hi Def Streaming!

  • @superspeeder
    @superspeeder 5 месяцев назад

    I was using the headphone out on my pc into a mini TEAC AM/FM receiver to drive my Energy RC Mini desktop speakers, and a cheap plate amp running a home-made sub. This setup improved dramatically when I built a new computer in 2019, proving to me that the signal path does indeed affect sound quality (new motherboard had much higher quality sound processing).
    Earlier this year I upgraded the sub plate amp to the Dayton DTA-100LF and noticed the bass tighten up nicely. Started reading…
    Enter the Fosi P3 preamp and V3 stereo amp for my RC Minis and wow, immediately noticed a big increase in clarity! Followed that up with the SU-1 DAC and my desktop is actually starting to sound quite “bright” considering my treble controls are still at neutral.
    Most normal people would not consider this a “cheap” setup, but I think it sounds incredible considering what it is. These RC Minis are incredibly clear when driven with a good signal, and listening really is a joy.
    I’d be interested if you noticed a change using a V3 or similar “high-value” class D amp in place of your receiver amp?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  5 месяцев назад +1

      Interesting setup and as you said at a great price. I find it hard to believe that One of the low-cost stereo amps would have better sound than the denon AV receiver, but it would be interesting to test it.
      Now you need to get some floor standing speakers to hear that dac really shine.

    • @superspeeder
      @superspeeder 5 месяцев назад

      @@cashwise7614 confession: I’ve already “upgraded” to a pair of V3 Mono amps from the original V3 I got last year. There was a slight change in the sound, it feels a bit “bigger” now, but I’m not a serious enough listener to really quantify the difference. I just like the idea of monoblock amps. Guilty!
      I’m not suggesting a budget class-D amp (or amps) would be an upgrade over your current setup, but given your channel name and your recent look at (and positive impression of) two of the most popular high-value low-dollar “audiophile” products on the market right now, plugging a V3 or similar budget amp into your system would be an interesting exercise. If anything, it would take up less space!
      One of the things I’ve heard fairly consistently about the V3 vs. V3 Mono is that the Mono has improved control in the bass region. Nobody seems to talk about Damping Factor anymore, that was a thing with Class AB amps back in my car audio days, but perhaps that’s a factor with the Monos? Just a guess.
      I have a HT setup with Energy RC-50 mains, RC-10 surrounds, and an RC-LCR center. I’m thinking about hooking the RC-50s up to my desktop setup just to see how they do. They’re not big towers by yesteryear standards, but they have two 5” woofers in vented floor standing cabinets. The tweeter in the full-size RCs is something they were really noted for back in the day, so I’m very curious how they’ll sound.
      Who knows… maybe the RC-10 bookshelves will end up crowding my desktop! lol. Thanks for your feedback.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  5 месяцев назад +1

      @@superspeeder yes I should test one of those amps
      hi def streaming with good speakers has the most impact on the sound. but you can get 95% audiophile Soud without spending a fortune.
      When I was listening thu my alexa connected to the same amp and speakers the sound which I thought was good was muddy and bland compared to listening to a high def feed with my wiim and Dac with the same amp and speakers.

    • @superspeeder
      @superspeeder 5 месяцев назад

      @@cashwise7614 looking forward to your future audio endeavours! 👍

  • @crazyprayingmantis5596
    @crazyprayingmantis5596 Год назад +6

    2 of the biggest bang for buck gadgets in home audio

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  Год назад

      I agree

    • @deanle604
      @deanle604 8 месяцев назад

      SU1. So noisy compared with wiim pro plus.

  • @Beyondabsence
    @Beyondabsence 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great to find your channel! Subscribed! Perhaps I'm considered an audiophile on a moderate budget. I bought an SMSL M8 a long time ago and still enjoy it. I believe that for an incremental change I'd have to spend way more US$200. Perhaps I'm wrong. Have you considered another DAC that you think might beat the SMSL in an obvious way?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks for your comments and subscribing.
      When I bought the Wii mini and SMSL DAC I wasn't even sure if it would improve my sound. I have been pleasantly surprised and I'm really enjoying listening to music through this setup.
      There are a lot of other great dacs out there but this one has been reviewed by many to be the best at the price point. You might be interested in this video from cheapaudio man
      he compares quite a few. I still have a hard time buying a dac that costs more than my entire sound system but definitely would like to test a few more probably mid-ranged dacs
      Maybe if my channel gets big enough I can get some vendors to let me test their equipment.
      ruclips.net/video/xmSPb5GNk98/видео.htmlsi=7sWgIBskCw_8NEeZ

  • @DP-qp8wr
    @DP-qp8wr 5 месяцев назад +1

    Definitely there is improvement 👍

  • @TOMMYBOY6969
    @TOMMYBOY6969 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for this video, I watched so many reviews on DACs, and no one posted any music playbacks comparisons except you. I use Spodify and play through a cheap 30$ Bluetooth Audio Adapter into my amplifier. I have been on the fence weather i should spend this exact combo like you, or even go with the WIIM pro and SMSL combo ?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  11 месяцев назад +2

      Glad you found my video helpful. I was playing through an alexa dot directly to my receiver.
      I was skeptical as to whether I would hear much difference but I will tell you on the high def streams it definitely sounds better to my ear.
      No going back for me.

    • @TOMMYBOY6969
      @TOMMYBOY6969 11 месяцев назад

      @@cashwise7614 I just picked up the SMSL SU-1 DAC and the WIIM mini. Couldnt be more happy. With no DAC, the music has a very narrow sound stage. With the SMSL DAC, the sound stage is wider and each instrument comes through to my ears rather than bunched up together. Good bang for the buck !

  • @Douglas_Blake_579
    @Douglas_Blake_579 4 месяца назад

    Caveat Emptor ... The SU-1 DAC is a pretty good sounding device. But the USB input is not fully UAC2 (USB Audio Class 2) compatible and if used with Windows computers it will shut down your onscreen volume slider and the multi-media keys on your keyboard. You can still adjust volume with the controls in your media player, but all other windows sounds will be at 100% full volume.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  4 месяца назад

      I have to take your word on that. In my setup the deck is connected to my streamer and then to my receiver and the volume on the receiver works.
      I can also adjust the volume on the Wii mini app of the output. But I honestly have not tried hooking to my computer.

    • @Douglas_Blake_579
      @Douglas_Blake_579 4 месяца назад

      @@cashwise7614
      No worries. It is only when connecting to the USB input from a computer that the problem becomes apparent.
      When you plug a device into a USB port, there's a bunch of back and forth about "what can you do" and "here's what I need" that takes place. The computer then has the task of finding and installing a suitable driver for the device.
      In the case of USB Audio, there are two defined classes UAC1 and UAC2. In UAC1 a DAC is expected to handle PCM speeds up to 96k samples per second and 24 bit sample sizes. In UAC2 that range is open-endedly expanded beyond 384ksps and 32bits, so it is far more capable. Obviously this takes two different sets of drivers.
      Now comes the part people don't get ... in both UAC classes, the "volume mixer" that lets you set relative levels for each of your devices exists in software inside the operating system. BUT (and it's a big "BUT") the Master Volume that controls everything is in the DAC itself, to control it's final output to an amplifier. That slider on your screen and the buttons on your keyboard (as well as remote controls, and audio interfaces) actually manipulate the Master Volume, not the system's internal mixer. That is... they are turning the DAC itself up and down.
      In the SU-1 and PS200 (and probably other SMSL DACs too) they have not implemented the DAC's Master Volume control and simply left it at maximum output. Leaving you with no control over how loud things get.
      (And FWIW I found this out the hard way. Any idea how loud that little "Test" button on Windows Sound applet is through a 140 watt per channel system?? ... I darned near crapped myself!)
      The reason I brought this up is that the most common use-case for these nice little DACs is in PC fed home theatre stereos and desktop audio setups, so it is likely that some of your viewers will run into this problem.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  4 месяца назад +1

      @@Douglas_Blake_579 good information

  • @minisynthmaniac
    @minisynthmaniac 11 месяцев назад +1

    I am using either an old Chromecast 2 or the Xiaomi TV Stick 4K through the SMSL Su-1 for streaming audio and and get the same sound for even cheaper 👍🏻

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  11 месяцев назад +2

      Interesting. I hadn't thought of that.
      My question is how does it connect to the dac? via Bluetooth? If so, that would probably degrade the sound quality some.

    • @minisynthmaniac
      @minisynthmaniac 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@cashwise7614 no, Bluetooth would kill all purpose and sound much inferior. I use an HDMI audio extractor with an optical out, and connect this to the dac's optical input. There should be no loss in the digital signal quality.

  • @pjeffries301
    @pjeffries301 Год назад +2

    The Wiim Pro plus is 230, you get hi res stream + DAC and remote with really nice eq. Its a better deal in my mind even with the extra 60 bucks and sounds just as good if not better.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  Год назад +2

      That's another good option and eliminates a little of the complexity. However, most online reviewers including one I trust cheapaudioman. are finding that the smsl DAC is superior to the inbuilt dac in the Wii mini pro. I have not done a test comparison as they have but I am happy with the sound of the smsl1. And 60 bucks is 60 bucks.

    • @gwine9087
      @gwine9087 Год назад

      @@cashwise7614 The SU-1 has the same DAC chip as the Pro.

    • @jp93309
      @jp93309 11 месяцев назад

      @@cashwise7614 The SMSL SU-1 uses the AKM 4493S dac chip. The Wiim Pro PLUS has an AKM 4493SEQ chip which is an improvement over the Wiim Pro’s (and Mini’s) dac. Not sure if there is a difference with the 4493S vs SEQ though.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  11 месяцев назад +2

      @@jp93309 this video compares The WiiM pro plus vs j2 dac vs SMSL dac. He picks the J2 but also calls the SMSL an improvement over the dac in the pro plus, and the best bang for the buck in another of his videos.
      ruclips.net/video/9sf3e7jqQXM/видео.htmlsi=2RVLLOMyvDH8ev_7

    • @deanle604
      @deanle604 8 месяцев назад

      Totally agree with you. They bought a cheap and cheaper dac…😂😂

  • @GavinKane-r1l
    @GavinKane-r1l 2 месяца назад

    Excellent video and well explained. In fact I was litterally looking at this combo of devices before stumbling across your video. There's me thinking I had an original idea! 😂
    I do have a question, you mention at 5:23 that the WiiM mini connects to an echo device via Bluetooth to play music? Do you know where you found this out? I assumed it would connect via WiFi when you set it up in the Alexa app as a room speaker.
    The reason I ask is that I intended to have my Alexa dot control my wiim mini via voice commands to play music from Amazon music and spotify.
    But if it's connecting to it via Bluetooth it might be better to go with the 'Echo Link' device rather than a wiim mini which I'm pretty sure connects via WiFi. The downside of the echo link is that it's spdif only has a throughput of 24bit 48khz compared to the Wiim minis 96khz.
    Thanks

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for your feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video. According to Google, you can connect the echo and the Wii mini through your network. Although I haven't tried it. The instructions are kind of long. I am adding a link to the instructions below. If you do decide to get the setup,
      Please consider using the Amazon links in the description of my video.
      Response from Google AI
      g.co/gemini/share/c8a5e4cbf37c

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  2 месяца назад

      If you have any problems with the link or tries to get you to download the app, here the general instructions
      Gemini
      I have a Wiim hi def music streamer. How can I connect this to my Amazon echo device and will it still produce high-def music when using the Amazon echo?
      g.co/gemini/share/c8a5e4cbf37c
      Created with GeminiPublished October 8, 2024 at 11:02 AM

      I have a Wiim hi def music streamer.
      How can I connect this to my Amazon echo device and will it still produce high-def music when using the Amazon echo?

      Connecting Your Wiim Hi-Def Music Streamer to Amazon Echo
      Yes, you can connect your Wiim Hi-Def Music Streamer to your Amazon Echo device. This will allow you to enjoy high-definition music streaming through your Echo.
      Here's a general guide on how to do it:
      Ensure Wiim and Echo are on the same network: Both devices should be connected to the same Wi-Fi network for seamless communication.
      Link Wiim to Amazon Alexa:
      Open the WiiM Home app on your smartphone.
      Navigate to "Browse" and select "Amazon Alexa."
      Sign in with your Amazon account.
      Activate Amazon Music Casting:
      Open the Amazon Music app on your smartphone.
      In the Playing UI, find and tap the Amazon Music Casting icon.
      Verify if your WiiM device appears under "Select a Device to Play Music."
      Once connected, you can:
      Use voice commands: Ask your Echo to play music from Amazon Music, and it will stream it to your Wiim device.
      Enjoy high-definition audio: The Wiim device is designed to handle high-resolution audio formats, so you should experience excellent sound quality when streaming music through

  • @garnhamr
    @garnhamr 5 месяцев назад +1

    i got the wiim mini and a fosi audio bt20a and wasn't happy with the sound. i bought a marantz pm6007 which has a good dac and now the sound is very nice. what i've been wondering now though, is have i wasted my money and should i have just bought the su1 instead? has anyone tried the cheap bt20a with the su1?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  5 месяцев назад +1

      That Marantz amp has good reviews. Probably not a bad purchase. With my Denon amp, I only heard a bit of difference between the Built-In DAC in the WiiM mini and the su1 but it was better enough that I decided to keep it. Hopefully someone will respond. That's tried that combination you're asking about.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  5 месяцев назад

      By the way, I've been considering getting a bt20 just to test it.
      based on the reviews, it's supposed to have great sound for the price. Thanks for giving your experience with it.

  • @grjones520
    @grjones520 7 месяцев назад

    I really want to know how to hook up a Wiim Mini up to a SMSL SU1 and also connect a FOSI BT20a Pro to power my speakers. Could anyone break down the chain of how these connect?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  7 месяцев назад +1

      Connect your optical out from your wiim mini to the back of the smsl Su1 optical in. Then RCA left and right jacks from the SML su1 to the back of your Fosse amp.

  • @nkredz21
    @nkredz21 Год назад

    Hi i have airpulse A100 active speakers, can i add this DAC to it?

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  Год назад

      I believe you can, but what is your music source? Are you already sending a high def stream to the speakers?

    • @nkredz21
      @nkredz21 Год назад

      @@cashwise7614 Hi mate, I'm using xiaomi mibox S as source. It has aux and usb output and connected to aux port.

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  Год назад

      Sorry I'm honestly not sure. Normally you would go optical out to your DAC and then DAC to powered speakers or receiver via aux. You may be able to run it through the USB port but not 100% sure. Most importantly, I would just try to make sure that you're getting high definition streams to the speakers. ,1400kbps or more. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

  • @semikh5705
    @semikh5705 2 месяца назад

    No usb connection with wiim mini ((( I think Su-1 is better with USB connection. Who did a check, need feedback ? Thx 😊

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  2 месяца назад

      Here's a somewhat long explanation or comparison from Google AI

    • @cashwise7614
      @cashwise7614  2 месяца назад

      The best connection for the SMSL LSU One DAC in terms of sound quality depends on several factors, including your source device and your preferences. Here are some options to consider:
      USB:
      * Pros:
      * Generally the most convenient and versatile option.
      * Can provide excellent sound quality, especially when using a high-quality USB cable and a powered USB hub.
      * Cons:
      * May be susceptible to interference from other USB devices.
      * Can be limited by the USB port's capabilities on some devices.
      Optical:
      * Pros:
      * Less susceptible to interference than USB.
      * Can provide excellent sound quality, especially when using a high-quality optical cable.
      * Cons:
      * May not be supported by all source devices.
      * Can be more expensive than USB or coaxial connections.
      Coaxial:
      * Pros:
      * Can provide excellent sound quality, especially when using a high-quality coaxial cable.
      * Can be a good option for devices that don't support USB or optical.
      * Cons:
      * May be more susceptible to interference than optical.
      * Can be more expensive than USB.
      Ultimately, the best way to determine the best connection for your SMSL LSU One DAC is to try out different options and see which one sounds best to you.
      Here are some additional tips for getting the best sound quality out of your SMSL LSU One DAC:
      * Use high-quality cables.
      * Connect your DAC to a powered USB hub if possible.
      * Ensure that your source device is capable of outputting high-quality audio.
      * Experiment with different settings on your DAC to find the sound that you like best.