Harmonic Atheist - The deconversion story of Hannah Timson
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2020
- Today I spoke with Hannah Timson, the former President at Humanist Students UK.
Hannah joined me previously for a discussion with Mike Lawrence regarding the subject of the abusiveness of childhood indoctrination, but today we talked through Hannah's deconversion story.
We focused on the early cracks in the foundation of her Christian beliefs, the issues and crucial questions that came to the forefront as she worked through whether or not the Bible stories were real or mythological, and the implications. We discussed her final steps toward deconversion, her exit from Christianity, and what it looks like to live a life free from a pretend deity and worldview, and from the horrific and bizarre teachings of the Bible and Christianity.
Many thanks to Hannah for her openness and vulnerability, her bravery to tackle the hard questions, and her willingness to be a strong voice for the atheist and humanist communities.
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Hannah is a former president of Humanist Students UK. Their website is:
humanism.org.uk/students/
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I love these stories! Thank you Tim & Hannah for being great human beings!
Greetings from Lancaster PA 😉 I grew up in the pentecostal denomination in a church where my Dad was the pastor, until I was 15. My deconversion has been really hard, especially the eternal damnation part. After 3 years and a battle with depression I am finally free and trying to enjoy life to the fullest. Your channel as well as Mythvision opened my eyes. Thank you Tim.
I too broke away from the Pentecostal church.🎉
@ladonnainman8476 great to hear, good for you!!
Congrats on escaping and hope you are living your life now.
Thanks for what you're doing Tim, the world needs more of this, ALL religions!! Things have never changed with silence, stand up, stand out!!
I am moved by Hannah's story.
Thank you both for this great discussion. 💛🙂
Great interview - could very much related to Hannah's story. Thank you both.
Hannah's deconversion story is inextricably intwined to my own; specifically her struggle with the problem of suffering. Obviously she covers a lot more ground in this interview, but her appearance on 'Unbelievable?' with Sharon Dirckx (which was mainly discussing the problem of suffering) was the final straw for my own Christian ✝️ faith. I became a humanist soon after that.
Btw, it's a delicious irony that Hannah's Mum sent her off to live with the Amish for a year so her faith could be strengthened, yet it had precisely the opposite effect! 😉
Love your deconversion story Hannah..it's so hypocritical for your parents teaching you as a child about demons as a child yet christians today prevent their children from watching Harry Potter films as they're seen as demonic..keep posting love your honesty..Regards from Australia.
Thanks for that feedback, Tom!
1:33:22 good point, that they don't think it's a lie. But then the onus is on them to make sure it's true. Since the child has no critical thinking skills or ability to resist the teaching, the adult needs to do all the work of examining the counter points, looking at the history and listening to the critics to be sure they are justified in overriding the child's will.
Love your channel!
Thank you so much!
Hannah Timson is fascinating and very articulate.
Your story reminds me of my own in some ways and I found out later in life I have OCD and scrupulosity was one of my themes not so much anymore especially since deconversion.
When you have round two, I'd be interested in her Amish adventure, reasons and results. Was it English Amish (originally Europe) or from the US?
Baptists were originally British, so a discussion on the changes made going to America.
Former Hyles Anderson College here. Amazing how little I learned there.
Hyles Anderson? That's right near my town in Indiana. LOTS of sexual abuse happened there from what some former members told me.
Plenty
@@spaceghost8995 You mean to say you anti theist are infallible and are fit to run the world? Just take a look at history through communist lens!
It’s hard to watch this when there’s an ad every minute or two.
Anytime ads are a problem just pull the red dot all the way to the end of the time . Then the replay button shows up in the middle of the video ( where previously was the play button). Push the replay button and BAM, ads are gone.
I, like Hanna, would hate to upset Christians by openly disagreeing with them especially members of your own family who still hold on to the hope that you will return to the fold one day. But it is funny that most Christians don't seem to mind upsetting unbelievers at all because they feel so strongly that they are in the right & they must not be offended.
Hannah obviously has a gift for candid self-expression and Tim is a fine interviewer and excellent listener. I get the sense that God loves them both very, very much.
Thanks, Arthur! Zeus loves you, too!
@@HarmonicAtheist Ahh; a good sense of humor too! I applaud your spiritual journey. How does the saying go: At the end of all our travels, we'll arrive back at where we first began, and know the place for the first time.
hi Arthur, Allah loves you too, Allah means *THE* God, *THE* Creator of everything including you [no other] where you will return to where it first began. Have sincere faith in Allah as He is the ONLY saviour for/from your sins. Bow down on your knees NOW and repent to Allah and accept Allah as your redeemer and saviour before it is too late.
@@timetoreason181 Why do disciples of Allah choose to hide their identities behind aliases, like Time to Reason, when professing their faith?
@@arthurmontana8791 So you are in a conundrum right my silly man? You are confused with which god, right? How about Krishna as The God, has a very ancient history, billions follow him, and above all hardly any evil, barbaric teachings with Him. No wonder you all are deluded, sadly I do not have any medication for mental illness. Allah means *GOD* the ONLY creator who created *you* as well, if you are so uneducated.
Love yourself, love yr neighbor - pray to be humble and show gratitude - thats it in a nutshell -we are fragile born imperfect into an imperfect world yet we dream, we hope and keep trying to improve ourselves in multitudes of ways to comprehend better, empathize better to grow stronger, more conscious of our decisions aware that its impossible to approach perfection bc we are broken -this is wisdom, our minds eye can see that which has no form yet through persistence we takes the first step to remake the world in our image through faith, the substance of things not seen except in our minds eye becomes reality through will & determination we bring safety, shelter, warmth food and companionship - I think that ppl are confused by certain concepts introduced by sects of Christianity which have little to do with the spirit of Christian brotherly love, communion together and building the institutions which care for humanities bodies and souls- important traditions that mark passing milestones and confirm responsibility to others and oneself - u can be as mystical or mundane as personally capable without marring the gift of fellowship - its also about the importance of having good spirits as examples bc garbage in, garbage out is the way our OS runs - too much negativity darkens our soul while too much sunlight creates an empty desert inside. Dont be fooled by nonsense and convoluted explanations - Christianity is simple needing no candles, hymns or rituals just an open heart open ears and open mind accepting that self control is a mans duty and that to suffer for love is the greatest sacrifice -
Hannah Timson was an impressive and informative guest. Realizing the God of of the Old Testament was not the God of Creation or the God Jesus taught about is a lot to understand. Zacharia Stichin's research on the source materials for the OT that Daniel was exposed to during the Babylon Captivity was a key factor in finding my way to the God of Light that Jesus taught about. The source of all creation became real to me when I was seven years old. To know the Source of ALL things requires no human teacher. Accounts of Near Death experiences researched by Raymond Moody was icing on the Cake of Truth for me. I found no reason to become an Atheist. In 2017 there was a story out Rome that the Pope told a reporter that Hell was invented by the Catholic Church to control the masses. The true and living Source is pure Love. Fear is the opposite of Love and is in Opposition to Love.
Prayer is like a telephone when you talk to jesus..same telephone to use when you talk to apolo , osiris or zeus ( imaginary characters born in the human mind )
Hannah, you're not an 'atheist'. That's what religion does. If you don't fall for its folly, it aportions a 'derogatory' title to you as if it's a 'sin' not to subscribe to it. If you're a non-believer, you don't have to be anything but yourself. You're a person with a conscience and intellect to scrutinize things for 'what they are' and make up your mind about it. Trust me, you're the better for it!
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She may be less familiar with American Christianity where we ARE taught that genocide is good and God’s will.
First I've heard of it, and I'm American.
We have come & we'll have to go.
We are "from" father "through" mother "to" the earth. Sons/daughters.
"From" earth "through"? "To" is automatic.
Somehow going, without "through", is a devotee.
Going"through" the Son(Jesus) is son. Heaven or the Home above is in need of sons not devotees.
Atheist Sees Unimaginable Levels of Torment in Hell (Bryan Melvin NDE) - RUclips
Imagination is a powerful drug.
Isn't it nice that god allows people to just have a glimpse of hell, and then people escape that hell, because the doctors are able to revive the person, cancelling god and his hell out?
I would not have believed that god is a low iq entity, but you have proved this right here and now.
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Science is valid but so is a belief in a Creator or source energy
Albert Einstein sometimes used metaphorical 'god talk' to evoke feelings of wonder and amazement at the created universe and how it operates according to consistent laws.
At the same time he rejected notions both of a supernatural or personal god and regarded the Bible as a book of myths.
"The horrific and bizarre teachings of Christianity"? What garbage. Only horrific and bizarre if you are a fundamentalist, which most of us are absolutely not. What is "horrific and bizarre" about the scond part of Christ's Summary of the Law: "Love your neighbour as yourself".
Horrific and bizarre teachings of Christianity are part of the very foundation of the religion. If you aren't convinced god exists when you die, you burn in hell forever. Definitely horrific and bizarre.
@@WhiteRaven43 Absolute rubbish!
@@marksmale827 You can call it rubbish, but I don't think it is. Am I not supposed to take the proposition that I'll burn forever seriously? In that case, it's even more obviously ridiculous, but I was operating under the presumption that Christians believed in what the Bible said. The Bible says those who lack belief will burn forever. Do you see where I'm coming from?
@@WhiteRaven43 I’ve never seen that anywhere. The bible says all sorts of things. It all comes down to interpretation. The only reliable interpretation is by the institution which produced it and that is not the myriad sects of fundamentalism.
@@marksmale827 You didn't know the bible says that? You should read it more. It does say all sorts of things, and many of them horrific and bizarre. It says things like you can own slaves and beat them, and you can stone people, too. But that's the tip of the iceberg. God commands armies to kill people and destroy entire cities in the Bible! You'll be surprised at how horrific the god of the Bible is if you read it more.
does look a like myth temple zero its where gods presithood is not some right wing collage the fall of the first temple in the city of david lead to site tomb of nephi but there is poof just not the right wing fake church
It is impossible to be an atheist. How can you disagree with something that according to you doesn't even exist?? Therefore, in order for you to even have an argument, you have to acknowledge the existence of God.
Atheists aren't say they are disagreeing with god, they are saying there is no god ... we're disagreeing with the people making it up, or more specifically, we're arguing with the worldview that they were indoctrinated with, and we as well in many cases, that needs to be exposed as a fraud. We're not fighting the tooth fairy, we're saying there is no tooth fairy. We're fighting the idea that you should pray to the tooth fairy.
@@HarmonicAtheist That is my point. If God doesn't exist, then even the "idea" of God cannot exist either...Again, how can you disagree with either the "idea" or the actual being if neither exist...So then my point that as an atheist does NOT have a position or argument, since you even use the word god in your text...Therefor you actually establish God as a being or an "idea"...So if you continue with your argument, you have serious doubts of being an atheist..you may even have thoughts that there really is a God...My last point is again, you should not even have this youtube channel that since you believe God nor the "idea of God exists there is really no point in discussing it.
@fish transgender good point. I guess I should have said non-God supporters. So thanks for your insight. Since God exists there is no such thing as....however you cannot take away my personal experience with the Holy Spirit. You have actually strengthened my faith. It is tru
True that it is very difficult to humanly explain a divine interaction with God.
@@michaelgregory6384 You couldn't convince too many Atheists of that, most of us are former theists and lived that lie for years. Of course, we weren't "true" xians just people like you are 'special' and god has chosen you as his special children! We just spent 25 years reading the bible, tithing regularly, converting other "lost souls" and praying day and night. I sincerely believe that fanatics and fundamentalists have some sort of mental disease and are destined to "live" their lives as slaves to their delusions. Their cognitive dissonance has them in a trance, their confirmation bias overwhelms them. They try to make sense of a book that makes no sense, the feeling of being watched 24/7, the inability to salivate over a fine woman, the inability to be "human" has them in a quandary. I know, I lived it for those 25 yrs, I didn't realize these things when I was in that box all that time but I see it for what it is now. I lost 25 yrs of my childhood, early adulthood years that I can't get back. I was pissed at my parents. but realize they had good intent and were "victims" too. You sir are one of those victims, but also one of those that will remain a slave. You have no "interaction with god", we both know it. You say it's hard to explain this interaction, we both know why....
It’s interesting to me that when a person is predisposed (for whatever reason) to believe or not believe a thing, their “research” leads them to where they want to end up. So many “discoveries” for these two are either from old scholarship or very debatable scholarship by people who themselves latched on to “research” that lead them to what they too wanted to believe.
On a related note, there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance that a person has to resolve when they are regularly having sex with their friend but have learned that it displeases God.
You don't know what displeases god. Research does not always lead to what you want to find but sitting on your couch, believing everything you're told and learning not to question it, while berating others for their research efforts will get you nowhere.
Whether you're atheist or not, sociology is a complete waste.
I doubt you could even define it.
Bkstandard88 ,
If you actually knew what it was, you'd wish you knew more.
Mythology is gust that myth and legon but why would i give up my personal relationship with my lord my god my heavenly father the cerator of all things just makes no sence its like giveing up math and science to witch proves his will and are exitance
Jesus offer you salavation, but you chose devil's way, you'll perish .
I offer her love, peace, compassion and comfort right here right now for her to live her one and only life without fear, threats and intimidations, me being a humanist and atheist. And that is the difference between ''a'' man called Jesus and me!
They dont exist
Jesus and Devil.
Jesus has no way to offer salvation. You can't take the blame for someone else in a just world. The idea that a human sacrifice has the power to save you is not just wrong, it's evil.
Jesus offers salivation? Ok.
You were deconverted from a false religion which was NOT the Christianity Christ lived and taught. You are no better off than before.
No True Scotsman fallacy
And what makes you better then her?
@@grimlund He didn't say "he was better than her," he said, "You are not better off than before".Mhhh, twisting one's word to manipulate the situation. And Instead of calling Christians manipulators, you should call yourselves by the right name (manipulators)!
@@sv8156 I never called you manipulators. Fear mongers is a better name of christians. Thats what it is all about. Fear.
@@grimlund I hope that the gospel of salvation will not fear you! the gospel means good news!!! 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4
We are all sinners and fall short in God his glory - how to be saved - this is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4 by trusting and believing the gospel of salvation you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise till the day of redemption and nothing can pluck you out of the Father his hand - only by the shed blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we can be washed and cleansed from all of our unrighteousness - eternal security is a free gift - it's a promise and God Almighty cannot lie!!! Have a blessed day!
Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already ARE!
This is the gospel of salvation - 1 Corinthians chapter 15 verses 1-4
Witnesses of Christ's resurrection. 1) Moreover,brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2) ''By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
IT IS FINISHED... Paid in Full !!! But, You Must BELIEVE IT - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV.
Like many "Christians" today, Satan believes Jesus died on the cross, but not for HIS sins. He believes Jesus has risen, but not for HIS eternal life.
Satan believes the event of the cross but never put his trust in Christ's finished work for salvation.
Salvation is not: Believing there is a God. (Satan believes that)
Salvation is not: Believing Christ was the Messiah. (Satan believes that)
Salvation is not even... Believing Christ died, was buried and rose the third day. (Satan believes that also)
Salvation is: Believing Christ died for YOUR EVERY SIN and trusting that He rose to give you eternal life IN HIM!
Something Satan and most Christians want no part of because of their PRIDE!
If denominationalists truly believed Christ forgave their sins, they wouldn't spend so much time trying to GET them forgiven.
One tells you to pray for forgiveness.
One tells you to confess for forgiveness.
One tells you to believe for forgiveness.
One tells you to repent for forgiveness.
One tells you to be baptized for forgiveness.
And keep in mind, all of these folk with a straight face will tell you Christ DIED for your sins. Welcome to Nutsville!!! I think Dorothy got lost on the yellow brick road.
Today I unapologetically proclaim that there is only one way to be saved, and it has nothing to do with getting your sins forgiven. Salvations through FAITH. (Ephesians 2:8-9) Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Salvation comes to those who are ready to give up on THEIR performance and rest their faith in JESUS' performance.
The path to salvation is narrow. SO narrow that nothing you do will fit.
Satan will never be saved for the same reason he was kicked out of heaven. P-R-I-D-E. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Read carefully and count how many times he says "I".
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Satan is obviously a Narcissist!
Like a vain person in front of the mirror, five times in only three verses he boasts of himself. Pride keeps Satan from being saved as it does most of the world. They have fallen victim to SELFIANITY and are incapable of letting go and letting God. Incapable of taking their filthy hands off their salvation and allowing God to save them by HIS finished work!
If you say --- "I said a prayer for forgiveness." "I confessed for forgiveness." "I believed for forgiveness." "I repented for forgiveness." "I was baptized for forgiveness."
Then sadly you have fallen for the five I's just like Satan.
Salvation is not getting your sins forgiven, it's believing they already ARE!
To be saved, you must first get "I" out of the way.
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