Lifelong Giants fan and a working professional with executive leadership training. All I can say, and it pains me to do so, is that this is a damning state of current affairs on the Giants organization. It saddens me that it has got so bad that our former GM, who was the architect behind three World Series champions teams, doesn't root for the Giants.
Lifelong Giants fan. I stopped rooting for the Giants after they hired Kapler and after watching all the games, stopped until he was gone. If they hire a Kapler clone like Kai or (God forbid), Alyssa, I'll give up hope for any positive changes.
Great to see these two great minds together again. I have good memories Larry when you had the evening show at KNBR and you’d call Ned. Great conversations. Thanks for getting these two together and pick their minds and past memories. The trials and tribulations that comes with producing a winning organization. Thanks again Larry
This is so depressing to hear. Even though no one said Bochy was pushed out, all the signs lead said he was. Now that we have proof, this makes the Farhan Kapler years look even worse. Waiting for the day Farhan gets fired.
They all saw the writing on the wall. I'll never forget in 2014 when they showed Sabean in the booth getting emotional after clinching the NLCS...This Ownership and Farhan are a F'N JOKE
Amazing interviews - love you asked the good questions of Ned and Brian. Thank you for this great interview Larry!!! I always wanted to understand why they departed.
Sabean did a great job picking the Managers. Even Felipe Alou was a lot better choice than Kapler. I never thought Kapler was the right hire. Zaidi has completely botched his opportunity, but the Giants' front office apparently needs to see a few more disastrous seasons before they start thinking about moving on from him. Thank you Brain Sabean for the great run! Those were the greatest years as a Giants fan that anyone can ask for!
@@TheChosennn Yeah and I don't know how you let him set up the team with a Manager going forward if the guy is going to be gone in a year. Leads me to think he's going to be around beyond 2024.
2 months later and this comment is a huge understatement. Meaning there are no words to describe how badly Baseball has been handled by this Money Man Ownership group. The First thing is to fire Zaidi and hire a real Baseball Man to re-build our team. Short of a "dirt of the basepaths and green grass stain" guy filling in the spread sheet cells, we're nothing than the ineffective robot product as long as we are a strictly first and last a numbers organization. Pitchers and Catchers report in 2 weeks and we've got more competent Catchers than we do Pitchers. Sign as many pitchers as you can, Build a 1-5 Rotation and a 6 seat Bullpen. NOW! We've got the bats. Stop platooning seasoned pros! place Major League hitters at the 7 positions. Reinforce the good skills behind the plate. Build a line-up, prioritize the subs, and let 'em PLAY! It would be a plus to hire a Pitching Coach.
You know its funny, of all the major professional sports, baseball was the one that dived in COMPLETELY into analytics, while casting asside the old guard, or 'wisdom' as Ned Colletti mentioned. And the irony of it is, it is maybe the one popular sport that does better when they apply old school knowledge and teaching rather than the new school approach. I'll just give one example. A long time ago, before the days of shifts or exaggerated shifts, each player studied their opponents and knew to cheat towards the line, off the line, or if you were an outfielder, you played in against certain guys, and back towards the track against others. Willie Mays was such an astute player that he routinely took hits away from guys, or extra bases, not only due to his immense speed and skill as an outfielder, but because he knew each guy's tendencies. You then fast forward 55-60 years into the future from Willie's time, and all of the sudden front offices thought it was easier, or better, to let computer generated tendencies dictate what players had already been doing INSTINCTUALLY for over 120 years... Now, with all the rule changes, they are realizing that if they automate these human players themselves to all play the exact same way, that the product diminishes severely because of it, and even worse, you diminish these talented young ballplayers from having to learn all those tendencies themselves, and play instinctually, aggressively.
You never hire, a rival employee, for a high position on your team. That person will INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGE the organization and set it back at least a decade of futility. FIRE FARHAN IMMEDIATELY.
I am rooting for a Rangers Diamondbacks world series, much preferable to any alternative. Would be nice to see Boch get another ring and the DBacks have been a good Cinderella story.
Giants fan since I was 8, so 61 years now and I find myself watching Bochy and Baker duking it out in a quest for the AL crown, then watch a video on You Tube about who the Giants are interviewing for the manager position. I get the token interviews but they need a solid manager who's been in the game, someone who can attract talent. Bochy or Baker would have been just that. They just seem to be going in the wrong direction these days...
Giants fans totally clueless, entirely miss the point even after five six years of this schitty regime, shifty, shady, sketchy from day one a miserable joke. Farhan ain't after a strong mgr!! Only needs order takers, period, wake up, this is fast food defiant, Oakland A s strategy in sf. Own it
Thanks for the honesty!! I’ve been a giants fan since 1958 age 6 My Dear Dad who gave me the love for Giants & many baseball players of the 60s & 70s. I’m 72 now & no longer a Giants fan except for a few players Yaz & Romoz. Farnham & Kepler robbed many Giants fans & players. Of of what use too be a Great organization I’m a Pirates & Braves fan now.
Kapler’s gone thank God, maybe there’s hope for the organization…then a “token”managerial interview to Alyssa Nakken? Virtue signaling wokesters still running the front office. Business as usual. Won’t see another Boche type from these guys.
Man I always KNEW they didn’t leave on their own terms, SAD what they’ve done with the organization. Really miss the previous regime, will continue to silently protest the Giants until they clean house
The giants ownership has made me not as big as a fan. Sabean and Bochy are MLB royalty . And the giants treated em like bums. And literally brought over a former BUM to play GM
I will forever be thankful for those 3 WS, I never thought they would come. I, however, do not have agreat nostalgia for Sabean.....at all, nor his successor when he got bumped up. Sabean was in charge for a looooong time and made a ton of mistakes and basically shit on the farm system and signed a bunch of middling dudes when he had the most destructive hitter the world has known. Then he gets some help in the front office scouting department and they finally draft well for about 4 or 5 years. Build a team that's good not great, but at the helm is a post season magician and they persevere and win those 3 WS. The fact they were a 500 or lower team the years between those WS victories shows you they were not a great team. The problem is after 2014 they kept trying to throw whatever they could at the roster and signed no significant players or drafted and developed significant players. So now you get the malaise the franchise is in right now. The folks in charge now are no better and they have actually made the Giants unwatchable and hard to root for. I've been a fan since the mid 70's, so I've seen a lot nnnm of bad baseball, but how I feel about them now is......😬 Bochy is the only dude I miss, even though he always had a hard time playing the young dudes. He has that post-season unflappable magic in him, go Rangers!!!!
Sitting in CF in 59, jawing with Willie mays, vs. The modern times, lol lol lol its not really comparable. No slides, no swings, no kiddie areas, only peanut shells putting your eyes in jeopardy as 70 mph winds swirl, gaining momentum as they squeeze into the mezzanine corridors, taking hats coats and bats.....
I remember how fans started to turn on Sabaen when they stopped winning titles. Our farm system was one of the worst by the time he left. We had one of the highest payrolls and we were losing. This type of damage takes years to repair, especially when elite free agents don’t want to come here
Id rather have the speedy bats that the new analytics team finds.. they basically know how to forecast when those outta nowhere players are about to find their swing etc. Sabean struck Gold for sure but he was less effective at finding mid-high tier guys like JD Davis, Wade, Bailey
It’s Greg,Charles and Larry Baer those 3 need to go. I do wonder what the hell do Peter McGowan wife thinks about this because she still part owner from after her husbands death
@ldo1308 Their are many owners and they all allowed Farhan to replace our dynasty front office. The Johnson family gets targeted for political reasons.
Unfortunately it seems like that is the way it is in a lot of professional sports organizations and it seems to me the franchises that win consently do it with a sense of valuing and retaining smart and good people persons being a giant fan for sixty years I hope they can get it going again
It's just really sad, even more the LOST OPPORTUNITY for the Giants than the shabby way Bochy was treated. Every athlete who's played team sports and anyone who has ever coached KNOWS there are just certain coaches with an intangible gift motivating others. And there are a few generational, elite talents with those special qualities, like Bruce Bochy. There are plenty of pro teams that based on the numbers and talent should have won it all but never did (prime example: '70s Vikings). Then there are "lesser" teams--at least one, maybe two of the Giants' championship teams included--that weren't even close to the best team by stats or in-season performance, but won it all thanks to amazing coaching skills in motivating men. Terribly happy for this great leader!
Man, this is sad. It makes me feel there will never be a winning team in San Francisco again. It’s hard to build a winner. We’re all asking why did the Giants, Farhan Zaidi particularly, hire Gabe Kapler? What was the appeal? Who was excited to see Kapler come on board? What I see in the Giants today are those old losing Giant teams where they missed on their free agent signings and the inability to develop minor league players. I can see Farhan dealing the better prospects for used up, tired veterans. This is sad all the way around. I don’t believe whomever they sign to manage is going to turn this analytical-platooning-bullpen nonsense around. This is the new age of baseball. There must of been something wrong with the old ways.
The samardzija, cueto, longo, etc. signings were pretender-team moves. I feel like the rebuild going on today is actually pretty good. Would it be better than Sabean? Dont think so. But lets remember that scouting comes from multiple people not just Farhan/Sabean
Nobody talks about self centered Gabe not standing for the National Anthem, thereby losing the players. Farhann did nothing about it. A the biggest BS suit in Baseball, Larry Baer, who final got rid of Sabean/Bochy to be in charge, lays an egg. He is the most over-rated wife beating Dilbert in Baseball.
This just makes me HATamE FARThan and the Ownership MORE....and I was right about FARThan! To every Giants fan I vented my frustration with FARThan....I was RIGHT, and you were WRONG...so STFU till he's gone!
Sabean never in his tenure fielded a top ten offense!! So don’t give me this Sabean nonsense!! He got lucky with a handful of starters and a great FA bullpen!! Name me all the All Star position players that Sabean drafted and developed!! Exactly!!
Mauricio Dubon epitomizes for me the stupidity of the San Francisco Giants under the "leadership" of Farhan Zaidi and Gabe Kapler. He gets traded because his options were up, like he really deserved to be yo-yoed back and forth to Sacramento anymore, as in 2021? Like hitting a homer off Kershaw and playing consistently good ball wasn't enough? Zaidi lost me with that stupid trade. I knew then that he was a good for nothing waste of time of a GM or whatever title he names for himself. Good riddance to him. Posey, get him fired!
it was so refreshing to listen to sabes be totally honest during this interview
Lifelong Giants fan and a working professional with executive leadership training. All I can say, and it pains me to do so, is that this is a damning state of current affairs on the Giants organization. It saddens me that it has got so bad that our former GM, who was the architect behind three World Series champions teams, doesn't root for the Giants.
Says it all
Great point. Really disappointing
Heartbreaking
That says a lot.
Lifelong Giants fan. I stopped rooting for the Giants after they hired Kapler and after watching all the games, stopped until he was gone. If they hire a Kapler clone like Kai or (God forbid), Alyssa, I'll give up hope for any positive changes.
Great to see these two great minds together again.
I have good memories Larry when you had the evening show at KNBR and you’d call Ned. Great conversations. Thanks for getting these two together and pick their minds and past memories. The trials and tribulations that comes with producing a winning organization. Thanks again Larry
Great show. I would love to get all those guys back
Hey Sabes! Us Giants fans still root for you! I know I do.
Fire Farhan Now
This is so depressing to hear. Even though no one said Bochy was pushed out, all the signs lead said he was. Now that we have proof, this makes the Farhan Kapler years look even worse. Waiting for the day Farhan gets fired.
Giants Nation needs explanation why Fraud-han Zaidi is still with Giants.
They all saw the writing on the wall. I'll never forget in 2014 when they showed Sabean in the booth getting emotional after clinching the NLCS...This Ownership and Farhan are a F'N JOKE
Amazing interviews - love you asked the good questions of Ned and Brian. Thank you for this great interview Larry!!! I always wanted to understand why they departed.
This saddens me to no end. I may never go to another Giants game again
Sabean did a great job picking the Managers. Even Felipe Alou was a lot better choice than Kapler. I never thought Kapler was the right hire. Zaidi has completely botched his opportunity, but the Giants' front office apparently needs to see a few more disastrous seasons before they start thinking about moving on from him.
Thank you Brain Sabean for the great run! Those were the greatest years as a Giants fan that anyone can ask for!
2024 is Farhan’s last year under contract so his job is on the line
@@TheChosennn Yeah and I don't know how you let him set up the team with a Manager going forward if the guy is going to be gone in a year. Leads me to think he's going to be around beyond 2024.
@@rafa_v1.0 depends on how this offseason goes
@@TheChosennnalready extended lol. How could we have seen that coming?! Oh yea… he makes money for the owners! That’s all they care about
Says a lot that the giants fucked up massively with letting Bobby evans and Farhan take control
2 months later and this comment is a huge understatement. Meaning there are no words to describe how badly Baseball has been handled by this Money Man Ownership group.
The First thing is to fire Zaidi and hire a real Baseball Man to re-build our team. Short of a "dirt of the basepaths and green grass stain" guy filling in the spread sheet cells, we're nothing than the ineffective robot product as long as we are a strictly first and last a numbers organization.
Pitchers and Catchers report in 2 weeks and we've got more competent Catchers than we do Pitchers.
Sign as many pitchers as you can, Build a 1-5 Rotation and a 6 seat Bullpen. NOW! We've got the bats. Stop platooning seasoned pros! place Major League hitters at the 7 positions. Reinforce the good skills behind the plate. Build a line-up, prioritize the subs, and let 'em PLAY! It would be a plus to hire a Pitching Coach.
You know its funny, of all the major professional sports, baseball was the one that dived in COMPLETELY into analytics, while casting asside the old guard, or 'wisdom' as Ned Colletti mentioned. And the irony of it is, it is maybe the one popular sport that does better when they apply old school knowledge and teaching rather than the new school approach.
I'll just give one example. A long time ago, before the days of shifts or exaggerated shifts, each player studied their opponents and knew to cheat towards the line, off the line, or if you were an outfielder, you played in against certain guys, and back towards the track against others. Willie Mays was such an astute player that he routinely took hits away from guys, or extra bases, not only due to his immense speed and skill as an outfielder, but because he knew each guy's tendencies.
You then fast forward 55-60 years into the future from Willie's time, and all of the sudden front offices thought it was easier, or better, to let computer generated tendencies dictate what players had already been doing INSTINCTUALLY for over 120 years... Now, with all the rule changes, they are realizing that if they automate these human players themselves to all play the exact same way, that the product diminishes severely because of it, and even worse, you diminish these talented young ballplayers from having to learn all those tendencies themselves, and play instinctually, aggressively.
Great show Larry. Wonderful insights.
God that hurt to hear Brian say he doesn't root for the Giants anymore.
Agreed!
Sad 😢
You never hire, a rival employee, for a high position on your team. That person will INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGE the organization and set it back at least a decade of futility.
FIRE FARHAN IMMEDIATELY.
I am rooting for a Rangers Diamondbacks world series, much preferable to any alternative. Would be nice to see Boch get another ring and the DBacks have been a good Cinderella story.
Agreed 💯
You got what you’re rooting for!
He got another 💍 💍 💍 💍
You called it lol
Very diplomatic!! These two have voices so similar, that without them live moving their lips on camera, I can't tell which ones talking?!?!?!
Giants fan since I was 8, so 61 years now and I find myself watching Bochy and Baker duking it out in a quest for the AL crown, then watch a video on You Tube about who the Giants are interviewing for the manager position. I get the token interviews but they need a solid manager who's been in the game, someone who can attract talent. Bochy or Baker would have been just that. They just seem to be going in the wrong direction these days...
Giants fans totally clueless, entirely miss the point even after five six years of this schitty regime, shifty, shady, sketchy from day one a miserable joke. Farhan ain't after a strong mgr!! Only needs order takers, period, wake up, this is fast food defiant, Oakland A s strategy in sf. Own it
Exactly. TOKEN interviews!!
Can you imagine having a woke female manager 😂
Everything woke turns to sh*t. Thanks, Farhan and Gabe.
Thanks for the honesty!! I’ve been a giants fan since 1958 age 6 My Dear Dad who gave me the love for Giants & many baseball players of the 60s & 70s. I’m 72 now & no longer a Giants fan except for a few players Yaz & Romoz. Farnham & Kepler robbed many Giants fans & players. Of of what use too be a Great organization I’m a Pirates & Braves fan now.
Larry Krueger reminds me of Will Clarks shorter, slower little brother.
#FireFarhan!
Fire Larry baer and make Charles and Greg Johnson to sell
Larry you are the man 💪 😎
Kapler’s gone thank God, maybe there’s hope for the organization…then a “token”managerial interview to Alyssa Nakken? Virtue signaling wokesters still running the front office. Business as usual.
Won’t see another Boche type from these guys.
Yes! Thank you for saying this. Everything woke turns to sh*t.
They might as well just have a surface pro with an AI manage the team at this point.
Congratulations Bruce!
Hearing from Sabes even more so now makes me pull for Farhan to be fired. How this organization treated him and Bochy after 3 world series titles....
Man I always KNEW they didn’t leave on their own terms, SAD what they’ve done with the organization. Really miss the previous regime, will continue to silently protest the Giants until they clean house
The giants ownership has made me not as big as a fan. Sabean and Bochy are MLB royalty . And the giants treated em like bums. And literally brought over a former BUM to play GM
I can’t believe the Giants let Brian and Bruce go. 2010 -2016 was such a magical time to be a Giant’s Fan. Now they are absolutely unwatchable.
I know i miss the glory days 😢
Damn I loved Brian and Bruce….as a Giants fan its no doubt painful to hear what happened.
I REALLY MISS BRUCE
Don't forget Dick Tidrow. He was the guy who found MadBum and put the pitching staffs together.
Dirt I. Wont forget
I will forever be thankful for those 3 WS, I never thought they would come. I, however, do not have agreat nostalgia for Sabean.....at all, nor his successor when he got bumped up. Sabean was in charge for a looooong time and made a ton of mistakes and basically shit on the farm system and signed a bunch of middling dudes when he had the most destructive hitter the world has known. Then he gets some help in the front office scouting department and they finally draft well for about 4 or 5 years. Build a team that's good not great, but at the helm is a post season magician and they persevere and win those 3 WS. The fact they were a 500 or lower team the years between those WS victories shows you they were not a great team. The problem is after 2014 they kept trying to throw whatever they could at the roster and signed no significant players or drafted and developed significant players. So now you get the malaise the franchise is in right now. The folks in charge now are no better and they have actually made the Giants unwatchable and hard to root for. I've been a fan since the mid 70's, so I've seen a lot nnnm of bad baseball, but how I feel about them now is......😬
Bochy is the only dude I miss, even though he always had a hard time playing the young dudes. He has that post-season unflappable magic in him, go Rangers!!!!
Sitting in CF in 59, jawing with Willie mays, vs. The modern times, lol lol lol its not really comparable. No slides, no swings, no kiddie areas, only peanut shells putting your eyes in jeopardy as 70 mph winds swirl, gaining momentum as they squeeze into the mezzanine corridors, taking hats coats and bats.....
I remember how fans started to turn on Sabaen when they stopped winning titles. Our farm system was one of the worst by the time he left. We had one of the highest payrolls and we were losing. This type of damage takes years to repair, especially when elite free agents don’t want to come here
Baer to blame. Awful to hear what went on at the end from Brian.
Id rather have the speedy bats that the new analytics team finds.. they basically know how to forecast when those outta nowhere players are about to find their swing etc. Sabean struck Gold for sure but he was less effective at finding mid-high tier guys like JD Davis, Wade, Bailey
Stop it. Farhan stinks. He's sabotaging the Giants into futility for decades to come. Fire Farhan the sooner the better.
Lol what?
Jd sucks. Wade and Bailey are guys you can find anywhere. Stop it. We have zero stars. One really good pitcher and that’s jt
And now Bruce is 2 wins away from the World Series… the rangers were terrible last year
I can’t keep saying it enough. Ownership looks sooooo dumb. Go Rangers!!!! In your face from a life long and always a life long Giants fan.
Not all the ownership. Just Greg Johnson in particular
So basically it's more the executive board, than the ownership
It’s Greg,Charles and Larry Baer those 3 need to go. I do wonder what the hell do Peter McGowan wife thinks about this because she still part owner from after her husbands death
@ldo1308 Their are many owners and they all allowed Farhan to replace our dynasty front office. The Johnson family gets targeted for political reasons.
@@jasoncouto4225 the Johnson family owns 30 percent of the team so hell yes they are to blame
So, so disappointed in the current Giants organization…it’ll be a long time before I attend another Giants game 😢
Why did I look at my iphone when I heard the ring tone go off during this video? :-D
Unfortunately it seems like that is the way it is in a lot of professional sports organizations and it seems to me the franchises that win consently do it with a sense of valuing and retaining smart and good people persons being a giant fan for sixty years I hope they can get it going again
It's just really sad, even more the LOST OPPORTUNITY for the Giants than the shabby way Bochy was treated.
Every athlete who's played team sports and anyone who has ever coached KNOWS there are just certain coaches with an intangible gift motivating others. And there are a few generational, elite talents with those special qualities, like Bruce Bochy. There are plenty of pro teams that based on the numbers and talent should have won it all but never did (prime example: '70s Vikings). Then there are "lesser" teams--at least one, maybe two of the Giants' championship teams included--that weren't even close to the best team by stats or in-season performance, but won it all thanks to amazing coaching skills in motivating men. Terribly happy for this great leader!
Man, this is sad. It makes me feel there will never be a winning team in San Francisco again. It’s hard to build a winner. We’re all asking why did the Giants, Farhan Zaidi particularly, hire Gabe Kapler? What was the appeal? Who was excited to see Kapler come on board? What I see in the Giants today are those old losing Giant teams where they missed on their free agent signings and the inability to develop minor league players. I can see Farhan dealing the better prospects for used up, tired veterans. This is sad all the way around. I don’t believe whomever they sign to manage is going to turn this analytical-platooning-bullpen nonsense around. This is the new age of baseball. There must of been something wrong with the old ways.
Ok, what about Salamanca?
Farhan needs to be fired immediately. It’s the only way to save the Giants.
The samardzija, cueto, longo, etc. signings were pretender-team moves. I feel like the rebuild going on today is actually pretty good. Would it be better than Sabean? Dont think so. But lets remember that scouting comes from multiple people not just Farhan/Sabean
that’s why the giants hired Pete Putilla
How can you say that? The giants drafts have been bad since Farman took over.
Nobody talks about self centered Gabe not standing for the National Anthem, thereby losing the players. Farhann did nothing about it. A the biggest BS suit in Baseball, Larry Baer, who final got rid of Sabean/Bochy to be in charge, lays an egg. He is the most over-rated wife beating Dilbert in Baseball.
This just makes me HATamE FARThan and the Ownership MORE....and I was right about FARThan! To every Giants fan I vented my frustration with FARThan....I was RIGHT, and you were WRONG...so STFU till he's gone!
You were right about what?
Sabean never in his tenure fielded a top ten offense!! So don’t give me this Sabean nonsense!! He got lucky with a handful of starters and a great FA bullpen!! Name me all the All Star position players that Sabean drafted and developed!! Exactly!!
Bruce bochy and brian sabean brought the first titles to San francisco they should have been allowed to die as giants
Mauricio Dubon epitomizes for me the stupidity of the San Francisco Giants under the "leadership" of Farhan Zaidi and Gabe Kapler. He gets traded because his options were up, like he really deserved to be yo-yoed back and forth to Sacramento anymore, as in 2021? Like hitting a homer off Kershaw and playing consistently good ball wasn't enough? Zaidi lost me with that stupid trade. I knew then that he was a good for nothing waste of time of a GM or whatever title he names for himself. Good riddance to him. Posey, get him fired!