Assuming it takes 1 minute to gather 100 wood and an item dropped takes 2/3 of a second to come back into the inventory, we want to optimize the amount of wood it'd require to a more accurate degree than just the number of stacks (e.g. 0.8 stacks vs 1.2 stacks) by using the equation y = (2/3)(1,000,000/(60x)) + x/100, where x is the amount of wood and y is the final time in minutes. This has a local min when x is about 1054, or a stack and 55 wood. Though obviously the "1 minute to gather 100 wood" is a bit broad and not very accurate. In fact, the local min of this function is larger than your final time, but my main point is just that a little more than one stack does seem to be the optimal amount of wood. If you rewrite this function as f(x,k) = (2/3)(1,000,000/(60x)) + x/k, where k is the amount of wood you can collect on average. Doing this gives us a partial derivative of 1/k - 1,000,000/(9x^2), and finding the local min of f(x,k) in the x-direction shows us that the optimal amount of wood is 1000sqrt(k)/3. Therefore the more wood you can collect on average, the more wood you should collect before dropping all the items against a wall. If you can get up to 150 wood per day, then the optimal amount of wood becomes about 1291, or a stack and 292 wood, so it can become quite significant.
it felt like potentially you can save time in the winter forage route, but i was clearly on the bait side during the stream, so i am biased. maybe sub 20 is possible? either way, great video
I'm high and sleep deprived as hell and actually looked forward to putting on something in the background and dozing off, but I guess I need to watch this guy get an achievement that's only available by using a chat command.
Just saw a minor update, he finally fixed the infinite roe exploit, but he still hasn't fixed the price for magnet bait being 1k per bait and only getting 1 magnet bait during fishing festival
Here is the math behind the graph shown, You can make an equation for t(the time taken to complete the run) in terms of T1(some constant time), T2(the time taken to get each stack) and x(the number of stacks gotten). (The time taken to pick up each stack is assumed to be 1) t=T1+10^6/(999x) + T2(x) dt/dx = -10^6/(999x^2) + T2 The time is minimum when dt/dx = 0, For dt/dx = 0, T2= 10^6/(999x^2) This is what is the graph shown in the video, with y=T2. Despite this, I think x as a function of T2 is more useful since it tells you the optimum stack size for each time. x(T2) = sqrt(10^6/(999T2)) You can confirm this is the same graph in the video as x(60)~4 which is what the chatter who sends the message says.
Wood has the advantage that it is the item you are picking up (as opposed to the bait that you can only pick up after purchase), so it could be not a bad idea to throw the wood you have at a tree, start chopping it (pick up the wood during this) and then repeat, you would already be working towards the goal using the down time of chopping for some extra pick ups, maybe?
Routing for this kinda thing seems so interesting, especially when taking the wood route. I wonder how much you can optimize the amount of trees chopped within the timeframe. So neat!
I think a big missing optimization is rather than stacking the day after you get 999+some, you stack during the day you're collecting by throwing the wood out while you chop, like chop -> throw -> chop -> throw -> chop. this would mean by the time you run out of energy on the second to last day (now the last day) you'd likely be 200k in and could easily finsih within the timer but also be a huge headstart surely.
When I saw this, I went to my game, picked up 3 stacks of wood from a chest, and started to manually put them out of my inventory. I’m on switch, so I don’t have a quick and easy button to press to automatically take them out of my inventory Might’ve gotten carpal tunnel, but it was worth it for the trophy
Blade, have you ever done a video about the Feast of The Winter Star gift randomization system? Is it true it resets every 10 min? Is it true you can get the tea set eventually if you go in at different times and your gift giver isn’t a kid?
@ OMG!!! There’s nobody better than you to talk about this. I can’t wait! I’m on winter 25 of year one in my most recent farm. I’m just going to start another one while I patiently wait for your video. Take your time! Also, you’re one of my favorite creators and I wasn’t expecting a reply!Thank you! You made my whole day.
what about fiber? get a sword in day 5, so free fiber no energy cost and clean all the farm + the woods then do the trick in the room, you should be capable of do it in less days than wood or worms so less cut scenes, i think its worth the try
@@sylsprens By all means give it a go. I doubt it will be faster than wood. Also, it has to be a single stack. Combining moss and fiber will do nothing to help
Might be something here. I got just shy of a stack (902) fiber on the beach farm sleeping till green rain and scything all day. Could def be optimized (1/ some weeding on day 1 2/ dont get lost on the beach farm like I did lol). couldn't figure out how to drop & pick up items fast but I'll keep futzing with it! :)
i dont think you ended up chopping all the wood on the standard farm and esp since it takes a few days to chop it all down it might be worth it to switch to beach for survival burgers
anybody know a guide to that pattern of clay/winter forage farm that blade was using? looks like it can get much more clay than other patterns ive seen but i cant seem to find a guide for it everywhere, and blade cut out some portions of the farming so i cant follow it fully
I don't think links work here, but do search for winter forage farming on YT? the top viewed results will be helpful :) Tho search separately for clay pattern as it works differently
Seeing all the old stuff that got removed in the 1.6 update (and now the fish pond thing) makes me kind of sad. Don't get me wrong, it's CA's game he can patch and update and remove what he wants. But there we a lot of fun ways to make money that aren't there anymore (or are an easily forgotten option at the bottom of a list a lot of people never look at)
I love how the new farm is used a lot in speedruns, not for its usefulness on raising animals early, but for the money you gain when selling chickens
Lol
best thing about blade videos is when his cats come into his lap and start purring. quality content
runs like these are my absolute favorite, because they require a ton of strategy for seeming so simple haha. great video as always!
daily deltarune news???
Assuming it takes 1 minute to gather 100 wood and an item dropped takes 2/3 of a second to come back into the inventory, we want to optimize the amount of wood it'd require to a more accurate degree than just the number of stacks (e.g. 0.8 stacks vs 1.2 stacks) by using the equation y = (2/3)(1,000,000/(60x)) + x/100, where x is the amount of wood and y is the final time in minutes. This has a local min when x is about 1054, or a stack and 55 wood. Though obviously the "1 minute to gather 100 wood" is a bit broad and not very accurate. In fact, the local min of this function is larger than your final time, but my main point is just that a little more than one stack does seem to be the optimal amount of wood.
If you rewrite this function as f(x,k) = (2/3)(1,000,000/(60x)) + x/k, where k is the amount of wood you can collect on average. Doing this gives us a partial derivative of 1/k - 1,000,000/(9x^2), and finding the local min of f(x,k) in the x-direction shows us that the optimal amount of wood is 1000sqrt(k)/3. Therefore the more wood you can collect on average, the more wood you should collect before dropping all the items against a wall. If you can get up to 150 wood per day, then the optimal amount of wood becomes about 1291, or a stack and 292 wood, so it can become quite significant.
One day i would like to be able to think in math like you
1 million sap my hand hurt after that. But did it for the laughs. Thanks for the videos.
I like how there’s a little cam for the cat:) and the purring into the mic is very soothing✨☺️
Quite a wood chuck right there!
that line at 10:17 literally came from me
it felt like potentially you can save time in the winter forage route, but i was clearly on the bait side during the stream, so i am biased. maybe sub 20 is possible? either way, great video
I'll be trying again on stream
@@BlaDeSDV on wednesday? great, can't wait
@@BlaDeSDVmake it into another video!
@@BlaDeSDV why would you torture yourself like that
Even in a speed run there is time to pet the cat
I'm high and sleep deprived as hell and actually looked forward to putting on something in the background and dozing off, but I guess I need to watch this guy get an achievement that's only available by using a chat command.
You don’t need a chat command to get it, it just shows up in chat
@@zutaca2825i mean they did say they were high lol
Just saw a minor update, he finally fixed the infinite roe exploit, but he still hasn't fixed the price for magnet bait being 1k per bait and only getting 1 magnet bait during fishing festival
My saddest takeaway from this is “stumps no longer produce seeds”?
the cat purring by the mic is the best part ❤
Here is the math behind the graph shown,
You can make an equation for t(the time taken to complete the run) in terms of T1(some constant time), T2(the time taken to get each stack) and x(the number of stacks gotten). (The time taken to pick up each stack is assumed to be 1)
t=T1+10^6/(999x) + T2(x)
dt/dx = -10^6/(999x^2) + T2
The time is minimum when dt/dx = 0,
For dt/dx = 0, T2= 10^6/(999x^2)
This is what is the graph shown in the video, with y=T2. Despite this, I think x as a function of T2 is more useful since it tells you the optimum stack size for each time.
x(T2) = sqrt(10^6/(999T2))
You can confirm this is the same graph in the video as x(60)~4 which is what the chatter who sends the message says.
Wood has the advantage that it is the item you are picking up (as opposed to the bait that you can only pick up after purchase), so it could be not a bad idea to throw the wood you have at a tree, start chopping it (pick up the wood during this) and then repeat, you would already be working towards the goal using the down time of chopping for some extra pick ups, maybe?
This could work on the final day
This guy really speed runs anything
Wow what an awesome graph!!
oh hey we can see your graph from here!
Kitty cat is the most important thing of these runs
I’m happy that this exist!
Routing for this kinda thing seems so interesting, especially when taking the wood route. I wonder how much you can optimize the amount of trees chopped within the timeframe. So neat!
how much chuck could a chuck wood wood if a chuck wood could wood chuck?
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Unrelated question: how do frenzies work in detail? Are they predictable?
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Cabins might help a little with the wood chopping route so you don't have to run back and forth to the house. Surprisingly cool run
I did try that. It is borderline on if it is faster
How do you gain a fishing level exactly?
Get the Willy cutscene at the beach, then he visits you at the farm from Spring 28 if you have yet to get fishing level 1
@@BlaDeSDV Oh wow. I never knew that.
I think a big missing optimization is rather than stacking the day after you get 999+some, you stack during the day you're collecting by throwing the wood out while you chop, like chop -> throw -> chop -> throw -> chop.
this would mean by the time you run out of energy on the second to last day (now the last day) you'd likely be 200k in and could easily finsih within the timer but also be a huge headstart surely.
Could green rain fiber have a chance?
@@mysticashes9023 I'm not sure if it's faster than animation cancelled wood chopping
When I saw this, I went to my game, picked up 3 stacks of wood from a chest, and started to manually put them out of my inventory. I’m on switch, so I don’t have a quick and easy button to press to automatically take them out of my inventory
Might’ve gotten carpal tunnel, but it was worth it for the trophy
Blade, have you ever done a video about the Feast of The Winter Star gift randomization system? Is it true it resets every 10 min? Is it true you can get the tea set eventually if you go in at different times and your gift giver isn’t a kid?
I am writing a short for that actually
@ OMG!!! There’s nobody better than you to talk about this. I can’t wait! I’m on winter 25 of year one in my most recent farm. I’m just going to start another one while I patiently wait for your video. Take your time! Also, you’re one of my favorite creators and I wasn’t expecting a reply!Thank you! You made my whole day.
what about fiber? get a sword in day 5, so free fiber no energy cost and clean all the farm + the woods then do the trick in the room, you should be capable of do it in less days than wood or worms so less cut scenes, i think its worth the try
also does the magnet ring accelerate the rate on wicht you get items? could be usefull in any run to shave a couple seconds
You would use the scythe from day 1. Though there aren't enough weeds to get you the amount of fiber you would need
@@BlaDeSDV sleep till green rain? between moss & fiber cld get close to a stack?
@@sylsprens By all means give it a go. I doubt it will be faster than wood. Also, it has to be a single stack. Combining moss and fiber will do nothing to help
Might be something here. I got just shy of a stack (902) fiber on the beach farm sleeping till green rain and scything all day. Could def be optimized (1/ some weeding on day 1 2/ dont get lost on the beach farm like I did lol).
couldn't figure out how to drop & pick up items fast but I'll keep futzing with it! :)
hell yeah
lol 10 minutes of ACing wood each run sounds painful
Wait does Willy give you a fishing level and a training rod if you don’t level up fast enough?
Ah nvm, food level glitch that’s getting patched mb
strange this achievement is nowhere on the wiki! i tried to look it up but only saw forum posts and this video
Is it true that leaving a cursed mannequin at Pierre's Yoba shrine would convert the mannequin into a normal one?
Waffles and Gravy huh?
I hope this is 25 minutes of plopping.
Would sleeping to summer for fiber farming be viable?
Winterfarm when
i dont think you ended up chopping all the wood on the standard farm and esp since it takes a few days to chop it all down it might be worth it to switch to beach for survival burgers
Chopping wood hardly sleeps, so not a lot of time for supply crates to spawn
Is this possible to do on console?
Not blade getting a WR and calling it a run with potential
Maybe something with hay?
anybody know a guide to that pattern of clay/winter forage farm that blade was using? looks like it can get much more clay than other patterns ive seen but i cant seem to find a guide for it everywhere, and blade cut out some portions of the farming so i cant follow it fully
I don't think links work here, but do search for winter forage farming on YT? the top viewed results will be helpful :)
Tho search separately for clay pattern as it works differently
isnt walking and droping items faster? idk, it feels like items wants to go to you earlier while walking.
I positioned myself so that items would bounce off something and be at my feet
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Flash Warning! For seizure and migraine.
Seeing all the old stuff that got removed in the 1.6 update (and now the fish pond thing) makes me kind of sad. Don't get me wrong, it's CA's game he can patch and update and remove what he wants. But there we a lot of fun ways to make money that aren't there anymore (or are an easily forgotten option at the bottom of a list a lot of people never look at)
first view!