@@heinokunzelmann8967 Well the point of that video is that you don't just do Set Rotation because other games have it. You use it to wildly experiment because mistakes will go away on their own. "Try something crazy or even something foolish" were my words, I think. I agree that Yugioh has been completely devoured by its own Power Creep, so I love the idea of GOAT and Edison and the current 2025 Life format on Master Duel. I agree it needs a proper shakeup, but I wouldn't use the words "Set Rotation", because we are well beyond that threshold. I mean, Rush Duel is right there, but uhhhhhhh...
Funnily enough. The Yugioh Two Player Starter Set does include tokens... but they're incredibly tiny cut outs in the end of the book Yes. CUT-OUTS. You have to cut them off of the book and put them on the table. And when I said they're tiny, I meant they're _tiny_
even more funnily enough they decided to print some tokens... in the megatins. as one of the highest rarity cards. man konami's priorities are... weird
Crazy bc the OCG boxes have token cards with perforated edges, so you can tear a collectable token from each box. It's like the game of telephone. Some Konami Tcg employee heard this and this is somehow what we got.
i love how half the episode is setting up the expectations of the review lol. trying to cram 25 years of the card game into a mishmash of a deck was incredibly dumb lol, the funny thing is that this outdated view of teaching the game came alongside japan's new Trial Decks which finally understood to use some basic archetypes with normal ratios so you can replay on your own without following a scripted tutorial was the best way to intro people into the game...they even implemented the decks into master duel for free!, chef kiss. also, the complexity of the cards is not that much of an issue if the deck works as intended. there is nothing as frustrating as having a hand full of unplayable cards and nothing to do.
In a way the episode structure can be an example of the flow a good tutorial game must have informative and exciting while slowly building to the best part
One little thing that unfortunately isn't true: the decks weren't implemented for "free" per se, as in they're readily available and can be accessed at any point AS an entry point for the competitive game. Instead, people WERE (past tense, it already stopped being the case) allowed to borrow any of the three Tactical Try decks for...I want to say unlimited amount of time, but somehow I remember there was a rank limitation to where you could play it while on the ranked ladder? While not being provided later on inside of the store. Giving some clarity in case people go to Master Duel with expectations of still being able to use them.
@@KuroeNezumi the decks were available for free. that's the only thing that matters. because if it is for a rank cap, 1- a new player will hardly rank up that much, 2- by the time they have the skill to rank up, they might have switched to a better constructed deck regardless. and it will be cool if the decks were still available but that's also beyond the scope of the product tie in. Try Decks aren't perfect, but compared to old structure decks and the abysmal 2-player starter set, they were amazing.
The worst part of this set is that it could have been EXCELLENT nostalgia bait. Dark Magician is an Xyz deck and Blue-Eyes is a Synchro deck with both having Fusion and Ritual support. Give Blue-Eyes a couple Dragon Link cards and Dark Magician a couple of Endymion Pendulums and you cover all the summoning mechanics. That's ignoring all the other protagonists and rivals that could build up multiple versions of the product for variety. If they can write the Voice Actor duel events for the bigger tournaments, they can make a tutorial product fun.
By the way, there's a set in the OCG (Japanese format) that has a product called the "Tactical Try" decks. These decks are structure decks focusing on fan-favorites that are competitively viable: Cyber Dragon, Live Twin and Eldlich. They have powerful staples and are pretty damn well optimized for those decks. This is what the TCG gets. A sorry excuse for a starter deck..
Even if they wanted to be even more appealing to casuals (which they near-completely neglected here), why not Magcian Girls/Dark Magician vs Elemental HEROes/Neo-Spacians? Or Blue-Eyes vs Red-Eyes?
Honestly I find there to be an interesting implication with the set coming with no playmats in the box or the instructions. It gives off the feeling that Yugioh is a game you can play anywhere and everywhere, there are no extra things you have to set up, you can just walk up anywhere with a friend and duel. Although the playmat was definitely cut to save money, and the set would be unarguably better with a playmat in every way.
Right After these Japan Got Themed deck for Cyber Dragon/ Live Twin that have everything needed for pretty much best build out of 1 box. Then the Japan only English text Starter deck was a complete dark Magician Deck. Though TCG GX starter decks had no Fusipn cards just the cards that used them included.
At this point I don't even know how happy id be. It's obviously better than no products, but having the OCG print out a product consisting of already printed cards, just for the TCG to follow through at least a whole year after is fucking absurd. @@mechasatsu6214
A bad beginner box has the same feeling to me as video games that have little to no tutorials. The kind where the only way to know what you are doing is to have already played the game before. It really makes you feel like the designers of the game don't want you to play their game, almost like they made these starter boxes because they had to and not because they wanted to. It's weird how often I see game companies (physical and digital) neglect the new player experience or treat it as not worth putting effort into.
16:15 Ah yes ryu ran, so bad and yet, it still managed to see actual meta play in ocg. I m not joking. Context : Due to how dragon (mainly tenpai, but also lot of boss monster like borreload savage dragon) and the fire attribute in general (mainly snake-eyes but also fire king, rescue-ace and even salamangreat) were meta relevant deck and ryu ran happen just happen to be both of those on to of being the strongest normal monsters with those stats. Basically the primite cards made it so you have access to amazing disruption. Bonus point for people who were running fiendsmith metalmorph and using max metalmorph on ryu ran to summon red-eyes black fullmetal Basically, carefull about which specific normal monster you make fun of. At some point, dokuroyaiba s price spiked in japan due to how the fire attribute and fiend type were the current decks to beat (too bad it didn't see play because there wasn't a good enough strategy to justify playing a primite around that time) Oh yeah, come to think, launch spider is the strongest normal fire machine currently so maybe it will come handy one day.
If they were trying to teach Synchro & XYZ, then they should have used Stardust Dragon Number 39: Utopia, respectively. They were the ace monsters of the protagonists for their respective series. Getting people hooked on the anime would be a good marketing strategy, even though they are a decade old.
Arc-V alone is over a decade old now. Even fans who got into the series during ZeXal are prbly feeling a bit long in the tooth. 😅 But yeah, these decks ought to have been centred around Utopia and Stardust. Seems like a no-brainer, rly.
I'd be hard-pressed to name any combination of products you wouldn't be better off spending £22 on as either a player or collector of Yu-Gi-Oh. Hell, give a noob 8 or 9 booster packs from recent sets, and depending on their pulls, they might even be able to put together a more coherent deck than either of these mid-00s starter deck-level messes.
I remember reading that the idea of this tutorial was to give the players a gradual build up on the complexity of gamestates, starting with vanillas and introducing more complex cards as it went along. I like the idea, because it feels better than simply forcing new players to jump into modern yugioh, but it REALLY didnt need so many turns playing with the vanillas, just a couple of turns where player A normals a guy and then tributes it for a tribute summon the following turn would probably do the trick
Kohdok if you ever look at how digital versions of games teach a player. Please look at the Yugioh world championship ds games. The tutorials while tucked away do give you a reward for going through them, enough points for some packs. Rewarding you for learn, so the opposite of modern schools
I assume the box doesn't have Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes plastered on it because Konami has gradually made an effort to move away from anime nostalgia and more into what Yugioh as an independent card game offers for designs (like making a mini anime series about popular archetypes)
Yeah, but at some point people are meant to be familar to the actual card game. At some point yugioh should be more than "that card game blue eyes" especialy when it get support every year lol@@Kohdok
It’s really pathetic how consistently Konami appears to do the minimum effort time after time. No real prizes then moving the needle an inch in the right direction changing 8 yro switches for steam decks, recognizing the existence of alternate formats then to not elaborate on almost any aspect of them. Etc. idk. Especially on how aggressive the competition is around them, I can’t comprehend how they can continue to be so shallow on every aspect of their player maintenance and hype.
I had the same perspective but I think about it like this: Competitive ygo players don't need a legitimately good reason to play and win outside of them just wanting to. The games are brutal and so are the prices and pull rates. Ygo players are so competitive at the game that they tolerate everything that makes it horrible. They absolutely LOVE the game. All they need is the bragging rights to motivate them to play
One of the most ridiculous things about the deck is that there isn't even an ATTEMPT at synergy with the construction. You can't even say what the decks are other than "One has Tuners so it's a Synchro deck, and one has Xyz monsters so it's an Xyz deck." Back when Yugioh did paired deck products you'd see a clear theme of, like "Fire vs. Water" or "Zombies vs. Dragons" and you could use that to inform your decision. The 2-player starter set is just, "Uh, which boss monster vibes with you more?"
@dudono1744 Well I think the point of the deck they wanted to do was to have a few different ranks but even then they could have done a Shark deck since that archetype was meant to hit 3 through 5 and has enough old cards that you can have synergy while remaining simple enough for a new player (cards like Silent Angler, Shark Stickers, Panther Shark/Eagle Shark, Sirenorca, etc.) A Shark deck would even let you include the mandatory vanilla as Megalosmasher X as an in-theme one, and have the intro book point out, "Level 4 and lower monsters almost never surpass 2000 ATK."
I will hear no slander of my Ryu-Ran good boy! He is but a dragon just coming out of his shell. He needs love and attention and at least he’s trying unlike the starter deck they put him in. Now toon Ryu-Ran he’s the real villain XD
14:09 wait i noticed something. In some regions the box is not just a cardboard paper, but actually a 2 piece rigid box. The ones i got is much better for storage
But Kohdok, the Yugioh 2 player starter does come with extras There are four tiny sheep tokens on the bottom of page 62, the back page that you can cut out and use. :^)
As a veteran yu-gi-oh fan and player, I'm surprised that's what the two player starter deck is. I'm not surprised by how stingy it is, but because even Konami got us used to better than that. The playmate would have been easy and cheap to add, the decks should have been way better (especially compared to modern structure decks), and I agree you can get snappier with the tutorial guide even with basic stuff. I'm not surprised about the tokens since it's hard to get any lol! I know it's hard to teach yu-gi-oh in its entirety (since I often do for kids at locals) but they could have done better for even a fraction of the game's mechanics! Even late 2000s structure decks has better explanations in them, and the boxes were better thanks to the plastic insert!
@Kohdok I'm still waiting on Photon Token reprints :/ There are tons of improvements and/or products that Konami could make but actively sleep on! The lack of an animé supporting the card game (beyond Rush Duel that nobody plays) is one of the big factors of the lack of new players. The rarity collections stuff were nice products that help any player get good stuff for a decent price (even for booster boxes) but that's as far as they'll go. They really use the pull-and-push model too much. Pulling the quality as low as they can before people get angry enough for them to push good stuff out
Oh God I'm only halfway through the video and he's been talking about how okay and decent the others are. At this point I am certain he is going to eviscerate the Yu-Gi-Oh box
I feel that a way for a potential yugioh starter set to reduce the immediate information overload that is the modern game it to take a page out of legacy games. Imagine a set that started with two half decks built with fairly simple effects like what starter decks used to have. After one game, the loser would be able to look through a series of sealed packs for their specific deck, each with a new boss monster on the front, which would contain a few new cards to power up their deck and a few cards explaining some simple combos with the cards they currently have. This would slow the introduction of game mechanics and combo complexity to slowly frog boil newbies as to what the game is like, but also allow experienced players to simply rip open all the packs and get reasonably powerful decks
The 2 player start set is soooooo disappointing as a Yu-Gi-Oh player I was hoping to use it to convince my friends to learn the game. Needless to say I wasted both my time and money
Here is how i would make a yugioh starter deck: 1. All the cards are simple but interesting. 2. Each deck has a coherent theme that can be built around. 3. Fusion, Ritual, Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum, and Link monsters and cards related to them would be relegated to bonuses that you can add to your deck after you get the hang of the main flow of the game, with their rules being part of an 'advanced technique' section.
honestly the best decks to build around those are actually dark magician and blue eyes. Dark magician now can easily do link, rit, and fusion plays as the blue eyes are synchro, xyz, and also links since pends are a weird and barely have a function now outside of hey i just use this as a monster fusion spell
Mostly elaborating. We got magician of chaos for rituals and we can fit in some decent rank 8's for blue eyes that aren't expensive but also worth the money. I'd personally do titanic galaxy dragon. But the fusions and synchros are going to be the main focus for blue eyes and dark magician.
Something I do like is how they end off the duel instruction book. They leave it hanging in the air after the field gets blown up and someone shuffles their deck. Now the game is a mystery! There's no way to predict how it'll go from here. A nice way to avoid designating someone a winner. The one thing that ruins that is the recursion of Eldlich. That thing can keep coming back as a 3500 body (back to 2500 after the turn it's summoned via its effect) which is really hard for the opposing deck to deal with.
There like 9 starter decks or 8. I seen like 4 new decks and I know there was 4 older decks since I have the one with kidd. I think it was kaido, stawhats, 7warlords and wrost rookies. Were the first decks released now we have Uta deck and some other new ones.
Kohdok, great video like always. But maybe next time you go down this road reviewing things with certain criterias you could give us a grading break down on those criterias and then at the end an overall grade. Doing this could also build onto future reviews with newer versions of the same game or just away to compare to other games.
Reading the comments, I'm happy i wasn't the only sheep who impulse bought this thing for a Zeus. The saddest thing is that I got it in Italian by accident when I just finished my full English Trains Deck...
This talk about not including tokens reminds me of when i used to play with friends we didnt know what tokens were and so they said i couldnt use the effect that created tokens because i didnt have a card for the tokens
does anyone else want to see konami punished for never getting it right? im not one to hate on companies, but theyve had decades to get it right and refuse to
I bought this set for my friend to teach him, we read through the rulebook and said screw it, shuffled the deck and just let him learn by trying different plays
I think the yugioh 2 player set may impruve if konami implement some of these changes: 1: make the 2 decks based on archetypes most of current yugioh decks are build around one or 2 archetypes so teaching about how archetypes work is important and also it will make the card selection of each deack a bit better by default 2: have clear characters as the base of the tutorial scenario for example what if the tutorial decks are supposed to be a sponsored stream of the live twins and one player is lil la and the other is ki sikil or having the tour guide of the underworld as your teacher who don't know how to lay that well herself that way you can also put some popular cards in the front of the box alongside the "boss" mosters of the decks 3: have a little extra selection of extra deck cards (and rutual) that can be added to both decks to encourage the players to learn about the other monster card types maybe have those cards be a random selection of 10 cards that come in a pre arranged pack but make 4 or 5 different packs so the players have some exciment because not always you get the same cards
I would have the Synchro deck be based on an archetype and the Xyz deck just be Rank X spam. I would also include cards with effects that can't be used within the deck, for example using Gold Pride - Leon as a Tuner that SS itself, but you don't use other Gold Prides so the other effects do nothing.
Yugioh is basically incompetent when it comes to getting new players. The game is too complicated, too expensive, the culture is really hostile, players moving from casual to serious is a huge culture shock, and Konami refuses to make high-quality complete starter sets or introductory events.
Outside the scope of reviewing starter kits, but from another channel I saw someone bemoaning the lack of intermediate products for Yu-Gi-Oh too. The lackluster learn to play kit, then nothing but straight on in to packs for competitive play. I know nothing about Yu-Gi-Oh, I never even watched more than ten minutes of the anime, but sounds like they didn't even include retired-classic cards like MtG's Serra Angel or Shivan Dragon. Things that can be good in low power decks and trigger nostalgia for the person teaching you, but thanks to power creep are essentially draft chaff nowadays.
Honestly modern yugioh is pretty bleh. I can't play it for more then a few games on master duel. The best way to play it really are the old classic formats like GOAT or Edison (which thankfully are getting more and more popular). But yeah this product is complete trash.
I always wanted to get into yugioh but it just seems so overwhelming and with no rotation, the amount of card knowledge to deck build seems spooky. Tbh i wish they would make a new rpg like the DS and gameboy games.
I think you underestimate how confusing these games can be for the uninitiated. It's very slow yes, but it has to be. The one change I think would've made the product miles better is to have full, interesting extra decks so that new players can play again and again to test out. In the end, I think this set is ok for an old player to introduce a newbie to the game, rather than for two new players to start.
Lorcana vid: noo you're too critical, give poor Ravensburger a chance, it's selling out everywhere near me! Yugioh vid: lol yes we hate Konami but what else can we do
Disagree on "no major mistakes". Using D.D. Crow on Skill Successor rather than on Eldlich (which can come back from the graveyard every turn and keep hitting like a truck) is just as dumb as not evolving your Pokemon. Alternatively you could also use it on the target of Call of the Haunted! Or on the target of Daigusto Emeral! That would STILL be a good play if you don't know about Eldlich, as it would teach the player about interrupting their opponent at the right moment! Skill Survivor is just the WORST possible choice here!! It also make the game once the tutorial is over (after they made one of the players shuffle) really biased towards the person with the Eldlich, as their draw don't matter, they can keep discarding spell/traps to bring back the Eldlich over and over, and are bound to win this. Why do all these guides teach bad plays to new players? What's the point in forcing them into, not even the worse play among two, but the worse play among three possible ones?
Watch this video that I've been waiting for a while, or work on my project when I have little free time. Well the project was already delayed sooooo! :)
Didnt their tutorial not touch Pendulums and another summon type at all, and instead, decided to highlight a weird eldlich/called by the grave interaction? Idk if id call that a good tutorial, its like if mtg didjt tell you a color existed.
It's still insane how badly they dropped the ball with this thing. It is genuinely better to buy any speed duel product as a starter choice than pick this thing up. I love Yugioh, but this is the lowest of the low. NO PLAYMAT?!
Its telling that I learned more about DM playing master duel, picking up one themed pack (the live*evil twin set) and a couple of relatively cheap structure decks (3*Blue Eyes MAX, Ditto another BE Archtype and one of the BM/BMG ones) and throwing myself relatively brainlessly at online ranked play, in about a week, than I ever did playing the game in meatspace of the game's 25 year history. Its anazing, the online client is the best in the business. I am not touching MTG* if I can get away with it and Pokemon's client(s) are completely sexless in terms of presentation. Somehow, a gameboy game coming up to 30 years their senior roundly outclasses them. If I said anything that positive of DM TGC without mentioning master duel, I'd be considered ether a loony or trying to region skip to DM OCG which seems to be- if only slightly- less of a racketering exercise and the format I'd go for *collecting* the cards from a "Fun to look at" perspective. * I will buy whatever FF cards look good second hand providing Hasbro doesn't do something majorly stupid and, say, sells up to Sparky Boom Boom Truck Man in the six months it's gonna take to get FF in a worse TCG and card stock- sidebar, have you *felt* FF Cards? Perfectly flat floor compared to everything else in the business, we are lambs to the cosmic slaughter!
one thing I dont like about the lorcana box is that theres really know way its a card game from a distance. To me, it gives a lot of board game notes, not card game.
I sure hope the Yugioh set teaches me how to take 10 minute turns where i special summon 30 monsters and ruin my opponent's day. That would be accurate to the current meta.
I feel like you might be overestimating the playability of the pokemon decks especially when an actually good product exists for just a little bit more than the two iron leaves decks. The step one and two decks are decent teaching tools but only the step three "League Battle Decks" are really worth the money.
@Kohdok The battle academy is a great teaching tool especially for kids. Other than the low barrier to entry for a single deck, the ex battle decks are pretty garbo. If you're gonna buy two, shell out the extra 5 bucks for a deck that can actually hang at a league.
Iron Leaves EX prepping with help from Vileplume, then using Turo's Scenario to swap it with your other Iron Leaves EX to do monster damage every turn is a heckuva drug. Just add Wo-Chien for extra aggravation.
@@Kohdok dang it would be cool if you could guaranteed attach energy onto your attacking pokemon and hit for big damage with one evolution line. And it came in a box for $25 with 5 ex cards, an ace spec and playsets of multiple staple cards
I’d say you are kinda hating on the Pokémon battle stadium a little to much imo. It’s mainly tailored to families/young children while the ex battle decks are better if your trying to teach someone older. The Pokémon battle league succeeds in providing a self-contained board game like experience to make the game simpler to children. So I think it’s lack of poison/burn counters is ok and the lack of pkmn with abilities is ok for teach younger people the rules/basics. I’d also say the tutorial isn’t the worst out there, where it introduced a mechanic while progressing the game. This retreat thing might only be in the Pikachu deck and not the most current iteration ❤ ur videos man, I’m always happy seeing u pop up in my yt notifications. Keep it up
You're expecting far too much from Komonoy there Kohdok. Yugioh's official product has gotten so bad I barely ever buy official product anymore and mostly just buy singles on the secondary market. Where I live a structure deck costs nearly 30 dollars.
Well if you ask me the reason why they didn't include too much Hand traps aside from maybe Kuriboh would be because new players would realize how broken-intrusive the game can get. Remember this is a Tutorial set, The pokemon Battle Academy as far people told me ain't even good enogh to trow hands at your locals (Let's be honest ya kinda cheating with the starting deck argument SPECIALY with the price cause that can vary a ton depending of your region.) Meanlwhile the 2 player starter deck comes with singles that are usable both in old formats like Gyroid-Penguin Soldier-Fate magician and in the new one like D.D Crow, Coral Dragon and MF Zeus. Is not the best product I agree 100% however if you can find it for dirt cheap you'll get some good stuff in there
Even as an avid Yugioh player for nearly 20 years, I can't defend this horrible product. Funny that you should say "Yugioh should make something like the academy box", because that is basically what the Speed Duel boxes are, minus having a tutorial. They feature a simplified format, draw heavily on the anime characters and card pool and feature 8 different decks that are fairly evenly matched. If they came with 1 tutorial fight alongside the full rules in a separate booklet, a die and a lifepad, they'd tick all of your boxes.
I don't know if this makes it worse or better, but there are tokens. You have to cut them out of the "manga". Such a disappointing product. I was buying some stuff at a card shop, and the person at the till pointed out that they had this product, and I was like, 'That thing is a scam' and she responded, "Yeah, my boyfriend has been complaining about it not being good." Last time I checked, that thing has been collecting dust on the shelf.
another thing that irks me about this so called beginner's box is that it doesnt even explain all of the game mechanics. no fusions, pendulums, rituals, or Link monsters. and while the established yugioh playerbase are tired of Dark magician and blue eyes, those 2 archetypes have cards that fall into all summon categories. if you want a really good beginner's product for Yugioh try out the Speed Duel Boxsets. they dont feature a scripted game tutorial, but they at least serve as a better ground level balanced playing field to introduce newbies into the game.
The Yugioh starter set is heinously bad. If I was going to make a 2 player starter set I’d make the first deck Live Twins and the second Swordsoul. Both decks are fast and consistent while also being really intuitive to play with a lot of room for skill expression.
While I understand your point, I think YGO needs to stop using the same two shitty monsters everyone recognizes and start using other monsters from the 25 years of cards. It's a shame to have so many archetypes with fully developed lore and recognizable characters but they keep farming the same old shitty monsters. Hopefully the new animations will help change that. Public perception needs to shift out of BEWD and DM. Pokemon at least has 151 recognizable nostalgic monsters to farm (though it's mostly the starters and pikachu). YGO only has two (maaaaaybe three with REBD, but that's a stretch).
Yugioh player here. Tried the ygo starter set with my partner and they didn’t like it nearly as much as lorcana. And we never even tried the lorcana starter set
Kohdok, regardless of the tension of the politics of randomize content. For the love of content, change up the faces. The face you use isn't bad but it gets stale after two years. Just makes your content look like RUclips slop.
I saw this thumbnail and audibly sighed. I know how terrible this thing is... Would've been so much better if they had fully committed to giving each deck an actual tangible combo line, so they actually play like modern Yugioh. Maybe with three versions, one for Synchro vs Xyz, one for Fusion vs Ritual, and one for Pendulum vs Link. Split up the mechanics so someone looking to learn a particular gimmick can grab that particular box. And maybe don't have the cover cards be ones that "cheat" the mechanic...
And I'm not a Pikachu or Charizard fan, but if you've only barely heard of Pokemon, those are the ones you recognize. It probably should appeal to outsiders more than it does to you.
@@Kohdok Maybe for newcomers thats a good thing. But people get bored of the same thing. My Yugioh community has lost a lot of players to 'sameness'. Its not good for the long time health of the game.
On one had I agree its really boring. But on the other it is one of the ways to draw in people because there iconic. I'd think its better for a product like this (Starter deck) and leave things like Live Twin and such for structure decks.
yugioh is broken has been since the start just about. text is so small you cant see it without a microscope, and why why why no keywords? My word. SIGH.
I have no idea how on earth you would make a two-player starter for Yugioh. Any decent deck is going to be super complex and not new player friendly or you make a worthless deck but understandable.
@@Kohdok I think Yugioh is its own beast and no other tcg has the issues it has. games end on turn 2 and turns combo off can be massive link chains. I think if konami made format starters like goat or edison that could work. But the modern game starter decks are almost impossible to keep everyone happy.
16:16 brah just said ryuran is not relevant, when he ist the most optimal primite target ever conceived, and im totally not just coping because of tenpai
ohhh yeah this is the content im lookin for
was surprised not to see it in your recent video about Konami's failed products lol
Mbt on a kodiak video? @MBTYuGiOh going to make a better yugioh?
@@heinokunzelmann8967 Wait, what?
@@Kohdok He's been targeted for suggesting that Yu-gi-oh needs Set Rotation. There's still blasters loaded to target him from so many.
@@heinokunzelmann8967 Well the point of that video is that you don't just do Set Rotation because other games have it. You use it to wildly experiment because mistakes will go away on their own. "Try something crazy or even something foolish" were my words, I think.
I agree that Yugioh has been completely devoured by its own Power Creep, so I love the idea of GOAT and Edison and the current 2025 Life format on Master Duel. I agree it needs a proper shakeup, but I wouldn't use the words "Set Rotation", because we are well beyond that threshold.
I mean, Rush Duel is right there, but uhhhhhhh...
ah yes, the zeus in a 20$ box
Zeus and Friends box
A 60 page tutorial filled with words is the perfect gateway for new Yu-Gi-Oh players to learn about hating to read
Funnily enough. The Yugioh Two Player Starter Set does include tokens... but they're incredibly tiny cut outs in the end of the book
Yes. CUT-OUTS. You have to cut them off of the book and put them on the table. And when I said they're tiny, I meant they're _tiny_
You and I both know that fixes nothing.
Komoney spares no expenses when it comes to being cheap bums for the TCG products.
even more funnily enough they decided to print some tokens... in the megatins. as one of the highest rarity cards. man konami's priorities are... weird
@@Kohdokyeah that’s like giving a someone ketchup for a burger that they ate 3 days ago
Crazy bc the OCG boxes have token cards with perforated edges, so you can tear a collectable token from each box.
It's like the game of telephone. Some Konami Tcg employee heard this and this is somehow what we got.
i love how half the episode is setting up the expectations of the review lol.
trying to cram 25 years of the card game into a mishmash of a deck was incredibly dumb lol, the funny thing is that this outdated view of teaching the game came alongside japan's new Trial Decks which finally understood to use some basic archetypes with normal ratios so you can replay on your own without following a scripted tutorial was the best way to intro people into the game...they even implemented the decks into master duel for free!, chef kiss.
also, the complexity of the cards is not that much of an issue if the deck works as intended. there is nothing as frustrating as having a hand full of unplayable cards and nothing to do.
In a way the episode structure can be an example of the flow a good tutorial game must have informative and exciting while slowly building to the best part
One little thing that unfortunately isn't true: the decks weren't implemented for "free" per se, as in they're readily available and can be accessed at any point AS an entry point for the competitive game.
Instead, people WERE (past tense, it already stopped being the case) allowed to borrow any of the three Tactical Try decks for...I want to say unlimited amount of time, but somehow I remember there was a rank limitation to where you could play it while on the ranked ladder? While not being provided later on inside of the store.
Giving some clarity in case people go to Master Duel with expectations of still being able to use them.
@@KuroeNezumi the decks were available for free. that's the only thing that matters.
because if it is for a rank cap, 1- a new player will hardly rank up that much, 2- by the time they have the skill to rank up, they might have switched to a better constructed deck regardless.
and it will be cool if the decks were still available but that's also beyond the scope of the product tie in.
Try Decks aren't perfect, but compared to old structure decks and the abysmal 2-player starter set, they were amazing.
The worst part of this set is that it could have been EXCELLENT nostalgia bait. Dark Magician is an Xyz deck and Blue-Eyes is a Synchro deck with both having Fusion and Ritual support. Give Blue-Eyes a couple Dragon Link cards and Dark Magician a couple of Endymion Pendulums and you cover all the summoning mechanics.
That's ignoring all the other protagonists and rivals that could build up multiple versions of the product for variety. If they can write the Voice Actor duel events for the bigger tournaments, they can make a tutorial product fun.
By the way, there's a set in the OCG (Japanese format) that has a product called the "Tactical Try" decks. These decks are structure decks focusing on fan-favorites that are competitively viable: Cyber Dragon, Live Twin and Eldlich. They have powerful staples and are pretty damn well optimized for those decks.
This is what the TCG gets. A sorry excuse for a starter deck..
And OCG-Asian English got duel ignition decks, swordsoul and hero, which are pretty good, especially in the limited cardpool of the OCG Asian English.
Even if they wanted to be even more appealing to casuals (which they near-completely neglected here), why not Magcian Girls/Dark Magician vs Elemental HEROes/Neo-Spacians? Or Blue-Eyes vs Red-Eyes?
Honestly I find there to be an interesting implication with the set coming with no playmats in the box or the instructions. It gives off the feeling that Yugioh is a game you can play anywhere and everywhere, there are no extra things you have to set up, you can just walk up anywhere with a friend and duel.
Although the playmat was definitely cut to save money, and the set would be unarguably better with a playmat in every way.
Zeus is still a good card up to this day.
I feel like this starter is the only reason its price dropped so low.
Right After these Japan Got Themed deck for Cyber Dragon/ Live Twin that have everything needed for pretty much best build out of 1 box. Then the Japan only English text Starter deck was a complete dark Magician Deck. Though TCG GX starter decks had no Fusipn cards just the cards that used them included.
I am still praying to dear god that Konami NA release an english version of those. The cards listed on those decks are worth a buy or two.
At this point I don't even know how happy id be. It's obviously better than no products, but having the OCG print out a product consisting of already printed cards, just for the TCG to follow through at least a whole year after is fucking absurd. @@mechasatsu6214
A bad beginner box has the same feeling to me as video games that have little to no tutorials. The kind where the only way to know what you are doing is to have already played the game before. It really makes you feel like the designers of the game don't want you to play their game, almost like they made these starter boxes because they had to and not because they wanted to. It's weird how often I see game companies (physical and digital) neglect the new player experience or treat it as not worth putting effort into.
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Ah yes ryu ran, so bad and yet, it still managed to see actual meta play in ocg. I m not joking.
Context : Due to how dragon (mainly tenpai, but also lot of boss monster like borreload savage dragon) and the fire attribute in general (mainly snake-eyes but also fire king, rescue-ace and even salamangreat) were meta relevant deck and ryu ran happen just happen to be both of those on to of being the strongest normal monsters with those stats.
Basically the primite cards made it so you have access to amazing disruption.
Bonus point for people who were running fiendsmith metalmorph and using max metalmorph on ryu ran to summon red-eyes black fullmetal
Basically, carefull about which specific normal monster you make fun of.
At some point, dokuroyaiba s price spiked in japan due to how the fire attribute and fiend type were the current decks to beat (too bad it didn't see play because there wasn't a good enough strategy to justify playing a primite around that time)
Oh yeah, come to think, launch spider is the strongest normal fire machine currently so maybe it will come handy one day.
If they were trying to teach Synchro & XYZ, then they should have used Stardust Dragon Number 39: Utopia, respectively. They were the ace monsters of the protagonists for their respective series. Getting people hooked on the anime would be a good marketing strategy, even though they are a decade old.
Arc-V alone is over a decade old now. Even fans who got into the series during ZeXal are prbly feeling a bit long in the tooth. 😅
But yeah, these decks ought to have been centred around Utopia and Stardust. Seems like a no-brainer, rly.
@@AxelWedstar411yeah, ppl who grew up with zexal are on their early 20s already, definitely not their targeted children demographic
I'd be hard-pressed to name any combination of products you wouldn't be better off spending £22 on as either a player or collector of Yu-Gi-Oh.
Hell, give a noob 8 or 9 booster packs from recent sets, and depending on their pulls, they might even be able to put together a more coherent deck than either of these mid-00s starter deck-level messes.
Now that you've talked about 2 out of the big 3 it would be neat if you also reviewed the Magic the Gathering Foundations Begginer Box.
It's 10 Jumpstart packs for $30.
It's fine.
10 packs that are all standard legal and in the foundations set
I remember reading that the idea of this tutorial was to give the players a gradual build up on the complexity of gamestates, starting with vanillas and introducing more complex cards as it went along. I like the idea, because it feels better than simply forcing new players to jump into modern yugioh, but it REALLY didnt need so many turns playing with the vanillas, just a couple of turns where player A normals a guy and then tributes it for a tribute summon the following turn would probably do the trick
And that's fine for the demo game, but the rest of the deck doesn't do anything to give them any depth in any game after that.
Theme in the background is Rua and Ruka battle theme 1.
Yugioh 5ds ost.
Kohdok if you ever look at how digital versions of games teach a player. Please look at the Yugioh world championship ds games. The tutorials while tucked away do give you a reward for going through them, enough points for some packs. Rewarding you for learn, so the opposite of modern schools
I assume the box doesn't have Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes plastered on it because Konami has gradually made an effort to move away from anime nostalgia and more into what Yugioh as an independent card game offers for designs (like making a mini anime series about popular archetypes)
I get that, but familiarity is how you draw the casually curious.
Yeah, but at some point people are meant to be familar to the actual card game. At some point yugioh should be more than "that card game blue eyes" especialy when it get support every year lol@@Kohdok
It’s really pathetic how consistently Konami appears to do the minimum effort time after time. No real prizes then moving the needle an inch in the right direction changing 8 yro switches for steam decks, recognizing the existence of alternate formats then to not elaborate on almost any aspect of them. Etc. idk. Especially on how aggressive the competition is around them, I can’t comprehend how they can continue to be so shallow on every aspect of their player maintenance and hype.
I had the same perspective but I think about it like this:
Competitive ygo players don't need a legitimately good reason to play and win outside of them just wanting to. The games are brutal and so are the prices and pull rates.
Ygo players are so competitive at the game that they tolerate everything that makes it horrible. They absolutely LOVE the game. All they need is the bragging rights to motivate them to play
One of the most ridiculous things about the deck is that there isn't even an ATTEMPT at synergy with the construction. You can't even say what the decks are other than "One has Tuners so it's a Synchro deck, and one has Xyz monsters so it's an Xyz deck."
Back when Yugioh did paired deck products you'd see a clear theme of, like "Fire vs. Water" or "Zombies vs. Dragons" and you could use that to inform your decision. The 2-player starter set is just, "Uh, which boss monster vibes with you more?"
Was it really that hard to make the Xyz deck just Rank 4 turbo ?
@dudono1744 Well I think the point of the deck they wanted to do was to have a few different ranks but even then they could have done a Shark deck since that archetype was meant to hit 3 through 5 and has enough old cards that you can have synergy while remaining simple enough for a new player (cards like Silent Angler, Shark Stickers, Panther Shark/Eagle Shark, Sirenorca, etc.)
A Shark deck would even let you include the mandatory vanilla as Megalosmasher X as an in-theme one, and have the intro book point out, "Level 4 and lower monsters almost never surpass 2000 ATK."
I will hear no slander of my Ryu-Ran good boy! He is but a dragon just coming out of his shell. He needs love and attention and at least he’s trying unlike the starter deck they put him in. Now toon Ryu-Ran he’s the real villain XD
14:09 wait i noticed something. In some regions the box is not just a cardboard paper, but actually a 2 piece rigid box. The ones i got is much better for storage
But Kohdok, the Yugioh 2 player starter does come with extras
There are four tiny sheep tokens on the bottom of page 62, the back page that you can cut out and use. :^)
As a veteran yu-gi-oh fan and player, I'm surprised that's what the two player starter deck is. I'm not surprised by how stingy it is, but because even Konami got us used to better than that. The playmate would have been easy and cheap to add, the decks should have been way better (especially compared to modern structure decks), and I agree you can get snappier with the tutorial guide even with basic stuff. I'm not surprised about the tokens since it's hard to get any lol! I know it's hard to teach yu-gi-oh in its entirety (since I often do for kids at locals) but they could have done better for even a fraction of the game's mechanics! Even late 2000s structure decks has better explanations in them, and the boxes were better thanks to the plastic insert!
I mean, If it came with Goat tokens, that would have gotten people to buy for reasons other than Zeus.
@Kohdok I'm still waiting on Photon Token reprints :/ There are tons of improvements and/or products that Konami could make but actively sleep on! The lack of an animé supporting the card game (beyond Rush Duel that nobody plays) is one of the big factors of the lack of new players. The rarity collections stuff were nice products that help any player get good stuff for a decent price (even for booster boxes) but that's as far as they'll go. They really use the pull-and-push model too much. Pulling the quality as low as they can before people get angry enough for them to push good stuff out
its trash but you get a free zeus soooo :/
The one good thing of that thing. And it’s cheap
Not free lol
I believe you mean "For $20".
Though it was $10 for me.
I found one for 10$ too, at a flea market
Better than free, currently the market price for that Zeus is higher than the market price for the 2-Player Starter sealed. (tcgplayer)
Oh well... At least the european version's box can be used for storage...
Oh God I'm only halfway through the video and he's been talking about how okay and decent the others are. At this point I am certain he is going to eviscerate the Yu-Gi-Oh box
I feel that a way for a potential yugioh starter set to reduce the immediate information overload that is the modern game it to take a page out of legacy games.
Imagine a set that started with two half decks built with fairly simple effects like what starter decks used to have. After one game, the loser would be able to look through a series of sealed packs for their specific deck, each with a new boss monster on the front, which would contain a few new cards to power up their deck and a few cards explaining some simple combos with the cards they currently have. This would slow the introduction of game mechanics and combo complexity to slowly frog boil newbies as to what the game is like, but also allow experienced players to simply rip open all the packs and get reasonably powerful decks
The 2 player start set is soooooo disappointing as a Yu-Gi-Oh player
I was hoping to use it to convince my friends to learn the game.
Needless to say I wasted both my time and money
Here is how i would make a yugioh starter deck:
1. All the cards are simple but interesting.
2. Each deck has a coherent theme that can be built around.
3. Fusion, Ritual, Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum, and Link monsters and cards related to them would be relegated to bonuses that you can add to your deck after you get the hang of the main flow of the game, with their rules being part of an 'advanced technique' section.
honestly the best decks to build around those are actually dark magician and blue eyes. Dark magician now can easily do link, rit, and fusion plays as the blue eyes are synchro, xyz, and also links since pends are a weird and barely have a function now outside of hey i just use this as a monster fusion spell
Mostly elaborating. We got magician of chaos for rituals and we can fit in some decent rank 8's for blue eyes that aren't expensive but also worth the money. I'd personally do titanic galaxy dragon. But the fusions and synchros are going to be the main focus for blue eyes and dark magician.
2:09 i love how this timestamp alone fucks up compleaty the yugioh product.
Can't believe we got this while the ocg got the tactical try decks
2 points in favor of Konami here: they managed to resist the urge to do Dark Magician vs Blue-eyes thankfully. And Iltra rare Zeuss look nice
Kohdok uploaded! what a blessing!
Something I do like is how they end off the duel instruction book. They leave it hanging in the air after the field gets blown up and someone shuffles their deck. Now the game is a mystery! There's no way to predict how it'll go from here. A nice way to avoid designating someone a winner.
The one thing that ruins that is the recursion of Eldlich. That thing can keep coming back as a 3500 body (back to 2500 after the turn it's summoned via its effect) which is really hard for the opposing deck to deal with.
I read the title as "Kohdok reviews Yugioh! 2 - player starter set", thinking they made a sequel.
And yet One piece makes six starter decks.
There like 9 starter decks or 8. I seen like 4 new decks and I know there was 4 older decks since I have the one with kidd. I think it was kaido, stawhats, 7warlords and wrost rookies. Were the first decks released now we have Uta deck and some other new ones.
Kohdok, great video like always. But maybe next time you go down this road reviewing things with certain criterias you could give us a grading break down on those criterias and then at the end an overall grade. Doing this could also build onto future reviews with newer versions of the same game or just away to compare to other games.
Hey remember when I said that in my local stores, the Pokémon EX decks cost 24€ rather than 10€? That Yu-Gi-Oh box is 40
Yeah, it's around $40 CAD too.
Reading the comments, I'm happy i wasn't the only sheep who impulse bought this thing for a Zeus.
The saddest thing is that I got it in Italian by accident when I just finished my full English Trains Deck...
This talk about not including tokens reminds me of when i used to play with friends we didnt know what tokens were and so they said i couldnt use the effect that created tokens because i didnt have a card for the tokens
Dude just asked for a Garnet in his starting hand. Things must be pretty bad
*stares at Kamen X and Beyblade X*
I think X is kinda cool tbh............
Xeriously? ruclips.net/video/3K9R1rYrHbU/видео.html
Yeah, I'd sooner recommend someone play the tutorials from masterduel then buy a structure deck.
Like they could have at least had like- Unexpected Dai for all the normal monsters.
does anyone else want to see konami punished for never getting it right? im not one to hate on companies, but theyve had decades to get it right and refuse to
I bought this set for my friend to teach him, we read through the rulebook and said screw it, shuffled the deck and just let him learn by trying different plays
Your edited video make card game content more fun.
Had to check what I was watching, thought it was a yugioh starter deck video and ended up being about lorcana
Setting up context for how...IT it is...
It is a very competitive game, but you can play with friends too
Hell yeah a Kohdok video!:)
This box was a steal for 12$ for a returning player
No joke, the anime is a better tutorial than any official Yugioh tutorial I’ve seen. And they don’t even play by the rules most of the time!
Would love to see you tackle the mtg starter kit
It's 10 Jumpstart packs for $30.
It's fine.
I was so hopeful for this product...It just sucks to see such a lack of effort on Konamis part for the game I love so much.
I think the yugioh 2 player set may impruve if konami implement some of these changes:
1: make the 2 decks based on archetypes most of current yugioh decks are build around one or 2 archetypes so teaching about how archetypes work is important and also it will make the card selection of each deack a bit better by default
2: have clear characters as the base of the tutorial scenario for example what if the tutorial decks are supposed to be a sponsored stream of the live twins and one player is lil la and the other is ki sikil or having the tour guide of the underworld as your teacher who don't know how to lay that well herself that way you can also put some popular cards in the front of the box alongside the "boss" mosters of the decks
3: have a little extra selection of extra deck cards (and rutual) that can be added to both decks to encourage the players to learn about the other monster card types maybe have those cards be a random selection of 10 cards that come in a pre arranged pack but make 4 or 5 different packs so the players have some exciment because not always you get the same cards
I would have the Synchro deck be based on an archetype and the Xyz deck just be Rank X spam. I would also include cards with effects that can't be used within the deck, for example using Gold Pride - Leon as a Tuner that SS itself, but you don't use other Gold Prides so the other effects do nothing.
Yugioh is basically incompetent when it comes to getting new players. The game is too complicated, too expensive, the culture is really hostile, players moving from casual to serious is a huge culture shock, and Konami refuses to make high-quality complete starter sets or introductory events.
Outside the scope of reviewing starter kits, but from another channel I saw someone bemoaning the lack of intermediate products for Yu-Gi-Oh too. The lackluster learn to play kit, then nothing but straight on in to packs for competitive play.
I know nothing about Yu-Gi-Oh, I never even watched more than ten minutes of the anime, but sounds like they didn't even include retired-classic cards like MtG's Serra Angel or Shivan Dragon. Things that can be good in low power decks and trigger nostalgia for the person teaching you, but thanks to power creep are essentially draft chaff nowadays.
They have one of the retired big old school iconic monsters, Dark Magician, and they even have a couple of cards that support it specifically.
Honestly modern yugioh is pretty bleh. I can't play it for more then a few games on master duel. The best way to play it really are the old classic formats like GOAT or Edison (which thankfully are getting more and more popular).
But yeah this product is complete trash.
i need to know if theres any collectible DICE trading games kind of like jagun fighters
IIRC there is a game called "Dragon Dice" by a company called "SFR"
I always wanted to get into yugioh but it just seems so overwhelming and with no rotation, the amount of card knowledge to deck build seems spooky. Tbh i wish they would make a new rpg like the DS and gameboy games.
I think you underestimate how confusing these games can be for the uninitiated. It's very slow yes, but it has to be. The one change I think would've made the product miles better is to have full, interesting extra decks so that new players can play again and again to test out. In the end, I think this set is ok for an old player to introduce a newbie to the game, rather than for two new players to start.
Lorcana vid: noo you're too critical, give poor Ravensburger a chance, it's selling out everywhere near me!
Yugioh vid: lol yes we hate Konami but what else can we do
Disagree on "no major mistakes". Using D.D. Crow on Skill Successor rather than on Eldlich (which can come back from the graveyard every turn and keep hitting like a truck) is just as dumb as not evolving your Pokemon. Alternatively you could also use it on the target of Call of the Haunted! Or on the target of Daigusto Emeral! That would STILL be a good play if you don't know about Eldlich, as it would teach the player about interrupting their opponent at the right moment! Skill Survivor is just the WORST possible choice here!!
It also make the game once the tutorial is over (after they made one of the players shuffle) really biased towards the person with the Eldlich, as their draw don't matter, they can keep discarding spell/traps to bring back the Eldlich over and over, and are bound to win this. Why do all these guides teach bad plays to new players? What's the point in forcing them into, not even the worse play among two, but the worse play among three possible ones?
Watch this video that I've been waiting for a while, or work on my project when I have little free time.
Well the project was already delayed sooooo! :)
having played master duel when it first came out really hard i got PTSD from seeing eldlitch
The EU version has a hard cover box so its slightly better for storage at least.
Didnt their tutorial not touch Pendulums and another summon type at all, and instead, decided to highlight a weird eldlich/called by the grave interaction? Idk if id call that a good tutorial, its like if mtg didjt tell you a color existed.
I read the tittle wrong and thought Konami actually made a Yugioh 2.
Don't make jokes.
Speaking of Foundations, what are your thoughts on MTG Foundation product line?
It's 10 Jumpstart packs for $30.
It's fine.
It's still insane how badly they dropped the ball with this thing. It is genuinely better to buy any speed duel product as a starter choice than pick this thing up. I love Yugioh, but this is the lowest of the low. NO PLAYMAT?!
Its telling that I learned more about DM playing master duel, picking up one themed pack (the live*evil twin set) and a couple of relatively cheap structure decks (3*Blue Eyes MAX, Ditto another BE Archtype and one of the BM/BMG ones) and throwing myself relatively brainlessly at online ranked play, in about a week, than I ever did playing the game in meatspace of the game's 25 year history.
Its anazing, the online client is the best in the business. I am not touching MTG* if I can get away with it and Pokemon's client(s) are completely sexless in terms of presentation. Somehow, a gameboy game coming up to 30 years their senior roundly outclasses them.
If I said anything that positive of DM TGC without mentioning master duel, I'd be considered ether a loony or trying to region skip to DM OCG which seems to be- if only slightly- less of a racketering exercise and the format I'd go for *collecting* the cards from a "Fun to look at" perspective.
* I will buy whatever FF cards look good second hand providing Hasbro doesn't do something majorly stupid and, say, sells up to Sparky Boom Boom Truck Man in the six months it's gonna take to get FF in a worse TCG and card stock- sidebar, have you *felt* FF Cards? Perfectly flat floor compared to everything else in the business, we are lambs to the cosmic slaughter!
one thing I dont like about the lorcana box is that theres really know way its a card game from a distance.
To me, it gives a lot of board game notes, not card game.
I sure hope the Yugioh set teaches me how to take 10 minute turns where i special summon 30 monsters and ruin my opponent's day. That would be accurate to the current meta.
I feel like you might be overestimating the playability of the pokemon decks especially when an actually good product exists for just a little bit more than the two iron leaves decks. The step one and two decks are decent teaching tools but only the step three "League Battle Decks" are really worth the money.
Nah dude the board is pretty sweet.
@Kohdok The battle academy is a great teaching tool especially for kids. Other than the low barrier to entry for a single deck, the ex battle decks are pretty garbo. If you're gonna buy two, shell out the extra 5 bucks for a deck that can actually hang at a league.
Iron Leaves EX prepping with help from Vileplume, then using Turo's Scenario to swap it with your other Iron Leaves EX to do monster damage every turn is a heckuva drug. Just add Wo-Chien for extra aggravation.
@@Kohdok dang it would be cool if you could guaranteed attach energy onto your attacking pokemon and hit for big damage with one evolution line. And it came in a box for $25 with 5 ex cards, an ace spec and playsets of multiple staple cards
My box is nothing like that, maybe is different in the EU
Sounds like Foundations's Beginner Box for Magic wins a look? Even if you have sworn off the experience?
It's ten Jumpstart packs for $30.
It's fine.
@@Kohdok that was a quick review
It's really all that's necessary.
bro pivoted to yugioh and i knew it was over kek
glad to hear the tuto was decent, not perfect, but nice (:
15:00 Noway they unironically used Comic Sans
I think that's another Comic font than Sans. Still a poor choice, though.
I think it's Anime Ace?
I’d say you are kinda hating on the Pokémon battle stadium a little to much imo. It’s mainly tailored to families/young children while the ex battle decks are better if your trying to teach someone older. The Pokémon battle league succeeds in providing a self-contained board game like experience to make the game simpler to children. So I think it’s lack of poison/burn counters is ok and the lack of pkmn with abilities is ok for teach younger people the rules/basics.
I’d also say the tutorial isn’t the worst out there, where it introduced a mechanic while progressing the game. This retreat thing might only be in the Pikachu deck and not the most current iteration
❤ ur videos man, I’m always happy seeing u pop up in my yt notifications. Keep it up
"It's if it sucks; it's for kids" does not hold water with me.
@@Kohdokye that’s fine. It’s not the best, but it’s good for what it’s trying to do.
You're expecting far too much from Komonoy there Kohdok. Yugioh's official product has gotten so bad I barely ever buy official product anymore and mostly just buy singles on the secondary market. Where I live a structure deck costs nearly 30 dollars.
15:13 I don't think we are coming out alive with this one paleo bros.
Well if you ask me the reason why they didn't include too much Hand traps aside from maybe Kuriboh would be because new players would realize how broken-intrusive the game can get.
Remember this is a Tutorial set, The pokemon Battle Academy as far people told me ain't even good enogh to trow hands at your locals (Let's be honest ya kinda cheating with the starting deck argument SPECIALY with the price cause that can vary a ton depending of your region.) Meanlwhile the 2 player starter deck comes with singles that are usable both in old formats like Gyroid-Penguin Soldier-Fate magician and in the new one like D.D Crow, Coral Dragon and MF Zeus.
Is not the best product I agree 100% however if you can find it for dirt cheap you'll get some good stuff in there
Can Konami lose the Yugioh license already?
Even as an avid Yugioh player for nearly 20 years, I can't defend this horrible product.
Funny that you should say "Yugioh should make something like the academy box", because that is basically what the Speed Duel boxes are, minus having a tutorial. They feature a simplified format, draw heavily on the anime characters and card pool and feature 8 different decks that are fairly evenly matched. If they came with 1 tutorial fight alongside the full rules in a separate booklet, a die and a lifepad, they'd tick all of your boxes.
Cheapest way to get Zeus lmao bought 3 so i could have a set
The one good thing about it
I don't know if this makes it worse or better, but there are tokens. You have to cut them out of the "manga".
Such a disappointing product. I was buying some stuff at a card shop, and the person at the till pointed out that they had this product, and I was like, 'That thing is a scam' and she responded, "Yeah, my boyfriend has been complaining about it not being good."
Last time I checked, that thing has been collecting dust on the shelf.
another thing that irks me about this so called beginner's box is that it doesnt even explain all of the game mechanics.
no fusions, pendulums, rituals, or Link monsters.
and while the established yugioh playerbase are tired of Dark magician and blue eyes, those 2 archetypes have cards that fall into all summon categories.
if you want a really good beginner's product for Yugioh try out the Speed Duel Boxsets. they dont feature a scripted game tutorial, but they at least serve as a better ground level balanced playing field to introduce newbies into the game.
Honestly, I wouldn't be mad to see Blue-Eyes if the Xyz deck was a Rank 8 pile. Like, "here's a Level 8 you can cheat out with the vanilla support"
No flesh and blood products would get a good grade on this scale, one of the worst things.
The Yugioh starter set is heinously bad. If I was going to make a 2 player starter set I’d make the first deck Live Twins and the second Swordsoul. Both decks are fast and consistent while also being really intuitive to play with a lot of room for skill expression.
While I understand your point, I think YGO needs to stop using the same two shitty monsters everyone recognizes and start using other monsters from the 25 years of cards. It's a shame to have so many archetypes with fully developed lore and recognizable characters but they keep farming the same old shitty monsters. Hopefully the new animations will help change that. Public perception needs to shift out of BEWD and DM.
Pokemon at least has 151 recognizable nostalgic monsters to farm (though it's mostly the starters and pikachu). YGO only has two (maaaaaybe three with REBD, but that's a stretch).
Exodia and Kuriboh are also very recognizable, but yeah we need more recent stuff. Stardust would already be a huge step in the right direction.
wait, people are defending lorcana?
Yugioh player here. Tried the ygo starter set with my partner and they didn’t like it nearly as much as lorcana. And we never even tried the lorcana starter set
Kohdok, regardless of the tension of the politics of randomize content. For the love of content, change up the faces. The face you use isn't bad but it gets stale after two years.
Just makes your content look like RUclips slop.
I saw this thumbnail and audibly sighed. I know how terrible this thing is... Would've been so much better if they had fully committed to giving each deck an actual tangible combo line, so they actually play like modern Yugioh. Maybe with three versions, one for Synchro vs Xyz, one for Fusion vs Ritual, and one for Pendulum vs Link. Split up the mechanics so someone looking to learn a particular gimmick can grab that particular box. And maybe don't have the cover cards be ones that "cheat" the mechanic...
As a lifetime Yugioh player I am absolutely SICK of seeing BEWD and DM on every package. so disagreement there.
And I'm not a Pikachu or Charizard fan, but if you've only barely heard of Pokemon, those are the ones you recognize. It probably should appeal to outsiders more than it does to you.
@@Kohdok Maybe for newcomers thats a good thing. But people get bored of the same thing. My Yugioh community has lost a lot of players to 'sameness'. Its not good for the long time health of the game.
On one had I agree its really boring. But on the other it is one of the ways to draw in people because there iconic. I'd think its better for a product like this (Starter deck) and leave things like Live Twin and such for structure decks.
Maybe a good compromise will be tour guide to the underworld she is a very popular card that even some people that don't play Yugioh know
Dont listen to the disney haters pal. They are blinded by nostalgia. And the Disney Adults are quite cringey.
yugioh is broken has been since the start just about. text is so small you cant see it without a microscope, and why why why no keywords? My word. SIGH.
I have no idea how on earth you would make a two-player starter for Yugioh. Any decent deck is going to be super complex and not new player friendly or you make a worthless deck but understandable.
I think step 1 would be having the combat tutorials with combo pieces whose effects are irrelevant to the current goings-on.
@@Kohdok I think Yugioh is its own beast and no other tcg has the issues it has. games end on turn 2 and turns combo off can be massive link chains.
I think if konami made format starters like goat or edison that could work. But the modern game starter decks are almost impossible to keep everyone happy.
Probably by starting of players with ether the goat or edison format.
16:16 brah just said ryuran is not relevant, when he ist the most optimal primite target ever conceived, and im totally not just coping because of tenpai