I like that they put Ohio State up there because it shows they value teams playing tough non-conference games. More teams will schedule tough non-conference games which is what fans love to see.
Adam Prince I I will give it to Penn State they did play pit and Temple but only one the latter which really hurt them and ultimately decided the fate of their season. Ohio State still had the tougher non-conference just based off going to play in Oklahoma who showed by the end of the year to be an excellent team
WOAH, hold on there Adam Prince. You mean to tell me that the Committee favors difficult non-conference games? Then, I employ you. Take a little glance at Washington's non-conference schedule and then say that exact same comment again.
psu had 7 starters out vs michigan. plus at beginning of season. pitt is ranked 25 and beat clemson. michigan has lost 2 of last 3. psu has won 8 straight and are rolling
man ofsteel Say they beat Wisconsin in a close game. Do you think they will go to the Playoff? Not do you think they deserve it, but do you think they will make it in if they win the Big 10
Penn State beating Wisconsin shows everything. We were missing 3 starters for our defense when we played Pitt, and Michigan. He says Pitt like they weren't good but remember... they beat Clemson! In my opinion, Penn state well deserves the playoff spot over Ohio state.
So basically he's saying we should just ignore records and not give the teams that won the games they were supposed to win any credit even though Ohio State lost to Penn State lets not give Penn State credit because it was a fluke because Ohio State is way more talented it doesn't work like that they're are consequences to losing it doesn't matter if Ohio State is the better team they lost And it doesn't matter if Michigan is best team in the Big 10 they lost twice and they should be Penalized meaning they shouldn't be in the Playoffs games aren't won on paper they're won on the field.
Even with a head to head loss though, Ohio State has a better record than Penn State. H2H is usually considered a tiebreaker. The playoff isn't the Big 10. Penn State may be ahead in the Big 10 but overall with out of conference games they are not.
First of all, West, get your facts straight. Every Penn State argument I see is literally just basing it on one thing, there's a plethora of reasons why Ohio State should be ahead. Why would #2 not get in over #7? Why would the team with the better record not make the playoff? Why would a team with a harder schedule and less losses not make it? Why would a team with more points scored and less points allowed get beat out? OSU also beat a team that destroyed PSU. If it wasn't for Iowa vs Michigan, a game that OSU and PSU didn't affect at all OSU would be in the championship game anyway? Literally the only argument is they won their division because of one quarter, and the division shouldn't even matter for non division rankings like the AP Top 25 in the first place. It's clear which team is more deserving. Watch the video and listen to what he's saying. Conference championships mean something but not everything - because they can't explain everything. In this case it shows that the format doesn't always favor the best team(s).
Isaiah Prout no he's saying that if a team like penn state doesn't win 2 games and Ohio state wins all of its other games then they should be ahead regardless of conference championships because it's not close. Ohio state is way better than penn state
Isaiah Prout they ranked teams one to 128. they don't go by conference they just look at the team the only time they enter Conference titles and head to head is if they are equal. Penn State had two losses Ohio State only had one. Ohio States in. that's how it works in the NBA that's how it works in MLB that's how it works in the NFL how can you not get that through your thick head they only use Conference titles and head to head as tiebreakers if the teams are close or have the same record
saying that we should ignore head to head is a little silly I think. Touting stats that support your thinking that OSU is better than Penn State (more yards, ToP) only strengthens the argument that Penn State is actually better..considering they won the game in spite of losing in those statistical categories. Look at common opponents in the same portion of the season (since most people would agree team skill isn't static across the season)...PSU crushed MSU, and OSU struggled against MSU less than two weeks apart. Plus, Pitt has become a quality loss in 2016 (yeah, I said it). USC and Pitt are the only two teams I can think of that have a win over two teams that a currently ranked in the top 10.
I never said Penn State was a playoff team. And I never said that Michigan wasn't good? Also saying that "OSU wins that game 9/10 times" is not good reasoning. We only have data for the one game that was played...and apparently it was the 1/10 that we got, so that's the one we can draw conclusions from.
Joe Richardson Head to head only matters when teams have equal resumes. Penn State has 2 losses and OSU has 1 so head to head should not even be considered. OSU played the toughest schedule in the country while Penn State had a horrible OOC schedule and no quality OOC wins.
eric garcia legitimate argument...but not sure about the 'toughest schedule bit'. According to ESPN, PSU has the 7th best strength of record, and Ohio State has the 2nd best. Bama, like all things (regrettably), is #1.
I think every argument so far is valid, however let's not forget that the mighty Ohio St. not only lost against Penn St. but also struggled against Northwestern, and had overtime wins both against Wisconsin and Michigan. Even though I do think Ohio St. is one of the top 4 teams, we are putting too much emphasis against a victory against Oklahoma, who let's not forget also lost to Houston. After next week I would not have a problem if each conference champion had a trip to the playoffs and Ohio St. was the first one out.
He said don't worry about record then goes on & on about schedule. Tells us not to worry about schedule & scores but worry about stats & eyeball test. Ridiculous.
Joey B Almost losing at home to NC State because NC State can't make a 30 yard field goal then losing at home to Pitt makes you the 2nd best team in cfb HUH!
i dont get why time of possession matter in the Ohio state game. it just means Ohio state had double the time to score more than penn state but there defence was good enough to hold them. yes, it was a fluke but its the result that matter and Ohio state lost.
Well.... You're right about the CFP committee's rankings being childishly simple. But obviously you were dead wrong about Penn State, and so was the CFP committee. PSU lost twice to two GOOD teams, to Pitt by a late FG (top 25 AND beat #3 CLEMSON), and to Michigan in the "big house" with a depleted roster. Otherwise, PSU blew out other conference teams that gave both Michigan and OSU trouble, including Iowa that beat Michigan, and then shredded Wisconsin's defense. As far as the head-to-head with OSU, they absolutely dominated the second half. You say it was special teams only? No way - it was a WHOLE TEAM WIN. You can't just say that's a fluke. Not to mention, OSU had the final 5 minutes after the TD return off the blocked kick to score - and ALL they had to do was kick one field goal just to tie it up. Did they even get past the 50? NO!!!! Here's OSU's final possession - from the 20 after touchback: 1 yd Run 5 yd Pass False Start Penalty on OSU (-5) 15 yd Pass 4 yd Pass 3 yd Pass 8 yd Pass Incomplete Incomplete Sack Sack Turnover on Downs GAME OVER
Nah, you can't leave WA out .... No way should they drop after smashing the #8 coming in ... What we need is more playoff teams, I think were all being cheated out of great football games doing it this way....
242okil I wouldn't say inconsistent I would say unpredictable which is why I don't get how someone can say with confidence they aren't going to win more than one game....
242okil as a die hard giants fan I'm honored to have watched eli over the years with every qb you have to take the good with the bad and he gets extremely little credit for the good but his ability to command an offense is a beautiful thing to watch
Do any of you guys acknowledge the the difference between the college football playoff and any other college sport playoff platform. The CFP is subjective still!!!! The playoffs by definition are the opportunity for teams to settle whose best on the field. The number one element that matters most is winning! The NCAA basketball tournament is based on winning not by how much or by any other stats. The NCAA baseball playoff, the hockey playoff, track and field championships, wrestling, volleyball and every other sport uses a system of criteria which when satisfied, means you qualify. I know one of he limiting factors for football is the number of games played by teams that would compete for a championship. Injuries in football are par for the course. Get over it because the players did sign up for this. The playoffs should be able to allow every major college conference champion, period. That puts us at 5 champions automatically qualifying. The other at large teams are seeded 6, 7 and 8. Use the rankings to to seed the champions 1-5 then add teams 6-8 in an 8 team bracket and let them have at it. The power 5 conference champs are automatic bids. The at large are the MAC, Mountain West and the wild card team who would be the team who had the best year and not a conference champion. This team would be your 8 seed. That would make Ohio State who is this year's best non conference champion face the number one seed Alabama in the first round. Why is that fair? The answer is criteria. Everything about college screams CRITERIA. Graduation requirements, recruiting, eligibility, financial aid, you name it. In order to have unbiased, achievable success that is is 100 percent credited to the team and not a committee, you need criteria. The NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB, BOXING, Wrestling and any other sport only values on thing above everything else: Winning! Win your conference, period. Be a champion! To give a Cinderella element to a team who should be considered among the best but not a champion, they get to be the 8th seed. The consequence is you play the #1 seed first. That true in every sport. The Media who is influenced by history, discounts the right for new teams to make history. How can a Western Michigan play for a national title? They should have a right to answer all questions on the field because they are a champion! Penn State should play in a playoff game to try to win a national title because they are a champion. They are the champions of the best conference in the country. If you don't like Penn State, then your team shouldn't have lost to them. Penn State is the BIG TEN Champion because they satisfied the criteria to be in that game and then they won it! Michigan and Ohio State want the rewards of a champion without satisfying the criteria. In order to get rewards and fail to satisfy criteria you need favor. Someone has to like you or respect you MORE than they respect criteria. Criteria is the one thing that make everything fair and authentic. Could you graduate any level of school without satisfying the graduation criteria? If so, then that school is corrupt. That's why there are NCAA compliance regulators to make sure all NCAA schools follow the rules that everyone else has to follow. Why is the college football playoff and different? That makes it not fair and the NCAA needs to fix it ASAP!
The committee pretty much got it right. The top 4 is perfect. But I would put Oklahoma at 5, Michigan 6 and Pen stays 7. If Pen State destroys Wisconsin Id put Pen at 4 and drop Ohio State out.
eric garcia They arnt, Offense was sloppy 2nd half of the season, So again if Penn State drops 40+ and allows under 20. I want them in. Its the same reason Ohio State got in 2014. Ohio State isn't playing a conf game, That's a free no loss for them. While Penn is playing another game on top of already beating Ohio State. You can not play for a conference title IN A CONF THAT HAS ONE and not face some form of a consequence if things fall a certain way.
Matthew Crawford Not really? Top talent wise Penn has played Michigan(Lost) Ohio State (won) And they are gonna play Wisconsin for a BIG 10 championship Lets say (win) for the sake of if they lose they are out regardless. While Ohio State played Oklahoma (won) Wisconsin (won) Penn State (Lost) And Michigan (Won). Ohio State has 1 more big win than Penn. But they lose the head to head with Penn State on top of not competing for a conference title. Id give the edge to Penn State but thankfully that's not my call to make.
Penn state lost to Pittsburg. Michigan lost to Iowa. That alone should prevent them from going to the playoffs if the top 4 teams ran the table. Plus... Oenn State didn't beat Ohio State... Ohio State CRACKED. Their dub vs the buckeyes are overblown.
Pitt lost to 3 teams by 1 possession and all to teams that have all been ranked during the season. They beat Clemson on the road and psu obviously. Iowa has only 2 iffy loses both by 1 possession and blew out Nebraska in addition to beating Michigan. I agree that neither team should be in the playoffs but your rationale is way off
I don't care how good you are as a team, if you lose two games you don't deserve to be in the playoff. I know he's saying records aren't everything, but if you're THAT GOOD you won't lose those two games.
“Ohio State was clearly the better team. Their special teams killed them.” I’m sorry but isn’t special teams a part of the team. Isn’t it a part of football?!?!?!
Once again, Cowherd's opinion is half-baked nonsense. If he's going by a theory that Penn St goes ahead of Ohio State on a basis of head-to-head record, then Pitt should come out and claim that they should rank ahead of Penn St regardless of the overall record, see how things just get messed up real quick? Penn St having 2 losses really takes them out of any right of being ahead of Ohio State no matter what. Having better overall record always takes priority over head-to-head record, I mean Washington fans could say they are better than Alabama and they may very well be, but having 1 loss takes away any validity of such claim until proven wrong on the field, and it should be that way. And comparing college football to NFL is totally wrong again on Cowherd's part, because a NFL team plays the same 4 teams twice every season, and the level of competition is clearly different depending upon which division it is, not to mention the dynamics of having to play the same team twice in a season four times. It's amazing how much BS Cowherd is spouting off these days, I never got an impression that he was this bad.
Cowherd isn't arguing that Penn St should be ahead of ohio st, he agreed ohio st was better. He just wishes the committee would have more guts and put USC and Oklahoma, both of which are clearly better, in front of Penn St. And he wasn't comparing the level of competition of the NFL and NCCAA either, he was making a point about how weak the selection committee is, because they'd put the Giants above the Broncos
The committee's job is to be as objective as possible, not cater to subjective fanboys like Cowherd. Ranking the teams based on overall record goes without saying, that has been pretty much how the rankings have been like in college football so why even make a case about it now? As for NFL comparison, I'm saying overall record for NFL does not have the same context of the college football in the first place so using NFL as an analogy by Cowherd is simply wrong. I think he mentioned Giants and Chiefs, not Broncos, but in any case, NFL is so much about individual match-ups instead of the overall talent of the roster that it's not easy to project the outcome of the game between any two teams if they haven't played each other yet. But NFL system isn't perfect either, as a weak division will still be guaranteed a playoff spot for the top team even if they have a losing record, and teams in other divisions with winning records may not get a spot, this is clearly not a fair system either.
His point is that the committee is garbage, and well obviously you're one of those people cowherd says is paralyzed by the records. No one wants to see Washington v. Alabama over Michigan v. Bama. Washington is winning in a weak PAC12 and lost to a USC team that lost to bama by 52-6. So if the committee really was trying to be "as objective as possible," they should probably put michigan in the 4 spot.
the committee did a great job Colin it's not just records. Alabama is the clear number 1 so you can't even question why they are there. Ohio st is the best best one loss team and only lost to a top 10 team. They are the only team in the country whose only loss is to another top 10 team. On the road. In somewhat flukish manner. They are a clear number 2. Who exactly would colin put above Clemson that has a lesser record? Washington is the one team that I could say you could move out despite their record but even then they played 1 bad game. Other than that they have blown out everyone basically. As for 6 and 7. The committee is 1000% right for saying sorry Wisconsin and Penn State but you both lost to Michigan and Penn State you shouldn't have even been on the field with them. So no you are not jumping michigan. Even if with a conference "championship" (the team with the best record is Ohio State last time I checked they have one loss) it doesn't matter Michigan would have beaten the big 10 champion and the team the big 10 champion beat. Sorry but you aren't climbing over that wall. As for Colorado they can't jump michigan even if they win their conference. Michigan beat you and knocked out your quarterback. Sit down. That leaves the two oklahoma teams. OU lost to Ohio state badly and Oklahoma state lost to a team i've never heard of. Controversial or not the game should have never been that close if you are a top 10 team. Every team in the top 4 would have beat that team by at least 4 touchdowns. So Colin what exactly is your beef with the top 10 because it's pretty spot on by the comittee. The only debatable teams are Washington and Michigan and maybe even clemson but the committee has them all bunched together at 3,4, and 5 and they even said it was close.
AlphaDwg bro penn state wasn't even ranked up until one game after they beat osu. So TBH osu doesn't deserve to be in. Nor does Clemson. Osu and Clemson cheated so many games to win this year it's ridiculous
Cowherd is 100% right. Go off of strength of schedule paired with point differential and you will get a very solid ranking that is pretty close. If you use records it skews it for weak scheduled teams
what people seem to forget is that ohio state had to play two back to back games (both prime time) and with both Wisconsin and Penn state having a week of resting and preparing for ohio state. Ohio state schedule this year seemed to be "tiger proofed" to me.
This is just my opinion but I think that Penn State should be higher than just 7. Everyone knows that Ohio has the more talented roster and the better coacing staff but football is played on the field and not on paper. Penn State beat OSU which is the number two ranked team, I dont think they should be above Ohio but they have to be higher than 7.
a LOT of people are crying about Ohio State making it over Penn St, but the problem is you people want one criteria to exist at the exclusion of all other criteria. If H2H matters so much, PSU has no justification for being ahead of Michigan. PSU had TWO metrics in their favor, as compared to Ohio State, and about 12 against them. their resumes weren't. even. close. at least the committee has been consistent in their assessment of resumes in the entire, huge 3 year history of the CFP. anyone who tries to whine otherwise are simply mad because their favorite team wasn't handed a Playoff spot.
Lets not forget Pitt also beat Clemson, a top 4 team. OSU beat Michigan State by ONE point TWO weeks ago. PSU beat Michigan State by 33 last week. OSU and Michigan had very strong starts to the season, but have been struggling as of late. OSU has BARELY won their last two games. Look at what PSU has accomplished later in the season. Destroyed Michigan State, destroyed Iowa. Can OSU or Michigan say the same? Can OSU or Michigan say they are the division champs? Nope. The argument that OSU is "clearly better" than PSU is asinine. In sports, the only way to settle who the question of the better team is by head to head matchups. PSU came out with the W. How about you also bring up sacks and tackles for loss from the OSU/PSU game? Don't tell half the story. A win is a win.
Mike V If Penn State is in because they beat OSU than Michgan is over them due to head to head. H2H should matter obviously but not as much as resume. OSU has the 2nd best resume behind Bama
Mike V Washington will not do any better. They will get their doors blown off. Michigan for sure would hold their own way better than Washington in play offs.
Mike V No arguments from me there. I'm just using your logic that Penn State should be a shoe in because they beat OSU. If that is true Michgan would be because they beat Penn State. Resume matters, and obviously OSU>Penn>Michgan
I think that we can all agree that Michigan, Penn State, and OSU should be in over Washington. They are going to get rolled by Alabama. The committee is all kinds of wacked this year. They said they want the 4 best teams in football to be in playoffs, but then they put Washington in because of their record. But we have to remember Washington is in one of the poorest competition conferences. If they want the 4 best teams, it should be Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and Clemson (no specific order other than Bama at 1).
Penn State only lost when they were down 5 linebackers, 2 starting secondary players, 1 starting DT, 1 starting DE, & were learning a new offensive system but hey let's look back to week 4 for the last time they lost instead of realizing they're not the same team they were at the beginning of the season & let's let a Michigan team who has lost 2 of its last 3 & both teams they lost to Penn State beat & not only did they beat Iowa they destroyed Iowa & then the next week Iowa beats Michigan, but yes let's keep Michigan at 5 & Penn State at 7 😂
But Colin what by some measure of catastrophe that Alabama , Washington, Clemson were to lose their conference title games, and Penn State wins, and Oklahoma wins their glorified Big 12 title game over West Virginia, how would the Committee handle that?
My PERSONAL opinion was 1. bama 2. Clemson 3.Ohio 4. Penn to me washington had a great season but their schedule was awful. Not trying to start arguments.
Michigan lost 2 of their last 3 games and they're #5? The fix is in and boy does it stink. Louisville dropped like a lead weight when they lost. Washington #4? Give me a break committee. Let's not play a schedule next year and you just put your favorites in the top 4. The only one that should be there is The Crimson Tide, as usual.
Tom Lloyd I personally do not think they have Michigan ranked high enough. They took Ohio State into double OT in Ohio State. Also, realistically Michigan did win that game against Ohio State if we have a correct first down spot. Washington will get their doors blown off by whoever they play in the playoffs. On the other hand, Michigan would definitely hold their own in playoffs.
What? They're based on records because that's who the best teams are. You want to put Penn State over Wisconsin? Go ahead. It's still by record. Their isn't any team that has an argument this year to be ahead of a team with a better record. Michigan shouldn't be ahead of Washington, and Michigan is the best 2 loss team and Washington is the worst 1 loss team. Maybe Oklahoma over Colorado? It's not sorted by record, it's the best team. If it was sorted by record then Western Michigan would be the 2, according to that theory. Also, if it's by record then why isn't West Virginia (10-2) ahead of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State? I agree with you on a lot of things but you are wrong about this one.
How can you say that ohio state had the better roster and team than penn state that game? THEY LOST. Sure you can say that it was because of special teams but as far as im concerned special teams is part of the team too. Plenty of games are decided by who has the better special teams that day. That was not a fluke win at all, penn states defense also played outstanding the whole second half.
awill19 That punishes teams for playing hardet out of confrence teams. So if UNC played Liberty, Ohio, and UMass as their out of confrence teams but lost two ACC games they would be 10-2. But VT plays Bama, Washington, and Ohio State and lose all 3 but won all ACC games theyd be 9-3. In your opinion a 9-3 VT with losses to 3 top 5 teams shouldnt make it in over a team with losses to Duke and GT? (this is all hypothetical btw. none of this actually happened.)
awill19 That's not how it works at all. The NCAA has no power over scheduling. schools have to play their confrence and 3 OOC teams. Two schools will agree to a game and that's how you get the out of confrence (OOC) games. Changing this would ruin CFB for what it is. Schools schedule their teams, not the NCAA. I fixed schedule would ruin all the great rivalries and matchups we see every year. Also you cant just easily make a balanced schedule for 128 teams. The NFL they can because of how divisions work and their is only 32 teams.
josh mcdonald I believe you could make it work. It would take the formation of another association that would include the Power 5 conferences and the addition of some other group of 5 teams. Then you would re align the conferences to make all conferences the same amount teams. Most rivalries would be taken care of by being in the same conference. Sure some would fade, but others would develop. Unbalanced scheduling and un-even conferences cause this constant debate and questioning. The question is do you want it fixed or do you want to have an argument everytime this happens. I get it, a lot of people like the drama and chaos of it all. I'm just not one of those people.
But how are you gonna decide how to even out conferences? Because teams are cyclical. Take Alabama the last 10 years. They have been dominant. The decade before that they were a laughing stock. Texas was good the decade before, but has struggled this decade. You would constantly be reshuffling conferences to try and balance them out every 5-10 years.And nobody want's their rivalries to die.
"They should be #4" They should be higher up" "They don't deserve to be in the top 4" Blah blah blah blah...... Just remember you're either playing Alabama or OSU in the first game of the playoffs. If its OSU you may have a shot to get to the championship. If its Alabama..... Hey your team made it to the playoffs. #RollTide
Well Ohio State did have Ezekiel Elliott that year! And he absolutely dominated! If Bama gets dismantled like that this year in the playoffs, I'll come back and eat my own words. Bama has been rolling lately and so I find them hard to beat for any team, but if we do, then I'll come back and admit defeat to a better team. Although I don't think Ohio or anyone has an Ezekiel Elliott in the back field though.
LOL people are all biasing their arguments off one head to head because thats the most fair way to say someone is better than another. You can say all you want to but the reality is that penn state came out and did what they had to do and Ohio didnt get it done end of story-
if yu watch college football n know football trust me no one wants to play SC say what yu want but most people just look at scores not knowing anything about the teams and just assume. SC is rolling now with Sam at Qb n he'll be mentioned as a heisman canidate next season. USC would give any of those top 4 teams a game. For anybody thinking otherwise dont know football. SC God forbid any injuries will be a top 4 team next year n competing for that natty baby #Fight on we on our way back to the top where we belong. dem Trojans you know what it is.
Oklahoma was injured when they played Ohio State. Dede Westbrook, the number one player in college football, was injured. Oklahoma would beat them if they played right now.
Colin you look at the stats that favor your point. Seems to me that he didn't watch the PSU osu game. Cause if they are sooooo much better how is it that PSU won??? Get your ish together
But you were basically implying PSU is better than OSU just because of one game. So I was asking if you think Pitt is better than PSU...I don't. As Colin said OSU had more than 150 yards, almost double the time of possession, more first downs, etc. but that's football...you only get one game and PSU won. It happens
John Furlong I think penn state is a better team right now than Pitt. But Pitt was a better team week two . Penn state didn't have there season turn around until the Minnesota game. The team and the coach progressed immensely through the season. I honestly believe if we were to play Michigan again we would beat them.
Nope nope nope nope. The Top 4 teams are chosen by how good they performed in the season, not by how good they are. So yeah although Michigan would probably destroy Washington at the end of the day Washington performed better in the season so they get to be in the playoffs. For those still not convinced, I'll put it this way. Imagine there's a science class and the top 15 kids in the class get to take AP science next year and the bottom 15 have to take non AP science. The final spot comes down to two students: Joe and Albert. Joe isn't that smart but he was able to get a 91. Meanwhile, Albert got a 2400 on his SAT but he only got a 90 in the class. In this situation, I'm pretty sure most of you would pick Joe to move on, even though Albert is the smarter student. Same thing with college football. It's about how well you performed, not how good you are.
Ohio state is clearly NOT better than penn state especially right now. Penn state right now is the best team in the Big 10. I would love to have an actual argument with you. Special teams is a part of the team so ohio states special teams wasn't good enough to help them beat penn state. Didn't ohio state struggle against MSU? You also have to put in account when both teams played michigan. And Pitt be clemson too so obviously pitt isn't too bad if you're keeping clemson in the top 4 with an easier schedule than penn state.
Obviously he doesn't. He couldn't beat penn state and he struggled against a bad Michigan state team. Penn state is playing better football and is the better team right now. If you deny that its probably because you're an Ohio state fan and you're being bias.
Jason Burger I hate to say this because I am a die hard Michigan fan. But Ohio State is way better than Penn state. OSU and Michigan would hold their own way better in playoffs than Penn state.
And I'd like to say you're right I really would buy Michigan was playing pretty poorly the few weeks leading up to the OSU game. OSU beat Michigan state by 1...penn state rolled MSU. MSU was all over Ohio state and should've just took it to overtime instead of trying to go for two because they actually would've had a shot to win in OT. Ohio state has very little chance against a good defense and can't outscore and hold a good offense like Clemson and Alabama or even Washington. They are not a complete team right now. Penn state is playing as good if not better football than anybody else right now. They're playing tight defense and putting up good numbers on offense.
You have some good points. I think that we can all agree that Michigan, OSU, and Penn State should definitely be in over Washington. They are going to get rolled by Alabama. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State would have a better chance than Washington.
"Three loses makes you Purdue." That might be the funniest line I've ever heard
I like that they put Ohio State up there because it shows they value teams playing tough non-conference games. More teams will schedule tough non-conference games which is what fans love to see.
Adam Prince I I will give it to Penn State they did play pit and Temple but only one the latter which really hurt them and ultimately decided the fate of their season. Ohio State still had the tougher non-conference just based off going to play in Oklahoma who showed by the end of the year to be an excellent team
WOAH, hold on there Adam Prince. You mean to tell me that the Committee favors difficult non-conference games? Then, I employ you. Take a little glance at Washington's non-conference schedule and then say that exact same comment again.
We get it Colin, you love USC and hate Penn State.
psu had 7 starters out vs michigan. plus at beginning of season. pitt is ranked 25 and beat clemson. michigan has lost 2 of last 3. psu has won 8 straight and are rolling
man ofsteel Do you think Penn State can beat Wisconsin?
yes. they are really hot right now.
man ofsteel Say they beat Wisconsin in a close game. Do you think they will go to the Playoff? Not do you think they deserve it, but do you think they will make it in if they win the Big 10
7 starters = 39 points. Yea OK
having people sit down and choose who plays for the championship is always going to be ridiculous.
Penn State beating Wisconsin shows everything. We were missing 3 starters for our defense when we played Pitt, and Michigan. He says Pitt like they weren't good but remember... they beat Clemson! In my opinion, Penn state well deserves the playoff spot over Ohio state.
So basically he's saying we should just ignore records and not give the teams that won the games they were supposed to win any credit even though Ohio State lost to Penn State lets not give Penn State credit because it was a fluke because Ohio State is way more talented it doesn't work like that they're are consequences to losing it doesn't matter if Ohio State is the better team they lost And it doesn't matter if Michigan is best team in the Big 10 they lost twice and they should be Penalized meaning they shouldn't be in the Playoffs games aren't won on paper they're won on the field.
Even with a head to head loss though, Ohio State has a better record than Penn State. H2H is usually considered a tiebreaker.
The playoff isn't the Big 10. Penn State may be ahead in the Big 10 but overall with out of conference games they are not.
HDRookie It doesn't matter Penn State won the Big 10 west not Ohio State
First of all, West, get your facts straight.
Every Penn State argument I see is literally just basing it on one thing, there's a plethora of reasons why Ohio State should be ahead.
Why would #2 not get in over #7?
Why would the team with the better record not make the playoff?
Why would a team with a harder schedule and less losses not make it?
Why would a team with more points scored and less points allowed get beat out?
OSU also beat a team that destroyed PSU. If it wasn't for Iowa vs Michigan, a game that OSU and PSU didn't affect at all OSU would be in the championship game anyway?
Literally the only argument is they won their division because of one quarter, and the division shouldn't even matter for non division rankings like the AP Top 25 in the first place. It's clear which team is more deserving. Watch the video and listen to what he's saying. Conference championships mean something but not everything - because they can't explain everything. In this case it shows that the format doesn't always favor the best team(s).
Isaiah Prout no he's saying that if a team like penn state doesn't win 2 games and Ohio state wins all of its other games then they should be ahead regardless of conference championships because it's not close. Ohio state is way better than penn state
Isaiah Prout they ranked teams one to 128. they don't go by conference they just look at the team the only time they enter Conference titles and head to head is if they are equal. Penn State had two losses Ohio State only had one. Ohio States in. that's how it works in the NBA that's how it works in MLB that's how it works in the NFL how can you not get that through your thick head they only use Conference titles and head to head as tiebreakers if the teams are close or have the same record
Who are your Top 4 teams in college football?
Colin Cowherd Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson and USC 5
saying that we should ignore head to head is a little silly I think. Touting stats that support your thinking that OSU is better than Penn State (more yards, ToP) only strengthens the argument that Penn State is actually better..considering they won the game in spite of losing in those statistical categories. Look at common opponents in the same portion of the season (since most people would agree team skill isn't static across the season)...PSU crushed MSU, and OSU struggled against MSU less than two weeks apart. Plus, Pitt has become a quality loss in 2016 (yeah, I said it). USC and Pitt are the only two teams I can think of that have a win over two teams that a currently ranked in the top 10.
I never said Penn State was a playoff team. And I never said that Michigan wasn't good? Also saying that "OSU wins that game 9/10 times" is not good reasoning. We only have data for the one game that was played...and apparently it was the 1/10 that we got, so that's the one we can draw conclusions from.
Joe Richardson Head to head only matters when teams have equal resumes. Penn State has 2 losses and OSU has 1 so head to head should not even be considered. OSU played the toughest schedule in the country while Penn State had a horrible OOC schedule and no quality OOC wins.
eric garcia
legitimate argument...but not sure about the 'toughest schedule bit'. According to ESPN, PSU has the 7th best strength of record, and Ohio State has the 2nd best. Bama, like all things (regrettably), is #1.
Alabama
Ohio state
Clemson
Michigan
Remove Clemson and insert UDub and you nailed it.
abe zokari no because the Bama and Michigan game is basically the national championship. That's a great game. Any other would be mediocre.
Ameer Marbury hahahahahahahahahahahaha nope with a good qb you can't beat bama
None of those teams wants to play USC
Bigmofo 1138 Alabama begs to differ. In fact they already destroyed them!
all usc is is fast bro
6-52 sit down
Pablo Rivas SC changed QB's since then and are a far better team than began the season..hey they already beat Washington
+impassable u kno who else so bama putting 49 on SCs defense had what exactly to do with the QB ?
I think every argument so far is valid, however let's not forget that the mighty Ohio St. not only lost against Penn St. but also struggled against Northwestern, and had overtime wins both against Wisconsin and Michigan. Even though I do think Ohio St. is one of the top 4 teams, we are putting too much emphasis against a victory against Oklahoma, who let's not forget also lost to Houston. After next week I would not have a problem if each conference champion had a trip to the playoffs and Ohio St. was the first one out.
He said don't worry about record then goes on & on about schedule. Tells us not to worry about schedule & scores but worry about stats & eyeball test. Ridiculous.
Here's a crazy idea, how about we get rid of the committee and rankings and create a tiered relegation system where teams decide who wins.
Bama, Clemson, Ohio state and Michigan
Joey B nailed it
Joey B TBH Ohio state and Clemson doesn't deserve top 5
OSU has the best resume of any CFB team why would they not deserve to be in the top 5?
Ameer Marbury dude, Clemson is Hands down the 2nd best cfb team, in my opinion
Joey B Almost losing at home to NC State because NC State can't make a 30 yard field goal then losing at home to Pitt makes you the 2nd best team in cfb HUH!
Alabama
Ohio State
Michigan
Clemson
i dont get why time of possession matter in the Ohio state game. it just means Ohio state had double the time to score more than penn state but there defence was good enough to hold them. yes, it was a fluke but its the result that matter and Ohio state lost.
The numbers Colin said and the fingers he put up didn't match at all
1 Alabama 2 Ohio state 3 Michigan 4 Clemson/Washington
Deangelo Carter
I agree with this
Well.... You're right about the CFP committee's rankings being childishly simple. But obviously you were dead wrong about Penn State, and so was the CFP committee. PSU lost twice to two GOOD teams, to Pitt by a late FG (top 25 AND beat #3 CLEMSON), and to Michigan in the "big house" with a depleted roster.
Otherwise, PSU blew out other conference teams that gave both Michigan and OSU trouble, including Iowa that beat Michigan, and then shredded Wisconsin's defense.
As far as the head-to-head with OSU, they absolutely dominated the second half. You say it was special teams only? No way - it was a WHOLE TEAM WIN. You can't just say that's a fluke.
Not to mention, OSU had the final 5 minutes after the TD return off the blocked kick to score - and ALL they had to do was kick one field goal just to tie it up. Did they even get past the 50? NO!!!!
Here's OSU's final possession - from the 20 after touchback:
1 yd Run
5 yd Pass
False Start Penalty on OSU (-5)
15 yd Pass
4 yd Pass
3 yd Pass
8 yd Pass
Incomplete
Incomplete
Sack
Sack
Turnover on Downs
GAME OVER
Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, Michigan...Wisconsin at 4 IF they win the Big 10 championship
Nah, you can't leave WA out .... No way should they drop after smashing the #8 coming in ... What we need is more playoff teams, I think were all being cheated out of great football games doing it this way....
how do you know the giants or chiefs won't win multiple playoff games? terrible comparison imo
giants are very very inconsistent is why but chiefs no they play consistent
242okil I wouldn't say inconsistent I would say unpredictable which is why I don't get how someone can say with confidence they aren't going to win more than one game....
unpredictables a good word but i cant trust eli at all
242okil as a die hard giants fan I'm honored to have watched eli over the years with every qb you have to take the good with the bad and he gets extremely little credit for the good but his ability to command an offense is a beautiful thing to watch
Yeah well the Giants were obviously inconsistent in 2007 and 2011.... but won the Super Bowl.
Do any of you guys acknowledge the the difference between the college football playoff and any other college sport playoff platform. The CFP is subjective still!!!! The playoffs by definition are the opportunity for teams to settle whose best on the field. The number one element that matters most is winning! The NCAA basketball tournament is based on winning not by how much or by any other stats. The NCAA baseball playoff, the hockey playoff, track and field championships, wrestling, volleyball and every other sport uses a system of criteria which when satisfied, means you qualify. I know one of he limiting factors for football is the number of games played by teams that would compete for a championship. Injuries in football are par for the course. Get over it because the players did sign up for this. The playoffs should be able to allow every major college conference champion, period. That puts us at 5 champions automatically qualifying. The other at large teams are seeded 6, 7 and 8. Use the rankings to to seed the champions 1-5 then add teams 6-8 in an 8 team bracket and let them have at it. The power 5 conference champs are automatic bids. The at large are the MAC, Mountain West and the wild card team who would be the team who had the best year and not a conference champion. This team would be your 8 seed. That would make Ohio State who is this year's best non conference champion face the number one seed Alabama in the first round. Why is that fair? The answer is criteria. Everything about college screams CRITERIA. Graduation requirements, recruiting, eligibility, financial aid, you name it. In order to have unbiased, achievable success that is is 100 percent credited to the team and not a committee, you need criteria. The NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB, BOXING, Wrestling and any other sport only values on thing above everything else: Winning! Win your conference, period. Be a champion! To give a Cinderella element to a team who should be considered among the best but not a champion, they get to be the 8th seed. The consequence is you play the #1 seed first. That true in every sport.
The Media who is influenced by history, discounts the right for new teams to make history. How can a Western Michigan play for a national title? They should have a right to answer all questions on the field because they are a champion! Penn State should play in a playoff game to try to win a national title because they are a champion. They are the champions of the best conference in the country. If you don't like Penn State, then your team shouldn't have lost to them. Penn State is the BIG TEN Champion because they satisfied the criteria to be in that game and then they won it! Michigan and Ohio State want the rewards of a champion without satisfying the criteria. In order to get rewards and fail to satisfy criteria you need favor. Someone has to like you or respect you MORE than they respect criteria. Criteria is the one thing that make everything fair and authentic. Could you graduate any level of school without satisfying the graduation criteria? If so, then that school is corrupt. That's why there are NCAA compliance regulators to make sure all NCAA schools follow the rules that everyone else has to follow. Why is the college football playoff and different? That makes it not fair and the NCAA needs to fix it ASAP!
Love the Herd!
The committee pretty much got it right. The top 4 is perfect. But I would put Oklahoma at 5, Michigan 6 and Pen stays 7. If Pen State destroys Wisconsin Id put Pen at 4 and drop Ohio State out.
Ohio state is a lock no matter what happens
eric garcia They arnt, Offense was sloppy 2nd half of the season, So again if Penn State drops 40+ and allows under 20. I want them in. Its the same reason Ohio State got in 2014. Ohio State isn't playing a conf game, That's a free no loss for them. While Penn is playing another game on top of already beating Ohio State. You can not play for a conference title IN A CONF THAT HAS ONE and not face some form of a consequence if things fall a certain way.
? ? that response was ment for you idk why I tagged him lol sorry.
strong Brett1 Penn St's schedule is much easier than Ohio St's.
Matthew Crawford Not really? Top talent wise Penn has played Michigan(Lost) Ohio State (won) And they are gonna play Wisconsin for a BIG 10 championship Lets say (win) for the sake of if they lose they are out regardless. While Ohio State played Oklahoma (won) Wisconsin (won) Penn State (Lost) And Michigan (Won). Ohio State has 1 more big win than Penn. But they lose the head to head with Penn State on top of not competing for a conference title. Id give the edge to Penn State but thankfully that's not my call to make.
Maybe because Minnesota's a good football team? CC seems to forget that Penn State struggled against Minnesota at home as well
Exactly
stop having Conference Championships
Penn state lost to Pittsburg. Michigan lost to Iowa. That alone should prevent them from going to the playoffs if the top 4 teams ran the table. Plus... Oenn State didn't beat Ohio State... Ohio State CRACKED. Their dub vs the buckeyes are overblown.
Kambui Bomani Clemson lost to Pitt so they're out to?
Pitt lost to 3 teams by 1 possession and all to teams that have all been ranked during the season. They beat Clemson on the road and psu obviously. Iowa has only 2 iffy loses both by 1 possession and blew out Nebraska in addition to beating Michigan. I agree that neither team should be in the playoffs but your rationale is way off
Caven Wade sure but nobody has jumped up to take their spot yet
bama, OSU, Clemson, psu
I don't care how good you are as a team, if you lose two games you don't deserve to be in the playoff. I know he's saying records aren't everything, but if you're THAT GOOD you won't lose those two games.
when they impliment a real play off system , this will stop being a issue
“Ohio State was clearly the better team. Their special teams killed them.” I’m sorry but isn’t special teams a part of the team. Isn’t it a part of football?!?!?!
Biggest bs in college football Penn State completely deserve that ranking and this still brings me pain to this day
Me trying to look for Clemson and Washington's quality wins to put them ahead of Michigan:
_austinsteeby_ Look no further than Michgan's two losses.
Once again, Cowherd's opinion is half-baked nonsense.
If he's going by a theory that Penn St goes ahead of Ohio State on a basis of head-to-head record, then Pitt should come out and claim that they should rank ahead of Penn St regardless of the overall record, see how things just get messed up real quick?
Penn St having 2 losses really takes them out of any right of being ahead of Ohio State no matter what.
Having better overall record always takes priority over head-to-head record, I mean Washington fans could say they are better than Alabama and they may very well be, but having 1 loss takes away any validity of such claim until proven wrong on the field, and it should be that way.
And comparing college football to NFL is totally wrong again on Cowherd's part, because a NFL team plays the same 4 teams twice every season, and the level of competition is clearly different depending upon which division it is, not to mention the dynamics of having to play the same team twice in a season four times.
It's amazing how much BS Cowherd is spouting off these days, I never got an impression that he was this bad.
uh, hes saying Ohio St deserves it over Penn St. Not sure what clip you are listening to
Cowherd isn't arguing that Penn St should be ahead of ohio st, he agreed ohio st was better. He just wishes the committee would have more guts and put USC and Oklahoma, both of which are clearly better, in front of Penn St. And he wasn't comparing the level of competition of the NFL and NCCAA either, he was making a point about how weak the selection committee is, because they'd put the Giants above the Broncos
So why is he whining about the committee being gutless? What is his point? He doesn't have a point.
The committee's job is to be as objective as possible, not cater to subjective fanboys like Cowherd. Ranking the teams based on overall record goes without saying, that has been pretty much how the rankings have been like in college football so why even make a case about it now?
As for NFL comparison, I'm saying overall record for NFL does not have the same context of the college football in the first place so using NFL as an analogy by Cowherd is simply wrong.
I think he mentioned Giants and Chiefs, not Broncos, but in any case, NFL is so much about individual match-ups instead of the overall talent of the roster that it's not easy to project the outcome of the game between any two teams if they haven't played each other yet.
But NFL system isn't perfect either, as a weak division will still be guaranteed a playoff spot for the top team even if they have a losing record, and teams in other divisions with winning records may not get a spot, this is clearly not a fair system either.
His point is that the committee is garbage, and well obviously you're one of those people cowherd says is paralyzed by the records. No one wants to see Washington v. Alabama over Michigan v. Bama. Washington is winning in a weak PAC12 and lost to a USC team that lost to bama by 52-6. So if the committee really was trying to be "as objective as possible," they should probably put michigan in the 4 spot.
So Wisconsin beating Minnesota by 14 is "struggling" but penn state sneaking by Minnesota in happy valley in over time is totally fine?
Why not make it a 8 team playoff system in college football and cut the bull.!!
the committee did a great job Colin it's not just records. Alabama is the clear number 1 so you can't even question why they are there. Ohio st is the best best one loss team and only lost to a top 10 team. They are the only team in the country whose only loss is to another top 10 team. On the road. In somewhat flukish manner. They are a clear number 2. Who exactly would colin put above Clemson that has a lesser record? Washington is the one team that I could say you could move out despite their record but even then they played 1 bad game. Other than that they have blown out everyone basically. As for 6 and 7. The committee is 1000% right for saying sorry Wisconsin and Penn State but you both lost to Michigan and Penn State you shouldn't have even been on the field with them. So no you are not jumping michigan. Even if with a conference "championship" (the team with the best record is Ohio State last time I checked they have one loss) it doesn't matter Michigan would have beaten the big 10 champion and the team the big 10 champion beat. Sorry but you aren't climbing over that wall. As for Colorado they can't jump michigan even if they win their conference. Michigan beat you and knocked out your quarterback. Sit down. That leaves the two oklahoma teams. OU lost to Ohio state badly and Oklahoma state lost to a team i've never heard of. Controversial or not the game should have never been that close if you are a top 10 team. Every team in the top 4 would have beat that team by at least 4 touchdowns.
So Colin what exactly is your beef with the top 10 because it's pretty spot on by the comittee. The only debatable teams are Washington and Michigan and maybe even clemson but the committee has them all bunched together at 3,4, and 5 and they even said it was close.
AlphaDwg my boy out here writing books
AlphaDwg bro penn state wasn't even ranked up until one game after they beat osu. So TBH osu doesn't deserve to be in. Nor does Clemson. Osu and Clemson cheated so many games to win this year it's ridiculous
Wisconsin has only lost to two top 5 teams and by 2 scores, one in overtime. How should they be rated?
Cowherd is 100% right. Go off of strength of schedule paired with point differential and you will get a very solid ranking that is pretty close. If you use records it skews it for weak scheduled teams
1. Bama 2. Ohio St 3. Clemson 4. Michigan..... if u think Oklahoma deserves a shot you're either a fanboy or don't deserve to watch football
My stepdad is a Pitt fan and everyone in my family is a penn state fan. He laughed when they lost
1. Bama
2. Washington
3. Osu
4. Michigan/Clemson
Thot Quin Washington tho?
0alejandroellis0 yea they just in the PAC 12
Head to head match ups are everything.
what people seem to forget is that ohio state had to play two back to back games (both prime time) and with both Wisconsin and Penn state having a week of resting and preparing for ohio state. Ohio state schedule this year seemed to be "tiger proofed" to me.
They need to move to an 8 team playoff.... Some teams get hot late and might have 2 or 3 losses and get in and run the table ...
Michigan didn't deserve it, but Skip's argument was far more legitimate. Shannon just a waste of flesh if he goes by rankings at the TIME of meeting
I'm confused by his argument(s). he seems to be contradicting himself
Don't you dare trash purdue @colin cowherd
This is just my opinion but I think that Penn State should be higher than just 7. Everyone knows that Ohio has the more talented roster and the better coacing staff but football is played on the field and not on paper. Penn State beat OSU which is the number two ranked team, I dont think they should be above Ohio but they have to be higher than 7.
penn state should be 4 or 5. Michigan lower
Using your theory colorado , wisconsin and penn state cant move over michigan .
Because michigan beat all of them
Kevin Walker When did I say that you cant be above someone who beat you
But Penn State also beat both of the teams that did beat Michigan, one of them in dominating fashion.
If Washington wins Saturday they deserve to stay in top 4
Enrique Ybarra you smart
a LOT of people are crying about Ohio State making it over Penn St, but the problem is you people want one criteria to exist at the exclusion of all other criteria. If H2H matters so much, PSU has no justification for being ahead of Michigan. PSU had TWO metrics in their favor, as compared to Ohio State, and about 12 against them. their resumes weren't. even. close. at least the committee has been consistent in their assessment of resumes in the entire, huge 3 year history of the CFP. anyone who tries to whine otherwise are simply mad because their favorite team wasn't handed a Playoff spot.
Let's get Colin Cowherd to the Silver Play Button.
Lets not forget Pitt also beat Clemson, a top 4 team.
OSU beat Michigan State by ONE point TWO weeks ago.
PSU beat Michigan State by 33 last week.
OSU and Michigan had very strong starts to the season, but have been struggling as of late. OSU has BARELY won their last two games. Look at what PSU has accomplished later in the season. Destroyed Michigan State, destroyed Iowa. Can OSU or Michigan say the same? Can OSU or Michigan say they are the division champs? Nope. The argument that OSU is "clearly better" than PSU is asinine. In sports, the only way to settle who the question of the better team is by head to head matchups. PSU came out with the W. How about you also bring up sacks and tackles for loss from the OSU/PSU game? Don't tell half the story. A win is a win.
Mike V If Penn State is in because they beat OSU than Michgan is over them due to head to head. H2H should matter obviously but not as much as resume. OSU has the 2nd best resume behind Bama
Michigan lost their last 2 out of 3 games. I don't think many people would agree with putting a team like that in.
Mike V Washington will not do any better. They will get their doors blown off. Michigan for sure would hold their own way better than Washington in play offs.
Mike V No arguments from me there. I'm just using your logic that Penn State should be a shoe in because they beat OSU. If that is true Michgan would be because they beat Penn State. Resume matters, and obviously OSU>Penn>Michgan
I think that we can all agree that Michigan, Penn State, and OSU should be in over Washington. They are going to get rolled by Alabama. The committee is all kinds of wacked this year. They said they want the 4 best teams in football to be in playoffs, but then they put Washington in because of their record. But we have to remember Washington is in one of the poorest competition conferences. If they want the 4 best teams, it should be Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and Clemson (no specific order other than Bama at 1).
Penn State only lost when they were down 5 linebackers, 2 starting secondary players, 1 starting DT, 1 starting DE, & were learning a new offensive system but hey let's look back to week 4 for the last time they lost instead of realizing they're not the same team they were at the beginning of the season & let's let a Michigan team who has lost 2 of its last 3 & both teams they lost to Penn State beat & not only did they beat Iowa they destroyed Iowa & then the next week Iowa beats Michigan, but yes let's keep Michigan at 5 & Penn State at 7 😂
Thad Campbell yup that's why they scores 10 points
Thad Campbell
important fact: AT Iowa in a primetime game is MUCH different than vs Iowa
pathetic
All of PSU big wins came at home they have no big road wins
There's no such thing as putting too much into a head to head match up. That's how you find out who's better
If that's the case then the term "upset" would not exist. Pitt isn't better than Clemson or Penn State and Iowa isn't better than Michigan.
Penn State should not have a football program.....
Sure is Troy
If Clemson and Washington lose it is possible for 3 B1G teams to be in the final four. That's ridiculous!
But Colin what by some measure of catastrophe that Alabama , Washington, Clemson were to lose their conference title games, and Penn State wins, and Oklahoma wins their glorified Big 12 title game over West Virginia, how would the Committee handle that?
Make it 16 teams and you won't need some silly "committee"
Ouch Colin you had to bring up Purdue.. Killing me 😂 oh well still love my school. Boiler Up!
I can't believe I'm gonna say this but..... Western Michigan deserves to be in the playoff more than OSU
I'm a huge Badger fan but unless they beat PS by at least a hundred points they don't deserve to be in the playoff. Rose Bowl maybe.
According to Colin Vegas matters more than being big 10 champs
Penn state went to overtime with Minnesota...Wisconsin won by 14...what are you talking about?
Derek Gilkes He was talking about last week how Wisconsin had trouble with Minnesota but Penn St blew out Michigan State
this argument was so contradicting
My PERSONAL opinion was
1. bama
2. Clemson
3.Ohio
4. Penn
to me washington had a great season but their schedule was awful. Not trying to start arguments.
Penn State moved up and down the field all night against Ohio State
I think the cfp committee put Wisconsin above psu because if psu wins, then that'll boost them. Colin is wrong. Michigan isn't the best.
it should be 6 teams one for every conference or at least top six teams.
Michigan lost 2 of their last 3 games and they're #5? The fix is in and boy does it stink. Louisville dropped like a lead weight when they lost. Washington #4? Give me a break committee. Let's not play a schedule next year and you just put your favorites in the top 4. The only one that should be there is The Crimson Tide, as usual.
Tom Lloyd I personally do not think they have Michigan ranked high enough. They took Ohio State into double OT in Ohio State. Also, realistically Michigan did win that game against Ohio State if we have a correct first down spot. Washington will get their doors blown off by whoever they play in the playoffs. On the other hand, Michigan would definitely hold their own in playoffs.
Pitt beat Clemson
Wait, Colorado was good 2 years ago?!
Yeah who gives a damn who actually wins the games...what does that matter.
Bama and Ohio state are on top USC could probably beat Clemson the rest don't really matter the NCAA as a whole was weak this year
What? They're based on records because that's who the best teams are. You want to put Penn State over Wisconsin? Go ahead. It's still by record. Their isn't any team that has an argument this year to be ahead of a team with a better record. Michigan shouldn't be ahead of Washington, and Michigan is the best 2 loss team and Washington is the worst 1 loss team. Maybe Oklahoma over Colorado? It's not sorted by record, it's the best team. If it was sorted by record then Western Michigan would be the 2, according to that theory. Also, if it's by record then why isn't West Virginia (10-2) ahead of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State? I agree with you on a lot of things but you are wrong about this one.
Everyone knows Michigan should be top 4 this year. Who want to play Michigan, nobody!
If they do it by records it would be Alabama western Michigan Ohio Clemson
four teams have one loss or fewer. All two loss teams are out. pretty simple.
How can you say that ohio state had the better roster and team than penn state that game? THEY LOST. Sure you can say that it was because of special teams but as far as im concerned special teams is part of the team too. Plenty of games are decided by who has the better special teams that day. That was not a fluke win at all, penn states defense also played outstanding the whole second half.
this would be fixed if you had overall record factored into winning the division
awill19 That punishes teams for playing hardet out of confrence teams. So if UNC played Liberty, Ohio, and UMass as their out of confrence teams but lost two ACC games they would be 10-2. But VT plays Bama, Washington, and Ohio State and lose all 3 but won all ACC games theyd be 9-3. In your opinion a 9-3 VT with losses to 3 top 5 teams shouldnt make it in over a team with losses to Duke and GT? (this is all hypothetical btw. none of this actually happened.)
josh mcdonald well no, that's why you would have to even out the conferences and balance out the schedules the way the NFL does.
awill19 That's not how it works at all. The NCAA has no power over scheduling. schools have to play their confrence and 3 OOC teams. Two schools will agree to a game and that's how you get the out of confrence (OOC) games. Changing this would ruin CFB for what it is. Schools schedule their teams, not the NCAA. I fixed schedule would ruin all the great rivalries and matchups we see every year. Also you cant just easily make a balanced schedule for 128 teams. The NFL they can because of how divisions work and their is only 32 teams.
josh mcdonald I believe you could make it work. It would take the formation of another association that would include the Power 5 conferences and the addition of some other group of 5 teams. Then you would re align the conferences to make all conferences the same amount teams. Most rivalries would be taken care of by being in the same conference. Sure some would fade, but others would develop. Unbalanced scheduling and un-even conferences cause this constant debate and questioning. The question is do you want it fixed or do you want to have an argument everytime this happens. I get it, a lot of people like the drama and chaos of it all. I'm just not one of those people.
But how are you gonna decide how to even out conferences? Because teams are cyclical. Take Alabama the last 10 years. They have been dominant. The decade before that they were a laughing stock. Texas was good the decade before, but has struggled this decade. You would constantly be reshuffling conferences to try and balance them out every 5-10 years.And nobody want's their rivalries to die.
This guy does not know anything about football obviously. He just likes to hear his own voice.
the big 10 was a joke, stop putting awful teams where they don't belong
Any one of these three teams are being blasted by Bama does it matter who is number 2 or 3 or 4?
Vulpor Vulp Thats what everyone said in 2014. Not saying Bama isnt the best but any given game anything could happen.
"They should be #4" They should be higher up" "They don't deserve to be in the top 4" Blah blah blah blah...... Just remember you're either playing Alabama or OSU in the first game of the playoffs. If its OSU you may have a shot to get to the championship. If its Alabama..... Hey your team made it to the playoffs. #RollTide
Like the first CFB - right?
Well Ohio State did have Ezekiel Elliott that year! And he absolutely dominated! If Bama gets dismantled like that this year in the playoffs, I'll come back and eat my own words. Bama has been rolling lately and so I find them hard to beat for any team, but if we do, then I'll come back and admit defeat to a better team. Although I don't think Ohio or anyone has an Ezekiel Elliott in the back field though.
Who else thought they lost connection at 3:50 haha
LOL people are all biasing their arguments off one head to head because thats the most fair way to say someone is better than another. You can say all you want to but the reality is that penn state came out and did what they had to do and Ohio didnt get it done end of story-
if yu watch college football n know football trust me no one wants to play SC say what yu want but most people just look at scores not knowing anything about the teams and just assume. SC is rolling now with Sam at Qb n he'll be mentioned as a heisman canidate next season. USC would give any of those top 4 teams a game. For anybody thinking otherwise dont know football. SC God forbid any injuries will be a top 4 team next year n competing for that natty baby #Fight on we on our way back to the top where we belong. dem Trojans you know what it is.
bama, Ohio, Michigan, Washington is fine by me. makes sense
why colin lips so wet he look like he bout to drool 😂
Oklahoma was injured when they played Ohio State. Dede Westbrook, the number one player in college football, was injured. Oklahoma would beat them if they played right now.
Garrett Durham westbrook played tho
But they still lost
Colin you look at the stats that favor your point. Seems to me that he didn't watch the PSU osu game. Cause if they are sooooo much better how is it that PSU won??? Get your ish together
Is PSU not better than Pitt? But how did they lose?!!
John Furlong did I mention Pitt? I may be illiterate but I don't see Pitt in my comment. Fallacy brah
But you were basically implying PSU is better than OSU just because of one game. So I was asking if you think Pitt is better than PSU...I don't. As Colin said OSU had more than 150 yards, almost double the time of possession, more first downs, etc. but that's football...you only get one game and PSU won. It happens
John Furlong I think penn state is a better team right now than Pitt. But Pitt was a better team week two . Penn state didn't have there season turn around until the Minnesota game. The team and the coach progressed immensely through the season. I honestly believe if we were to play Michigan again we would beat them.
Go Buckeyes I love Ohio state that's my team we number 1for real
Bama
Ohio St
Washington
OK St if they win big 12 if not Clemson
Michigan should be in
Penn state two lost team over 2 one loss teams. What logic is this
Deangelo Carter so should western Michigan be the #2 seed?
Susmanski no im asking why do people think that
Bama,Clemson,
colin I hate to tell you but the nfl does seed teems based on record
Nope nope nope nope. The Top 4 teams are chosen by how good they performed in the season, not by how good they are. So yeah although Michigan would probably destroy Washington at the end of the day Washington performed better in the season so they get to be in the playoffs.
For those still not convinced, I'll put it this way. Imagine there's a science class and the top 15 kids in the class get to take AP science next year and the bottom 15 have to take non AP science. The final spot comes down to two students: Joe and Albert. Joe isn't that smart but he was able to get a 91. Meanwhile, Albert got a 2400 on his SAT but he only got a 90 in the class. In this situation, I'm pretty sure most of you would pick Joe to move on, even though Albert is the smarter student.
Same thing with college football. It's about how well you performed, not how good you are.
Quan Narula Why isn't Western Michigan in the Top 4 then?
Austin LaVigne because they haven't performed that well either. They haven't beaten any good teams
Why do you hate Wisconsin
Ohio state is clearly NOT better than penn state especially right now. Penn state right now is the best team in the Big 10. I would love to have an actual argument with you. Special teams is a part of the team so ohio states special teams wasn't good enough to help them beat penn state. Didn't ohio state struggle against MSU? You also have to put in account when both teams played michigan. And Pitt be clemson too so obviously pitt isn't too bad if you're keeping clemson in the top 4 with an easier schedule than penn state.
Jason Burger maybe in a couple of years your statement will be true but right now urban Meyer has better athletes
Obviously he doesn't. He couldn't beat penn state and he struggled against a bad Michigan state team. Penn state is playing better football and is the better team right now. If you deny that its probably because you're an Ohio state fan and you're being bias.
Jason Burger I hate to say this because I am a die hard Michigan fan. But Ohio State is way better than Penn state. OSU and Michigan would hold their own way better in playoffs than Penn state.
And I'd like to say you're right I really would buy Michigan was playing pretty poorly the few weeks leading up to the OSU game. OSU beat Michigan state by 1...penn state rolled MSU. MSU was all over Ohio state and should've just took it to overtime instead of trying to go for two because they actually would've had a shot to win in OT. Ohio state has very little chance against a good defense and can't outscore and hold a good offense like Clemson and Alabama or even Washington. They are not a complete team right now. Penn state is playing as good if not better football than anybody else right now. They're playing tight defense and putting up good numbers on offense.
You have some good points. I think that we can all agree that Michigan, OSU, and Penn State should definitely be in over Washington. They are going to get rolled by Alabama. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State would have a better chance than Washington.
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