I added this DAC to my combination of vintage and modern gear and it has significantly improved the sound of my Amazon stream and Phillips cd which now it serves as a transport. Never sounded better.
For some reasons I had to sell my Smsl VMVD1Se. For two days I listened with my NAD C388 and the integrated DAC. But the difference to the vmv is too big and so I decided to give the SU - 1 a chance because of the good reviews it gets. The SU - 1 arrived today and it 's a day and night difference to the DAC in the NAD C388. On the other hand the difference to the VMVD1Se is more or less nonexistent. Maybe with more High-End gear you can hear differences but my devices in the nearly 3000 € range does not really show these. I'm a little bit shocked that it's possible to get this sound quality out of a 80€ DAC. Unbelieveable.
I'm so glad to see that another great audiophile and reviewer actually admits that the mini in combination with the SMSL dac offers an excellent sound. They are in my second set up and very happy with them.
This video is the kind of cultured, rational contribution to the hifi community it so sorely needs. Oligarch audio is the fount of the trickle-down tech and know-how that makes for the Wiim and SMSL products. And everything in between. I have a Lampizator Baltic V4 as my reference DAC, which Greg mentioned he uses sometimes as a benchmark for his reviews of non-oligarch gear, but I don't feel I'm losing too much sonically when I sometimes swap in my Gustard R26 which costs 1/4 the price of the Baltic. We are indeed living in a golden age of sorts, we should celebrate this rather than find reasons to complain about oligarchs and their hifi gear (or indeed about their jets and yachts and women etc.). Waste of time better spent listening to music no matter what your budget is!
@michaelmityok1001 Thank you for recognizing my intent with this episode. And your point is SO VALID. Look, just because you cannot, or choose not to, afford more costly items is NO REASON to pretend that they "couldn't be any better" than what someone currently uses, or are a "rip off," or are in some other way, fraudulent products.
So I love the classic sound of the first golden age of stereo, and have resurrected my beloved college system including late 70s Kenwood 4070 receiver and large Advents with an Akai tape deck. Sadly my TT for those days is no more but I have added a Fluance 85 and have been in vinyl and metal tape bliss ever since. But I go the urge to add streaming for when I felt lazy or when I wanted to hear something not from my vinyl or tape collection. Enter the WiiM mini ($70) and SU-1 ($69) purchased over the past year. Here’s the amazing thing: the WiiM running thru the SU-1 via optical sounds great, giving a full, spacious and “modern” sound to streamed music. But, when I go back to vinyl (not thru the SU-1) I still get that warm blanket familiar classic sound that I love. An absolute cake and eat it too system. Love it, and hope this is helpful for anyone considering adding streaming to a vintage system.
I have smsl su-1 for about a couple of months paired it with fosi audio V3 in kef q300 digital input from my tablet using usb audio player pro wow very dynamic sound lower base is punchier mids is really detailed and high frequency is very detailed as well very good dac for it's price can compete with dacs in 500usd range very good
Hifi gear may be getting better but anyone over 50 years old hearing usual as a 4k notch ( dip in the frequency response around this frequency) I love that this can be taken care of via the equaliser on the Wiim pro plus, giving me back a flat hearing response, I have it connected to my cable box and active studio monitors, and it saves me turning up the volume to compensate for the age related hearing loss that comes to us all 😜
An enjoyable review, thanks. The pairing of SMSL SU-1 with the WiiM Mini is surely one of the great audio bargains of current times. My simple system comprises a WiiM Mini, SMSL SU-1 DAC, IotaVX SA3 integrated amplifier, Polk Reserve R100 speakers and a REL TZero Mk III 'subwoofer'. I power the WiiM Mini and the SU-1 with Apple iPhone 5V chargers that had been sitting around in a drawer for years. I stream Amazon Music HD. It just blows my mind how good this system sounds for the money spent. Great timing and dynamics, tight, punchy bass, wonderful midrange, excellent imaging, full soundstage and no listening fatigue whatsoever. We're in a golden age of affordable audio, no question.
On Monday I added a Topping P50 linear power supply to my set up, replacing the iPhone chargers as the power supply for the WiiM Mini and SU-1. The immediate improvements in separation, imaging and soundstage made my jaw drop. For the first time I've experienced vocals floating in the air. All in a system costing around 1500 British pounds.
@@Erelio I wouldn't go as far as to say a night and day difference but (to my ears) the increased separation of musical elements and extra detail are easily noticeable and worth the outlay for the P50 LPS
Хех, это вы ещё не слышали этого малыша SU-1 в доработке) Удивились бы втройне. Являюсь владельцем доработанного SU-1 от известного мастера Dacmaster (Ukraine) разница в звучании в стоковом состоянии и после доработки огромная)
I just added this DAC to my system with new Mission speakers and it sounds great. Nice mids and clean, crisp highs. Brought a lot of new life to my cd collection.
Interested in knowing how you connected your phone directly to the SU 1. Did you connect it to the USB-C? I was under the impression this is where you need to power the dac. Would it work the same if I would use my iPhone? Would I need a cable iOS to USB-C? Still, the dac would not be powered. Thanks,
I’ve had my eye on this DAC for my modest desktop system and I’ll likely grab one now after hearing your thoughts, Greg, thanks. Great to meet you at Axpona! Talked with you a couple times. You sat next to me in the big Stenheim room, we chatted for a minute and I relinquished the sweet spot seat i had for you and you said “Well, I didn’t mean to run you off!” and I said “it’s my honor!”
We are listening in a special time for inexpensive digital reproduction that's capable of astonishing performance at very affordable price points. Sometimes even being slotted into pretty costly systems (with compromise) yet not being completely embarrassing. Undoubtedly a country mile away from the hyper-fi normally discussed in your channel....but units such as this SMSL will Bring music to far more people, can't be a bad things really.. Greg you've found a little gem. 👍🏻
Bought this dac to use with my smsl sd-9 hifi network music player and the smsl drop ho150x headphone amp. Man, what a set up! Using my hifi man 400se, and fostex tp50 Headphones. What a trip. I also own smsl pl200 top load cd player, sounds fantastic! I'm sold....mind you, the rest of my system is no slouch, comprising of Tannoy, sugden, accuphase, Cyrus, Marantz, etc. These smsl components hold their own. Call me amazed.
I've had an SU1 for almost a year, I'm very pleased with the sound also. But I have two issues with how it plays with other components in my system: When streaming from a Bluesound Node via coax I get dropouts; Had to switch to optical. And the SU1 also has a problem with my integrated amp (Yamaha A-S 801): I have to put the 801 into 'Pure Direct' mode or the SU1 doesn't send a signal to the amp, it doesn't recognize it's connected. The Pure direct mode bypasses tone controls, so I can't use them. But for 80 bucks I ain't complaining.
This little Dac sounds very,very good in my 2 channel system. For the $70 I paid for this small wonder I can listen all day with a smile on my face. It gives you just enough from top to bottom and is so easy to listen to. I have a linear power supply with it and I use a Volumio Rivo with coax cable. EXCELLENT!!
Koristim smsl su - 1 u dvije postavke 1)Wiim mini +smsl su 1 +Denon rcd-m41 2)Argon audio solo +smsl su 1 +Edifier s880db Super u oba slučaja 👍👍 Ivrsna recenzija, pozdrav 😊
Thank you so much for this great review. I totally agree with your conclusions. Iḿ using now a remarkable setup. S.M.S.L. SU-1 dac, WiiM mini, Fosi Audio MC 101 amp and Fosi Audio P3 pre-amp. Its sounds so great. I use Magnepan LRS plus as speakers. Its great fun to use this combination. Its so musical. Total cost of this complete set is 320 euro without the Magnepans. I recommend it all. Greetz from Holland to you.
I just got this DAC a few months ago and stuck a Sony Discman into it (optical out) and a Fosi V3 amp. Cram a laptop into the USB-in and it's a great digital player. To me, it's a superb budget option.
Я купила этот цап smsl su 1 для своей старой советской hi fi техники радиотехника s30b плюс усилитель от магнитофона юпитер через коаксиальный провод от телевизора звук хороший. Я довольна из России. 😉🇷🇺
13:00 I have the same impression. For me SU-1 sounds better through optical cable than USB. I think it's because using a dedicated power supply is better than powering by USB.
Hello, my friend. THANK YOU for recognizing my intent with this video... While I prefer to pioneer and explore the very best products being offered to music lovers today, there is MUCH to be said for the trickle-down effect that allows anyone to get into some pretty darn good sound! Thanks for watching, and for posting, Joe!
As soon as I watched Greg's review , I bought one and have had it running in my main system now for a few days. It just needed a better power supply ( an extra £50 ?) to make the SU1 as satisfying to listen to as my £7000 tube DAC. Not the same, not as good in pure audiophile terms but just as satisfying. It's reviews like this and like the one for the Silver Smith speaker cables ( which I also bought) that make me feel that, among all the professional and semi-pro reviewers out there, Greg's voice is the one I trust most. Thanks for the great recommendations !
Just an iFi Audio iPower2 that I had lying around. Am planning to try a better PSU without ruining the bargain basement satisfaction that I get from the SU1 DAC.
As I said - starting at ~11:13 (ruclips.net/video/23PcIVcdEaw/видео.htmlsi=S42CZ9J1UKhBHPv-&t=673) - "Then I had another idea… I wondered how it might sound to stream Roon and/or Qobuz directly from my Samsung phone. Using the needed USB C to USB C cable, I connected my Samsung phone and gave it a shot. DAMN… Streaming files directly from the Qobuz app, or from Roon using their ARC app, I was able to bypass the analog output from my device and stream the digital files directly. The difference between the two outputs, as rendered on my reference system, was not just obvious, it was markedly significant." There are MANY reasons, as a retired IT Engineer certified on BOTH Microsoft and Apple platforms, that I will NOT use Apple products. As such, I cannot tell you WHY the iPhone, as unfriendly as it is in many other respects as well, will not drive this DAC. I simply refuse to use their products any longer. You may have to reach out to Apple and have one of their so-called "Geniuses" help you solve the matter. I’m sorry that I cannot offer you any solution, and good luck…
Great review! I can see how the SM-1 would be a great improvement for the Wiim mini, but I am wondering if the SU-1 would offer any significant improvement for my Wiim Pro Plus as they, as you pointed out, use the same DAC chip. If not, what might you suggest for a budget friendly external DAC for the Pro Plus if any? I am considering, Topping D70 Pro OCTO Or SMSL DO300 Side note: In listening to your audio track selections I don’t know how to interpret them as I am listening through my own system that colors the sound according to my equipment and settings. Again, thanks for such an insightful review of the SU-1!
$80, $80, $80... I was blown away at this silly thing, powering it with an Apple phone charger and WiiM Pro. Everything you stated is true. I have a PS Audio and Bel Canto DAC in the house, and I could easily live with this little SU-1. Yes, an incredible time to be alive in regards to audio gear. I just took delivery of a ToneWinner AD-2PRO+ integrated amplifier, and am being blown away at what $1900 delivered will get one in regards to sound quality. My buddy bought one of these units too, and he compares it to a Mark Levinson integrated. You probably know him, he has been going to Axpona for many many years. ;-)
Definitely a great time to be in this hobby. Some great class D amps cheap quality DACs and reasonable bookshelf speakers. Brings good sound into everyone's reach. Big difference from the 1970s. Good video
Regarding beatles,thank goodness some of their catalogue benefitted from the arrival of multi track recording, the anthology cds sound fantastic./my discovery of hifi was using money from my first job to buy some of the 90s gear over here in UK.....marantz cd52 se,pioneer a300,mission 760i.
Just purchased this and my initial comment is confusion with the manual. It specifies not to use a power supply voltage other than specified, then does not list a voltage anywhere. Did I miss something? I am assuming a 5V Apple phone charger block will work OK. Don’t really want to spend more for a linear power supply unless necessary.
I just connected an SMSL-SU1 to my Apple TV via the optical cable, connected to my Pioneer VSX-824. I noticed that when changing the audio source from the HDMI input (Apple TV) to analog input (Apple TV through the SMSL DAC) the volume drops by 5 to 8 decibels. Is this normal?
I'm sorry, but, as I don't use any Apple products, I've no way of knowing... I can't imagine that it represents any problem or concerning issue, however... When you match volumes, does it sound better?
Power to the DAC is delivered through the USB port on the back panel. It uses a standard USB voltage of 5 volts. The key is to use a linear regulated supply with it and don't rely on your source's USB power and you will be amazed by the sound quality.
Um, I'm not sure what I can add here. You answered your own question... 😉 But, here goes... A digital-to-analog converter (DAC) is an electronic component that changes digital signals into analog signals, which can then be sent to your electronics (preamplifier, amplifier) and played using a set of headphones or speakers. DACs are a key part of ALL digital audio devices, such as smartphones, PCs, and TVs. Just for completeness, the opposite of a DAC is an analog-to-digital converter (ADC), which changes analog signals into digital signals.
There really is no reason to post recordings of it versus my reference Ideon Absolute Suite. First, the limitations of the medium, the recording and playback system, would minimize the real differences, and many would mistakenly jump to the conclusion that the differences were much closer than they actually are... Thanks for watching, and posting! ☺
I tried the mini with the SU-1 and I was not happy with the sound. Jittery is the best way to describe it. I ended up ordering a pro plus and I am very happy with it. The mini and su-1 have been moved to my hime office bookshelve and meshed with the pro plus.
I just ordered this exact combination (mini and dac) and after seeing this video can't wait for them to arrive. To keep the cost low but wanting good quality, what interconnects (toslink, rca) would you reccomend?
Um, I'm sorry, but this seems to be a fairly pointless question... I would start with whatever you have lying around... Then, if you care to, you can try other cables. But, these items are bargain basement priced to begin with, so...just use what you have available to get started...
Hello. It was nothing special; I bought a four pack of different length C to C cables labeled Nimaso. The four pack sells for $13, so... 😉 www.amazon.com/Charging-NIMASO-Charger-Compatible-Samsung/dp/B087M2K64S/ref=sxin_16_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.e8da13fc-7baf-46c3-926a-e7e8f63a520b%3Aamzn1.sym.e8da13fc-7baf-46c3-926a-e7e8f63a520b&crid=5B03O9R4R77C&cv_ct_cx=USB%2BC%2Bto%2BUSB%2BC%2Bcables&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.HVcPXN2k_-qkAIQygn-twA3isvm-4BDkOQ1fdWBXsUHCJ_DZiJT0Hhuoojk-kvMvxrjgRetEfRf9zqjFJcllIg.qNHLBh_QlMmzumw8a0_xQgYwFuqc3a17n4Yo_vKx35s&dib_tag=se&keywords=USB%2BC%2Bto%2BUSB%2BC%2Bcables&pd_rd_i=B087M2K64S&pd_rd_r=5780b51f-a39a-4e9b-a891-bc13ac723f88&pd_rd_w=4gNPb&pd_rd_wg=tMxrR&pf_rd_p=e8da13fc-7baf-46c3-926a-e7e8f63a520b&pf_rd_r=YYDRR99D9866P09NQGQ4&qid=1716314571&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=usb%2Bc%2Bto%2Busb%2Bc%2Bcables%2Caps%2C112&sr=1-1-7efdef4d-9875-47e1-927f-8c2c1c47ed49-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9zZWFyY2hfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1
I showed you the unboxing, which clearly shows that no power supply is included. It comes with a single USB-A to USB-C cable. I used USB connectivity to deliver signal and power from - in my tests - both my Windows CAD computer/streamer or my Samsung phone. When used in my Second Space with the optical input, I used a basic Samsung Tablet Wall-Wart supply with that USB-A to USB-C cable. While many have said that the performance increases proportionally with the use of better external supplies, I was not interested in pursuing that route. If you choose to do so, be sure to share your experiences here. Thanks for watching.
honestly the ps100 for half the price isn't bad at all, use it on a secondary bedroom system and its perfectly fine sounds better then any cell phone dac ive ever heard
Well, if you choose to use the USB-C port ONLY to power the DAC, then you would need to use one of the S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) inputs, either the Coaxial or Optical (Toslink) inputs available. That may be difficult from an external Hard Drive, as they typically do NOT have the ability to output over S/PDIF. In such a case, you would power the DAC from an external power supply, and then use something like this - www.amazon.com/Converter-CardUSB-Coaxial-Compatible-Windows/dp/B0D2Y5FGFQ/ref=sr_1_4?crid=DGPFJP9K88NT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CA1kGII1qxwWlYcbDznDs_hc9AP08rzI4LPuySk55Y9fbogI1lrXst3FW2L1OqV-fsFXIgjBNIjXbg3LcEIZ6nf2ppFa3EDz1vPetpBki3KKXTc1SPOKC_LY8gXYUjwYBNahVtd4oiljXiVO28njP-ZqN45Etx6-NgpJvuksxQAKbh1eSpb_dh_SBDto5LbeOiwSmJ9ffovWCojN8EuOh1s3xwqC-pJqFvQ3jtu-1navoGuBWV10395QCTwa-NJPgeV5QMTCnkNfCAO4pkZu_8ec24cBCs-ggUAJDihS8aw.ldGdAKhbquHFaNFc_WJbyRjt_aC7m7Vf_9XJ-3_r-v0&dib_tag=se&keywords=USB+to+S%2FPDIF+Adaptor&qid=1722259866&s=industrial&sprefix=usb+to+s%2Fpdif+adaptor%2Cindustrial%2C81&sr=1-4 - a USB to S/PDIF converter. Best of luck.
Well, I'm not sure what _specific_ products you are talking about. That said, I can't imagine that it won't easily best either one of them - _especially_ any products that are twenty years old.
@@theaudioanalyst I'll be diggity. What is the world coming to!? Actually, listening to the smsl su1 now and comparing it to my denon hdcd player and my yamaha natural sound cd player, both $300 players from the 90's thru my sony es avr and 1985 klipsch la scalas.
Well, I guess that depends on how you define "harmful." Would it be damaging to the device or its sonic ability? Not in the broadest sense. But, it may shorten the lifespan. There are some who suggest repeated on and off shocks a system more than just leaving it on, while others feel just the opposite. I've seen no definitive evidence for either case, so...your call! 😊
. . . not to be a spoiler, but your 2d room looks a little hard, behind your speakers, you need some softening on the walls and floor, that mattress won't cut it. I have SU-1, streaming from my android to my Emotiva amp, into two powerd subs and out to Micca RB- 47 mains in a small room, a very inexpensive system. In this system, MQA is a much better sound . . . Try using an after market, on line DAC, you can download, like 'USB Audio Pro' . . . in conjunction w/ the SU-1. It 'unfolds' the MQA file, giving you the complete high res performance. . . for 4 bucks. This combo has made my little system sound like 10k.
First, never having been in the room, never actually having heard the system, you somehow think yourself qualified to make ANY comment on how it actually sounds? This is a recurring problem with so many listeners today, one seemingly more frequently expressed by those with the least empirical experience base, feeling that one has any right to express an opinion on how something that they have NEVER HEARD sounds. Unfortunately, you're mistaken, as ANY of the experienced listeners who have been in the room will be happy to share with you. Not that you would care... And by the way, that "mattress," that is a dog bed not a room treatment... Second, as to the statement "MQA is a much better sound...," as I've said repeatedly, I've heard dozens of "before and after" demos over the past decade, including several conducted by Master Quality Authenticated technology developer Meridian Audio, founded by Bob Stuart and the late Allen Boothroyd. While I am happy that you find it to be of merit, in my experiences with it since 2014, especially in a world-class rig like my reference system (www.theaudioanalyst.com/reference-system/), don't make it worth the cost of the paint it takes to label its inclusion on the DAC's faceplate. Not to put too fine a point on it, but MQA has filed for a specialized form of bankruptcy, and though the company’s assets were recently bought by Ontario-based, Lenbrook Industries, Limited, owners of the brands Bluesound, NAD, and PSB, it has run its course and - most people, like me, couldn't have cared less. Honestly, HDCD encoding, which came out in 1986 made a more significant sonic improvement than MQA. Developed by "Professor" Keith Johnson (Reference Recordings) and Michael "Pflash" Pflaumer of Pacific MicroSonics, it worked by encoding the equivalent of 20 bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding. Those custom encodings, which did NOT require any decoding, included a Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter, and a Low-Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. And guess what? Even it disappeared when people lost interest as it too was so slight an improvement. Listen to DSD, especially at the Quad rate (DSD 256, or 11.2 MHz - 11,289,600 Hz - a rate that is 256 times denser than the Redbook CD standard of 44,100 Hz - and actually is encroaching on an analog level of signal density), and you'll begin to understand the potential of digital audio playback.
Greg, I definitely take notice when you recommend an ultra affordable product since you own or review crazy high-end products. For s**** and giggles I picked one up. So far very surprised with how good the CD layer is on a SACD. Better than a 10+ year old SACD player on its own. I currently use the iFi Stream as my digital transport. My cables coming out of it are 5x the price of it.
Hello, Jeffrey! I'm really surprised with just how good this little guy is give its absurd affordability. And, it seems as if you've found a great use for it, amplifying its value even more! Thanks for watching, and taking the time to write, buddy! 😊
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I added this DAC to my combination of vintage and modern gear and it has significantly improved the sound of my Amazon stream and Phillips cd which now it serves as a transport. Never sounded better.
For some reasons I had to sell my Smsl VMVD1Se. For two days I listened with my NAD C388 and the integrated DAC. But the difference to the vmv is too big and so I decided to give the SU - 1 a chance because of the good reviews it gets. The SU - 1 arrived today and it 's a day and night difference to the DAC in the NAD C388. On the other hand the difference to the VMVD1Se is more or less nonexistent. Maybe with more High-End gear you can hear differences but my devices in the nearly 3000 € range does not really show these. I'm a little bit shocked that it's possible to get this sound quality out of a 80€ DAC. Unbelieveable.
I'm so glad to see that another great audiophile and reviewer actually admits that the mini in combination with the SMSL dac offers an excellent sound. They are in my second set up and very happy with them.
This video is the kind of cultured, rational contribution to the hifi community it so sorely needs. Oligarch audio is the fount of the trickle-down tech and know-how that makes for the Wiim and SMSL products. And everything in between. I have a Lampizator Baltic V4 as my reference DAC, which Greg mentioned he uses sometimes as a benchmark for his reviews of non-oligarch gear, but I don't feel I'm losing too much sonically when I sometimes swap in my Gustard R26 which costs 1/4 the price of the Baltic. We are indeed living in a golden age of sorts, we should celebrate this rather than find reasons to complain about oligarchs and their hifi gear (or indeed about their jets and yachts and women etc.). Waste of time better spent listening to music no matter what your budget is!
Very true! Really like your comment. I have the Denafrips Ares 12th-1 in my set up 1. So wonderful!
@michaelmityok1001 Thank you for recognizing my intent with this episode. And your point is SO VALID. Look, just because you cannot, or choose not to, afford more costly items is NO REASON to pretend that they "couldn't be any better" than what someone currently uses, or are a "rip off," or are in some other way, fraudulent products.
So I love the classic sound of the first golden age of stereo, and have resurrected my beloved college system including late 70s Kenwood 4070 receiver and large Advents with an Akai tape deck. Sadly my TT for those days is no more but I have added a Fluance 85 and have been in vinyl and metal tape bliss ever since. But I go the urge to add streaming for when I felt lazy or when I wanted to hear something not from my vinyl or tape collection. Enter the WiiM mini ($70) and SU-1 ($69) purchased over the past year. Here’s the amazing thing: the WiiM running thru the SU-1 via optical sounds great, giving a full, spacious and “modern” sound to streamed music. But, when I go back to vinyl (not thru the SU-1) I still get that warm blanket familiar classic sound that I love. An absolute cake and eat it too system. Love it, and hope this is helpful for anyone considering adding streaming to a vintage system.
I have smsl su-1 for about a couple of months paired it with fosi audio V3 in kef q300 digital input from my tablet using usb audio player pro wow very dynamic sound lower base is punchier mids is really detailed and high frequency is very detailed as well very good dac for it's price can compete with dacs in 500usd range very good
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Hifi gear may be getting better but anyone over 50 years old hearing usual as a 4k notch ( dip in the frequency response around this frequency) I love that this can be taken care of via the equaliser on the Wiim pro plus, giving me back a flat hearing response, I have it connected to my cable box and active studio monitors, and it saves me turning up the volume to compensate for the age related hearing loss that comes to us all 😜
An enjoyable review, thanks. The pairing of SMSL SU-1 with the WiiM Mini is surely one of the great audio bargains of current times. My simple system comprises a WiiM Mini, SMSL SU-1 DAC, IotaVX SA3 integrated amplifier, Polk Reserve R100 speakers and a REL TZero Mk III 'subwoofer'. I power the WiiM Mini and the SU-1 with Apple iPhone 5V chargers that had been sitting around in a drawer for years. I stream Amazon Music HD. It just blows my mind how good this system sounds for the money spent. Great timing and dynamics, tight, punchy bass, wonderful midrange, excellent imaging, full soundstage and no listening fatigue whatsoever. We're in a golden age of affordable audio, no question.
On Monday I added a Topping P50 linear power supply to my set up, replacing the iPhone chargers as the power supply for the WiiM Mini and SU-1. The immediate improvements in separation, imaging and soundstage made my jaw drop. For the first time I've experienced vocals floating in the air. All in a system costing around 1500 British pounds.
@@JonWeeks-u3dI’m considering upgrading to the Topping power supply from my iPhone brick . Is the difference between night and day?
@@Erelio I wouldn't go as far as to say a night and day difference but (to my ears) the increased separation of musical elements and extra detail are easily noticeable and worth the outlay for the P50 LPS
Хех, это вы ещё не слышали этого малыша SU-1 в доработке) Удивились бы втройне. Являюсь владельцем доработанного SU-1 от известного мастера Dacmaster (Ukraine) разница в звучании в стоковом состоянии и после доработки огромная)
Great to see you cover this. I have my SU-1 paired with a WiiM Pro in my second system. Sounds pretty good. A gateway to so much music.
I just added this DAC to my system with new Mission speakers and it sounds great. Nice mids and clean, crisp highs. Brought a lot of new life to my cd collection.
Interested in knowing how you connected your phone directly to the SU 1. Did you connect it to the USB-C? I was under the impression this is where you need to power the dac. Would it work the same if I would use my iPhone? Would I need a cable iOS to USB-C? Still, the dac would not be powered. Thanks,
the usb-c is dual purpose, for charging and an output at the same time
Love both of my SMSL DACS. I have the SMSL Sanskrit 10th Generation and the SMSL M200.
I’ve had my eye on this DAC for my modest desktop system and I’ll likely grab one now after hearing your thoughts, Greg, thanks. Great to meet you at Axpona! Talked with you a couple times. You sat next to me in the big Stenheim room, we chatted for a minute and I relinquished the sweet spot seat i had for you and you said “Well, I didn’t mean to run you off!” and I said “it’s my honor!”
Hello, and so very gracious of you! Thank you - again! 😊
We are listening in a special time for inexpensive digital reproduction that's capable of astonishing performance at very affordable price points.
Sometimes even being slotted into pretty costly systems (with compromise) yet not being completely embarrassing.
Undoubtedly a country mile away from the hyper-fi normally discussed in your channel....but units such as this SMSL will Bring music to far more people, can't be a bad things really..
Greg you've found a little gem. 👍🏻
When I decided to try streaming, I went with the Wiim Mini and the SU-1. Right now, I am very happy with the combo.
Thank you sir. I have the SMSL D6S and it is fantastic
I will purchase the SU1 now.
Bought this dac to use with my smsl sd-9 hifi network music player and the smsl drop ho150x headphone amp. Man, what a set up! Using my hifi man 400se, and fostex tp50 Headphones. What a trip. I also own smsl pl200 top load cd player, sounds fantastic! I'm sold....mind you, the rest of my system is no slouch, comprising of Tannoy, sugden, accuphase, Cyrus, Marantz, etc. These smsl components hold their own. Call me amazed.
Vou correndo comprar esse joia 💎
Obrigado pela excelente dica😊❤
Great find !!
I've had an SU1 for almost a year, I'm very pleased with the sound also. But I have two issues with how it plays with other components in my system: When streaming from a Bluesound Node via coax I get dropouts; Had to switch to optical. And the SU1 also has a problem with my integrated amp (Yamaha A-S 801): I have to put the 801 into 'Pure Direct' mode or the SU1 doesn't send a signal to the amp, it doesn't recognize it's connected. The Pure direct mode bypasses tone controls, so I can't use them. But for 80 bucks I ain't complaining.
This little Dac sounds very,very good in my 2 channel system. For the $70 I paid for this small wonder I can listen all day with a smile on my face. It gives you just enough from top to bottom and is so easy to listen to. I have a linear power supply with it and I use a Volumio Rivo with coax cable. EXCELLENT!!
Koristim smsl su - 1 u dvije postavke
1)Wiim mini +smsl su 1 +Denon rcd-m41
2)Argon audio solo +smsl su 1 +Edifier s880db
Super u oba slučaja 👍👍
Ivrsna recenzija, pozdrav 😊
Imam Marantz PM8006 i koristim laptop za Spotify, molim vas za mišljenje koji DAC da koristim Smsl su-1 ili dongle DAC Audioquest. Hvala na odgovoru.
Thank you so much for this great review. I totally agree with your conclusions. Iḿ using now a remarkable setup. S.M.S.L. SU-1 dac, WiiM mini, Fosi Audio MC 101 amp and Fosi Audio P3 pre-amp. Its sounds so great. I use Magnepan LRS plus as speakers. Its great fun to use this combination. Its so musical.
Total cost of this complete set is 320 euro without the Magnepans. I recommend it all. Greetz from Holland to you.
Great video. Why in Amazon show (says it needs a controller) why type a controller. Thanks
I just got this DAC a few months ago and stuck a Sony Discman into it (optical out) and a Fosi V3 amp. Cram a laptop into the USB-in and it's a great digital player. To me, it's a superb budget option.
I couldn't agree more, which I why I produced this episode!
Я купила этот цап smsl su 1 для своей старой советской hi fi техники радиотехника s30b плюс усилитель от магнитофона юпитер через коаксиальный провод от телевизора звук хороший. Я довольна из России. 😉🇷🇺
13:00 I have the same impression. For me SU-1 sounds better through optical cable than USB. I think it's because using a dedicated power supply is better than powering by USB.
That would only make sense...right? 😄
Great balance to the $400,000 DAC marketed to the oligarch audio crowd
Hello, my friend. THANK YOU for recognizing my intent with this video... While I prefer to pioneer and explore the very best products being offered to music lovers today, there is MUCH to be said for the trickle-down effect that allows anyone to get into some pretty darn good sound! Thanks for watching, and for posting, Joe!
Nice one Greg. Something terrific regular people can actually afford.
thanks for the vid , the smsl sanscrit mk3 is out for 139 usd seems to be the same but with more options, would love to see a comparison.
I Pray this WISDOM finds the Targets
Thanks ( with clean power the performance is also upgraded)
As do I...that is what motivated me to produce this episode!
Great Channel! Thank You very much. I subscribed.
As soon as I watched Greg's review , I bought one and have had it running in my main system now for a few days. It just needed a better power supply ( an extra £50 ?) to make the SU1 as satisfying to listen to as my £7000 tube DAC. Not the same, not as good in pure audiophile terms but just as satisfying. It's reviews like this and like the one for the Silver Smith speaker cables ( which I also bought) that make me feel that, among all the professional and semi-pro reviewers out there, Greg's voice is the one I trust most. Thanks for the great recommendations !
Thank you so very much for "getting" what I am doing here, and for the gracious vote of confidence... 🙂
Hello alvheng. Can you tell me what kind of better power supply you use for the S.M.S.L. SU 1? Thank you and Greetz from Holland
@@PaulLodewijk-dc7xq Yes, @alvheng, please do share those details...
Just an iFi Audio iPower2 that I had lying around. Am planning to try a better PSU without ruining the bargain basement satisfaction that I get from the SU1 DAC.
@@theaudioanalyst❤❤❤
Can you please explain how you connected your phone and powered the DAC via usb. I tried connecting my iPhone 12 via USB and the DAC does nothing.
As I said - starting at ~11:13 (ruclips.net/video/23PcIVcdEaw/видео.htmlsi=S42CZ9J1UKhBHPv-&t=673) - "Then I had another idea… I wondered how it might sound to stream Roon and/or Qobuz directly from my Samsung phone. Using the needed USB C to USB C cable, I connected my Samsung phone and gave it a shot. DAMN… Streaming files directly from the Qobuz app, or from Roon using their ARC app, I was able to bypass the analog output from my device and stream the digital files directly. The difference between the two outputs, as rendered on my reference system, was not just obvious, it was markedly significant."
There are MANY reasons, as a retired IT Engineer certified on BOTH Microsoft and Apple platforms, that I will NOT use Apple products. As such, I cannot tell you WHY the iPhone, as unfriendly as it is in many other respects as well, will not drive this DAC. I simply refuse to use their products any longer. You may have to reach out to Apple and have one of their so-called "Geniuses" help you solve the matter. I’m sorry that I cannot offer you any solution, and good luck…
Great review! I can see how the SM-1 would be a great improvement for the Wiim mini, but I am wondering if the SU-1 would offer any significant improvement for my Wiim Pro Plus as they, as you pointed out, use the same DAC chip.
If not, what might you suggest for a budget friendly external DAC for the Pro Plus if any?
I am considering,
Topping D70 Pro OCTO
Or
SMSL DO300
Side note: In listening to your audio track selections I don’t know how to interpret them as I am listening through my own system that colors the sound according to my equipment and settings.
Again, thanks for such an insightful review of the SU-1!
$80, $80, $80... I was blown away at this silly thing, powering it with an Apple phone charger and WiiM Pro. Everything you stated is true. I have a PS Audio and Bel Canto DAC in the house, and I could easily live with this little SU-1. Yes, an incredible time to be alive in regards to audio gear. I just took delivery of a ToneWinner AD-2PRO+ integrated amplifier, and am being blown away at what $1900 delivered will get one in regards to sound quality. My buddy bought one of these units too, and he compares it to a Mark Levinson integrated. You probably know him, he has been going to Axpona for many many years. ;-)
Thanks for watching, and taking the time to post! 😉
Definitely a great time to be in this hobby. Some great class D amps cheap quality DACs and reasonable bookshelf speakers. Brings good sound into everyone's reach. Big difference from the 1970s. Good video
Regarding beatles,thank goodness some of their catalogue benefitted from the arrival of multi track recording, the anthology cds sound fantastic./my discovery of hifi was using money from my first job to buy some of the 90s gear over here in UK.....marantz cd52 se,pioneer a300,mission 760i.
A very nice time for the VERY RICH audiophile 👍
The law of diminishing returns is stretching in hifi
Just purchased this and my initial comment is confusion with the manual. It specifies not to use a power supply voltage other than specified, then does not list a voltage anywhere. Did I miss something? I am assuming a 5V Apple phone charger block will work OK. Don’t really want to spend more for a linear power supply unless necessary.
Really nice and interesting review 👍
I just connected an SMSL-SU1 to my Apple TV via the optical cable, connected to my Pioneer VSX-824. I noticed that when changing the audio source from the HDMI input (Apple TV) to analog input (Apple TV through the SMSL DAC) the volume drops by 5 to 8 decibels. Is this normal?
I'm sorry, but, as I don't use any Apple products, I've no way of knowing... I can't imagine that it represents any problem or concerning issue, however... When you match volumes, does it sound better?
I have a receiver & and CD. which DAC am I using? And can you walk through the set up. Thanks ❤
i use the same speaker cable as you
Hello. What kind of power can be supplied to SMSL - SU1? 6 volts 2 or is it possible?
Power to the DAC is delivered through the USB port on the back panel. It uses a standard USB voltage of 5 volts. The key is to use a linear regulated supply with it and don't rely on your source's USB power and you will be amazed by the sound quality.
Greg can you help me understand what a DAC is? I know it is a digital audio converter. Thanks
Um, I'm not sure what I can add here. You answered your own question... 😉 But, here goes...
A digital-to-analog converter (DAC) is an electronic component that changes digital signals into analog signals, which can then be sent to your electronics (preamplifier, amplifier) and played using a set of headphones or speakers. DACs are a key part of ALL digital audio devices, such as smartphones, PCs, and TVs.
Just for completeness, the opposite of a DAC is an analog-to-digital converter (ADC), which changes analog signals into digital signals.
Was there going to be a comparison to your reference DAC? Or because that little DAC can hang in the reference system it really wasn't needed?
There really is no reason to post recordings of it versus my reference Ideon Absolute Suite. First, the limitations of the medium, the recording and playback system, would minimize the real differences, and many would mistakenly jump to the conclusion that the differences were much closer than they actually are... Thanks for watching, and posting! ☺
@@theaudioanalyst Sorry, I didn't mean a sound comparison. But I get it you don't want people jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Epic speech :D and so right on point!
Thank you! 😊
I'm going to place this DAC on Stillpoints Ultra 5 iso feet and put a medium brick (1) on it so it doesn't blow away
I tried the mini with the SU-1 and I was not happy with the sound. Jittery is the best way to describe it. I ended up ordering a pro plus and I am very happy with it. The mini and su-1 have been moved to my hime office bookshelve and meshed with the pro plus.
Does it have a Volume control. Or is that separate?
I just ordered this exact combination (mini and dac) and after seeing this video can't wait for them to arrive. To keep the cost low but wanting good quality, what interconnects (toslink, rca) would you reccomend?
Um, I'm sorry, but this seems to be a fairly pointless question... I would start with whatever you have lying around... Then, if you care to, you can try other cables. But, these items are bargain basement priced to begin with, so...just use what you have available to get started...
I've had this DAC for a while now. It's in my main system. It pairs well with my Yamaha B2 amp and Nakamichi C5 preamp.
. Full credit for spelling out all those darn acronyms we all live with these days 👍
Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
The best value in DAC, most transparent sound around.
What specific USB cable did you use from Samsung phone to DAC, if you don't mind?
Hello. It was nothing special; I bought a four pack of different length C to C cables labeled Nimaso. The four pack sells for $13, so... 😉
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What power supply did you use? I u/stand that using a LPS gives better performance than a wall wart. Did the SU1 come with a power supply?
I showed you the unboxing, which clearly shows that no power supply is included. It comes with a single USB-A to USB-C cable. I used USB connectivity to deliver signal and power from - in my tests - both my Windows CAD computer/streamer or my Samsung phone. When used in my Second Space with the optical input, I used a basic Samsung Tablet Wall-Wart supply with that USB-A to USB-C cable. While many have said that the performance increases proportionally with the use of better external supplies, I was not interested in pursuing that route. If you choose to do so, be sure to share your experiences here. Thanks for watching.
as a fellow old fart i appreciate your opening . i LOVED going to used stereo shops in the 70's and 80's !!!
LOL... Thanks!
Agreed, we needed to pay a lot of money back to the 80-90th
Which one do you recommend SMSL SU-1 or SMSL Sanskrit MK3?
Well, as I've never heard the Sanskrit MK3, I have no opinion.
Can that SMSL be used with a macmini or an apple TV4k?
Any digital audio output can be fed into the Dac, then to your amp of choice.
honestly the ps100 for half the price isn't bad at all, use it on a secondary bedroom system and its perfectly fine sounds better then any cell phone dac ive ever heard
Whats with the mattress
Do you mean the dog bed?
Ciao, scusa sono un neofita ma vorrei sapere come collego il mio hd con la mia musica se la porta usb serve per alimentare il dac?
Grazie
Well, if you choose to use the USB-C port ONLY to power the DAC, then you would need to use one of the S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) inputs, either the Coaxial or Optical (Toslink) inputs available. That may be difficult from an external Hard Drive, as they typically do NOT have the ability to output over S/PDIF.
In such a case, you would power the DAC from an external power supply, and then use something like this - www.amazon.com/Converter-CardUSB-Coaxial-Compatible-Windows/dp/B0D2Y5FGFQ/ref=sr_1_4?crid=DGPFJP9K88NT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CA1kGII1qxwWlYcbDznDs_hc9AP08rzI4LPuySk55Y9fbogI1lrXst3FW2L1OqV-fsFXIgjBNIjXbg3LcEIZ6nf2ppFa3EDz1vPetpBki3KKXTc1SPOKC_LY8gXYUjwYBNahVtd4oiljXiVO28njP-ZqN45Etx6-NgpJvuksxQAKbh1eSpb_dh_SBDto5LbeOiwSmJ9ffovWCojN8EuOh1s3xwqC-pJqFvQ3jtu-1navoGuBWV10395QCTwa-NJPgeV5QMTCnkNfCAO4pkZu_8ec24cBCs-ggUAJDihS8aw.ldGdAKhbquHFaNFc_WJbyRjt_aC7m7Vf_9XJ-3_r-v0&dib_tag=se&keywords=USB+to+S%2FPDIF+Adaptor&qid=1722259866&s=industrial&sprefix=usb+to+s%2Fpdif+adaptor%2Cindustrial%2C81&sr=1-4 - a USB to S/PDIF converter.
Best of luck.
Thanks
Try aune x8 with sparkos opamp
I have this dac. Thought this was an April Fools video or something.
Nope, no joke!
Are you saying this dac sounds better than my onboard mid fi denon and yamaha cd player dacs from the 1990s?
Well, I'm not sure what _specific_ products you are talking about. That said, I can't imagine that it won't easily best either one of them - _especially_ any products that are twenty years old.
@@theaudioanalyst I'll be diggity. What is the world coming to!? Actually, listening to the smsl su1 now and comparing it to my denon hdcd player and my yamaha natural sound cd player, both $300 players from the 90's thru my sony es avr and 1985 klipsch la scalas.
Would it be harmful to leave the unit on at all times?
Well, I guess that depends on how you define "harmful." Would it be damaging to the device or its sonic ability? Not in the broadest sense. But, it may shorten the lifespan. There are some who suggest repeated on and off shocks a system more than just leaving it on, while others feel just the opposite. I've seen no definitive evidence for either case, so...your call! 😊
I have 2 SMSL DACs and I can only agree to your statement... it's unbelievable what you can get for little money these days!
Greg knows some stuff about some stuff
LOL... Thanks for picking up on that fact, 😉 and for watching and commenting here!
I have one and it's an easy upgrade to any system over 10 years old that's made up of best buy components
played some Doobie Brothers MQA discs through this....wow
What is MQA?
. . . not to be a spoiler, but your 2d room looks a little hard, behind your speakers, you need some softening on the walls and floor, that mattress won't cut it.
I have SU-1, streaming from my android to my Emotiva amp, into two powerd subs and out to Micca RB- 47 mains in a small room, a very inexpensive system.
In this system, MQA is a much better sound . . . Try using an after market, on line DAC, you can download, like 'USB Audio Pro' . . . in conjunction w/ the SU-1. It 'unfolds' the MQA file, giving you the complete high res performance. . . for 4 bucks. This combo has made my little system sound like 10k.
First, never having been in the room, never actually having heard the system, you somehow think yourself qualified to make ANY comment on how it actually sounds? This is a recurring problem with so many listeners today, one seemingly more frequently expressed by those with the least empirical experience base, feeling that one has any right to express an opinion on how something that they have NEVER HEARD sounds. Unfortunately, you're mistaken, as ANY of the experienced listeners who have been in the room will be happy to share with you. Not that you would care... And by the way, that "mattress," that is a dog bed not a room treatment...
Second, as to the statement "MQA is a much better sound...," as I've said repeatedly, I've heard dozens of "before and after" demos over the past decade, including several conducted by Master Quality Authenticated technology developer Meridian Audio, founded by Bob Stuart and the late Allen Boothroyd. While I am happy that you find it to be of merit, in my experiences with it since 2014, especially in a world-class rig like my reference system (www.theaudioanalyst.com/reference-system/), don't make it worth the cost of the paint it takes to label its inclusion on the DAC's faceplate. Not to put too fine a point on it, but MQA has filed for a specialized form of bankruptcy, and though the company’s assets were recently bought by Ontario-based, Lenbrook Industries, Limited, owners of the brands Bluesound, NAD, and PSB, it has run its course and - most people, like me, couldn't have cared less.
Honestly, HDCD encoding, which came out in 1986 made a more significant sonic improvement than MQA. Developed by "Professor" Keith Johnson (Reference Recordings) and Michael "Pflash" Pflaumer of Pacific MicroSonics, it worked by encoding the equivalent of 20 bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding. Those custom encodings, which did NOT require any decoding, included a Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter, and a Low-Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. And guess what? Even it disappeared when people lost interest as it too was so slight an improvement.
Listen to DSD, especially at the Quad rate (DSD 256, or 11.2 MHz - 11,289,600 Hz - a rate that is 256 times denser than the Redbook CD standard of 44,100 Hz - and actually is encroaching on an analog level of signal density), and you'll begin to understand the potential of digital audio playback.
Greetings, I completely agree with you.
Greg, I definitely take notice when you recommend an ultra affordable product since you
own or review crazy high-end products. For s**** and giggles I picked one up. So far very surprised with how good the CD layer is on a SACD. Better than a 10+ year old SACD player on its own. I currently use the iFi Stream as my digital transport. My cables coming out of it are 5x the price of it.
Hello, Jeffrey! I'm really surprised with just how good this little guy is give its absurd affordability. And, it seems as if you've found a great use for it, amplifying its value even more! Thanks for watching, and taking the time to write, buddy! 😊
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Terrible intro music