Toyota RAV4 Plug-in Hybrid performs really poorly in the moose test
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- In our latest plug-in hybrid SUV test the all-new Toyota RAV4 Plug-in Hybrid didn't manage the moose test. Much worse result than the ordinary RAV4 Hybrid. You can read about the complete issue at teknikensvarld...
The cars are always tested with original (by manufacturer) mounted tires and the tire pressure is according to the manufacturer's recommended numbers (for maximum load). If a car has different drive or ride height modes the car is always tested in the "normal mode".
Nice to know the Prime is a great drift car.
Best comment ever!
True I want it even more now
second that
@@Irresponsibleful Man, now I just want to take this on a rally course and slide this puppy around. 🚗🚗
If a car fails this type of test that doens't make it a good drift car
toyota is making the wrong car good at drifting
Good at losing control more like.
They made the wrong car good at 0-100 too.
hahahaha
Plate Productions *exactly* ! 😂
That's not even a good drift.
Failed your test, but pass the Saudi's. They love sideways drifts
:-)
They don't use this bore of a car
@@uww.v I see then use toyota Camry and Honda accord. Those cars are more boring than this one. Only thing is that this car may blow up due to the battery if they crash.
Right into a pole in a montage hopefully
@@zalcan3620 fingers crossed 🤞
"Scotty Kilmer would like to know your location"
@Normal Person :DDDDDDDDDDDD
He didn’t rev up his engine.
:-))))))))
I don't know who that is but if he finds my location, he's getting capped.
oh oh i thought i was biased against scotty but it turns out true hahahaha
Toyota: releases new RAV-4
Teknikens Värld: Ah shiiiiiit, here we go again.
This test is really unfair because where I live, we don’t have cones like that on the road.
Lol!
I don't need a moose test, because we don't have mooses in my country.
@@baginatora I believe the plural of moose is meese.
@@DoctorSkillz And the singular of cheese is choose
@@DoctorSkillz I believe the plural of moose is head-on collision.
I know they are not built for performance, but if it reacts like this when you have to suddenly swerve at 65km, then this is just coffin on wheels.
It is a perfectly fine vehicle especially as an suv. You will not need to swerve like that very much at all ever in your life.
@@Sak-zo1ui and you probaply won't ever need the airbags in your car. It's still good to know that they are there. A car built in this day and age should definitly pass the moose test and not be a rolling coffin.
@@ddeedje4093 it did pass did it not? I dont see a rolled over and crumpled vehicle.
@@Sak-zo1ui if it does that at 65 km/h it surely won't do better at 80 or 90. And those are speeds you easily do on most roads where you might encounter deer or other obstacles you have to avoid.
@@ddeedje4093 if you have to that on a normal road in normal city conditions you have already wrecked. Other suvs handle the same way. Now could this one be better? Yes no doubt. But the vehicle did not roll over the driver was abole to maintain control. This vehicle was most likely built for a fwd awd platform and was not meant to be a hybrid.
0:45 Am I the only one heard "what the hell" in 2X speed😂
Swedish "dom är inte heller godkända..."
I would honestly be scared to go at highway speeds in this. I am so happy to climb into my Civic Sport that actually turns when asked.
Yeah almost got one of these Rav4's for my daughter's 1st car recently, glad I didn't. Now I want to see how the car we bought her performs in this test.
@@Stressless2023 what you bought finally?
@@janjohnny4945 Picked her up a 2020 Ford Edge.
@@Stressless2023 bad choice ford edges are junk cars. they burn oil and cook fries
@@AP-bo1if It's a lease and it's brand new, so no worries there. My mother has a 2011 Ford Edge which is what steered me in that direction for my daughter though, pretty sure she has well over 100k on it, no burning oil, seem like decent cars. I'd just like to know how safe they are now that I saw this video.
This kind of test is very subjective, as far result depends a lot on driving technic
Yes, and most of the regular drivers will fail it. Still, it is very interesting for me if the car can be stirred at this condition.
They should also do the reliability test and compare the two with Toyota Rav4.
I thought he was speaking English for a second. TIL "so what can we say?" is pretty much the same thing in swedish
I’m pretty sure he said that part in English HAHA
@@nicolaasvandenberg4023 they're very similar but a bit different. Run in through Google translate you'll see. There's an extra syllable on the word for "say". Germanic languages for ya I guess...
Vad kan vi säga - what can we say
Toyota has a long history of making drift cars, I guess they just picked the wrong car this time....
Toyota: „Ah shit, here we go again“
Love what you guys do here!
I like how out of all the words, he says "what can we say" in english 😂
Edit 0:55
Edit 2: ok my mistake, people have commented saying he's actually speaking Swedish, it just sounds similar. Thanks for the info guys 👍🏼
no he says it in swedish "så vad kan vi säga"
@@filipdahmer4206 that's 95%+ the way there to how it's said in English
It’s an SUV with a big ground clearance with heavy electric battery. That’s what makes it difficult if it’s handling. It’s just the way it goes
If Toyota plans on FCEV Rav4 version, that should handle more like ICE Rav4.
@@sevencostanza3931 if they have tune the suspension, and more differ stabilizers, it can handle better. And maybe a 1.5” lower.
Tesla Model X and Model Y handles much better in the moose test.
I'm willing to bet my eBoxer Forester can do much better than this.
0:46
"And what the hell are you"
In my country, people hit the incoming traffics, or tree or even people when they did this kind of maneuver. It's not safe. The best way possible to drive the car is to safely driving it and stay alert. Also your claim on the previous rav4 test is absolute bogus. There are several other test made by other people proves that rav4 is still good in that kind of maneuver.
People hit oncoming traffic and trees BECAUSE their cars behave bad in a swerving situation. Driving alert is important, but an emergency can always happen en in that case a car should be stable when you swerve. Almost all new cars handle much better than the cars in this video.
@@losmeets98 but almost all driver cant react to this situation. And it is fuckin dangerous. Atleast in my country. Where fatal accident mostly happen because of dangerous maneuver and reckless driving.
@@rickgrimes4913 It is very dangerous, that's why it is important that cars have good ESC systems to keep them stable. Keep in mind that this systems is for emergencies, for example a child running onto the road or a car pulling out blindly.
All these cars failing the moose test. What's next the same cars failing the shark test in New South Wales, Australia or the Bengal tiger test in India?
This test is like eating a hamburger and then saying that it failed the health test.
All I can picture is the Swedish chef from the Muppets when he talks.
This is more of a tire testing activity than of the vehicle. AND, as tires wear, the grip performance decays exponentially! Here is THE LESSON OUTCOME: Do Not Swerve!!! Hit whatever head on at the slowest speed IN CONTROL of the car. Let go of the steering wheel before the collision. Close eyes. Survive. The car is repairable or replaceable. Thanks
For us old enough who enjoyed cars from the 70s, we are looking forward for these shitty rims and low profile tires fashion to come to an end.
You do know that high-profile tires like the 70s would've made the moose test results 1000x worse, right?
So many vehicles not passing you might as well put out a list of the few that passes.
Good I bought the Suzuki Across instead, that new sporty front grill is sure to fix this :-D
What type of tires? In the US I see a lot of Yokohama and here in Scandinavia I have seen 3 different brands installed on the new RAV4 plugin. So what was installed on the car you tested? And pls also give us the tirepressure.
Exactly, and also what DRIVING MODE was the car in? I believe it has a trail mode which more aggressively engages the AWD.
@@theexmann but isn't the point of the moose test to bbe able to avoid an obstacle during normal driving? If good handling is only available in one specialized mode then it's not very good.
@@faeinthebay True, but it would have been good to know if the car behaved noticeably different depending on what mode it was in too. I believe that some modes might apply the traction control more aggressively which seemed to be the issue in this test. Because with today's high tech cars a lot of the behavior can be adjusted with software updates. In this example, the bad performance was due to the traction control not being applied as quickly. Seems like that can be dealt with through a software update.
You think you can fix a wobbling pregnant camel with other tires and electronics? Toyota does not deliver crap tires on their cars here. It's the cars fault no doubt. Tires are not made to cope with a lean angle that steep with full load. The electronics are surely fighting as hard as it can to keep the traction. It's just a bad type of car with the worst example.
All the stock tires are garbage. Get a set of General RT43s and you'll be golden
Not surprising, considering they stand fairly high off the ground and have a higher center of gravity than sedans/saloons.
It looks like the rear is heavy... just checked it and they say it’s 51:49 f/r that’s pretty good so equal loads.
The suspension is a bit soft but that it ok for an suv, maybe it’s better if you cruise at max 130kph-140kph.
A different tunings of the electronic stability control may be able to induce less rotation of the rear.
A rotation of the rear is good for going fast through corners and is specific to mid engines. The 50:50 cars like bmw are ok with trail braking but not as good as mid engine cars (~45:55 40:60). So this Toyota turns fast but it could turn even faster. But this is not desirable for road safety. You can chose some sticky tires to make it turn fast and have good grip also but it’s high center of gravity and soft springs it’s not ideal.
So the solution is to put wider tires on the rear and try again. Or wider all round which will make the rear rotate at greater forces but it will still rotate.
So it needs 245 wide front and rear
Or 235front 255 rear. That’s what’s on bmw x4 which behaves well and has the same weight and weight distribution
wider tires may make it tip over
This is a suburban kid hauler for young familys. No moose at the malls and soccer practice this is destined for.
Who cares about MOOSE test?? They just want to bash Toyota for any reason...
Swedes do. It's a major cause of raid deaths in the country.
You should publish the video about the xantia! to Show how its done!
try it with air in the tires
next time
LMAO, previous generation handled the same and Toyota admited to it handling badly and fixed it on that version. But they apparently didn't learn, you can find the videos with the Toyota team on this channel.
Well, look at the bright side: at least it doesn't flip over because there's a battery in the bottom.
And unlike other brands, it's still going to be running in the year 2040
Thorough analysis, I’d say. There’s a place for you in my country.
If I live in a moose area, I will make allowances for them, just like I do with the local wildlife.
Hybrid versions of many brands are failing in moose tests. Heavy batterys are the biggest reason haviously. Suspensions can't handle with this big weight transfers.
Especially at the high veichles. Or other suv's like this.
it looks to me like the tires are being overloaded and causing it to fail. i wonder if the other 2 have higher load ratings on the tires and that's why they didn't fail so badly.
It definitely looks as if theres some tire folding going on, even with the low profile tires.
I personally think they need to go faster than 68 KM/42 mph for this test. In freeways ESPECIALLY in California SUVs roll over because so much crap on the road. At least test at 55 mph. I am sure with proper entering in the suspension and electronics can make the test near perfect!
are you saying go faster to be safer ? linear speed increase results exponential kinetic energy increase, that means even more force over tires, suspension and so on. slower speeds are more manageable overall.
This moose test is one of the reasons cars aren't comfortable anymore, every vehicle has to be a sports car
That's not true at all. There are several different Rav4 models to choose from, each with different features and characteristics. No one is forcing anyone to buy a Prime, which is meant to offer a sporty driving experience, which A LOT of people actually like. You can simply choose another trim that suits your needs/wants. Beyond Toyota, there is literally an endless selections of unsporty, boring, benign vehicles to choose from.
A Møøse once bit my car..
Best reply of the day.
😂
Bwahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
the battery pack at the back ...
well actually there is an electric motor at the back axle (and front axle too) And the batteries are in the center, between the axles, so I don't think its "back heavy" if anything, it's still going to be front biased because you still have a gas engine plus an electric motor up front.
@@rmat9023 The hybrid battery is under the rear seats. If they where at the bottom like Tesla's then, things whould be much better for the poor Rav
@@apaaf9553 No, in the plug-in the battery is at the bottom of the car. The full hybrid has it under the seat.
@@apaaf9553 yeah if you google up rav4 prime power train you'll see how it has a skateboard chassis, like a tesla.
Thanks for your work!
Yes thank you for your work
I'm sure Toyota appreciate it
Classic SUV piece of crap performance. It's like watching a hippo trying to dance
this happens more with japonese and american suv , euroepean suv are very refined and handling is refined as well .
@@sokolmiftari3887 lol
@@sokolmiftari3887 What about Mazda CX-5 for example? What you have said is nothing but a nonsense.
Agreed. SUVs are for soccer moms and ladies who are scared when on the road 😉
@@michalstehnij5073 dude thats mini crosover are joking or what
Please don't do this moose test if I'm coming from the opposite direction at the same time.
how are they supposed to do the side impact test, then?
These guys will say anything, this car performs 10 times better in off road tests by Top 8 SUVs tested . It is also the Number 1 SELLING SUV for a reason, notice his tyre pressures are not shown for reviews ???
This is now irrelevant and no lomger true, every RAV 4 will receive, or has already received a VSC software update which prevents this from happening. And the test video with the update is on the same Swedish website, and has been for a while now.
I believe the Japanese guy
And Toyota has implemented this test in their program, for all of their cars.
The regular gas RAV4 has had the problem repaired with a software fix, which is the video you are referring to. But the RAV4 Prime plug-in hybrid has not been repaired or offered a software fix for its moose test failure.
Even though Mitsubishi and the Volvo failed too, at least those 2 are more controllable than the Toyota!
Thanks you for testing. Could you test Toyota Prius Prime/Plug-in it has a big 300kg battery in the trunk. Thank you.
We have tested the Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid (Prime) and it passed the test at a speed of 74 km/h. But the ESC system was not good, it engaged too little and the car has a lot of tendency to skid.
Teknikens Värld wow an informative reply in youtube comments. Respect. Most yt channels don't even look at comments
@@teknikensvarld Thank you so much for the reply and information. I just never saw the video material on youtube :-)
At least it is one of the safest suv in the world in other perspective. 👀 Who cares about this moose test. Pointless in my country. People would still drive like a madman and hit the trees when they tried to do sudden evasive maneuver.
SMH..... when is the last time any RAV4 owner are going to drive like that.
No one drive like that on purpose. But if a moose running up the road, which can happen in sweden, where the test is done, I can promise you you will make a turn like this.
It amazes me that American publications can run similar maneuvers and these vehicles perform excellently. This is the only publication where they tend to “fail”. Maybe this is like the Grand Cherokee test where y’all got caught loading past the payload by hundreds of lbs?
Very unuseful test. In this type of situation, you should brake before the obstacle, not move like a lunatic. If you need to dodge the obstacle, any sane person would at least merge slowly back in his lane... not like that
and the thing is, swerving like this means you enter the opposite lane.. why even swerve.. Totally nope
@@thomassarigiannis You guys really have no clue. Moose test is an incredibly useful test which allows to simulate a dangerous situation. If you drive at night and you can't see an obstacle from a distance, the only thing you can do is avoid it. It would be nice if your car didn't want want to kill you after such a maneuver. It's not really rocket science, but still too much for you I guess
@@jonny_amg6823 Swerving is extremely dangerous. Not only you put yourself at a very deadly situation, but even others in side lanes. And your scenario is just soooo situational.. Drivers in a swerve would instinctly oversteer causing a crash anyway.. As for your irony, well i dont give a fuck for your opinion random youtube stranger. Cheers
@@thomassarigiannis you're clueless. Frankly, I couldn't care less
@@jonny_amg6823 But in the situation you are describing, at night, you should see in front of you. Headlights are for that.
If you can't see in front of you, swerving like that is still dangerous because you can't see if there is something on the other lane.
Even if a car pass the official ''moose test'', nothing guarantee that road condition will allow for a safe manoeuvre (snow, gravel, debris, bad or uneven asphalt, temperature (in cold, tires grip less than in hot temps.) etc.)
All in all, pretty useless test.
And please don't write things like ''I guess it's too much for you guys'' or whatever. You can write an argument like civilised people do... thanks.
Why don't automakers test their vehicles with a moose test prior to production? It would save millions of dollars and save millions of lives.
Because they won't be saving millions of dollars or millions of lives. Reconfiguring the cars to pass the moose test would cost them millions.
And there aren't many people at all who die from circumstances that the moose test would help.
@@CIubDuck that's true. Look at California more rear end collisions happening at less than 35 mph all because of texting.
Mercedes GLE 350de should also be performing in a similar fashion. This is about the placement of battery packs. They are all using the spare wheel space to place battery packs and loading the rear of the car would cause fishtailing in all these models.
I mean, oversteer is savable but understeer is not.
It called drifting. It's an advanced driving technique you don't know.
トヨタアンチジャパニーズが嬉々として叩いてるけど、英語のコメントもほとんどSUVに何求めてんだ？みたいなコメントばっかりやぞ
The rear is too heavy, and the stability control is causing problems, it applied brakes when you're maneuvering (turning sharply), which is a bad idea
all this guy does is talk about how bad toyatas are and how they always fail lmaooo 😂😂
At least they are not ENDLESS MONEY PIT
We dont have moose in my country so no problems ..
Moose test is not about avoiding meese only, it's about avoidance overall. Humans, cars etc.
@@ideadlift20kg83 in RAV4 we don't avoid humans, just crash them... don't step ahead of us.
@@ideadlift20kg83 oww really I didn’t know ;)
The moose is a high profile animal that is not quick to get out of the way.
If you hit a moose it will land in the front seat and kill you.
The PHEV actually did better than the regular Rav 4 which went up on two wheels.
The battery at the center bottom did help keep all 4 wheels down. That at least was impressive
We still bought one and love it
There are moose in Utah where I live but it is rare to collide with one.
A deer is much more common and usually the impact is in the grill and not in the windshield like a moose.
@@Zottyo That is why SUVs are better known as 'ASO-bak' where I live (≈ piece of junk for the anti-social)
At least they don't come close to flipping over like others do...
Still one of the most dependable vehicles out there. Prove me wrong.
RAV4Prime sales before moose test video 1000% amazing, prime sales after this video when drifters see it 10,000,000%. So much for me getting my reserve until it dies down
so much for the safe family car....
In such speed it's more dangerous doing such an uncontrolled maneuver than just break, try to hit the legs, ditch, close your eyes and crash.
Hit the legs? And have the extremely heavy body fall on the windshield? Good luck lol
@@zabu497 Depends on the situation what is possible. Perhaps into the right ditch. Doing like these idiot drivers is almost guaranteed they will run off the road, roll over, hitting a tree or frontal impact on opposite direction lane car or being overrun by a truck to a certain death. Killing innocents and save the moose, LOL.
@@yogajedi3337 hitting a moose is the worst thing you could do. You would have a much better chance of surviving by driving off the road. Also most swedish country roads are rather empty, so this is a perfectly valid maneuver. In fact to get your license there you need to do a practical class on swerving in both summer and winter conditions. It's super fun.
@@zoravar.k7904 That big tree perhaps will welcome you.
@@yogajedi3337 there is usually a clearing bordering roadway in sweden. But even glancing a tree might have a better outcome than a moose, considering the heaviest part of the moose normally smashes into the passenger compartment whilst the legs break against the crumple zone. It's like underrunning a semi trailer.
That's a lot of dislikes, the Toyota fans do not approve
Does Moose Test really depend on only cars? I think it also involves the driver's quick response capability. You guys do these tests like 100 times or more on the test track, but regular people might not respond like you the same way with the best car on the road.
Its just a way to test the cars capability.... not the drivers. Regardless if you are a good or bad driver you dont want a car that will make things worse......
The drivers here are very consistant since they done the tset so many times and its not about "reaction time" since they already know what will happen. If something totally unexpected happens they do the test again. But thats also the whole point... if its a good car nothing unexpected that requires some super reaction will happen in the first place.... Thats what this test is to see....
Sure, miss the moose but slam in to a tractor trailer....
Or hit the ditch, dig in, and roll half a dozen times.
Next time you try inflate the tire to right preasure
Still better than golf
This test is not fair. Some body turn and brake are different, brake harder and softer, steering turn fast and slow. But the speed is fair. So next time used auto pilot system to test the car, Example Tesla.
when you not even trying to drift and making instagram clips
0:20 You can hear the guy laughing his a$$ off in the background lolol... Another solid reason not to get a RAV4 other than making me the most normie man on earth
Are these tests on-throttle or off-throttle?
Toyota’s really gotten lazy over the years, but I guess they can do that when no one can challenge them
The RAV4 Prime has a Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management system that can make literal millisecond adjustments to braking and hybrid system output to prevent a skid, yet it still fails this test...
I suspect part of the oversteer issue is due to rear wheel engagement. Additionally, the large wheels may have something to do with it as well. This may sound strange, but did you check the tire pressure? I went 1000 miles in my Prime before realizing tires were inflated to over 50 psi! That's how they are being shipped from Jpn and the dealerships are not doing the delivery inspection checklist properly!
Хотелось бы больше развернутых обзоров по лосиному тесту.
I still think this test method is quite subjective and I would like to see R&R results before decision.
I did not know that Jürgen Klopp in his free time is test driver
Please do Peugeot 3008 and Opel Grandland, the petrol versions perform very well in this test, even better than premium german sedans
So they fixed the regular RAV4, but never bothered to check and fix the hybrid?
The obsession for SUVs sums up the lack of physics knowledge on a grand scale.i have to share the roads with these things!
It’s called the RAV4 Prime.
Who the f*** needs to drive a family car like that anyway?
It SUV, what do you expect???
Ouch….Toyota Not surprised. Great video
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Toyota can't seem to get this right
Click here for Super Mario saying "what the hell" 0:46
In Thailand we have no moose, So.......
youj do have dogs or humans suddenly crossing the road ;)
@@mikymsr You do have auto emergency breaking...so..... :)
@@ivanshinji3600 you do emergency brake and stop in 2 meters from 60 to 0 kmh? ;) good luck trying to be smart
@@mikymsr In Thailand they dont dodge dogs, its called "hunt" :D :D
@@sten32144 🤣🤣🤣
I have had to swerve a deer at over 100 mph and had no issues with the Prime.
Are you sure you got the right tyre pressure? It looks as if you're rolling the tyres off the rims!
I didn't realise Christian Slater tested cars
Any recommendation for upgrading the suspensions or shock absorber?
Upgrade the car, or live in fear of ever encountering a moose on the road
Toyota calls this AWD "Intelligence"
If you drive land cruiser 7-series, you don't need moose test. Just hit it and make it your dinner.... lol
Who the fuck cares! It is almost impossible to lose control of the car Givin it's truly impeccable stability system
They didn't say in the video what mode the Rav4 Prime was in or what kind of tires were being used. The Rav4 Prime as various modes where some modes engage the AWD system more aggressively than others. Also, the tires that come with it, at least in the USA, are all weather so they are not Winter tires that have better grip.
Winter tires really don't have better dry grip compared to All Weather.
i'm suprised why you said the xc40 didnt pass? What criteria need to be fullfilled. mainly these kind of car shall have a prevention of flipping over. Depending on chassis the ESP need to find a compromise of stability and performance. ISO VDA or other norms do not clearly say what has to be fullfilled. These maneuvers are designed to compare based on benchmarks. If you want to rate based on comparable circumstances drive the sine with dwell according do the NHTSA and especially Fishooks are the most difficult maneuvers you can drive. But as always i tried to motivate car magazines to test this as well. Unfortunality no one does...there is many more interesting maneuvers u wouldn't expect as very interessting to compare cars and stability goals. But still a noce test agsin. Lile your channel......just ask ur friends in gothenburg at Volvo..😉