2023 Civic Type R | Higher Octane & More Data | Hondata
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2022
- We brought our 2023 Civic Type R back to the dyno but this time we added higher octane. We also gathered more data that many of you were asking us for. Thank you all for your feedback and stay tuned!
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Love the content, can't wait until you post more on this new fl5 platform. I have one so I'm tuned in. Also on that last dyno, it showed 374 torque! That's pretty wicked for being stock.
Yes more content is coming Stay tuned. Thank you.
Great data! Keep the information coming! Thanks 🍻
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Staying tuned
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I have an FK8 I have a hunch that this newer type R’s minor increase in power is simply the result of more boost.
turbo is diff
Thank you for watching our videos, but yes the FK8 and FL5 have different turbos so that could be the reason for more power.
Look at that amazing $75,000 civic!
Yep, no thanks. In that price range that's not getting one look.
Honda Japan only sells FL5 for $35Gs msrp
@@mushy18100 Yeah, because they are not corrupt, greedy pigs like the West.. Japan is far from perfect and has its problems, but at the very least, their society still has a glimmer of morality and pride.
Trash 🗑 I will keep my SI COUPE 2015 all day
So, what? People who can afford it are happy with it.
The limit is 100 octanes RON fuel ( with standard ECU ). If you want to win power with 102 octanes ron fuel, for example, then you must change some parameters of the ECU or put on a different ECU.
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Great video. Appreciate all the content and work you guys do. Keep it up!
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@@HondataInc Are these numbers to the wheels or to the crank / fly?
Thanks for testing Doug
Looking forward to seeing this FL5 tuned on e50 vs FK8 e50
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E50 ?
@@gokhansemin5547 ethanol blend - e50/91 pump. - fuel system cant really support e85 plus most of the benefits happen around e50-e60
@@TheFK8Life bro i mean we can not run e50 with fk8. The HPFP can not hold over e30
@@gokhansemin5547 lol Im running e55 making 566whp@7600rpm on 2000cc injectors with Hondata
e50 is possible on stock turbo and makes around 450whp or so
The FL5 turbo is a little different so I want to see if it can flow more than the FK8 turbo at full tilt
The "93 octane" appears to help with timing corrections since the torque curve is smoother.
Maybe there are also IAT compensations that are limiting ignition advance?
Stayed tuned for more content coming soon with our FL5.
I found a place in Central Wisconsin that thankfully sells 110 Octane here in Central Wisconsin where 91 is pretty much the highest across the state. Hate it. So I'm gonna run half tank of 110 and 91. As my 04' Passat 1.8T Sleeper Wagon takes minimum 91.
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Track day in my C7 Grand Sport and 2022 Civic Type R catches me. Let him pass and I tried chasing….He kept pulling away even in the short straights.
The new Type R preforms well at the track, Thank you for watching and your comment.
Doesn´t the FL5 haven´t a hard rev limiter anymore?
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Nice video
Thanks for watching
So the FL5 in asian and european countries are rated at 93 octain and their car is advertised 10 more HP than in North American’s FL5. If adding higher octane doesn’t boost HP in North American FL5, does that mean it needs to be tuned to handle 93 octane? If so, can we simply flash the european/asian cars FL5 tune to north american FL5, given that 93 octane is available?
What’s going on with that focus st in the back 👀
Not sure. Thank you for watching.
Any difference with engine cooling when on the dyno compared to the fk8 ? 😊
The dyno test procedure for the FK8 and FL5 are identical and have been for 20 years. However to read a little into your reply, yes the FK8 cooling for racetrack use was not adequate. The FL5 front seems to funnel more air to the radiator. Cooling temps under a sustained high load were not tested on the dyno.
the biggest change is, that FK8 is running hot after few minutes and down to 280 HP +/-
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I think the only reason the fk8 is faster in a straight line is because of thinner tires and less functional aero.
Hondata, what do you think is the biggest improvement from the new car and why did you buy it?
Can’t wait to see more on this fl5!
We think the handling of the FL5 is better stock vs stock. More content coming soon with the FL5 Stay tuned.
The FK8 also weighs about 100lbs less.
So these hp/tq numbers are to the wheels right?
Its a hub dyno so technically its to the hubs. Thank you for watching our video
@@HondataInc How different is this to wheel horsepower? Because I have not seen any of the dynos of the stock fl5 pushing 327 to the wheels, the ones I have seen show like low 300's to high 200's.
Love the data hondata lol
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Nice video. One aspect I don't really understand. The top design engineer for this car has apparently spent many years making minor adjustments to get the most out of the engine/gearbox/ecu etc for optimum performance. How can Hondata come along and I'm guessing will improve the performance by another 20%~..... doesn't really make sense
because a manufacturer has to make something they can warranty and they keep some stuff safe and efficient for emission standards and fuel efficiency.
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Is that Church Auto? Looks familiar.
Yes we used the dyno at church automotive. thank you for watching.
Is it okay to call it a 2023 Civic Type R or must I call it a FL5?
You can call it a Type R thats what is it. FL5 is referring to the chassis code from honda. Thanks for watching.
the more I see the fl5 the more I want one, but I refuse to pay more than sticker.
We love our FL5 and its a great car, but with that said there are markups from what we have seen on all of them.
In Europe we Use 98 Octans fuel and we get 326 hP....in stock
Thats awesome you can get that octane in Europe. We wish we could. Thanks for watching our videos please subscribe for more content.
You get 98 Ron which is not octane - Google the difference.
We get e85 at the pump which is 105 octane
Looks amazing
It is we love our FL5 Type R. Thanks for watching.
Standard in Deutschland sind mindestens 95, erlaubt wäre sogar 95 e10. Das wäre interessant, was macht der Motor bei 95e10, 95e5, 98, 102,104 ? Wo hat das schon jemand getestet
Dahtah!
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The more i watch FL5 videos the more I love my 21 BB FK8 lol.
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I am looking at the power output from the stock FL5 335hp from a 2.0T 4cyl. Thats brilliant work. But then I look across and I see the same company with 3.0T V6 that only makes 355hp. What on earth is Honda doing? That TLX could have comfortably made 400hp from the factory.
Honda sucks since the end of the s2k. everything they've done since has been an absolute failure as far as performance goes. real shame. this is coming from a die hard Honda guy.
0 point on FWD car... you need AWD like Golf R or AMG A45S, grip is problem.. you can have 1000 HP when you cannot get on the track
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honda seems to keep traditions going. like all si have a sun roof all ctr are front wheel drive hatch. an awd option would be awesome though
340whp with 93octane gas??
Doug mentioned that they use this Dyno for reference. Not all dynos will read the same for a perfect example is the one that Hondata uses reads 317 on a stock Fk8 versus the one at Jsr Engines read 284. That’s something you really want to keep in mind. Also, the new FL5 has two more psi of boost. Until tuning is available we will not know if the FL5 can actually produce more power than the FK8.
340 crank HP
Yes on this dyno it made those numbers. Thank you for watching.
Why does the US insist on having such low octane fuel and Europe has around 95 as standard and 98-99 as super unleaded?
To cut the cost per mile i guess
mileage is better on high-octane , less emissions but too expensive.
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They use another measure for octane, 91 us is 95 in Europe and 93 us is 98 Eu
@@VarioFelce also in Europe we have 100 a 101 octane. Diff power and consumption depends from etanol - 5 or 10%. With 0% etanol is almost hard to find gas anywhere.
So its really got 507Nm of torque? Thats about 20% higher than Honda says
High reading dyno
@@1bojanbojan The scientific way of making a fair comparison is to test on the exact dyno that Honda tests on. We do not have access to that but we have access to thousands of other stock Honda dyno runs. For example we can compare this to a stock FK8 with a similar number of miles accelerating the engine at 500rpm/second to even out the effect of rotational inertia.
@@dougmacmillan7613 that I agree.
That's a fair conversion from lb-ft, but let's look at a torque comparison to the FK8.On that car, which we own, the torque measures 330 lb ft. but more importantly and more accurately is to say is that the FL5 makes 360/330 = 1.09 or 9% more peak torque than the FK8. We have found that all Honda turbo vehicles are under-rated for power and torque.
@@dougmacmillan7613 thank you. Quick question. 2020 SI vs 2022 SI how dose dyno compare?
What is this "DAHTA" you speak off ?? Is it a new feature on the car ?
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Sooo. Throttle House ran the new Type R against last generation Type R back to back and guess which car got pulled on?
The one with the aftermarket tune?
Still waiting for the day that people realize that the Type R isn’t made for drag/roll racing…
Shorter final drive. Swap the FDs of each car and watch the change
@@skapig1
I have no knowledge of the press car having a tune.
@@ZEPRATGERNODT The Press car FL5 most likely did not, but that privately owned FK8 showed some cosmetic mods at a minimum.
I think hondata is making a big mistake on investing in this car because not much people could afford it. Most of their profits is probably out of this country.
There will always be a market in the honda community and people are still buying the FL5s with markups. Thank you for watching our video.
More boost more boost more boost 😇
Thanks for watching. So far we are only comparing the FL5 in stock form.
4 cyl = 75000 🤦 how dumb are we?
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I’ll take the new bmw m2 for that price smh, that data ain’t worth what you paid
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Type R needed DCT gbox
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Why bother for 80K there are better cars that don’t need a tune.
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Ever seen a dog rag his butt across the kitchen floor with his hind legs in the air using his front legs?
that's the Civic
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Pretty disappointing for a $70k car.
Where do you get 70k from? Dealer mark ups are not part of the true price
@@Fk8td I don't know what your definition of "True Price" is but $65k-$70k is what you'll need to pay to get one.
@Pierce Marfil Dont know what fantasy world your living in but there are literally no type R's for MSRP in the real world.
@@CTF33 In other countries they don’t allow mark ups like this. It’s a sham that people do this stuff. I didn’t raise my prices on my products because demand was high.
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Is so sad to see that car so high in price. I paid 36k for my Elantra N and $2,500 under the hood and I’m at 365hp. 😂😂. 60k pluse for a 315hp car is dumbbbb
bring your car to the track and let see who's faster around the track
@@EGK20 that’s the point😂😂 the N is with in a second of it 😂😂😂😂 36k or 60k+ Elantra N is way better of a deal than the type R 😂🤦♂️
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Assuming your transmission doesn’t grenade
@@ScottieDawg333 🤣🤣🤣any trans can do that, any motor can blow up. Stop trying to find excuses just because it’s a Hyundai! 😂😂🤣🤣
Nothing special went to 5 guys
WILL ALL THIS VOID MY WARRANTY
Are you asking if putting your car on the dyno a void your warranty??
You will have to contact your dealership and ask them that question. Thank you.
@@HondataInc yup.. dealership confirmed.. WILL VOID WARRANTY
Great car and power but 65-75 K mark up absolute no from me.
Still a civic .
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BUYER BEWARE:
These are starting to coming back to dealerships (already 3 in my area) with blown turbos (overboost issues) and broken camshafts....in 100% OEM configuration.
*NOT GOOD*
Source : Trust me bro!
@DPJS2K More like the local Honda dealership...where my good friend is a lead mechanic....but keep running your smart-ass mouth. Chump.
@@RICARD01 Source: A friend of a friend. Trust me bro!
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@@DPJS2K that's what I thought.
Love the content, can't wait until you post more on this new fl5 platform. I have one so I'm tuned in. Also on that last dyno, it showed 374 torque! That's pretty wicked for being stock.
So the FL5 in asian and european countries are rated at 93 octain and their car is advertised 10 more HP than in North American’s FL5. If adding higher octane doesn’t boost HP in North American FL5, does that mean it needs to be tuned to handle 93 octane? If so, can we simply flash the european/asian cars FL5 tune to north american FL5, given that 93 octane is available?
93 octane in Europe and USA is not the same. Belive european 93 is close to american 91 and 95 in europe is 93 in the states. In Denmark we also have 100 octane :-D at the pump but no E85 :-(
@@nielsjacobsen5125 I know that. Im talking about American octane. Not RON.
Thank you for watching our video and your feed back. We are not sure about the octane differential over seas vs in the US.
@@HondataIncif you look at asian and european spec, the same car has 10
More hp. They were saying it’s because North American does not have 93 octane (98 RON) readily available. I wanted to know if we can achieve the euro/asia spec hp? What’s the actual difference that makes North American type r loss 10 HP.
I figured if anyone can find out this information, it would be you guys!