Excellent. People need to know what BYU Scholars are teaching our youth. It is different to have discussions like your interview, but when they teach the prophets are wrong the embers of the church need to know. Today.s atmosphere illustrates the need to stand up and speak out. But if the members do not know, they cannot. Keep up the good work
I saw the petition a few days ago. I hesitated signing it because I didn't want to be critical of the church. I actually signed it because it is always good to do self reflection and look for ways to improve. If the Board of Directors aren't aware of something happening at the school, how can they evaluate it or look for improvement? I have heard of questionable theory being taught at BYU, but not out right continually teaching against basic church doctrine. It is upsetting to me. I would bet that more students don't speak out in classes and support the church doctrine because they are afraid of the grade they would receive from the professor.
I don't think signing the petition is being critical of the church. There are plenty of petitions out there trying to push these dangerous social ideologies forward.
So just a little questions, we have youth that are calling Leaders to the point of keeping what should be kept? Please lets all stand together and yes make the stand. Fall where it may the Truth is to stand for accuracy not excuses to change Gods law to match world changing needs
Hannah is amazing! Only interacted with her on Twitter in the past, so it's great to see this type of long-form conversation to really see her personality and intelligence shine through. Thanks Greg! (I'm sad I didn't see this until now)
As I was listening to this I couldn't help but think that too many people feel the need to 'understand" all things - especially in an educational setting. Instead of viewing all worldly philosophies through a lenses of testimony and a filter of "maybe that is something I cannot understand yet", people try to fit everything they know and hear into "boxes" that they have already labeled. I really feel that eternal principles are college level courses that we as "3rd grade level" learners need to accept as something we can't understand yet. All this knowledge will become clear eventually but we are not ready for the nuanced information yet. We are still working on the basics.
For example, gender identity, same gender attraction and all the life issues that come with this. How can we even begin to understand why people struggle with these issues in the first place? We can do scientific analysis of the brain to see how these issues affect us biologically but how are we even supposed to begin to understand gender in pre-mortal life, spirit versus mortal body in this life and the condition of our resurrected bodies later. All we know is "gender is eternal". That is such an ambiguous statement. We know there is an infinite number of ways our mortal bodies can develop, function and malfunction. When we have gender identity issues, is that a brain issue? A body issue? How much of our mortal body plays into this and how much of our spirit? Does our pre-mortal spirit even care really? We would have had to agree to this condition of our mortal bodies before we were born because of free agency. If there was nothing to be learned from these issues, it would not exist. There has to be a reason some people have these issues. And what does it mean to be a man or a woman in the eternities? It is mind boggling. I am willing to wait to find out and cut people some slack in this mortal life. We all have our own issues to deal with in this life and who says my issues are any "better" than your issues. In the end we all have to face Jesus, and thank goodness he loves us unconditionally. The proof is in our love for Him, really. So, wouldn't you say these are college level courses? I am probably not even asking the right questions with my 3rd grade understanding. I am willing to wait for this class 😉.
So, in the end, what I DO know is that we are supposed to follow the law of chastity, marriage between a man and a woman is eternal, and the law of sacrifice asks us to put God's will above our own - not because He wants to oppress us but because He loves us. When people feel the need to protest it is because they want things their own way. Going back to the 3rd grade analogy, it's like a third grade class getting together to protest multiplication. They think they know better and that the teacher should change things because the 3rd graders don't understand. We need to trust.
I appreciate that. I think one of the issues is that with the "multiplication" analogy, the teachers, despite the protesting, know why it is good for the students to learn multiplication. But with many of the "tests" that you have mentioned, we don't know why they are given, though we may have a vague understanding of opposition and sacrifice. I agree that "in the end", "we need trust".
Hannah hit the nail on the head when she said the University, Maxwell Institute cares too much about being a world-class institution and accepted by the secular world. That was never their purpose.
I sincerely hope that this issue will be taken up with the Brethren and taken care of for the sake of our children! Let's take Heavenly Father's divine broom (A Douglas E. Brinley quote from his book AMERICA IN PERIL) and sweep these people off the campus! I have seen some of this myself, as an author, being the rebel of the group for QUOTING JOSEPH SMITH! Even today I have been accused of teaching false Doctrine by quoting Bruce R. McConkie! It's so sad that this type of thing has crept into our church run school. I know I'm old...a grandmother of 17...but the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is the word of God. That word has NOT changed! I'm so sad.
People like Hanna offer some optimism. But don't hold your breath! I can see a day, very soon, where we will choose not to reference many of the Prophets and leaders of the church because of something did or said. It is like someone being fired from their job because of a tweet from ten years ago.
I've never been PC so I will not stop using the Brethren as references! I might be released from my callings but I won't let the "woke" culture stop me. The time I was accused of teaching false doctrine a member of the Stake Presidency was in my class and thankfully he didn't take exception to what I said. We were discussing Isaiah. I worked for two weeks to have the proper information about his teachings. Sigh. I just hope the Savior comes soon. Thank you for what you are doing.
I love the book Salvation by Allegiance Alone. It goes into translating pistis as allegiance. Pretty interesting. Also, to think of that in relation to coronation, the temple, and the act of fealty. Misreading Scriptures through Western Eyes touches on this too. They have a second book coming out soon. Really love it. Thanks for the video! Just wanted to share those books that I found helpful in relation to faith.
Gender at 3:48. Gender as a social construct is big in the social sciences. Professors at BYU who say that are coming from Women's Studies, Sociology, and Political Science.
Gender is an eternal principle and that it was given to each of us. As Hannah was talking about this, a thought struck me. We know that agency or the ability to chose is an eternal principle, in fact it was that principle that the War in Heaven was, and is continuing to be, fought over. We have been taught that we were first intelligences. What if, as intelligence we had no gender and that we in fact chose to be born into God's family as a male or as a female spirit. So each of us was given the choice to be male or female in the pre-existance.
I really liked this interview. And agree with where Hanna is coming from. However I feel I need to say something about 15 to 20 in around gay/gender issues. I don’t mean to be offensive, or cause trouble, I just want to share my point of view as a gay member of the church. You referenced elder Bednar’s talk. Which I do agree with wholeheartedly. However, and I thought this at the time I heard the talk, by saying there are no gay members of the church......which in relation to being sons and daughters of God 1st....is true. But I think this kind of phraseology is problematic. I AM a son of God 1st and foremost. However I am also gay. I have been in the church for nearly 3 years now. And therefore have faithfully lived the Law Of Chastity. But does this mean I’m no longer gay?......NO. I have discovered in this journey that my sexuality is sooooooo much more than sexual behaviour. It’s also about how I relate to myself, the world, other males and females. Ways that have nothing to do with sexual behaviour. By saying I should just forget the fact that I’m gay and just identify as a ‘child of God’, completely dismisses this other part of who I am. What straight people seem to fail to recognise is that they don’t need to take on an identity as being ‘straight’, our culture is saturated in that already. From the cradle to the grave. By way of illustration: please put yourself in a totally lgbtq social situation or event, I think you will very quickly be self identifying as ‘straight’. By asking gay people to not self identify as gay or whatever, is asking us to put ourselves back in the torturous closet of pretending something we are not! It might be more comfortable for straight people in the church to pretend we are not here. But please bear in mind. We are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters. We were not produced by homosexual parents. Our parents were straight. I have other stuff to say about the gender stuff as well, sorry. I don’t have any theories or solutions. And I agree with apostles and prophets and the scriptures that gender is eternal. So I don’t know.....maybe things got mixed up on the way down to getting our earthy bodies., I really don’t know. O and I totally agree with the family proclamation. All I’m saying is a significant proportion of the population have gender dysporia , and has done for recorded history. So how do we deal with this in the context of the Gospel.......I don’t know. But Heavenly Father does. So I guess......watch this space. Finally, I love the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know the Book of Mormon is the word of God. And I know we are lead by a Prophet of God. And I fully sustain the brethren. I really hope you guys don’t think that I’m trying to cause trouble, I’m not. I just hope you would appreciate a slightly different thought. Kindest regards
Kia ora Craig. I was wondering what your thoughts might be on that exact issue- identity. Your comments are always welcome! No need to walk on egg shells haha. How do we work through this? I don't know for sure. I agree with what Hanna and Elder Bednar said in terms of "identity". That is, that we are first and foremost children of God. But I completely agree with you on what you say about how your relate to others and likely to the world as a whole. I get it! But there is also another identity, the individual. And I am afraid that we are quickly running away from this. I believe that this too should be placed before other identities. Without it, we risk losing charity and treating each other with the respect that we each deserve. What I am saying is that it seems that treating someone, let's say a gay man, first as a child of God, second as an individual, and then ALSO, third as gay, is the best form of respect and charity that can be offered. My concern with Identity Politics is that the first two are swept aside for the group label. In "Cwic" talk, I might say that I am setting aside the first two phases of the priesthood if the first thing I think of another is that they are gay, or of another race, or whatever. The first two of those identities are things that each of us has in common and I think that is where things should start. What do you think?
@@CwicShow kia ora Greg. Yip I agree. Identity Politics is a completely new thing for me. So I need to look into and find out what it is. Gender is really really tricky and I don't even know how to speak to it. It is becoming issue over here, in nz. Actually the school that I work at is just starting to get together a policy to address gender issues.
@@CwicShow yes I think ,particularly in my church and Ward setting, the 1st 2 phases of the priesthood operate in my relationships with people. My orientation very rarely comes up, but also I dont feel I need to hide it. My main concern is for young people that are brought up in our church.
Thanks I thought this was very good. I would like both the Host and Guest thoughts on Victor Davis Hansen Ph.d Classics from Stanford. He is screaming a ton of this but still not being a member of the church, Educated at Stanford and still lives and works from Southern Cal
At 2:35. The church leadership has not taught women to be stay at home moms for 20 years. It certainly has not been spoken of in general conference since 2001. I asked a 70 about this. Women can choose if they want to, but higher education and a career are emphasized more than in the past. Having said that, you probably do see a lot more stay at home moms in LDs families that live in high LDS population areas like Arizona, Utah, Idaho and California.
I wouldn't say that. The Church continues to teach mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. That often necessitates staying home. The Church encourages women to get an education but it seems to be in preparation for a potential need, not as an automatic means to a career that may conflict with their more primary role.
If you are an academic university, you must adhere to the standards placed on you by academia. Academia by definition is defined by the outside world, NOT the church. If you would like your "university" to adhere to your own non academic standard, then you are free to make such an institution, just don't complain when it's not accredited by the outside world of academia.
I don't think anyone claimed anything different. I don't think there are any "academic standards" that are not being followed. BYU is an excellent university. it is primarily the Humanities Dept that is delving deeper into Critical Theory and all of the outgrowth disciplines of Critical Theory. Critical Theory is not an "academic standard". It is a political ideology.
@@CwicShow Thank you for the reply. And I apologise for the harshness of my original comment. I think I disagree with Seariac on some key points. First of all, her problem with professors' open dislike of the family proclamation, a non academic document. Really I have no problem with professors critiquing openly the family proclamation if they're doing so on academic standards. To be quite honest, some academic disciplines simply contradict the family proclamation entirely. For example, research on gender and sex shows that it's much more complicated than a simple binary. We just need to look at intersex people for that. Secondly, she uses too much of a broad brush when she states that critical theory is useless. I honestly don't understand what her problem is with critical theory. You can see much of its background here: plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/
I was so looking forward to listening to Come Follow Me, Helaman 7-12. Guess it’s time to unsubscribe after listening to this. I follow my prophet and the Proclamation to the Family and other guidelines he gives us.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. That is exactly what this is talking about. The guest is defending the Family Proclamation. What didn't you like about it?
@@CwicShow She sounded very liberal to me. I don't think we should question what the Prophet says. Why would anyone want to change the name of BYU and tear Brigham Young's monument down. I believe we should respect the gay community, but we don't have to agree with their views. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I wish your Come Follow Me's came out each Monday. I couldn't find this weeks, but I see it was posted this morning. I enjoy the Come Follow Me lessons. Thanks for responding to my comment.
You should listen to it again. I don't mind if she's liberal, but she is definitely not. The whole reason I interviewed her was because an article was written about her in the Salt Lake Tribune standing up for the Family Proclamation. You should give it another chance. By the way, I will have people on the interviews that are "liberal". I want dialogue. But I would never support anything that went against the church.
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Excellent. People need to know what BYU Scholars are teaching our youth. It is different to have discussions like your interview, but when they teach the prophets are wrong the embers of the church need to know. Today.s atmosphere illustrates the need to stand up and speak out. But if the members do not know, they cannot. Keep up the good work
It is concerning.
Hanna may very well be the next Hugh Nibley. I'm so very excited for her future in the church. We are lucky to have her.
I saw the petition a few days ago. I hesitated signing it because I didn't want to be critical of the church. I actually signed it because it is always good to do self reflection and look for ways to improve. If the Board of Directors aren't aware of something happening at the school, how can they evaluate it or look for improvement? I have heard of questionable theory being taught at BYU, but not out right continually teaching against basic church doctrine. It is upsetting to me. I would bet that more students don't speak out in classes and support the church doctrine because they are afraid of the grade they would receive from the professor.
I don't think signing the petition is being critical of the church. There are plenty of petitions out there trying to push these dangerous social ideologies forward.
Can we get C.S. Lewis to weigh in!?😉
So just a little questions, we have youth that are calling Leaders to the point of keeping what should be kept? Please lets all stand together and yes make the stand. Fall where it may the Truth is to stand for accuracy not excuses to change Gods law to match world changing needs
This is coming to a head in the church. It is mostly unknown by the membership in general, but that won't last long.
Thank you for having the courage to speak up about this! Love it. You are 100% correct.
Thanks for watching!
Hannah is amazing! Only interacted with her on Twitter in the past, so it's great to see this type of long-form conversation to really see her personality and intelligence shine through. Thanks Greg! (I'm sad I didn't see this until now)
I love your 4 interpreters! I am using them myself! Thank you for speaking out and being a voice for the truth!
You will find more meaning in the scriptures with them!
@@CwicShow what are the four interpretors?
www.cwicmedia.com/4-interpreters
As I was listening to this I couldn't help but think that too many people feel the need to 'understand" all things - especially in an educational setting. Instead of viewing all worldly philosophies through a lenses of testimony and a filter of "maybe that is something I cannot understand yet", people try to fit everything they know and hear into "boxes" that they have already labeled. I really feel that eternal principles are college level courses that we as "3rd grade level" learners need to accept as something we can't understand yet. All this knowledge will become clear eventually but we are not ready for the nuanced information yet. We are still working on the basics.
I like what you say here. Can you clarify a little more?
For example, gender identity, same gender attraction and all the life issues that come with this. How can we even begin to understand why people struggle with these issues in the first place? We can do scientific analysis of the brain to see how these issues affect us biologically but how are we even supposed to begin to understand gender in pre-mortal life, spirit versus mortal body in this life and the condition of our resurrected bodies later. All we know is "gender is eternal". That is such an ambiguous statement. We know there is an infinite number of ways our mortal bodies can develop, function and malfunction. When we have gender identity issues, is that a brain issue? A body issue? How much of our mortal body plays into this and how much of our spirit? Does our pre-mortal spirit even care really? We would have had to agree to this condition of our mortal bodies before we were born because of free agency. If there was nothing to be learned from these issues, it would not exist. There has to be a reason some people have these issues. And what does it mean to be a man or a woman in the eternities? It is mind boggling. I am willing to wait to find out and cut people some slack in this mortal life. We all have our own issues to deal with in this life and who says my issues are any "better" than your issues. In the end we all have to face Jesus, and thank goodness he loves us unconditionally. The proof is in our love for Him, really. So, wouldn't you say these are college level courses? I am probably not even asking the right questions with my 3rd grade understanding. I am willing to wait for this class 😉.
So, in the end, what I DO know is that we are supposed to follow the law of chastity, marriage between a man and a woman is eternal, and the law of sacrifice asks us to put God's will above our own - not because He wants to oppress us but because He loves us. When people feel the need to protest it is because they want things their own way. Going back to the 3rd grade analogy, it's like a third grade class getting together to protest multiplication. They think they know better and that the teacher should change things because the 3rd graders don't understand. We need to trust.
I appreciate that. I think one of the issues is that with the "multiplication" analogy, the teachers, despite the protesting, know why it is good for the students to learn multiplication. But with many of the "tests" that you have mentioned, we don't know why they are given, though we may have a vague understanding of opposition and sacrifice.
I agree that "in the end", "we need trust".
@@CwicShow "Dad is great! He gives us chocolate cake!". It's a vague reference but obliquely applicable. 😀
Hannah hit the nail on the head when she said the University, Maxwell Institute cares too much about being a world-class institution and accepted by the secular world. That was never their purpose.
Scary times ahead. Satan never lets up. Thanks for these enlightening and well thought out responses.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Enjoyed the interview.
Could you give the link to Hanna’s podcast....sounds interesting. Thanks for all you do.
Thank you! Here's the link- www.fairmormon.org/blog/category/podcast/hosts/hanna-seariac
I sincerely hope that this issue will be taken up with the Brethren and taken care of for the sake of our children! Let's take Heavenly Father's divine broom (A Douglas E. Brinley quote from his book AMERICA IN PERIL) and sweep these people off the campus! I have seen some of this myself, as an author, being the rebel of the group for QUOTING JOSEPH SMITH! Even today I have been accused of teaching false Doctrine by quoting Bruce R. McConkie! It's so sad that this type of thing has crept into our church run school. I know I'm old...a grandmother of 17...but the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is the word of God. That word has NOT changed! I'm so sad.
People like Hanna offer some optimism. But don't hold your breath! I can see a day, very soon, where we will choose not to reference many of the Prophets and leaders of the church because of something did or said. It is like someone being fired from their job because of a tweet from ten years ago.
I've never been PC so I will not stop using the Brethren as references! I might be released from my callings but I won't let the "woke" culture stop me. The time I was accused of teaching false doctrine a member of the Stake Presidency was in my class and thankfully he didn't take exception to what I said. We were discussing Isaiah. I worked for two weeks to have the proper information about his teachings. Sigh. I just hope the Savior comes soon. Thank you for what you are doing.
I'm the same. Not too PC! And you're welcome.
I love the book Salvation by Allegiance Alone. It goes into translating pistis as allegiance. Pretty interesting. Also, to think of that in relation to coronation, the temple, and the act of fealty.
Misreading Scriptures through Western Eyes touches on this too. They have a second book coming out soon. Really love it.
Thanks for the video! Just wanted to share those books that I found helpful in relation to faith.
I'll look them up! Thank you.
Gender at 3:48. Gender as a social construct is big in the social sciences. Professors at BYU who say that are coming from Women's Studies, Sociology, and Political Science.
The Proclamation should become a new section in The Doctrine and Covenants.
Loved this. Thanks both of you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Gender is an eternal principle and that it was given to each of us. As Hannah was talking about this, a thought struck me. We know that agency or the ability to chose is an eternal principle, in fact it was that principle that the War in Heaven was, and is continuing to be, fought over. We have been taught that we were first intelligences. What if, as intelligence we had no gender and that we in fact chose to be born into God's family as a male or as a female spirit. So each of us was given the choice to be male or female in the pre-existance.
THIS IS TERRIFYING!! Where is the petition to have this removed from the University?
I have a brother that works at BYU, I had to call him about all these crazy ideas!
Please share the talk by Dallin H. Oaks
rsc.byu.edu/historicity-latter-day-saint-scriptures/historicity-book-mormon
I really liked this interview. And agree with where Hanna is coming from.
However I feel I need to say something about 15 to 20 in around gay/gender issues.
I don’t mean to be offensive, or cause trouble, I just want to share my point of view as a gay member of the church.
You referenced elder Bednar’s talk. Which I do agree with wholeheartedly. However, and I thought this at the time I heard the talk, by saying there are no gay members of the church......which in relation to being sons and daughters of God 1st....is true. But I think this kind of phraseology is problematic.
I AM a son of God 1st and foremost. However I am also gay. I have been in the church for nearly 3 years now. And therefore have faithfully lived the Law Of Chastity. But does this mean I’m no longer gay?......NO. I have discovered in this journey that my sexuality is sooooooo much more than sexual behaviour. It’s also about how I relate to myself, the world, other males and females. Ways that have nothing to do with sexual behaviour.
By saying I should just forget the fact that I’m gay and just identify as a ‘child of God’, completely dismisses this other part of who I am.
What straight people seem to fail to recognise is that they don’t need to take on an identity as being ‘straight’, our culture is saturated in that already. From the cradle to the grave. By way of illustration: please put yourself in a totally lgbtq social situation or event, I think you will very quickly be self identifying as ‘straight’.
By asking gay people to not self identify as gay or whatever, is asking us to put ourselves back in the torturous closet of pretending something we are not!
It might be more comfortable for straight people in the church to pretend we are not here. But please bear in mind. We are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters. We were not produced by homosexual parents. Our parents were straight.
I have other stuff to say about the gender stuff as well, sorry.
I don’t have any theories or solutions. And I agree with apostles and prophets and the scriptures that gender is eternal. So I don’t know.....maybe things got mixed up on the way down to getting our earthy bodies., I really don’t know. O and I totally agree with the family proclamation. All I’m saying is a significant proportion of the population have gender dysporia , and has done for recorded history. So how do we deal with this in the context of the Gospel.......I don’t know. But Heavenly Father does. So I guess......watch this space.
Finally, I love the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I know the Book of Mormon is the word of God. And I know we are lead by a Prophet of God. And I fully sustain the brethren.
I really hope you guys don’t think that I’m trying to cause trouble, I’m not. I just hope you would appreciate a slightly different thought.
Kindest regards
Kia ora Craig. I was wondering what your thoughts might be on that exact issue- identity. Your comments are always welcome! No need to walk on egg shells haha.
How do we work through this? I don't know for sure. I agree with what Hanna and Elder Bednar said in terms of "identity". That is, that we are first and foremost children of God. But I completely agree with you on what you say about how your relate to others and likely to the world as a whole. I get it!
But there is also another identity, the individual. And I am afraid that we are quickly running away from this. I believe that this too should be placed before other identities. Without it, we risk losing charity and treating each other with the respect that we each deserve. What I am saying is that it seems that treating someone, let's say a gay man, first as a child of God, second as an individual, and then ALSO, third as gay, is the best form of respect and charity that can be offered. My concern with Identity Politics is that the first two are swept aside for the group label. In "Cwic" talk, I might say that I am setting aside the first two phases of the priesthood if the first thing I think of another is that they are gay, or of another race, or whatever.
The first two of those identities are things that each of us has in common and I think that is where things should start. What do you think?
@@CwicShow kia ora Greg. Yip I agree. Identity Politics is a completely new thing for me. So I need to look into and find out what it is.
Gender is really really tricky and I don't even know how to speak to it. It is becoming issue over here, in nz. Actually the school that I work at is just starting to get together a policy to address gender issues.
@@CwicShow yes I think ,particularly in my church and Ward setting, the 1st 2 phases of the priesthood operate in my relationships with people.
My orientation very rarely comes up, but also I dont feel I need to hide it. My main concern is for young people that are brought up in our church.
@@CraigNewsome. I think you should be concerned for them. Everyone deserves to be loved and strengthened. Especially those on the margins.
@@CraigNewsome. Identity politics will spread there too.
What a brilliant young woman!
Where can we find the petition at?
I don't know if it is still around.
Thanks I thought this was very good. I would like both the Host and Guest thoughts on Victor Davis Hansen Ph.d Classics from Stanford. He is screaming a ton of this but still not being a member of the church, Educated at Stanford and still lives and works from Southern Cal
Can you be more specific on your reference to Victor Davis Hansen?
Does critical theory include any theories on deconstructing a persona and their purity or righteousness?
No sure I understand the question. Which persona?
At 2:35. The church leadership has not taught women to be stay at home moms for 20 years. It certainly has not been spoken of in general conference since 2001. I asked a 70 about this. Women can choose if they want to, but higher education and a career are emphasized more than in the past. Having said that, you probably do see a lot more stay at home moms in LDs families that live in high LDS population areas like Arizona, Utah, Idaho and California.
I wouldn't say that. The Church continues to teach mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. That often necessitates staying home. The Church encourages women to get an education but it seems to be in preparation for a potential need, not as an automatic means to a career that may conflict with their more primary role.
At 3:14. Gender is not eternal and is fluid? Where does the Church say that?
Isn't BYU a church school ?
No, BYU is a football school.
What happened to her 😢
I like her
What the hell is "gender studies"?? Can you get a degree in "gender studies"? If so, what do you do with that?
What is wrong with following God he says this life style is an Abomination
If you are an academic university, you must adhere to the standards placed on you by academia. Academia by definition is defined by the outside world, NOT the church.
If you would like your "university" to adhere to your own non academic standard, then you are free to make such an institution, just don't complain when it's not accredited by the outside world of academia.
I don't think anyone claimed anything different. I don't think there are any "academic standards" that are not being followed. BYU is an excellent university. it is primarily the Humanities Dept that is delving deeper into Critical Theory and all of the outgrowth disciplines of Critical Theory. Critical Theory is not an "academic standard". It is a political ideology.
@@CwicShow Thank you for the reply. And I apologise for the harshness of my original comment.
I think I disagree with Seariac on some key points. First of all, her problem with professors' open dislike of the family proclamation, a non academic document. Really I have no problem with professors critiquing openly the family proclamation if they're doing so on academic standards. To be quite honest, some academic disciplines simply contradict the family proclamation entirely. For example, research on gender and sex shows that it's much more complicated than a simple binary. We just need to look at intersex people for that.
Secondly, she uses too much of a broad brush when she states that critical theory is useless. I honestly don't understand what her problem is with critical theory.
You can see much of its background here: plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/
I was so looking forward to listening to Come Follow Me, Helaman 7-12. Guess it’s time to unsubscribe after listening to this. I follow my prophet and the Proclamation to the Family and other guidelines he gives us.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. That is exactly what this is talking about. The guest is defending the Family Proclamation. What didn't you like about it?
@@CwicShow She sounded very liberal to me. I don't think we should question what the Prophet says. Why would anyone want to change the name of BYU and tear Brigham Young's monument down. I believe we should respect the gay community, but we don't have to agree with their views. Marriage is between a man and a woman. I wish your Come Follow Me's came out each Monday. I couldn't find this weeks, but I see it was posted this morning. I enjoy the Come Follow Me lessons. Thanks for responding to my comment.
You should listen to it again. I don't mind if she's liberal, but she is definitely not. The whole reason I interviewed her was because an article was written about her in the Salt Lake Tribune standing up for the Family Proclamation. You should give it another chance.
By the way, I will have people on the interviews that are "liberal". I want dialogue. But I would never support anything that went against the church.
I will hopefully be able to get ahead of things here shortly and get the new Come Follow Me episodes out the week before.
Thanks for watching!
Maxwell Institute should be changed to the Pride Institute.
I'm reserving judgment.