Bro. The idea of Shane being banished in season 2 then coming back years later and replacing Negan as the man in the RV would've been fucking wild! Just imagine the shock value of seeing a completely different Rick and Shane come face to face with each other after so many years
Would’ve been so cool to speculate as to where Shane was the entire time if we didn’t keep with him. I’m sure people like myself would’ve made MANY videos on it 😂
During that stand-off at the Farm, Shane never wanted to kill Rick. He had every opportunity and never pulled the trigger. You can see in his face at a point that it pains him to be doing that. But it was all an act to get Rick to grow some balls and cross the line. Shane was carrying too much emotional weight from knowing that Judith is his but will never BE his, so he lost the will to live. Forcing Rick to kill him in cold blood would ensure that Rick would change enough to be able to protect his family (all of whom Shane loved). And once again, he was right about that too. Rick only understood it waaaay down the line which is why he admits he regrets killing Shane in 9x5.
@@jasonoy3142 Probably. There's also a big chance that his paternal instinct would kick in and he would focus on Judith's care before mourning Lori's loss.
For me, him trying to kill Rick or letting Rick kill him can both be true. I think he was willing to kill Rick if he saw that Rick still couldn’t step up and take him out when he knows how dangerous he is to the group and would’ve believed that Rick was too weak to take care of them. However, like you said, I think Shane would’ve been fine or may have been trying to get Rick to kill him and would’ve accepted dying that way as well. Jon Bernthal, Shane’s actor, seems to confirm this too. It seems like Shane realized and knew one of them needed to die there.
Shane didn’t beat Ed just because he put his hand on Carol, he used that as an excuse to take his anger out on someone because Lori wanted to distance herself and Carl away from him
That's not true because Shane had morals and he was a cop,so you believe he would just watch this happen and do nothing to defend her?Lori was just a reason to give him extra punches
Having rewatched this show Recently Lori definitely gave Shane just enough attention and care to keep him around knowing full well he had to go. On top of the fact that her reaction to Rick killing Shane after she specifically told him he would have to was TRIFLING.
Yeah, she was manipulating both of them. Sending mixed signals to Shane whenever it benefited her and then completely rejecting him again a few scenes later. She told Rick that Shane needed to be dealt with and that he was trying to take her and Carl away from him. Her reaction to Shane's death actually put Rick in a rage because he spent most of the remaining time she was alive, distancing himself from her and being extremely cold. She was ultimately responsible for Shane's death and Rick knew it. If people couldn't see what she was doing prior to his death, I'm surprised they missed the most obvious sign when she rejects Rick's embrace shortly after finding out he killed Shane. It was in that moment Rick realized she loves Shane and as I mentioned, he distances himself from her completely after that. There wasn't even much of reconciliation between them before she dies.
@@panspermiapancakesin my opinion, i don't think that's why lori was disgusted. after hearing rick say he killed shane she was obviously shocked, and decided to talk to him personally. she was upset but accepted it, hugging him, then stepping back ready for him to turn towards her (as he had his back facing her). she only rejected his embrace after he told her that carl was the one who shot him after he reanimated into a walker. that was too far for her as she wanted to protect carl from becoming cold which as a mother makes sense. i'm not defending lori but she also has a right to be shocked after hearing what happened it wasn't easy for anyone. rick also didn't hate lori after that, if you watch season 3, rick breaks down and admits to lori (who he believes he's talking to on the phone) that he did still love her more than anything, but he couldn't be vulnerable and let shane's death and everything that went down get to him or else he wouldn't be able to lead and protect the group. he still loved lori and loved shane but couldn't risk breaking down and not being able to lead the group. rick is a great man who put his family and the group before himself that's why he's the goat of the show😊
@@ericacullen I just watched that scene again and I'd say you made a fair assessment. Granted, she did technically start removing her arms from around him the moment he mentioned Shane was killed. However, you're right that she didn't start breaking down and rejecting Rick until he mentions Carl. I can understand where she was coming from when considering it from a motherly perspective since you mentioned it. I know that Rick still loved her but I felt like his distancing himself from her was an appropriate reaction to how she reacted to learning about Shane's death. If we want to be fair here towards Rick, Carl was only out in that field when Shane reanimated into a zombie is because Lori was supposed to be watching Carl at the farm house but like always, she lets him out of her sight and he takes off. Her reaction to Rick still wasn't called for because the only reason Carl shot Shane is because she let Carl out of her line of supervision. I don't hate Lori, I think she is was an extremely accurate depiction of a real life woman that would have done anything needed to keep her son safe and that includes hooking up with a guy like Shane to keep him safe. The writing in the first two seasons were phenomenal when it came to group interactions and dialogue. It all felt so real with how each person was handling the outbreak. Lori's actress gets too much hate, she was doing everything the show writers wanted. lol
@@panspermiapancakes Well no one can watch their kid 24 hours adults too need time to handle their things. Carl wouldn't listen and constantly left when he was told not to. But I agree that knowing how he failed to listen so many times should have made Lori check on him from time to time. No one saw him leave the house.
I always viewed Shane beating the living shit out of Ed not cause he was protecting Carol. No No no that was out of pure anger for ED not appreciating having a wife/partner. Something Shane so desperately wants in that moment
Shane was the most misunderstood character in the Walking Dead. Yes, he had his moments where his temper would get the best of him, but that’s because the group at the time was still trying to adapt to the new world. 1. Keeping Randall alive while his group intentionally tried to kill Rick and Hershel at the bar was a huge risk. Randall even admitted to Shane right before he killed him, that his group was rough sometimes, especially towards women. Whose to say he wouldn’t have gathered up his people to the farm to get revenge? 2. Hershel was completely delusional keeping a barn full of walkers next to his family and the group. Even if he truly believed he could have saved those people, he was a threat to the group and himself had Shane not opened the barn. 3. Killing Otis wasn’t the moral choice but it was the only way he could have saved Carl. Both of them were injured and Otis was clearly out of shape to go any longer. This was still early in the apocalypse where walkers were considered fresh and more agile. Shane and Otis would have both died which means Carl wouldn’t have got the medical supplies needed to live. Shane definitely had his flaws but he was the only one at the time who could make the tough calls for survival. Like he told Rick, “You can’t just be the good guy and expect to live, not anymore.”
Honestly, the whole reason why I can’t *completely* get behind Shane as a character is because of how he treated Lori. They both had their faults in the relationship, but the dude literally assaulted her and just generally wouldn’t take no for an answer. Their whole relationship since Lori found out Rick was alive was literally just: *Shane:* I love you. We should be together. *Lori:* I was only with you because you told me my husband was dead. I have no feelings for you. At least not anymore. Ergo, I don’t want to be with you. *Shane:* I’m gonna take that as a, “Try harder.” Obviously Shane was way ahead of the curve and I can love him for that, but the dude was out of line in so many ways when it came to her.
@@linaskranauskas Well, Rick said himself that he would’ve done the same thing. It was Carl’s life in the balance. To completely ensure he survives, one of them had to stay or get left behind while the other escapes. Shane did tell Otis that he should take the bags and go but Otis didn’t want to.
SHANE is definitely my favorite character. I feel like if SHANE was still alive and managed to get over the whole LORI situation he would've eventually gain more respect from the group in later seasons however they would still most likely want RICK as the leader. The character development within the group would continue to grow as well. The only thing I would say is SHANE'S physical presence would hinder RICK'S growth a little since killing him was supposed to be that major turning point in RICK'S journey throughout the series.
Even if the lori situation ended, rick would still never make the hard calls he needed to, cuz as soon as he killed Shane he changed, and Shane's little speech he gave to rick talking about " ima better man than you rick.... you just come back and destroy everything!" they're energies were colliding anyways, rick wanted shane to comeback to the farm but that would cause more problems
disregarding the whole lori plot line (don’t even argue me he assaulted her), Shane was just too prepared for the world. others in the group wanted to cling to the way things were, to hold onto the ways of the old world even if that meant putting themselves or others in danger (risking people to go and look for Sophia, even though that almost got Daryl killed). He had a level head about the way things were now, it’s just the others didn’t see things his way. he was an asshole, stubborn, and in many ways a monster- but he was the blueprint for how the group survived years down the road.
Look noones arguing shane had his faults in the cringe love quarrel, but so did lori lol, he was literally moving on and she just brought him back in, confusing signals, terrible wife and mother lol, love the actor though
Lori does play Rick and Shane against each other, tells Rick in the tent that Shane’s believes she and the baby are his,and while Shane was fixing the windmill and was set to leave, she played mind games telling him he should stay
Asking Shane to stay could have been out of guilt. Telling Rick what was going on could have been out of fear especially after Dale got to her. Either way she had to live with her own actions too.
I’m going to paste something I responded to on another video. Lori giving Shane mixed signals all changes if you look at the scenes closely. See below: Nah, we aren't tripping... Just hear me out. Yes. Lori told Shane to stay twice. The 1st time was S2 E3, IMMEDIATELY after Hershel saved Carl, thanks to Shane retrieving the medical supplies. After Hershel and Rick go to tell Patricia about Otis, Lori turns to Shane and gives a quick nod of appreciation. When Lori is at Carl's bedside, Shane comes in. He just gives her this pleading look like, "Do I still have to go? Can't I stay now?", which makes Lori feel obligated to say yes. In the next episode, Shane asks Lori for the 2nd time, saying, "Did you mean it when you told me to stay?". He asked her because he KNEW he's asked her that at the most vulnerable time he possibly could have. Shane had heard Carl was awake, and she says, yes and that he will make it. You NEVER see him go back in that room to check in on Carl again (after he returns with the supplies), so the ONLY REASON he went in there at that exact moment was to ask her to let him stay. That was the main thing he was worried about. This makes me seriously question his motives when he volunteered to go to the High school. Yes, he would do whatever he could to save Carl's life. It's obvious that he cares for him very much, but it feels like he KNEW Lori would feel indebted to him, and that is incredibly manipulative!! Go back and watch her facial expressions when he asked her if she meant it. She is caught between a rock and a hard place... what else could she say to that?? Pressuring her like that was a pretty rotten thing to do, if you ask me. Look, Lori was a poorly written character at times, to be sure. You can see it multiple times throughout her run on the show. No argument from me there. Still... that doesn't negate the fact that Shane was a dick. He always did whatever he wanted, no matter what everyone else thought, and did not care if there were consequences. The ONLY time I saw Shane do something completely selfless was when he saw Carol stumble out of the bush after she lost Sophia. He helped her clean up, and I swear it made me wonder what he was up to, lol. Rick seemed more like a Beta in S1 and S2 to me, even though everyone else saw him as the Alpha. Even Daryl said to Dale that when it comes down to it, Rick ultimately looks to Shane. Lori only tells Rick that Shane is a danger after Dale tells her what happened to Otis. TBH, Dale really should have told Rick that Shane had him in his crosshairs back in S1. Everyone can see Shane spiraling. In S2 E9, Shane tells Lori that the two of them were "a long time coming". This shows me that Shane had had his eye on Lori LONG before Rick's accident or the start of the apocalypse. God, he was manipulative in so many ways! She then tells Rick that Shane is delusional, as he truly believes they should've been together a long time ago. Also, Shane KNEW there was a chance that Rick didn't die when the machines he was hooked up to at the hospital lost power, otherwise why would he have put that hospital bed up as a barricade in front of the door to Rick's room? He never told Lori, nor did he ever try to go check on the man who was his partner, best friend, and like a brother to him! Lori is right when she says he is delusional. He is becoming more deranged by the day. Shane steadfastly believes something that is NOT TRUE, except in his own mind. This is what makes her warn Rick about him. It's that, plus the totality of everything (minus the issues she is unaware of, ie: Dale's concerning run-ins with Shane) that scares her. She knows he killed Otis and left him behind so he could get back to her and Carl. He says he loves her and that they are supposed to be together... and this puts her husband at risk!! When Rick hears this, he realizes she is right, as that is EXACTLY why he himself killed the two guys at the bar- so he could get back to his family. He says, "It was gonna be me [that lives] and not them, no matter what". She clarified the he killed the living to protect what is his, and that Shane thinks they are HIS. He thinks Rick cannot protect them and is going to get them killed. She is NOT wrong when she says he is dangerous and won't stop. They know him well and are aware that he will do whatever he wants and is unconcerned about the consequences... as I said earlier. In S2 E10, when Rick pulls the car over to talk to Shane, he admits to Rick that he killed Otis. When he hears him say that it had to be him who survived and Otis that died, Rick knows without a doubt that Shane will see it the same way with him. When Rick says it took everything in him not to beat the shit out of Shane when he realized he'd slept with Lori, Shane sees how mentally strong Rick is (compared to himself), he knows they will end up fighting, and that Rick won't go down easily. He hears him say that he will stay alive in order to keep his family alive, and Shane realizes he will have to try to kill him. Shane then sees that lone walker in the field. I think he knows that if he doesn't change course, he will end up just like that... and SURPRISE!! Shane becomes a lone walker in a field at the end of it all. When they arrive at their destination, Shane does confess that he doesn't think Rick can keep them safe, just like Lori said. Then, when he realizes Daryl has now become Rick's right hand man, he sinks even deeper. Yes, Lori inadvertently opens a can of worms when she goes to talk to Shane by the windmill (and that’s not her fault), but here's the bigger picture: she goes to APOLOGIZE to him for her part. She says she is sorry for putting the two of them at odds, unnecessarily complicating things. I think she thought he and Rick had let things go and were starting fresh, as that can happen sometimes after guys fistfight. She is empathetic with him, saying she knows how hard it must be for him that he might be the biological father, but that the baby can never be his. She also thanks him from the bottom of her heart for protecting her and Carl, and for being there for her. She genuinely apologizes for things getting confused between the two of them (for him AND for her), but at NO POINT has she EVER let him think there could ever be anything between them again, and that she is committed to Rick. Her coming to him to thank him and to apologize for the bad times IN NO WAY means she wants him back. I do not understand why someone would think it does. To me, it seems like the entire group, minus Shane, wants to move forward and get along. She was being the bigger person by going to him in order to clear the air. It is NOT her fault that he assumed there could be something still there. Shane just heard what he desperately wanted to hear. When someone assumes and doesn't communicate to be clear, it makes it incredible difficult to have a conversation in the future. It is immensely frustrating and does nothing to help the situation, and it may make that person feel unable to approach them again. Shane wasn't wrong about everything. He was spot on about stopping the search for Sophia after coming to the conclusion that she was probably already dead by then, about what to do with Randall, about the walkers in the barn, and about Rick being more concerned about the hostage than with his own son. He is simply too aggressive and refuses to listen to others' viewpoints... then he goes and does what he wants anyway. He is headstrong, and is NOT a team player. Add all these issues up, and take into consideration that he is becoming increasingly unhinged, and you've got a BIG problem!!
@@anatorres9715when Shane wanted to leave after fixing the windmill, Lori told him that she doesn't know if the baby is his or Rick's prompting Shane to stay and do what he did. Lori is just as much to blame as Shane. She played him.
In my opinion, The Governor significantly impacted group by changing their perspective about people and viewing everyone as a threat. They had numerous chances to assassinate The Governor, but they chose not to, and that it cost them everything. The Governor took advantage of the fact that they were still somewhat civilized toward everyone and attacked them twice, destroying their home and killing many of the people they cared about. That changed them forever. Their perspective of people was changed as a result of those events because to The Governor. They eventually came to view people as being more dangerous than Walkers. Now they started to see everyone as an enemy and became more aggressive, taking any opportunity to eliminate any threat towards them.
I can’t wait for this 🔥 Rick really is just built different. His character is the tru essence of The Walking Dead. Basically a living example of “Whatever it takes”
I agree that Lori is very clear with Shane, verbally. However, it seems pretty obvious that she is hedging her bets, and making sure Shane will still be there for her, if something happens to Rick. She doesn't let Shane get too far away, before she reels him back in with her actions. I like to think this is why there's so much focus on Rick "leaving his family" to go on various runs and undertake various tasks. It's meant to elevate the possibility, in Lori's mind, that perhaps Rick won't return from one of these outings, and she will have to go back to plan B. If there's any doubt as to her intentions, it's made pretty clear by her reaction to finding out that Rick killed Shane. Shane was her back up plan. Rick took away an option for her and her burgeoning family, and she resented it.
Favorite character, played by possibly favorite actor. He played Shane so damn good.. so believable.. so torn between hating and loving his character at the same time. Just the best. Absolute phenomenal performance by Jon Bernthal. Wish he was still around.
He would do nothing like he did while he was alive. He would just whine to Rick that he's a bad leader. when Rick was dealing with Randal's group, Shane was sitting at a table waiting for Hershel's food to be served to him.
@@AnythingLounge ow yea and tbh governor was a way better fighter probably one of the best fighters and would kill shane in a fight. And I wouldn't be surprised if Shane would want to joint the animalistic mature of the whispers. Either way i don't think Shane was made to last lol. Cool character though.
@victornieves1794 He would have prevented the line up in the first place. Rick is the reason that happened because he was deluded enough to think he had all of the power. Shane would have told Rick to avoid Negan.
Shane was very far ahead of the curve, and that's why most people hated him at first and why TWD fans cringe when thinking about Season 5 Rick, since Season 5 Rick became what Shane was in Season 2. Honestly Shane was one of my favorite characters early on in the series and it sucked to see him die and leave the show, however I take solace in how Negan more or less replaced what would be Shane and that could be why I liked Negan early on as well. They're both people who knew that kindness can only get you so far in a world without order and that has man-eating monsters roaming around. Maybe the similarities is why Rick chose to save Negan? Maybe he regretted killing Shane and wanted to try and make up for it to Lori' spirit to prove that he hadn't become a heartless man and still has some compassion left in his heart? That's my theory, anyway.
But shane was a selfish sociopath who only cares about Lori and Carl. While I do agree on him being ahead of his time on some aspects he ultimately was too unstable to keep alive
I remember watching S2 hating Shane for what he was turning into. Then a few seasons later and it's everyone. Now looking back I appreciate his character so much more. Realizing that's what it takes to survive in TWD world.
So you want to relate to Shane because you’re crazy as well? Because that’s pretty much all I can think when it comes to Shane. Shane did not adapt btw he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.
@@AnythingLounge All the choices Shane made are the same choice Rick and co did in later seasons. You’re telling me S5 Rick would’ve kept Randall around? If your answer is no, then you’re proving my point Shane adapted first
@@UndyingHunger Shane was ready for the apocalypse. What Dale said about him being ready for that world was correct. Shane knew everything he needed to do to survive but couldn’t let go of Lori and Carl, which was his downfall.
The thing is. Rick knew what the world was pretty early on but he refused to accept it. Shane accepted it he even embraced it. When Rick finally accepts it he becomes even more brutal than Shane was. Due to him having time to stew on his experiences with Shane and The governor.
now see there isn't any love triangle, but Lori did constantly tell Shane & Rick different things. Like Shane is dangerous & can't be kept around, but also saying that Shane should stay on the farm. Not romantically, but Lori was always sending mix messages on what was & wasn't okay for both Rick & Shane
I don't think people give credit to the fact Judith is Shane's daughter because they did something dumb like killing off Rick's son. just imagine Shane's daughter and Rick's son both being brother and sister fighting together, that would've worked perfectly.
@@AnythingLounge yes he did, he adapted before anyone else did. What Rick becomes Shane already was, thus why at the end Rick sees Shane and is that anger Shane is trying to bring back out.
In a panel with Jon Berenthal, the idea of the scene where Shane dies is that he was supposed to know that his gun was unloaded the whole time, meaning that at the end, he actually wanted to get killed by Rick. After i saw this it actually changed my whole perspective of the scene. Shane was a good guy deep down but he went mad crazy with Lori, and even then, he felt bad about sleeping with Rick's wife, and i doubt that he tried to kill him with that Key, he had all the chances then and also before. After all the lies and going insane over a sexual adventure, he probably reached a point where he couldn't take it anymore and wanted to die, and at the same time test Rick to see if he had what it was necessary to protect his family.
How could the gun have been unloaded? He fires a shot, after he's stabbed by Rick. It goes harmlessly to Rick's left side, into the ground. It wasn't unloaded, at all. Watch closely at 6:28 of this very video, and you can see it.
@@kristofvarga7518 it's more cooler and makes Shane a let of a bad guy. But it certainly makes no sense. At this point shane completely lost it and seemed pretty willing to kill Rick.
yeah. really REALLY REALLY wish they would have pointed out that he straight up assaulted Lori, or just not have done it if they weren't gonna address it. I have mentally ill and traumatized family (and have PTSD myself) and Shane was just acting so exactly like when someone has a self destructive breakdown from trauma. I hated that nobody really addressed that and what happened to him.
There was a thing Darabont wanted to do which whenever shane had a gun at rick and he dies rick would take his gun (I don't remember why) but he finds out its not loaded and shane wanted rick to take over the group.
Shane was an awesome character; I only genuinely wished the writers didn't force Shane to go crazy over Lori. He shoulda just let her go when Rick arrived. Shane's death was wasted, it should have been used to protect Rick or Carl or really anyone else.
He died even sooner in the source material. Not to lose it wouldn't have made sense there was no way to bring a happy ending for Shane once Rick came back. He was right to want to leave and should have just done so.
Shane was an awesome character, helped alot by Jons performance as him. I also don’t think he was plain bad. He was a good leader, and the group definitely would not of survived with out him. His obsession with Ricks family was his downfall.
Very well thought out video. I don't think people give Shane enough credit. He was definitely my fav character of all time in the show. I do believe he just died waaayy too fast man. It's sad cause they definitely could of made just epic storyline with Shane's character. Great video and I subbed this was a great video
Shane is my favorite character of all time. He wad just awesome and besides his arrogance and lust for Lori, he was mentally adjusted for the apocalypse. He just, fucking rules, and if he hadn't thought Rick had died or Rick HAD died, his character would be pure and he would've been an undisputed leader for the whole show. Sucks he had to die but honestly, I wouldn't love him if he were anything but what he was. Rest in pieces, Sheriff Shane
I feel like Shane had some what in reached potential in season one you could tell he was jealous, but then out of nowhere in season two they turned him into an absolute monster
Shane showed Hershel the real word, Rick showed Alexandria the real world, both crazy acts in a crazy way, Shane had Lori and Rick, Rick had Jesse and the doc, Rick wins both times, both times love ones die…
I think another thing that made Shane mad is that he was essentially kicked out of the decision making process and had no voice when ideas were thrown out.
if only he hadn't obsessed over Lori and Carl. i imagine that things could've have gone quite differently had he moved on and respected boundaries. perhaps he could've been a major character through more of the show, staying with the group. it's unfortunate that he was so obsessed but in the end it was his obsession leading to his death that ultimately developed Rick's character, which i believe to be very important
That was his only real issue his obsession with Lori and Carl. He became unhinged because of that it helped destroy him even if he could survive in the new world and already was seeing what had to be done to survive. But his obsession got the best of him in the end.
I think people give Shane’s adaption to the new world too much credit. Shane was about himself, the only reason he wanted to lead the group was because it gave his life back some power that he probably lost from being a cop after the apocalypse break out. I think Rick’s and Shane’s friendship is very interesting because they are very similar, but I think Shane despised their differences because he felt that Rick had the potential to be better than him.
I find it interesting that many people talk about Shane being ahead of the curve and having what it takes to survive in this world, ignoring the fact that he was killed due to his erratic, unhinged nature. he died before the end of S2, so very early on. He understood some parts about the new world, but it takes more than that to survive, which he failed, so to me that nullifies his being ahead of the curve.
if you are on the verge of death, you would not think for more than 10 sec to kill another person who is not close to you to survive.... friends or family are another matter but deep down we have a will to live even though it might require sacrifices...
The original end for Shane was so good, essentially Shane would pull on Rick, Rick would shoot him, Rick takes the gun, and when Shane begins to get up, he goes to shoot him with Shane's gun, only to find his gun was empty.
I would love to see a What If? Walking Dead Edition. Imagine if Rick died in the Hospital and Shane took leadership of the group. Would be really interesting. What would happen if Shane and The Governor crossed paths? Or even better, what would happen if Shane and Negan crossed paths? I would love to see an alternate version of the story.
One of the biggest problems with Shane in my mind is he was ruthless. Everyone in the show is ruthless now but not like Shane was. He shot ottis in the leg and left him behind as bait so he could escape. None of our characters today would do that to someone who is an ally. They might do it to an enemy but in my mind that’s different then doing it to someone who is part of your group. Ottis shot Carl on accident and never did anything to threaten the group he was quick to volunteer to get the supplies to help save his life.
he didnt shoot otis for revenge, he shot otis to slow down the zombies. otis was pulling him back, if he didnt shoot otis, he wouldn't have been able to bring the equipment hersel needed to save carol's life.
I started watching the series thru again from the pilot on a few weeks ago. I had forgotten how good Jon bernthal was as Shane. Those first 2 seasons had some great episodes!
2:52 no its not about the rules or lessons, from my perspective shane is protector of the group, he is technically a leader of the group, but not officially, and his strategy as a leader is protection. When members of the group can't get out of the city he is the one who tells everyone else to stay, and not puting group in danger just to save couple of members. Rick on the other hand is the begginer in this world, and belives that staying together, and helping frendly face is the right way to do it, and that's the reason first thing he does is goes back to the city believing that merle have a chance of redemption
I can imagine Shane getting banished and ending up as Negans right hand man, when they find Rick I could imagine him feeling conflicted about how everything went down with Negans introduction due to mellowing out over the years and having a talk with Rick, that's where he finds out Lori's dead and tries to kill Rick, saying 'I told you I could keep them safe, not you' and maybe having Carl have to kill him, or a grown up Judith.
2:50 I believe him beating Ed was mostly his frustration with Lori he probably would have punched him a few times knocked him down and told him to never do it again but because he was frustrated he damn near killed him
The Walking Dead demonstrates better than alot of media that the right thing, the smart thing, to do isn't cut and dry or set in stone. Shane murdered two people and tried to kill Rick, so Rick killed him, and that decision saved his life. Later when Carol murders two people in the prison community, instead of killing her, Rick sends her away, that decision also saved his life. In Season 5 Rick basically became a feral pack animal, and that kept him and his family alive. Season 6 onward Rick transitions slowly back into a much more compassionate and trusting person, and in doing that he became a great leader and an essential figure in the rebuilding of civilization. Ultimately the biggest difference between Shane and Rick is that Shane was completely willing to let his surroundings change him, whereas Rick at his core is someone who wants to change his surroundings, and throughout the series we see the give-and-take of both philosophies.
In every aspect shane is amazing but the lori stuff was terrible, but man looking back at his quotes "the right choice is the one that keeps us alive.... you gotta fight for it, right here right now!" and Jon bernthal being an amazing actor helps too, compelling eyes
Great video. I would have loved to have seen Shane banished and show up in the final season of the show as the last 'enemy' Rick/ Daryl and the group have to face.
I look back at how I felt about Shane after Season 2, and I understand now how naive I was because I still believed in some kind of morale existed in the post-apocalyptic world but quickly realized after that their is no morality in the new world. It was about surviving and trying to keep yourself and what you value safe.
Shane is like Ned stark in game of thrones he’s in less then a 5th of all the episodes but they both set every event to occur from that episode further
Okay I'm at 52 seconds and I just wanted to say this is the video I actually searched for not by name but I wanted a review of his character and I agree with your statement he was way ahead of the rest of the group of the reality they were facing
Every time I go in to the comment section of a Shane video it's now met with people saying, "Shane was right from the start!" But when Shane was still in the show you couldn't find that energy anywhere. A lot of y'all only realized he was right after he was proven right by the later seasons.
That’s very true 😂 I watched this show all the way from the beginning with my mom every Sunday and at the beginning she said that Shane’s right and I was blown away that she could think that and then around S5/6 I realized that Rick is now worse than Shane. Really brings the character of Rick full circle when you see it that way.
Ever since it aired all those years back S2E10 "18 Miles out is" one of my, if not THE favorite Episode of mine. Everything about this Episode is amazing. Like you've said it's the boiling point of their relationship, plus Wye Oak really brought a Banger of a Song for.this Episode. S2 in general was amazing: Here's a Headcanon I had for years. Remember the crazy long haired Guy who attacked Terminus and got captured? The one who got free by the hand of Tick and Co just to die seconds later??? I like to think that he was the leader of Randall's group whi abandoned him. Randall said that they were 30-ish men strong, lots of weapons, r*ping and robbing. Sounds exactly like the group that attacked Terminus
@@IIIISai plus I you think about it. Even tho they abandoned Randall they had to be in walking distance since Randall would have been able to take Shane to them by foot, so we can assume they might as well had to abandon their Hideout because of the horde that attacked the farm. From there they stumbled across the Terminus Signs and attacked it
@@norbertbluhm6999 u have a creative mind, i agree with that theory, it's why everyone besides shane in s2 was weird, daryl told them randall and his ganged R*ped woman infront of their dads, and robbed and killed, but they wanted to free him, made 0 sense, anyways yea if the zombies didn't come, we don't know what woulda happened, and yea terminus was close, even woodbury, and the prison, the issue with the walking dead is they dont always follow up on concepts and stuff Anyways, they made tyresse have hallucinations of the govenor and dead characters, they didn't make rick have hallucinations of shane arguing, they only talked about shane once and judith even lori, this randall gang thing idea makes sense but in the terminus they killed the guy without explaination
@@IIIISai It's all a big "What if". Let's say Shane and Andrea did left the group, that would lead to Randall getting free and since he knew where the farm is and knew who Beth was they would have returned and turned the farm upside down. Plus the Horde never came across the farm since there wouldn't be a gunshot to Shane's Guts which changed the path of the Horde In the first place. I agree with you that there are many amazing concepts throughout the story that TPTB just abandoned and left with loose ends Also I love your Username.
I realized Shane was right after we witnessed Rick kill the guys in the bar when they threatened Rick, Hershel and Glenn and the rest of the group in season two
I think Shane was spent. He realized at his end he had nothing left in the tank. He had Rick dead to rights so many times in Better Angels episode but he couldn't bring himself to kill Rick. So he decided he would get Rick to kill him. He knew if Rick would kill him that Rick would be able to do what it took to protect the group.
What about having Shane finding his way to Woodsboro like good ole Merle and instead of Daryl but Rick get's caught. That would be cool to see Shane recognizing Ricks ability to protect the group while recognizing his wrongs and decided like Merle did in the TV timeline, to spare Michonne and kill the Governor, plus save Andrea in the process.
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Bro. The idea of Shane being banished in season 2 then coming back years later and replacing Negan as the man in the RV would've been fucking wild! Just imagine the shock value of seeing a completely different Rick and Shane come face to face with each other after so many years
Would’ve been so cool to speculate as to where Shane was the entire time if we didn’t keep with him. I’m sure people like myself would’ve made MANY videos on it 😂
That would have been awesome.
They would'ved loved eachother
Rick would've been like: "Mah Negan!"
lol I can just picture Shane coming out of the rv and being like m’ask you sum Rick you want all these people to die?
Everybody hates Shane until season 5, where they root for Rick to become more like him
Exactly!
Agree
He was a pretty realistic character, and I believe he would've made it in the apocalypse if he hadn't fallen for Lori.
@@mads7157 right
I actually loved Shane, I miss him still.
During that stand-off at the Farm, Shane never wanted to kill Rick. He had every opportunity and never pulled the trigger. You can see in his face at a point that it pains him to be doing that. But it was all an act to get Rick to grow some balls and cross the line. Shane was carrying too much emotional weight from knowing that Judith is his but will never BE his, so he lost the will to live. Forcing Rick to kill him in cold blood would ensure that Rick would change enough to be able to protect his family (all of whom Shane loved). And once again, he was right about that too. Rick only understood it waaaay down the line which is why he admits he regrets killing Shane in 9x5.
That's pretty deep and seems the truth
Nah Shane would’ve tried to kill rick after Lori’s death, putting the blame all on him
@@jasonoy3142 Probably. There's also a big chance that his paternal instinct would kick in and he would focus on Judith's care before mourning Lori's loss.
For me, him trying to kill Rick or letting Rick kill him can both be true. I think he was willing to kill Rick if he saw that Rick still couldn’t step up and take him out when he knows how dangerous he is to the group and would’ve believed that Rick was too weak to take care of them. However, like you said, I think Shane would’ve been fine or may have been trying to get Rick to kill him and would’ve accepted dying that way as well.
Jon Bernthal, Shane’s actor, seems to confirm this too. It seems like Shane realized and knew one of them needed to die there.
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln nah Shane was losing his mentality in s2, Lori’s death would just make him lose his mind completely
Shane didn’t beat Ed just because he put his hand on Carol, he used that as an excuse to take his anger out on someone because Lori wanted to distance herself and Carl away from him
Exactly
That's not true because Shane had morals and he was a cop,so you believe he would just watch this happen and do nothing to defend her?Lori was just a reason to give him extra punches
Lori was being a total bitch to Shane after everything he had done for the
@@Landeredits that’s what the original comment said my guy
@@Landeredits he didn't have to beat him to a pulp.
Having rewatched this show
Recently Lori definitely gave Shane just enough attention and care to keep him around knowing full well he had to go. On top of the fact that her reaction to Rick killing Shane after she specifically told him he would have to was TRIFLING.
Yeah, she was manipulating both of them. Sending mixed signals to Shane whenever it benefited her and then completely rejecting him again a few scenes later. She told Rick that Shane needed to be dealt with and that he was trying to take her and Carl away from him. Her reaction to Shane's death actually put Rick in a rage because he spent most of the remaining time she was alive, distancing himself from her and being extremely cold. She was ultimately responsible for Shane's death and Rick knew it.
If people couldn't see what she was doing prior to his death, I'm surprised they missed the most obvious sign when she rejects Rick's embrace shortly after finding out he killed Shane. It was in that moment Rick realized she loves Shane and as I mentioned, he distances himself from her completely after that. There wasn't even much of reconciliation between them before she dies.
@@panspermiapancakesin my opinion, i don't think that's why lori was disgusted. after hearing rick say he killed shane she was obviously shocked, and decided to talk to him personally. she was upset but accepted it, hugging him, then stepping back ready for him to turn towards her (as he had his back facing her). she only rejected his embrace after he told her that carl was the one who shot him after he reanimated into a walker. that was too far for her as she wanted to protect carl from becoming cold which as a mother makes sense. i'm not defending lori but she also has a right to be shocked after hearing what happened it wasn't easy for anyone. rick also didn't hate lori after that, if you watch season 3, rick breaks down and admits to lori (who he believes he's talking to on the phone) that he did still love her more than anything, but he couldn't be vulnerable and let shane's death and everything that went down get to him or else he wouldn't be able to lead and protect the group. he still loved lori and loved shane but couldn't risk breaking down and not being able to lead the group. rick is a great man who put his family and the group before himself that's why he's the goat of the show😊
@@ericacullen I just watched that scene again and I'd say you made a fair assessment. Granted, she did technically start removing her arms from around him the moment he mentioned Shane was killed. However, you're right that she didn't start breaking down and rejecting Rick until he mentions Carl.
I can understand where she was coming from when considering it from a motherly perspective since you mentioned it. I know that Rick still loved her but I felt like his distancing himself from her was an appropriate reaction to how she reacted to learning about Shane's death. If we want to be fair here towards Rick, Carl was only out in that field when Shane reanimated into a zombie is because Lori was supposed to be watching Carl at the farm house but like always, she lets him out of her sight and he takes off. Her reaction to Rick still wasn't called for because the only reason Carl shot Shane is because she let Carl out of her line of supervision.
I don't hate Lori, I think she is was an extremely accurate depiction of a real life woman that would have done anything needed to keep her son safe and that includes hooking up with a guy like Shane to keep him safe. The writing in the first two seasons were phenomenal when it came to group interactions and dialogue. It all felt so real with how each person was handling the outbreak. Lori's actress gets too much hate, she was doing everything the show writers wanted. lol
@@panspermiapancakes Well no one can watch their kid 24 hours adults too need time to handle their things. Carl wouldn't listen and constantly left when he was told not to. But I agree that knowing how he failed to listen so many times should have made Lori check on him from time to time. No one saw him leave the house.
@@ericacullen in my opinion she used carl as excuse to be upset when in fact she was angry that shane died
I always viewed Shane beating the living shit out of Ed not cause he was protecting Carol. No No no that was out of pure anger for ED not appreciating having a wife/partner. Something Shane so desperately wants in that moment
but also he was just taking out his anger he had for lori
Yeah, otherwise he would've beat Ed's ass a lot sooner.
@@IIIISai literally what I said lol
We all applaude Shane for beating Ed's abuser ass
Yea he was obviously taking out his anger after Lori confronted him
Shane was the most misunderstood character in the Walking Dead.
Yes, he had his moments where his temper would get the best of him, but that’s because the group at the time was still trying to adapt to the new world.
1. Keeping Randall alive while his group intentionally tried to kill Rick and Hershel at the bar was a huge risk. Randall even admitted to Shane right before he killed him, that his group was rough sometimes, especially towards women. Whose to say he wouldn’t have gathered up his people to the farm to get revenge?
2. Hershel was completely delusional keeping a barn full of walkers next to his family and the group. Even if he truly believed he could have saved those people, he was a threat to the group and himself had Shane not opened the barn.
3. Killing Otis wasn’t the moral choice but it was the only way he could have saved Carl. Both of them were injured and Otis was clearly out of shape to go any longer. This was still early in the apocalypse where walkers were considered fresh and more agile. Shane and Otis would have both died which means Carl wouldn’t have got the medical supplies needed to live.
Shane definitely had his flaws but he was the only one at the time who could make the tough calls for survival. Like he told Rick, “You can’t just be the good guy and expect to live, not anymore.”
I agree completely
I agree but people still won’t learn. It’s like they are bashing Shane for no reason.
Honestly, the whole reason why I can’t *completely* get behind Shane as a character is because of how he treated Lori. They both had their faults in the relationship, but the dude literally assaulted her and just generally wouldn’t take no for an answer.
Their whole relationship since Lori found out Rick was alive was literally just:
*Shane:* I love you. We should be together.
*Lori:* I was only with you because you told me my husband was dead. I have no feelings for you. At least not anymore. Ergo, I don’t want to be with you.
*Shane:* I’m gonna take that as a, “Try harder.”
Obviously Shane was way ahead of the curve and I can love him for that, but the dude was out of line in so many ways when it came to her.
Killing Otis was not 'Shane's flaw'. It was murder.
@@linaskranauskas Well, Rick said himself that he would’ve done the same thing. It was Carl’s life in the balance. To completely ensure he survives, one of them had to stay or get left behind while the other escapes. Shane did tell Otis that he should take the bags and go but Otis didn’t want to.
SHANE is definitely my favorite character. I feel like if SHANE was still alive and managed to get over the whole LORI situation he would've eventually gain more respect from the group in later seasons however they would still most likely want RICK as the leader. The character development within the group would continue to grow as well. The only thing I would say is SHANE'S physical presence would hinder RICK'S growth a little since killing him was supposed to be that major turning point in RICK'S journey throughout the series.
Even if the lori situation ended, rick would still never make the hard calls he needed to, cuz as soon as he killed Shane he changed, and Shane's little speech he gave to rick talking about " ima better man than you rick.... you just come back and destroy everything!" they're energies were colliding anyways, rick wanted shane to comeback to the farm but that would cause more problems
@@IIIISai Very true, especially since LORI got pregnant with SHANES baby, that would put the final nail in the coffin as well
why are we yelling everyone's name?
@@SerotoninSorbet lol I prefer to call it highlighting but I like to make words louder too
@@SerotoninSorbet idk SEROTONIN SORBET but its so fun 😁
disregarding the whole lori plot line (don’t even argue me he assaulted her), Shane was just too prepared for the world. others in the group wanted to cling to the way things were, to hold onto the ways of the old world even if that meant putting themselves or others in danger (risking people to go and look for Sophia, even though that almost got Daryl killed). He had a level head about the way things were now, it’s just the others didn’t see things his way. he was an asshole, stubborn, and in many ways a monster- but he was the blueprint for how the group survived years down the road.
All 100% true points
Look noones arguing shane had his faults in the cringe love quarrel, but so did lori lol, he was literally moving on and she just brought him back in, confusing signals, terrible wife and mother lol, love the actor though
John Brethnal the best
He assaulted her at the cdc, but it was consensual before Rick came back.
Stubborn assholes run the world were the best people their are as we see a solution we act on that solution that solution always wprks
Lori does play Rick and Shane against each other, tells Rick in the tent that Shane’s believes she and the baby are his,and while Shane was fixing the windmill and was set to leave, she played mind games telling him he should stay
Exactly
Asking Shane to stay could have been out of guilt. Telling Rick what was going on could have been out of fear especially after Dale got to her. Either way she had to live with her own actions too.
I’m going to paste something I responded to on another video. Lori giving Shane mixed signals all changes if you look at the scenes closely. See below:
Nah, we aren't tripping... Just hear me out. Yes. Lori told Shane to stay twice. The 1st time was S2 E3, IMMEDIATELY after Hershel saved Carl, thanks to Shane retrieving the medical supplies. After Hershel and Rick go to tell Patricia about Otis, Lori turns to Shane and gives a quick nod of appreciation. When Lori is at Carl's bedside, Shane comes in. He just gives her this pleading look like, "Do I still have to go? Can't I stay now?", which makes Lori feel obligated to say yes. In the next episode, Shane asks Lori for the 2nd time, saying, "Did you mean it when you told me to stay?". He asked her because he KNEW he's asked her that at the most vulnerable time he possibly could have. Shane had heard Carl was awake, and she says, yes and that he will make it. You NEVER see him go back in that room to check in on Carl again (after he returns with the supplies), so the ONLY REASON he went in there at that exact moment was to ask her to let him stay. That was the main thing he was worried about. This makes me seriously question his motives when he volunteered to go to the High school. Yes, he would do whatever he could to save Carl's life. It's obvious that he cares for him very much, but it feels like he KNEW Lori would feel indebted to him, and that is incredibly manipulative!! Go back and watch her facial expressions when he asked her if she meant it. She is caught between a rock and a hard place... what else could she say to that?? Pressuring her like that was a pretty rotten thing to do, if you ask me.
Look, Lori was a poorly written character at times, to be sure. You can see it multiple times throughout her run on the show. No argument from me there. Still... that doesn't negate the fact that Shane was a dick. He always did whatever he wanted, no matter what everyone else thought, and did not care if there were consequences. The ONLY time I saw Shane do something completely selfless was when he saw Carol stumble out of the bush after she lost Sophia. He helped her clean up, and I swear it made me wonder what he was up to, lol.
Rick seemed more like a Beta in S1 and S2 to me, even though everyone else saw him as the Alpha. Even Daryl said to Dale that when it comes down to it, Rick ultimately looks to Shane.
Lori only tells Rick that Shane is a danger after Dale tells her what happened to Otis. TBH, Dale really should have told Rick that Shane had him in his crosshairs back in S1. Everyone can see Shane spiraling. In S2 E9, Shane tells Lori that the two of them were "a long time coming". This shows me that Shane had had his eye on Lori LONG before Rick's accident or the start of the apocalypse. God, he was manipulative in so many ways! She then tells Rick that Shane is delusional, as he truly believes they should've been together a long time ago. Also, Shane KNEW there was a chance that Rick didn't die when the machines he was hooked up to at the hospital lost power, otherwise why would he have put that hospital bed up as a barricade in front of the door to Rick's room? He never told Lori, nor did he ever try to go check on the man who was his partner, best friend, and like a brother to him!
Lori is right when she says he is delusional. He is becoming more deranged by the day. Shane steadfastly believes something that is NOT TRUE, except in his own mind. This is what makes her warn Rick about him. It's that, plus the totality of everything (minus the issues she is unaware of, ie: Dale's concerning run-ins with Shane) that scares her. She knows he killed Otis and left him behind so he could get back to her and Carl. He says he loves her and that they are supposed to be together... and this puts her husband at risk!! When Rick hears this, he realizes she is right, as that is EXACTLY why he himself killed the two guys at the bar- so he could get back to his family. He says, "It was gonna be me [that lives] and not them, no matter what". She clarified the he killed the living to protect what is his, and that Shane thinks they are HIS. He thinks Rick cannot protect them and is going to get them killed. She is NOT wrong when she says he is dangerous and won't stop. They know him well and are aware that he will do whatever he wants and is unconcerned about the consequences... as I said earlier.
In S2 E10, when Rick pulls the car over to talk to Shane, he admits to Rick that he killed Otis. When he hears him say that it had to be him who survived and Otis that died, Rick knows without a doubt that Shane will see it the same way with him. When Rick says it took everything in him not to beat the shit out of Shane when he realized he'd slept with Lori, Shane sees how mentally strong Rick is (compared to himself), he knows they will end up fighting, and that Rick won't go down easily. He hears him say that he will stay alive in order to keep his family alive, and Shane realizes he will have to try to kill him. Shane then sees that lone walker in the field. I think he knows that if he doesn't change course, he will end up just like that... and SURPRISE!! Shane becomes a lone walker in a field at the end of it all. When they arrive at their destination, Shane does confess that he doesn't think Rick can keep them safe, just like Lori said. Then, when he realizes Daryl has now become Rick's right hand man, he sinks even deeper.
Yes, Lori inadvertently opens a can of worms when she goes to talk to Shane by the windmill (and that’s not her fault), but here's the bigger picture: she goes to APOLOGIZE to him for her part. She says she is sorry for putting the two of them at odds, unnecessarily complicating things. I think she thought he and Rick had let things go and were starting fresh, as that can happen sometimes after guys fistfight. She is empathetic with him, saying she knows how hard it must be for him that he might be the biological father, but that the baby can never be his. She also thanks him from the bottom of her heart for protecting her and Carl, and for being there for her. She genuinely apologizes for things getting confused between the two of them (for him AND for her), but at NO POINT has she EVER let him think there could ever be anything between them again, and that she is committed to Rick. Her coming to him to thank him and to apologize for the bad times IN NO WAY means she wants him back. I do not understand why someone would think it does. To me, it seems like the entire group, minus Shane, wants to move forward and get along. She was being the bigger person by going to him in order to clear the air. It is NOT her fault that he assumed there could be something still there. Shane just heard what he desperately wanted to hear. When someone assumes and doesn't communicate to be clear, it makes it incredible difficult to have a conversation in the future. It is immensely frustrating and does nothing to help the situation, and it may make that person feel unable to approach them again.
Shane wasn't wrong about everything. He was spot on about stopping the search for Sophia after coming to the conclusion that she was probably already dead by then, about what to do with Randall, about the walkers in the barn, and about Rick being more concerned about the hostage than with his own son. He is simply too aggressive and refuses to listen to others' viewpoints... then he goes and does what he wants anyway. He is headstrong, and is NOT a team player. Add all these issues up, and take into consideration that he is becoming increasingly unhinged, and you've got a BIG problem!!
@@anatorres9715when Shane wanted to leave after fixing the windmill, Lori told him that she doesn't know if the baby is his or Rick's prompting Shane to stay and do what he did. Lori is just as much to blame as Shane. She played him.
Plus she literally admits to putting them at odds
Shane didn't die - He just moved inside Rick's body
Ayo
hold up
Shane did not adapt he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.
@@AnythingLounge Shane adapted first, at a time where the group couldn't handle it. Rick had to evolve into Shane to survive.
@@gabigochev7703 Yh exactly right Shane adapted then went crazy because of his love for Lori but he still adapted to that world
my man really died because he couldn't stop simping
Idk why this comment is so funny to me 😂
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In my opinion, The Governor significantly impacted group by changing their perspective about people and viewing everyone as a threat. They had numerous chances to assassinate The Governor, but they chose not to, and that it cost them everything. The Governor took advantage of the fact that they were still somewhat civilized toward everyone and attacked them twice, destroying their home and killing many of the people they cared about. That changed them forever. Their perspective of people was changed as a result of those events because to The Governor. They eventually came to view people as being more dangerous than Walkers. Now they started to see everyone as an enemy and became more aggressive, taking any opportunity to eliminate any threat towards them.
True and not true because they still accepted the terminus people and was coming to them for help
Yes but if you may notice, they were alot more reluctant to trust them and had their doubts from the moment they entered it@@vhesiswayze1974
I think Terminix change the group forever because that was the first time Rick ditch diplomacy and just right up kill them.
I can’t wait for this 🔥 Rick really is just built different. His character is the tru essence of The Walking Dead. Basically a living example of “Whatever it takes”
I agree that Lori is very clear with Shane, verbally. However, it seems pretty obvious that she is hedging her bets, and making sure Shane will still be there for her, if something happens to Rick. She doesn't let Shane get too far away, before she reels him back in with her actions. I like to think this is why there's so much focus on Rick "leaving his family" to go on various runs and undertake various tasks. It's meant to elevate the possibility, in Lori's mind, that perhaps Rick won't return from one of these outings, and she will have to go back to plan B. If there's any doubt as to her intentions, it's made pretty clear by her reaction to finding out that Rick killed Shane. Shane was her back up plan. Rick took away an option for her and her burgeoning family, and she resented it.
Favorite character, played by possibly favorite actor. He played Shane so damn good.. so believable.. so torn between hating and loving his character at the same time.
Just the best. Absolute phenomenal performance by Jon Bernthal.
Wish he was still around.
Shane was right about the world and to this day I wonder how he would've handled Negan, the governor, and the whisperers
He would do nothing like he did while he was alive. He would just whine to Rick that he's a bad leader. when Rick was dealing with Randal's group, Shane was sitting at a table waiting for Hershel's food to be served to him.
He would’ve got himself killed against Negan stop playing
@@AnythingLounge ow yea and tbh governor was a way better fighter probably one of the best fighters and would kill shane in a fight. And I wouldn't be surprised if Shane would want to joint the animalistic mature of the whispers. Either way i don't think Shane was made to last lol. Cool character though.
@@linaskranauskas bro watched rip off walking dead
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He would have prevented the line up in the first place.
Rick is the reason that happened because he was deluded enough to think he had all of the power. Shane would have told Rick to avoid Negan.
Shane was very far ahead of the curve, and that's why most people hated him at first and why TWD fans cringe when thinking about Season 5 Rick, since Season 5 Rick became what Shane was in Season 2. Honestly Shane was one of my favorite characters early on in the series and it sucked to see him die and leave the show, however I take solace in how Negan more or less replaced what would be Shane and that could be why I liked Negan early on as well. They're both people who knew that kindness can only get you so far in a world without order and that has man-eating monsters roaming around. Maybe the similarities is why Rick chose to save Negan? Maybe he regretted killing Shane and wanted to try and make up for it to Lori' spirit to prove that he hadn't become a heartless man and still has some compassion left in his heart? That's my theory, anyway.
Good theory, and I agree
Makes sense and I also agree
But shane was a selfish sociopath who only cares about Lori and Carl. While I do agree on him being ahead of his time on some aspects he ultimately was too unstable to keep alive
@@Vaughxn That's true he was selfish (only cared about Lori, Carl, and Judith) but he wasn't a sociopath.
Nobody cringes when thinking about s5 Rick
I remember watching S2 hating Shane for what he was turning into. Then a few seasons later and it's everyone. Now looking back I appreciate his character so much more. Realizing that's what it takes to survive in TWD world.
Shane and Glenn are my two favorite characters. I see the most of myself in each of them.
Why do you relate to Shane is it because if you wanna live, you wanna survive, you gotta fight for it?
So you want to relate to Shane because you’re crazy as well? Because that’s pretty much all I can think when it comes to Shane. Shane did not adapt btw he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.
@@AnythingLounge All the choices Shane made are the same choice Rick and co did in later seasons. You’re telling me S5 Rick would’ve kept Randall around? If your answer is no, then you’re proving my point Shane adapted first
Cringe
@@UndyingHunger Shane was ready for the apocalypse. What Dale said about him being ready for that world was correct. Shane knew everything he needed to do to survive but couldn’t let go of Lori and Carl, which was his downfall.
Shane changed Rick in the sense that Rick had to be more Worry and Cautious when Meeting Someone who's Not Part of the group
The thing is. Rick knew what the world was pretty early on but he refused to accept it. Shane accepted it he even embraced it. When Rick finally accepts it he becomes even more brutal than Shane was. Due to him having time to stew on his experiences with Shane and The governor.
now see there isn't any love triangle, but Lori did constantly tell Shane & Rick different things. Like Shane is dangerous & can't be kept around, but also saying that Shane should stay on the farm.
Not romantically, but Lori was always sending mix messages on what was & wasn't okay for both Rick & Shane
Daaamn, imagine Shane in Negans place 💀💀💀
That would've been an interesting turn of events
Things would’ve probably went differently.
I don't think people give credit to the fact Judith is Shane's daughter because they did something dumb like killing off Rick's son.
just imagine Shane's daughter and Rick's son both being brother and sister fighting together, that would've worked perfectly.
Shane did not adapt 🤡 he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.
@@AnythingLounge yes he did, he adapted before anyone else did. What Rick becomes Shane already was, thus why at the end Rick sees Shane and is that anger Shane is trying to bring back out.
In a panel with Jon Berenthal, the idea of the scene where Shane dies is that he was supposed to know that his gun was unloaded the whole time, meaning that at the end, he actually wanted to get killed by Rick. After i saw this it actually changed my whole perspective of the scene. Shane was a good guy deep down but he went mad crazy with Lori, and even then, he felt bad about sleeping with Rick's wife, and i doubt that he tried to kill him with that Key, he had all the chances then and also before. After all the lies and going insane over a sexual adventure, he probably reached a point where he couldn't take it anymore and wanted to die, and at the same time test Rick to see if he had what it was necessary to protect his family.
How could the gun have been unloaded? He fires a shot, after he's stabbed by Rick. It goes harmlessly to Rick's left side, into the ground. It wasn't unloaded, at all. Watch closely at 6:28 of this very video, and you can see it.
@@jeffreytackett3922 it was an alternative scene of shanes death which was cut out. but i prefer it more bcs its just makes more sense
@@kristofvarga7518 it's more cooler and makes Shane a let of a bad guy. But it certainly makes no sense. At this point shane completely lost it and seemed pretty willing to kill Rick.
yeah. really REALLY REALLY wish they would have pointed out that he straight up assaulted Lori, or just not have done it if they weren't gonna address it. I have mentally ill and traumatized family (and have PTSD myself) and Shane was just acting so exactly like when someone has a self destructive breakdown from trauma. I hated that nobody really addressed that and what happened to him.
There was a thing Darabont wanted to do which whenever shane had a gun at rick and he dies rick would take his gun (I don't remember why) but he finds out its not loaded and shane wanted rick to take over the group.
Wasn’t that Jon Bernthals idea and then Darabont shot it down?
Shane was an awesome character; I only genuinely wished the writers didn't force Shane to go crazy over Lori. He shoulda just let her go when Rick arrived. Shane's death was wasted, it should have been used to protect Rick or Carl or really anyone else.
He died even sooner in the source material. Not to lose it wouldn't have made sense there was no way to bring a happy ending for Shane once Rick came back. He was right to want to leave and should have just done so.
Shane was an awesome character, helped alot by Jons performance as him. I also don’t think he was plain bad. He was a good leader, and the group definitely would not of survived with out him. His obsession with Ricks family was his downfall.
You realize Judith is his baby right? It’s Shane’s daughter
Date the actor! Date the actor! `They grow old so fast!´
seriously when the Grimes weren't involved, Shane was a great guy to every1 in the group
Shane is one of those characters that make you wonder what he'll be doing when he's still here in this moment of the series.
binge watched ur vids for about 3 weeks now incredible stuff keep it up
Thanks a lot man!
Shane was the realist. He focused on survival and made real time decision vs fake hope
Great vid🔥🔥🔥
Thank you 🙏🏻
Shane was right about the apocalypse, and wrong about his personal life. He shouldn’t have ever made moves on Lori once Rick was declared alive
Very well thought out video. I don't think people give Shane enough credit. He was definitely my fav character of all time in the show. I do believe he just died waaayy too fast man. It's sad cause they definitely could of made just epic storyline with Shane's character. Great video and I subbed this was a great video
Shane is my favorite character of all time. He wad just awesome and besides his arrogance and lust for Lori, he was mentally adjusted for the apocalypse. He just, fucking rules, and if he hadn't thought Rick had died or Rick HAD died, his character would be pure and he would've been an undisputed leader for the whole show. Sucks he had to die but honestly, I wouldn't love him if he were anything but what he was. Rest in pieces, Sheriff Shane
I feel like Shane had some what in reached potential in season one you could tell he was jealous, but then out of nowhere in season two they turned him into an absolute monster
Nice video!
Thanks!
Shane showed Hershel the real word, Rick showed Alexandria the real world, both crazy acts in a crazy way, Shane had Lori and Rick, Rick had Jesse and the doc, Rick wins both times, both times love ones die…
Shane was my second favorite character. Really liked the vid!
Thank you so much for this one!
Concept at the end would've been so cool if it was Shane! I'd love to see that! Awesome video dude
THANKS FOR THE VID👌🏼
6:02 that was clever editing.
I think another thing that made Shane mad is that he was essentially kicked out of the decision making process and had no voice when ideas were thrown out.
Shane was a great character. I really want to see how different the series would be if Shane never died.
if only he hadn't obsessed over Lori and Carl. i imagine that things could've have gone quite differently had he moved on and respected boundaries. perhaps he could've been a major character through more of the show, staying with the group. it's unfortunate that he was so obsessed but in the end it was his obsession leading to his death that ultimately developed Rick's character, which i believe to be very important
That was his only real issue his obsession with Lori and Carl. He became unhinged because of that it helped destroy him even if he could survive in the new world and already was seeing what had to be done to survive. But his obsession got the best of him in the end.
“Lori doesn’t play them against one another”
Let’s not forget why Rick Eye-Fucked the camera for the first time, come on.
Shane is my favorite character, not because of how good he was, but because of how realistic and flawed he was.
Lori is one of the biggest antagonist in the entire series!
I think people give Shane’s adaption to the new world too much credit. Shane was about himself, the only reason he wanted to lead the group was because it gave his life back some power that he probably lost from being a cop after the apocalypse break out. I think Rick’s and Shane’s friendship is very interesting because they are very similar, but I think Shane despised their differences because he felt that Rick had the potential to be better than him.
I find it interesting that many people talk about Shane being ahead of the curve and having what it takes to survive in this world, ignoring the fact that he was killed due to his erratic, unhinged nature. he died before the end of S2, so very early on. He understood some parts about the new world, but it takes more than that to survive, which he failed, so to me that nullifies his being ahead of the curve.
if you are on the verge of death, you would not think for more than 10 sec to kill another person who is not close to you to survive.... friends or family are another matter but deep down we have a will to live even though it might require sacrifices...
@@neogeo1670 did he have to kill Rick to survive? he's only dead cuz he kept trying to kill Rick but failed, and then ended up being killed himself
@@grungeg7086 i did not mean rick i ment the guy Shane shot in the leg
@@neogeo1670 Otis.
But not even including that, his insane obsession with Laurie caused him to act unhinged in *OTHER* situations.
@@grungeg7086 he could've killed rick very easily but didn't want to
Great video Shane’s one of the most interesting characters in the series for me!
I'm just glad that Shane got more time in the TV show than he did in the comics
8:21 so many things will be going through my head that’s scary and your right
02:51 it's crazy seeing carol crying like that, who would of thought she would become such a savage later down the road
Shane will always be one of my favourite characters in TWD
I honestly wish Shane stayed alive 😪 he was my favorite character.
The original end for Shane was so good, essentially Shane would pull on Rick, Rick would shoot him, Rick takes the gun, and when Shane begins to get up, he goes to shoot him with Shane's gun, only to find his gun was empty.
This was the original for the show?
@@tylermoeser9557 nah that was Kirkman and Bernthal's idea.
I would love to see a What If? Walking Dead Edition. Imagine if Rick died in the Hospital and Shane took leadership of the group. Would be really interesting. What would happen if Shane and The Governor crossed paths? Or even better, what would happen if Shane and Negan crossed paths? I would love to see an alternate version of the story.
Great vid man
One of the biggest problems with Shane in my mind is he was ruthless. Everyone in the show is ruthless now but not like Shane was. He shot ottis in the leg and left him behind as bait so he could escape. None of our characters today would do that to someone who is an ally. They might do it to an enemy but in my mind that’s different then doing it to someone who is part of your group. Ottis shot Carl on accident and never did anything to threaten the group he was quick to volunteer to get the supplies to help save his life.
he didnt shoot otis for revenge, he shot otis to slow down the zombies. otis was pulling him back, if he didnt shoot otis, he wouldn't have been able to bring the equipment hersel needed to save carol's life.
I started watching the series thru again from the pilot on a few weeks ago. I had forgotten how good Jon bernthal was as Shane. Those first 2 seasons had some great episodes!
2:52 no its not about the rules or lessons, from my perspective shane is protector of the group, he is technically a leader of the group, but not officially, and his strategy as a leader is protection. When members of the group can't get out of the city he is the one who tells everyone else to stay, and not puting group in danger just to save couple of members. Rick on the other hand is the begginer in this world, and belives that staying together, and helping frendly face is the right way to do it, and that's the reason first thing he does is goes back to the city believing that merle have a chance of redemption
I can imagine Shane getting banished and ending up as Negans right hand man, when they find Rick I could imagine him feeling conflicted about how everything went down with Negans introduction due to mellowing out over the years and having a talk with Rick, that's where he finds out Lori's dead and tries to kill Rick, saying 'I told you I could keep them safe, not you' and maybe having Carl have to kill him, or a grown up Judith.
Such a great video btw
2:50 I believe him beating Ed was mostly his frustration with Lori he probably would have punched him a few times knocked him down and told him to never do it again but because he was frustrated he damn near killed him
Rick and shane is like the yin and yang a balance shane thought logicallly while rick thought based on his emotions and morals
Love your videos man keep it up 🙌🏽💚
The Walking Dead demonstrates better than alot of media that the right thing, the smart thing, to do isn't cut and dry or set in stone.
Shane murdered two people and tried to kill Rick, so Rick killed him, and that decision saved his life.
Later when Carol murders two people in the prison community, instead of killing her, Rick sends her away, that decision also saved his life.
In Season 5 Rick basically became a feral pack animal, and that kept him and his family alive.
Season 6 onward Rick transitions slowly back into a much more compassionate and trusting person, and in doing that he became a great leader and an essential figure in the rebuilding of civilization.
Ultimately the biggest difference between Shane and Rick is that Shane was completely willing to let his surroundings change him, whereas Rick at his core is someone who wants to change his surroundings, and throughout the series we see the give-and-take of both philosophies.
This is really brilliant
Just imagine Rick, Shane, and dyral trio very dangerous trio who beat every group so easily like governor, terminus, sanctuary savior, whisperer
Lori did play Shane and Rick against one another, specifically in a scene where she was talking to Rick back in a tent in season 2.
Shane is a very good suprise villain I knew something was off tho when he shaved his hair
"Oblivious to the fact they'd been together" did you see the glances Rick and Shane gave each other!
Always thought Shane had one of the most tragic arcs, an unappreciated antihero in a complicated love triangle
They need a “what if…” series for the walking dead.
In every aspect shane is amazing but the lori stuff was terrible, but man looking back at his quotes "the right choice is the one that keeps us alive.... you gotta fight for it, right here right now!" and Jon bernthal being an amazing actor helps too, compelling eyes
4:41 she does. She actually does though. She literally became the Devil in Rick's ear.
Great video. I would have loved to have seen Shane banished and show up in the final season of the show as the last 'enemy' Rick/ Daryl and the group have to face.
They will never be another character like Shane on TV.
I look back at how I felt about Shane after Season 2, and I understand now how naive I was because I still believed in some kind of morale existed in the post-apocalyptic world but quickly realized after that their is no morality in the new world. It was about surviving and trying to keep yourself and what you value safe.
Shane is like Ned stark in game of thrones he’s in less then a 5th of all the episodes but they both set every event to occur from that episode further
Love ya thriftytypewriter you da bomb!!! twd. Great videos
Shane is so much more of a badass in the show. in the comics they're almost opposite personalities, I love what they did with his character.
Imagine everyone’s reaction if Shane replaced Neagan. Would’ve been an amazing twist in the comics
That be tight to see what if parts where Shane lives on
Okay I'm at 52 seconds and I just wanted to say this is the video I actually searched for not by name but I wanted a review of his character and I agree with your statement he was way ahead of the rest of the group of the reality they were facing
"I'd like to take full credit" it's all yours shane
Every time I go in to the comment section of a Shane video it's now met with people saying, "Shane was right from the start!" But when Shane was still in the show you couldn't find that energy anywhere.
A lot of y'all only realized he was right after he was proven right by the later seasons.
That’s very true 😂 I watched this show all the way from the beginning with my mom every Sunday and at the beginning she said that Shane’s right and I was blown away that she could think that and then around S5/6 I realized that Rick is now worse than Shane. Really brings the character of Rick full circle when you see it that way.
Shane got himself some vanilla. Rick got himself some chocolate.
Ever since it aired all those years back S2E10 "18 Miles out is" one of my, if not THE favorite Episode of mine.
Everything about this Episode is amazing.
Like you've said it's the boiling point of their relationship, plus Wye Oak really brought a Banger of a Song for.this Episode.
S2 in general was amazing: Here's a Headcanon I had for years.
Remember the crazy long haired Guy who attacked Terminus and got captured? The one who got free by the hand of Tick and Co just to die seconds later???
I like to think that he was the leader of Randall's group whi abandoned him.
Randall said that they were 30-ish men strong, lots of weapons, r*ping and robbing.
Sounds exactly like the group that attacked Terminus
That’s a shout actually cuz u didn’t hear from them at all after Randall everyone just assumed they had all died
interesting
@@IIIISai plus I you think about it.
Even tho they abandoned Randall they had to be in walking distance since Randall would have been able to take Shane to them by foot, so we can assume they might as well had to abandon their Hideout because of the horde that attacked the farm.
From there they stumbled across the Terminus Signs and attacked it
@@norbertbluhm6999 u have a creative mind, i agree with that theory, it's why everyone besides shane in s2 was weird, daryl told them randall and his ganged R*ped woman infront of their dads, and robbed and killed, but they wanted to free him, made 0 sense, anyways yea if the zombies didn't come, we don't know what woulda happened, and yea terminus was close, even woodbury, and the prison, the issue with the walking dead is they dont always follow up on concepts and stuff Anyways, they made tyresse have hallucinations of the govenor and dead characters, they didn't make rick have hallucinations of shane arguing, they only talked about shane once and judith even lori, this randall gang thing idea makes sense but in the terminus they killed the guy without explaination
@@IIIISai
It's all a big "What if".
Let's say Shane and Andrea did left the group, that would lead to Randall getting free and since he knew where the farm is and knew who Beth was they would have returned and turned the farm upside down.
Plus the Horde never came across the farm since there wouldn't be a gunshot to Shane's Guts which changed the path of the Horde In the first place.
I agree with you that there are many amazing concepts throughout the story that TPTB just abandoned and left with loose ends
Also I love your Username.
what's the music in the background starting at 8:40 ? it seems so familiar but i can't quite put my finger on it.
My fav character love John works he lives through juju hits different Shane was on governor mode before there was a governor lol
Shane in the show is better in TV show than the comics.
Yeah, most people know that, but the comics are still better than the show.
What happened to him in the comics anyway I know he dies early but why? Did he turn on Rick before they got to the farm or something?
@@downtothesnails3320 He got shot in the throat by carl in the book. Shane was alive for like 5 issues lol
I realized Shane was right after we witnessed Rick kill the guys in the bar when they threatened Rick, Hershel and Glenn and the rest of the group in season two
I think Shane was spent. He realized at his end he had nothing left in the tank. He had Rick dead to rights so many times in Better Angels episode but he couldn't bring himself to kill Rick. So he decided he would get Rick to kill him. He knew if Rick would kill him that Rick would be able to do what it took to protect the group.
Maybe they’ll be a vision like that in the Rick And Michonne tv show @8:19
What about having Shane finding his way to Woodsboro like good ole Merle and instead of Daryl but Rick get's caught. That would be cool to see Shane recognizing Ricks ability to protect the group while recognizing his wrongs and decided like Merle did in the TV timeline, to spare Michonne and kill the Governor, plus save Andrea in the process.
you could argue 3 because he spoke to Rick in the fantasy