How a Murder Mobilized Detroit's Ballroom Community | Transnational
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- In “Love Us in the Light,” the first episode of Transnational, VICE News correspondent Eva Reign travels to Detroit to tell the story of Kelly Stough, a Black trans woman who was killed by a Detroit pastor in 2018 in what he claims was self defense. But Stough’s community paints a more complicated picture. Almost three years later, ahead of the trial of Stough’s killer, Reign immerses herself in Detroit’s ballroom community to learn how their effort to honor Stough’s memory has also become a fight to keep each other safe.
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this is one of the best vice features because of the interviewer. I'm so glad an actual trans woman of color was the one interviewing the community; it's clear how connected she is with the people she's speaking to, and it shows so much more care and consideration. really sad to see some of the comments and the current ratio, because this is an amazing piece.
Completely agree
Would it have been different with a southern man that cared?
@@potatosconejohnwatp970 Yes, becuase identity politics and optics are all that matters
@@potatosconejohnwatp970 yes, because there is a degree of personal relation that is harder to form when someone cannot relate to the experience
Absolutely.
It's unreal that he's out and about on bail with no trial date set... it's SHAMEFUL! He's a danger to society. Period.
you can’t be detained indefinitely before you are convicted with a crime. it’s people like you who believe in incarceration which hurts us black folk. you want this murderer to be detained without trial but when you advocate for that you also advocate for detention of those who commit petty crimes. pretrial detention ruins lives and traps us in criminality. go read about the prison industrial compkex before you get us hurt with your colorblind imagination.
@@chuchu9649 yet people that got caught with weed are sitting in jail WAITING FOR TRIAL 🙄 He’s WORSE than most that are waiting on their time in court smh It’s because of who he killed that he’s able to be out on bail
@@chuchu9649 literally NONE of that matters in this situation. He killed a woman because she was transgender PERIOD his ass needs to be under the jail.
@@chuchu9649 dont nobody gaf abt the boohoo black victimization bullshit.
@Chris Jones woman, you not gonna win anything by doing that babe
Heart breaking. Pose is what opened me up to learning more about this community. As a 34 yo black woman I knew nothing. I am still learning. But one thing for certain, we are all human. This really hurts.
@FIVOTHREEFOUR umm excuse you?
@FIVOTHREEFOUR stop being a internet bully. You must be miserable. I gave you a little attention. Can’t stay long because miserable people love company. 😂. Have fun arguing with yourself ❤️
Right but some people just don't like sitting back and watching people destroy themselves from the inside out.. slowly.. I have family that went thru the army in the 70s and came out afterwards even tho he had a wife almost and loved her dearly now he regrets his entire life it hurts to watch more than just my uncle realizing how spiritually wicked they've been.. creating has turned into death and fun.. I don't even think about sex unless I'm having a baby right then I don't abuse my life anymore 3 woman sums, lust all of that death out the window now I enjoy my life more than I ever felt possible change isn't impossible it's just extremely hard when you don't want to... this is sad and we shouldn't be feeding pride to it.
@FIVOTHREEFOUR what means WS ?
Pose is amazing, i watched season 3. It got me into ballroom culture and Vogue.
"What's your real name" - that actually broke my heart. As a transwomen we try our best to dissasociate from our assigned genders at birth. The look on Kyra's face shows how EXHAUSTED she is from people testing her identity💔💔💔.
They are literally in a courtroom he probably wanted the real name on the record for legal reasons.
@@GDL364 she said her legal name once as they said… he was literally just testing her trying to antagonize her… she said it before and then said what she goes by. She don’t need to say it twice
Assigned? That makes no sense...
@@elizabethjohnson53 yes… it does… were you not assigned as male/female/boy/girl at birth? At this point y’all hide from obvious facts and knowledge, if we said the sky is blue y’all would argue with that.. smh
@@foxyrocky7522 You live in a fantasy world plain and simple! Sex and gender are one in the same and because those that are easily manipulated into believing in this orchestrated facade the end game is game over!
I am a female a woman and if my son came to me with anything I would never turn him away but knowing what I know I would not call him a female and equip him with the full Blueprint that is not public knowledge!
You don't know what you think you know! This isn't going to end nicely because you are vocal and visual puppets for a completely different agenda and when everyone can "identify" as whatever then under the umbrella of whatever then it's whatever it will be and nobody cares, not anyone white, Asian or that can pass visually! As you can clearly see that this way isn't working yet you continue with the narrative and terms The System that cares for no one gave you!
You can't out someone that says they're a man that wishes he was female and doesn't call himself and or place himself in the female lane! What can someone really say to blunt open honesty? Not much, not much! You bully females in every way including murder then have the audacity to demand "female" prison terms, surgeries and special treatment because you're men! You're murderers are other men that bully and kill you isn't that ironic?
The System that pretends to be on your side isn't it outs you then encourages your demise especially Black males and you're still begging The System for cares, mind-blowing! Again, if you weren't out there hating actual Black women while trying to be white women you might be able to see the lemons before purchase! Ask yourself what is identifying and alls these every second made-up terms really mean and end! This is how civilizations are destroyed! You're more worried about the name game than the actual person that looks like Lebron James in a wig and dress! Black males are encouraged to follow whites and Asians who are naturally more feminine and still see Blacks as lesser! If you think for one second I'm wrong then show me the numbers of these murders decreasing!
I love love loveeeee the Aunty that said “whatever you do Kelly, I just want you to be amazing at it” ❤️❤️❤️
Aunty of life award ❤️🥇
Quite an encouraging quote. I'll make this my daily reminder.
@@denizmetint.462 for sure
I agree! I also like how they say their world is off kilter without her❤️ I can feel that from them.
The moment, I heard his excuse, I knew he was a customer.
His behaviour had little to do with being a pastor, I bet she refused him something and he proceeded to kill her.
Sex work is VERY DANGEROUS. I agree with the woman who passed away, sex workers need to be protected.
@Rico Happyrock Not everyone has that luxury. If they had the option, they wouldn't be sex workers.
@Rico Happyrock Trust me, sex work isn't a top occupational choice for anyone! It usually is out of complete necessity. To believe otherwise is a highly naive and ignorant perspective of the difficulties that exist in this world. Be grateful you've never been in a position where turning to such work was do or die.
@Rico Happyrock something I read in Kundalini yoga as a teenager. Playing with the serpent can be dangerous etc..
Nah he prob thought people were about to find out he been with a trans that’s what happened in 99% of these cases
@Rico Happyrock thank you
Kelly’s families really really loved her. What a beautiful thing to see.
The fact her momma and aunties used her preferred pronouns is such validation to that young woman’s existence. We deserved to be validated.
Great doc
Him
The young lady conducting the interview did a wonderful job 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@jtcooper1033 woman*
@@jtcooper1033 You misgenderd her. Shame on you.
@@Amourr_sasMan
@@nataliehilton9334 Him
That’s an biological male.
What is more sad, is that I'm from Detroit, I live here, lived here in 2018......never heard about this till today.
same here. sending this to everyone i know
@@lillypop2338 same here
Exactly, I never heard it on the news🤨
Same
It was on the news I remember it but not a major story.
Kelly deserves justice, the community deserves justice. May this “pastor” rot in hell and pay for his sin, absolutely disgusting human being. I hope this video brings forth justice or helps move this case along, because with this video our eyes are on Detroit.
Jt cooper that's not what it was . He was known to the trans women (sex workers) and let me tell u this, it still doesn't give him any right to kill someone.
He claims she was robbing him and it was self defense.
He @@darkroses3479
Trade (undercover bisexual men) will quickly say "i didn't know it was a man . He tricked me ." But... In all actuality... They did know ! He was her client, they were in a relationship, or had a sexual friendship . Many men won't tell the truth because they don't want their family, friends, & strangers to know that they find transgender women sexually attractive, like, and/or love them . They're so worried about what people will think & say... Til the point where hurting them or murdering them will cross their minds . R.I.P to them all . ❤
He could have just asked the person to leave the car. They did not have to kill the person. Killing someone let’s everyone know you are out here doing to much. ☹️
This is a shame. I had a gay cousin that was killed back in 2004 because supposedly the person that picked him up didn't know he was a male. Assuming at some point he figured it out, he then shot him in the chest, pushed him out the car, came back around the block and shot him a few more times. Smh
@@tangemclemore177 i'm so sorry that happened to her . R.I.P. to her .
And the crazy part is because they don’t want to stand in the truth so kill someone now I am fish and my big brother is in the scene and I think him everyday for showing me a beautiful community I am sick of these evil man hurting are trans women I am tired of it .it must stop god love all
They know that they are biological males
The fact that they let that man out on bond is ridiculous.
I know, right?! Who cares about presumption of innocence until proven otherwise? I mean, it’s not like there’s ever been a wrongfully accused person before. **just ask China**
@@ArtOfficialKreations it’s an open-shut murder case my guy, they don’t normally let people out on bond for those.
@@PaxMano33 They let people out on bond all the time who have strong evidence against them. Our country as a whole is pushing more and more to let people out in bond more often.
It's a severe miscarriage of justice
Why? They always do in these cities… let out killers everyday
It’s unfathomable that there are people in the comments who see justification for murder here. 😡
The lack of compassion for others is astounding… Just be glad you didn’t see the comments on the announcement for this video 😞
Right..😞😞
@@tomasgallardo5272 truly astounding.
Absolutely disgusting....
Fr. Disgusting 💯
I'm praying for your community....as a straight woman, please believe we know that trans women ain't tricking nobody, we know these men purposely seek out trans women, why they treat you like their "dirty little secret" is beyond me, because it's never the secret they think it is....lots of women overlook it and play dumb because they know there's nothing they can do to stop it or they need dude around for financial reasons...it pisses me off that these men will take a life in fear of being outted, when they are the ones that sought out the trans woman that was minding her business and living her life....God Bless You All ❤️.....got an ally in me 4ever....stay safe ladies❤️
Well said I couldn’t agree more.
This is a sin and destroying their souls and bodies…an ally lol stupid don’t be part of this satanic shit
@@caseydub7546 concern yourself with YOUR OWN SALVATION, and let everyone else do the same, last I checked there is only one ultimate Judge and it ain’t you
Thank you mamas i love everything you said 🫶🏼 we love and appreciate u too. Thanks for understanding and being willing to learn and be open minded
You just preached a whole word, well said girl.
I don't think you have to agree with peoples life choices, but treating someone with disrespect or the absolutely unthinkable taking someone's life for that is obscene. You should always treat everyone with respect whether you agree with their stance or not because they are still people and people deserve that kind of respect.
This guy is a monster wether the killing was because of her being Trans or just because. No one deserves to play god.
Not everyone
Being trans isn’t a choice tho
@@owenbell3804 how isn't it. Everything that involves action is a choice.
@@owenbell3804 sorry didn't mean it to be worded like that. My intent wasn't to belittle Trans people I hope you can still understand the overall sentiment and tone of the comment
Being trans is not a choice literally cultures Centuries and even millennia ago understood this from the Jewish faith to Native Americans here in North America.
What’s sad is that this pastor from Hell actually believes that people will believe this weak ass lie that she tried to rob him!! Lock him up & throw away the key…
I don’t feel like explaining the situation to you but the guy did try to rob him
you need to re examine the way you see the world. go read about prison abolition before you go around talking about locking up black people. sincerely, a BLACK TRANS MAN.
What do you have to do to become a pastor in Detroit? Just asking.
@@saggyballz1912 were you in the car or just buying his bullshit excuse?
Him “looking for gas” just sounds like a complete lie. Why would you be that far away from home, on that side of town, looking for a gas station on your way to work?!?
@@lafireteamplx3400 What do u mean? U smoking weed or what? what ppl?
@@lafireteamplx3400 thats her name… my name is George Floyd…
@@lafireteamplx3400 you must be white lol
@@abdur1300 trust me that’s not weed, that a little somethin somethin extra they’re on 👀 lol
@@lafireteamplx3400 liberal white person complaining about a girl's real name because no real problems or better things to do?
My cousin is apart of this community in Detroit, she was also in the photo that was taken in this interview
To think about someone harming or doing something so horrendous to my cousin because they aren’t acceptable to theirselves really upsets me.
I rarely ever cry, but I cried when I heard Kelly's family members talking about their memories of her. It's heartbreaking to see and hear the injustices carried out by the very people we expect to uphold the highest moral standards.
blows my mind the amount of love flowing through this community. To go through the darkest of days yet push through to the other side and bless us with wisdom and courage. thank you.
Regardless to my personal opinion on the option of changing genders, if someone decides to do that, it is their personal choice, and I respect them as a PERSON. I have made choices others wouldn't agree with too, but that is free will. As long as they are not hurting others, they deserve to live and be respected as human beings. Peace.
PERIODTTT
AMEN
The way her friend was talked to in court. “What’s your real name?” Sir she said what she said. In order to testify you have to have a “real name”. 🤦🏽♀️
yeah I'm so mad, who was that lawyer; I just wanna talk...
You do need a real name because you may end up charged with perjury. If you give a fake or nickname you can easily skip court if your testimony is found to be a lie.
@@Bruce_Gruesome She had already given her birth name... it was in the record. No reason for the defendant's lawyer to make her repeat it, calling it her "real name"; and as the judge pointed she swore under oath that Kyra was her name.
@@b3z3jm3nny I see what you are saying, but the reasons that the other lawyer gave for her not repeating her name was that it is intimidation, not that she already said it.
I didn’t realize she said the legal name. But still, the court needs to know who said each statement. If you can give fake names in court then testimony doesn’t mean anything.
@@b3z3jm3nny they were just making sure it was her birth name and not a nickname they do that in school too the fuck is your point?
As a trans woman myself from New Orleans, this is so heartbreaking and disturbing to know that we're still getting killed for be our tru authentic selfs.....#justice4kelly.....praying 4 her family, friends, and the lives that she touched...#stopkillingus💗💙🤍🏳️🌈
YOU ARE A WHOLE DUDE..NOT A WOMEN
Stay safe hun❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@keashaqueen715 how does it feel being wrong? Trans women are women
@@megg10 WHOLE MEN ...BORN A MAN IS A MAN..PERIOD
Louisiana in the building what's your ig
This breaks and invigorates my heart all at once. These are some beautiful, resilient and powerful people.
How are they powerful? They’re just dudes in dresses its not like they cured cancer
@@Jjjbbb5678well said.
Do you know what powerful means?
Whats freedom to you?
Openly Trans person living freely living in America -“I don’t know it because we live in Ameirca”
Of course it's heartbreaking. Any loss of life is heartbreaking and it makes it even moreso when you find out that they were killed because of someone's hate and intolerance. However, trans is not anymore powerful than other people group. Yes, trans has made way for a lot of important things and have done a lot for our communities but really not more than other people who fight for their community. I and all of my trans friends agree on this. Stopping hate and violence is important across the board and every single person deserves to feel safe where they are and to be able to be who they are. I may have an affinity for one people group over another but I've got to think of everyone and what everyone brings to the table. The malcontents can be dealt with as we go but we need to equalize each other and stand arm in arm to push against the bigoted and the hateful and the violent.
I feel he did not want to be exposed because he was saying he was a pastor
What a beautiful soul. Stay strong Liliana Reyes you were destined to help people that need your guidance. Your happiness comes from seeing other people happy 😃
True
@Niggawaffen Xx why is it disgusting?
@Niggawaffen Xx you sure sound like you’re a conservative one though.. wait till a transbian steals your girl lol
imagine you living in Third World Countries where mostly people's prejudices and social perceptions are 10x stronger than in the US...
I think you guys living in the US is a lot better and fortunate than those who living in TWC if all you do is seeking liberty and individual freedom
Disgusting
Why is this not on the main Vice channel?
Probably because their current subscriber base is extremely homophobic and transphobic.
@@magicalstar7711 truueeeeeee
@@magicalstar7711 the like to dislike ratio disagrees, might have to do with them using the main channel to promote this "beauty"
Why should it be?
@@RealLukifer read the comments on this post: ruclips.net/user/postUgy-4Z1o3xEMUdLlaxF4AaABCQ
To all those who feel the need to post negative comments . You need to LOOK at YOURSELF and ask why this frightens and disgusts you so much ?
💜❤
This doesn't frighten me at all, but I feel as if it is LITERALLY common sense not to hook up with strangers or to provide sex work without acknowledging or preparing for the fact that you're endangering your life by doing so. The best friend changed life around quickly and got a job and a car after the murder, so I'm at a loss as how it is so "necessary" for trans to do sex work? Regardless, I don't see this as a hate crime because it's not trans exclusive. Anyone who regularly hooks up with strangers or performs sex work could become a victim. This has happened to straight men and women, gay men and women as well as transgendered people. You have to be willing to protect yourself by not putting yourself at risk if you don't want to be murdered. Otherwise, you're an easy target.
@@ChildOfYAHUUH What about police officers or soldiers... Do they deserve to be killed because they make a living from a job where their life could be in danger? If everyone thought like that then we would have no protect us. And a lot of trans people are kicked out by their family and they have to resort to doing sex work or else they will STARVE. They have no financial support and have to have their basic needs met so what should we expect to happen?
@@thegreatgoddess9149 You're reaching. Providing a service to protect and serve is in no way, shape or form similar to sex work. Besides that, police officers and soldiers are provided training and are armed in preparation to face an enemy. Sex workers voluntarily put their lives at risk. There are countless resources for them to take advantage of; those resources which cater specifically to LGBTQ besides the ones which assist the general public. There are employment agencies which work with employers and ensure that the people whom they send out for employment aren't discriminated against. Where there's a will, there's a way if a person is willing to put in the effort. There are too many opportunities for the people of the LGBTQ community for them to be using the same excuses they used 30 years ago when that type of discrimination was prominent and tolerated. These days, discrimination is taken very seriously and have detrimental consequences, so there's really no excuse for a person to be doing sex work except that it is what they choose to do for fast and easy hook ups and money. And if you're not willing to protect yourself, then you shouldn't be looking for anyone else to do what you're not willing to do for yourself. They need to stop putting themselves in situations where they can be murdered because it's a reality for any and everyone.
🤡
May she rest in peace.
@Chris Jones She's a woman
@Chris Jones I’m not sure the correlation between drugs and accepting that that woman was a woman and that she shouldn’t be referred to as “he”, because she is a woman, nonetheless, you should do some introspection if you find amusement in calling a woman a man.
@Chris Jones nah that’s a woman
@Chris Jones you’re closeted.. and?
@Chris Jones yeah, I’m not sure about the correlation between calling a woman a woman and being gay.
Watching Kelly's family talking about her even wearing the rainbow face mask, beautiful just beautiful 😢
What is sad about this is most pastor's are on the down low this is just a very sad story justice for Kelly 🙏🏽
How do you know its most? Its best to comment some.
Most pastors are gay , they like men
I don't understand the whole transgender thing but that doesn't mean I will go out my way to disrespect them in anyway. Being able to joke, talk, and laugh is what I do understand and that is important when i meet people.
Right but some people just don't like sitting back and watching people destroy themselves from the inside out.. slowly.. I have family that went thru the army in the 70s and came out afterwards even tho he had a wife almost and loved her dearly now he regrets his entire life it hurts to watch more than just my uncle realizing how spiritually wicked they've been.. creating has turned into death and fun.. I don't even think about sex unless I'm having a baby right then I don't abuse my life anymore 3 woman sums, lust all of that death out the window now I enjoy my life more than I ever felt possible change isn't impossible it's just extremely hard when you don't want to... this is sad and we shouldn't be feeding pride to it.
@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth you in the wrong spot bud
What’s not to understand trans people have existed across cultures for thousands of years.
@@6idangle When? I genuinely dont know btw. Not trying to be toxic
@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth "my uncles life was ruined because his wife didn't liked he was gay which caused him to hate himself so now y'all don't get to love your gay self as well because I CARE about you 😊"
Please-
Mama Bear ♥️ When someone can say your presence in their life has saved their life when they were ready to give up....Means Everything 🙏🏼♥️ ♥️🌈🌹
Thank you for being a parent that loved your daughter through her transition. Being there for your child and ensuring that she knew you loved her.🥰😍❤️
This was beautiful. Rest In Heaven Kelly!
It makes me sick that the same man that will share his body and be intimate with these girls / ppl, are can also take a life because they are embarrassed or they are uncomfortable with themselves and what they like!! Why?? Why do ppl care so much about how another person lives their life or care who other ppl love? Let ppl live and love however and whoever they choose. Its so sad that there is so much crime and loss of beautiful lifes
People care because none of us are on an island. As much as some people may wish it to not be the case, we are one nation, one city, one community. We are all connected, whether we like it or not. We must find a common perception and understanding of the world. Trans ideology not only uses semantics and manipulation to create double meanings of words, it also undermines the basis for which everyone understands their body and its role, biology. Radical identity politics only divide us further and prevent the social cohesion necessary for us to transcend the evils of the past.
@@JMU365 no, “radical identity politics”, or as I like to call it, the trans liberation movement, has always existed and won’t go away because you’re too much of a pissbaby to accept that their identities are valid. The conservative outrage machine is what keeps this country divided, make no mistake.
@@JMU365 literally defending the murderer because “we are all connected” is not the hill you want to die on, mate
imagine you living in Third World Countries where mostly people's prejudices and social perceptions are 10x stronger than in the US...
I think you guys living in the US is a lot better and fortunate than those who living in TWC if all you do is seeking liberty and individual freedom
@@abdur1300 I completely agree. The Timcast with Yeongmi Park really puts the reality of the world into perspective. Like Jordan Peterson says, worse can always be way worse.
This was so so beautiful. Thank you. Representation for trans people is a refreshing and NEEDED thing! This was a great video, super truthful and real and vulnerable and open and more videos should be made about Trans peoples' lives and stories. Thank you. Sending love to all the families and all the beautiful people impacted by our horribly misguided society's failures.
men act like getting caught with a transgender woman will put them in prison, no one cares what your doing. if you can lay with someone you can respect their existence
no they are worried they will be considered less of a man for being with somebody who has or had a penis. because anything that isnt heteronormative and patriarchal = bad, gross, etc.
also people have sex with people they dont respect all the time.
@@modestrocker1 correct,that or they're worried they'll be considered gay by everyone.
Way to feel morally justified as if generalizing men isnt sexist
@@johnwallace8532 if you are not one of these men - nay, murderers - then why are you offended
This is just PHENOMENAL! wow. This film is breath-taking in all regards-- the cinematography, the script/arc of storytelling, the inclusion of legal perspectives, the on-point inclusion of research and statistics, the focus on humanity and family, and most of all, restorative justice..... My god, THIS is a film. This is amazing. This deserves any and all relevant awards. This is marked as one of my all time favorites, and not *just* for the subject matter, but for every single piece of this and how it was put together. Thank you! Just wow
I'm so sad now knowing that their has actually been a ballroom scene in my own backyard! I always connected ballroom to NYC. I lived in Detroit off and on but always "Ran Away" I've did the Stroll on Woodward. In Toledo etc. I want to look up these events and be apart of them now. Its never to late to support and be their for your community. I really hope Kelly and her family get Justice
Rest well, Kelly.
Stories like this break my heart
Wow! These ladies are REALLY MOTHER'S OUT HERE!! Incredible!! I applaud them..this is what being a mother Is all about!! What a learning experience for me
I gotta say when they dance, they turn the f up. Just some ppl having a good ass time
Y'all made me cry just seeing how strong you are; I live in El Salvador and I have had seen three of my trans friends migrate to other countries out of fear of being murdered. Fortunately a trans woman has founded a Shelter for Queer people here in my country and many of us are becoming a support network for younger Queers so they don't go through what we went through when we came out.
This documentary has inspired me and It sure will inspire many others.
OMG!! Bless Ms. Poindexter and the good people at Ruth Ellis!
As a black woman/journalist/Detroit Native, these are the stories that make me keep writing! The next Viceland Producer is ON THE WAY (me) 😃
You got this sis!
I had no reason to expect anything else, but still I'm taken a back by how perceptive and articulate most of these women are. It must be awful to not be allowed to be yourself.
*men
@@Boudicaisback no no, *women*.
@Deddy Corbuzier Shorts ...why did you post this?
@@PaxMano33 thats degrading to actual women
@@Boudicaisback the majority of women disagree with you
Why can't people just love 💘 what they do and not be judged for it.
Bhahahahahahhaa
Fear of the unknown, dislike of difference, annoyed by it the self expression affecting others etcetera.
Not saying I agree with these reasons but they some of why they're like that
People hate themselves and turn to hating others more, its terrible and evil
Because human beings (for the most part) are incredibly simple minded, petty emotional creatures...not all, but enough that your question even needs to be asked...
We, as women, need to band together to protect all of our sisters. It shouldn't matter what journey they took to womanhood. We need to be marching and fighting for them. We need to employ them, so they don't have to do several sex work. Kelly deserved a great life. No mother should lose their daughter due to hate.
This this this!
No women didn’t fight for MEN to invade women space!!
Everyone deserves to live a full happy life.This is so sad.
My jaw hit the floor when the judge said “what is her *real* name”.
I think he meant to say, “what is your birth name?”
Wasn’t the judge... pay attention
It was the defense attorney. The judge basically told him to cut the shit.
@@armpitification gotcha. Still gross but at least it wasn’t the judge
Well it’s a legit question. I’m sure his birth certificate doesn’t say what he put out in court.
This is excellent work!!! Congratulations to all involved in this project!
Thank you for covering such an insightful story. The humanity and resilience of these incredible people just melts my heart.
Um us people from Detroit and highland park know going up six mile on the east side of Woodward are where the pros work especially the trans girls he was over there getting tail and couldn’t live in his truth. The pastor is gay hate to say it whenever you see a man doing the most to put down a trans girl is because he’s low key doing one and wants them if it doesn’t bother your sexuality it shouldn’t be talked about but they do so it shows me you hiding your truth and want to tell your story as a sister of a 🏳️🌈 member this hits hard and we all from Detroit knows what you was really doing if you in that area.
Sleeping with transwomen doesn’t make you gay though, there are rent boys available for gay men.
@@animalunaris true but going to 6 mile in Detroit those particular trans women are still fully functioning so basically he’s gay he wants a man in a dress the best of both worlds in so many words I know a few of them and they still dress like boys every once in a while
@@animalunaris huh ? I believe it does , especially when the “parts” aren’t surgically removed.
Killing is a direct result of a severe lack of self confidence
What a great point
And a lack in intelligence too.
This makes absolutely no sense at all! So every murder has been committed because of lack of confidence
What?
@@mustafamawla219 lmao you don't know what killing is
How uplifting and heartbreaking at the same time. Chosen families, safety, community - what a beautiful documentary in honor of Kelly's love and spirit.
❤💜💙💚
I believe this to be a beautiful culture and people, as a hetero male I've came a long way on my spirtual journey to understand their passion and heart. They're truly free and expressive in this ballroom scene and in support of one another within their community, I can really respect that and rather you believe it or not that shit is spiritual. I love it.
All is full of love 💗
Thank you for being peaceful and respectful, i wish you good fortune and a happy life.
Eva, you are a very, very talented journalist and interviewer.
Thank you!
Beautifully done. May Kelly continue to rest in peace and may she get justice!
Ballroom has influenced so much of what we have today and we need to give it more positive attention/ recognition
@@zarathustra8629 congrats nobody asked
Read Michael swift's letter about the violent sexual attacks they planned since the 60s.. this is sick nothing more
Yeah I've noticed Kpop groups have started including Vogue elements in their music videos. It's pretty cool how it's going mainstream. Never really thought it would happen
Nah bro dat shit gay
@@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth Michael Swift the satirist? Are you illiterate or disingenuous?
Very heartbreaking, it must be traumatizing for them.
thank you for helping to facilitate a really important conversation!
What a beautiful person and what a lovely community rallying round to help.
When the mother talked I lost it.. she LOVES HER CHILD WITH A MOTHERS LOVE... that is a beautiful thing 😍 ❤️ 😢
This was really powerful!!! These stories need to be explored in depth. Hopefully they can get justice for Kelly
beautiful piece of content. thank you for sharing and educating
I love the vogue ballroom scene and this doc was really great to watch. I hope all of the wonderful work they do for the community continues for years to come 👏👏👏😘
As a straight woman, this story is heartbreaking for me. It's worse when we are taught to love everybody. I don't understand why it's so hard to do that. That's how I raised. Prayers that her mother can heal and justice will be served. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
That was beautiful. Well done Vice.
I'm just...sad. This hurts my heart because I have a trans family member. I worry for them daily, because everyone's not going to treat them like our family does. My soul feels the pain of this family, because it could be our family at any point in the future.
You don't have to agree with someone's lifestyle or agree with it to see their humanity and respect that at the very least. There's no need to kill someone else because of your own insecurities.
Trans women, you're my sisters and I will protect you in the streets
They don’t need your protection they have testosterone remember?
@@ericaghelfi3240 tf is wrong with you?! You have testosterone too dummy every person does.
@@militantstrawberry kick em in the balls? You know she said streets right, not protest turned angry mob.
Crips and the bloods might start shooting
@@kricket8801 men have more testosterone than women. That's why they were born men. Women have more estrogen than men thats what makes us women.
Kelly Family specifically are my neighbors Growing Up! Her Grams accepted me inside her home Her aunts and Her cousins and uncles Accepted me with open arms. They are like my family. Kelly lived in chicago for years and during that Time Her family and I built a strong bond! And I will forever remember kelly and Appreciate The Fam for always accepting me for me. ❤️❤️ We will Always keep her name ALIVE
im so happy we are getting recognition, i look forward to this show a lot. i hope the trial is set soon and kelly gets the justice she deserves
May all our trans sisters rest in power.
Watching this made me sad. My heart goes out to these women and the loved one's they lost. I really wish the world was a better place and everyone could feel safe and loved!!!
What a wonderful documentation of a lifestyle often unspoken of in the mainstream.
Wow, Eva is absolutely amazing...extremely professional and just as stunning. Interesting story, Vice..nicely done.
Thank you!!
@@evareign6937 wow, you are very welcome beautiful 😊😅
Beautiful interview...full of Love and Beautiful souls💛R.I.P Kelly🙏🏾
This world needs more LOVE! ❤️❤️❤️
This is so sad....It is so shameful to kill someone simply because you can't accept their existence. Rest In Peace Kelly...
Germany here. The world sees you, the world hears your stories and learns your names.
29? I'm a jaded cynic for sure. I'm actually impressed at how low this number actually is. I truly thought it would have been higher. We live in a nation that sheds blood like it was a full time job.
It’s probably higher ….many I’m sure go unreported
One is one to many.
@@ryanamari2233 I was thinking that as well. Though I would have to say that without motive i.e. murdered because of their trans status it changes the narrative of the story. Random violence, is, just that. Random.
@@erikconradt4953 I agree with you, but I suspect there are also a lot of cases where relatives who did not respect their offsprings transition reports them as their gender assigned at birth, so they are not reported as transpersons.....I know this is a problem that comes up at funerals sometimes for example ...
@@ryanamari2233 lol assume it’s worse than it actually is to justify your agenda
12:09 that's my baby cousin, wow. I'm so fucking proud of her!!!!
He's disgusting
@@mcleetambe9026 and you're an ignorant troll who cares too much about how other autonomous adults choose to live their lives and find happiness. Sucks to be you, hope you're comfortable living as miserable as you are ♥️
@@RachelAndrea14 who cares, just sad how people think it's cool to be born different and live different lol. What are you proud of her?? He will live that miserable life till he's old😭😭😭
@@mcleetambe9026 baby SHE has a whole family behind her that loves, supports, and protects her as she is. And here you commenting on her loving her life, who's truly miserable? Be blessed
Don't feed the troll please. You know what they want, dont' give it to them. Let then go live back under the bridge where Trolls belong.
My deepest sympathies on the loss of your daughter & friend 🙏🙏🙏
Amazing interviews. Thank you to the Women who had to relive harmful moments to help others understand. 🥺🌸
Precious on the mic yessss that chant will make you feel it
Rest in Power Kelly 🏳️⚧️
*burn.. you meant burn hun.
@@rocafellariley2486 no, she didn’t, you ignoramus.
Rest in piss?
@@rocafellariley2486 YESSSS COME ON ROCAFELLA COME ONNNNNN
@@PaxMano33 shut up loool
This was EXCELLENT thank you so much to al the people involved
in making this documentary. BRAVA AND BRAVO!
This was beautiful. Thank you so much for this wonderful production. Onwards toward liberation!
I understand the advocate's point, but, every "murder" sends a message regardless of the circumstances. Murder is the result of anger, hatred, greed, passion, fear, etc.
I went to high school with Adam Hollier, he was always so kind to everyone and was the epitome of servant leader even at a young age. May God bless the advocates and the people who continue to fight for equal rights of members of the LGBTQ community... we are all God's children.
*June ends
Target: “we no longer support y’all…fuck off”
Canadian, glow-in-the-dark white bi Christian here. This is a great doc! The moms are awesome. I’m a mom myself who grew up in a church that preached hate…and then learned when my family left that quite a few of these “upstanding” people who judged my family so harshly were hiding *a lot*. My family is now understanding that when we blend the love that Christianity should have if we’re really following faith with remembering the basics (eg thou shalt not kill, love thy neighbour, etc), hate has no place. We attend affirming churches where all are welcome…and hopefully more will start to see this way too. My biological kids are discovering whom they are and I am with them the whole way on that ride. I get the mom’s fears…as the increase in hate seems to be increasing worldwide, I just hope my kids find far more acceptance than hate. At least I know they will stand up for the former and challenge the latter.
This is unbearable for bigots. I salute you all for your courage. To see you so lively, amid all this pain, makes me happy and hopeful . 💙👏👏👏👏👏
I'm confused, how is there a witness, who watched it, but the police weren't called until the murderer called an hour later 🤔 so her own friend didn't call an ambulance or nothing??
maybe cuz they were doing sex work 😭 its still a crime. so probably they cant safely report things like thisn
What’s ironic is the fact he took her life bc he didn’t want anyone to know about them yet now everybody he knows, his city, and the US+ knows! I don’t know how a pastor of all people can not only live a double life like that but turn around and commit murder. It’s now mid 2022 but yet he’s still not gone to court. Shameful.
these members of our community are everything, they are our soul. And how we treat them reflects on our goodness as a whole. Why is it so hard for us to love one another.
This was beautiful. i cried like a baby.
Same, baby, SAME!!
Chile I’m at work , wiping my eyes
🤡
Absolutely horrible /: sending love and prayers from downriver Michigan ❤️
Please more of this!!!! 😍😍❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for sharing this ❤❤❤❤
Its disgusting and hurtful that trans women never get any justice 🤬😢 I love you my trans sisters and will always continue to fight and stand up for you ladies. I pray one day you ladies get the justice you deserve in life.💜💜💜