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  • @sayrah6716
    @sayrah6716 3 года назад +726

    this is one of the best vice features because of the interviewer. I'm so glad an actual trans woman of color was the one interviewing the community; it's clear how connected she is with the people she's speaking to, and it shows so much more care and consideration. really sad to see some of the comments and the current ratio, because this is an amazing piece.

    • @preshyp
      @preshyp 3 года назад +10

      Completely agree

    • @potatosconejohnwatp970
      @potatosconejohnwatp970 3 года назад +3

      Would it have been different with a southern man that cared?

    • @ubaydahkramez9898
      @ubaydahkramez9898 3 года назад +6

      @@potatosconejohnwatp970 Yes, becuase identity politics and optics are all that matters

    • @saimaurice3652
      @saimaurice3652 3 года назад +30

      @@potatosconejohnwatp970 yes, because there is a degree of personal relation that is harder to form when someone cannot relate to the experience

    • @tipthornton3716
      @tipthornton3716 3 года назад +2

      Absolutely.

  • @sandrallewellyn2632
    @sandrallewellyn2632 3 года назад +411

    It's unreal that he's out and about on bail with no trial date set... it's SHAMEFUL! He's a danger to society. Period.

    • @chuchu9649
      @chuchu9649 3 года назад +1

      you can’t be detained indefinitely before you are convicted with a crime. it’s people like you who believe in incarceration which hurts us black folk. you want this murderer to be detained without trial but when you advocate for that you also advocate for detention of those who commit petty crimes. pretrial detention ruins lives and traps us in criminality. go read about the prison industrial compkex before you get us hurt with your colorblind imagination.

    • @lailanimessina1473
      @lailanimessina1473 3 года назад +41

      @@chuchu9649 yet people that got caught with weed are sitting in jail WAITING FOR TRIAL 🙄 He’s WORSE than most that are waiting on their time in court smh It’s because of who he killed that he’s able to be out on bail

    • @queenshayh
      @queenshayh 3 года назад +23

      @@chuchu9649 literally NONE of that matters in this situation. He killed a woman because she was transgender PERIOD his ass needs to be under the jail.

    • @jaydubbs8277
      @jaydubbs8277 3 года назад +3

      @@chuchu9649 dont nobody gaf abt the boohoo black victimization bullshit.

    • @foxyrocky7522
      @foxyrocky7522 3 года назад +1

      @Chris Jones woman, you not gonna win anything by doing that babe

  • @dayanderson236
    @dayanderson236 3 года назад +167

    I love love loveeeee the Aunty that said “whatever you do Kelly, I just want you to be amazing at it” ❤️❤️❤️
    Aunty of life award ❤️🥇

    • @dayanderson236
      @dayanderson236 3 года назад +1

      @Deniz Metin T. for sure

    • @elizabethbartlett7081
      @elizabethbartlett7081 3 года назад +2

      I agree! I also like how they say their world is off kilter without her❤️ I can feel that from them.

  • @dw9944
    @dw9944 3 года назад +472

    The moment, I heard his excuse, I knew he was a customer.
    His behaviour had little to do with being a pastor, I bet she refused him something and he proceeded to kill her.
    Sex work is VERY DANGEROUS. I agree with the woman who passed away, sex workers need to be protected.

    • @dw9944
      @dw9944 3 года назад +56

      @Rico Happyrock Not everyone has that luxury. If they had the option, they wouldn't be sex workers.

    • @Lost-in-Wonderland
      @Lost-in-Wonderland 3 года назад +54

      @Rico Happyrock Trust me, sex work isn't a top occupational choice for anyone! It usually is out of complete necessity. To believe otherwise is a highly naive and ignorant perspective of the difficulties that exist in this world. Be grateful you've never been in a position where turning to such work was do or die.

    • @dalethomasdewitt
      @dalethomasdewitt 3 года назад +1

      @Rico Happyrock something I read in Kundalini yoga as a teenager. Playing with the serpent can be dangerous etc..

    • @Pataganja
      @Pataganja 3 года назад +19

      Nah he prob thought people were about to find out he been with a trans that’s what happened in 99% of these cases

    • @cieracockerham6062
      @cieracockerham6062 3 года назад

      @Rico Happyrock thank you

  • @jessicasanchez537
    @jessicasanchez537 3 года назад +130

    Kelly’s families really really loved her. What a beautiful thing to see.
    The fact her momma and aunties used her preferred pronouns is such validation to that young woman’s existence. We deserved to be validated.
    Great doc

  • @larhondamickles3976
    @larhondamickles3976 3 года назад +105

    What is more sad, is that I'm from Detroit, I live here, lived here in 2018......never heard about this till today.

  • @mandyh9832
    @mandyh9832 3 года назад +73

    The young lady conducting the interview did a wonderful job 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @melissagonzalez9618
    @melissagonzalez9618 3 года назад +157

    Kelly deserves justice, the community deserves justice. May this “pastor” rot in hell and pay for his sin, absolutely disgusting human being. I hope this video brings forth justice or helps move this case along, because with this video our eyes are on Detroit.

    • @JNB520
      @JNB520 2 года назад

      Jt cooper that's not what it was . He was known to the trans women (sex workers) and let me tell u this, it still doesn't give him any right to kill someone.

    • @darkroses3479
      @darkroses3479 2 года назад

      He claims she was robbing him and it was self defense.

    • @justice-peace3333
      @justice-peace3333 7 месяцев назад

      He @@darkroses3479

    • @GummerHummerQueen
      @GummerHummerQueen 25 дней назад

      On July 27, 2023, Weathers pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and felony firearm, with a sentence agreement of eight years for the second-degree murder charge and two years for the felony firearm charge.
      'Justice' isn't something the U.S is capable of, I doubt the legal system could even if they actually tried. It's a stage show of illusions & delusions.

  • @averystevens1606
    @averystevens1606 3 года назад +327

    "What's your real name" - that actually broke my heart. As a transwomen we try our best to dissasociate from our assigned genders at birth. The look on Kyra's face shows how EXHAUSTED she is from people testing her identity💔💔💔.

    • @GDL364
      @GDL364 3 года назад +13

      They are literally in a courtroom he probably wanted the real name on the record for legal reasons.

    • @foxyrocky7522
      @foxyrocky7522 3 года назад +44

      @@GDL364 she said her legal name once as they said… he was literally just testing her trying to antagonize her… she said it before and then said what she goes by. She don’t need to say it twice

    • @elizabethjohnson53
      @elizabethjohnson53 2 года назад +11

      Assigned? That makes no sense...

    • @foxyrocky7522
      @foxyrocky7522 2 года назад +1

      @@elizabethjohnson53 yes… it does… were you not assigned as male/female/boy/girl at birth? At this point y’all hide from obvious facts and knowledge, if we said the sky is blue y’all would argue with that.. smh

    • @arteminor2213
      @arteminor2213 2 года назад +2

      ​@@foxyrocky7522 You live in a fantasy world plain and simple! Sex and gender are one in the same and because those that are easily manipulated into believing in this orchestrated facade the end game is game over!
      I am a female a woman and if my son came to me with anything I would never turn him away but knowing what I know I would not call him a female and equip him with the full Blueprint that is not public knowledge!
      You don't know what you think you know! This isn't going to end nicely because you are vocal and visual puppets for a completely different agenda and when everyone can "identify" as whatever then under the umbrella of whatever then it's whatever it will be and nobody cares, not anyone white, Asian or that can pass visually! As you can clearly see that this way isn't working yet you continue with the narrative and terms The System that cares for no one gave you!
      You can't out someone that says they're a man that wishes he was female and doesn't call himself and or place himself in the female lane! What can someone really say to blunt open honesty? Not much, not much! You bully females in every way including murder then have the audacity to demand "female" prison terms, surgeries and special treatment because you're men! You're murderers are other men that bully and kill you isn't that ironic?
      The System that pretends to be on your side isn't it outs you then encourages your demise especially Black males and you're still begging The System for cares, mind-blowing! Again, if you weren't out there hating actual Black women while trying to be white women you might be able to see the lemons before purchase! Ask yourself what is identifying and alls these every second made-up terms really mean and end! This is how civilizations are destroyed! You're more worried about the name game than the actual person that looks like Lebron James in a wig and dress! Black males are encouraged to follow whites and Asians who are naturally more feminine and still see Blacks as lesser! If you think for one second I'm wrong then show me the numbers of these murders decreasing!

  • @melanie9063
    @melanie9063 3 года назад +143

    I'm praying for your community....as a straight woman, please believe we know that trans women ain't tricking nobody, we know these men purposely seek out trans women, why they treat you like their "dirty little secret" is beyond me, because it's never the secret they think it is....lots of women overlook it and play dumb because they know there's nothing they can do to stop it or they need dude around for financial reasons...it pisses me off that these men will take a life in fear of being outted, when they are the ones that sought out the trans woman that was minding her business and living her life....God Bless You All ❤️.....got an ally in me 4ever....stay safe ladies❤️

    • @BridgettS
      @BridgettS 2 года назад +9

      Well said I couldn’t agree more.

    • @caseydub7546
      @caseydub7546 2 года назад

      This is a sin and destroying their souls and bodies…an ally lol stupid don’t be part of this satanic shit

    • @melanie9063
      @melanie9063 2 года назад +9

      @@caseydub7546 concern yourself with YOUR OWN SALVATION, and let everyone else do the same, last I checked there is only one ultimate Judge and it ain’t you

    • @lilmisspettiieee
      @lilmisspettiieee 2 года назад +6

      Thank you mamas i love everything you said 🫶🏼 we love and appreciate u too. Thanks for understanding and being willing to learn and be open minded

    • @raymondtittle2918
      @raymondtittle2918 2 года назад +1

      You just preached a whole word, well said girl.

  • @violindiscoverywithms.lesl4396
    @violindiscoverywithms.lesl4396 3 года назад +41

    It’s unfathomable that there are people in the comments who see justification for murder here. 😡

  • @mz.pretty4226
    @mz.pretty4226 3 года назад +56

    As a trans woman myself from New Orleans, this is so heartbreaking and disturbing to know that we're still getting killed for be our tru authentic selfs.....#justice4kelly.....praying 4 her family, friends, and the lives that she touched...#stopkillingus💗💙🤍🏳️‍🌈

    • @keashaqueen715
      @keashaqueen715 3 года назад +9

      YOU ARE A WHOLE DUDE..NOT A WOMEN

    • @saharastorm179
      @saharastorm179 3 года назад +6

      Stay safe hun❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @megg10
      @megg10 3 года назад +4

      @@keashaqueen715 how does it feel being wrong? Trans women are women

    • @keashaqueen715
      @keashaqueen715 3 года назад +9

      @@megg10 WHOLE MEN ...BORN A MAN IS A MAN..PERIOD

    • @indashadewithguccipaid510
      @indashadewithguccipaid510 3 года назад

      Louisiana in the building what's your ig

  • @InstantlyGlam4BreonnaTaylor
    @InstantlyGlam4BreonnaTaylor 3 года назад +222

    Him “looking for gas” just sounds like a complete lie. Why would you be that far away from home, on that side of town, looking for a gas station on your way to work?!?

    • @abdur1300
      @abdur1300 3 года назад +5

      @@lafireteamplx3400 What do u mean? U smoking weed or what? what ppl?

    • @Crispr00
      @Crispr00 3 года назад +5

      @@lafireteamplx3400 thats her name… my name is George Floyd…

    • @Cmoneythegreat
      @Cmoneythegreat 3 года назад +6

      @@lafireteamplx3400 you must be white lol

    • @thcxgold
      @thcxgold 3 года назад +3

      @@abdur1300 trust me that’s not weed, that a little somethin somethin extra they’re on 👀 lol

    • @magnumxlpi
      @magnumxlpi 3 года назад +5

      @@lafireteamplx3400 liberal white person complaining about a girl's real name because no real problems or better things to do?

  • @tylerm124
    @tylerm124 3 года назад +164

    I don't think you have to agree with peoples life choices, but treating someone with disrespect or the absolutely unthinkable taking someone's life for that is obscene. You should always treat everyone with respect whether you agree with their stance or not because they are still people and people deserve that kind of respect.
    This guy is a monster wether the killing was because of her being Trans or just because. No one deserves to play god.

    • @Momo-vl7ly
      @Momo-vl7ly 3 года назад +1

      Not everyone

    • @owenbell3804
      @owenbell3804 3 года назад +23

      Being trans isn’t a choice tho

    • @djedirashakim6883
      @djedirashakim6883 3 года назад

      @@owenbell3804 how isn't it. Everything that involves action is a choice.

    • @tylerm124
      @tylerm124 3 года назад +4

      @@owenbell3804 sorry didn't mean it to be worded like that. My intent wasn't to belittle Trans people I hope you can still understand the overall sentiment and tone of the comment

    • @maurreese
      @maurreese 3 года назад +7

      Being trans is not a choice literally cultures Centuries and even millennia ago understood this from the Jewish faith to Native Americans here in North America.

  • @daniellebrown7595
    @daniellebrown7595 3 года назад +40

    My cousin is apart of this community in Detroit, she was also in the photo that was taken in this interview
    To think about someone harming or doing something so horrendous to my cousin because they aren’t acceptable to theirselves really upsets me.

  • @coyharlingen
    @coyharlingen 3 года назад +17

    blows my mind the amount of love flowing through this community. To go through the darkest of days yet push through to the other side and bless us with wisdom and courage. thank you.

  • @PrettyDimeTheWordsmith
    @PrettyDimeTheWordsmith 3 года назад +42

    Regardless to my personal opinion on the option of changing genders, if someone decides to do that, it is their personal choice, and I respect them as a PERSON. I have made choices others wouldn't agree with too, but that is free will. As long as they are not hurting others, they deserve to live and be respected as human beings. Peace.

  • @j-divine7182
    @j-divine7182 3 года назад +27

    Watching Kelly's family talking about her even wearing the rainbow face mask, beautiful just beautiful 😢

  • @Garbeaux.
    @Garbeaux. 2 года назад +6

    What’s ironic is the fact he took her life bc he didn’t want anyone to know about them yet now everybody he knows, his city, and the US+ knows! I don’t know how a pastor of all people can not only live a double life like that but turn around and commit murder. It’s now mid 2022 but yet he’s still not gone to court. Shameful.

  • @Mrsqtfactory
    @Mrsqtfactory 3 года назад +90

    I rarely ever cry, but I cried when I heard Kelly's family members talking about their memories of her. It's heartbreaking to see and hear the injustices carried out by the very people we expect to uphold the highest moral standards.

  • @lizstallard9902
    @lizstallard9902 3 года назад +43

    To all those who feel the need to post negative comments . You need to LOOK at YOURSELF and ask why this frightens and disgusts you so much ?

    • @liquidcane3745
      @liquidcane3745 3 года назад

      💜❤

    • @ChildOfYAHUUH
      @ChildOfYAHUUH 3 года назад +2

      This doesn't frighten me at all, but I feel as if it is LITERALLY common sense not to hook up with strangers or to provide sex work without acknowledging or preparing for the fact that you're endangering your life by doing so. The best friend changed life around quickly and got a job and a car after the murder, so I'm at a loss as how it is so "necessary" for trans to do sex work? Regardless, I don't see this as a hate crime because it's not trans exclusive. Anyone who regularly hooks up with strangers or performs sex work could become a victim. This has happened to straight men and women, gay men and women as well as transgendered people. You have to be willing to protect yourself by not putting yourself at risk if you don't want to be murdered. Otherwise, you're an easy target.

    • @thegreatgoddess9149
      @thegreatgoddess9149 3 года назад

      @@ChildOfYAHUUH What about police officers or soldiers... Do they deserve to be killed because they make a living from a job where their life could be in danger? If everyone thought like that then we would have no protect us. And a lot of trans people are kicked out by their family and they have to resort to doing sex work or else they will STARVE. They have no financial support and have to have their basic needs met so what should we expect to happen?

    • @ChildOfYAHUUH
      @ChildOfYAHUUH 3 года назад +1

      @@thegreatgoddess9149 You're reaching. Providing a service to protect and serve is in no way, shape or form similar to sex work. Besides that, police officers and soldiers are provided training and are armed in preparation to face an enemy. Sex workers voluntarily put their lives at risk. There are countless resources for them to take advantage of; those resources which cater specifically to LGBTQ besides the ones which assist the general public. There are employment agencies which work with employers and ensure that the people whom they send out for employment aren't discriminated against. Where there's a will, there's a way if a person is willing to put in the effort. There are too many opportunities for the people of the LGBTQ community for them to be using the same excuses they used 30 years ago when that type of discrimination was prominent and tolerated. These days, discrimination is taken very seriously and have detrimental consequences, so there's really no excuse for a person to be doing sex work except that it is what they choose to do for fast and easy hook ups and money. And if you're not willing to protect yourself, then you shouldn't be looking for anyone else to do what you're not willing to do for yourself. They need to stop putting themselves in situations where they can be murdered because it's a reality for any and everyone.

    • @missandry2669
      @missandry2669 Год назад

      🤡

  • @spacejelly4600
    @spacejelly4600 3 года назад +168

    The way her friend was talked to in court. “What’s your real name?” Sir she said what she said. In order to testify you have to have a “real name”. 🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @b3z3jm3nny
      @b3z3jm3nny 3 года назад +20

      yeah I'm so mad, who was that lawyer; I just wanna talk...

    • @Bruce_Gruesome
      @Bruce_Gruesome 3 года назад +34

      You do need a real name because you may end up charged with perjury. If you give a fake or nickname you can easily skip court if your testimony is found to be a lie.

    • @b3z3jm3nny
      @b3z3jm3nny 3 года назад +44

      @@Bruce_Gruesome She had already given her birth name... it was in the record. No reason for the defendant's lawyer to make her repeat it, calling it her "real name"; and as the judge pointed she swore under oath that Kyra was her name.

    • @Bruce_Gruesome
      @Bruce_Gruesome 3 года назад +3

      @@b3z3jm3nny I see what you are saying, but the reasons that the other lawyer gave for her not repeating her name was that it is intimidation, not that she already said it.
      I didn’t realize she said the legal name. But still, the court needs to know who said each statement. If you can give fake names in court then testimony doesn’t mean anything.

    • @Pataganja
      @Pataganja 3 года назад +4

      @@b3z3jm3nny they were just making sure it was her birth name and not a nickname they do that in school too the fuck is your point?

  • @eveev1316
    @eveev1316 3 года назад +70

    What a beautiful soul. Stay strong Liliana Reyes you were destined to help people that need your guidance. Your happiness comes from seeing other people happy 😃

    • @northubriel1798
      @northubriel1798 3 года назад +1

      True

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +2

      @Niggawaffen Xx why is it disgusting?

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +5

      @Niggawaffen Xx you sure sound like you’re a conservative one though.. wait till a transbian steals your girl lol

    • @abdur1300
      @abdur1300 3 года назад +2

      imagine you living in Third World Countries where mostly people's prejudices and social perceptions are 10x stronger than in the US...
      I think you guys living in the US is a lot better and fortunate than those who living in TWC if all you do is seeking liberty and individual freedom

    • @mcleetambe9026
      @mcleetambe9026 3 года назад +1

      Disgusting

  • @MrsChocolock
    @MrsChocolock 3 года назад +147

    Why is this not on the main Vice channel?

    • @magicalstar7711
      @magicalstar7711 3 года назад +84

      Probably because their current subscriber base is extremely homophobic and transphobic.

    • @ItsChurchieYall
      @ItsChurchieYall 3 года назад +17

      @@magicalstar7711 truueeeeeee

    • @RealLukifer
      @RealLukifer 3 года назад +11

      @@magicalstar7711 the like to dislike ratio disagrees, might have to do with them using the main channel to promote this "beauty"

    • @TheGreatest26
      @TheGreatest26 3 года назад +4

      Why should it be?

    • @remotefaith
      @remotefaith 3 года назад +4

      @@RealLukifer read the comments on this post: ruclips.net/user/postUgy-4Z1o3xEMUdLlaxF4AaABCQ

  • @JScott-md6dv
    @JScott-md6dv 3 года назад +62

    May she rest in peace.

    • @JScott-md6dv
      @JScott-md6dv 3 года назад +8

      @Chris Jones She's a woman

    • @JScott-md6dv
      @JScott-md6dv 3 года назад +5

      @Chris Jones I’m not sure the correlation between drugs and accepting that that woman was a woman and that she shouldn’t be referred to as “he”, because she is a woman, nonetheless, you should do some introspection if you find amusement in calling a woman a man.

    • @danthedancer5592
      @danthedancer5592 3 года назад +3

      @Chris Jones nah that’s a woman

    • @foxyrocky7522
      @foxyrocky7522 3 года назад +2

      @Chris Jones you’re closeted.. and?

    • @JScott-md6dv
      @JScott-md6dv 3 года назад +2

      @Chris Jones yeah, I’m not sure about the correlation between calling a woman a woman and being gay.

  • @aleasemontgomery7845
    @aleasemontgomery7845 3 года назад +11

    Thank you for being a parent that loved your daughter through her transition. Being there for your child and ensuring that she knew you loved her.🥰😍❤️

  • @isabellatheseeker
    @isabellatheseeker 3 года назад +22

    This was so so beautiful. Thank you. Representation for trans people is a refreshing and NEEDED thing! This was a great video, super truthful and real and vulnerable and open and more videos should be made about Trans peoples' lives and stories. Thank you. Sending love to all the families and all the beautiful people impacted by our horribly misguided society's failures.

  • @mariendongala452
    @mariendongala452 3 года назад +134

    men act like getting caught with a transgender woman will put them in prison, no one cares what your doing. if you can lay with someone you can respect their existence

    • @modestrocker1
      @modestrocker1 3 года назад +27

      no they are worried they will be considered less of a man for being with somebody who has or had a penis. because anything that isnt heteronormative and patriarchal = bad, gross, etc.

    • @modestrocker1
      @modestrocker1 3 года назад +17

      also people have sex with people they dont respect all the time.

    • @carlstanton2550
      @carlstanton2550 3 года назад +9

      @@modestrocker1 correct,that or they're worried they'll be considered gay by everyone.

    • @johnwallace8532
      @johnwallace8532 3 года назад

      Way to feel morally justified as if generalizing men isnt sexist

    • @BoHista23
      @BoHista23 3 года назад +12

      @@johnwallace8532 if you are not one of these men - nay, murderers - then why are you offended

  • @YounRangr
    @YounRangr 3 года назад +103

    I don't understand the whole transgender thing but that doesn't mean I will go out my way to disrespect them in anyway. Being able to joke, talk, and laugh is what I do understand and that is important when i meet people.

    • @NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth
      @NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth 3 года назад +4

      Right but some people just don't like sitting back and watching people destroy themselves from the inside out.. slowly.. I have family that went thru the army in the 70s and came out afterwards even tho he had a wife almost and loved her dearly now he regrets his entire life it hurts to watch more than just my uncle realizing how spiritually wicked they've been.. creating has turned into death and fun.. I don't even think about sex unless I'm having a baby right then I don't abuse my life anymore 3 woman sums, lust all of that death out the window now I enjoy my life more than I ever felt possible change isn't impossible it's just extremely hard when you don't want to... this is sad and we shouldn't be feeding pride to it.

    • @n00dles79
      @n00dles79 3 года назад +28

      @@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth you in the wrong spot bud

    • @6idangle
      @6idangle 3 года назад +12

      What’s not to understand trans people have existed across cultures for thousands of years.

    • @enesbilgin937
      @enesbilgin937 3 года назад +7

      @@6idangle When? I genuinely dont know btw. Not trying to be toxic

    • @strawberrykun6136
      @strawberrykun6136 3 года назад +12

      @@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth "my uncles life was ruined because his wife didn't liked he was gay which caused him to hate himself so now y'all don't get to love your gay self as well because I CARE about you 😊"
      Please-

  • @lenam.7766
    @lenam.7766 Год назад +3

    Germany here. The world sees you, the world hears your stories and learns your names.

  • @kitterglitter7777
    @kitterglitter7777 3 года назад +86

    It makes me sick that the same man that will share his body and be intimate with these girls / ppl, are can also take a life because they are embarrassed or they are uncomfortable with themselves and what they like!! Why?? Why do ppl care so much about how another person lives their life or care who other ppl love? Let ppl live and love however and whoever they choose. Its so sad that there is so much crime and loss of beautiful lifes

    • @JMU365
      @JMU365 3 года назад +1

      People care because none of us are on an island. As much as some people may wish it to not be the case, we are one nation, one city, one community. We are all connected, whether we like it or not. We must find a common perception and understanding of the world. Trans ideology not only uses semantics and manipulation to create double meanings of words, it also undermines the basis for which everyone understands their body and its role, biology. Radical identity politics only divide us further and prevent the social cohesion necessary for us to transcend the evils of the past.

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +9

      @@JMU365 no, “radical identity politics”, or as I like to call it, the trans liberation movement, has always existed and won’t go away because you’re too much of a pissbaby to accept that their identities are valid. The conservative outrage machine is what keeps this country divided, make no mistake.

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +8

      @@JMU365 literally defending the murderer because “we are all connected” is not the hill you want to die on, mate

    • @abdur1300
      @abdur1300 3 года назад +4

      imagine you living in Third World Countries where mostly people's prejudices and social perceptions are 10x stronger than in the US...
      I think you guys living in the US is a lot better and fortunate than those who living in TWC if all you do is seeking liberty and individual freedom

    • @JMU365
      @JMU365 3 года назад

      @@abdur1300 I completely agree. The Timcast with Yeongmi Park really puts the reality of the world into perspective. Like Jordan Peterson says, worse can always be way worse.

  • @sogonehazel
    @sogonehazel 3 года назад +8

    OMG!! Bless Ms. Poindexter and the good people at Ruth Ellis!
    As a black woman/journalist/Detroit Native, these are the stories that make me keep writing! The next Viceland Producer is ON THE WAY (me) 😃

  • @sheeneasheen
    @sheeneasheen 3 года назад +21

    Um us people from Detroit and highland park know going up six mile on the east side of Woodward are where the pros work especially the trans girls he was over there getting tail and couldn’t live in his truth. The pastor is gay hate to say it whenever you see a man doing the most to put down a trans girl is because he’s low key doing one and wants them if it doesn’t bother your sexuality it shouldn’t be talked about but they do so it shows me you hiding your truth and want to tell your story as a sister of a 🏳️‍🌈 member this hits hard and we all from Detroit knows what you was really doing if you in that area.

    • @animalunaris
      @animalunaris 3 года назад

      Sleeping with transwomen doesn’t make you gay though, there are rent boys available for gay men.

    • @sheeneasheen
      @sheeneasheen 3 года назад +6

      @@animalunaris true but going to 6 mile in Detroit those particular trans women are still fully functioning so basically he’s gay he wants a man in a dress the best of both worlds in so many words I know a few of them and they still dress like boys every once in a while

    • @slimgrande4666
      @slimgrande4666 3 года назад +1

      @@animalunaris huh ? I believe it does , especially when the “parts” aren’t surgically removed.

  • @kevinkim5817
    @kevinkim5817 3 года назад +22

    I gotta say when they dance, they turn the f up. Just some ppl having a good ass time

  • @danielleaurora9828
    @danielleaurora9828 3 года назад +16

    This is excellent work!!! Congratulations to all involved in this project!

  • @labellav1103
    @labellav1103 Год назад +4

    I'm so sad now knowing that their has actually been a ballroom scene in my own backyard! I always connected ballroom to NYC. I lived in Detroit off and on but always "Ran Away" I've did the Stroll on Woodward. In Toledo etc. I want to look up these events and be apart of them now. Its never to late to support and be their for your community. I really hope Kelly and her family get Justice

  • @amberbrown5393
    @amberbrown5393 3 года назад +13

    Everyone deserves to live a full happy life.This is so sad.

  • @Whateva360
    @Whateva360 3 года назад +79

    Ballroom has influenced so much of what we have today and we need to give it more positive attention/ recognition

    • @modestrocker1
      @modestrocker1 3 года назад +6

      @@zarathustra8629 congrats nobody asked

    • @NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth
      @NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth 3 года назад

      Read Michael swift's letter about the violent sexual attacks they planned since the 60s.. this is sick nothing more

    • @canavero4288
      @canavero4288 3 года назад +1

      Yeah I've noticed Kpop groups have started including Vogue elements in their music videos. It's pretty cool how it's going mainstream. Never really thought it would happen

    • @Jjjbbb5678
      @Jjjbbb5678 3 года назад +1

      Nah bro dat shit gay

    • @davidmelgar1197
      @davidmelgar1197 3 года назад

      @@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth Michael Swift the satirist? Are you illiterate or disingenuous?

  • @andarvidavohits4962
    @andarvidavohits4962 3 года назад +79

    I had no reason to expect anything else, but still I'm taken a back by how perceptive and articulate most of these women are. It must be awful to not be allowed to be yourself.

    • @Boudicaisback
      @Boudicaisback 3 года назад +16

      *men

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +19

      @@Boudicaisback no no, *women*.

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +2

      @Deddy Corbuzier Shorts ...why did you post this?

    • @Boudicaisback
      @Boudicaisback 3 года назад +8

      @@PaxMano33 thats degrading to actual women

    • @sleepyjessie
      @sleepyjessie 3 года назад +11

      @@Boudicaisback the majority of women disagree with you

  • @dondi2129
    @dondi2129 3 года назад +45

    Rest well, Kelly.
    Stories like this break my heart

  • @Smoothoperator89
    @Smoothoperator89 2 года назад +1

    Kelly Family specifically are my neighbors Growing Up! Her Grams accepted me inside her home Her aunts and Her cousins and uncles Accepted me with open arms. They are like my family. Kelly lived in chicago for years and during that Time Her family and I built a strong bond! And I will forever remember kelly and Appreciate The Fam for always accepting me for me. ❤️❤️ We will Always keep her name ALIVE

  • @eastafrika728
    @eastafrika728 3 года назад +40

    Killing is a direct result of a severe lack of self confidence

    • @Varaidzo1
      @Varaidzo1 3 года назад

      What a great point

    • @SlantedLand
      @SlantedLand 3 года назад +5

      And a lack in intelligence too.

    • @mustafamawla219
      @mustafamawla219 3 года назад

      This makes absolutely no sense at all! So every murder has been committed because of lack of confidence

    • @commoncriminal923
      @commoncriminal923 3 года назад

      What?

    • @commoncriminal923
      @commoncriminal923 3 года назад

      @@mustafamawla219 lmao you don't know what killing is

  • @v.a.993
    @v.a.993 3 года назад +27

    Beautifully done. May Kelly continue to rest in peace and may she get justice!

  • @nettaP
    @nettaP 3 года назад +10

    Eva, you are a very, very talented journalist and interviewer.

  • @theghettoracle
    @theghettoracle 3 года назад +38

    I believe this to be a beautiful culture and people, as a hetero male I've came a long way on my spirtual journey to understand their passion and heart. They're truly free and expressive in this ballroom scene and in support of one another within their community, I can really respect that and rather you believe it or not that shit is spiritual. I love it.

    • @whyareyougay4090
      @whyareyougay4090 3 года назад +4

      All is full of love 💗

    • @canavero4288
      @canavero4288 3 года назад +6

      Thank you for being peaceful and respectful, i wish you good fortune and a happy life.

  • @notaperson9831
    @notaperson9831 3 года назад +39

    My jaw hit the floor when the judge said “what is her *real* name”.

    • @firstnamelastlame8081
      @firstnamelastlame8081 3 года назад +9

      I think he meant to say, “what is your birth name?”

    • @Djcook87
      @Djcook87 3 года назад +8

      Wasn’t the judge... pay attention

    • @armpitification
      @armpitification 3 года назад +27

      It was the defense attorney. The judge basically told him to cut the shit.

    • @notaperson9831
      @notaperson9831 3 года назад +5

      @@armpitification gotcha. Still gross but at least it wasn’t the judge

    • @vilenationgaming
      @vilenationgaming 3 года назад +9

      Well it’s a legit question. I’m sure his birth certificate doesn’t say what he put out in court.

  • @Margie75
    @Margie75 2 года назад +13

    As a straight woman, this story is heartbreaking for me. It's worse when we are taught to love everybody. I don't understand why it's so hard to do that. That's how I raised. Prayers that her mother can heal and justice will be served. 🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @MizzMelan
    @MizzMelan 3 года назад +13

    This is so sad....It is so shameful to kill someone simply because you can't accept their existence. Rest In Peace Kelly...

  • @bagchaser4009
    @bagchaser4009 2 года назад +2

    This was really powerful!!! These stories need to be explored in depth. Hopefully they can get justice for Kelly

  • @lucretia_macevil
    @lucretia_macevil 3 года назад +44

    Trans women, you're my sisters and I will protect you in the streets

    • @ericaghelfi3240
      @ericaghelfi3240 3 года назад +9

      They don’t need your protection they have testosterone remember?

    • @kricket8801
      @kricket8801 3 года назад +19

      @@ericaghelfi3240 tf is wrong with you?! You have testosterone too dummy every person does.

    • @kricket8801
      @kricket8801 3 года назад +1

      @@militantstrawberry kick em in the balls? You know she said streets right, not protest turned angry mob.

    • @nicedoor4487
      @nicedoor4487 3 года назад

      Crips and the bloods might start shooting

    • @Ladybugsingh
      @Ladybugsingh 2 года назад

      @@kricket8801 men have more testosterone than women. That's why they were born men. Women have more estrogen than men thats what makes us women.

  • @ivy4383
    @ivy4383 2 года назад +3

    Watching this made me sad. My heart goes out to these women and the loved one's they lost. I really wish the world was a better place and everyone could feel safe and loved!!!

  • @Gambit2483
    @Gambit2483 3 года назад +9

    Wow, Eva is absolutely amazing...extremely professional and just as stunning. Interesting story, Vice..nicely done.

    • @evareign6937
      @evareign6937 2 года назад +2

      Thank you!!

    • @Gambit2483
      @Gambit2483 2 года назад +1

      @@evareign6937 wow, you are very welcome beautiful 😊😅

  • @Wellness_with_Whitney
    @Wellness_with_Whitney 3 года назад +3

    I went to high school with Adam Hollier, he was always so kind to everyone and was the epitome of servant leader even at a young age. May God bless the advocates and the people who continue to fight for equal rights of members of the LGBTQ community... we are all God's children.

  • @none-kq7ho
    @none-kq7ho 3 года назад +21

    What a beautiful person and what a lovely community rallying round to help.

  • @CD-cy8xx
    @CD-cy8xx Год назад +2

    My deepest sympathies on the loss of your daughter & friend 🙏🙏🙏

  • @beautifulrosemary6565
    @beautifulrosemary6565 3 года назад +5

    That's good they "feel safe within their community" I don't feel safe around black gay men as a black trans woman.

  • @dandygirl6
    @dandygirl6 3 года назад +2

    these members of our community are everything, they are our soul. And how we treat them reflects on our goodness as a whole. Why is it so hard for us to love one another.

  • @smashedlittlek
    @smashedlittlek Год назад +1

    Why we cannot except the beauty of being different from each other but equal in all this amazing life? It is sad!

  • @aokidoII
    @aokidoII 3 года назад +31

    im so happy we are getting recognition, i look forward to this show a lot. i hope the trial is set soon and kelly gets the justice she deserves

    • @PaxMano33
      @PaxMano33 3 года назад +2

      May all our trans sisters rest in power.

  • @jaycheek254
    @jaycheek254 3 года назад +22

    I understand the advocate's point, but, every "murder" sends a message regardless of the circumstances. Murder is the result of anger, hatred, greed, passion, fear, etc.

  • @jensmith4005
    @jensmith4005 2 года назад +3

    RIP Kelly Stough.

  • @20fiveCent
    @20fiveCent 3 года назад +8

    We, as women, need to band together to protect all of our sisters. It shouldn't matter what journey they took to womanhood. We need to be marching and fighting for them. We need to employ them, so they don't have to do several sex work. Kelly deserved a great life. No mother should lose their daughter due to hate.

  • @cadesaram
    @cadesaram 3 года назад +1

    No woman deserves to bury their child by this means. May God heal Kelly's family and her friends heart.

  • @deneangray4780
    @deneangray4780 3 года назад +4

    Its disgusting and hurtful that trans women never get any justice 🤬😢 I love you my trans sisters and will always continue to fight and stand up for you ladies. I pray one day you ladies get the justice you deserve in life.💜💜💜

  • @chocolatetop5861
    @chocolatetop5861 3 года назад +18

    What a wonderful documentation of a lifestyle often unspoken of in the mainstream.

  • @moonpiemoonpie
    @moonpiemoonpie 3 года назад +2

    Amazing interviews. Thank you to the Women who had to relive harmful moments to help others understand. 🥺🌸

  • @christyjo5126
    @christyjo5126 Год назад +3

    Full disclosure- I am a true woman who is white. That being said I don't care if your Trans, Gay, Lesbian or a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater. The people in this story are HUMAN BEINGS and deserve to be treated as such. You don't have to approve, accept or be a part of their lives but you should treat them with respect and dignity. They are people who have loved ones family and friends and they are not pieces of trash or disposable. They have a right to live so leave them be. The man who did this is evil and needs to pay the price for taking a life. Prayers be with her family and friends. Peace be with you all and please be careful and take care of yourselves.

  • @tomokiowilliams4148
    @tomokiowilliams4148 3 года назад +2

    This is ridiculous!!!! We must support and protect each other!!!!!

  • @individualwoman844
    @individualwoman844 3 года назад +6

    I love the vogue ballroom scene and this doc was really great to watch. I hope all of the wonderful work they do for the community continues for years to come 👏👏👏😘

  • @felixndayisdebologne9725
    @felixndayisdebologne9725 3 года назад +16

    This is unbearable for bigots. I salute you all for your courage. To see you so lively, amid all this pain, makes me happy and hopeful . 💙👏👏👏👏👏

  • @kdbest5165
    @kdbest5165 3 года назад +1

    words cannot describe the joy this has brought me. To say the least this was amazing. May god continue to watch over all of these blessed, talented individuals. ❤ #JUSTICEFORKELLY

  • @sw.7519
    @sw.7519 3 года назад +9

    I still cannot get it. Sex workers are known for their great hearts. And still they encounter so much crime and hate. Even their clients are the most beautiful souls.
    Sounds like sexism.

    • @Gambit2483
      @Gambit2483 3 года назад +3

      I'm pretty sure most of their clients are absolute creeps....never heard of a "beautiful trick"...jus sayin...

    • @sw.7519
      @sw.7519 3 года назад +1

      @@Gambit2483 it was sarcasm.

    • @Gambit2483
      @Gambit2483 3 года назад +2

      @@sw.7519 lol...I knew that...😅😏

    • @richardburton4625
      @richardburton4625 3 года назад +2

      Most beautiful souls?...WTF 🤣😂🤣

  • @MrBigblkbro
    @MrBigblkbro 3 года назад +4

    This an awful tragedy but unfortunately not uncommon. I worry for my sisters and brothers who are targets for simply being who they are. Stay Strong and Stay Family....brothers protect our sisters

  • @louellarobertson8074
    @louellarobertson8074 2 года назад +1

    That man think about what he did and often...He know what he did and he knows he will pay...Sincere Condolences to her Mother, Friends and all those who love her...

  • @princesskittyglitter
    @princesskittyglitter 3 года назад +44

    Rest in Power Kelly 🏳️‍⚧️

  • @Bb-jm2xl
    @Bb-jm2xl 3 года назад +2

    *June ends
    Target: “we no longer support y’all…fuck off”

  • @deborahnieling2315
    @deborahnieling2315 3 года назад +4

    As a bio woman who assisted (I am a Anästhesist) a lot of gender change operations, got because of this a much better understanding! Transgender women are beautiful normal people who just want to live, love and be happy! This violence is just sad! I am from Berlin and to see that hate in the USA is heartbreaking! I really wish people would come together for a better understanding! Rip Beautiful! 🙏❤️💕💜💜💜💖

    • @lokolzboy4292
      @lokolzboy4292 3 года назад

      Can you give me your WhatsApp or Instagram link

  • @nomenestomen8952
    @nomenestomen8952 2 года назад +2

    24:16 A "Pastor" kills a human being and not even dares to hold the hand of this dying human being.....

  • @emilye7950
    @emilye7950 3 года назад +4

    beautiful piece of content. thank you for sharing and educating

  • @rarejourneys
    @rarejourneys 3 года назад +5

    No one deserves to die for who they are...LIP Kenya

  • @dejalations
    @dejalations 2 года назад +2

    Being a woman is scary. Being a mother is scary. Being a trans woman of colour is dangerous, these realities HAVE to change ‼️

  • @jmoneydadrivah908
    @jmoneydadrivah908 3 года назад +11

    I'm a straight man, so maybe I'm not the best qualified to speak on this... but in my opinion it's the fear of ridicule and judgment and "exposure" is why a lot of the men who get involved with trans women end up doing what they do.....at the end of the day they don't want to admit who they are and what they're attracted to for fear of what could be described as social repercussions. They don't have what it takes to handle the embarrassment. They don't have what it takes to admit who they are as a person...... it's like my mother always told me, the best way to get accepted by everyone is to first accept yourself.

    • @lafireteamplx3400
      @lafireteamplx3400 3 года назад

      Yeah or they simply don't appreciate the idea of trans people..? Just because one does not agree with it does not mean they are attracted to it idiot

    • @jmoneydadrivah908
      @jmoneydadrivah908 3 года назад +2

      @@lafireteamplx3400 first of all your comment makes no sense in reply to mine and secondly why do I have to be an idiot you must be attracted to trans people

    • @QueerCapricorn6572
      @QueerCapricorn6572 2 года назад

      So they murder and become less than subanimals.

  • @josephinec7728
    @josephinec7728 Год назад +1

    What the hell is wrong with our justice system that it takes years to take this monster off the streets.

  • @lenappygarcon6692
    @lenappygarcon6692 3 года назад +31

    This was beautiful. i cried like a baby.

  • @jenniferknipe3740
    @jenniferknipe3740 Год назад +1

    Praying for families and friends

  • @maddycanfly7217
    @maddycanfly7217 3 года назад +3

    I have such mad respect for you girls . The connections you have with your chosen families is beautiful to see .
    My heart goes out to you all 🙏🏻. This man should not get to wake up every day in his home . His time will come one way or another 👿 . But I guess he don’t know that because he’s a fake pastor .Shame on you Detroit justice department for letting this easily solved case drag on this long !
    . Ps great job by the reporter as well❤️

  • @paulpittsburgh
    @paulpittsburgh 2 года назад +1

    This was EXCELLENT thank you so much to al the people involved
    in making this documentary. BRAVA AND BRAVO!

  • @Alchemist1330
    @Alchemist1330 3 года назад +20

    There's no hate like "Christian love"

  • @rachelosiria7865
    @rachelosiria7865 3 месяца назад

    UPDATE. Albert Weathers was sentenced to 8 years. 😢 I'm from Detroit, this is not a normal sentence for murder. The trial taking so long was normal, that happens all the time and COVID didn't help. The sentence however, it is extremely light. 😢

  • @darrellsadler2848
    @darrellsadler2848 3 года назад +3

    If there's so much "togetherness" going on, then why is there so much competitiveness and vindictiveness and most of all... deception etc., etc., etc., going on within the "community?" please explain.

  • @Zyryne1
    @Zyryne1 2 года назад +1

    This is outstanding and informative. Thank you. 😁🥰

  • @sad_vegan507
    @sad_vegan507 Год назад +1

    God bless Kelly’s friend for testifying against that devil. We all know the truth that man was outed and he was emasculated and he murdered that woman. That must’ve took so much strength omg 😢

  • @melaniephillips45
    @melaniephillips45 2 года назад

    Learning, I'm getting use to having a son that at 25 decided he was gay. First, a christian mother married to a father that had his struggles with drugs, 4 boys and one girl. Always reassuring my children, I love them uncondtionally. So, thank you for this story from my home town. It helped me see some beautiful people, not beautiful trans, homosexual, etc., but beautiful families. Thank you.

  • @kimberleywatson7330
    @kimberleywatson7330 2 года назад +1

    I would love to do this. Open up my home to my kids who have no hope. This makes me so sad how a parent could turn on their own because of who they choose to be or choose to have sex with...I can't...this brought me to tears...I'm not even sure I can finish this. Thank God for the mothers!

  • @shawnalynn5198
    @shawnalynn5198 10 месяцев назад

    Kelly's family is so wonderful, made me cry to see how much they loved her ❤

  • @oletheasims-browne3295
    @oletheasims-browne3295 3 года назад +2

    This Documentary had me in tears It changed my whole perception And views How I perceive this group of people It's not one that I truly accept but who am I but who am I to judge that's God we are all children of God if we're straight or gay after seeing this documentary changed my thinking...love it love it love it ..Bravo good job.

  • @veggiemanv
    @veggiemanv 3 года назад +4

    I love the Ruth Ellis Center!

  • @merissahyltonart
    @merissahyltonart 3 года назад +3

    How is that evil Pastor out on bond??? He killed her because of his own hatred & embarrassment of himself & they're dragging it out like this??

    • @chaseo4557
      @chaseo4557 3 года назад

      Are you dumb… what do you mean how? They let out killers on bonds of $1,000 everyday 😂

    • @merissahyltonart
      @merissahyltonart 3 года назад +1

      @@chaseo4557 I'm not dumb (thanks for the concern) I'm not from the U.S. so I wasn't aware the system there is shoddier than it is here.

  • @ariesk1001
    @ariesk1001 3 года назад +1

    I really hope and pray justice is served for Miss Kelly Stowe. May she Rest In Peace🙏🏽

  • @motherhoney3863
    @motherhoney3863 3 года назад +3

    I just find it so sad and heart breaking that these ppl get judged just for being who they are its insane I have a trans friend and before the transition folk picked on her then even after the transition folk still won't let my friend be its sad AF cuz I love her unconditionally❤ I don't think they should have to go through that