DIALED: Episode #32 - JORDI'S ADVANCED SUSPENSION SETUP - Val di Sole WC
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Jordi and Connor take you through an on-trail advanced suspension setup. Building off of episode #15 - JORDI'S BASIC SUSPENSION SETUP ( • DIALED: Episode #15 - ... ), they cover: what makes a good testing location, how bracketing is done, and how to change volume spacers. If you have any questions, let us know in the comments below.
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Hey Jordi, if you are forced to service those shocks against your will, blink three times in next episode!
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You'd think that was the case, neither looked happy about having to make this video, not a smile was cracked during the making of this. The lords name was used in vain once though.
The whole Dialed series is brilliant. I think it's too easy to look at mtb suspension as some form of magic, but really it's both technical and teachable. Thanks for giving us a view into the inner workings of how our bikes work, and what race support looks like.
Thanks so much for the kind words Kueven, this is exactly what we wanted to convey with this series, happy to hear you are enjoying it! 👊
Yep. I appreciate the follow up to an amazing series. Thanks!
always wear your helmet when adjusting suspension . safety first.
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Jordi the type of dude everyone wants to get an “after ride beer” with.
This is one of the very best mountain bike shows going. Just brilliant. Top work guys!
Nicholas Stanfield i totally agree with that! Best explanation ever!
Thank you Nicholas, we took a chance with creating something different with DIALED but comments like this prove viewers and customers like you appreciate this type of content, so happy to hear you are enjoying it, continue to share your thoughts and let us know what you would like covered in future episodes! 👊
I didn’t watch this series religiously until the end of last season. This season started and seems more in depth and polished! Love it !
@@ericsharp5079 We started DIALED in April 2019 at the first World Cup in Maribor.......glad to hear you and so many other are enjoying it!
@@FOXFACTORY I think it' a good mix of geek and fun. Maybe that's why I like it so much...and Jordi, of course.
Awesome video can't wait for the next one.
Super helpful video, looking forward to the next one!
Late to game with this series, but it does mean I can binge watch! These setup videos are amazing, Jordi makes it so simple to understand.
Thanks, looking forward to the next episode!
Great vid and very well explained. Very thought out. Thanks for taking the time to help us all.
Great video guys. Very informative
As the new owner of a Meta AM 29 this is exactly the video I NEEDED to see. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the help Jordi!
This videos are gold👍🏽
Jordi you’re a busy man so thanks so much for taking the time to teach us, it’s very much appreciated! Thank you Fox, I love your products!
That was awesome, it helps so much to actually see the process and hear it at the same time.
My favourite series by far. Great content even outside of WC racing. Hope you have something for us during winter.
I so much f...ing loved it this is the kind of videos that us mechanic geeks like to watch. And on top of that we are pretty much learning from the best !
I have learned a lot from your series keep it up and thank you for sharing it!
Thanks jordi for such a technical video your bracketing on suspension makes a lot of sense 👍keep making videos like this cheers mate
Thanks, guys, for this video ! 😁👍 You're awesome ! ✨
We're glad it helped out!
Good watch... 👍
Great thanks Jordi,very helpful
You're welcome, glad you found it helpful! 👊
Thank you. I will be trying this soon with my Fox 36 Grip 2.
Really good stuff
Good stuff Jordi !
Nice one Jordi!
This is awesome!
Today i took jordi advice video and i did it and what a difference thanks for making this videos you all are the BEST ...😎👍👊🤟
Top advice Jordi. I learnt a lot from that video. And writing settings down is great tip! #dailed
Glad you found it helpful Toby! let us know if there is anything else you'd like us to cover in future episodes. 👊
Jordi you’re videos on suspension are so easy to understand thanks for making this episode hope that there are many more to come 👍👍👍
Thanks for he kind words Theo, that's why we call him the wizard 🧙♂️We definitely have more where this came from, stay tuned! 👊
top video, cheers
Thanks guys for this series !! Thanks Jordi for all your pro advices ! It might be interesting to work with you ! Thanks Connor for the quality of the videos ! And also thanks for all the things you ad on the video such as the location in the beginning !
Why not guys create an app to set up our bike ? with the type of socks and our settings, to make it easier to set from one setting to another ? It's jsut an idea but why not !
Thanks for everything guys ! Cheers to all the team ! Have a good day !
Dude these videos are awesome and actually teach you
thank you for this.
I geeked out :47 seconds into DIALED S2-EP21 when I thought I had caught a glimpse of how the magic really happens!! I cloned my own copy of said magical paper, and thanks to ya'lls content, my tuning has taken my riding to a new level.
Thank you FOX!!
Great vid, thx.
Pretty much the same method when adjusting dirt bike suspension.
Except that if we were having issues getting a good baseline, we would remove the bike's side panels and videotape a troubling section, then rewatch it in slo-mo.
This would help us see how the wheels were reacting to the terrain and that would help determine if and what internal adjustments might be needed.
Just wondering if anyone else has tried videotaping a section?
100%. So easy with any modern smart phone to see what the wheels/suspension/rider are doing through something like a rock garden.
Awesome tutorial
this is the suspension setup video I have been waiting for. so many people just chuck out good setting or how to set sag or rebound but always in the garage. but no one ever shows a good method of testing and adjusting your suspension on the trail to get it right for the rider. amazing thanks, guys. loving the vids as always :D
Thank you for your support! Good to hear the videos are helping you get dialed.
@@FOXFACTORY Yeah following this. and using your guess advice to get me set for every rid/race I do. and the bike always ends up feeling good. which in turn ends up making me feel comfortable and faster
Thanks guys
Thank u... just, thank you
Holy crap I was just suggesting this yesterday in the comments and here the video is today! You guys and gals are the best! I can't think of any other sport I've ever seen where the people at the pinnacle of the sport share such detailed information.
Awesome to hear! We love the suggestions for video topics, keep it up.
@@FOXFACTORY Apologies if this has been covered before. One thing that has puzzled me is how you set high speed and low speed settings independently given that the dials seem to move in unison?
This is great ! I set up my bike today over a set course lap. It made a huge difference and definitely helped me better understand the feeling and effects of Rebound Damping and High and low speed Compression damping. My only suggestion would be to start with Rebound damping - because if it's not right - it's really hard to set anything else up. I also think rebound damping is easier to "feel" for a novice and then it doesn't get in the way of compression damping if you get it right. Thanks again - I am Dialed !!
Thank you so much
Hey can you guys do these Jordi setup vids with Loris? His sound effects and Frenglish make for descriptive and useful info...hahahaha But in all seriousness, it'd be cool to have someone to articulate the change in ride feel (something beyond, "it's good", "it was better before") over sections of trail or types of obstacles after adjustments. Thanks!
For sure, a few people have been asking for us to include some "big dogs" like Loris in future episodes. These guys are busy and focused with the World Cups but we will do our best for you guys! 👊
A video with Loris getting his suspension set would probably last hours 😂
bracketing, such a simple method of finding improvements and its not just applicable to suspension but most things that have some form of adjustments, of the top of my head ive done the same in gaming and screen colour calibrations
so true! 👊
Jordi is the best!
Every time I watch one of your videos I end up ''puzzling'' and I end up usually where I started, but today after seeing how many spacers have you used in shock (Connor is same weight as me) I tried even bigger in my DPX2 0.86 and hell yeah!!! I struggled with fork it was either too harsh on trail or too soft in bigger compressions, couldn't get it quite right. Also rear shock seemed to be bottoming bit more than fork. I guess more support on back brings more weight on fork, so none of them work ''overtime'', I guess...Now bike feels balanced, I dont know why I didnt put bigger spacer there earlier..oh well..Thanks guys :-D love it keep 'em coming
This is what we love to hear! Glad the video helped and we will keep it coming.
The Fox Shox's will be selling like little hot cakes from these videos.
The DIALED crew would love some fresh hot cakes! 😂
I got the same helmet bro love the Bell Sixer
Jordy, can I expect suspension to feel the same at my preferred settings every time? Will this change with the life of the shocks? And how does basic maintenance effect how my shock at preferred seatings will feel! Love this channel and the sharing of your knowledge! Episode 3 should be with Loris!!
Jordi the best suspension tech on the planet
I...I....I....think I'm starting to get it !!!!
As many have said , these videos are awesome, particularly the content around set up. It would seem that mountain bike suspension set up is prime to have an app created to provide base settings and to record clicks and pressures, with the potential to add functionality like feel, EG if shock feels harsh on steep drops, add high speed compression. This would allow you to have your own Jordi on the trail with you. Is there any reason why Fox doesn't hasn't developed an app already?
I feel its probably just personal preferrance but I like to start with everything wide open and close as I progress in tuning. Also running the Smashpot in my Zeb for ultra sensitivity, traction and confidence. I want as much absorption and as little front wheel deflection as possible for my region and I found the only way for that to be possible is to run coils in my forks. I kind of know based on which trail I ride how much low speed or high speed to add and even HBO. None the less I geek out and love finding ways to improve my set up. Its apparent when you see me ride cuz the bike just eats and stays so composed. And I'm referring to a 60lb Turbo Levo. 170/ 160 with the Cascade Link and coil rear shock as well.
Don’t be afraid to play. You can always change it back.
Only if you write it down first!
Playtime has never been so DIALED! 😂
great video guys! I was wondering about the finer aspects of suspension tuning when I clicked on this...perfect! One question: Why is Jordi wearing his helmet throughout the whole vid??? Struck me as funny...:)
Great series, enjoyed every video so far!
I have a question in regards to LSC and air pressure. My bike feels nicely set up. However there are a very few instances when I find that when I push into an obstacle, in order to pop off, the fork does not give me as much support as I want, it feels like it is a little soft like the fork is going under the bike a little. Same in some fast rough sections.
In a situation like this would you recommend increasing air pressure a little, adding air and reducing LSC (so the fork does not become too rough), adding a spacer or something completely different?
I want to see Jordi ride!!
thanks guys. by the way right now: 551 thumbs up , ZERO thumbs down. NICE
Clearly people are into getting their suspension DIALED, we are working on more of these types of videos for you guys, stay tuned and be sure to subscribe! 👊
Do you have a video explaining in what scenario you would change hsc, lsc, hsr and lsr. For instance braking bumps feeling harsh on the arms, you would adjust your ...........
I'm really enjoying the series! If I followed along correctly, starting in the middle of the usable hsc/lsc range would put you at 8 and 6 respectively. He went three out on hsc (11) and 2 out on lsc (8). Same 3 click spread between the two but a bit more closed than 12 and 15! Which would make sense during warmer/hot weather 🤘
Thought the same. 15 seems completely open
I run the high and low speed rebound 2 clicks from fully closed on all my rear shocks. You can't convince me otherwise. Hits Crabapple no problems.
Nice video! Can you explain why you start from lsc first and the rebound is a last? Should it be opposite? And in case if I don’t have volume spacers is it correct to just pump more air? I understand it will mess the sag but I believe it will be firmly and with volume spacers fork remains soft but with less bottom effect? Thank you.
Es kann nur einen geben!
Jordi is rebound counting also from closed the clicks
Ps your videos are always an pleasure to watch 🤟👍😎
Yes- counting clicks is always from closed (compression & rebound)
If its from closed then he was very little rebound on is fork and shock
Thanks Jordi, yes its pretty simple, but key is as you said, where are you now, where did make change, now test it.
Loris needs to watch this video and start working on his own suspension, lol.
Thanks for the Setup Vid...Clear and Concise :)
In your next tuning video, can you include a luftkappe review?
Any word on how those adjustments relate to each other? I’m curious whether I should use a spacer when bottoming out too often on big hits or up the hsc a bit. Guessing the spacer would result in a more poppy bike whereas the heavier damping would deaden the bike and would also affect the entire stroke.
Jordi is the Roger DeCoster of MTB Suspension
Be interested to know what the rider felt with the given changes e.g. what did it do when hitting roots, was it more playful, did it impact turn in etc.
And when will Fox swap that air sleeve guide ring made of bronze/teflon to something that doesn't scratch the kashima coating 7:37? I made my own, that doesn't scratch and makes the shock more coil like, but can't say the material, maybe if you hire me...
(But I believe in you if you tell me that it's difficult to be mass produced, as the tolerances have to be really tight. In my case (+/-0.005mm))
Not sure if you are familiar with the vorsprung tuesday tune videos, but according to Steve's dyno testing, the effects of LSR and HSR on the X2 shock are pretty much the same. He says to close the HSR and work with LSR only, then if you reach full open on LSR and need more adjustment, start opening the HSR. Can you confirm/deny this, and explain?
Stephen Daly Do you really need an explanation? You watched the Vorsprung video and saw that they explain it quite extensively.. You know with graphs from the dyno and everything..
Well I see Jordi making suggestion to riders to adjust both hi/lo speed rebound independently, yet if they function the same as explained from vorsprung, why is he not saying the same thing as Steve? Does fox disagree with this method? Just looking for clarification on the real world use of these adjusters.
Not sure why you're trying to shut down a legitimate question before the pros can answer it
I personally prefer to have slower hsr and fast lsr so the bike can track the ground well without bucking on jumps. Might as well get a simpler shock if you dont want to set these independently..
@@sdaly88 I don't think you're going to get a response from Fox on other people's/companies tuning methods or theories. They are going to recommend what was shown in the video. If you want to try the other method do so. Use the same sections of trai, back to back, on the same day, bracketing and recording your results. See if it works better for you, if doesn't, return to the original method and settings.
Very interesting question actually! But after watching many videos about the subject I've realised that there are different philosophy about suspension setup. That said you will notice some common points! Anyway testing, bracketing and go back testing etc...
Please, please get Loris involved in these set up videos. He needs a cameo at the very least.
We will work on that, the guy has his hand full at the World Cups but hopefully we can line up something after the season or in-between races! 👊
Jordy I'm trying to work out how to get the rebound dialed in with regard to air spring pressure. I'm 6 clicks on my Fox Rhythm 34 Fork. 1 volume spacer. 90 PSI rendering about 24% sag. I'm using about 80 to 85% of for travel on a variety of trails with some small 1-3' drops. I'm going to let out 2.5 to 3 lbs of air on the fork and wondering if I would need to adjust the rebound, considering there will be slightly more travel with a slightly softer 'spring'
In general: with less air pressure you need more rebound. 2-3 psi from 90 is not much, so you might only change it by one click if you were happy with the rebound at 90 psi
Also I know roughly about the lsc and hsc but what ones are best to have what. Is it better to have more clicks or less
Awesome video! Would you be able to do the same on a 2021 x2? Clickers are different than the 2020
Video for loris to watch!
imo, the easiest way to teach anyone to dial their suspension would be explaining what is actually happening when you open or close the adjuster knobs and how the bike behaves/changes behavior in consequence of the adjustment.
if you know what will happen when you close the damper you will know whether you want it opened or closed.
We plan on shooting a "Part 3" here in Lenzerheide where Jordi explains each individual adjustment in detail. Stay tuned and make sure to subscribe so you don't miss anything! 👊
Generally speaking, what setting changes would you recommend if your front end is sliding more than your rear and/or you want your rear end to slide more?
Front-rear lsc balance I’d say, provided the tyre and handlebar set up aren’t to blame..
Get a bald rear tire.
When setting the sag does one fully open the compression and rebound before setting the sag?
Does Fox use data acquisition? Maybe use the tech in the live value system to create data acquisition specific shock to 'dial' the settings, then flip back to your race shock. The data seems to have really helped the specialised team this year.
Nah. It's just Bruni riding out of his mind. If it was only due to the setup Finn would've smashed it as well.
Hey. If you have compression and rebound settings dialed and you add or remove volume spacers, do the settings before change??
@FOX do you start counting clicks from the hard stop or from the 1st click in?
Do I need a special adapter to pump up a fox shock and a rear or are they both the same as rock shock? I recently upgraded mine and need to order one now aha.
Next video... How to setup Connor's helmet straps correctly...
Jordi on X2 you only adding to the positive chamber ? or is there a negative one to tune as well? thanks
Nice Video! Maybe it overheard it, but do i set the SAG with all Diales in the Middle or fully openend or closed?
open LSC and set sag with the airpressure..
I found out, if you are weak and cant compress the shock controlled, you can sit on the bike and pull up on the rear wheel slowly.
🇺🇲Ok, Guys just saw your Vid, added to positive and it leveled out too 200psi, I'm usually 195psi Fox Float RSV 2X . . Custom tune 10 ? Pivot I'll take it for a spin tomorrow AM👍,lol it feels better balanced !🇺🇲
Do you guys change shim stacks? It’s common in motocross but I haven’t seen it in mtb’s?
Guys can you describe what you mean when you say from open or from closed? Assuming open is when you turned the dial in the minus direction and adding more compression is towards the plus?
Q: Do you always put the cap back on the rebound knob when you're bracketing? Asking for a friend. :D
Hey guys, I am having trouble finding the fully closed position on my fork HSC (Fox 36 170mm/29 Grip 2), it does not seem to have a firm stop, it just keeps clicking in and just gets firmer to turn. It does have a solid stop when wound fully open though so can you tell me how many clicks from full open would be to fully closed? Manul seems to say 16 clicks of adjustment but when I count in from fully open it does not seem even close to stopping, it has another 10 clicks before it starts to get firm? Any help appreciated. Cheers. Damien.
does that negative and positive air chamber thing apply to all shocks? is Jordi cycling through the travel as he adds air? kinda confused by this part
after i add a Spacer, should i put the same pressure in the fork or set the same SAG as before??
the one dislike rides on rockshox
Anybody know what's jordi's helmet? Looks great
Jordi, could you explain why fox fork volume spacers and vorsrung's luftkappe have different performance characteristics? When both are changing the difference in the air chambers. Also, with the 36 grip 2, when it first came out fox only released it in 160mm travel, now low travel options are available, correct? I was told grip2 needed 160mm to work properly? So this is false ?
Thanks for all your teams hard work.
i am no expert, but from what i do know the luftkappe does mess with positive air chamber by design as its like adding 1 token in, but the big difference in the characteristic change is that luftkappe also alters the negative air chamber size which is something regular volume spacers do not do.