@@PevenStinker just a guess....but since he was coached by the Manning's coach, and been too all of the Manning's QB academies beforehand. I'm guessing he'd have faired a lot better, then quickly inserted and getting his head taken off ala David Carr style. Giants were a hugely veteran team, on the older side. the rebuild was evident, yet they threw him out there, lost all of their weapons, and defense yet relied on him to " be the savior "...recipe for disaster, both for Daniel, and the Giants.
Bro quit being ridiculous, he literally has better career stats than Trevor Lawrence lmao. And the giants are ass. Yea he ain’t great but yall got a lot more problems than him.
As a Pats fan, it’s funny seeing every coach and QB say it’s beneficial for a young QB to sit for a year or 2; yet most New England fans and media want to throw Drake Maye behind that horrible O-line immediately, cause there’s zero patience anymore. A few bad games and they can’t take it 🤦🏽♂️. It’s not like the Pats were winning the Super Bowl this year, what’s the rush? Let the kid develop behind the scenes.
The very best thing for the Pats this year is to lose as many games as possible in order to get another high draft position. Winning games should not be a priority for them. They're in a 3-5 year rebuild. And they've done the easy part (getting a QB...maybe) but not the hard part...everything else.
For sure, there is a reason we gave Jacoby all that money. It wasn't to win games. It was to be a sacrificial lamb while Drake develops. Hopefully, Jacoby doesn't die behind our o-line so we don't have to see the kid for some time.
funny how every nfl coach and player says development is really important, even if that means sitting a guy for a year or two. yet, the fans demand everyone win a super bowl right now or be fired and replaced with the next guy who needs to win a super bowl right now
Yeah that’s why I hate reading about sports on Twitter now. Sports have become so over reactive if fans don’t see results in 4 games they want to blow it all up and label people as busts. Expectations get set way to high too. Rodgers nailed it and even Brady said it recently and these guys are GOATS but yeah what do they know
It's because most fans are addicted to social media/technology. They can get instant gratification whenever the heck they want it. Most fans are never taught how to be patient to get something they really want. They focus on pro athletes or business people who have made it big, and the only thing they look at are their accomplishments. They never focus on the fact that they were possibly homeless, or that they failed 5 times over the course of 15 years before they figured it out.
Not everyone believes that. Peyton Manning said he thinks they should play and not take them out either once in and stand in the fire, as you learn from the reps and the hits. And he said Bruce Arians also told him that during his rookie season
With how much money QB's are demanding now on their first contract after their rookie deal, the whole structure for teams is "win now with our rookie QB before he starts costing us 20 percent of our cap". Having a high draft pick QB sit for 3 years is now seen as a waste of money for teams.
Unfortunately that’s not gonna change until teams start letting big time talent sit on the couch for a year because all 32 refuse to pay a guy who needs $100,000,000 worth of talent on offense to produce an additional $60,000,000
As a Falcon fan i dont mind Penix sitting. I just dont like how the Falcons think we are ready to contend for a deep playoff run or a SB. We failed Desmond Ridder, what was he gonna learn sitting behind Marcus Mariota?
Yeah, just don't ask him about anything else and you are golden. I really enjoy the football conversations, but the man has some loose screws nonetheless.
Brady played an entire year and 2 games (18) behind Bledsoe, Hell if it wasn't for the Mo Lewis hit Brady would have still probably been a backup . Mo Lewis was the greatest thing to ever have happened to New England
Aaron is exactly right, all these fans, team leadership, pr relation teams, and this show feed the knee jerk reactionary way of win immediately or make quick changes. trust me, i should know about patience, im a bears fan, i may never see the light of a superbowl, but ill always hope
The problem that wasn't brought up here is the massive advantage of having a good qb on the team without having to pay him 20% of the salary cap. Looking through the past 15 years or so of superbowl participants, most either had a top 2 QB that year or had a QB who was not being paid top tier money. The exceptions are probably Stafford who the rams went all in that year with one of the best coaches and Peyton Manning who got carried by his defense. Nowadays, one year of sitting is probably good but multiple years of sitting while playing on a rookie contract is not something that will be worth it for most teams.
I think the difference is that Geno is too old. In a Niner fan and when we face the Seahawks with Geno I ain't scared. Not like I was vs Russ. I think by the end of the year y'all will draft a QB. Geno won't change the future of the Seahawks unfortunately.
@@BobectorGamesBobector what's your point? OP is wondering why Geno isn't included in the picture of QBs who have recently revived their careers, and you start talking about Penix, who is not even in the picture, lol.
I think manning is right. He will have the Rookie int record forever. His entire career was in the “interception era” started by farve, the “gun slinger era” … also the situation, where he was so good he could win games with a below average team passing all over. And he also had so so many unlucky interceptions.
This was AMAZING AAron really is astute. Regaedless of your feeling his mental aptitude is showcased here in full. Thanks PAT and the BOYZ Thanks AARON this was really great. This should be a SEGMENT Learning the Game with AARON.
Well to be fair, Baker was winning from the beginning, browns dumped him for nothing when they got Watson, nobody else gave him a chance to play till he landed in Tampa. Where he did exactly what he was doing as a starter as a brown, winning
That’s why I wanted baker to come to the Steelers. He would’ve been great in that system plus playing against his old team that tossed him aside would’ve added extra motivation. Imagine if baker went to the Steelers (who were looking for a QB) and beat the browns twice a year
Geno’s story is one of the greatest comebacks in nfl history and it’s barely spoken about. To go from a bust to a GOOD starter so late in your career is nuts.
Being from KC, the only reason Pat broke so many records based on stats in x games played was due to learning behind Alex Smith. Sitting for a year was what allowed us to become a dynasty.
This is something you see with baseball a lot. The most important thing is taking raw talent and developing it all the way up the ladder until there’s nowhere to go but the top of competition. The NFL plays far less games and has no equivalent to the minor leagues, so fans and teams want immediate returns on their investment, but what the last few years have shown us is that if you have a QB who comes into a bad system with a bad coach, the best case scenario is that you’ll see that guys potential three stops later, and the worst case is you’ll ruin his whole career.
I respect Aaron Rodgers a whole lot more after hearing him talk about my qb JD5 very good take more players should jump on shows and give player perspective it’s a must hear!!!
Yeah, and people act like everyones projection is the same… when in reality some are more ready to play than others. I understand sitting if you are raw or the guy infront of you is brett favre or someone legit. Peyton Manning literally said he believes his rookie season benefited him alot and bruce arians never thpught of pulling him out even with all the picks
Gross advantage but at what cost? Garcia in NYJ would have benefitted. Only Roth grew and eventually took over. Who has won w a guy on a rookie contract? Its such a great benefit only SEA won it and they had a top 10 defense of all time. SF had 3 players at all pro levels and two pro bowl WRs and they lost. Its a. Advantage that disappears quickly. And just about all those QBs have been hurt. Jalen doesnt look like the guy in 22’ anymore. Brock looks below ave. Missing even two Wpns. Agree every guy is diff. Alex smith didnt sit and needed 4 coaches before he got Harbaugh. Some could play right away. Most cannot. WAS QB is older as was Brock. So maybe its the older guys who stayed in school can play right away.
@@capitanawesome44 agree with you, i think the advantage is when you have a polished prospect who has a lot of reps under his belts. with an ascending team. I also think if you wanna sit a QB for a year, its good to sign a Vet that he can really learn from, like Flacco or Alex smith for Mahomes
@@capitanawesome44 the eagles won their Super Bowl on Carson wentz’s rookie deal even if he didn’t play. I’m not 100% sure if Mahomes was on his rookie deal yet or not but I’m pretty sure he won his first one on a rookie deal. I dunno, it feels like a lot of teams go deep into the playoffs at least when their quarterback is cheap.
@@Zlittlepenguin when will we see another team do that? They won w a backup QB. Destroyed the best defensive coach of all time who sat his best corner cuz he was late for a meeting. But it occasionally happens. Just need to control these QB contracts. No reason that Love and Lawerence who won a few playoff gms should be making 50 mil a year.
@@generalblaze5488 the fact that he’s one of 2 1st round rookie QB’s sitting behind a veteran this season (and possibly next) and the only rookie to get the Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love treatment outside of GB in a while. Exactly what this video was about.
Thanks Aaron. It's tough sitting back as a Panthers fan, but you're right about patience. I hope Bryce Young can still be our quarterback. It's hard to have had Cam Newton, and then move on to someone who could take 3-4 years to be his best.
No amount of sitting is going to change the fact that Bryce Young is under sized, not as athletic for said size(Kyler Murray), and he doesn't have a rocket arm.
Patrick Mahomes might not be the way he is right now (overall career not this season) had he not sit behind Alex Smith for a year. The falcons deserve more credit for what they're doing with Penix, Kirk is a veteran and has proved time in and time out that he can be a great QB, not only are they winning games with Kirk right now which could benefit them for the next 2-3 years, they're also letting Penix sit behind and learn from him which could benefit them for a longer time once Kirk retires or if he goes to a different team, which is exactly what Kansas City did.
If the Bears would have picked him instead Trubisky, Mahomes would probably somwhere warming the bench or so, because his playstyle needed a lot of trust by the HC...not many coaches let you throw no look passes and if they fail.... ok, next time it works...
These QBs that sit usually sit behind a great QB , Rodgers sat behind farve, love behind Rodgers, Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith a pro bowl QB who was making the playoffs, Brady sat behind bledsoe who was a #1 pick pro bowler who was the highest paid QB in the league. They weren't sitting behind career backups. Mahomes would of been great starting day 1 or not. They are either that dude or not. Manning started day 1 in a league where the QB could get destroyed by defenders.
"thats not a thing anymore" yeah because now they get paid millions a year to come out of college far later and "better prepared" when in all reality they are less prepared for the NFL than previous QBs and are paid and treated like they already know what they are doing. NIL has tried to treat amateurs like professionals.
@@tommyfu9271 there is not one NCAA player right now with a case for being "professional" just a poor system that incentivizes players to stay in college for 5+ years and come out of college still green and unprepared for the league. They need to do away with NIL.
@@kyledabearsfan no they don't. the ncaa was screwing these players for decades. it's a disgrace what they got away with. ncaa sports especially basketball and football have always been a huge business .. the ncaa just pretended otherwise to line their pockets. if someone is unprepared for the league they'll flame out. very few can play in the nfl. but there is no valid reason kids can't make money off of their likeness while the ncaa prints money off of them.
JJ McCarthy comes to mind. Now that Darnold is playing great, I can see JJ sitting for a couple years learning under KOC and being absolutely lethal when it's his turn.
Like Aaron or not, he’s right. There’s always gonna be outliers. Jayden daniels, cj stroud, Joe burrow, etc. the problem is that owners/fans/GM’s want players to come in and perform immediately. 95% of the time that isn’t gonna happen. Whether it’s quarterback or any other position. Obviously QB is probably the hardest, but expecting other positions to do it too is crazy. Fans and owners are the most impatient, everyone wants to win now and nobody wants to wait. Then the GMs feel pressure to win because they don’t want to get fired. The whole hire a guy and give him 3-5 years to build a team is out the window at this point
Dan Quinn is a great coach. After the Super Bowl loss. The Falcons took a very big hit to their moral. I don’t think anyone would be able to bring their confidence up from such a devastating and embarrassing loss. Which to me explains why the team after was very inconsistent during Quinn’s tenure.
He did miss a beat. There were great moments and signs the first year. He had an incredible throw his first start against the vikings and you could see the signs. He also took a lot of unnecessary sacks. Backbreaking sacks. That was I would say his biggest issue the first season.
Another example (obviously its been a couple seasons already) but Geno Smith had a career that wasn't very impressive as far as "Starting QB" role. Now he's doing well with the Seahawks and is really settled in now
I would love Aaron's thoughts on bryce young bryce really looked up to Aaron said he was his favorite qb growing up and I've not heard him mentioned bryce young until now
On a side note can we get sir Andrew Luck on the show give a little inside on what maybe Tua is kinda going through. Ya know because Luck had to weight his options to keep play and have a F’d up body after football or retire and live his life with his family. I’m pretty sure Andrew Luck misses playing but loves his decision
I don’t really know how to feel as a panthers fan but it’s not like we just benched Bryce and it could or could not be the right decision. It was more like, we were the laughing stock of the NFL the worst team, pat and the boys talking about us, being relegated out of the freaking NFL, getting picked on by ALL MEDIA… I could go on and on. We HAD to do something. On top of that, we have a new coach and I know for a fact that tepper will be patient this go around!! Said coach, Dave Canales was going to lose the locker room, not have the opp to start a new culture and look bad without sitting Bryce. Sitting Bryce was the best thing to do. When it comes to the fans, the team/locker room, the owner, the coach and the rest of the staff. Last years staff threw him to wolves but he should’ve sat. So we are making the right choices now. Idk why everyone fuckin hates us……. Sure rookies throw interceptions and make mistakes and etc.. but after a full season and then the first 2 games of Bryce’s sophomore season, we still couldn’t hardly score a single touchdown. We couldn’t even get a damn first down! Literally.
Don’t disrespect flacco like that in the thumbnail. Dude has a superbowl mvp and one of the best playoff runs of all time. Don’t act like he’s some of these other guys.
I agree with aron but i think in Youngs case it's different not only did they draft him number 1 but they bet the farm on him. Not his fault but when you do that you don't have the ability to wait 3 to 5 years for him to be ready. You have to see improvement and if not you need to put someone in that will give you a better chance to win
A bad team is lke having a beat-up minivan. Then any QB drafted Top 10 in Round 1 is a Ferrari. Well. sorry to say, but no one wants to leave the Ferrari in the garage! No fan, HC, OC or Owner. Everyone wants to try it, even if to go to the grocery store. And success stories like Stroud and Daniels will only make the expections GO UPWARD with rookie QBs!
I think people are making too much out of this. Guys that have what it takes will develop either way. Sure a guy might look better in his first season if he sits comoared to a rookie, but you can't tell me Mahomes, Allen, etc would be better if they sat for 3 years.
Rogers didn’t have this opinion after they drafted Love. That is the tradeoff that isn’t brought up. Roger’s wanted someone to help them win a Super Bowl
And Rodgers knows damn well, as does anyone with a brain, that there wasn't really a single player available at that point in the draft that would've been a game changer that helped win a Super Bowl. Feel free to look at that draft and tell me who they should've drafted that would've helped win a Chip..... I'll wait.
Who is there to sit behind? No organization wants to have a solid guy who can win several games and win 1 maybe 2 playoff games, they want a guy who can win a SB as soon as possible
That’s what happens when fans happiness is wrapped up in watching sports. If their team isn’t winning then they have nothing it seems. Panic if they aren’t winning immediately
As a Giants fan..we have been developing Daniel Jones for half a decade. It works. In another 5 years, he's gonna throw a touchdown.
😂
Lmao, in all seriousness I wonder how Daniel Jones progresses if he sits behind Eli for his entire rookie season
@@PevenStinker just a guess....but since he was coached by the Manning's coach, and been too all of the Manning's QB academies beforehand. I'm guessing he'd have faired a lot better, then quickly inserted and getting his head taken off ala David Carr style.
Giants were a hugely veteran team, on the older side. the rebuild was evident, yet they threw him out there, lost all of their weapons, and defense yet relied on him to " be the savior "...recipe for disaster, both for Daniel, and the Giants.
Bro quit being ridiculous, he literally has better career stats than Trevor Lawrence lmao. And the giants are ass. Yea he ain’t great but yall got a lot more problems than him.
@@nadjasunflower1387then they give him 40mil a year making it very difficult to put a quality team around him. 😂
No one’s talking about the Falcons doing this with Penix. Having him sit behind Kirk might pay off big in the long run.
The only difference is Penix is already 24 years old, dude will be 28 before he sits in a perfect world for the falcons
The Falcons situation is tricky, cause they turned down the GOAT for a DEI hire that may or may not be the right guy.
Yeah he will learn how to lose but play good enough to keep starting Jon!
Plus the Falcons signed Cousins to win now.
@@Jordan73SJnot everything you disagree with is a DEI hire
As a Pats fan, it’s funny seeing every coach and QB say it’s beneficial for a young QB to sit for a year or 2; yet most New England fans and media want to throw Drake Maye behind that horrible O-line immediately, cause there’s zero patience anymore. A few bad games and they can’t take it 🤦🏽♂️. It’s not like the Pats were winning the Super Bowl this year, what’s the rush? Let the kid develop behind the scenes.
The very best thing for the Pats this year is to lose as many games as possible in order to get another high draft position. Winning games should not be a priority for them. They're in a 3-5 year rebuild. And they've done the easy part (getting a QB...maybe) but not the hard part...everything else.
For sure, there is a reason we gave Jacoby all that money. It wasn't to win games. It was to be a sacrificial lamb while Drake develops. Hopefully, Jacoby doesn't die behind our o-line so we don't have to see the kid for some time.
lol exactiy poor Jacoby is running for his life every play, why throw drake and there destroy his confidence and let him get hurt
yes , let Drake learn and mature a bit more and add some more players , Aaron
said it well .
I could see Joe Milton spelling Jacoby for a few posessions.
I sit all the time
Actually laughed out loud… I might be the best qb in the world!
U gonna be amazing when u debut
@@SuperStarTidus18 thanks dude
I'm DanO
huge if true
funny how every nfl coach and player says development is really important, even if that means sitting a guy for a year or two. yet, the fans demand everyone win a super bowl right now or be fired and replaced with the next guy who needs to win a super bowl right now
Thats sperts ferya
Yeah that’s why I hate reading about sports on Twitter now. Sports have become so over reactive if fans don’t see results in 4 games they want to blow it all up and label people as busts. Expectations get set way to high too. Rodgers nailed it and even Brady said it recently and these guys are GOATS but yeah what do they know
Yeah. But with the current contracts, you have to know if your pick is the guy and if they aren't you don't get stuck in a bad contract.
It's because most fans are addicted to social media/technology. They can get instant gratification whenever the heck they want it. Most fans are never taught how to be patient to get something they really want. They focus on pro athletes or business people who have made it big, and the only thing they look at are their accomplishments. They never focus on the fact that they were possibly homeless, or that they failed 5 times over the course of 15 years before they figured it out.
Not everyone believes that. Peyton Manning said he thinks they should play and not take them out either once in and stand in the fire, as you learn from the reps and the hits. And he said Bruce Arians also told him that during his rookie season
With how much money QB's are demanding now on their first contract after their rookie deal, the whole structure for teams is "win now with our rookie QB before he starts costing us 20 percent of our cap". Having a high draft pick QB sit for 3 years is now seen as a waste of money for teams.
Unfortunately that’s not gonna change until teams start letting big time talent sit on the couch for a year because all 32 refuse to pay a guy who needs $100,000,000 worth of talent on offense to produce an additional $60,000,000
As a Falcon fan i dont mind Penix sitting. I just dont like how the Falcons think we are ready to contend for a deep playoff run or a SB. We failed Desmond Ridder, what was he gonna learn sitting behind Marcus Mariota?
Ridder was a lost cause even if he sat.
He was the most pro-ready prospect though, not a project QB like others
Falcons are good this year
@@CrocodileWhispersCJ last year and Jayden this year were both referred to as the most “pro-ready” in their drafts and they’ve both succeeded early.
seattle and minnesota are probably the only teams that could have turned ridder into a competent starting QB
No matter what you think about Rodgers, dude is one of smartest guys when football is the convention
Meh. Mainstream media said he's bad and has devious thoughts and eats children or something like that.
He is smart FULL STOP. He could have become a surgeon, or judge or something like that.
@@louisskulnik7390You’re reaching a bit with that one.
@@williamcowell1889no, he has a well above average iq
Yeah, just don't ask him about anything else and you are golden. I really enjoy the football conversations, but the man has some loose screws nonetheless.
Kurt Warner learned his craft in arena football league for years before shining "right away" as a Rams QB.
Brady played an entire year and 2 games (18) behind Bledsoe, Hell if it wasn't for the Mo Lewis hit Brady would have still probably been a backup . Mo Lewis was the greatest thing to ever have happened to New England
Aaron is exactly right, all these fans, team leadership, pr relation teams, and this show feed the knee jerk reactionary way of win immediately or make quick changes. trust me, i should know about patience, im a bears fan, i may never see the light of a superbowl, but ill always hope
The problem that wasn't brought up here is the massive advantage of having a good qb on the team without having to pay him 20% of the salary cap. Looking through the past 15 years or so of superbowl participants, most either had a top 2 QB that year or had a QB who was not being paid top tier money. The exceptions are probably Stafford who the rams went all in that year with one of the best coaches and Peyton Manning who got carried by his defense. Nowadays, one year of sitting is probably good but multiple years of sitting while playing on a rookie contract is not something that will be worth it for most teams.
Your organization is doomed. How many qbs have yall failed?
To have 7 different quarterbacks on that graphic (Gardner Minshew????) and not have Geno Smith on there is bad for the sport smh.
All these guys are coming off their comeback season or are currently in them.
I think the difference is that Geno is too old. In a Niner fan and when we face the Seahawks with Geno I ain't scared. Not like I was vs Russ. I think by the end of the year y'all will draft a QB. Geno won't change the future of the Seahawks unfortunately.
@@BobectorGamesBobector Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins are both older than Geno.
@@nathaniellarson8 Dalton isn't gonna be a starter next year though. The Falcons already got Penix to sit and learn behind Kirk.
@@BobectorGamesBobector what's your point? OP is wondering why Geno isn't included in the picture of QBs who have recently revived their careers, and you start talking about Penix, who is not even in the picture, lol.
I think manning is right. He will have the Rookie int record forever. His entire career was in the “interception era” started by farve, the “gun slinger era” … also the situation, where he was so good he could win games with a below average team passing all over. And he also had so so many unlucky interceptions.
My boy Alex Smith never had a chance. 7 years 7 different offensive coordinator's.
I've always wondered how their careers would've played out if Smith went to GB and Rodgers was in SF.
Also his head coach made him play on a completely messed up throwing shoulder and he lost a lot of his arm strength
Jalen Hurts going down that road right now… lol dam
They had all kinds of patience for Alex Smith though he would've been traded or cut after 2 years
Imo it is largely scheme and fitting personel to that scheme. Would rather have a great OC and a decent QB than a great QB and a decent OC tbh.
Someone forward this to Dave Tepper please.
This was AMAZING AAron really is astute. Regaedless of your feeling his mental aptitude is showcased here in full. Thanks PAT and the BOYZ Thanks AARON this was really great. This should be a SEGMENT Learning the Game with AARON.
Well to be fair, Baker was winning from the beginning, browns dumped him for nothing when they got Watson, nobody else gave him a chance to play till he landed in Tampa. Where he did exactly what he was doing as a starter as a brown, winning
Amen Baker Mayfield is the great white hope for the NFL ❤❤❤❤
That’s why I wanted baker to come to the Steelers. He would’ve been great in that system plus playing against his old team that tossed him aside would’ve added extra motivation. Imagine if baker went to the Steelers (who were looking for a QB) and beat the browns twice a year
Baker just belongs in Tampa. The fans love him there and he’s earned it.
@@mathewerenberger7275 baker Mayfield is the great white hope for the NFL ❤️❤️❤️
Think baker fits way better in Tampa’s offense
Not just QBs, but in most professions, you need to learn from someone else first.
Did we miss Geno Smith on this graphic?
Geno’s story is one of the greatest comebacks in nfl history and it’s barely spoken about. To go from a bust to a GOOD starter so late in your career is nuts.
YES THEY DID! PUT SOME RESPECT ON THAT MANS NAME! TOP 10 QB RN!
thats what im saying. He is the number one example for this
Being from KC, the only reason Pat broke so many records based on stats in x games played was due to learning behind Alex Smith. Sitting for a year was what allowed us to become a dynasty.
Alex smith should seriously get paid top dollar to be a QB coach. Smart guy, great teacher, etc.
Brady played behind Bledsoe for an entire year
This is something you see with baseball a lot. The most important thing is taking raw talent and developing it all the way up the ladder until there’s nowhere to go but the top of competition. The NFL plays far less games and has no equivalent to the minor leagues, so fans and teams want immediate returns on their investment, but what the last few years have shown us is that if you have a QB who comes into a bad system with a bad coach, the best case scenario is that you’ll see that guys potential three stops later, and the worst case is you’ll ruin his whole career.
I respect Aaron Rodgers a whole lot more after hearing him talk about my qb JD5 very good take more players should jump on shows and give player perspective it’s a must hear!!!
Remember Jim Plunkett.
“Overreaction Monday” 😂 isn’t that the Rich Eisen show?
This was great conversation💯
The problem is the gross advantage of having a QB under a rookie contract.
Yeah, and people act like everyones projection is the same… when in reality some are more ready to play than others. I understand sitting if you are raw or the guy infront of you is brett favre or someone legit. Peyton Manning literally said he believes his rookie season benefited him alot and bruce arians never thpught of pulling him out even with all the picks
Gross advantage but at what cost? Garcia in NYJ would have benefitted. Only Roth grew and eventually took over.
Who has won w a guy on a rookie contract? Its such a great benefit only SEA won it and they had a top 10 defense of all time.
SF had 3 players at all pro levels and two pro bowl WRs and they lost.
Its a. Advantage that disappears quickly. And just about all those QBs have been hurt. Jalen doesnt look like the guy in 22’ anymore. Brock looks below ave. Missing even two Wpns.
Agree every guy is diff. Alex smith didnt sit and needed 4 coaches before he got Harbaugh. Some could play right away. Most cannot. WAS QB is older as was Brock. So maybe its the older guys who stayed in school can play right away.
@@capitanawesome44 agree with you, i think the advantage is when you have a polished prospect who has a lot of reps under his belts. with an ascending team. I also think if you wanna sit a QB for a year, its good to sign a Vet that he can really learn from, like Flacco or Alex smith for Mahomes
@@capitanawesome44 the eagles won their Super Bowl on Carson wentz’s rookie deal even if he didn’t play. I’m not 100% sure if Mahomes was on his rookie deal yet or not but I’m pretty sure he won his first one on a rookie deal.
I dunno, it feels like a lot of teams go deep into the playoffs at least when their quarterback is cheap.
@@Zlittlepenguin when will we see another team do that? They won w a backup QB. Destroyed the best defensive coach of all time who sat his best corner cuz he was late for a meeting.
But it occasionally happens. Just need to control these QB contracts. No reason that Love and Lawerence who won a few playoff gms should be making 50 mil a year.
They really talked about the exact Falcons situation for 10 minutes but didn’t mention Penix one time
What about him?
@@generalblaze5488 the fact that he’s one of 2 1st round rookie QB’s sitting behind a veteran this season (and possibly next) and the only rookie to get the Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love treatment outside of GB in a while. Exactly what this video was about.
@@JustAGuyOutHere What you said is all you gona hear about him nothing special there 😮💨
Thanks Aaron. It's tough sitting back as a Panthers fan, but you're right about patience. I hope Bryce Young can still be our quarterback. It's hard to have had Cam Newton, and then move on to someone who could take 3-4 years to be his best.
“Think about if Peyton manning was playing in 2024”
Pat thinking the colts could be a good football team. 😮😮😮
Rodgers continues to force perspective on people, and I love it.
The same clown who cried about sitting behind Favre in Green Bay. Then he cried about Love taking his starting job?
Rodgers is dead on but I'm a cheesehead
I know it's an old-school POV; But some QBS are still projects and need time to develop. Some will come in and dominant, but that's not everyone.
Bryce young will definitely turn out better in his second chance….Panthers or otherwise
No amount of sitting is going to change the fact that Bryce Young is under sized, not as athletic for said size(Kyler Murray), and he doesn't have a rocket arm.
@@chopgotsauce6812 drew brees...
@@lordyung1164 was 6ft 200-210lbs and had near perfect placement. Bryce Young is 5'10 175-180lbs with a noodle arm.
Patrick Mahomes might not be the way he is right now (overall career not this season) had he not sit behind Alex Smith for a year. The falcons deserve more credit for what they're doing with Penix, Kirk is a veteran and has proved time in and time out that he can be a great QB, not only are they winning games with Kirk right now which could benefit them for the next 2-3 years, they're also letting Penix sit behind and learn from him which could benefit them for a longer time once Kirk retires or if he goes to a different team, which is exactly what Kansas City did.
If the Bears would have picked him instead Trubisky, Mahomes would probably somwhere warming the bench or so, because his playstyle needed a lot of trust by the HC...not many coaches let you throw no look passes and if they fail.... ok, next time it works...
As a patriots fan who is honestly scared for Jacoby's life every snap. Im happy we arnt playing maye. Some are his own fault though
Aaron mentioned having patience with coaches also. In most cases, I’d agree. Nathaniel Hackett in Denver was a total disaster and embarrassing
Dalton and Flacco both went to the playoffs as rookies.
2:17 "whoa" 😂😂😂
These QBs that sit usually sit behind a great QB , Rodgers sat behind farve, love behind Rodgers, Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith a pro bowl QB who was making the playoffs, Brady sat behind bledsoe who was a #1 pick pro bowler who was the highest paid QB in the league. They weren't sitting behind career backups. Mahomes would of been great starting day 1 or not. They are either that dude or not. Manning started day 1 in a league where the QB could get destroyed by defenders.
"thats not a thing anymore" yeah because now they get paid millions a year to come out of college far later and "better prepared" when in all reality they are less prepared for the NFL than previous QBs and are paid and treated like they already know what they are doing. NIL has tried to treat amateurs like professionals.
nah the ncaa was treating professionals as amateurs
@@tommyfu9271 there is not one NCAA player right now with a case for being "professional" just a poor system that incentivizes players to stay in college for 5+ years and come out of college still green and unprepared for the league. They need to do away with NIL.
@@kyledabearsfan no they don't. the ncaa was screwing these players for decades. it's a disgrace what they got away with. ncaa sports especially basketball and football have always been a huge business .. the ncaa just pretended otherwise to line their pockets.
if someone is unprepared for the league they'll flame out. very few can play in the nfl. but there is no valid reason kids can't make money off of their likeness while the ncaa prints money off of them.
He’s right!
Love this
It’s absolutely a thing. Experience matters. College can’t prepare you for the NFL. You need to watch it unfold for a bit
JJ McCarthy comes to mind. Now that Darnold is playing great, I can see JJ sitting for a couple years learning under KOC and being absolutely lethal when it's his turn.
I seem to remember that being done in GB, and Rodgers wasn't very happy about it . . .
Like Aaron or not, he’s right. There’s always gonna be outliers. Jayden daniels, cj stroud, Joe burrow, etc. the problem is that owners/fans/GM’s want players to come in and perform immediately. 95% of the time that isn’t gonna happen. Whether it’s quarterback or any other position. Obviously QB is probably the hardest, but expecting other positions to do it too is crazy. Fans and owners are the most impatient, everyone wants to win now and nobody wants to wait. Then the GMs feel pressure to win because they don’t want to get fired. The whole hire a guy and give him 3-5 years to build a team is out the window at this point
Yet people hate the falcons penix pick. Makes ZERO sense.
He’s right about everything except the round Kirk was drafted which was round 4
Why is Kirk in there? He played good for the Vikings, lol.
Dan Quinn is a great coach. After the Super Bowl loss. The Falcons took a very big hit to their moral. I don’t think anyone would be able to bring their confidence up from such a devastating and embarrassing loss. Which to me explains why the team after was very inconsistent during Quinn’s tenure.
Jets are winnng on Madden
He did miss a beat. There were great moments and signs the first year. He had an incredible throw his first start against the vikings and you could see the signs. He also took a lot of unnecessary sacks. Backbreaking sacks. That was I would say his biggest issue the first season.
Another example (obviously its been a couple seasons already) but Geno Smith had a career that wasn't very impressive as far as "Starting QB" role. Now he's doing well with the Seahawks and is really settled in now
he's a great example. by all accounts he's also matured a ton since he played on the jets.
F*,in love arron Rodgers Tuesdays
I would love Aaron's thoughts on bryce young bryce really looked up to Aaron said he was his favorite qb growing up and I've not heard him mentioned bryce young until now
in the joint practice with the panthers x jets in preseason the two had an exchange. I think Rodgers gave him some advice
On a side note can we get sir Andrew Luck on the show give a little inside on what maybe Tua is kinda going through. Ya know because Luck had to weight his options to keep play and have a F’d up body after football or retire and live his life with his family. I’m pretty sure Andrew Luck misses playing but loves his decision
Damm so true wat he is saying ❤❤❤❤❤
Geno still getting shade 🤣🤣🤣
Then why did everyone fry Atlanta for creating that exact environment?
They didn't even have to trade up and waste draft assets or lose talent.
This is exactly what the Chiefs did with Mahomes. Worked out great!
Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith his entire first year until the final game IIRC.
good career mate best of luck
Not putting Geno Smith in here makes me a lil sad, but I guess on year 3 it's less of a story by now
I don’t really know how to feel as a panthers fan but it’s not like we just benched Bryce and it could or could not be the right decision. It was more like, we were the laughing stock of the NFL the worst team, pat and the boys talking about us, being relegated out of the freaking NFL, getting picked on by ALL MEDIA… I could go on and on. We HAD to do something. On top of that, we have a new coach and I know for a fact that tepper will be patient this go around!! Said coach, Dave Canales was going to lose the locker room, not have the opp to start a new culture and look bad without sitting Bryce. Sitting Bryce was the best thing to do. When it comes to the fans, the team/locker room, the owner, the coach and the rest of the staff. Last years staff threw him to wolves but he should’ve sat. So we are making the right choices now. Idk why everyone fuckin hates us……. Sure rookies throw interceptions and make mistakes and etc.. but after a full season and then the first 2 games of Bryce’s sophomore season, we still couldn’t hardly score a single touchdown. We couldn’t even get a damn first down! Literally.
If you think about it a lot of the best qbs have sat and developed. Mahomes, lamar, allen all sat for a while before starting. Hell even Tom brady
Patience
Why isn't Geno in that picture?
Not all those guys are plug and play. 😂 Thats for sure. Including apparently Aaron.
Idk why it bother me he said Kirk went in the 2nd when he didn’t
Don’t disrespect flacco like that in the thumbnail. Dude has a superbowl mvp and one of the best playoff runs of all time. Don’t act like he’s some of these other guys.
He had 1 great year out of a dozen mid years. Calm down
Should have put geno up there too
I agree with aron but i think in Youngs case it's different not only did they draft him number 1 but they bet the farm on him. Not his fault but when you do that you don't have the ability to wait 3 to 5 years for him to be ready. You have to see improvement and if not you need to put someone in that will give you a better chance to win
When you invest that much in getting a guy, that's exactly the time to have patience. Otherwise it was all for nothing.
Minshew was killing at Jacksonville, they wanted Trevor Lawrence because everyone viewed him as a god since high school. I never saw it personally.
A bad team is lke having a beat-up minivan. Then any QB drafted Top 10 in Round 1 is a Ferrari. Well. sorry to say, but no one wants to leave the Ferrari in the garage! No fan, HC, OC or Owner. Everyone wants to try it, even if to go to the grocery store. And success stories like Stroud and Daniels will only make the expections GO UPWARD with rookie QBs!
Love the ayahuasca enthusiast as a tag for Arron
Let's Go Mets ?
Bears put so much pressure on their rookies!
AYAHUASCA ENTHUSIAST lmao ive done it before and bufo its amazing
If you expect 50 mill a year then the team is well within its rights to expect instant results
Did Rodgers own up to how bad the Broncos defense whooped his ass? You got more effed up in that game than you did taking your psychedelics.
I think people are making too much out of this. Guys that have what it takes will develop either way.
Sure a guy might look better in his first season if he sits comoared to a rookie, but you can't tell me Mahomes, Allen, etc would be better if they sat for 3 years.
Thumbnail is a bit misleading. Half these qbs are veterans regardless of how long they sat. You would hope they figure it out by now.
Pretty sure Flacco was a second round pick
He was not. He was picked 18th overall in 08.
@@HH-le1vi damn, I started liking the Ravens because everyone hated him and I thought he was a second. Thanks for the correction
Best way to learn to drive a car is to sit and watch
No offense, but usually you do just that for 16 years before you actually drive
Yes, you do that for 16 years before you get your license.
I bet you really thought you had something there hey?
Love A Rod, throws such an accurate ball
Rogers didn’t have this opinion after they drafted Love. That is the tradeoff that isn’t brought up. Roger’s wanted someone to help them win a Super Bowl
And Rodgers knows damn well, as does anyone with a brain, that there wasn't really a single player available at that point in the draft that would've been a game changer that helped win a Super Bowl.
Feel free to look at that draft and tell me who they should've drafted that would've helped win a Chip.....
I'll wait.
Who is there to sit behind? No organization wants to have a solid guy who can win several games and win 1 maybe 2 playoff games, they want a guy who can win a SB as soon as possible
And they think a rookie QB is that person? That makes no sense.
The Pittsburgh Steelers have had only 16 head coaches in 90 years of football. That's how you do it.
55 years of those 90, there are 3 coaches, that the success era, 35 years were 13 coaches, that was the losing era...
sometimes I get up ya know to do things but otherwise someone tells me to sit I sit
Winnifred Ports
Cousins was a fourth rounder I think
Trey Lance was doing this
Penix???
someone tag the colts so they can learn
Kirk was a 4th rounder
That’s what happens when fans happiness is wrapped up in watching sports. If their team isn’t winning then they have nothing it seems. Panic if they aren’t winning immediately
Mccarthy will flourish under KOC
It don’t matter how long he sits, when he gets hit it’ll change everything
Joe Flacco had a better playoff run by far then Aaron rodgers Super Bowl run