It was actually Hot Pie that told Arya. He said Jon Snow had an army of wildlings that came down from the north and won the Battle of the bastards and the Bolton's had lost Winterfell.
Note the contradictory representations: In this episode, Missandei says, "She's not our queen because she's the daughter of some king we never knew. She is the queen we chose." But just an episode or two ago, Dany said to Jon, "I was born to rule the Seven Kingdoms, and I will." Even here, there is already a tension between the vision and the reality...
A couple of points: It wasn't the Lannister soldiers who told Arya about Winterfell being back in the hands of her family (that encounter only provided a human "normal guys" face to a previously generic "enemy") it was Hot Pie who told her about Jon and the Battle of the Bastards. The character of Arya was left handed... Maisie Williams learned to handle a sword left handed to be true to the role.
Fun fact. The actress who plays Arya Stark is actually right handed. She learned her sword work left handed because her character is left handed in the book. She was told it wasn't necessary, but she wanted to stay true to her character.
Arya arrives in Winterfell... Now the next fun begins... 😜 23:24 Arya's actress, Maise Williams, is right-handed. She has trained specifically for her scenes so that she can wield a weapon with her left hand.
10 episodes away from finishing the show! :S But good news is... We will get you to react to House of the Dragon! And it will be a rewatch for Stefani. You get a lot of things from rewatching. Im excited!
After the conversation in Winterfell about "How are we going to feed everyone?", watching Dany burn an entire wagon train of freshly harvested crops will never not seem stupid to me. Amazing spectacle, though. This episode was visually incredible.
I actually loved the detail, because Dany has no concept of a Westeros winter and from her experience in Essos if you need food you just grow it. It’s a horrific act to the people she’s come to rule that she doesn’t understand was almost unforgivable. Much like burning BOTH Tarlys. Her advisors failed her & so did her own instincts unfortunately. Westeros isn’t Essos. Love Dany but this clash was inevitable and now we’ll probably never get the book resolution either. *sigh*
@@kristinawrites238people still need to eat in Essos, growing stuff takes time, so it really makes no sense. Looks cool on screen tho (tagline for the last seasons)🎉
From Jamies POV he killed the mad king to stop him burning them all and now years later his daughter shows up and burns them all There is a YT clip from season 1 called war stories where King Robert, Barriston Selmy and Jamie Lannister are exchanging stories of their 1st kill and Robert remembers being on the battlefield while some "highborn idiot" charged at him across the battlefield trying to end the rebellion but got smashed by Roberts hammer and that almost perfectly described Jamies charge at Dany. Robert also tells us how the songs dont tell us about people shitting themselves when they die, which is another thing repeated in this episode by Bronn
Theon was still partially responsible for the death of Rickon. If Theon hadnt betrayed Rob and attacked Winterfell, then Bran and Rickon would never have had to flee the castle, which led to Rickon seeking shelter with the Umbers, who handed him over to Ramsay Bolton.
Loved that Ashley noticed that Arya was left handed. Maisie Williams learn that about Arya and learn all her choreography with her left hand because she knew that fact about her. Pretty awesome and shows Maisie Williams talent and dedication to her craft.
If you've watched Season 4 of Stranger Things, one of the guards at Winterfell who talks with Arya is played by Joseph Quinn, the same actor who plays Eddie Munson.
Lindsey, I can highly appreciate your growth through all of this. Concerning the horse, you said that you were thinking, go for the horse. War is difficult, even for a well seasoned (insane) warrior. They know what needs to be done......that never makes it easy it MIGHT become easier to PROCESS what needs be done, but the reality of it is never easy. You knew, "go for the horse", and you delivered that knowledge, with a feeling of regret, yet still knowing and realizing what needs be. I can appreciate that.
Jon's charisma seems to increase when inside a cave... That scene where Jamie is charging Dany with the spear draws parallels with the scene with Robert in the first season, talking about the one dumb kid charging at him thinking he could end the war right there.
Someone mentioned that Maisie trained to play Arya left-handed and there's an extra detail to it: Early on she showed up to a scene involving some sword play and they had setup the blocking for Maisie (right-handed) and she rebuked them, that she was going to do it properly (left-handed). Also, that knife flip that she does in the fight with Brienne was absolutely real and fucking cool as hell. There is a behind the scenes video the two of them practising that fight (Arya-Brienne showdown behind the scenes), and you can see Maisie do that exact move perfectly. It's not long, so not worth a separate reaction but maybe something to add in somewhere.
I loved Dany asking for Jon’s advice and I especially loved Jon telling her that if she used her dragons to melt castles and burn cities then she’s not different, she’s just more of the same type of psychos that’s been ruling Westeros for decades.
Episode 4 is a good example of what changed with GoT and why so many were critical of its ending. In the first five seasons the show was working from published books and George RR Martin was the writer. The issue in the first five seasons was not how to tell the story, but what to leave out of the story. The story was so rich in detail, in people, in plot it forced a slow pace in the storytelling. After season five the show runners have to write their own story and they either can’t write with the same detail and pacing or they aren’t patient enough to write with the same detail and pacing. Instead they offer the viewer spectacle. The spectacle of Drogon burning the Lannister army. The spectacle of Arya the assassin. But don’t ask how Dany ferried the Dothraki and their horses to Westeros without being seen or having the Lannister army alerted - or where they landed all those boats. Don’t ask where Arya got enough poison to kill off an entire House. And don’t expect to see any of these scenes. The writers either can’t write them or don’t have the patience for it, rushing the story along at breakneck speed. Instead they give the viewers lots of very satisfying spectacle, but spectacle nonetheless and a lot of it needlessly contrived, which weakens the internal logic and world-building that made the first five seasons so compelling. Here’s one non-spoiler “spoiler” as an example: it’s nearly 1500 miles from Winterfell to King’s Landing - roughly the same from The Wall to Dragonstone, perhaps a little less in a straight line. How long does it take to march that distance? On horseback? By raven? But don’t think too long. And don’t ask too many questions. The show runners have no answers. And that’s why so many viewers were left disappointed. It wasn’t the way the story ended; it was the way the show ended.
Agreed. The showrunners either didn't have the ability to craft the story the way Martin did, or they tried to speed things along because they had other projects waiting (like the ill-fated Star Wars movies they were promised). It's a real shame, because HBO offered D&D more seasons, but they declined. What could have been...
Only an Idiot will come up with such whinge. The only problem of the show is they rushed off as Lucasfilm wanted them for Star Wars. It would've been better for it to be flushed out, but the questions you have are pretty easy to answer. And if you don't know them , then you are a rtrd.
Robert Baratheon: Only a fool faces The Dothraki in an open field. 7 seasons later and the dood was proven right. Edit: Even the horses did not fear the fire; they ran through it! Dany and her Dothraki were terrifying! Talk about an epic rebuttal to the losses of Houses Tyrell and Martell; Dany literally left scorched Earth for her opposition.
@@bill.godwin-austen yeah right by this point in story scheming and politicking was meaning less and less and dragons and magic took over. Varys and little finger masters of the game were getting ineffective
The other call back was Robert Baratheon talking with Jaime & Ser Barristan talking about a boy he killed during the rebellion. ‘He came charging at me, this stupid highborn lad, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single swing of his sword.’ Plus Jaime’s burn them all trauma. Yes, she resisted the urge to kill 1/2 a million people by going and burning a few thousand and a year or two’s worth of food. The POV shift from Dany high above her enemies to being on the ground, after meeting those regular Lannister soldier on the road with Arya, is very deliberate. They’re reminding you they aren’t faceless rent-a-soldiers, they have lives, personalities & few choices to avoid being in that armour. War is ugly & hurts the average person disproportionately is something GRRM tries to drive home. That much D&D got right, don’t ask my opinions on everything they didn’t 🤦♀️
The closest comparison from TV or movies that I can think of for Bran is Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen. He was a normal dude who had a nuclear experiment go wrong, and became all powerful and all knowing afterwards. This pretty much caused him to cease caring for the people who were closest to him. He became cold and also easily distracted with his work, or his "purpose" if you will.
August 7th, 2017, a record was broken for most actors on fire for a scene... Benioff told Entertainment Weekly, "In one battle scene we set more stuntmen on fire than have ever been simultaneously set on fire. Our stunt coordinator really wanted to get in the Guinness Book of World Records for this." According to the show's stunt co-ordinator, Rowley Irlam, the sequence "has 73 fire burns." According to Irlam, "No film or TV show has ever done that in a whole show, let alone in one sequence. We also set 20 people on fire at one time, which is also a record." As to whether or not this has been broken, I can't say, I haven't been able to Google the correct sequence of words to get the search.......I don't go past the first three, otherwise I would waste entire weeks clicking on links
Pretty sure the previous record was also set by Game Of Thrones in 5x9 at the fighting pits with over 20 people. GoT had a habit of breaking it's own records constantly lol.
Jamie may have questionable morals but he has consistently been honorable. It seemed strange to me that his brother would even think he would flee. The surprising actions are that Bronn didn’t when he clearly holds self preservation above honor or friendship.
This episode actually deserved one big character death (maybe not Jamie but atleast bronn) but plot armor was so strong that from Drogon to Dickon everybody was alive by the end of the episode.
Yeah if it was still JRRM's GoT Bronn should have died somewhere between S7 and S8. Maybe here facing Drogon, 'mano a dragono', an epic honorable death for a lowborn cutthroat. But it wasn't no more, since S6 it was D&D's GoT and Bronn was a fan favorite so ... plot armor was strong with this one.
I like to say she is "crooked as a dogs hind leg." That fight scene is one of the most memorable. I love when the Dothraki jump up on their horses back and fire arrows. The best part is, you don't know who to root for. You don't want Drogon or Dani to be injured, but you also don't want Bron or Jamie to be killed. As far as how many people were set on fire, I know at the time it was the most. I don't know if the sowing of the seeds in HOTD surpassed it. They burned a bunch of folks there too. I don't know that they had a lot of other materials available that wood and iron for the scorpions. It has to be able to be pulled by horses for a long distance. I always wondered how Jamie survived jumping into water with armor on. That seemed a bit sketch to me.
Farewell Meera, you were a real one, and you're exiting the show alive, that's more than many could have hoped for even though I wished you had more to do these final seasons. Also "crooked as a question mark". Hahahaha. ^^
Yeah Daenerys was so angry that she teleported herself and thousands of dothrakis in front of the lannister army. You can really tell magic has returned to Westeros.
It was actually Hot Pie who let Arya know that the Boltons no longer have Winterfell and Jon is King in the North. Minor detail really, but I love Hot Pie so wanted to give him his last moment lol The Lannister boys were by The Twins after the Freys were all massacred.
I DON'T CARE what anyone says! Bran being this way is fine and his story is super interesting. Imagine trying to store the World's knowledge into one person. It's crazy. He's been on the run since he was 10? It's insane to think he'd be normal.
@@DavidCarradinesBelt enjoying a story isn't coping. Giving King to Jon Snow is overkill. Giving King to Tyrion fells underwhelming. Who would you give King to?
At the end of the episode I had a big question about Jamie. Was he intentionally going on a suicide mission by charging the dragon? It appears that he was but why? And why don't reactors ever talk about this? How does he get out of the lake with that heavy armor?
His intentions were very clear that's why most people don't feel the need to discuss it any further. He thought it had a chance at ending the war and took it, even though it was reckless (which is on brand for Jaime, that was even established the very first time we saw him season 1 ep 1)
Drogon almost died, that arow could have gotten him at the heart or the throat , Bronn's competence can be scary when directed against characters we root for 😧
one of my fav episodes. great reactions. you should show the girls the "game of phones" videos from I think it was Jimmy Kimmel show where the cast was doing phone support for GOT questions from fans. Funny stuff. Short videos would be great for bonus content. think there's 2 of them.
i have never understood being team Dany while (and after) seeing this. HORROR. absolute horror. She’s brought nuclear weapons to a sword fight! Jamie and Bronn are freaking heroes, trying to end that!
People don't understand that after Casserly Rock, the Unsullied and Dothraki left and sailed for Highgarden. That is why they were there There was no big "jump" Danny could get there quickly on dragonback and she did.......to meet up with her army that was almost there. I hope that clears things up for some. I hear it all the time, they just jumped from one place to another instantly. No, they did not, Tyrion and the rest, yeah, they should not have been able to get there.
The gold was already well on its way to Kings Landing. All Dany accomplished was destroying tons of food that the poor starving people of Westeros needed.
Yeah that didn’t make any sense. Her army needs that food badly (not much to eat on Dragonstone but fish). And if she gave some of the harvest back to the farmers of the Reach she’d win some hearts and minds
"Which lady stark" Makes absolutely no sense at all. Arya knows they don't mean her mother, cus she knows her mother is dead. And she knows they don't mean Arya, cus...um...she knows she's Arya. She's clearly been drinking too much ale and blackberry wine.
What makes this good is the Arya Brianne scene Arya already landed what would have been 5 kill shots irl which pissed off Brianne then Arya proceeds to land even more possible kill shots before they come to a draw Arya could've killed her 10 times which makes this scene even better
Why did Dani destroy the supply carts? Her army needs food as much as the Lannister army. There’s no farms on Dragonstone so they’re probably feeding her army food they brought from Essos (which would run out fast) and fish (the only food around dragonstone). She could also have returned some of the food to the farmers of the Reach (who Bron took it from) so they don’t starve before the next harvest. That would win her some goodwill From the most populous part of Westeros. Destroying the food carts was just stupid and wasteful
"We can hold them off" followed by Jaime's stunned look at hearing a dragon for the first time is gonna go down as one of the best moments of television history.
Each time I see the scene at 29:52 - 30:07 I get more and more pissed off that the show dropped in quality in the last 4 seasons. Because this scene is so epic I get chills, every damn time, but it's completely meaningless, the writers made it meaningless. It has no depth to it, the entire fight is short and incredibly sudden. Fights in the first 4 seasons were built so well, through multiple episodes/seasons.
sorry i don't remember who is Lindsay or Ashley, but grey beanie lady picked up on Sansa's weird reaction to Arya Brienne sparring in front of Baelish... just remember it for the post season 7 finale discussion. 🤫🤐
Buenas Noches Amigas, Yes, five cups for this magnificent episode, The moment of Brieene and Podrick seeing the Stark children is to cry, the one who saved Jaime from Fire was Bron, in my opinion, if I were Littlefinger, if I heard about Chaos is a ladder, I would come buzzing out of Winterfel ♥❄&🔥´♬
The only problem I had with the Arya vs Brienne sparring match is Arya wasn’t taught sword or knife fighting (at least not on camera) in Bravos. She didn’t even have her blade with her. She did all her sparring with staves or unarmed in Bravos. So while she’d have fast reactions and be able to dodge attacks it wouldn’t make her an expert with blades.
@@andrewward5891 sparring with staves is just training for blades, and she also had a swordmaster as a kid in s1 who taught her a lot in the short time he lasted
Lindsey calls it out with Daenerys’ attack on the Lannisters at High Garden…. “You can’t pay your debts now.” Yup. All talk about gold to repay the Iron Bank, with Cersei’s belief that investment for future war would then be funded by the Iron Bank. Important point you didn’t talk about in your post reflections. What happens when a Lannister can’t repay their debts? 🤔
I don't think Brandon died in the cave......I think it is easier for people, to think, that he died in that cave. He grew in that cave. Did the 2 year old you die, how about the 4-5-6 year old you, did that you die when you went to kindergarten? He grew, and matured well beyond a regular human. The older a person gets, the less emotionally reactive that person becomes. Not because a part of them has died....and certainly NOT because they no longer feel the emotions. Rather, because they have learned to process the emotions far better. Seeing a rose for the first time, and how beautiful it is.......seeing it for the one millionth time, is it any less beautiful? No, you can just process the experience easier and faster. Brandon, has emotions and life experiences from EVERYONE in the past. He didn't die, he became more. He grew to be empathic, on a level that none of us could understand. He grew so much beyond what we can conceived, that, to any normal person looking at him, he would appear "possessed" by something entirely different. And in a way he is. But he is still there. Think about it, if he has all the memories and IS all the memories of everyone from this point, and before.....then all of his memories are there as well. And this is still part of the life that he is experiencing. Brandon is very much alive (though easier for others, if he just said that Bran is dead). For anyone who is married, did your pre-marriage self die? I mean, in a way, yeah.
The person that he used to be died, that's what people mean when they say "Bran died in that cave", he isn't the same person anymore because of his new abilities, hes seen/seeing and feels too much to be the same. Even if parts of him are still in there, it's unlikely that he'll ever be that person again. The Bran his family and friends knew is gone, hence the term "death" being used. Bran didn't mature into what he is now he had to take this position way before he was ready and way too fast, he is more likely to be emotionless because he feels too many emotions at the same time which often leads to numbness.
The dagger was not a catspaw, neither was it's name "catspaw". The term "cat's-paw" refers to a stooge or dupe who is used by an unwitting person in the background.
"Why would a cut throat have a Valryan Steel Dagger?" Precisely. Something the author of the books tried to pull on his newbie audience in just the 2nd episode of the show. Today we realize how far fetched it was. You see, it's one thing to pull the wool over our eyes, the viewers of the show, when we had no clue what the GOT world was. It's another, in making the wisest noble men of Winterfell (Ned, Maester Lewin & Ser Roidrick, Master of Arms), seem like simpletons, who were just born yesterday, like the viewers of the show. Valryan Steel weapons, the few that are known left, are such rare fine weapons. Why would Ned, Maester Lewin & Ser Rodrick buy Little Finger's story, that Tyrion might of lent out the Dagger to a cut throat to do the deed on Bran, leaving a crumb trail to himself, when any weapon could have done the job on Bran and be discreet about things? And they say that D&D did some bad writing. To me, the introduction of the Valaryan Steel Dagger is the worst piece of writing in the entire series. George couldn't make up his mind that if the weapon was a common one or of royalty. I couldn't help but think that D&D put that dialog here in the show, to give a shot at George for leaving hundreds of GOT employees in the lurch for not finishing the next book in time, leaving them all in limbo. Arya, a girl of maybe 17 years of age, makes the assessment that the highest lords with a couple hundred years of Westoros experience couldn't make out for themselves.
It always mystifies me a little when people get all shocked and horrified at a bunch of soldiers being charbroiled in their armor. 30 seconds ago you were laughing and cheering as a dragon flew into a battle. A dragon flying into a battle *IS* a bunch of people burning alive. They're the same thing. Why cheer once and recoil the other?
I found the Stark sisters reunion in Winterfell quite underwhelming in this episode. You know it will be a hundred times more meaningful and satisfying if and when GRRM writes it in either TWOW or ADOS. This is the second reaction I've watched since the end of season 5. I was blown away when this episode came out but the last 2 series of the show get more disappointing with each rewatch.
I never understood the whole being so scared of the Dothraki. Against a proper army (that wasn't massively outnumbered) they would get absolutely farmed. You can only get so far by yolo'ing against a properly trained, equipped, led, professional army. All the Dothraki are is dudes on horses... zero armor or tactics, they just run straight at you and see what happens. The Lanister army is just shite; they are poorly trained, poorly led and would have been trounced even without Daenarys cheating by bringing a dragon. The Dothraki, and how people react to them, always annoyed me. They are as bad as any of the factions in Westeros and yet, because Danny uses them, everyone is all "yay!".
Also the Stark family is a big family in this universe so how come there's so few of them. You only have Benjen and Ned with his kids. Shouldn't there he hundreds of Starks running around???
@@DukeJimbob that’s a really good question and as a nbr don’t know a definitive answer… there probably is others (eg like the Blackfish Tully) floating about but as second sons never inherited lands and titles so 🤷♂️
The sword fight like every battle past season 4 is unanimously analyzed by historians tacticians and trained expert and said to be laughably unrealistic to the worst depictions. The battles we'll are another story but make Jon look bad even though it's the show runners writing This well they say there's no way areas sword would not be destroyed even sparring but the deflecting is nonsense. S1s fight with the wooden sword was more realistic and and the first sword of bravos wouldn't have faired well against a armored knight with areas sword either
I consider myself a fairly mature individual, but I always laugh when Bronn reacts to how Dickon says his name. Thanks for laughing with me girls😅
It was actually Hot Pie that told Arya. He said Jon Snow had an army of wildlings that came down from the north and won the Battle of the bastards and the Bolton's had lost Winterfell.
Note the contradictory representations: In this episode, Missandei says, "She's not our queen because she's the daughter of some king we never knew. She is the queen we chose."
But just an episode or two ago, Dany said to Jon, "I was born to rule the Seven Kingdoms, and I will."
Even here, there is already a tension between the vision and the reality...
This episode set the record for most stunt people on fire at the same time.
Perfect start to my weekend, as always. Love you ladies!
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Jon was drawing these pictures really quick
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@@kidgforce1 They do look freshly drawn. Not dusty at all. 😂
@@joenobody5631 "Quick, Davos... Hide the chalk!" - Jon, probably.
@@MFBloosh "Davos, how stable are you on your feet? I need to stand on your shoulders!"
Love how Robert’s worst nightmare was realized.
A couple of points:
It wasn't the Lannister soldiers who told Arya about Winterfell being back in the hands of her family (that encounter only provided a human "normal guys" face to a previously generic "enemy") it was Hot Pie who told her about Jon and the Battle of the Bastards.
The character of Arya was left handed... Maisie Williams learned to handle a sword left handed to be true to the role.
Also edd was in that battle at the end, a prossy mentioned it later
The image of Jaime Lannister sinking felt like a parallel of Brandon Stark falling. Might just be coincidental.
Oh!! That’s really cool!
Fun fact. The actress who plays Arya Stark is actually right handed. She learned her sword work left handed because her character is left handed in the book. She was told it wasn't necessary, but she wanted to stay true to her character.
Spectacular episode…seeing something they have talked about since the start of the series….and it didn’t disappoint
Arya arrives in Winterfell... Now the next fun begins... 😜
23:24 Arya's actress, Maise Williams, is right-handed. She has trained specifically for her scenes so that she can wield a weapon with her left hand.
So cool. Didn’t know that. Was it important that Arya be left-handed in the books? (My daughter and husband are both ambidextrous - I’m so jealous!)
10 episodes away from finishing the show! :S But good news is... We will get you to react to House of the Dragon! And it will be a rewatch for Stefani. You get a lot of things from rewatching. Im excited!
Yeah!!! I definitely haven’t watched HOTD like I have GOT!
“A Targaryen at the HEAD of a dothraki army!?!?” - Robert Baratheon
And boy do we all hear the actors voice when reading that.😁
@ Made everyone think they were worried about Viserys when the whole time it’s his little sister 😭
Yes Stefani this show has the world record for most stunt performers set on fire
After the conversation in Winterfell about "How are we going to feed everyone?", watching Dany burn an entire wagon train of freshly harvested crops will never not seem stupid to me. Amazing spectacle, though. This episode was visually incredible.
This!
I actually loved the detail, because Dany has no concept of a Westeros winter and from her experience in Essos if you need food you just grow it. It’s a horrific act to the people she’s come to rule that she doesn’t understand was almost unforgivable. Much like burning BOTH Tarlys. Her advisors failed her & so did her own instincts unfortunately. Westeros isn’t Essos. Love Dany but this clash was inevitable and now we’ll probably never get the book resolution either. *sigh*
@@kristinawrites238people still need to eat in Essos, growing stuff takes time, so it really makes no sense. Looks cool on screen tho (tagline for the last seasons)🎉
The actor playing Dickon Stark in this season, also plays Billy Bones in Black Sails - another great show worth reacting too.
And for OGs, Percival in Merlin from the BBC.
Dickon Tarly*
@jonjames1986 oh yeah - they were talking about the starks when I was typing it.
From Jamies POV he killed the mad king to stop him burning them all and now years later his daughter shows up and burns them all
There is a YT clip from season 1 called war stories where King Robert, Barriston Selmy and Jamie Lannister are exchanging stories of their 1st kill and Robert remembers being on the battlefield while some "highborn idiot" charged at him across the battlefield trying to end the rebellion but got smashed by Roberts hammer and that almost perfectly described Jamies charge at Dany.
Robert also tells us how the songs dont tell us about people shitting themselves when they die, which is another thing repeated in this episode by Bronn
Jamie, again, proves himself a self-sacrificial hero
Jamie already lost the moral high ground after Cersei used the wildfire and Jamie did nothing like a simp
Theon was still partially responsible for the death of Rickon. If Theon hadnt betrayed Rob and attacked Winterfell, then Bran and Rickon would never have had to flee the castle, which led to Rickon seeking shelter with the Umbers, who handed him over to Ramsay Bolton.
Loved that Ashley noticed that Arya was left handed. Maisie Williams learn that about Arya and learn all her choreography with her left hand because she knew that fact about her. Pretty awesome and shows Maisie Williams talent and dedication to her craft.
In the scene where Arya is confronted by the guards, the guard on the right is a real Hellraiser. He’s a master of puppets as well.
Well, stranger things have happened.
So........we’re thinking he’s a distant relative of the leader of the Hellfire Club who hopes to graduate finally?
If you've watched Season 4 of Stranger Things, one of the guards at Winterfell who talks with Arya is played by Joseph Quinn, the same actor who plays Eddie Munson.
Lindsey, I can highly appreciate your growth through all of this. Concerning the horse, you said that you were thinking, go for the horse. War is difficult, even for a well seasoned (insane) warrior. They know what needs to be done......that never makes it easy it MIGHT become easier to PROCESS what needs be done, but the reality of it is never easy. You knew, "go for the horse", and you delivered that knowledge, with a feeling of regret, yet still knowing and realizing what needs be. I can appreciate that.
I meant to say "a well seasoned (same) warrior...."
The insane warrior has no cares, and gives zero shits
Jon's charisma seems to increase when inside a cave...
That scene where Jamie is charging Dany with the spear draws parallels with the scene with Robert in the first season, talking about the one dumb kid charging at him thinking he could end the war right there.
He’s a bit of a cave man 😝
9:52 I like that Bran probably meant Aegon and the prophecy.
Someone mentioned that Maisie trained to play Arya left-handed and there's an extra detail to it: Early on she showed up to a scene involving some sword play and they had setup the blocking for Maisie (right-handed) and she rebuked them, that she was going to do it properly (left-handed).
Also, that knife flip that she does in the fight with Brienne was absolutely real and fucking cool as hell. There is a behind the scenes video the two of them practising that fight (Arya-Brienne showdown behind the scenes), and you can see Maisie do that exact move perfectly. It's not long, so not worth a separate reaction but maybe something to add in somewhere.
I loved Dany asking for Jon’s advice and I especially loved Jon telling her that if she used her dragons to melt castles and burn cities then she’s not different, she’s just more of the same type of psychos that’s been ruling Westeros for decades.
4:18 Hotpie told Arya about the Boltons, not the Lannister soldiers. How could you forget the pie transition scene from the greyscale, lol.
I still love watching jamie sink into the darkest depths of the 6 inches of water on the shoreline.
Chill man, they needed a way to wrap up the episode and leave us on a cliffhanger. 😂
it was a good 12 inches at least :)
@@MFBloosh I am perfectly chill...where does it say I am upset or angry?
It is what it is.
Totally normal I stepped in a puddle today nearly drown not realizing the puddle was 15 feet deep
21:45 Jon has such a talent for speaking for 5 minutes without saying anything
In the books Arya is left handed. Maisie Williams is right handed and trained left handed. This amazes me….. enjoying the reaction!
That’s so crazy, I could never!!
Episode 4 is a good example of what changed with GoT and why so many were critical of its ending. In the first five seasons the show was working from published books and George RR Martin was the writer. The issue in the first five seasons was not how to tell the story, but what to leave out of the story. The story was so rich in detail, in people, in plot it forced a slow pace in the storytelling. After season five the show runners have to write their own story and they either can’t write with the same detail and pacing or they aren’t patient enough to write with the same detail and pacing. Instead they offer the viewer spectacle. The spectacle of Drogon burning the Lannister army. The spectacle of Arya the assassin. But don’t ask how Dany ferried the Dothraki and their horses to Westeros without being seen or having the Lannister army alerted - or where they landed all those boats. Don’t ask where Arya got enough poison to kill off an entire House. And don’t expect to see any of these scenes. The writers either can’t write them or don’t have the patience for it, rushing the story along at breakneck speed. Instead they give the viewers lots of very satisfying spectacle, but spectacle nonetheless and a lot of it needlessly contrived, which weakens the internal logic and world-building that made the first five seasons so compelling. Here’s one non-spoiler “spoiler” as an example: it’s nearly 1500 miles from Winterfell to King’s Landing - roughly the same from The Wall to Dragonstone, perhaps a little less in a straight line. How long does it take to march that distance? On horseback? By raven? But don’t think too long. And don’t ask too many questions. The show runners have no answers. And that’s why so many viewers were left disappointed. It wasn’t the way the story ended; it was the way the show ended.
Agreed. The showrunners either didn't have the ability to craft the story the way Martin did, or they tried to speed things along because they had other projects waiting (like the ill-fated Star Wars movies they were promised). It's a real shame, because HBO offered D&D more seasons, but they declined. What could have been...
Cry a river, the show was still one of the best shows ever.
@@ChazBrown22 Absolutely, but the criticisms it receives are still valid.
@@Number0neSonoh for sure even I have my issues with it but nonetheless I still think it was great. IMO
Only an Idiot will come up with such whinge. The only problem of the show is they rushed off as Lucasfilm wanted them for Star Wars. It would've been better for it to be flushed out, but the questions you have are pretty easy to answer. And if you don't know them , then you are a rtrd.
Robert Baratheon: Only a fool faces The Dothraki in an open field.
7 seasons later and the dood was proven right.
Edit: Even the horses did not fear the fire; they ran through it! Dany and her Dothraki were terrifying! Talk about an epic rebuttal to the losses of Houses Tyrell and Martell; Dany literally left scorched Earth for her opposition.
in his defense the dragon made the difference most likely. too bad all the food was burnt the army could have used it.
@@Hobodeluxe007 I think Dany was too pissed off to think about that XD
Bran's "Chaos is a ladder" comment definitely stunned Littlefinger... we've never seen a look of concern like that on his face before.
@@bill.godwin-austen yeah right by this point in story scheming and politicking was meaning less and less and dragons and magic took over.
Varys and little finger masters of the game were getting ineffective
20:12 Isn't their survival more important than your pride?
I love how Dany is repeating Jon's words to Mance Ryder
And Jon misunderstood Mance's reasons just as Dany misunderstands Jon's.
And the words Tormund spoke to Jon beyond the wall...
The other call back was Robert Baratheon talking with Jaime & Ser Barristan talking about a boy he killed during the rebellion. ‘He came charging at me, this stupid highborn lad, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single swing of his sword.’ Plus Jaime’s burn them all trauma.
Yes, she resisted the urge to kill 1/2 a million people by going and burning a few thousand and a year or two’s worth of food. The POV shift from Dany high above her enemies to being on the ground, after meeting those regular Lannister soldier on the road with Arya, is very deliberate. They’re reminding you they aren’t faceless rent-a-soldiers, they have lives, personalities & few choices to avoid being in that armour. War is ugly & hurts the average person disproportionately is something GRRM tries to drive home. That much D&D got right, don’t ask my opinions on everything they didn’t 🤦♀️
lol the Lannister army are pigs and deserved everything they get
The closest comparison from TV or movies that I can think of for Bran is Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen. He was a normal dude who had a nuclear experiment go wrong, and became all powerful and all knowing afterwards. This pretty much caused him to cease caring for the people who were closest to him. He became cold and also easily distracted with his work, or his "purpose" if you will.
Closest comparison to Bran to me is watching grass grow. The dude is a snooze fest
August 7th, 2017, a record was broken for most actors on fire for a scene...
Benioff told Entertainment Weekly, "In one battle scene we set more stuntmen on fire than have ever been simultaneously set on fire. Our stunt coordinator really wanted to get in the Guinness Book of World Records for this."
According to the show's stunt co-ordinator, Rowley Irlam, the sequence "has 73 fire burns." According to Irlam, "No film or TV show has ever done that in a whole show, let alone in one sequence. We also set 20 people on fire at one time, which is also a record."
As to whether or not this has been broken, I can't say, I haven't been able to Google the correct sequence of words to get the search.......I don't go past the first three, otherwise I would waste entire weeks clicking on links
Pretty sure the previous record was also set by Game Of Thrones in 5x9 at the fighting pits with over 20 people. GoT had a habit of breaking it's own records constantly lol.
Good Ole Bobby B (Robert Baratheon) in S1
"If she has a son..... a Targaryen at the head of a Dothraki Army!"
Well she did have a son.... Drogon.
Amusing fact: The word Bran is Welsh for Raven
Jamie may have questionable morals but he has consistently been honorable. It seemed strange to me that his brother would even think he would flee. The surprising actions are that Bronn didn’t when he clearly holds self preservation above honor or friendship.
This episode actually deserved one big character death (maybe not Jamie but atleast bronn) but plot armor was so strong that from Drogon to Dickon everybody was alive by the end of the episode.
Yeah if it was still JRRM's GoT Bronn should have died somewhere between S7 and S8. Maybe here facing Drogon, 'mano a dragono', an epic honorable death for a lowborn cutthroat.
But it wasn't no more, since S6 it was D&D's GoT and Bronn was a fan favorite so ... plot armor was strong with this one.
They packed alot into that 45 minute episode!!
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I like to say she is "crooked as a dogs hind leg." That fight scene is one of the most memorable. I love when the Dothraki jump up on their horses back and fire arrows. The best part is, you don't know who to root for. You don't want Drogon or Dani to be injured, but you also don't want Bron or Jamie to be killed. As far as how many people were set on fire, I know at the time it was the most. I don't know if the sowing of the seeds in HOTD surpassed it. They burned a bunch of folks there too. I don't know that they had a lot of other materials available that wood and iron for the scorpions. It has to be able to be pulled by horses for a long distance. I always wondered how Jamie survived jumping into water with armor on. That seemed a bit sketch to me.
I can watch the sword training scene with Arya and Brienne over and over. Hard core - different strengths and mutual admiration.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
Farewell Meera, you were a real one, and you're exiting the show alive, that's more than many could have hoped for even though I wished you had more to do these final seasons.
Also "crooked as a question mark". Hahahaha. ^^
I don't know why, but I immediately thought 'a gay man is straighter'. 😂
Stefani never got emotional, I feel like she watched before is friends
16:15 YES, ASHLEY! Such weirdness is good lol
As crooked as a question mark
I like it
I'm gonna start using that
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Yeah Daenerys was so angry that she teleported herself and thousands of dothrakis in front of the lannister army. You can really tell magic has returned to Westeros.
It was actually Hot Pie who let Arya know that the Boltons no longer have Winterfell and Jon is King in the North. Minor detail really, but I love Hot Pie so wanted to give him his last moment lol
The Lannister boys were by The Twins after the Freys were all massacred.
I DON'T CARE what anyone says! Bran being this way is fine and his story is super interesting. Imagine trying to store the World's knowledge into one person. It's crazy. He's been on the run since he was 10? It's insane to think he'd be normal.
@@TheWindcrow Lol cope harder
@@DavidCarradinesBelt enjoying a story isn't coping. Giving King to Jon Snow is overkill. Giving King to Tyrion fells underwhelming. Who would you give King to?
Arya's fight/training scene ❤
Yup, definitely in my GoT top 5
31:55 "I don't know how they think their stupid little slingshot things are gonna work". Yeah....about that....
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At the end of the episode I had a big question about Jamie. Was he intentionally going on a suicide mission by charging the dragon? It appears that he was but why? And why don't reactors ever talk about this? How does he get out of the lake with that heavy armor?
His intentions were very clear that's why most people don't feel the need to discuss it any further. He thought it had a chance at ending the war and took it, even though it was reckless (which is on brand for Jaime, that was even established the very first time we saw him season 1 ep 1)
I'm sure Bron saved Jamie even though the water should've only been about 3 feet deep there
"YES! fire, fire, fire fire, fire, yeah ha ha, fire fire!" - Beavis Bran is NOT human so don't expect human emotion. Simple.
Drogon almost died, that arow could have gotten him at the heart or the throat , Bronn's competence can be scary when directed against characters we root for 😧
What an episode quote of the season from the girls excited for insence this show changes you😂
one of my fav episodes. great reactions. you should show the girls the "game of phones" videos from I think it was Jimmy Kimmel show where the cast was doing phone support for GOT questions from fans. Funny stuff. Short videos would be great for bonus content. think there's 2 of them.
A lot of the late show skits are being blocked by RUclips 😭
@@MugShotzReacts oh you can't post them? or is it geoblocked because you are in Canada?
i have never understood being team Dany while (and after) seeing this. HORROR. absolute horror. She’s brought nuclear weapons to a sword fight! Jamie and Bronn are freaking heroes, trying to end that!
People don't understand that after Casserly Rock, the Unsullied and Dothraki left and sailed for Highgarden. That is why they were there There was no big "jump" Danny could get there quickly on dragonback and she did.......to meet up with her army that was almost there. I hope that clears things up for some. I hear it all the time, they just jumped from one place to another instantly. No, they did not, Tyrion and the rest, yeah, they should not have been able to get there.
Awesome to wake up to this! Everyone’s changed INCLUDING Sansa. Braun is one of the best characters on this show.
The gold was already well on its way to Kings Landing. All Dany accomplished was destroying tons of food that the poor starving people of Westeros needed.
Yeah that didn’t make any sense. Her army needs that food badly (not much to eat on Dragonstone but fish). And if she gave some of the harvest back to the farmers of the Reach she’d win some hearts and minds
"Which lady stark" Makes absolutely no sense at all. Arya knows they don't mean her mother, cus she knows her mother is dead. And she knows they don't mean Arya, cus...um...she knows she's Arya. She's clearly been drinking too much ale and blackberry wine.
22:19 is my favorite scene throughout the entire series!
wait it wasn't the Lannesters that told arya. It was Hot Pie.
Oh that’s right! The Lannister soldiers told her Cersei blew up the Sept
@@MugShotzReacts I thought the Lannister soldiers told Arya that they were there to keep the peace because someone killed all of the Frey’s.
Did anyone not recognise Eddie Munson from Stranger Things as one of the Winterfell guards who wouldn’t let Arya in
What makes this good is the Arya Brianne scene Arya already landed what would have been 5 kill shots irl which pissed off Brianne then Arya proceeds to land even more possible kill shots before they come to a draw Arya could've killed her 10 times which makes this scene even better
Why did Dani destroy the supply carts? Her army needs food as much as the Lannister army. There’s no farms on Dragonstone so they’re probably feeding her army food they brought from Essos (which would run out fast) and fish (the only food around dragonstone). She could also have returned some of the food to the farmers of the Reach (who Bron took it from) so they don’t starve before the next harvest. That would win her some goodwill From the most populous part of Westeros. Destroying the food carts was just stupid and wasteful
Yessss Queeen her we go.🐲👸🏼
can u guys start posting often u guys r killing us
Eddie Munson!!!! (One of the guards who wouldn't like Arya in the keep)
"We can hold them off" followed by Jaime's stunned look at hearing a dragon for the first time is gonna go down as one of the best moments of television history.
Each time I see the scene at 29:52 - 30:07 I get more and more pissed off that the show dropped in quality in the last 4 seasons. Because this scene is so epic I get chills, every damn time, but it's completely meaningless, the writers made it meaningless. It has no depth to it, the entire fight is short and incredibly sudden. Fights in the first 4 seasons were built so well, through multiple episodes/seasons.
A counter argument though, is that a dragon makes a fight end a lot quicker!
Bron is the man
sorry i don't remember who is Lindsay or Ashley, but grey beanie lady picked up on Sansa's weird reaction to Arya Brienne sparring in front of Baelish...
just remember it for the post season 7 finale discussion. 🤫🤐
I've got nuttin to say...buy i'm doing all the things.
Buenas Noches Amigas, Yes, five cups for this magnificent episode, The moment of Brieene and Podrick seeing the Stark children is to cry, the one who saved Jaime from Fire was Bron, in my opinion, if I were Littlefinger, if I heard about Chaos is a ladder, I would come buzzing out of Winterfel ♥❄&🔥´♬
the arya brienne training is my favorite fight scene in the show and its not even a real fight
Brienne and Hound was good too
The only problem I had with the Arya vs Brienne sparring match is Arya wasn’t taught sword or knife fighting (at least not on camera) in Bravos. She didn’t even have her blade with her. She did all her sparring with staves or unarmed in Bravos. So while she’d have fast reactions and be able to dodge attacks it wouldn’t make her an expert with blades.
@@andrewward5891 sparring with staves is just training for blades, and she also had a swordmaster as a kid in s1 who taught her a lot in the short time he lasted
@@andrewward5891 also its not like she knows everything hence wanting to train with Brienne
Lindsey calls it out with Daenerys’ attack on the Lannisters at High Garden…. “You can’t pay your debts now.” Yup. All talk about gold to repay the Iron Bank, with Cersei’s belief that investment for future war would then be funded by the Iron Bank. Important point you didn’t talk about in your post reflections. What happens when a Lannister can’t repay their debts? 🤔
oh they are gonna lose it when the dragons start dying
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22:40 Did Brienne say "Master of Arms" when it should be "Master at Arms"?
Arya is older than Bran, not much older, though.😊
Yes! Bran’s actor just got so grown up so fast 🥹
Id like to see pod and Brienne end up as a couple. They deserve each other
😂 that would be an odd pairing, I see them as good friends
I don't think Brandon died in the cave......I think it is easier for people, to think, that he died in that cave. He grew in that cave. Did the 2 year old you die, how about the 4-5-6 year old you, did that you die when you went to kindergarten? He grew, and matured well beyond a regular human.
The older a person gets, the less emotionally reactive that person becomes. Not because a part of them has died....and certainly NOT because they no longer feel the emotions. Rather, because they have learned to process the emotions far better. Seeing a rose for the first time, and how beautiful it is.......seeing it for the one millionth time, is it any less beautiful? No, you can just process the experience easier and faster.
Brandon, has emotions and life experiences from EVERYONE in the past. He didn't die, he became more. He grew to be empathic, on a level that none of us could understand. He grew so much beyond what we can conceived, that, to any normal person looking at him, he would appear "possessed" by something entirely different. And in a way he is. But he is still there.
Think about it, if he has all the memories and IS all the memories of everyone from this point, and before.....then all of his memories are there as well. And this is still part of the life that he is experiencing. Brandon is very much alive (though easier for others, if he just said that Bran is dead). For anyone who is married, did your pre-marriage self die? I mean, in a way, yeah.
He metaphorically died; his old self and it was a deeply dramatic change.
Yeah, grew into something NOT human. Brandon is GONE.
The person that he used to be died, that's what people mean when they say "Bran died in that cave", he isn't the same person anymore because of his new abilities, hes seen/seeing and feels too much to be the same. Even if parts of him are still in there, it's unlikely that he'll ever be that person again. The Bran his family and friends knew is gone, hence the term "death" being used. Bran didn't mature into what he is now he had to take this position way before he was ready and way too fast, he is more likely to be emotionless because he feels too many emotions at the same time which often leads to numbness.
21:00 Daenerys the mad poking out of her shell?
No-no. The statue of Ned doesn't look like him... It's got a head.
Well that’s just horrible 😭
Booooooo
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(About catspaw) Steph: Forgot that it was Valerian Steel.
I see that nod and grin on your face Steph!!!
The dagger was not a catspaw, neither was it's name "catspaw". The term "cat's-paw" refers to a stooge or dupe who is used by an unwitting person in the background.
"Why would a cut throat have a Valryan Steel Dagger?" Precisely. Something the author of the books tried to pull on his newbie audience in just the 2nd episode of the show. Today we realize how far fetched it was. You see, it's one thing to pull the wool over our eyes, the viewers of the show, when we had no clue what the GOT world was. It's another, in making the wisest noble men of Winterfell (Ned, Maester Lewin & Ser Roidrick, Master of Arms), seem like simpletons, who were just born yesterday, like the viewers of the show. Valryan Steel weapons, the few that are known left, are such rare fine weapons. Why would Ned, Maester Lewin & Ser Rodrick buy Little Finger's story, that Tyrion might of lent out the Dagger to a cut throat to do the deed on Bran, leaving a crumb trail to himself, when any weapon could have done the job on Bran and be discreet about things? And they say that D&D did some bad writing. To me, the introduction of the Valaryan Steel Dagger is the worst piece of writing in the entire series. George couldn't make up his mind that if the weapon was a common one or of royalty. I couldn't help but think that D&D put that dialog here in the show, to give a shot at George for leaving hundreds of GOT employees in the lurch for not finishing the next book in time, leaving them all in limbo. Arya, a girl of maybe 17 years of age, makes the assessment that the highest lords with a couple hundred years of Westoros experience couldn't make out for themselves.
imo the last good episode, and its pretty epic
The final goodish episode of the show.
It always mystifies me a little when people get all shocked and horrified at a bunch of soldiers being charbroiled in their armor. 30 seconds ago you were laughing and cheering as a dragon flew into a battle. A dragon flying into a battle *IS* a bunch of people burning alive. They're the same thing. Why cheer once and recoil the other?
I was going to suggest just to stop watching after episode 3, but I guess it's too late now lol
I found the Stark sisters reunion in Winterfell quite underwhelming in this episode. You know it will be a hundred times more meaningful and satisfying if and when GRRM writes it in either TWOW or ADOS. This is the second reaction I've watched since the end of season 5. I was blown away when this episode came out but the last 2 series of the show get more disappointing with each rewatch.
I never understood the whole being so scared of the Dothraki. Against a proper army (that wasn't massively outnumbered) they would get absolutely farmed. You can only get so far by yolo'ing against a properly trained, equipped, led, professional army. All the Dothraki are is dudes on horses... zero armor or tactics, they just run straight at you and see what happens. The Lanister army is just shite; they are poorly trained, poorly led and would have been trounced even without Daenarys cheating by bringing a dragon. The Dothraki, and how people react to them, always annoyed me. They are as bad as any of the factions in Westeros and yet, because Danny uses them, everyone is all "yay!".
Arya: “Which lady Stark?”….. one of many dumb dumb lines showing how disinterested the writers were becoming lol
Ya that one doesn’t really make much sense.. who else?
Also the Stark family is a big family in this universe so how come there's so few of them. You only have Benjen and Ned with his kids. Shouldn't there he hundreds of Starks running around???
@@DukeJimbob that’s a really good question and as a nbr don’t know a definitive answer… there probably is others (eg like the Blackfish Tully) floating about but as second sons never inherited lands and titles so 🤷♂️
Love this battle
The sword fight like every battle past season 4 is unanimously analyzed by historians tacticians and trained expert and said to be laughably unrealistic to the worst depictions. The battles we'll are another story but make Jon look bad even though it's the show runners writing
This well they say there's no way areas sword would not be destroyed even sparring but the deflecting is nonsense. S1s fight with the wooden sword was more realistic and and the first sword of bravos wouldn't have faired well against a armored knight with areas sword either
I can understand how that can be hard to watch for people who know what to look for!
It's a show with dragons and undead people, most watchers do not care about it being a realistic depiction of a sword fight.