A striker who understands that he has to be prepared for people who want to take him down. Yea obviously you have to cross train, i get that point. But even for those who train both, there is a conceptual divide between striking and grappling and some people clearly prefer one over the other. Look at this guy Israel Adesanya that everyones talking about right now. He has shown decent wrestling defense in some of his fights but no one would argue that he is not primarily a striker. Hes a striker who is (maybe) hard to take down.
my father who was college wrestling champion, said basically the same thing, that the only way a boxer could beat a wrestler is to stay away & strike from out of range.
@Mike Kelly if you're talking street fight if you're close enough to punch me in the face as a wrestler/grappler as soon as you swing I'm geabbing you shirt, arm, whatever i can get a hold of. I might take a hit and you better knock me out cuz if I have one hand locked on you I'm taking you down probably 99% of the time if you have no grapling. Then I'll grab your hair and start smashing your face into the pavement or just put my whole body weight into elbows to the back of your head. Or if I want to be nice I could choke you out I'm seconds or if all I can get is a lock I can break something almost instantly.. and yes I have experience doing this. Any decently trained grappler 100% has the advantage over a striker
Great advice, but two problems: Connor's pride and Khabib's conditioning. Connor was not about to be booed in such a high profile fight, and Khabib was not going to be gassed by a spry McGregor. I think it's one of those fights that are doomed from the start because of both ego and a stylistic disadvantage.
@@sanasaleem3061 Khabibs conditioning is exceptional in comparison to his opponents and people also underestimate his strikes. Khabib doesn’t win strictly because he’s a “good grappler” and people love to capitalize on that a lone, it’s an overall skillset with, yes, exceptional grappling, however remove the rest and he wouldn’t be held up to the same standard.
Lol the other day i took some pre workout pre-turd. I got the tingles for the first time with this particular brand and was insanely uncomfortable during and after haha
@@Ddademon666 I did judo for 7 years, I know I would do much better in a real fight against a grappler than against a striker because striking by default isn't my specialty
In terms of fighting striking is my jam, and my favourite martial art is boxing. But I agree with everything that Jocko said: Pure striker vs pure grappler = grappler has the advantage; striking vs grappling in self defense = grappling has more benefits. The thing is, biomechanically and in terms of physics, striking has much more prequisites in order to be effective than grappling: - You absolutely need to be standing up if you want your strikes to have any meat into them, you also need a balanced posture - Distance: Each tool in your striking arsenal as an "ideal" range, from punches, to kicks, to elbows. If that distance gets messed up, striking becomes much less effective - Point of contact: Each time you deliver a strike you, you've preselected a point of contact to transfer energy to your opponent, wether it's the knuckles, the palm, the elbow, foot or shin. If you can't align that point of contact to your target, and you end up making contact with another part, your strike Will be less effective and you might even hurt yourself. - Proper body biomechanics: Mainly hip rotation , no matter if it's a punch, kick or elbow, a huge portion of the force comes from the hips. Hence anything that immobilizes or restricts your hip rotation, Will impact your striking considerably In comparison, grappling doesn't have as many prequisites: you can grapple standing up or on the ground, you don't need a preselected point of contact to interact with your opponent, and the biomechanics required aren't as restrictive nor are they as easy to mess (if someone restricts your hip movement while grappling it's not as much of a deal as with striking).Not only that but because of these natural benefits, grappling has all the tools to shut down a striker the moment he grabs a hold to him: breaking his posture, taking him to the ground, taking away his points of contact, messing with his distance, and completely altering his biomechanics by restricting his hips and shoulders. What advantage does the striker has against the grappler in comparison? Not much really, he only has a bit more range, but then again the distance is not that hard to cut down by a decent grappler (specially if they have the explosiveness of a wrestler). In Self defense, grappling generally has more advantages against striking (unless you're a strong guaranteed KO machine). If the opponent has a weapon, grappling gives you the chance to control the weapon hand and if luck permits dissarm him, with striking you can try to KO the attacker but then again he's gonna strike you back..... with a knife, needless to say you would have the dissadvantage in this Exchange. Grappling also allows better control of the situation and less controversy if you manage to overcome the attacker; if you shut down your attacker with strikes and KO there's a chance he might die or get severly injured, there's no regulation valve in your strikes you can set to "just KO him but not kill him", you just strike as best and as hard as you can and hope for the best, because if you don't go hard you run the risk of undercommiting and not do any damage. This might not look Good for you in court, where you present yourself untouched while your attacker changes roles to that of victim, and has a nice broken nose and raccoon eyes that "prove" you´re a vicious killer. With grappling however, you do have a regulator valve that allows you to fine tune the amount of agression needed for the situation (trips, takedowns, submission, pins, etc). The only advantage that striking has in self defence is the ability to not overcommit and be able to flee if things are not going your way, if you grapple you're ALL in so you better have assesed the situation before hand, otherwise you might be up for undesired surprisses (like multiple attackers)
I agree if we talkin bout striker vs grappler or boxer vs wrestler, kickboxer vs jiu jitsu guy etc. then Yes the grappler has an advantage but that doesn‘t mean he wins everytime. But in self defense in my opinion grappling is only useful and smart if you‘re fighting 1 v1 and your opponent has no item or weapon to hurt you with. If theres multiple people around don‘t go on the ground cause first of all in a street fight people will jump in and treat your head like a football or they can attack you from behind where you don‘t see it and your unbalanced. Where as if your standing up on your feet your balanced you can move in and out quicker and also and you got a better vision while having better chances against multiple opponents cause you can finish them in 1-2 seconds with punches where as in grappling you need to take em down, control them, bring yourself in position and then your only way of finishing them is either ground and pound or submitting them which takes much longer and can hurt you way more on the street than on the mat. So I think in terms of street fights self defense both are effective but I‘d rather be a good striker with some basic takedown defense and maybe 2-3 submissions than a good grappler with basic to no striking. Fights always start standing and the only reason they end on the ground is cause they don‘t wanna get hurt standing up but if you don‘t know shit about striking an average guy can easily surprise you with a quick punch with decent power and drop you or knock you out which could already be the end of the fight for you. I think its better to know the clinch then fighting on the ground in a street fight cause you can also control someone in the clinch while doing damage. But yes still keep an open mind and train as much as you can in both grappling and striking.
Self defense (not the ring). In this day and age people don’t fight… they will shoot and kill you. Hell they will kill you for the change in your cup holder. So I say become a good gunfighter.. BUT don’t neglect your god given weapons.. good foundation as a striker/grappler is a dangerous person.
@@Sam-tg6ee no I’m not. Between a high level pure striker and a high level pure grappler the grappler will likely win sure. But teach that grappler how to do takedown defence and the striker wins, no question.
The early UFC's in the early 1990's were a wake up call for strikers, especially when Royce Gracie served up portion after portion of Humble Pie to us. I grew up in striking, 25 years of Okinawan karate when the first UFCs were held. We thought that our strikes were magic death rays that would keep a grappler from ever getting their hands on us. Those early matches woke us up and caused alot of soul searching. It took me a while but on the week of my 60th birthday I started BJJ training because the hole in my training bothered me. I continued to train for 3 years until a serious hand injury made me hang it up. Bottom line; to be a complete fighter you have to have both. I don't regret a single day spent in striking, but I wish I had started in BJJ much earlier in my life and transitioned it into my primary martial art. Grapplers often say "most fights end up on the ground." Perhaps, but just about all fights start on your feet. If someone is heart and soul a grappler I think they'd benefit a great deal by spending a year training in Muay Thai, or at least boxing. If someone is heart and soul a striker they should spend 2-3 years in a BJJ school. Then they will have a complete skill set. STAY SAFE OUT THERE AND KEEP IT FRIENDLY
@@Supermomo2007 Not in my experience. The only thing in my karate training (specifically Uechi ryu karate) that was akin to grappling were a few takedowns such as foot/leg sweeps and in one of the dan kumite/ bunkai grabbing a leg to implement a takedown. But other than that we really prefer to stay on our feet and I never learned any matwork in my karate training.
Excellent discussion. I knew Khabib would win 9/10 times against Conor because it’s much harder to keep the distance Conor would need to keep & much easier for Khabib to close the distance at some point. But once or twice out of 10 Conor might catch Khabib good coming in...anyway, love your analysis.
Not really conor didn't do anything to him on the feet. Khabib dropped him, ive yet to see conors superior striking or high level striking. Khabib outstruck raging al as well. Conor didn't showcase anything in the khabib fight
@Tim Hanselbach Khabib is so good of a grappler that it makes his striking way more effective as seen with Conor when he hit him with that bomb. Khabib can let loose everything he has where Conor couldn't cause he had to try to not get taken down. So even though Conor is much better at striking but he was in danger of Khabibs bombs.
@@chaumetlouis19 True, most of the time. People say you dont wanna go to the ground in a street fight, but if you're a good enough wrestler/grappler, you dont really gotta go to the ground much or if at all. You just slam the other guy hard enough to finish the fight and walk away. Best not try to kick my friends or family in the head if hes beating on your homie on the ground, or else after I beat the fuck out of that person, I'd snap some of their joints so they have something to remind them exactly how he fucked up and why his bones will never be 100% anymore. Win or lose, the best thing would be to keep the fight 1 on 1 and dont try to pull any bullshit, cause if people can do that me and a decent amount of my homies will either accept the defeat and in the case we win, we won't do anything more after the other person is done, or gave up and quit. But jump one of us, even mention that you'll use a weapon, do some dirty BS (like ball shots, eye pokes, hair pulling, or shit like that) and now we are trying to hurt those people. I know this will be seen as a keyboard warrior comment and everyone will think I'm saying were all pro fighters who will whoop everyone elses asses, and we got the biggest dicks in town, etc... You can't even post about how you'd whoop some weak fuck from Worldstar Hip Hop who couldn't fight and beat a 10yr old or else people wanna say you're a keyboard warrior and all this BS.
reminds me of adesanya vs brunson when afterwards adesanya talked about just trying to touch him--not over-committing on the strikes and just picking him apart at a range. good stuff.
From a self defense perspective, but on the mat? Before trying to grapple in a real self defense situation keep in mind, grappling works well only if you stay within your own weight class or below. There are videos of really big guys being beaten by much smaller guys. This is a noteworthy feat but it only happens that way because they're in the ring or on the mat, with rules, and there's no real sense of urgency. Combat sport's is not self defense. A violent situation in real life doesn't last long, there's no rounds, and striking is far more real than people are wanting to admit. Once somebody begins to hockey punch you it's extremely difficult to get your senses enough to defend yourself. Punches can come in hard and fast, and don't need to be pretty to be effective. If you're close enough to take somebody down, you're close enough for a striker to light you up. There's value in both grappling and striking, neither should take precedence over the other, and neither should be dismissed as ineffective
@@pauljohnson1032 quite a compelling arguement you have there. Unfortunately, it's the simplest of physics. It's a fact, size matters. I do appreciate your opinion though. Thanks and good luck with that
@@donking5838 you're clearly reacting out of emotion instead of logic or a genuine interest. First, 2 to 3 times heavier? Are you sure about that, that's pretty heavy. Sounds like an exaggeration. Second, rules, a controlled environment, and no sense of urgency, to say the least. I hope that is helpful, and perhaps you might consider what I said instead of what your ego tells you I said. Pay close attention to the word usage. Thanks
Gut Stomp reacting out of emotion? Sounds to me like you’re the one reacting out of emotion from someone challenging your opinion, yes Royce fought people over twice his weight, he weighed around 175lbs and fought opponents who weighed up to 600lbs. If you look at the early UFC days, there were no rules! So you can’t use the rules argument here. You said grappling ONLY works against people your own size or smaller, so I gave you an example of it working against someone much larger. Please educate yourself on this stuff before you start commenting your opinion and then getting angry at people for challenging it. Thanks.
The multiple opponents argument for people calling grappling bad is terrible . Striking wouldn’t be able to defeat 3-5 opponents either . It could only be used to hold enemies off to be able to run away . Furthermore if you get taken down by them you will still need grappling to either get out of the situation , or last as long as possible or help yourself not get as hurt as possible
Boxing can. There are several videos on RUclips showing boxers successfully defending themselves against multiple attackers. Of course in order to do this they need two things: room to maneuver and for the attackers to be unskilled. Grappling is king one-on-one or in close quarters or against a trained fighter but what I'm worried about is a group of punks accosting me on the street and deciding to tune me up for no reason. The only thing better than boxing in that situation would be a handgun but in my country we're not allowed to carry firearms and I consider the risk of being caught with one greater than the risk of getting beaten up by a gang of street thugs.
I’ve seen a video of a wrestler taking down and beating 2 people in a fight aswell. But in my opinion the best thing against my opinion the best way to fight against multiple opponents is to just try to get out of the situation as much as you could .
wtf LOL hold up. Yes, striking will help u hold off multiple attackers for you to escape. That's the point lol. But put a grappler in that situation. How the hell would he try to survive in that scenario? Lol once he's down, he's getting stomped out or killed.
Very accurate and on point. It also points out that one can’t do much is Maurice Smith did as a non-grappler and just learn strategies to not be taken down. Once that is accomplished one can add additional grappling skills. However, first and foremost us to stay on the feet as the old saying goes two Beats one on the ground so the ability to defend on foot is paramount.
The problem with using the “wear them down and exhaust” strategy is it doesn’t work when your opponent has a bigger gas tank, Connor is known for gassing out and Khabib doesn’t. It’s also very easy to say “stay away” but with someone like Khabib if you don’t catch him with a good strike he’s taking your ass to the ground.
The "Conor Gasses out" theory isn't correct. People say that because of his first fight with Diaz when he tried to finish him early and didn't fight well. Conor Diaz 2 he paced himself and came out on top. Also for the Mayweather fight, when Conor went 10 rounds his first ever professional boxing match with supposedly the best boxer ever. Boxers usually build up experience with a few years of 5 round fights and gradually fight harder and bigger fights. The "Conor gasses out" myth is uneducated. Don't be an ignoramus.
Imagine, you're in a dark room, there's one light bulb shining over top of you. You're in a chair and there is a 200lb+ ex Navy Seal holding you at knife point as he discusses the topic of strikers vs grapplers.
A big reason grapplers will win more often is because they not only control the ground completely, but they control part of the stand up being the clinch and take downs while the striker only controls a portion of the stand up. Grappling gives you more tools and if you're not trained in it, you're going to be easy meat.
I train Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. Forget the punches. Kicks to the knees are the most effective in street fights in my experience. I'd just faint punches to distract and go for the lower legs. Usually is done before it even starts and you don't even hurt your hands.
for self defence i would say striking is superior, particularly against multiple opponents (which is more often the case). i have seen good strikers knock out several people in the space of 5 seconds both in person and on the internet. how would a pure grappler be able to deal with 3/4/5 ppl at one time?
Very good point but one on one , grappling is a better option, and to be able to knock out 3,4, maybe even 5 people in the span of seconds the striker would need to be high high class almost professional at least champion ammeture and the people surrounding would probably have next to no actual fight training. That’s how it usually goes. So striking really is only “better” in that scenario but the main point is that both are extremely useful and you should learn both. If your focused too much on one being “better” you’ll just be an incomplete fighter
@@stevesteve7354 I agree. Plus you will need to know grappling in these situations aswell because if the multiple opponents grab you and take you to the ground, you will need to know grappling to get out of the situation or at least make it not as painful as it would have been
Ngannou demolished Curtis Blaydes twice. Max Holloway demolished Brian Ortega. Conor McGregor KOd Chad Mendes. Israel Adesanya KOd Derek Brunson. I don’t believe that it’s safe to say that the grappler is basically guaranteed to beat the striker, the UFC is full of examples of the contrary.
i am 5'10 and around 145 pounds. and, i am more a striker than a grappler. because, well i need to be.. when it comes down to facing off against someone who is far larger, stronger and with a longer reach.. trying to grapple with them is a very difficult and foolish thing to do. you just gotta be far more technical and fast to win that way. however, if you know how to strike with all your body and which points on the body are vulnerable. you level the playing field. all it takes is one precise strike with enough force to disable or kill somebody. a lot of people want to say which martial art is superior to another. but usually they are talking about arena and game circumstances. where there are rules.. but when it comes to just raw survival on the battlefield, you do anything it takes to come out on top. you better watch out for someone who knows how to hurt somebody. sure there is any number of ways to absolutely torture someone into submission with grappling. but they are based on one versus one, with 5 point moves and all that.. very technical stuff. but if someone catches you in the eye or the neck or the gut in a certain way, and you don't deflect or absorb it right, you will be very vulnerable. you will be unable to grapple.. .thats why i have made it a point to understand which points on the human body are most vulnerable and as many ways as possible of striking them. sure i took some wrestling as a kid, and i have utilized that in real fights and it helped me.. as far as sprawling out, getting on top and being in a position to just smash someone. but it was the martial arts that taught me how to strike that i think equipped me most. but, i am the type of person that only strikes if you strike me first.. but that might be a weakness. you gotta be able to read someones body language and react very quickly and precisely as to counter them. block and deflect their attack while immediately striking back and using their force against them. that way you arent in the wrong, and they are down and out.. ideally in one hit. and you better believe i am prepared in all ways to shove my fingers into someones eye sockets. i will grab your wind pipe and squeeze it.. i will strike your juggler, i will smash your diaphragm. i am not looking to win a belt in a competition, i am looking to survive and protect others from harm. and i will punch you right in your teeth. i can throw a straight punch high enough into your jaw even if you are a foot taller than me. i will hit you in the temple.if i get you dropped down low enough i will kick you in your head. i might even pull out a small straight blade from my ankle or waist and poke or slash you somewhere you really wouldn't like. but thats if someone tries to surprise me and put me in a head lock or something. how dangerous a man is, is not solely based upon his size and strength. its not what you got but what you do with it. and if anything, go ahead and underestimate me. because i will exploit it, and dive through window and end the situation before you can do anything about it.
This is a question that was answered long time ago. A pure striker does not train to have take down defense as a striking fight consist in hiting and not being hit by the oponent. Everytime someone is knocked down in a striking competition like muay thai, boxing or kick boxing the fight stops until both are on their feet again. A grappler can take down anyone with no take down defense ridiculously easy, and a striker is someone not prepared for defending take downs and vulnerable on the ground. I am not talking about a striker with a strong wrestling background or a boxer who also is experienced at jiu jitsu. I am talking about a pure striker compared to a pure grappler.
The beautiful thing about martial arts now is that amount of grapplers and strikers that practice both have increased so much. Even most gyms now offer BJJ, and striking without having to pay for each separate. Martial artists are much more well rounded now that they’ve ever been in the past. I’ve seen boxers come into judo classes, wrestlers come into their first Muay Thai classes, Judo guys coming into Muay Thai, Bjj guys coming into Muay Thai etc. Hell there was a Kyokushin karate guy who came into judo. It’s beautiful seeing everyone come together, teach, learn, and harmonize.
Nice advice for the MMA sport.. on the street most altercations are over within 5-10 seconds. See how well grappling works when working on a door and you have multiple offenders for example. You’re going to choke them all out on the ground. Grappling has its place and time. It’s not the miracle these two would have you believe.
there's no such thing as winning against "multiple offenders" unless you're making up some stupid, over the top exception. like fighting babies or something. 3 average dudes would beat up connor
Those people that jabbed and kept the distance to not get taken down DID play the MMA game. MMA means you have all tools from striking, wrestling to grappling available and are allowed to use them, NOT that you HAVE to use them.
Makes sense ,but in order for everything to work on the game plan Connor needed to be trained and prepared for that fight differently in order to perform that strategy.Connor dosent seem to be a fighter who listens to tactical strategy.
Since how much distance Khabib cover with the first shot to get to Conors legs that far away and the pace he has to put guys in the fence, "jabing from the outside until he gets tired" is much more complicated than with Dean, even he is a killer grappler and very good wrestler.Strategy is far easier to designe and discuss than to apply.
Even if a striker has bad grappling defense they can still win with a well placed knee or fast enought straight punches even if they only know how 2 sprawl they can do good against a grappler especially 1 who has a trash gaurd
I really hope people understand that the ground game is far more important than your standing game especially if you're not a professional fighter why because 90% if not more of street fights usually ALWAYS END UP ON THE GROUND especially if there's alcohol involved. Knowing how to handle yourself on the ground is very important especially if you know that's where the fights headed.... Even most of your professional UFC fights end up on the ground the only time that you want is if the rules dictate that they can't and this is why I will argue that a boxer not always but most of the time is going to get his ass handed to him now this is a boxer keep in mind a person who is used to fighting solely with their fists they're not allowed to kick they're not allowed to grapple they're not allowed to even get on the ground for more than 10 seconds putting that type of a fighter in a match with somebody who is just as skilled but with wrestling ITS NO CONTEST PERIOD!!! In very very rare circumstances will a boxer/striker come out on top and that's usually because the grappler is shitty not because the boxer/striker was better! I have a buddy who learned this the hard way and he was an enforcer for his hockey team so he was use to just standing there punching it out with someone and if you've ever seen enforcers go at it you know they're swinging for the fences! He stepped in to grab him up by the front of his shirt and just keep Bam Bam Bam with his fist that was the biggest mistake he made the second he got close enough the other dude who he didn't know was a grappler grabbed him slammed him did some crazy ass ankle/knee lock and broke his leg in two places TRUE STORY!!! He now has a metal plate and two screws in his ankle needless to say no more hockey and that's what a real grappler can do to you and your career this is why I believe Ali had certain rules and stipulations against Antonio Inoki being able to wrestle him
The thing about mma addicts, particularly grapplers, specifically bjj, is they don't tend to understand real violence. Grappling is great and should be practiced, but in actual violence striking and shutting down the computer should be the goal always.
That unintentionnal joke was so funny hhhhh Connor..tiring Khabib hhh that's the extreme opposite he is so cluless & even with 3 extra rounds still I don't think so lol
If I could only pick one: I'd rather keep striking. Grappling is great in the octagon, but if you get starched in a bar fight, it won't help. If the person has a buddy with him and you take him to the ground, you're getting your brains kicked into early Parkinson's.
@@markmartin5364 punches are quicker to execute. A double leg(even a quick one) takes longer than a punch. Plus the other guy's buddy will have more than enough time to react and kick you in the head. Not saying grappling is useless, it just depends one the situation, environment and the number of opponents.
@@hamzab4433 you think that because u never felt the intensity of a good wrestler and punches are quixker to excute? And? Your point? Theres a reason wrestljng works so well in mma and against someone who knows zero wrestling u can try to punch them but if thays your plan ill be at your funeral cause your gonna get youe head bounced of the cemit its not like a double leg take a minute to do its very fast is pure grappling gonna work 100% the time? No but neithwe will striking thats why u shoukd train both but if were talming about steet against a untrained person ill pick the trained grappler or strikwe 100% the time
Both are ok by themselves cause you will lose if they get you on the ground as a striker with a grappler. While grappling is good for 1 on 1 and doesn't really cover hitting nor if it is an unfair fight.
Some solid advice. Here’s the issue: Conor has a history of gassing out in 3-5 rounds. Firaz Zahabi (GSPs coach) said on JRE that Conor has fast twitch fibres, allowing him to generate knockout power. But that comes at a cost, and the cost is that he can’t do that in later rounds. Conor probably knows that, he knows that the chances of him putting the guy out lower the longer the fight gets. Almost all his wins are by stoppage in the 1st - 2nd rounds.
Jocko, I know u r well versed in combat. But a grappler won't get tired from what you're saying. Fighters get tired when they r not fighting in the pace they want to.
Since UFC 31, there have been a total of 546 fights inside the octagon. Of these, 225 have ended by knockout, 138 by submission, 141 by unanimous decision, 31 by split decision, three by majority decision, and three by disqualification. There have also been three draws and two no-contests. (Interestingly, the knockout to submission ratio translates similarly into street altercations) On average, the top 5 “greatest” UFC fighters won more fights due to knockouts in comparison to submission. In the UFC, the two primary practiced martial arts that account for most title bearing fighters are Wrestling and BJJ. With that being said, a knockout is still the simplest and most effective way to win on average, even with expertise in grappling. Stats also demonstrate that it takes shorter time to knock someone out on average. These rules apply and adhere in a street altercation as well. These are not necessarily strictly black and white statements, You’re only your best if you capitalize on your strengths, however, these are the numbers.
the numbers dont lie, you are right. but you have to look at the situations how knockouts occur: for example ground and pound knockouts are often won by having a more dominant ground game to get into the top position and instead of submitting just punching them. or to wear them out on the ground so they have a slower footwork and running into a knockout punch. my point is that often knockouts themselves are a result of being a better ground fighter
@@aulendilthegreat873 Very interesting observation. Considering most biologists/ scientists declare it requires 5 PSI around the jaw area to knock somebody out, it seems the probability to ensuring a downed opponent in a street altercation, or perhaps the ring, whereby you are squaring up against that opponent;represented by no unique handicap that would thereby limit your capabilities of extending your own upper limbs multiple times in a frame of half a minute or exceeding, you eliminating your opponent by “throwing a few swings” are heightened and more likely regardless if you are experienced or inexperienced. Just because 5 pounds of pressure “on average” (we must remember), is a shorter distance to the victory, if presented with a systematic alternative, via, a “a takedown” first. So it would seem at least. Going through the systematic procedure to first ensure the opponent ends on the ground which would require a plethora of obstacles to be taken into consideration and possible mishaps, the fact that the “journey is further” grants more time for the possibility of a hiccup to occur, or so it would seem. That being said, we observe that, seemingly, it is always necessary to make the proper time and place decisions, whereby, in certain cases, it does not necessarily require you to simply capitalize on a “knockout only”, sometimes not allowing you at all of course… But, all we can do is argue “most cases” in simplified terminology, more so in the street, we can see that these numbers are echoed, and it would appear more KOs take place standing according to most street fighting practitioners. I think in an altercation, I would venture to make my own judgements based on my own unique skillset, and weigh the odds, but capitalize on the probability and the outlet that grants me the least amount of resistance, in my head I can see that as an attempt to knockout the other opponent right away, but great point indeed, these things are NOT always 2 Dimensional, we always need more information, there’s so many factors maybe that we’re missing to rectify this statement.
How many knockouts followed a submission attempt? A portion of the 225 were capable of getting a knock out because of there defensive grappling skills. Also, ground and pounds. Why do boxers hug each other? If you don't use grappling, that's a safe place for your opponent! LOL! What a terrible weakness to have! What a terrible oversight for someone who thinks they can fight! Striking is more intuitive than grappling. If you can only train one, grappling will make a bigger difference. MOST OF THE TIME.
A good striker should use a lead leg like a lead jab and be set on side kicks and lead leg defensive rear kicks. Rear legs though powerful are slow. Ex a roundhouse kick is slow and easy to jam or catch. Strikers should have in there minds set defenses against takedowns or stay on outside of opponent. One way to see if a grappler is going to take you down is his weight is on his front foot. Grapplers need to get close. When strikers kick there weight transitions to their back foot. When they punch weight is on front foot. Need to learn to read opponents weight transitions
depends upon the stamina if you can keep it up. and also nothing wrong with grappling a good defence and offence,just like making my opponents sick lol
@@MuchBetterThanTheLaw He's taken heavyweight wrestlers down... goodbones from Russia. All I am saying is a 2 X world combo champ would use his master class Judo (real Judo, not ymca shit) to set up all kinds of leg sweeps and trips and Jocko would go down, easier than Jocko realizes. Go look up somevof the heavyweights Khabib has wrestled, look at what happens to them and hear what these HW grapplers say and how dumbfounded they are after grappling with Khabib.
@@MuchBetterThanTheLaw Here is another 210 pounder... granted Jocko is 260ish I imagine, not sure but take a look ruclips.net/video/SYXDxfWZjGE/видео.html
@@gcoffey223 Jocko had a competitive match against Jeff Monson who was the best grappler in the world at that time. Jocko is too big for Khabib. DC toyed with Khabib like he was a child, laughing and cracking jokes during it.
thank you! The guy's been consistently making an ass out of himself. YOU DON"T INSULT MY FAMILY. Wtf kind of attitude is that? The same bullshit that has terrorists blowing themselves up and middle eastern politicians sentencing people to life in prison.
@@ragnarlodbrok1233 so you're one of those nutjob fanatics that thinks it proportionate to want to kill people who talk bad about your family or religion too? Tell ya what, maybe you could start with yourself?
@@cwr8618 Yeah well there's a line an Conor crossed it. Khabib lost his temper cause Conor was being a piece of shit to him and shit talking his family. Also Dillon Danis was beckoning Khabib on to fight him, so he kinda had it coming. Also, I agree that it was wrong of Khabib, but then again losing ones temper after being shit talked on a huge scale is normal
"from the self defense perspective" we like to conveniently forget that in adult life self defense is not 1x1. Ego fights are 1x1, and hopefully you don't get into ego fights any more.
Wreslters are the kryptonite for jiu jitsu based fighters. Tryon Woodley vs Damien Maia is a great example. NCAA Division 1 wrestler defeated a grappling legend.
@@jamiecarmichael914 My point is its incredibly difficult to take down any decent wrestler. Damien Maia is a jiu jitsu legend, arguably one of the best of his time yet he couldnt take down tyron. In a real fight someone who knows a little jiu jitsu wont be able to beat a guy with a background in collegiate wrestling.
Wrestlers are the kryptonite for all who are not wrestlers. The only way to beat a good wrestler with good striking is to be a better wrestler with better striking.
wrong thats compared to an average guy when one guy is much better at grappling and the other much better at striking it is essentially striker vs grappler
@@joesmith5159it used to be that every striker was completely caught off guard by grapplers because it wasn't part of their art. It's not as clear cut anymore because they've adapted
the fact that you always lead with striking before grappling in any arena or real life scenario is proof enough of what is superior. you gotta be ready to strike or take or deflect one before you can hope to muscle someone with elaborate moves. it is always smarter to dominate the situation and control it from the start and at afar while minimizing risks. like i already stated in my other comment, one solid strike at the right point is measurably the quickest and most efficient way of winning a fight as compared to technical, multi-pointed grappling moves while rolling around on the ground.... which leaves you completely vulnerable if the situation is more than one versus one.... that require you to close the gap regarding striking distance. and if anyone tries to just charge in and spear tackle someone who is ready to strike, if they dont end up having their own energy used against them and having their neck snapped, they will lose every time. keep in mind that real life is not based on rules like in martial arts competitions. it really is more like the wild west. its about who is faster, not stronger. its about where you strike and how.. not how physically strong you are. you want to talk about men being dangerous? constrictors cannot hold a candlelight up to venom.
We've seen these trends. The grapplers dominated when there was no defense. Strikers dominated when they learned the defense. Grapplers dominated again when they started to overcome the defense. Shift now again towards strikers who stuff the takedown
@@everythingsfine1395 no it’s not. If you grab me I can bite your ear off and kick you in the balls. Try to do te same with a guy jabbing and uppercutting you
Jocko, you had a knife in your hand the whole time. Does that not (more or less) defeat the wrestling argument? Unless your assessment is totally about MMA sport and not self defense? Just some questions, love hearing your wisdom. Rock Steady!
Tony Ferguson is the type of guy to tell Jocko Willink to get disciplined
Lol
Gold!
nah tony ferguson is the kind of guy Jocko eats for breakfast at 4.30 am, he's fruit and nuts
Brother I'm talking
@@dantheman9079
Tony is the type of guy who would let Jocko eat him just to wear his sun glasses at 4:30 am.
Jocko putting his point across by holding this guy at knife point
☠☠☠
Look like an envelope seal opener to me 🤩
A good striker who is hard to takedown is pretty dangerous.
Haragei Lucid Yep. Max vs Brian
Yea exactly, and imagine that same dynamic from a bigger guy who can KO with either hand.
True , but at that point, hes a striker and a grappler(takedown defence is still grappling)
So basically a guy who can strike and wrestle lol
A striker who understands that he has to be prepared for people who want to take him down. Yea obviously you have to cross train, i get that point. But even for those who train both, there is a conceptual divide between striking and grappling and some people clearly prefer one over the other. Look at this guy Israel Adesanya that everyones talking about right now. He has shown decent wrestling defense in some of his fights but no one would argue that he is not primarily a striker. Hes a striker who is (maybe) hard to take down.
Jocko was commentating with the knife the entire time lmao
That's how real men do it son.
the only thing I was paying attention to
Even though we're separated by a computer screen I still started slowly sweating in fear when I saw the knife.
lmfaoooooooooo!!!!
It really adds to the mystique
my father who was college wrestling champion, said basically the same thing, that the only way a boxer could beat a wrestler is to stay away & strike from out of range.
Is your dad named David?
a wrestler is obviously gonna be biased towards wrestling... it's like saying the only way a wrestler would beat a boxer is just taking him down
What happens when a wrestler gets punched in the face??
@Mike Kelly if you're talking street fight if you're close enough to punch me in the face as a wrestler/grappler as soon as you swing I'm geabbing you shirt, arm, whatever i can get a hold of. I might take a hit and you better knock me out cuz if I have one hand locked on you I'm taking you down probably 99% of the time if you have no grapling. Then I'll grab your hair and start smashing your face into the pavement or just put my whole body weight into elbows to the back of your head. Or if I want to be nice I could choke you out I'm seconds or if all I can get is a lock I can break something almost instantly.. and yes I have experience doing this. Any decently trained grappler 100% has the advantage over a striker
@goonchii5101 idk man thats pretty valid. Its also much easier than the vice versa win condition.
Great advice, but two problems: Connor's pride and Khabib's conditioning. Connor was not about to be booed in such a high profile fight, and Khabib was not going to be gassed by a spry McGregor. I think it's one of those fights that are doomed from the start because of both ego and a stylistic disadvantage.
Khabib s conditioning isn’t brilliant tho just watch the Iaquinta fight
@@dantdt4693 hahah khabib trains in ramadan what are you talking about what laquinta fight? what happen?
@@sanasaleem3061 Khabibs conditioning is exceptional in comparison to his opponents and people also underestimate his strikes. Khabib doesn’t win strictly because he’s a “good grappler” and people love to capitalize on that a lone, it’s an overall skillset with, yes, exceptional grappling, however remove the rest and he wouldn’t be held up to the same standard.
@@zealandsword9557what standard
Khabib beat nobodies
I strike the toilet hard in the morning when my stomach grapples with pre workout
Every time. That 10-15 minute wait on the instructions? Not optional. ^_^
Lol the other day i took some pre workout pre-turd. I got the tingles for the first time with this particular brand and was insanely uncomfortable during and after haha
This is fucking genius. Hahahaha.
Preworkout and deadlifts are the best laxatives
Nothing quite like grappling with the farts while bracing for a heavy squat.
Switch blade conversations with Jocko in the dark... intimidation level 100
*jocko is subliminally telling mcnugget that he shouldve used a knife lol*
Ash Ketchup Maybe. But Max destroyed a ground fighter life like Brian
@@MrWeareone777 Brian Ortega's Bjj is far better than Max's Bjj but his takedowns are not good enough.
@@edwuncleriii3798 bjj won't help that much if your wrestling and clinch game isn't good.
METalGod66 he never tried to really take him down his hand was broken going into the fight
Conor cheated the whole match and yet lost.......his ground game is none, nothing he can do if he can't land that left strike, it's all he got.
"How many rounds have you sparred"
"Countless"
*spitefully "okay yeah me too..."
I think everyone would agree you need to be proficient at both. Yes that takes a lot of work but martial arts is a journey! Keep learning!
I choose grappling over striking
@@Ddademon666 I did judo for 7 years, I know I would do much better in a real fight against a grappler than against a striker because striking by default isn't my specialty
In terms of fighting striking is my jam, and my favourite martial art is boxing. But I agree with everything that Jocko said: Pure striker vs pure grappler = grappler has the advantage; striking vs grappling in self defense = grappling has more benefits. The thing is, biomechanically and in terms of physics, striking has much more prequisites in order to be effective than grappling:
- You absolutely need to be standing up if you want your strikes to have any meat into them, you also need a balanced posture
- Distance: Each tool in your striking arsenal as an "ideal" range, from punches, to kicks, to elbows. If that distance gets messed up, striking becomes much less effective
- Point of contact: Each time you deliver a strike you, you've preselected a point of contact to transfer energy to your opponent, wether it's the knuckles, the palm, the elbow, foot or shin. If you can't align that point of contact to your target, and you end up making contact with another part, your strike Will be less effective and you might even hurt yourself.
- Proper body biomechanics: Mainly hip rotation , no matter if it's a punch, kick or elbow, a huge portion of the force comes from the hips. Hence anything that immobilizes or restricts your hip rotation, Will impact your striking considerably
In comparison, grappling doesn't have as many prequisites: you can grapple standing up or on the ground, you don't need a preselected point of contact to interact with your opponent, and the biomechanics required aren't as restrictive nor are they as easy to mess (if someone restricts your hip movement while grappling it's not as much of a deal as with striking).Not only that but because of these natural benefits, grappling has all the tools to shut down a striker the moment he grabs a hold to him: breaking his posture, taking him to the ground, taking away his points of contact, messing with his distance, and completely altering his biomechanics by restricting his hips and shoulders. What advantage does the striker has against the grappler in comparison? Not much really, he only has a bit more range, but then again the distance is not that hard to cut down by a decent grappler (specially if they have the explosiveness of a wrestler).
In Self defense, grappling generally has more advantages against striking (unless you're a strong guaranteed KO machine). If the opponent has a weapon, grappling gives you the chance to control the weapon hand and if luck permits dissarm him, with striking you can try to KO the attacker but then again he's gonna strike you back..... with a knife, needless to say you would have the dissadvantage in this Exchange. Grappling also allows better control of the situation and less controversy if you manage to overcome the attacker; if you shut down your attacker with strikes and KO there's a chance he might die or get severly injured, there's no regulation valve in your strikes you can set to "just KO him but not kill him", you just strike as best and as hard as you can and hope for the best, because if you don't go hard you run the risk of undercommiting and not do any damage. This might not look Good for you in court, where you present yourself untouched while your attacker changes roles to that of victim, and has a nice broken nose and raccoon eyes that "prove" you´re a vicious killer. With grappling however, you do have a regulator valve that allows you to fine tune the amount of agression needed for the situation (trips, takedowns, submission, pins, etc). The only advantage that striking has in self defence is the ability to not overcommit and be able to flee if things are not going your way, if you grapple you're ALL in so you better have assesed the situation before hand, otherwise you might be up for undesired surprisses (like multiple attackers)
This was really well written and it was a good read.
@@bhayes3327 Thanks man
Thanks. Still deciding between the two and i think you just clarify my mind. Going to jiu-jitsu
I agree if we talkin bout striker vs grappler or boxer vs wrestler, kickboxer vs jiu jitsu guy etc. then Yes the grappler has an advantage but that doesn‘t mean he wins everytime. But in self defense in my opinion grappling is only useful and smart if you‘re fighting 1 v1 and your opponent has no item or weapon to hurt you with. If theres multiple people around don‘t go on the ground cause first of all in a street fight people will jump in and treat your head like a football or they can attack you from behind where you don‘t see it and your unbalanced. Where as if your standing up on your feet your balanced you can move in and out quicker and also and you got a better vision while having better chances against multiple opponents cause you can finish them in 1-2 seconds with punches where as in grappling you need to take em down, control them, bring yourself in position and then your only way of finishing them is either ground and pound or submitting them which takes much longer and can hurt you way more on the street than on the mat. So I think in terms of street fights self defense both are effective but I‘d rather be a good striker with some basic takedown defense and maybe 2-3 submissions than a good grappler with basic to no striking. Fights always start standing and the only reason they end on the ground is cause they don‘t wanna get hurt standing up but if you don‘t know shit about striking an average guy can easily surprise you with a quick punch with decent power and drop you or knock you out which could already be the end of the fight for you. I think its better to know the clinch then fighting on the ground in a street fight cause you can also control someone in the clinch while doing damage. But yes still keep an open mind and train as much as you can in both grappling and striking.
Self defense (not the ring). In this day and age people don’t fight… they will shoot and kill you. Hell they will kill you for the change in your cup holder. So I say become a good gunfighter.. BUT don’t neglect your god given weapons.. good foundation as a striker/grappler is a dangerous person.
"If you're going to hit somebody, you have to be close enough for them to take you down; You've got to be in that 'red zone.'" - Perfectly said
If you’re going to be close enough to take somebody down you’re close enough to get hit.
@@tjsho417
It's not the same of you get hit , theres a huge chance to keep fighting , if you get a take down , then rip
@@everythingsfine1395 if you get taken down you pull guard. Or sprawl so you don’t get taken down.
@@tjsho417 you’re missing the point
@@Sam-tg6ee no I’m not. Between a high level pure striker and a high level pure grappler the grappler will likely win sure. But teach that grappler how to do takedown defence and the striker wins, no question.
The early UFC's in the early 1990's were a wake up call for strikers, especially when Royce Gracie served up portion after portion of Humble Pie to us. I grew up in striking, 25 years of Okinawan karate when the first UFCs were held. We thought that our strikes were magic death rays that would keep a grappler from ever getting their hands on us. Those early matches woke us up and caused alot of soul searching. It took me a while but on the week of my 60th birthday I started BJJ training because the hole in my training bothered me. I continued to train for 3 years until a serious hand injury made me hang it up.
Bottom line; to be a complete fighter you have to have both. I don't regret a single day spent in striking, but I wish I had started in BJJ much earlier in my life and transitioned it into my primary martial art. Grapplers often say "most fights end up on the ground." Perhaps, but just about all fights start on your feet.
If someone is heart and soul a grappler I think they'd benefit a great deal by spending a year training in Muay Thai, or at least boxing. If someone is heart and soul a striker they should spend 2-3 years in a BJJ school. Then they will have a complete skill set.
STAY SAFE OUT THERE AND KEEP IT FRIENDLY
I’m 34 and just started bjj... reading this has really inspired me!
@@Nabil-gj2qq Thanks Nabil. You have a wonderful journey ahead. Just stay with it, even when you hit the plateaus.
Early ufc was rigged though. But, I do think both are very important.
strange. i thought okinawa karate has grappling
@@Supermomo2007 Not in my experience. The only thing in my karate training (specifically Uechi ryu karate) that was akin to grappling were a few takedowns such as foot/leg sweeps and in one of the dan kumite/ bunkai grabbing a leg to implement a takedown. But other than that we really prefer to stay on our feet and I never learned any matwork in my karate training.
Excellent discussion. I knew Khabib would win 9/10 times against Conor because it’s much harder to keep the distance Conor would need to keep & much easier for Khabib to close the distance at some point. But once or twice out of 10 Conor might catch Khabib good coming in...anyway, love your analysis.
Not really conor didn't do anything to him on the feet. Khabib dropped him, ive yet to see conors superior striking or high level striking. Khabib outstruck raging al as well. Conor didn't showcase anything in the khabib fight
GSP is a perfect example.
I think its better to be average in both than great in one. Too many folks either do grappling only or striking only which is fine but I prefer both.
@Tim Hanselbach Khabib is so good of a grappler that it makes his striking way more effective as seen with Conor when he hit him with that bomb. Khabib can let loose everything he has where Conor couldn't cause he had to try to not get taken down. So even though Conor is much better at striking but he was in danger of Khabibs bombs.
I'd rather be a great wrestler. A striker can't fight and avoid wrestling, while a wrestler can avoid a striker by wrestling.
@@chaumetlouis19 True, most of the time. People say you dont wanna go to the ground in a street fight, but if you're a good enough wrestler/grappler, you dont really gotta go to the ground much or if at all. You just slam the other guy hard enough to finish the fight and walk away. Best not try to kick my friends or family in the head if hes beating on your homie on the ground, or else after I beat the fuck out of that person, I'd snap some of their joints so they have something to remind them exactly how he fucked up and why his bones will never be 100% anymore. Win or lose, the best thing would be to keep the fight 1 on 1 and dont try to pull any bullshit, cause if people can do that me and a decent amount of my homies will either accept the defeat and in the case we win, we won't do anything more after the other person is done, or gave up and quit. But jump one of us, even mention that you'll use a weapon, do some dirty BS (like ball shots, eye pokes, hair pulling, or shit like that) and now we are trying to hurt those people. I know this will be seen as a keyboard warrior comment and everyone will think I'm saying were all pro fighters who will whoop everyone elses asses, and we got the biggest dicks in town, etc... You can't even post about how you'd whoop some weak fuck from Worldstar Hip Hop who couldn't fight and beat a 10yr old or else people wanna say you're a keyboard warrior and all this BS.
@@chaumetlouis19 Wrestler can't handle multiple opponents
Fedor vs Jeff Monson is a good example of this. Fedor stuffed every takedown and annihilated Monson with accurate strikes and movement.
jocko holding charles hostage with that knife XD
reminds me of adesanya vs brunson when afterwards adesanya talked about just trying to touch him--not over-committing on the strikes and just picking him apart at a range. good stuff.
Everyone has the plan till they get taken down by Khabib
That would be my plan... I would plan to get taken down, rag dolled, beaten up from bell to bell. Good to have a plan
From a self defense perspective, but on the mat? Before trying to grapple in a real self defense situation keep in mind, grappling works well only if you stay within your own weight class or below. There are videos of really big guys being beaten by much smaller guys. This is a noteworthy feat but it only happens that way because they're in the ring or on the mat, with rules, and there's no real sense of urgency. Combat sport's is not self defense. A violent situation in real life doesn't last long, there's no rounds, and striking is far more real than people are wanting to admit. Once somebody begins to hockey punch you it's extremely difficult to get your senses enough to defend yourself. Punches can come in hard and fast, and don't need to be pretty to be effective. If you're close enough to take somebody down, you're close enough for a striker to light you up. There's value in both grappling and striking, neither should take precedence over the other, and neither should be dismissed as ineffective
Gut Stomp you are totally wrong grappling works either people that are bigger than you
@@pauljohnson1032 quite a compelling arguement you have there. Unfortunately, it's the simplest of physics. It's a fact, size matters. I do appreciate your opinion though. Thanks and good luck with that
Explain Royce Gracie beating guys 2-3 times heavier than him then if grappling ONLY works well against people your own size or smaller?
@@donking5838 you're clearly reacting out of emotion instead of logic or a genuine interest. First, 2 to 3 times heavier? Are you sure about that, that's pretty heavy. Sounds like an exaggeration. Second, rules, a controlled environment, and no sense of urgency, to say the least. I hope that is helpful, and perhaps you might consider what I said instead of what your ego tells you I said. Pay close attention to the word usage. Thanks
Gut Stomp reacting out of emotion? Sounds to me like you’re the one reacting out of emotion from someone challenging your opinion, yes Royce fought people over twice his weight, he weighed around 175lbs and fought opponents who weighed up to 600lbs. If you look at the early UFC days, there were no rules! So you can’t use the rules argument here. You said grappling ONLY works against people your own size or smaller, so I gave you an example of it working against someone much larger. Please educate yourself on this stuff before you start commenting your opinion and then getting angry at people for challenging it. Thanks.
He talk with knife in everday life?
Echo Charles has skinny knees. Get away sticks.
It's called chicken legs.. but he also got pencil neck. But he ain't got the spaghetti arms.. at least.
Tell him in person... I'll wait🤣
The multiple opponents argument for people calling grappling bad is terrible . Striking wouldn’t be able to defeat 3-5 opponents either . It could only be used to hold enemies off to be able to run away . Furthermore if you get taken down by them you will still need grappling to either get out of the situation , or last as long as possible or help yourself not get as hurt as possible
Boxing can. There are several videos on RUclips showing boxers successfully defending themselves against multiple attackers. Of course in order to do this they need two things: room to maneuver and for the attackers to be unskilled. Grappling is king one-on-one or in close quarters or against a trained fighter but what I'm worried about is a group of punks accosting me on the street and deciding to tune me up for no reason. The only thing better than boxing in that situation would be a handgun but in my country we're not allowed to carry firearms and I consider the risk of being caught with one greater than the risk of getting beaten up by a gang of street thugs.
I’ve seen a video of a wrestler taking down and beating 2 people in a fight aswell. But in my opinion the best thing against my opinion the best way to fight against multiple opponents is to just try to get out of the situation as much as you could .
In 1v1 situation the striker also has more opportunities to get away
wtf LOL hold up. Yes, striking will help u hold off multiple attackers for you to escape. That's the point lol. But put a grappler in that situation. How the hell would he try to survive in that scenario? Lol once he's down, he's getting stomped out or killed.
@@winybiny a wrestler can make you escape from people jumping and grabbing you.
Very accurate and on point. It also points out that one can’t do much is Maurice Smith did as a non-grappler and just learn strategies to not be taken down. Once that is accomplished one can add additional grappling skills. However, first and foremost us to stay on the feet as the old saying goes two Beats one on the ground so the ability to defend on foot is paramount.
The problem with using the “wear them down and exhaust” strategy is it doesn’t work when your opponent has a bigger gas tank, Connor is known for gassing out and Khabib doesn’t. It’s also very easy to say “stay away” but with someone like Khabib if you don’t catch him with a good strike he’s taking your ass to the ground.
The "Conor Gasses out" theory isn't correct. People say that because of his first fight with Diaz when he tried to finish him early and didn't fight well. Conor Diaz 2 he paced himself and came out on top. Also for the Mayweather fight, when Conor went 10 rounds his first ever professional boxing match with supposedly the best boxer ever. Boxers usually build up experience with a few years of 5 round fights and gradually fight harder and bigger fights. The "Conor gasses out" myth is uneducated. Don't be an ignoramus.
@@TheFailLord72
To say Connor has a bigger gas tank than Khabib? Well, we all know that's not accurate and a myth at best
@@gcoffey223 bro don't put words in my mouth. Not cool
@@TheFailLord72
Huh???? What part of "we all...." makes you think you weren't included??
@@gcoffey223 I never said conor has a bigger gas tank. hows life in confused land? I hear it's a bit blurry at best.
Imagine, you're in a dark room, there's one light bulb shining over top of you. You're in a chair and there is a 200lb+ ex Navy Seal holding you at knife point as he discusses the topic of strikers vs grapplers.
A big reason grapplers will win more often is because they not only control the ground completely, but they control part of the stand up being the clinch and take downs while the striker only controls a portion of the stand up. Grappling gives you more tools and if you're not trained in it, you're going to be easy meat.
Jocko Willink: "just run away"
Derrick Lewis: "just get up"
Who in their right mind would argue with a man who uses a switch blade as a pointer. 😎
I train Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. Forget the punches. Kicks to the knees are the most effective in street fights in my experience. I'd just faint punches to distract and go for the lower legs. Usually is done before it even starts and you don't even hurt your hands.
Bingo
Study Jose Aldo. Dude had a GOAT takedown defense as a striker
I love how he plays and swings that knife while giving his comments
You need both
I like that Jocko committed the sin of a fan. Human.
Reminds me of the time I sent Jocko a tweet of a battle strategy right before his mission.
Why does jocko have a switch blade? Lol
for self defence i would say striking is superior, particularly against multiple opponents (which is more often the case). i have seen good strikers knock out several people in the space of 5 seconds both in person and on the internet. how would a pure grappler be able to deal with 3/4/5 ppl at one time?
Very good point but one on one , grappling is a better option, and to be able to knock out 3,4, maybe even 5 people in the span of seconds the striker would need to be high high class almost professional at least champion ammeture and the people surrounding would probably have next to no actual fight training. That’s how it usually goes. So striking really is only “better” in that scenario but the main point is that both are extremely useful and you should learn both. If your focused too much on one being “better” you’ll just be an incomplete fighter
And when the striker decides to fight a guy with a wrestling background he's fucked.
Good point. So for self def, be a striker, learn some wrestling so that it hard to take you down.
@@stevesteve7354 I agree. Plus you will need to know grappling in these situations aswell because if the multiple opponents grab you and take you to the ground, you will need to know grappling to get out of the situation or at least make it not as painful as it would have been
Grappling is better
Connor could never tire out Khabib, ding dong
He's like an unlockable badass comando character
Imagine Conor tiring out khabib
Imagine is the closet we can come to that situation
Ngannou demolished Curtis Blaydes twice. Max Holloway demolished Brian Ortega. Conor McGregor KOd Chad Mendes. Israel Adesanya KOd Derek Brunson. I don’t believe that it’s safe to say that the grappler is basically guaranteed to beat the striker, the UFC is full of examples of the contrary.
BusFeet But khabib beat connor nobodys a striker or a grappler anymore without maxs wrestling brian would of submitted max etc etc
Who said it’s basically guaranteed? It’s just statistically more likely
none of the guys you mentioned have zero grappling
BusFeet the didn't say : is guaranteed! !!
But all those guys have intensive grappling traibing as well
3:32 CroCop did it successfully, it's called take down defence :)
Masvidal did it pretty well this morning p
@@domzbu exactly
Salute from a fellow grappler!
2:30 to get to the damn point
Thx
Thanks
Thanks for answering this question, which I have had for a while.
I use this technique in ea ufc 3 to defeat the ground game denial spammers
Love how hes just holding a switch blade casually for no reason lol
But what if your fighting somebody that's so much bigger and stronger than you , wouldn't striking be more effective then ?
Yes
Love it . Come get some comment section
i am 5'10 and around 145 pounds. and, i am more a striker than a grappler. because, well i need to be.. when it comes down to facing off against someone who is far larger, stronger and with a longer reach.. trying to grapple with them is a very difficult and foolish thing to do. you just gotta be far more technical and fast to win that way. however, if you know how to strike with all your body and which points on the body are vulnerable. you level the playing field. all it takes is one precise strike with enough force to disable or kill somebody. a lot of people want to say which martial art is superior to another. but usually they are talking about arena and game circumstances. where there are rules.. but when it comes to just raw survival on the battlefield, you do anything it takes to come out on top. you better watch out for someone who knows how to hurt somebody. sure there is any number of ways to absolutely torture someone into submission with grappling. but they are based on one versus one, with 5 point moves and all that.. very technical stuff. but if someone catches you in the eye or the neck or the gut in a certain way, and you don't deflect or absorb it right, you will be very vulnerable. you will be unable to grapple.. .thats why i have made it a point to understand which points on the human body are most vulnerable and as many ways as possible of striking them. sure i took some wrestling as a kid, and i have utilized that in real fights and it helped me.. as far as sprawling out, getting on top and being in a position to just smash someone. but it was the martial arts that taught me how to strike that i think equipped me most. but, i am the type of person that only strikes if you strike me first.. but that might be a weakness. you gotta be able to read someones body language and react very quickly and precisely as to counter them. block and deflect their attack while immediately striking back and using their force against them. that way you arent in the wrong, and they are down and out.. ideally in one hit. and you better believe i am prepared in all ways to shove my fingers into someones eye sockets. i will grab your wind pipe and squeeze it.. i will strike your juggler, i will smash your diaphragm. i am not looking to win a belt in a competition, i am looking to survive and protect others from harm. and i will punch you right in your teeth. i can throw a straight punch high enough into your jaw even if you are a foot taller than me. i will hit you in the temple.if i get you dropped down low enough i will kick you in your head. i might even pull out a small straight blade from my ankle or waist and poke or slash you somewhere you really wouldn't like. but thats if someone tries to surprise me and put me in a head lock or something.
how dangerous a man is, is not solely based upon his size and strength. its not what you got but what you do with it. and if anything, go ahead and underestimate me. because i will exploit it, and dive through window and end the situation before you can do anything about it.
tell me how i know you are a whitebelt and that you train for less than 2 years
This is really edgy
If I were u, I would work on my sprinting first. 🏃♀️
on another note, thank you for your service jocko
This is a question that was answered long time ago.
A pure striker does not train to have take down defense as a striking fight consist in hiting and not being hit by the oponent. Everytime someone is knocked down in a striking competition like muay thai, boxing or kick boxing the fight stops until both are on their feet again. A grappler can take down anyone with no take down defense ridiculously easy, and a striker is someone not prepared for defending take downs and vulnerable on the ground.
I am not talking about a striker with a strong wrestling background or a boxer who also is experienced at jiu jitsu. I am talking about a pure striker compared to a pure grappler.
The beautiful thing about martial arts now is that amount of grapplers and strikers that practice both have increased so much. Even most gyms now offer BJJ, and striking without having to pay for each separate. Martial artists are much more well rounded now that they’ve ever been in the past. I’ve seen boxers come into judo classes, wrestlers come into their first Muay Thai classes, Judo guys coming into Muay Thai, Bjj guys coming into Muay Thai etc. Hell there was a Kyokushin karate guy who came into judo. It’s beautiful seeing everyone come together, teach, learn, and harmonize.
Nice advice for the MMA sport..
on the street most altercations are over within 5-10 seconds.
See how well grappling works when working on a door and you have multiple offenders for example.
You’re going to choke them all out on the ground.
Grappling has its place and time.
It’s not the miracle these two would have you believe.
the only time you actually fucking win against "multiple offenders" is when youre fighting kindergardeners, or when you have an ak 47 dumbass.
there's no such thing as winning against "multiple offenders" unless you're making up some stupid, over the top exception. like fighting babies or something. 3 average dudes would beat up connor
A good grappler will be the one who doesn’t let any of his opponents bring him down. Even if he is the best grappler in the game.
Those people that jabbed and kept the distance to not get taken down DID play the MMA game. MMA means you have all tools from striking, wrestling to grappling available and are allowed to use them, NOT that you HAVE to use them.
Makes sense ,but in order for everything to work on the game plan Connor needed to be trained and prepared for that fight differently in order to perform that strategy.Connor dosent seem to be a fighter who listens to tactical strategy.
He doesn’t understand Connor does not go the distance and his stamina is laughable so the advice was negligible.
Since how much distance Khabib cover with the first shot to get to Conors legs that far away and the pace he has to put guys in the fence, "jabing from the outside until he gets tired" is much more complicated than with Dean, even he is a killer grappler and very good wrestler.Strategy is far easier to designe and discuss than to apply.
Even if a striker has bad grappling defense they can still win with a well placed knee or fast enought straight punches even if they only know how 2 sprawl they can do good against a grappler especially 1 who has a trash gaurd
COOKYSnCREAM 69 spare mma with a grappler I think it will be a eye opener
I really hope people understand that the ground game is far more important than your standing game especially if you're not a professional fighter why because 90% if not more of street fights usually ALWAYS END UP ON THE GROUND especially if there's alcohol involved. Knowing how to handle yourself on the ground is very important especially if you know that's where the fights headed.... Even most of your professional UFC fights end up on the ground the only time that you want is if the rules dictate that they can't and this is why I will argue that a boxer not always but most of the time is going to get his ass handed to him now this is a boxer keep in mind a person who is used to fighting solely with their fists they're not allowed to kick they're not allowed to grapple they're not allowed to even get on the ground for more than 10 seconds putting that type of a fighter in a match with somebody who is just as skilled but with wrestling ITS NO CONTEST PERIOD!!! In very very rare circumstances will a boxer/striker come out on top and that's usually because the grappler is shitty not because the boxer/striker was better! I have a buddy who learned this the hard way and he was an enforcer for his hockey team so he was use to just standing there punching it out with someone and if you've ever seen enforcers go at it you know they're swinging for the fences! He stepped in to grab him up by the front of his shirt and just keep Bam Bam Bam with his fist that was the biggest mistake he made the second he got close enough the other dude who he didn't know was a grappler grabbed him slammed him did some crazy ass ankle/knee lock and broke his leg in two places TRUE STORY!!! He now has a metal plate and two screws in his ankle needless to say no more hockey and that's what a real grappler can do to you and your career this is why I believe Ali had certain rules and stipulations against Antonio Inoki being able to wrestle him
So cardio and your natural archetype are extremely important as a fighter
The thing about mma addicts, particularly grapplers, specifically bjj, is they don't tend to understand real violence. Grappling is great and should be practiced, but in actual violence striking and shutting down the computer should be the goal always.
Advice Conor to tire Khabib is the funny part, right ? Khabib would take at least three extra rounds before Conor jump in fresh to make that happen.
I'm guessing Khabib's dad who trained Russian SF prepared Khabib's cardio since his early days of taking on bears
That unintentionnal joke was so funny hhhhh Connor..tiring Khabib hhh that's the extreme opposite he is so cluless & even with 3 extra rounds still I don't think so lol
If I could only pick one: I'd rather keep striking. Grappling is great in the octagon, but if you get starched in a bar fight, it won't help. If the person has a buddy with him and you take him to the ground, you're getting your brains kicked into early Parkinson's.
@@Elektroslag BJJ against multiple people is impossible. Rather take my chances with difficult.
curtis m yeah ok so double legging someone on there head then choking out the next guys impossible?
@@markmartin5364 punches are quicker to execute. A double leg(even a quick one) takes longer than a punch. Plus the other guy's buddy will have more than enough time to react and kick you in the head. Not saying grappling is useless, it just depends one the situation, environment and the number of opponents.
@@hamzab4433 you think that because u never felt the intensity of a good wrestler and punches are quixker to excute? And? Your point? Theres a reason wrestljng works so well in mma and against someone who knows zero wrestling u can try to punch them but if thays your plan ill be at your funeral cause your gonna get youe head bounced of the cemit its not like a double leg take a minute to do its very fast is pure grappling gonna work 100% the time? No but neithwe will striking thats why u shoukd train both but if were talming about steet against a untrained person ill pick the trained grappler or strikwe 100% the time
@@markmartin5364 ok.
Grappling is the best
for getting kicked in the head
@@AnthonyJohnson-hs3xs definitely, grab that leg and snap it! Next question plz.
Good evening, Echo.
Both are ok by themselves cause you will lose if they get you on the ground as a striker with a grappler. While grappling is good for 1 on 1 and doesn't really cover hitting nor if it is an unfair fight.
Some solid advice.
Here’s the issue:
Conor has a history of gassing out in 3-5 rounds. Firaz Zahabi (GSPs coach) said on JRE that Conor has fast twitch fibres, allowing him to generate knockout power. But that comes at a cost, and the cost is that he can’t do that in later rounds. Conor probably knows that, he knows that the chances of him putting the guy out lower the longer the fight gets. Almost all his wins are by stoppage in the 1st - 2nd rounds.
Jocko, I know u r well versed in combat. But a grappler won't get tired from what you're saying. Fighters get tired when they r not fighting in the pace they want to.
Blue Lips
This guy is like just agree with every word and Jocko won't put that knife in my forehead
Did Jocko ever fought in combative sport?. Just curious
@SlavKing1945 blackbelt? I mean did he ever fought in any competitive combative sports? Because you don't need to fight to get black belt.
Didn't realise Jocko was a professional mma fighter and coach
Thanks for the advice 💩
Just Beatin I guarantee his mma knowledge is superior to your own
@mike reeves 👍
Since UFC 31, there have been a total of 546 fights inside the octagon. Of these, 225 have ended by knockout, 138 by submission, 141 by unanimous decision, 31 by split decision, three by majority decision, and three by disqualification. There have also been three draws and two no-contests. (Interestingly, the knockout to submission ratio translates similarly into street altercations)
On average, the top 5 “greatest” UFC fighters won more fights due to knockouts in comparison to submission.
In the UFC, the two primary practiced martial arts that account for most title bearing fighters are Wrestling and BJJ. With that being said, a knockout is still the simplest and most effective way to win on average, even with expertise in grappling.
Stats also demonstrate that it takes shorter time to knock someone out on average. These rules apply and adhere in a street altercation as well. These are not necessarily strictly black and white statements, You’re only your best if you capitalize on your strengths, however, these are the numbers.
the numbers dont lie, you are right. but you have to look at the situations how knockouts occur: for example ground and pound knockouts are often won by having a more dominant ground game to get into the top position and instead of submitting just punching them. or to wear them out on the ground so they have a slower footwork and running into a knockout punch.
my point is that often knockouts themselves are a result of being a better ground fighter
@@aulendilthegreat873 Very interesting observation. Considering most biologists/ scientists declare it requires 5 PSI around the jaw area to knock somebody out, it seems the probability to ensuring a downed opponent in a street altercation, or perhaps the ring, whereby you are squaring up against that opponent;represented by no unique handicap that would thereby limit your capabilities of extending your own upper limbs multiple times in a frame of half a minute or exceeding, you eliminating your opponent by “throwing a few swings” are heightened and more likely regardless if you are experienced or inexperienced. Just because 5 pounds of pressure “on average” (we must remember), is a shorter distance to the victory, if presented with a systematic alternative, via, a “a takedown” first. So it would seem at least. Going through the systematic procedure to first ensure the opponent ends on the ground which would require a plethora of obstacles to be taken into consideration and possible mishaps, the fact that the “journey is further” grants more time for the possibility of a hiccup to occur, or so it would seem. That being said, we observe that, seemingly, it is always necessary to make the proper time and place decisions, whereby, in certain cases, it does not necessarily require you to simply capitalize on a “knockout only”, sometimes not allowing you at all of course… But, all we can do is argue “most cases” in simplified terminology, more so in the street, we can see that these numbers are echoed, and it would appear more KOs take place standing according to most street fighting practitioners.
I think in an altercation, I would venture to make my own judgements based on my own unique skillset, and weigh the odds, but capitalize on the probability and the outlet that grants me the least amount of resistance, in my head I can see that as an attempt to knockout the other opponent right away, but great point indeed, these things are NOT always 2 Dimensional, we always need more information, there’s so many factors maybe that we’re missing to rectify this statement.
How many knockouts followed a submission attempt?
A portion of the 225 were capable of getting a knock out because of there defensive grappling skills.
Also, ground and pounds.
Why do boxers hug each other?
If you don't use grappling, that's a safe place for your opponent! LOL!
What a terrible weakness to have!
What a terrible oversight for someone who thinks they can fight!
Striking is more intuitive than grappling.
If you can only train one, grappling will make a bigger difference.
MOST OF THE TIME.
so striking is better
"Tire Khabib out" 🤣 This fool has no idea what he is talking about.
As foolish as that comment was, jocko knows his stuff,
A good striker should use a lead leg like a lead jab and be set on side kicks and lead leg defensive rear kicks. Rear legs though powerful are slow. Ex a roundhouse kick is slow and easy to jam or catch. Strikers should have in there minds set defenses against takedowns or stay on outside of opponent. One way to see if a grappler is going to take you down is his weight is on his front foot. Grapplers need to get close. When strikers kick there weight transitions to their back foot. When they punch weight is on front foot. Need to learn to read opponents weight transitions
Striking is best for multiple opponents at once.
I dont know who he is or anything about MMA, but he looks like quite a tough man to be sending out ' tweets '.
depends upon the stamina if you can keep it up.
and also nothing wrong with grappling a good defence and offence,just like making my opponents sick lol
Great advice. I was stuck between learning jiu jitsu or muay Thai. Just helped me decide.
Both
Yes try both.
Love Jocko but Khabib would take Jocko down a lot easier than he realizes.
Man please...
It is sure he would give a good fight but the weight difference is to huge. He can not take cormier down...
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He's taken heavyweight wrestlers down... goodbones from Russia. All I am saying is a 2 X world combo champ would use his master class Judo (real Judo, not ymca shit) to set up all kinds of leg sweeps and trips and Jocko would go down, easier than Jocko realizes. Go look up somevof the heavyweights Khabib has wrestled, look at what happens to them and hear what these HW grapplers say and how dumbfounded they are after grappling with Khabib.
@@MuchBetterThanTheLaw
Here's a 210 pounder that grappled with khabib
@@MuchBetterThanTheLaw
Here is another 210 pounder... granted Jocko is 260ish I imagine, not sure but take a look
ruclips.net/video/SYXDxfWZjGE/видео.html
@@gcoffey223 Jocko had a competitive match against Jeff Monson who was the best grappler in the world at that time. Jocko is too big for Khabib. DC toyed with Khabib like he was a child, laughing and cracking jokes during it.
Thinking of striking and grappling separately is a mistake
Khabib did his best striking ON THE GROUND. So true
This guy is who you want to be in a zombie apocalypse.
Only way to beat a good grappler like Khabib:
run and hope he isn’t fast too.
People forget in the streets there's no rules there no points and illegal strikes in sports are done in the street
Also if somebody tries fight you you can behind the head you can bite and if there close enough speed kills using strikes with a powerful attack
They gave you crap for being positive about Connor bc he’s a bad influence... and now Khabib has turned out to be such a standup guy 😂
thank you! The guy's been consistently making an ass out of himself. YOU DON"T INSULT MY FAMILY. Wtf kind of attitude is that? The same bullshit that has terrorists blowing themselves up and middle eastern politicians sentencing people to life in prison.
CW Rodriguez haha the kinda attitude that whoops you and your whole team
@@ragnarlodbrok1233 so you're one of those nutjob fanatics that thinks it proportionate to want to kill people who talk bad about your family or religion too? Tell ya what, maybe you could start with yourself?
@@ragnarlodbrok1233 cool story
@@cwr8618 Yeah well there's a line an Conor crossed it. Khabib lost his temper cause Conor was being a piece of shit to him and shit talking his family. Also Dillon Danis was beckoning Khabib on to fight him, so he kinda had it coming. Also, I agree that it was wrong of Khabib, but then again losing ones temper after being shit talked on a huge scale is normal
i think im going to start doing that for now on, talking to my friends while holding a knife, im stealing it Jocko!
striker vs grappler?
jocko: yes.
"from the self defense perspective" we like to conveniently forget that in adult life self defense is not 1x1. Ego fights are 1x1, and hopefully you don't get into ego fights any more.
Alex N
What adult gets into any kind of actual fight?
Its sad to know that many guys that practise martial arts just want do that to look badass when egofighting a random drunk guy at the parking
Wreslters are the kryptonite for jiu jitsu based fighters. Tryon Woodley vs Damien Maia is a great example. NCAA Division 1 wrestler defeated a grappling legend.
ROKMC Rec. they’re also usually the kryptonite for strikers
You’re right about him winning. But he won on the feet. The only grappling exchanges were takedown defense.
@@jamiecarmichael914
My point is its incredibly difficult to take down any decent wrestler. Damien Maia is a jiu jitsu legend, arguably one of the best of his time yet he couldnt take down tyron. In a real fight someone who knows a little jiu jitsu wont be able to beat a guy with a background in collegiate wrestling.
Wrestling + strikes > Bjj + strikes bc of positional dominance
Wrestlers are the kryptonite for all who are not wrestlers. The only way to beat a good wrestler with good striking is to be a better wrestler with better striking.
Casually chatting on a podcast with a knife in hand
The most practical combination is Boxing, BJJ and Muay Thai.
Wrestling is a must too
The only issue with grappling in a street fight is when the guy has buddies.
That’s just one of the issues, the other issue is if they guy is willing to bite you, or go for the eyes
No such thing as striker vs grappler anymore. You have to be able to do it all.
BONZO KILBOURN 👍🏼
wrong
thats compared to an average guy
when one guy is much better at grappling and the other much better at striking it is essentially striker vs grappler
@@joesmith5159it used to be that every striker was completely caught off guard by grapplers because it wasn't part of their art. It's not as clear cut anymore because they've adapted
Well this aged like milk
the fact that you always lead with striking before grappling in any arena or real life scenario is proof enough of what is superior. you gotta be ready to strike or take or deflect one before you can hope to muscle someone with elaborate moves. it is always smarter to dominate the situation and control it from the start and at afar while minimizing risks. like i already stated in my other comment, one solid strike at the right point is measurably the quickest and most efficient way of winning a fight as compared to technical, multi-pointed grappling moves while rolling around on the ground.... which leaves you completely vulnerable if the situation is more than one versus one.... that require you to close the gap regarding striking distance. and if anyone tries to just charge in and spear tackle someone who is ready to strike, if they dont end up having their own energy used against them and having their neck snapped, they will lose every time. keep in mind that real life is not based on rules like in martial arts competitions. it really is more like the wild west. its about who is faster, not stronger. its about where you strike and how.. not how physically strong you are. you want to talk about men being dangerous? constrictors cannot hold a candlelight up to venom.
We've seen these trends. The grapplers dominated when there was no defense. Strikers dominated when they learned the defense. Grapplers dominated again when they started to overcome the defense. Shift now again towards strikers who stuff the takedown
Striking is overrated it's exciting yes , but in one vs one grappling is and always the most efficient
@@everythingsfine1395 no it’s not. If you grab me I can bite your ear off and kick you in the balls. Try to do te same with a guy jabbing and uppercutting you
Uriah hall vs bubba McDaniel good example of a striker beating a grappler season 17 of the ultimate fighter
Jocko, you had a knife in your hand the whole time. Does that not (more or less) defeat the wrestling argument? Unless your assessment is totally about MMA sport and not self defense? Just some questions, love hearing your wisdom. Rock Steady!