Boeing BUSTED STONEWALLING The NTSB Alaska Airlines Investigation: NTSB Boss Testifies To Senate.
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- In SHOCKING Testimony before the US Senate, the NTSB Chief tells Senators that Boeing is stonewalling their investigation of the Alaska Airlines Boeing Max Door Plug Blowout. She also implicates Spirit AeroSystems as also getting in the way of the investigation.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Teaser
1:15 - Maximus Sets Up The Story
2:46 - Senator Cantwell Statement
4:27 - Ted Cruz Statement
5:14 - NTSB Chairpersons Opening
5:48 - FAA is not the problem. BOEING is
6:38 - Boeing REFUSES To Supply Documents
6:53 - WOW TWO MONTHS?!
7:35 -Boeing Refuses To Identify Who Worked On Alaska Aircraft
8:03 - NTSB Chairperson "It's OBSURD!"
8:40 - SHOCK Revelation Spirit Employees Dont Work On The MAX (3 Separate NON-SPIRIT Contractors Do)
9:10 - NTSB Involves Attorneys Now Will Need To Issue Subpoenas
10:34 - Boeing Employees AFRAID To Speak To Investigators
10:49 - How Can Whistleblowers Contact The NTSB?
11:44 - It's Possible Boeing Documents May NOT Even Exist
12:52- The Paperwork Weighs More Than The Plane!
13:51 - The FAA Has Been Very Helpful To NTSB
15:13- Senator Cantwell "It's Beyond Disappointing" Boeing CEO NOT Cooperating Either
15:50 - Additional DOJ Probes
18:00 - Why was the fact that the cockpit door would blow open during decompression hidden from pilots and airlines?
22:33 - What Role Does The 1997 Boeing Douglas Merger Play in Boeing's Ongoing Problems Today In 2024
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Typical boeing behaviour, total absence of integrity and accountability
Oh just stop it. You EuroBrits are so angry all of the time.
Q. Is the BIDEN Family Shareholders??????
@@trevorhart545 No...they are investing in Comac....the Chinese are just super.
Lol, Comac. 😂
And having Mr Rafael Cruz a MAGA hungry for Boeing donation to ask questions… 🤦♂️
As a former QC Inspector for Boeing, I truly appreciate this type of reporting, Max.
Initial cadre B-787 Inspector 2008-2013.
Boeing being Boeing and that has turned out to be a very bad thing.
Retired out early from QA at Boeing and then Spirit Aero because we constantly have our hands tied trying to do our jobs.
QA is "non value added" and they let us know it.
FAA Audits are not spontaneous, they are planned. mgmt knows exactly where and what they want to look at.
If they'd actually do a deep dive they would close spirit's doors.
Glad to be out of that soul sucking hellhole.
Used to be a source of pride to work for Boeing/ Spirit.
Corporate greed killed that AND quality.
CAn you give us your opinion on the matter? How can Boeing reverse this profit first culture?
Im Retired, 11 years now, but I will say Jennifer hamondy accquited herself eloquently in her testimony. How do you fix Boeing without fixing America? The FAA has Boeing’s back, and the NTSB is demonstrating that! She will be ousted from the position. . .
Withdraw boeings licencing.. period
Simple
You tell em Neville.
They really should. Bet those documents would materialise quickly.
Specifically, their production certificate.
Too many government contracts would be shut down if that happens, severely risking our national security. Holding Boeing accountable may require more direct oversight as well as criminal prosecution of executives, starting at the top.
I’m waiting for the “Meanwhile, in some back room, Boeing lobbyists go looking for who they can pressure to stop them asking questions.”
No need, they just killed the whistleblower ... found dead.
Shut down all of Boeings manufacturing until they can prove they can make planes safely and all evidence is submitted. The FAA has to be held to account as well. They were in bed too long with Boeing. The board of Boeing should be held personally and legally liable.
Just stop issuing airworthiness certificates.
The Texas senator believes there is too much regulation. Meanwhile they are pulling off a 737 with failed landing gear off of a Texas runway this weekend.
The Texas senator and his party of winners want less government money spent on the FAA, Environmental Protection, etc and voted against boarder protection ... then has the nerve to ask indignant questions about safety !! He should have stayed in Canada or Cancun, cause he is proving that money and power are why he came to America, not a love of country. (The display of vileness of this creature is worst when he is at his church in Houston or at his father's in Dallas...christian? ROFL).
It's not possible, they manufacture too many weapon systems for the United States government.
Dave Calhoun is the best CEO Airbus ever had
And China’s Comac
And the U.S has the best FAA and the best paid politicians Boeing's money
can buy!😠😠😠
To be fair, all of his four predecessors were even worse, it''s just that their shit hit the fan in Calhoun's time.
@@Daneelrostarting with Phil Condit, Harry Stonecipher, Jim McNerney, Dennis Muillenberg, Dave Calhoun
Hahaha...
When Calhoun says 'Boeing will be transparent' what he means is there will be nothing to see. Because he is stonewalling.
From all the stories that came out of Boeing, I'm not even sure it's Calhoun. It may also be middle and lower management stonewalling & lying to their superiors, who are out of touch & far away.
He meant transparent to his new lobbiest friends in his New Arlington, Virginia HQ and to his Bonus payments.
Not to the poor peasants that are flying his jets. 🤷🏻♂️
Brilliant.
Ted becomes Sgt "I see nothing!!" Schultz outside the committee meetings when the power grid, oil company, and any other corporation lobbyists show up. Raphael Cruz will still vote for Col. Klink too, because "no one escapes Stalag MAGA" after signing a pledge to vote only for "the party of winning" over serving the people !!
The entire Boeing board and a good chunk of the FAA needs to go to prison. Enough is enough.
THEIR BOSS, Joe Biden, Mogadon Man, and his ENTIRE Demoncrat Party need to join them in PRISON for 40 years to Life
I would also put all the politicians who weakened the FAA with cutbacks & political appointments in there with them.
@@Daneelro This. You are on a roll here.
The FAA is part of the "Too big government" problem. Less regulation is best !! The free market will regulate itself. A few deaths is simply the cost of business and covered by increased "efficiency" margins. /s
This comment sounds like someone HatEs CapItalISm !!! /s /s
Remember, this is what the immigrant Senator from Canada came to America for...power and money!! The senator's and his party's whole philosophy is about less government, winning and signing an oath to vote for the leader of his group that believes what was "snarked" above. And not about serving...like his religion is supposed to be about.
Boeing’s board of directors and CEO MUST GO!!
You forgot to add “to jail!”
Many of the board members have cycled out since the MAX crashes.
@@reubenmorris487 but are they engineers?
@@esayay Corporate arrogance will not disappear in this country unless accountability is enforced. Lives have been lost due to the greedy nature of these execs. Enough is enough!
Sounds like "soMeOne hAteS CapItalIsm !" /s
The odious Senator from Texas didn't see a regulation he didn't think was too much government. But he sure looks good showing "true faux neuz" type outrage on committee TV. The Canadian immigrant representing Texas proves how dangerous letting these folks get into the country and then the government, has become /s.
Boeing CEO should be arrested , he can rot in a jail cell until the documents are produced … #accountability
It's not just the CEO, it's the entire management. The previous CEOs were worse.
this. simple keep them accountable.
Perhaps it just takes a little time to create the documents and get all the signatures and stamps just right.
Less accountants, more engineers.
Anyone else would be in jail. But Boeing has been paying off corrupt politicians and the faa for decades. Those rats are afraid that they'll be revealed if Boeing is forced to disclose everything.
Hey FAA, pull Boeings Production Certificate for the 737 MAX. That will get their attention......
Or pull them all. If they don't listen then there is no hope for the company.
Boeing management at all levels has consistently acted in an irresponsible manner for many years now. The shareholders need to take action, or they are complicit in the crimes Boeing is committing.
If you look at the share price for the last 5 years, it has been relatively flat over this period. I guess the longterm shareholders are just hoping to recoup their money and new investors are waiting for a boring year where the company doesn't screw something up.
This refusal to co-operate hints at the problems at Boeing going even deeper, possibly have a much longer history than assumed and therefore will paint an even worse picture at Boeing's corporate culture. I wouldn't be surprised if board - and high management members start resigning because of health or private problems in an attempt to escape being held accountable.
Focus on shareholder value is the root of the problem. "Shareholder value" doesn't value long-term policies, it favours cutbacks, outsourcing & stock buybacks.
"...or they are complicit in the crimes Boeing is committing...". What crimes? Be specific.
Called greed!!!@@Daneelro
Their management belongs in prison for the original Max crashes. They lied to the Government and airline to certify that piece of garbage,
Outrageous. At this point, the FAA should place a freeze on certifications of any planes leaving the Boeing plant until they cooperate.
FAA is Boeing. $$$
The shareholders need to fire the board, the board needs to fire the executive team.
Basically, rip and replace all "accounting" focused executives and replace them with safety first engineering executives.
Also, why have Boeing executives not been brought up on charges of "hindering a federal investigation" yet? People need to be in shackles at this point.
you know how mcdonald duglas basically 'bought' boeing with their own money? I think that airbus should do the same: take in all the talent, and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar, the moment boeing files chapter 11.
Do you think that will change anything? Seriously doubt that, it is systemic.
Need a monty python credit reel of sacking
It's not too hard to conceive of Calhoun walking away with another $67M salary for this year and a slap on the wrist, the same way his predecessor did a few years ago.
Paperwork is what makes an airplane airworthy. Without it you have a pile of scrap metal
Which, funnily enough is why the aircraft that Russia stole in 2022 absolutely worthless outside of Russia and its closest allies.
Boeing manufactures some of the most expensive scrap in the world
They need to file criminal charges against Boeing and Spirit executives for this. Stalling on the data for a major incident investigation is utterly unacceptable. The fact that the NTSB is having to ask for whistle-blowers to investigate a live investigation is just insane. It's criminal behaviour. If this was anyone else except the "too big to fail" Boeing corporation, the consequences would have been severe.
This is a direct consequence of corporate consolidation allowed to reach near monopoly proportions. In military fighter and bomber aircraft, we only have 3 companies. In large commercial aircraft we only have one. In jet engines for both, we have 2 companies.
The Space industry is finally being revitalized because a crazy billionaire had the fanatical focus to produce a strong competitor to the very few, very expensive launch providers that emerged from all the companies in the 1960s and 1970s.
Yeah, funny how the Govt. can be quickly decisive in punishing foreign corporations following discovery of negligence, intentional or otherwise, and yet drag its feet when deliberate non compliance is encountered when investigating malpractice with domestic manufacturers.
Boeing executives are learning from the former president that stalling and saying those documents belong to the company are a perfect way to avoid justice and keep from going insolvent.
It is almost time for the US government to invite EASA in to supervise the FAA and Boeing.
Or the UK's CAA as they have been doing a lot longer than EASA. Except 'Irish' Joe Biden wouldn't like it.
That's a terrible idea.
@@chipset2900would improve the Quality and put trust back in.
We can see we cant trust US manufacturing or government oversight.
@@chipset2900International relations between USA and EU are somewhat sweet right. Then can probably be trusted.
It would not be the first time USA asked for help in auditing.
20:35 not only did Boeing know about it, engineers purposely single sourced the MCAS software to *ONE* AOA sensor as a "fix". Boeing execs and engineers belong in prison.
Being a retired controls person, in industry I never went with just one sensor for anything without some sort of backup. I've also seen new engineers throw all that out and do really stupid things that got guys killed in the distant past. It's like the last 60 or so years in safety innovations where for nothing.
This was so absurd!
To run it through the ADC would risk having to rectify. So they just didn’t.
Originally the MCAS required _two_ sensors: the AoA _and_ a G-force sensor as MCAS was designed to fix certification wind-up turn (an extreme manoeuvre not expected to ever appear in normal flight). As such it had limited power. Then it was changed, without telling the FAA, to be more powerful whilst needing to activate when there wasn't a high G-force, hence that requirement was removed leaving only the AoA.
To use more than one AoA sensor would, I think, mean that the system would then be classed as critical and so need expensive simulator training, something Boeing wanted to avoid at all costs _[sic]_ as it would make the MAX less competitive than the NEO which had caught Boeing sleeping: the total cost of upgrading to a MAX would be less than upgrading to [the cheaper?] NEO as no simulator training would be needed as it was effectively the same as the previous 737 and a quick 1 hour difference only training would be required.
Except that now simulator training has been mandadated destroying the total cost being cheaper line...
@@paulmea3166Much of the engineering today is done in the third world or by low cost inexperienced people. I see it everywhere I look, especially with software.
It just gets worse and worse.
Having worked in the aerospace industry for over 40 years at a major subcontractor to Boeing, Airbus and others, I can state that the transition from engineering people running these companies to accountants doing so is at the root of this. It happened at my company, which is part of why I retired several years earlier than I intended. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if a shift change was involved while this plug was being reinstalled and/or the typical checksheets (w/ QA stamps) were not being used.
Part of the problem appears to be the complicated system to log the work. In this system opening a door plug would require a proper check [by a quality inspector) that it was closed properly.
A simpler work log system was created. It was probably intended for non-critical systems and opening a plug door in this system didn't require a proper check. As a result there was no second pair of eyes to check it was close properly with the 4 retaining bolts.
If the proper work log system had not been so complicated it is likely the simpler system would not have been created and the door plug closure would have been properly checked.
It was the use of an unauthorised method of engine removal that caused the 1979 DC-10 crash when the plane [literally] list an engine when no.1 engine departed the plane. Part of the investigation found that the plane could possibly have landed [fairly] safely if the pilots had known that the plane was about to stall: there was a stick shaker on the captain's yoke, but the first officer's stick shaker was an "optional extra" - the captain's stick shaker was powered off the no. 1 engine and so when that departed the plane it stopped the captain's stick shaker working. The MAX's AoA discrepancy warning was an "optional extra".
If the AoA discrepancy was a standard feature and not an "optional extra" which cost, it is possible the MAX crash pilots may have had a better knowledge of what was happening.
Bottom line vs safety...
@@cigmorfil4101 Funny how MD seems to be associated with both of your examples. That management and its culture has been a cancer on the Commercial Aircraft industry in America.
You could also blame ISO for decentralization. ISO made possible the offloading of work to foreign offices. Boeing is a WEF signatory member.
Another American giant commits corporate suicide. Totally incompetent management.
If the NTSB doesn't have the authority to shut down Boeing if they fail to comply with the investigation, then they can't do their job.
They Do NOT have that authority, unfortunately. Otherwise they wpulr uave prevented dozens if not hundreds of crashes already by enforcing safety improvements after accidents which the FAA always deems unnecessary.
*Only the FAA* , you know that same FAA that allowed Bleing to certify their aircraft themselves and also allowed McDonnell Douglas to keep the DC-10 flying with the faulty cargo door, has the authority to do that.
And since Boeing moved their HQ to Arlington, Virginia (close to D.C.) for a reason....
That will never ever happen.
Even if every day a Boeing jet crashes the FAA will just look the other way as long as big daddy government (also situated in D.C. near Arlington, Virginia...) tells them to.
Which will be the case....as long as this planet exists....
So nope. Not gonna happen. Even if a Boeing jet crashes every day. Boeing can do as they please. And they know it, which is also the reason they are behaving like that. Because they know someone higher up is always keeping their hand above them to always protect them, regardless how many people they kill...
@@ax.f-1256
You really think the public won't take action to actively avoid Boeing planes if one crashes every day?
The result of which will be to lead the airlines to take action against Boeing: demanding fixes, compensation for grounding their planes due to not knowing they're safe to fly, cancelling orders, ec tetera.
Boeing would be forced to do something to ensure their survival as the airlines would lose faith in Boeing aircraft, cancel orders, etc.
@@cigmorfil4101 Nope *there is not a single thing the public could do.* Because what you are seeing is going on for decades already, without anything changing.
The lobbyist's would make sure that certain info is not spread so much in the media (due to lobbying at the media outlets)
The Media would quickly ditch the story again, the public would soon forget about what they heard and Boeing would continue as before.
Nothing would happen and nothing WILL happen. Because that is exactly what Boeing has been doing for decades now 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
A little bit of Lobbying to certain politicians and they would get a lucrative contract for the DOD and everything stays exactly the same way as before.
The public can't do anything. The money and lobbyist's do. And they are doing their jobs to perfection for decades.
So no, nothing is gonna change, just some money to the right pockets and everything stays as it is.
And this is exactly what you are seeing right now. Just some scapegoat are pointed out, someone gets fired (with a golden parachute) to make the public aka "the peasants" quite again and everything continues as before. This is the way it always has been in the US. And THIS is what Dwight Eisenhower was really talking about when mentioned the "Complex"
So now, you can't do a thing to make any changes unless you have a few billion dollars to pay all lobbyist's and have connections to the super rich. Or why do you think, do people enter Congress as ordinary people and after 1-3 years they are multi millionaires or billionaires ??!😂😂
Big corp decides what the country is doing, not the public....
Shareholders want Boeing to move headquarters back to Seattle, the board shut it down. They know it will be their end.
Told the wife just a couple hours ago “I will fly to Vegas this summer but I’m only flying on an Airbus, I don’t care if it’s on an ultra low cost airline” quite a sad state of affairs going on with Boeing.
Hey, don’t forget lil embraer their bigger regional plus planes are not too shabby.
How can Boeing fix their quality & engineering issues when their management consistently tries to cover up all the problems?
The only time a problem is discovered is AFTER the plane autopilot nosedives into the ground (twice), door falls off, wheel flies off & smashes a parked car caught on film (3 times recently), etc
All they want fixed is stock price. Everything they do is in service of that goal.
They can.
It could very well be the internal record keeping inside Boeing has grave failures, and they can't provide the documents the NTSB is asking for.
Boeing, not wanting to be honest and upfront about this to the NTSB then decide to stonewall and cover it up, for fear of prosecutions.
However, secretly, Boeing then set about fixing the manufacturing process issues and traceability. They do it in secret because if it comes out they are working to improve it, the truth comes out they have serious failures here.
So it is quite possible for Boeing to refuse to cooperate with the regulatory authorities whilst working to fix the problems in secret.
Boeing could be hoping they can stonewall the NTSB for long enough to enable them to say "We can't provide you with the records you asked for because there were failures by people in filling those records in, but we have already fixed it, so please don't prosecute us.."
Oh I remember so well when Boeing tried to ditch blame on Spirit and now they are not even able to tell investigators who works in the unit...there is only one solution - revoke any air worthiness certificates for Boeing planes...the threat alone will make them cooperate...
If proper procedures were in place, the whole department could be on sick leave but it'd still be known who touched which bolt.
Boeing: if you're in a hole, stop digging!
If your 737 max is in a hole, then blame the pilot
I think if the shareholders don't take immediate action then boeing is officially done for.
Not the shareholders...they are part of the problem...you need stakeholders to lead the charge..
90 days in jail for contempt for upper management will get their attention
Wait... Boeing can just tell the government to shove it and the best the government can do is cry to congress?
“Greatest country in the world” my ass. If the NTSB can’t force Boeing to hand over the information using FBI-like Agents or police to raid the facilities and take them by physical force, then what good are they?
@@mikoto7693Only the FAA has that authority.
But remember it's that same FAA, that allowed Boeing to self certify their MCAS, gave McDonnell Douglas a Gentleman's agreement on the cargo door of the DC-10 and didn't think smoke detectors in the cargo hold were necessary until AFTER ValuJet 592....
So don't expect them to do anything...like at all. 🤷🏻♂️
Typical US. Big corp control the government not the other way around. That's just the way it is in the US....🤷🏻♂️
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
Besides MCAS, the flight deck door, what other "features" does the MAX have that Boeing is hiding?
Besides the already known facts like:
Missing washers
Missing bolts for door plugs
Disabling Master Caution, never to be seen again
Tires falling off
Deicing destroying engines running dry for 5 min
Lose bolts at the rudder
Oh, a 737 now had to land without a working rudder. Maybe that is related to the loose bolts?
And that's just what to mind right now, there is more.
I wonder that very question almost every shift when we pushback one of those frankenmaxes with our colleagues or friends in the cockpit.
Let's just order a stop work order, shutter the doors of Boeing, then wait to see what happens.
The same Senate that will not address the graft and waste of their fellow government officials is now appalled at how Boeing follows their lead. If the FAA goes after Boeing, then they themselves will be shown as a major part of the problem. Round and round we go.
It's just talk, same as with Calhoun. If they were serious Boeing wouldn't be doing business when they don't come up with the necessary documentation.
How much is the FAA responsible for Boeing's present position?
Imagine a world without white men😮
The government has been putting execs in charge of the faa for decades. They are the ones responsible for all this in the end.
Don't even try to blame Boeing's FAA.
😊
US Culture is the problem.
US C SUITE concentrate only on share price to enrich themselves and everything else is secondary that is the issue.
ITS US CULTURE AND NOTHING ELSE.
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
When I worked at Boeing every aspect of the manufacturing process was documented, and then stored on servers
But, are you old school Boeing when paper records were stored in the salt mines in Hutchinson Ks!?!! 😉☺️
When was this?
@rogerk6180
We were still using paper documents until 2006/2007 at Spirit when we went to MES and then later SAP electronic documentation on Boeing programs.
@@GrannySmith123 that is nearly 20 years ago. A lot can change in that time, and the way it seems a lot has changed during that time.
The fact that everything was documented back then, as it should be obviously, does not mean they are still this diligent, especially with "small" irregular jobs that pop up during shifts or especially during shift changes. Where the chance of things like these being overlooked during shift transfers exponentionally increases.
The problem with things like this, mergers, reorganisations, legislative and/or policy changes etc. is that the effects of them on bottom lines and profitability almost always show themselves almost immediatly. And therefor are always concidered and seen as extremely succesful and without any real or obvious downsides, and because of that have ingrained themselves as the new magic corperate bullit and has now become the standard business culture everywhere that must be persuid everywhere. And for which execs are trained and what they are selected for.
But the operational part of a business adapts much much slower to this new approach. It takes time to erode away a certain working culture. Like the focus on safety, good administration, quality of work etc.
People have learned the importance of safety first, making sure the papertrail is maintained, what quality is exceptable and what isn't. People have worked like that for years and a new management does not change that from one day to another. These structures will stay in place for as long as the same keep doing the same job as they did before.
But over time management might start slowly cutting away in processes, people over time move out of there job and new personel that never worked under the old culture replace them and are trained in a way that no longer instills those old values that ensured the high quality or reliability.
This process takes time, in a company like boeing it might even take a decade or even 2 decades before the culture and work ethic that made a company like that as great as it was to erode away to the point where the priorities trully change and when the vast majority of people who work there are trained to prioritise efficienty and speed instead of precision and quality.
The timegap between the executive shift and the eventual working culture shift happening very often ends up disconnecting the two.
The executive shift produced immediate positive results and didn't show any major downsides for many years and ends up being seen as some super smart and effective feat of exceptional management.
But when the effects of that shift eventually start to expose themselves trough a string of major failures the cause is searched for in recent changes or events. And any proposed "solutions" are then also only focused on them. Which will obviously never solve any of the systemic problems that have been created.
We are now 20 year on from the merger and "self regulation" boom of the 90s and early 2000s. And i suspect that what is happening to boeing now is just the tip of the iceberg. A whole lot of these mega corperations created in those days will start running into the exact same problems.
The relentless corner cutting and saving money by eating away at the buffers that existed in these companies beforehand will now start to expose themselves.
Boeings problems are just a symptom of an economy wide problem that has been brewing beneath the surfice for many years. Many more american corperations will start finding themselves in simmilar situations going forward. And most of them will blame the wrong things for their problems and end up filling one hole by digging another next to it until things spiral out of control.
And the scary part is that there seems to be very little that can be done to stop it at this point and predicting where this will lead to is impossible.
The idea that no coverage exists for a senior manager at a company the size of Boeing is absurd. This form of corporate gamesmanship is not what Boeing needs to be doing right now. Nobody will support their heal dragging anymore.
Used to be if it ain't a Boeing I ain't going. Now it is if it is a Boeing I ain't going. Reflects AmeriKa as a whole going down the drain.
It was weird watching Senator Ted Cruz, one of those politicians who were very much in favour of the "business-friendly" policies that allowed this situation to develop, posture as a concerned lawmaker. (I don't think these were the replies he was expecting, but he knew when his usual game won't work.)
I concur
I would wager that there are some very naughty conversations in the SAT/CMES system, with a senior manager telling someone to just 'Get it done' without documenting it.
Day 1 basics of any incident for a document controller is to lock the records relevant to the incident and make them available for any forthcoming investigation. Amazed how low their quality system has fallen such that this simple action seems like a novel process for Boeing!
But then the FEDs might find out that Boeing is totally at fault and fine them. Better burn the documents and pretend the don't exist.
You know, like Dyatlov style like in the Chernobyl series:
*You didn't see documents, because there are not there !!*
This is how 100% total unliugreed looks like...
Nothing to lock down if there exist no documents.
it's not low quality. It's working specifically as Boeing intends it to work. Stall the investigation until you can pressure someone to drop it.
Boeing needs to have their military contracts cancelled, and then let's see how fast they respond. Those contracts are what is keeping the company afloat, hit them in the wallet where it hurts the most.
They’re hands are in too many products to do that. That’s why they know they can act like this. This is why consolidation while seemingly more efficient, is bad bad bad.
Cancelling military contracts will mot resolve any issues with the comercial side of Boeing. That is just an irresponsible knee jerk response, the section responsible for the work defect should be held accountable and share details of how this will be avoided for all future work. Surprise on site inspections in the future would tighten up any loose ends in quality in short order.
It would be quicker to ask the Boeing employees IN congress .
Like, Niki Haley.... who was on the board until 2020.
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
When the shits hit the fan the execs will get the golden parachute and the engineers get to hold the shits
I would suggest Boeing doesn’t have any maintenance records because there is no procedure for opening and closing the door plug. But they probably don’t want to admit that either.
I would also suggest that the engineers that designed the door plug, never intended for it to be removed for fitting out the aircraft or for maintenance, unless it was being replaced with a door.
I think it was established that there was a procedure for removal and replacement of the door plug during manufacture, but not for opening and closing.
MS Homendy is a seriously impressive operator.
She choked on the last question. She would not say decisively that Boeing has a glaring safety issue.
She can’t. She hasn’t gotten any evidence to say that. It was the right call because the issue is she’s not getting anything from Boeing to be able to say one way or the other.
and now the whistle blower is DEAD. Let that sink in
Damn, she is doing a stellar job as the chair of NTSB - I wish we had more ppl like her in position of power. Calm, clear, fair and persistent. Kudos to the NTSB staff as well, this sort of quality escape is priority #1 to track down and fix, thousands of lives are at stake every day.
Cocking a snook at the boss of the NTSB in this way is beyond arrogant and disrespectful. It's stupid and short-sighted.
How do you go about cocking a snook? Is it similar to cooking a snack? Or smacking a cook? Snogging a cooch? lol
The manager involved is out on sick leave. So my question is did the sick leave start before or after the door plug incident?
'we don't have that on record....as well'
We all know its not the time, effort and money Boeing spends on quality control and safety of its planes. Its the time, effort and money Boeing spends on lobbyist that keeps them profitable.
Boing; where quality escapes and ruin resides.
Keep 'em coming Max! you're awesome.
Boeing being Boeing, and that has turned out to be a bad thing!
NTSB PUTS THE SCREWS ON BOEING (because the production team didn't)
THE FAA MUST order a total stop on the 737 production lines, until this investigation is completed, and a COMPLETE rebuild of Boeing production line safety is in place.
In the UK, as soon as an incident/ accident occurs ALL RECORDS ARE PUT IN A SAFE AND THE CREW IS ARRESTED. - Not because they are guilty, but So that ALL the records can be legally secured! Why isn't the F.A.A so enabled and how on earth can Boeing get away with this?
Thanks for your diligence in these ongoing investigations. keep up the great work
lets grab the tickets for the Calhoun sh&t show before Congress. Hopefully they'll give him the same chair that Muilenburg chewed his way thru! How the EFF does the board, and the stockholders allow this Stonewalling continue? Incredulous! This IS absurd.
While middle finger waving is quite likely, so is the possibility that this work was not documented - that requires too much time and effort.
The only priority is to get the aircraft delivered so they can get paid.
if this was the case then this would mean Boeing has no safety culture. Anytime any part is removed, fitted or re-worked it should be documented. At the very least this is to protect the person who signed the previous work on this part and at the very best to ensure there is an open entry for the required work to refit the disturbed part. This is the fundamental practice which every aircraft technician/mechanic is taught during their training.
THIS!
too much rework without removals and pickups being written. They cost the Co. Too much money.
If it doesn't require ENG/MRB disposition on a QN, too often the mechanics are reworking without proper documentation.
Wouldn't at all be surprised.
It worries me that these documents likely don’t exist. I don’t understand Boeing at all. I’m a lowly aircraft cleaner and ramper in the UK and our airport “employer ecosystem” (lots of different people working for different companies working together around the airport to make everything function) is practically safety obsessed.
For example, I or anyone else who works on the apron (airfield) can get an aircraft-any aircraft-immediately grounded by reporting seeing something that looks broken or wrong with it. In practice this means only 10-30 minutes because mechanics are onsite 24/7 and will be deployed immediately to check on what has been reported.
And nobody minds in the slightest if the person reporting it is wrong and the aircraft is fine. They’d rather we felt comfortable enough to make that report just in case the person was actually correct. Also if we accidentally damage anything then we don’t face any punishment. If we break something and don’t report it fearing for our job then the results could be as catastrophic as causing a crash.
*That* is proper safety culture where even the lowliest of staff are given responsibility to protect the aircraft and everyone who flies. I don’t understand how Boeing is different. I couldn’t live with myself if I’d been responsible for a crash and I don’t understand how anyone could.
Still, if it doesn’t exist, no amount of foot dragging is going to fix that. Unless they’re pencil whipping up years of fake evidence.
After hearing all of this its scary to think American Airlines just ordered 85 737 Max planes. I guess its just more of the good ole' boys CEO's club shoring each others criminal acts up.
The guys who opened the plug are : Mr White, Mr Pink, Mr Green...
I thought it was Mr M. Mouse, Mr D. Duck, Mr P. Dog, and Ms M. Mouse
@@davidwright7193 No it was Larry, Mo and Curly. Shemp supervised.
FAA - Pull Boeing's damn 737 damn type certificate until they provide the responses requested.
The FAA will do nothing of the kind. The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
It should be easy if Boeing don't provide then names the managers should be fully liable for the consequences.
Easily solved. Remove all certifications of ALL Boeing aircraft with immediate effect. Keep them grounded until Boeing actually complies to NTSB demands.
For me the obvious question is
"How else is Boeing failing but there's been no accident yet, to highlight the failings?
Calhoun and the whole Board should be held accountable. In fact, if they have any sense of shame at all, they should all RESIGN.
Boeing: when one door closes, another door opens.
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TRY to bring those concerns forward! See how fast you're labeled a "troublemaker" and moved to different shops!
FAA needs to deep dive at Spirit Aero. They would shut them down. Only obvious failures like the plug door raise awareness but its so much worse inside the factory. Mgmt watches people like hawks lest they bring something to auditors attention.
They dont WANT to see or know how negligent it really is.
Really appreciate this video thanks and the chapters were an absolute Godsend - thank you!
Frankly I find it hard to believe that a device that can litterally fly an airplane into the ground is dependent on a single sensor (MCAS).
YES!! You are correct! Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA) is a tool for conducting a systematic, proactive analysis of a process in which harm may occur. In an FMEA, a team representing all areas of the process under review convenes to predict and record where, how, and to what extent the system might fail. (Google)
This was obviously an egregious failure of the design process. Blind Freddy could see that this was a dangerous system. In fact it was criminally negligent. But no one went tp prison.
MCAS, bow your head and up your butt.
Thank you Boeing, just want flying.
Correction- The sensor is called AOA sensor AOA is angle of attack. MCAS is the software that reads input from AOA sensor. Faulty sensor leads to MCAS commanding the aircraft to nosedive.
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And faulty MCAS software couldn't work out: "ok I've ordered a nose down (quite a bit) and the AoA hasn't changed, something is wrong here; I'd better give up and let the pilots sort this out."
It's as though the MCAS panicked with tunnel vision: AoA is too high, must push nose down, must push nose down, must push nose down,...
Boeing is doomed! after the dreamliner chaos, it was a given
You like saying that don't you. Sorry pal...not gonna happen.
While they would deserve it, to make room for someone else, it's not going to happen.
Too many orders waiting to be fulfilled. And there is no competitor to take over, or at least able to produce them within a reasonable time.
And BOOM! Just now another MAX8 were in an accident. One hour ago! In your face
Look at the news. Another Max airplane in an accident. Just an hours ago@@jantjarks7946
And boom! Just like that! One hour ago another Max8 in an accident. Go figure. I am pretty sure i am not your pal :)@@RLTtizME
That is how they cooperate. It's a Boeing thing.
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
The government need to block any government contracts where there are safety concerns.
Well they could have started with the KC-46 boondoggle but its too late now so all they can do now is give the next larger tanker contract to Airbus as the A330 is far bigger and more capable. And it all works.
Time for the FAA to stop the Max production line and go through quality and documentation steps, step by step before a restart. Probably about 3 months
Its shocking to see how far Boeing has slid down the quality scale when focusing on profits. The merger has been a train wreck to Boeing's previous safety record. Hopefully the entire board is fired and more safety conscious members are appointed. This has to start at the very TOP of the power pyramid in order to really make a difference. Now I only fly Airbus now wherever possible. Thank you for the fantastic content.
NTSB also investigates train wrecks...
@@johnbriggs3916what them selfs
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Respect to the senators and NTSB investigators. They really want to know the truth.
Boeing has been forced to open their own carpet manufacturing division.
Seems they have already exhausted every carpet they could get their hands on to sweep the proverbial ‘dust’ under it, they need to make their own carpet now!🤣
I'm guessing there isn't a whole lot of documentation to demonstrate due diligence around the whole process of removing and fitting of the doors.
We are Boing and therefore beyond any legal prosecution.
I'm surprised the depressurization effects on the flight deck were not covered in training or asked about by pilots. Every pressurized plane may have different systems used and pilots normally like to know they will not be trapped or hit in the head by panels or a door breaking free in different depressurization situations. I would be shocked if the maintenance/engineering department didn't know what systems were installed.
The 737 traditionally had a blowout panel near the bottom of the door but it was changed on the MAX so the whole door opens but this is not documented in the pilots flight manual, it still references the blow out panel (cut and paste aircraft documentation)!
Thank you for sharing. This is deeply disturbing.... there is absolutely no reason that Boeing shouldn't be able to provide that info to the NTSB within a week of request. Every step of their manufacturing process is underpinned by documentation & sign-off, so dodging the NTSB's requests is a clear sign that they are deliberately stalling... I shudder to think of the reasons why.
And the FAA are nothing more than a department of Boeing at this point... I'm sick of reading NTSB reports with the same handful of strongly-recommended industry & safety improvements year after year, because the same problems keep recurring & yet the FAA steadfastly declines to address them or even enforce the regulations it _does_ adopt.
It's taken over 50 years for the aviation industry to build a gold-standard risk & safety record... and those regulations have all been written in blood. Boeing & the FAA could destroy it overnight if allowed to continue like this.
It appears as if rudder paddles get stuck now
Death sentence
Thank you for posting Maximus. We need to advocate for criminal prosecution of any party regulatory, or corporate that is not doing everything possible to ensure the safety of these planes. Without criminal prosecution Boeing and it's minions at the FAA will simply view penalties and lawsuits as just the cost of doing business.
Congrats, Maximus! This is a good example of the type (and format) of video we expect from you (as you asked for suggestions of content for you channel). Thank you!
Cancel the license and take over
They would sooner burn it down then hand it over. This is against the U S business ethos
If it's BOEING I ain't GOING, this company has gone from good to bad!
The ranking member be like: "oh, gotta catch my flight to Cancun. See ya!"
Thank you for putting this together.
Boeing the once proud company I was impressed with has turned into a shameful shadow of itself. Now 737MAX has a rudder issue.
Corporations know they don’t have to follow the laws anymore. Delay, disrupt, and pay the tiny relative to their income fines. Apologize, and do it again.
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
This has been my hypothesis for the last month: I suspect that they have a process that says “we document who did the work and who signs it off”. And I don’t think they have this documentation. Hence they are trying to stall and lobby their way out of this.
I got the same impression when I visited the Renton factory a few years ago. There was palpable arrogance coming from the tour personnel. I get the need to protect their technology but the whole corporate culture just felt shady to me. I asked about the Boeing 737 design and whether age was becoming an issue. The response I got was overtly hostile. In my opinion, Boeing had better sort out its issues if it doesn't want the Boeing/Airbus duopoly to become an Airbus monopoly.
I`m surprised Boeing is still in business. Or is the company is "to big to fail"? Or even, maybe friends in very high places?
TBTF but needs to fail anyways, they broke the company and lost the pieces in the process.
All of the above.
Pentagon needs Boeing, as counter to Lockheed and Northrop price inflation.
Boeing (once again) moved their HQ. This time from Chicago to Arlington, Virginia. You know...where the Pentagon is. Maybe that answers your question... 😂
They have some very big DoD contracts, including the Navy’s all super Hornet carrier fleet.
Govts should punish companies not only by fines, which are basically wrist slaps, but with total ceasing of operations for a set period of time so the company sees NO profit whatsoever. And complete closure should violations repeat.
Extreme problems require extreme measures.
Sack the entire board at Boeing if engineering and innovation has to return as the number 1 priority.
The FAA is in Boeings pocket. Most congressmen too. And the Pentagon.
boeing is perfectly fine with the airline industries' new online set up, where they give the passengers a choice NOT to fly on a max. I.E. boeing is perfectly fine with going out of business. go out of business, boeing. do it right now, and save yourselves some energy.
edit: I am sure that airbus would love to scoop up all that work-floor talent too. because that kind of talent is actually fairly hard to come by.
Over two years running, and still a fan of Maximus! Hail, Caesar!
USA at it's best: exposing the rot and trying to fix things.
Regards from Argentina.
Take them to court and fine them every day they don’t provide it! So weak, your the NTSB. Where is the FAA on this?!
Shut the factory until they provide the information. Money or loss of money always gets thing moving.