Division Heartland "Was A Division 2 BR Mode" BREAKDOWN
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Amidst the fallout of the Division Heartland cancellation news, today I wanted to focus on some interesting information and takes that have come out. Let me know your thoughts.
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*Correction:* In my commentary, I mention that Ryan Smith was a former employee of Red Storm Entertainment. Rather, he was a former employee at Massive Entertainment. My apologies for the incorrect reporting.
They need more money for assassin's creed 28 lol
Assassin’s Greed 28
The reality is that a game like Assassin's Creed Origins, a single player game released 7 years ago, has more players in-game right now on steam than The Division 2. If The Division is to continue as a franchise, you better pray that new assassin's creed games will make lots of money for ubisoft, because The Division clearly doesn't
*WE NEED BLK SAMURAI* 😂
Rip heartland 😭😭😭
Hey, don't go jinxing Shadows. That trailer was 🔥 and I want that game to be good.
@@ferrenberg because they fundamentally haven't change the game outside of gear sets and weapon perks for the last 4 years, we are still spamming control points
I never really believed in Heartland that much, the only thing that hurts here is the optics of it. Division already isn't looked at with much respect in the gaming industry, and self inflicted L's don't help its reputation. Sad because I love this franchise
Ubisoft doing shady shit as always.😊
Right now our agent doesn't have to survive and be street-smart like literally everyone else around them. They are completely removed from the virus, hunger, cold, thirst, threats around every corner like some sort of superman. It's really jarring from an immersion standpoint. The numbers-based looter genre doesn't really suit the gritty, morally grey survival setting the game tries to depict.
Div 3 SHOULD be about gritty urban survival where survival is about getting food, water, meds, helping NPCs, doing your part and trying not to get shot around every corner, instead of looking at numbers on a stat sheet. In my opinion the game would be better served as an atmospheric urban survival shooter.
When was a it a BR mode?! I tested this in 2021 and it had no BR elements. So I don't know what Ryan is talking about other than maybe on paper in OG concept.
It was simply just a Dark Zone only mode.
A lot can change in 2 years. People would be amazed where it was at prior to cancellation
I said this a long time ago!!! The game mode made no sense and was a waste of time. I even doubled down on this when I heard about D3 and the new D2 content coming in 2025. Not even surprised.
im glad its canceled. hoping we can get them on track witb both the main games but like u say we could be wrong
Heartland will be incorporated into Division 3
They better release it as a dlc
Blame it all on COVID
Honestly the division 2 changes to medkits and emphasis on cover based shooter mechanics had me drop it. Over 5k hours on division 1 in the dark zone and hearing you explain that this kinda screws over the PvP of the Division 2 really hurts to hear. I love the division and the world it spun but the things I fell in love with aren't there anymore. Really hoping to see a return and revival of PvP in the division 3
Dropping the game over that is a personal skill issue
Division isn't a good pvp game in general
Game is designed to be a pve game. From playing a lot of 3rd person shooters, Division 1 and 2....Division in general is ass. First off, character movement is slow as hell.
Cover to cover is supposed to be heavy in this type of game since its generally slow. But pvp wise, yeah this game shouldn't have pvp at all. I'd literally go play Rogue Conpany over this pvp any day lmao.
@@The_Cholosseum division 1 instant medkits gave a lot of skill expression of timing and knowing the movement. Division 2 really dumbed it down and tried to force cover based combat that no one liked
@@fpsshotty7445 division in general is pve, character movement is too slow for a 3rd person shooter pvp focused.
Again it doesn't matter what instant medkits did in division 1 or 2. Overall it's a pve focused game and it should've stayed like that. Game is definitely not pvp focused
Cover to cover isn't and never was an issue... a lot of garbage players that think running and gunning is the best way are the only ones crying. Honestly both are situational and should be utilized accordingly.
@@The_Cholosseum sure it's PvE focused now but in div 1 they actually seemed to care about pvp in the dark zone, conflict and survival til they all died out from hackers or just moving to div 2
@@fpsshotty7445 the game in general isnt good for pvp at all. Character movements are too slow for a pvp 3rd person shooter... I'll keep saying that
😢😢 sup Rogue family 😢😢😢
I think that is what hurts the most: all of those resources pulled away from Div 2 for Heartland, for years, and to flush it all down the drain.
This just adds salt to the wound. When we were twisting in the breeze with nothing to do in Div2 for years we could have been playing this, instead they tried to chase a fad that never panned out. We get shit on. I love Rogue's videos and I admire his positivity, but I am at an all-time low point with this franchise and really have no faith that Div 3 will be anything other than another Ubi dumpster fire. I'm truly bummed.
Ubisoft is the among the biggest trash of the gaming industry.
They need to just release heartland as a dlc within Division 2.
I’ve gotten to a point where I don’t believe anything from Ubisoft until I see it.
We’ve been asking for Survival since Div2 came out, it would be so amazing if they at least had it in Div3.
to be fair, no survival will ever have the same feeling as the first game, night time in nyc in heavy snow and trash/abandonded area. division 2 is sunny, hopefully 3 will be similar to the first game, always said this.
Publishers will never cease to amaze with how knee jerk they are with pushing projects to keep up with the flavor of the times. Initially a spinoff BR, then changed into a stand alone extraction shooter... then completely cancelled out of nowhere... Seems like they never could decide what they wanted it to be.
Apart from the discussion between PVP not being the majority of the Division's player base, and so on... I'd still don't get why would they cancel a project that, even tho still needed some work, it was probably mostly done?! Its almost 4 years of work from the team... That's just unfair. 😢
Well shoutout to Ubi for more mismanagement and wasting resources. This isn't unlike Naughtydog wasting all that time bloating a mode that people wanted into something they didn't ask for. Damn shame 😊
While i think its very unlikely that they'll add any of heartland's mechanics into div2,i hope they will at least add the outfits,faces and haircuts. Some of the apparel customization in heartland looked a lot better than what we got in div2.
Also,i agree with everything you said,especially with your take on the division 2 devs and PVP. Good video
lol you need bright coloured clothing, pink hair and quirky female characters to enjoy the game huh😂
I didn’t care about heartland myself but I didn’t want it to be canceled for others. There’s a game out there for everyone and I’m a gamer and just want all gamers to enjoy there games.
Best comment 🙌
First, I want to acknowledge that your channel is an amazing source for The Division franchise news and information. You present a well condensed, highly informative media stream I routinely use as a goto for what’s going on with the community and what “may” be coming down the pipe.
I’m just a player of Division 1 and 2, as well as many other games. I more “seasoned” at 60 years of age now. I have been playing, watching, reading, tracking; the industry for decades, including content creators and “reporters”. I’m not always right, but I’m consistent with my success on calling hits and misses.
The Division Heartland wasn’t what we thought. I have tested it in the earliest stages as well as the latest stages. Simply putting “The Division” in the title doesn’t make it a Division game. If they had just left it as a BR with F2P, it may have made it, and it may even get launched as such under a different title.
Changing the genera title to “Extraction Shooter” was a stretch, or maybe the “Squeeze map” but okay, enjoy the title scrabble; end result; fail. As another aside, past all that info, and the money and the creator, developer, publisher minutia; I’d be willing to admit that the interactions between the people was another hurdle that wasn’t worth the pain. Read into that what you will, but my eyes tell me there were some basic differences in teams and goals/levels of importance.
The game may have been decent, but the destination was foretold a long time ago.
Heartland, a precursor to The Disappointment 3🤦🏽♂️
just glad I got to play a ton of the beta last summer, it was a great game with a ton of potential. i feel the designers did a great job and i feel bad for all the D1 Survival fans who will never get to try it. they should have released at least an open beta for the masses to try before cancelling.
as far as your take on Survival on D3..., we can only hope but upper management at Ubisoft doesn't seem to be the most competent with decision making. oh, and have fun milking D2 for the next 4-5 years. what a cluster f---.
Imagine if they didn't get greedy and just put all those resources into Division 2 in the first place??? They really do hate their players....
I quite liked heartland cuz it was division and extraction shooter, and i love both of those things, nothing we can do unfortunately lets just be happy the division is still a thing
Iv'e been thinking about this a bit before commenting, although i had little interest in Heartlands. I'm more concerned with the recent developments. Says to me, the company has no interest in us, and i don't feel like grinding for a year hoping they don't cancel all the rest, to "Focus" on earnings. I'm done. Love the division, everything about it is unique, from the graphics to the story, so engrossing, not any more, just like the rest of the company's,"focusing" on earnings. Then there's sweet baby and the rest chomping at the bit to cripple our entertainment. Not looking good for gaming generally going forward. RIP The Division.
There was just no place for Heartland after thinking about it. Most of the feedback I saw about Heartland was a want for it to lean more into PvE content. The conversation always hovered around the idea of people wanting to play Heartland and not do any PvP, with people countering that by saying that PvP needs to be integral to the experience.
I don't think Division 3 and the current commitment to Division 2 existed when Heartland expanded and was ramping up. If Ubisoft got the impression that most people were interested in PvE from Heartland, then there's not much point in making that game if you have added Division 2 efforts in play and a Division 3 on the horizon. They'd all just cannibalize each other.
So, in a way, the people that pushed for PvE-only stuff in Heartland 'won' and their feedback highlighted the inefficient business strategy of pushing Heartland out when most of its potential playerbase would try to shoehorn that game into something it wasn't meant to be.
I started to come around to the idea of PvEvP stuff, so I'm sad to see this game go. All day, every day in that Discord people just went back and forth on how much PvP should be required to get everything in Heartland with a lot of people saying they wouldn't play the game at all if they had to PvP. Ubisoft saw that and made the choice to just cancel the game if they arem't going to have a market for it.
disagree strongly. ubi probably looked at the pvp numbers and realised people wouldnt leave division 2 who arent into pvp and wouldnt switch (for long at least) from CoDpiece and fortnite. going to one extreme or another was never going to work either. exclusives to pvp well... theres a reason a lot of us dont go in the darkzones, and it isnt just ganking by much more focused pvpers or cheaters, its the fact when you die you lose way more dz xp (and go down levels even) than you earned (outside of clearing landmarks which earn nothing now which is stupid change) along with dz currency that you dont get a lot of to start with. i went in the zone last time, i had 39 dz resources, cleared a landmark then got one shot THROUGH a solid metal generator or something along with another agent; by a rogue who was clearly shooting through cover not moving around it. i lost a level back to 6 and came out with 9 dz resources. if you want more people in dz in div 2 then drop the loss of xp and dz resources for being killed by a cheater or rogue agent.
but the splitting up of the dz in div 2 was stated as being to force pvp since the pvpers in div 1 complained the agents not interested in pvp and just wanted to clear landmarks could avoid the rogues! and so you pvpers are in same position as div 1 pvpers now - the same people in the dz using the same metas and none of it you seem to find satisfying. making heartland a battle royale would count me out from wanting to play boring repetitive pvp and nothing more interesting like a campaign or missions. if it makes pvpers happy good, maybe they could link up div 2 darkzones so that i can go landmark farming again, and not have to worry about being one shot from outside the building through the walls and floor by someone who cant understand the dz wasnt supposed to be pvp only, originally, and pve players were supposed to have an equal right to be there... and the chance to defend their extractions. unfortunately a pve loadout doesnt work against a pvper even if they arent cheating. dunno how to fix that one.
it sounds like to me this is a classic case of upper management, and most likely 3rd party consultants, over analyzing what customers want (with focus groups), constantly making changes after changes after changes, but never making a decision and just releasing the damn game to the marketplace to gauge what the actual customers want. next thing you know the corporate types waste a ton of time and money until it's cancelled. i just hope the executives and consultants responsible for this mess get fired and never touch another video game again. how you can practically finish a game, have years of time and money invested in it, and just cancel it out of the blue is the epitome of incompetence.
@halorin Appreciate the breakdown, compelling thoughts 👍
They cancel heartland but put extra resources towards the steaming pile of crap that is XDefiant? 🤦♂️
I wanted a Div3 anyways. Heartland didnt sound promising. Sounded like a small cash grab of a game
I was never a big fan of heartland and I barely enjoy pvp in division two but so so unfortunate for people who were looking forward to it. It could definitely be used as dlc for division two or even three. But yeah I werent too bothered but it's really not fair for people were excited for it
It would be nice if heartland or atleast the story would be adapted into div 2, im sure the programming isn't as simple but they had a fleshed out map, enemies and seemingly story. Would be a great extra area to have
I disagree, the story for The division 2 is only getting more cringey and drawn out and heartlands was the icing on the cake...I've been playing the new manhunt story missions etc. and the writing is just so bad
Kinda a kick in the balls for all those who we're holding out for division 2. Essentially when there is only 2 weeks left for this season.
Ubisoft never Ceases to amaze me. They’ve been doing things like this for many many years. That’s why a lot of people left them long time ago.
I never cared for PVP in The Division. I always played PVE since getting good PVP build is so hard and im not that competitive.
It certainly is harder than making a viable PVE build, but that’s because nearly any build can be viable in PVE and the most meta PVE builds are well known and take at most a couple hours to put together. PVP builds are fun and stimulating to design and challenging and rewarding to put together, besides there are plenty of common exotics, named items and brand/gear sets that can be used to put together a perfectly viable PVP build in just a couple hours too
Rogue I have got be honest I do believe with all the delays, promises and now the cancellation of Heartland. They will lose players in droves now because they cannot be honest with the most important people- the players..
100% agree with this comment. if they think people will stick around for the 4+ years they will take to finish D3 just because they throw some add-ons to D2 they are nuts. Ubisoft is obviously prioritizing Resurgence over Heartland to fill that gap, which is laughable. Bring on GTA6!!
If this is going to happen, then they need to fast track the next season bc players will leave. And to think Resurgence will do anything is crazy, when no one asked for it on mobile...smh!
If it was a pvp br game then i'm glad it got cancelled. Division is pve.
My heart goes out to the people who invested time and passion into the Heartland product. This cancellation has resulted in a huge waste of time and talent, and I wish there could have been a result to satisfy everyone.
That being said, I want to express my own personal experiences with the heartland alpha/beta:
Guys, it unfortunately wasn’t going to be the next great division experience you were all hoping for.
The map/environment was a BIG, HUUUGE step down in visual intrigue and complexity compared to what we’ve seen before, enemy AI and variety being nonexistent, resource and inventory management coming across as purely an annoyance factor more than anything else (and trust me, I don’t mind degrading materials/equipment in a lot of other games, it was just implemented poorly here) and the combat basically NEVER involved the use of any equipment, as those required batteries… with single uses.
Some of that was salvageable, so I still had SOME hope that that could expand and turn it around, with one major exception.
The gear had no stats. None. There were no “builds” of any sort. Weapon rarity within a class bumped up stats a bit, better rarity means more stats.
There was no incentive to complete certain activities, or pursue goals, or explore.
Nighttime PvP was honestly pretty fun, but it was surrounded by all these systems that either bogged down the experience or felt like they existed to extend (VERY boring) farming time.
I really wanted to enjoy the game (as I LOVE D1 and D2) but the flaws were HUGE and this might end up being a good thing in terms of long term brand health.
I want to be clear that THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I do not pretend to speak for every beta player, as I also have friends who enjoyed their experience. I hope that those involved find success in their next project, and the next big division game learns from some of the decisions and testing carried out here.
Maybe the assets or some of the mode concepts can be adapted into TD2. Hell, maybe the location could be DLC3?
This is exactly what I was thinking. If it's using the same engine and the map is done it might be easy to salvage as either a DLC or stand alone area outside of DC, similar to Coney Island or the zoo, etc. Give it a story line like a remote/rural Division training camp suddenly came online, go investigate; or a missing supply Convoy, or a new faction of religious radicals, etc.
@visuyhmgroup Maybe.
So they canceled this but not skull n bones...wow.
I would honestly be suprised if they just delete all assets of the game. I dont think they will ever releases the game itself seeing as it is cancelled, but i think they will be reused
Of course Ubisoft knew it was getting axed. That might have included only 3 people, but it was decided. All cancellations and layoffs are planned and timed deliberately. They may seem abrupt to us on the outside and some people on the inside, but Heartland has dead well before yesterday.
Certainly Ubisoft corporate knew, but they allowed people to keep working on it unknowingly.
@@RogueGold Oh yeah, that's par for the course. It's uncool, but it's how it happens. I do think this played into the no Division Day. If you have it and leave out Heartland, you've tipped your hand. If you have it and include Heartland, this shifts from a tragedy to a PR nightmare.
I think heartland is going to be D3 now or something from HL will be in D3
cancelling heartland needed to happen, they missed their opportunity to release this game and the demand/interest just isn’t there. nobody wants a battle royale in 2024. we just don’t. Div 3 and div 2 should be their sole focus only. so much time and effort/energy has been wasted with this project that nobody wants and now we’re still 4 years out from div 3 at least..
was Heartland supposed to be a BR mode? I don't think so based on the IGN video they posted last year
At conception in 2019, yes. It then went through *many* changes over the years
@@RogueGold yeah i had high hopes as it was BR mode. but the recent changes i seriously didn't like
Should do zomething more modern and less apocalyptic or medieval. I cancelled my Ubisoft+ subscription because The Crew was removed, Heartland was cancelled and I'm a bit bored of the apocalyptic/medieval genres. Watchdogs 2 was alright but I've played it many times - even with the scripthook menu and on PC and console.
GTA 6? Another year, so I won't be waiting because that's like watching a trailer for a movie two years before release...
If only the gaming industry was like the movie industry. We'd have so many big and cool games and open worlds and people wouldn't make such a big deal out of GTA 6 because there'd be like a dozen open world games like that on the market.
Unfortunate that the gaming industry isn't like the movie industry and is fairly small in comparison...
I hope they can at least take the cosmetics from Heartlands and give them to us
I personally don't get the hype (on their end ) about XDefiant, it looks and sounds mediocre at best.
I also don't think we've seen the last of Heartland, I think they will pull a "because you demanded it, we listened to you" kind of B.S. stunt and we'll get some form of it in Div2/Div3 DLC.
PS4 and Div2 are old, and PS5 should have better quality games
And this is why I don’t have good vibes for TD3. Do I want it? Yes. Do I trust Ubi enough for them to deliver? No. As I say to many people, “don’t get to excited until we’re playing”. If they can cancel a game that was announced that long ago then anything is possible. IMO the big question is can TD2 sustain the current player base they have till TD3? As it stands they already delayed the Brooklyn DLC which should be the next chapter………. there they were driving off telling us to build a bridge. Was this a metaphor for Heartland being cancelled.
As a day 1 player of the franchise, nothing surprises me any more. Nothing. PvP in TD2 has been so bad for so long, especially if Conflict was your main. Now to find out it was all for nothing just leaves me shaking my head. We went through an awful lot of BS with in TD1, they promised they'd fix it and all they did was completely torpedo the experience. Except for movement, everything about PvP in TD1 is more satisfying. I hope they meant what they said with regards to XDefiant. I think that game has a chance, but I'll believe it when I see it.
It's so uncanny to me that both Division 2 and Destiny 2, having such MASSIVE PvP components to their playerbases, both have dev teams that just said "F it" to developing more PvP to truly embrace and serve those player components. Business-wise, I sorta get it, as PvP isn't as easily monetized, but to practically abandon those components without formally addressing it is entirely another, and players are right to be angry at feeling strung along.
Over in the Warframe community, our game has never really focused on PvP, it's always had its core as coop/PvE. It does have a little PvP, but barely anyone plays it or truly embraces it. And that's fine, the devs have actually said as much, and the community, as a whole, isn't up in arms over PvP maps not being built or PvP modes not being added or whatever. So all in all, no harm no foul.
But Division and Destiny have tons of people in those communities that love PvP, and to not say "we're officially abandoning PvP, sorry y'all, but we need to focus on PvE" is kinda dishonest. Especially with the thought that Heartland would be a big shot in the arm for Division PvP players...
Can't blame a single Agent for being really disheartened and pissed off.
Noone asked for Heartland in 2019 - everyone asked for Survival. All Ubi had to do was drop a D2 style Survival DLC when WONY was released then add Div1 Apparel Events and made Millions.
Survival would be great, but RESISTANCE would be insane in Div2 with 16 man squads doing it...jus picture it RG
What a waste of time, resources, and money ! How can they not salvage some.assets from HL to incorporate into the D2 DLC..4 YEARS and nothing to show for it! Tragedy! Ubi is so clueless!
This company is an utter disaster. They’re the gaming equivalent of the big three automakers chasing trends and abandoning their base in the 2000’s. They ruined the Ghost Recon series, introducing mechanics from this series that simply didn’t work. Then they dumped untold resources into Heartland, chasing the BR trend, and then pivoting to a standalone extraction shooter with limited appeal and chances at longevity….time, money and profit opportunity that could have been better utilized creating paid downloadable content for existing IP. Then you’ve got the CEO blaming the workers for management’s short sightedness. I’m sure the culture within that company must be awful by this point.
They’ve got the Star Wars IP, but that’s not a slam dunk, and Assasin’a Crees feels very long in the tooth.
They also missed the boat on turning the Division IP into a topical scripted series, while other companies saw, and capitalized on the gold in those hills.
It’s hard to have any faith in them
not sure if it would work as a Division DLC, i mean its basically another dark zone then...and D2´s dark zones are already cheeks.
reworked survival mode for D2 on the other hand would be AMAZING and im sure fans would love it.
That’s no surprise
What makes me sad is Heartland is literally what the industry needs. There’s honestly 0 FTP or MMO games that are close to The Division. Everything is always SciFi, zombies, or medieval but nothing is ever modern military.
It's probably never going to happen because Ubisoft won't dedicate that much resources into Division 2 but I really wish they had just given Heartland as a final DLC to Division 2 instead of giving up on the immense amount of hard work that Red Storm devs had put in the development of Heartland. I wish the Division community gets United to rally behind this idea. 😓
This blows. Money grab central. Division 1 was not advertised correctly in the beginning. ( Labeled as a tactical shooter), then we lost support for the dark zone, which turned into a dumpster fire. Survival somewhat saved it along with the incursions. Division 2 came out and screwed us on the dark zone again. Years of silence and no content. Tried to breathe the life back into the game with globals and replayable manhunts. Decent then the incursion or vice versa. Finally, a simple idea with the mechanics that we wanted in the first Division and you scraped the project after 5 years of work. With no news of the new dlc or whether or not they will continue to pump fresh content out. We are basically stuck waiting for Div 3. Which at the rate Ubisosoft is going might abandon it too. Xdefiant beta was ok and RB6 is cool, but your loyal player base for the Division is about to jump ship.
TBH, I was hoping for Heartland to put Division 2 back into my normal cycle of game playing, but as a non-PVP player, I don't see any reason for that to happen.
It is sad, but true that software companies typically do a horrible job of evaluating the market until just before release. Having been a software product manager for many years, I can just imagine what happened. About a monthg ago, a mid-to-upper level manager asked the product/program manager for Heartland to evaluate the market and make some predictions on sales. When he/she presented the numbers in a routine status report, the manager and the CFO nearly had a heart attack. The Division franchise has a loyal, but very small player base. That was the end of Heartland. More importantly, all Division games are now most likely going to be re-evalauted for their future financial viability.
Thanks for clarifying for people thinking any of this is good for the Division franchise. The IP on the whole lost support, none of the talent is getting us D2 DLC or Division 3 any sooner. They'll be working on FPS games I don't give a shit about instead.
Basically they saw the popularity of Division 1: Survival and instead of doing the same thing, they decided to spin it off as a separate game and FAILED BAD.
Man, F having survival back in D3, respectfully. I want it back now. Truly, I had no horse in the Heartland race but I think it sucks for the IP overall. Thats less of the franchise everywhere and its wild that Ubisoft would do that to what is generally regarded as the best live service game out there right now. (It has its flaws yes)
I'm disappointed. Heartland not coming sucks. But, more than that it's the overall attitude towards the franchise. I don't know how you couldn't consider the division 2 as one of the most successful recent releases. I don't have numbers but after playing watch dogs, valhalla, and far cry the division is the only game I still play and pay for new content. Come on, ubisoft pull your heads out.
I might be part of the minority but I'm not surprised. I played beta on multiple occasions. It wasn't the Division. It lacked the same heart and soul. The gameplay was meh at best. And being forced to PVP wasn't my or any of my friends type of game. They had some really interesting ideas. Just didn't resonate with any of my friends or myself.
I’ll put money that we see it or a variant in TD2 or TD3. So much dev time, money and resources went this far. Way say it’s cancelled? No pressure, no promises, no commitment. I have friends refusing to comment so I find that weird.
Makes sense, since Heartland was built on Division 2 files (as noted from looking under the hood of pre-alpha).
Hopfully any new assets can be reused div2.
Honestly. As soon as I heard about Div 2 dlc I knew this would get canceled. That’s 3 Div projects lining up to all launch together. People like us will play heartland and the dlc and resurgence but casual players will just play heart land and take away from division 2 regardless of if there different genres it’s still internal competition.
As someone who is a heavy investor in the stock market. I'd be furious with management. An incredible waste of money and resources. Meanwhile their dropping all this money to more first person games which are absolutely saturated. And cheaper to make probably cause your only model is a hand and a gun. None of you want to here this but they should make it paid downloadable content for Division 2.
Their fans are diehard enough to pay for it. And lve heard that the next Ghost Recon is first person aswell. Completely the wrong approach. There is a market for solid 3rd person shooters. And yet their putting costs over projected sales. And for anyone who says 3rd person games aren't where the moneys at. Pretty sure GTA6 is going to be 3rd person. If Ubisoft can't fill the need then someone else will and steal what they already had.
Well guess if I play any it will be div 1 .. I was excited about heartland . And with div 3 being a min of 3 years away I guess its time to walk away from another loved franchise... and with div 2 not having a good dz or pvp I can't keep playing it .. div 1 keep me playing because of the dz I think I clocked 7 or 8k hours in div 1 and only 2 or 3 in div 2 .. sucks one of my favorite series is done for a good long while ..
I figured either a cancellation or a total rework was coming after the beta last summer and the silence since. I'm a big fan of PvPvE extraction shooters and also being a Division fan, I was really excited when I found out about Heartland. But the beta was very disappointing imo and it was not received well by the vast majority of players judging by everything I've seen since.
All of that work that could have just been done on Division 2 instead. I just don't get why other developers don't take the Warframe approach and add even drastically different modes onto the main game instead of making an entirely new game. The devs not getting reassigned to Div2 or 3 development makes this all even worse. Ubisoft is just a mess right now. I'm worried for Division 3 if the Star Wars game flops too.
To me this is always the problem when the suits decide to chase the next 'big' thing trying to hit literal gold. It rarely works. Let's call it Biowaring™. What does work is when someone has a vision that they stick to and see through to the end. And I second getting Survival in D2. I can't believe it's that difficult.
Ubisoft should really treat The Division the way Bungie treats Destiny. They also have to stop with the spin offs, R6 Extraction also didn’t need to be its own game.
Great video RG.
Points well made and nicely articulated
Appreciate it 🙏
First don't think that the Div 3 is safe from being cancelled because who knows what Ubi will do! These guys are off the rails with their bad decision making so just be prepared.
... That kind of sucks, but honestly I'm glad division didn't turn into a BR mode. I hate the br concept, especially if it was going to be in division style
Fans like black flag. How about a sequel? No here's skull and bones.
Fans like survival let's get it in division 2. No we're making Heartlands.
So cancelled heartland, still no Netflix division movie, still delayed mobile game, delayed dlc content? Clearly Ubisoft knows how to alienate the fans or fixing bug issues yet the micro-transactions are always ready to go
Days Gone 2 in 3 .ubisoft just know how to make games that cheat and your think Division is a survival games Days Gones is a Real survival game with out all the Built gear all this Level up bs just to make you spend money thry don't no how to Balance they Games its easy to make Games cheat and force you in to Difficulties mode just to make it hard Days Gones is a challenge with out forcing you and it let you play the way you want not how they want most of ubisoft Games do the same thing force Difficulties mode every if you just to play normal
NDA’s suck… but as much as this stings and sucks. I’m not surprised… I get rose color glasses but if this would have release in the state that was beta’d it would have hurt this franchise more than it’s already been hurt. My 2cents.
The suites have fumbled so many times with this game. Its frustrating and I hope ppl arent mad at the devs. This is a considerable mistake. Played betas of Heartland and xdefainant. Heartland was miles better than xdefiant. Just baffling how out of touch the suits are.
i am, as i'm watching this video been thinking to delete it the game because there is nothing to do in the game anymore. I've beaten and conquered missions over and over and OVER. it's insanity and boring right now and to now discover that they've canned Heartland is incredibly stupid and disappointment. I think it is time to call it quits with this gam. it's been great but they've ran out of juice.
This has me quite concerned for div3 now, I can see Ubisoft putting pressure on massive to get the game out as soon as possible, leading to another typical Ubisoft release, Ubisoft are just so embarrassingly desperate for a new cash cow live service to suckle on.
The sad part is, they could have just charged like 20-60$ and it would have been purchased by many. Its has to be more or less in the same position as div 1 or 2 at release, what a waste
I hope that this is gonna turn into a ok they helped R6 and Xdefiant launch, lets get heartland back up and running. that is my hope, and wish. I still think it's bs that division has been halted (it does say halted effective immediately they have done this in the past and the game came out years later, skull and bones, which sadly isn't the same game we expected it just tells me that they haven't given up on it just "kicked the can down the road" which again is bs in my opinion) happened to begin with.
Well, after 3 years of playing div 2, i can say that im done with ubisoft, done with their games, and i wont be coming back. I dont waste my time and money on a game that is basically being ignored. And most likely div 3 is gonna be cancelled as well.
sooo - maybe it was cancelled because they will implement the mode into either Div2 to prolong its lifespan OR will be a coremode in Div3...
All that time and effort could have been put into Division 2 while 3 was being worked on. 🤦♂️
Having played 2 playtests. It cant be transitioned into div 2. It had mechanics the are engine incompatible. And to anybody who is hopeful for it gonna be honest i dont know who this game was made for.
Really wish they'd just release what they had for Heartland for like $20 and get rid of the live service stuff. They might see that there was more interest than they thought and we'd at least get to experience the lore and all the work that went into the title...
“I don’t care if I go to jail yannick whatever it takes the mission to get the dev build of it and run out”- not keener.
In all seriousness I’ll do anything to at least play the demo wait for it to be worked again or the dead island situation or just in general put it all on a drive and play no matter what it takes I will find a way to get the current latest most updated build I possibly can, Watch your ass Ubisoft.
Crazy, how they pulled resources from division 2 to work on heartland only to stop heartland only to pull resources again to work on xdefiant 😂
I would feel a lot more annoyed if I hadn't just discovered The First Descendant and it's coming out soon, damn it the more I think about it the more annoyed I am I and all of you have been waiting ages for heartland.
This is a bummer. I also wish they would do it as a dlc. The Division games are my favorite games in recent years. Maybe someday we will see Division 3 but I will not hold my breathe.