Batman Forever is and always will be my favorite Batman film and listening to this is amazing! I literally saw the film in theaters 17 times….so as you can imagine…seeing this cut would be a dream come true for me!
BATMAN 4EVER IS ALSO 1 OF MY FAVE BATFILMS & VAL KILMER WAS MORE MY VISION OF BATS THEN KEATON IF 4 NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT HE MOVED MORE EASILY; AGILITY CAME QUICKER 2 KILMERS VERSION,PLUS HE WAS A MORE HUMAN BRUCE WAYNE WITH A GIRLFRIEND AT THE END NO LESS!
Speaking of the two-face coin flipping scene in Wayne Manor, I remember someone headcannoned it to say two-face was deciding the fate of Chase, Alfred, and Bruce, not flipping it 3 times just for Bruce. I don't think thats the intention when they filmed it but a neat idea. I grew up watching Batman Forever and I dearly wish I could make the pilgrimage to see the Schumacher cut in theater but I can't. Thanks so much for covering this so in depth.
I loved that scene where the invasion of Wayne Manor occurred. Joel did an amazing job filming that scene with Val Kilmer, Nicole Kidman, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, and Michael Gough.
This was just so amazing! I am so happy for you guys to not only see this cut, but enjoy the locations of Kevin Smith. Thank you for talking about a movie that I hope gets a release at some point.
Guys...seriously thank you so much for this. Really enjoyed this podcast. I am watching this a year later... that being said, do you guys have any updates? Like do you know anything at all if this will ever come to fruition for batman fans on physical or digital release?
Thank you so much for providing such an in-depth overview of this cut of the movie. I love Batman Forever. It was the first Batman movie I saw theatrically and one I’ve seen countless times. I’d love the opportunity to see this version.
7:50 watch the flash episode of Fatman Beyond, the guy who gave it to him shows his face on the video and they go into detail about how both of them got the Schumacher Cut.
Smooth out the editing, add the credits, put the "Now because I choose to be" scene back in, and this sounds like it'd be the ultimate version of the movie. Really hope it gets released.
Also there were a sequence where you can briefly find on the U2 music video of "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" where Bruce Wayne suddenly wakes up after a nightmare, this scene is included in this "schumacher cut"?
You guys mentioned that the producers had worked with Tommy Lee on The Fugitive but also Joel had just worked with him on The Client which inspired him to bring him in for Harvey.
Stumbled upon this review through one of your comments on Instagram on a Burton Page showing love to Batman Forever. Glad I did. Great review. Love Batman Forever. Val Kilmer has always been a goat Batman. Hope The Schumacher Cut is released someday. I want to watch it and own it.
Ive read the comic book adaption of the movie in the collected paperback edition of all the 4 movies, In it, its starts with 2 face escaping, theres the Riddler drugging Chase after shes capture at the mansion scene, 2 Face/Riddler discussing something and 1 of them saying Jim Morrison was right.
Put it on a Batman Forever Blu Ray as a bonus feature. Also when you select to watch the workprint Kevin Smith does the intro. Or if they do go & a reedit of the with all the extended & deleted scenes call it Batman Forever extended cut. Also the giant Bat scene descent into mystery from the 89 film would fit.
Quick question if you remember because I have done a lot of research on BF big fan of the movie. From what I read so much was filmed along with Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones acting very serious the question I have is. Any differences of Batman fighting with the thugs at the bank besides added lines are there any differences during the circus scene thank you.
I agree that this shouldn't be called "The Schumacher Cut" because even during publicity for Batman & Robin, Schumacher always said he was not interested in making a dark Batman movie. He wanted it light and comical. So I can't imagine he wanted Batman Forever to be dark. That was always Tim Burton's mandate as Batman Forever Exec Producer. So Schumacher was just shooting the script he was given.
Yeah, Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever was to hire his friend Joel Schumacher as director, and helping out hiring Lee and Janet Scott Batchler to write the screenplay for the film, and that's why in the opening credits of Batman Forever, Burton was credited as producer.
Schumacher was a company man, he'll say whatever was needed and make whatever movie he was told to make. The fact is, he submitted a BF movie more akin to Tim Burton's movies but changes were ordered by WB and subsequently, remain for B&R.
Schmacher actually originally wanted to do Batman: Year One as he claims that to be his favorite Batman story, but the company said they wanted a family friendly movie, after the Returns backlash at the time, so he cave into those demands and did a movie that was inspired by the Batman stories he read as a kid from the 40s to 50s while trying to balance that darker version he wanted to have in the first place.
@@DarkHeroesForever And Batman Forever had a good balance of bright and dark, and yes, for me, Joel's Batman is a continuation of Tim's Batman (I don't care about the Batman 89 comic and the Flash movie, because for me, they're canonical).
I really like both the hair & nail salon scene, plus the talking head lambasting Batman on TV. The salon scene shows Riddler's technical ability to throw the Batcomputer off, explaining WHY Batman didn't stop their heists. It also sets up how and why Riddler can navigate the Batcave during the raid on Wayne Manor. As for 'Kenneth Frequency', that's a pull from the TV segments in The Dark Knight Returns, shot and laid out just like the comic panels. The guy talks in a shrill tone and is patronisingly verbose, but that's on purpose. You guys say he was terrible and should have been fired, but like... annoying talking head on television is what he was going for and it worked.
The original unfilmed ending of Batman forever was epic It involved Batman hallucinating his parents death from riddlers gas It also had quick shots of joker car woman etc A playback of all of Batman’s enemies or failures as riddler probes the mind of Batman from his device
@@filmdirt Nah, I think it was cut for budgetary reasons. It would have been a very elaborate sequence with a bunch of different special effects. This was all in the original script.
Those were from the earlier drafts of Batman Forever meant for Michael Keaton to return. When Val Kilmer was selected as Michael's successor, they were rewritten several times, and it had only reference Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman during the "Batsignal is not a beeper" scene, Bruce talking to Dick about his past actions in the Batcave after the night fight with the Neon Gang, and the young Jack Napier killing Thomas and Martha Wayne in the flashbacks.
Not sure that I like this new train of thought that anything good with Batman Forever is attributed to Schumacher, but anything bad is attributed to other parties. In this video you blame WB, Tommy Lee Jones, and Elliot Goldenthall. No mention of how Schumacher should’ve directed Jones into giving a good performance or how he should’ve asked Goldenthall to tone down the score. I’m sure WB is partially responsible for how the theatrical cut turned out, but let’s not act like Schumacher doesn’t also share partial blame for how it turned out.
True, it's a weird revaluation of a fairly mediocre film. Although I know people blame Schumacher but if you compare it to the Lost Boys, the tone does seem weird.
@@brooksproductions9573 Like most people that defend this movie, I grew up with the film. Before I discovered Batman 1989 I’d say Forever was the primary Batman film I’d watch all the time. However, looking at it today as you said it’s fairly mediocre and forgettable. I think Kilmer gives a flat performance, Tommy Lee Jones is terrible, Chase Meridian is poorly written, and once Dick Grayson becomes Robin he’s wasted. Also, the Bruce Wayne arc feels incomplete and doesn’t make much sense due to everything that was edited out of it. To me it feels like the die hard fans of this film are pulling in aspects and details from the novelization, the script, and the deleted scenes and creating a better film in their heads. As it stands I can still enjoy the theatrical cut, but it’s definitely a lower tier Batflick for me. Having said all of that, I’m definitely interested in seeing a different cut of it. I do think the bits and pieces that are discussed in this video are vital to the overall story. And don’t get me wrong, I do think Schumacher was a talented filmmaker but he just made some strange decisions on these films. It certainly doesn’t feel like the same filmmaker that made Lost Boys and Falling Down.
@jalenjohnson1662 I know right. This is a weird period in Schumachers career. I'm always up for an alternative cut or edit of a film. I think the cuts will make the film more complete, but it's not going to radically change the quality.
they need a Danny elfman or the batman composer or even the cartoon composer to do a new batman forever director's also get rid of all the bad scenes and add more action scenes
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The best review you guys ever done!
Batman Forever is and always will be my favorite Batman film and listening to this is amazing! I literally saw the film in theaters 17 times….so as you can imagine…seeing this cut would be a dream come true for me!
Yeah. I had Batman Forever on both DVD and Blu-Ray, and it was awesome. Val Kilmer is my favorite Batman.
@@evanzaremba4722 Mine as well!
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Watch the batman Forever VIRTUAL WORKPRINT.
BATMAN 4EVER IS ALSO 1 OF MY FAVE BATFILMS & VAL KILMER WAS MORE MY VISION OF BATS THEN KEATON IF 4 NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT HE MOVED MORE EASILY; AGILITY CAME QUICKER 2 KILMERS VERSION,PLUS HE WAS A MORE HUMAN BRUCE WAYNE WITH A GIRLFRIEND AT THE END NO LESS!
@@integrity101 I'll watch that, one day.
Speaking of the two-face coin flipping scene in Wayne Manor, I remember someone headcannoned it to say two-face was deciding the fate of Chase, Alfred, and Bruce, not flipping it 3 times just for Bruce. I don't think thats the intention when they filmed it but a neat idea. I grew up watching Batman Forever and I dearly wish I could make the pilgrimage to see the Schumacher cut in theater but I can't. Thanks so much for covering this so in depth.
I loved that scene where the invasion of Wayne Manor occurred. Joel did an amazing job filming that scene with Val Kilmer, Nicole Kidman, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, and Michael Gough.
This was just so amazing! I am so happy for you guys to not only see this cut, but enjoy the locations of Kevin Smith. Thank you for talking about a movie that I hope gets a release at some point.
That's right.
Guys...seriously thank you so much for this. Really enjoyed this podcast. I am watching this a year later... that being said, do you guys have any updates? Like do you know anything at all if this will ever come to fruition for batman fans on physical or digital release?
Thank you so much for providing such an in-depth overview of this cut of the movie. I love Batman Forever. It was the first Batman movie I saw theatrically and one I’ve seen countless times. I’d love the opportunity to see this version.
7:50 watch the flash episode of Fatman Beyond, the guy who gave it to him shows his face on the video and they go into detail about how both of them got the Schumacher Cut.
Smooth out the editing, add the credits, put the "Now because I choose to be" scene back in, and this sounds like it'd be the ultimate version of the movie. Really hope it gets released.
That would be great.
Also there were a sequence where you can briefly find on the U2 music video of "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" where Bruce Wayne suddenly wakes up after a nightmare, this scene is included in this "schumacher cut"?
Is in there the scene of Bruce in his office With the riddles thinking? There is a lot of photos of That scene on Internet
Great video guys!!!!
That's right.
Justin has very awesome neon Batman Forever hair. He'd fit right in that movie's universe
Exactly.
Also hope they keep the closing credits with Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me that song alone is dope!
Me too.
Also "Kiss From A Rose" as well
@@DeANGELIS4735 Yes.
You guys mentioned that the producers had worked with Tommy Lee on The Fugitive but also Joel had just worked with him on The Client which inspired him to bring him in for Harvey.
Right. Because Tommy Lee Jones had known Joel and Peter.
Already listened to the Previous audio drop.... LOVE it. Thank you for going out to it!!!
It’s back up!
I love it too.
@@justinesquivel4418 I know, right?
Stumbled upon this review through one of your comments on Instagram on a Burton Page showing love to Batman Forever. Glad I did. Great review. Love Batman Forever. Val Kilmer has always been a goat Batman. Hope The Schumacher Cut is released someday. I want to watch it and own it.
Ive read the comic book adaption of the movie in the collected paperback edition of all the 4 movies, In it, its starts with 2 face escaping, theres the Riddler drugging Chase after shes capture at the mansion scene, 2 Face/Riddler discussing something and 1 of them saying Jim Morrison was right.
I did have that, and it's part of the Batman: The Movies graphic novel.
Waiting since 1995 for this, take the DVD.
Yeah, my friend.
Insane, hope we'll get to see it oneday. WB could release it
Put it on a Batman Forever Blu Ray as a bonus feature. Also when you select to watch the workprint Kevin Smith does the intro. Or if they do go & a reedit of the with all the extended & deleted scenes call it Batman Forever extended cut. Also the giant Bat scene descent into mystery from the 89 film would fit.
Quick question if you remember because I have done a lot of research on BF big fan of the movie. From what I read so much was filmed along with Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones acting very serious the question I have is. Any differences of Batman fighting with the thugs at the bank besides added lines are there any differences during the circus scene thank you.
Me too.
Pity Joel Schumacher has passed on before it was on..
Thank u for sharing maybe one day we get the cut with deleted scenes added
Yeah.
Where did he buy that awesome jacket?
I agree that this shouldn't be called "The Schumacher Cut" because even during publicity for Batman & Robin, Schumacher always said he was not interested in making a dark Batman movie. He wanted it light and comical. So I can't imagine he wanted Batman Forever to be dark. That was always Tim Burton's mandate as Batman Forever Exec Producer. So Schumacher was just shooting the script he was given.
Yeah, Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever was to hire his friend Joel Schumacher as director, and helping out hiring Lee and Janet Scott Batchler to write the screenplay for the film, and that's why in the opening credits of Batman Forever, Burton was credited as producer.
Schumacher was a company man, he'll say whatever was needed and make whatever movie he was told to make. The fact is, he submitted a BF movie more akin to Tim Burton's movies but changes were ordered by WB and subsequently, remain for B&R.
@@filmdirt and Michael Uslan said that Joel was treated unfairly when B&R was like BR all over again, but a little too light because of MacDonalds.
Schmacher actually originally wanted to do Batman: Year One as he claims that to be his favorite Batman story, but the company said they wanted a family friendly movie, after the Returns backlash at the time, so he cave into those demands and did a movie that was inspired by the Batman stories he read as a kid from the 40s to 50s while trying to balance that darker version he wanted to have in the first place.
@@DarkHeroesForever And Batman Forever had a good balance of bright and dark, and yes, for me, Joel's Batman is a continuation of Tim's Batman (I don't care about the Batman 89 comic and the Flash movie, because for me, they're canonical).
Where did you get the hoodie!?! I need that !!!
Me too.
Kevin interviews the guy he got it from on his podcast were he reviews it
We have a follow-up episode with Joe himself dropping on Monday!
@@justinesquivel4418 Awesome I look forward to watching it:) I enjoyed the other one you guys did and wanna see that cut so bad for myself 👀
Yeah. Kevin did a great interview with Joe Black.
@@justinesquivel4418 Exactly.
@@showtime1285 Me too.
Sadly the August event is already sold out because after hearing this I wanted to grab tickets.
You had the tickets for the theater.
We're do i sign a petition too of promoting relase schumacher cut
Did they had scene where Riddler pokes Chase with a needle to make her fall a sleep? Is the scene where he talks with her in chains is the same?
Finna watch the 2nd part,hell yeah!!!
Saw ur tweet but cant find part 2?🤔
Don't worry, you'll find it.
I really like both the hair & nail salon scene, plus the talking head lambasting Batman on TV.
The salon scene shows Riddler's technical ability to throw the Batcomputer off, explaining WHY Batman didn't stop their heists. It also sets up how and why Riddler can navigate the Batcave during the raid on Wayne Manor.
As for 'Kenneth Frequency', that's a pull from the TV segments in The Dark Knight Returns, shot and laid out just like the comic panels. The guy talks in a shrill tone and is patronisingly verbose, but that's on purpose. You guys say he was terrible and should have been fired, but like... annoying talking head on television is what he was going for and it worked.
Awesome video,it was worth it.
I just want the film to have the added scenes. No cuts and keep The Original Sountrack.
I hate that it will take this strike to it, but I have a strong feeling this fabled cut will get an official release in the near future.
That's a great episode.
The original unfilmed ending of Batman forever was epic
It involved Batman hallucinating his parents death from riddlers gas
It also had quick shots of joker car woman etc
A playback of all of Batman’s enemies or failures as riddler probes the mind of Batman from his device
Interesting but no doubt intended for the reshoots but WB had already ordered the changes they wanted by then.
@@filmdirt Nah, I think it was cut for budgetary reasons. It would have been a very elaborate sequence with a bunch of different special effects. This was all in the original script.
Those were from the earlier drafts of Batman Forever meant for Michael Keaton to return. When Val Kilmer was selected as Michael's successor, they were rewritten several times, and it had only reference Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman during the "Batsignal is not a beeper" scene, Bruce talking to Dick about his past actions in the Batcave after the night fight with the Neon Gang, and the young Jack Napier killing Thomas and Martha Wayne in the flashbacks.
@@filmdirt Nah, they only keep the references of the first two films in the movie.
@@jalenjohnson1662 Yeah, the Batchlers did that and it was meant for Michael Keaton to come back before Val Kilmer was cast.
Not sure that I like this new train of thought that anything good with Batman Forever is attributed to Schumacher, but anything bad is attributed to other parties. In this video you blame WB, Tommy Lee Jones, and Elliot Goldenthall. No mention of how Schumacher should’ve directed Jones into giving a good performance or how he should’ve asked Goldenthall to tone down the score.
I’m sure WB is partially responsible for how the theatrical cut turned out, but let’s not act like Schumacher doesn’t also share partial blame for how it turned out.
True, it's a weird revaluation of a fairly mediocre film. Although I know people blame Schumacher but if you compare it to the Lost Boys, the tone does seem weird.
As much as I loved the theatrical version of the film, I'll love the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever when I watched it.
@@brooksproductions9573 For me, I loved Forever. It had a good balance of bright and dark.
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Like most people that defend this movie, I grew up with the film. Before I discovered Batman 1989 I’d say Forever was the primary Batman film I’d watch all the time.
However, looking at it today as you said it’s fairly mediocre and forgettable. I think Kilmer gives a flat performance, Tommy Lee Jones is terrible, Chase Meridian is poorly written, and once Dick Grayson becomes Robin he’s wasted. Also, the Bruce Wayne arc feels incomplete and doesn’t make much sense due to everything that was edited out of it.
To me it feels like the die hard fans of this film are pulling in aspects and details from the novelization, the script, and the deleted scenes and creating a better film in their heads. As it stands I can still enjoy the theatrical cut, but it’s definitely a lower tier Batflick for me.
Having said all of that, I’m definitely interested in seeing a different cut of it. I do think the bits and pieces that are discussed in this video are vital to the overall story.
And don’t get me wrong, I do think Schumacher was a talented filmmaker but he just made some strange decisions on these films. It certainly doesn’t feel like the same filmmaker that made Lost Boys and Falling Down.
@jalenjohnson1662 I know right. This is a weird period in Schumachers career. I'm always up for an alternative cut or edit of a film. I think the cuts will make the film more complete, but it's not going to radically change the quality.
? Means two things In this movie not just the riddlers but why is he Batman Bruce dealing two sides kind of like two face
That's why they made Two-Face Batman's enemy and The Riddler Bruce Wayne's enemy.
PHONEZ
they need a Danny elfman or the batman composer or even the cartoon composer to do a new batman forever director's also get rid of all the bad scenes and add more action scenes
Right.
No. Goldenthal's score is fantastic.
@@systemmonitor5295 That's right. Goldenthal did a wonderful job coming up with a great score for Batman Forever.