It’s great that you cover such underrated history, in schools they only teach of the Greeks, the Romans, Egyptians, then skip the rest of ancient history and go straight to ww2, we should be learning of our ancestors from our own isle as well, not only the celts but the beakers, the megaliths and the Hunter gatherers as well, as from great structures like Stonehenge we see a semblance of civilisation from these people, not as complex as the Greeks Romans or Egyptians but none the less fascinating and important to learn about, this whole history is like an age hidden away from the modern world
Mate jive should of corrected you there is no skip this programme is about before the periods you just mentioned so why he just give you a love emoji and his meant to be teaching you guys something. Bearded pagan racist fool........ hunter gathers ruled the 🌎 lol............ wonder if he love 💘 this
@@obiodogwu6313 wow it’s amazing how much faith you have in the public school system, I don’t know how it is in other schools but from experience my history lessons in primary and secondary education were like that they leave out a lot of what we should know about our history, and I fail to see how learning about ancient European cultures that aren’t Greek or Roman is racist, calling people racist isn’t a solid argument these days
Its because many cultures didn't have a writing system to record their own history and even if they did it would have to be preserved. That's precisely the reason in comparison we don't know as much about the acient celtic religion to roman paganism. Oh yes and even if both above requirements are met. If the language completely dies out it would be almost impossible to decipher.
@@patrickmartin2202 There has been cultures found with written on stones And scowls but no one can understand it over yrs trying to! In this we say the victory to civilisation that is popular wins.
Your description of the God king of Carrowkeel gave me the shivers. I grew up near there as a kid. On a particularly dark and stormy day, Me and my friends once found a burned horse carcass up there covered in candle wax. My brother broke his leg up there on the same day, and me and my friends had to help drag him back down the mountain to the car. I never knew a more ominous and desolate place. We loved and hated it.
There's a roman spring near where I live in a place called knypersly. The Romans built steps into it etc and the story is that people thought it could heal you. Not many people around here are even aware it exists so I felt quite pleased with myself for knowing about it and finding it. One time I visited it the trees surrounding it were covered in ribbons and tied up twigs tied onto the trees and other offerings. It just creeped me out slightly knowing that someone felt hidden enough (because of peoples ignorance of the place) to leave all that stuff. Must have takes ages. It felt like I was trespassing.
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump The romans called us the land of always winter for a reason and were scared to come here due to all the "spirits" , its a dark gloomy , omnious place. Sets you spidey senses on edge and theres still plenty of pagans around worshiping and partaking in rituals. I don't doubt they found a horse carcass with wax on it , this is ireland after all , our pagan and celtic roots hold strong here.
Absolutely amazing. What surprises me is the amount of megalithic features local to me that have disappeared. if I look at old local maps I see evidence of loads of standing stones, rocking stones and stone/druid circles and now they're either gone completely or lost to nature and neglected . These relics should be greatly appreciated and respected, it saddens me to see so many now vanished or decaying and local history being forgotten.
Richie C Get out there and clean them up yourself brother, then you will be the person that people imagine hundreds of years from now when they go to those sites. It is our history and identity that will save us, just because we don’t respect it now it doesn’t mean that we won’t in the future.
I'm so glad I found this channel. The "history" channel has been garbage for years. Very happy to support you, just bought a tshirt. I feel a bit extra Indo-European today.
Great work, mate. I used to live a few miles from Newgrange. It's a fascinating structure with an incredibly engineered roof system. People think it's just a natural hill that the builders tunnelled into, but that is not the case at all. The interior is bone dry, year round, and the amount of rain we get in Ireland is testament to just how advanced the roofing system is.
Many of the 20th century modernists got their ideas from pre-classical art. Including Picasso from archaic period Iberia and Henry Moore from late British bronze age coins.
Just got around to watching this and I have to say that it is one of the best documentaries you have produced. The idea that the elite desired to preserve Mesolithic phenotypes is fascinating. Keep up the good work.
Love your content. Especially how you're using such recent genetic data. My next trip to Europe will definitely include visiting some of these fascinating structures. I believe it will feel like a spiritual experience. We owe so much to our complex ancestors. Wouldn't it be amazing if one could time travel back just to be a fly on the wall and observe them in their heyday. I wish we knew more about their religion and warfare. Keep up the excellent work, good sir. I just now started supporting you on Patreon. It's not much, but just want to do what I can to help you keep this work going.
If you knew what there is to discover, in this sense, in a "Young Brazil" (or would it be an "Ancient Hi-Braesil" Celtic???), maybe you would even finance tropical novelties there... Basically, all Brazilian capitals and border towns have botanical cromlechs (aligned with plants instead of rocks), being sites searchable via the internet as long as you have local references...
I only know my maternal line, I wish that I knew MY paternal haplogroup! So cool! I wish that u could tell me why those bluestone were so important, at Stonehenge, lol!
So much of this was either unknown or unavailable when I was growing up. My whole concept of ancient history went from Rome back to Conan the Barbarian, then to the Flintstones. When I finally made it to Greece, I was overwhelmed by how much I didn’t know.
I used to love ancient history at school, but we never had the privilege of such detailed information and archaeology as we do now. Very well done, very interesting.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Ceide Fields in the west of Ireland. It's the oldest field system(also contains houses/tombs) in the world, dating back 5,500 years.
Thanks for what you do, Thomas. I love your approach to all of this. It’s sad to think how much was “lost” when these cultures died out, but as you point out, they may live on in some form. For me, the mystery is as stirring as anything. I’ll have to watch this one again, as there’s a lot to unpack here.
I also love that you manage to put Dartmoor into so many of your videos. It truly is one of the most magical-seeming landscapes I’ve ever seen (photographs of). (I want to visit Dartmoor so badly. Sadly I’m on the wrong side of the Atlantic.)
This is my absolute favorite StJ video. It may be because I visited most of the places in the video. It may be because I love my Irish heritage. It is definitely your excellent delivery of all this great info though.
look to what kuwait and UAE do currently. they have special rules for their own people. also a caste system is very powerful when people inherently believe in hierarchy and the whole system is engrained in their culture. and if you are born into slavery or debt that is pretty hard to rise out of.
I would imagine that the WHG men stayed on top because of some sort of religious cult. In a previous video on this channel it was speculated that the druids come from a pre-celtic custom unique to Britain that then spread onto the gaul, rather than a celtic custom that was brought over from the continent. This is something that Caecar recorded in his works, though it is hard to prove with limited evidence. Perhaps the WHG were able to become revered as sages or priests and gained dominance in that sense even though the neolithic invaders were more advanced in regards to technology. Over time this priestly class survived as the druids or maybe even the Fili.
@@sandrojones8068 it is known that the Hunter Gatherers lived alongside but separate from the Early European Farmers for some time in central and Northern Europe. Perhaps there was trade and contact between them. Hunted animals may well have had more value, and those that hunted them more cache. In Scandinavia there is evidence that the Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers (who were a combination of Western Hunter Gatherers and Eastern European Hunter Gatherers) were attacking the the early farmers, indeed in Scandinavia the Hunter Gatherers there continued their culture after the Early Farmers one collapsed, trading with and then combining with the Battle Axe Indo Europeans.
@@sandrojones8068 I converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church 15 years ago because it was the only historical European religion that still held spaces and objects sacred as well as encouraged prayer to your ancestors as well as encapsulating Pre-Christian beliefs and practices. I would be extremely respectful not only to the sight but to the builders as well as all the souls who interacted with it. I believe I helped build one of those monoliths, if not Stonehenge itself. I believe reincarnation is a fact of life just like rain or the soul or gravity or god who we(EOC) call "the existing one"
@Wolvs Air to connect with the site, feel it's sacredness, sit in awe of it and just maybe possibly allow the site or the builders or "the existing one" to gift me something like clearer knowledge of past lives or guidance in this life
Magnificant video as always, STJ! I would like to point out that inbreeding does not automatically lead to Inbreeding depression (the accumulation of hereditary diseases and lack of vitality). In parents who are the result of very strong selection (like the WHG) and are therefore very healthy and carry very few gene variants of recessive hereditary diseases, the negative effects are less drastic and will probably become more frequent only after several generations of inbreeding. From Wikipedia: "In prehistoric times, the cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) went through such an extremely narrow genetic bottleneck that today, without a rejection reaction, tissue can be transferred from one cheetah to any other, which is otherwise only possible in identical twins." But this "pure breeding" is only possible if the selection pressure remains very high over generations.
@@Survivethejive For today's individuals (with many more mutations) certainly. But in the past under harsh Darwinian conditions, it might be less damaging. Like, a sister marriage back then would be as risky as a cousin marriage today. That's my speculation. (Not a recommendation for incest.;)
For humans reproduction between 3rd and 4th cousins is the biological ideal . Close enough to prevent physiological mismatches and far enough to prevent inbred deficiencies .
@@jerrywiese Yes, to that conclusion came the Iceland paper. I think they studied family trees of the last few centuries. It all depends on how harsh the environment is. If the selection pressure, and therefore the purge of mutants, is even harder than these Icelandic conditions it could be reduced to 1st and 2nd cousins. Below that would be problematic, I guess, because at some point the group selection kicks in, to alleviate minor mutations in individuals out of ingroup solidarity. My example above with cheetahs is extreme and cannot be transferred to humans because in solitary animals the selection pressure is much higher than in social animals like humans.
One of the greatest historical 'injustices' is the perpetuation of the myth of "egalitarian" and "matriarchal" nature of pre-IE peoples. They were none of those things, as you so perfectly pointed. I personally blame Gimbutas and her 'Old Europe' notion.
Great content. Thank you for your no bull video. It answered several questions I had with respect to the Bronze Age migrations. What I would like to know is if the Tuatha de Danann of Irish mythology could be correlated to the Beaker ware people as myths say they came by ships to Ireland and were noted for their skill in metal work, music and medicine. I have often found that "myths" often are oral histories of events that happened. To my mind, the invasions as you describe fits in with the warfare between the Tuatha de, the Fir Bolg, Fomorians and Milesians. Your thoughts?
The Tuthra is most often linked to later celtic migrations from Iberia. Diana seems to be a very ancient god indeed to appear in do many cultures. Her origins are likely to be around the Caucus regions including Anatolia.
Probably, The Irish Milesian mythology stated that the peoples came from Northern Iberia which is later found to be true in the genetic makeup of Irish people.
In my studies I have found that the Tuatha de where the tribe of Dan who where also the Phoenicians, they came to Ireland via troy after they fought in the Trojan war.
Great and very comprehensive video! There's a series of essays by Rene Guenon, published in "Symbols of Sacred Science", in which he relates the symbolism of the solstices and the annual cycle with that of the cave and the journey of the soul. His commentary actually fits quite nicely with the construction of neolithic tombs you described here. Porphyry has also written about a similar thing in his "On the Cave of the Nymphs".
Fascinating video! I learnt about ritual and religion in pre-historic Britain/Ireland during my Archaeology A-level ~7 years ago. It's amazing to see how much further our knowledge of the period has developed in such a short space of time thanks to DNA techniques and new discoveries!
I really like your choice of odd and atmospheric keyboard background music. It reminds me of late night programs in the early 1990's on strange topics.
Real nice presentation. makes me want even more to go and visit megalithic sites in my own country(Georgia), although they aren't as old. they're around 4000 years old as far as I know. However they are cool looking castles. One of which is actually at the bottom of a lake now.
The more I watch you, the more I learn about our pagan past. I wish I'd had this information when I was in school. Thank you for all you're doing to enighten us. I live in the US but consider Ireland and Britain my spiritual home. When I see these tombs and standing stones, a shiver and sense of deja vu go through me, aong with a desire to know more..maybe a past life. I am having my DNA run and maybe some things will become clear.
While Njord was with the Vanaland people he had taken his own sister in marriage, for that was allowed by their law; and their children were Frey and Freya. But among the Asaland people it was forbidden to intermarry with such near relations (Ynglinga saga 4, Laing's translation).
The Orkneys are well worth a visit Skara Brae is amazing, along with Maeshowe with its Viking graffiti inside. Definitely the most mystical place I've ever been to.
It's fascinating to see connections between Ireland and Balkan where you can find megalithic structures built in almost same fashion. Also some other things like hill Tara you mentioned, there's a mountain in Serbia called Tara. Then there's my friend Garry from Scotland that revealed to me that Serbs and Scots use same word for dogs that is "ker",also bagpipes that have been played on Balkans from Neolithic.
I carry an I2a2 Y chromosome in a subclade of the I-L1195 haplogroup. They found three male individuals at Poulnabrone dolmen in County Clare, Ireland in this haplogroup.
One of the best channels on RUclips! Every video is completely engrossing and brilliant. Unbelievable such an interesting and important channel has so few subscribers :( Channels about stupid pranks, competitive eating, makeup, people playing video games etc have millions of subscribers...... A sad portrayal of the state of consciousness of the majority on RUclips.......
I love all your videos, thank you for taking the time to make them. These are some of the best and clear videos on our early history! Found your videos on paganism helpfull too as im just starting out❤
For the record: at least one of the tombs at Lough Crew are oriented towards the equinox. Re the solstice: imagine living through a northern winter at that time -- I think it would be incredibly important to know when that tide turns, when the days are going to get longer. There were probably then religious overlays, but I would suggest that the origin was the want and need to know that winter was "turning".
Quite seriously, dark-skinned doesn't mean what you think oy means. My blue-eyed father would tan up so dark that he was once refused service at a pre-Civil Rights era southern restaurant. I tan up that dark if you leave me out in the sun, which what most people were back then -- out in the sun a lot. Both he and I never burned. I guess I have me some pretty archaic skin and genes.
erynlasgalen1949 my dad was Irish and Welsh with blue eyes and dark hair, yet his skin tanned in a way best described as anti-Irish, he was sometimes mistaken for Hispanic or middle eastern
Very interesting! Especially the DNA studies that could show relations between different dead ones in the megalithic tombs! I hope more such studies could be made. The stone circles are interesting too. I found the MUCH younger (some are from the Bronze age, but most are from the Migration period or a bit later) stone circle tradition of Scandinavia very fascinating as well, mainly because of all interpretations of them during historical times.
Just stumbled across this video, so glad that I did! I have DNA links to early stone monolithic culture in Great Britain, so this feels like a sort of family history. ❤ Great video 👌🏻
The story about the rebirth of souls during winter solstice gives me hope. I think it's intended not only for the afterlife purposes, but also for the hope of leaving your problems and failures in the old cycle and starting anew in the new one. The same way modern people hope for new life in the new year. Also the structure of the tomb at 15:50 resembles christian churches. It seems the european spirit is indestructible.
If I remember it correctly, Olalde's paper tells that the most of the Neolithic haplogroups found in Iberia both among pre-Yamnaya and also among early Bell-Beakers are mostly I2 too.
Re: Anatolian DNA in women but not men, this is from Wiki: According to the Lebor Gabála, the first people to arrive in Ireland are led by Cessair, daughter of Bith. They set out in three ships, but two are lost at sea. They land in Ireland, at Dún na mBárc on Bantry Bay. The only survivors are Cessair, forty-nine other women, and three men: Fintan mac Bóchra, Bith and Ladra. The women are split evenly among the men. Each also takes one as his wife: Fintán takes Cessair, Bith takes Barrfhind and Ladra takes Alba. However, Bith and Ladra soon die and Fintan is the only man to survive.
👏bravo! It’s the first historian talking about the bellbeaker change as an invasion. So even the Neolithic was dense of several layers! Far more complex. And you prove the persistence of survival of these several human layers, from the hunters gatherers. 👍
Great video. Any insight into the genetic makeup of the Picts? So they're around in the Iron Age, but they are often described as swarthier in appearance than their neighbours. Perhaps they had a higher remaining proportion of neolithic farmer ancestry?
I think the stone balls were weapons, after all our ability to throw has always been our distinguishing feature that allowed us to rise to the top of the food chain. and not for some fancy string weapon like a bolas, but simply held in hand and lobbed like a cricket ball, they all seem well polished to help them fly true.
Many archaeologists have thought the same thing. The problem is archaeologists haven’t found a damaged one which you’d expect to find if they were thrown. They think they could have been used to memorise things.
I do not have a clue what these balls were for but they must have taken many hours to prepare , I mean you would want a whole stack of them if you were going to have a battle , plus once you had thrown it at your enemy he was free to pick it up and throw it back at you. Or maybe people thought that possessing them gave the owner strength and courage , even to this day someone who performs an impressive feat is described as having balls of solid rock ….well they are in the circles I move in anyway .
Idiotic suggestion considering some of them may have taken more than a lifetime to create under neolithic tooling, let alone that so few of them exist. Gordon Bennet
Thanks, I always hoped you make a video about this. Here in North Germany is a very high density of these dolmen typed structures. I always stop when I see one of them at the side of the road.
This is fascinating stuff. I have been to Newgrange twice and found really interesting. Also visited Dowth and Knowth. When I was there, a lot of the recent findings you talked about were not yet known, so the tour guides were even more speculative. I would be interested in your speculation, as somebody interesting in ancient religion, on what you think the belief system of the people was all about.
This is so fascinating. I'm a historian who love prehistory and all the questions that arise about beliefs and customs. The Cult of the Skull and decorated heads in general is a fascinating topic. I think just studying how humans have been adaptable tool makers and story tellers for millennia into prehistory is rewarding. Has anyone researched the progression of burial vs non- burial customs?
Very clear lateral thinking.Good interpretation of genetic data.Whilst far later ( Iron Age) it would be interesting to check the dna of Anglesea druids ( if their are any) to see if they contain any Mesolithic lineage.
Am I understanding correctly-the megalith builders were descended from native WHG (patrilineally) and Neolithic Anatolian farmers. They were then replaced by IE Bell Beaker lineages but some of the purer (inbred) WHG lines managed to survive even into the time of the Bell Beaker people?
The only thing that survived Beaker invasion was a few paternal lineages from megalith people. But they weren't inbred. The inbred god kings were thousands of years earlier
Wow! I surely learn something new each day with each Survive the Jive video you share with us Tom, until now I had no idea that a New Grange existed, only having heard of Stonehenge in Britain! Thanks for sharing this COOL info, liked the video and sending greetings to you from Mexico! :)
Very interesting video. Always enjoyed visiting Stonehenge and Avebury, and interesting how the Beaker Folk added to the landscape. Your production values are getting really good aswell. Cheers Tom
I’m guessing this is where the Celtic Curse derived from? “The Celtic Curse, haemochromatosis is a genetic disorder seen mainly in people of Celtic origin which causes those affected by it to absorb excessive amounts of iron into the blood. If left untreated, this may lead to organ damage or even failure.”
Very good video. Slowly the pieces are coming together. More information is coming to light all the time about the neolithic. Before the neolithic there is not much to explain (except for language). It is the period from 8,000 BC to the dawn of written history that represents the real Dark Ages. So much happened and we know so little. This video is part of the new decipherment. Keep up the good work!
That is absolutely insane how the neolithic people revered individuals with mesolithic ancestry as god kings. The same people who they replaced, by whatever unknown means they placed on a pedestal.
It’s great that you cover such underrated history, in schools they only teach of the Greeks, the Romans, Egyptians, then skip the rest of ancient history and go straight to ww2, we should be learning of our ancestors from our own isle as well, not only the celts but the beakers, the megaliths and the Hunter gatherers as well, as from great structures like Stonehenge we see a semblance of civilisation from these people, not as complex as the Greeks Romans or Egyptians but none the less fascinating and important to learn about, this whole history is like an age hidden away from the modern world
Mate jive should of corrected you there is no skip this programme is about before the periods you just mentioned so why he just give you a love emoji and his meant to be teaching you guys something. Bearded pagan racist fool........ hunter gathers ruled the 🌎 lol............ wonder if he love 💘 this
Battle of Hastings 1066! King Henry 8th! But yes be nice to learn more on history of British Isles of civilisations.
@@obiodogwu6313 wow it’s amazing how much faith you have in the public school system, I don’t know how it is in other schools but from experience my history lessons in primary and secondary education were like that they leave out a lot of what we should know about our history, and I fail to see how learning about ancient European cultures that aren’t Greek or Roman is racist, calling people racist isn’t a solid argument these days
Its because many cultures didn't have a writing system to record their own history and even if they did it would have to be preserved. That's precisely the reason in comparison we don't know as much about the acient celtic religion to roman paganism. Oh yes and even if both above requirements are met. If the language completely dies out it would be almost impossible to decipher.
@@patrickmartin2202 There has been cultures found with written on stones And scowls but no one can understand it over yrs trying to! In this we say the victory to civilisation that is popular wins.
Your description of the God king of Carrowkeel gave me the shivers. I grew up near there as a kid. On a particularly dark and stormy day, Me and my friends once found a burned horse carcass up there covered in candle wax. My brother broke his leg up there on the same day, and me and my friends had to help drag him back down the mountain to the car. I never knew a more ominous and desolate place. We loved and hated it.
sounds like witchcraft
There's a roman spring near where I live in a place called knypersly. The Romans built steps into it etc and the story is that people thought it could heal you. Not many people around here are even aware it exists so I felt quite pleased with myself for knowing about it and finding it. One time I visited it the trees surrounding it were covered in ribbons and tied up twigs tied onto the trees and other offerings. It just creeped me out slightly knowing that someone felt hidden enough (because of peoples ignorance of the place) to leave all that stuff. Must have takes ages. It felt like I was trespassing.
So do remember that you made this up, or have you convinced yourself that this story is true?
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump The romans called us the land of always winter for a reason and were scared to come here due to all the "spirits" , its a dark gloomy , omnious place. Sets you spidey senses on edge and theres still plenty of pagans around worshiping and partaking in rituals. I don't doubt they found a horse carcass with wax on it , this is ireland after all , our pagan and celtic roots hold strong here.
@@nia.d33 The Romans were also superstitious and Pagan.
Absolutely amazing. What surprises me is the amount of megalithic features local to me that have disappeared. if I look at old local maps I see evidence of loads of standing stones, rocking stones and stone/druid circles and now they're either gone completely or lost to nature and neglected . These relics should be greatly appreciated and respected, it saddens me to see so many now vanished or decaying and local history being forgotten.
How awful
Richie C Get out there and clean them up yourself brother, then you will be the person that people imagine hundreds of years from now when they go to those sites. It is our history and identity that will save us, just because we don’t respect it now it doesn’t mean that we won’t in the future.
@@BikingVikingHH thanks mate maybe I will do that
@The Truth about Africa hurts sure i do what?
What sort of maps do you look at to find such places if you don’t mind me asking?
I'm so glad I found this channel. The "history" channel has been garbage for years. Very happy to support you, just bought a tshirt. I feel a bit extra Indo-European today.
You mean the ancient aliens channel?
Indo European?
Excellent video , much appreciated from this sceptical Irish man .
No ideology , just the facts .
Thanks for the upload .
This is by far the best video on the subject of Mesolithic builders I have come across in decades of studying the subject.
I made a better one last year
@@Survivethejive Great can you send me a link please Tom
The scripture "ayy lmao" has just been found on Gobekli Tepe
I don't believe this is actually true lmao
Great work, mate. I used to live a few miles from Newgrange. It's a fascinating structure with an incredibly engineered roof system. People think it's just a natural hill that the builders tunnelled into, but that is not the case at all. The interior is bone dry, year round, and the amount of rain we get in Ireland is testament to just how advanced the roofing system is.
That Cycladian statue looks like a modernist sculpture.
Many of the 20th century modernists got their ideas from pre-classical art. Including Picasso from archaic period Iberia and Henry Moore from late British bronze age coins.
Much like Cuccuteni wide hipped THOT idols
Please don't ever stop researching and creating videos!! The information you spread is SO IMPORTANT! Thank you!
Which research has he done?
@@Dryhten1801 * he refers to the sources...
10:46 WE LIVE IN A LANDSCAPE.
WE LIVE IN A PERIOD
Historical geologists be like:
@@Jojothegodofrandom mine was a reference to Sir Oswald Mosley
Just got around to watching this and I have to say that it is one of the best documentaries you have produced. The idea that the elite desired to preserve Mesolithic phenotypes is fascinating. Keep up the good work.
Absolutely fascinating. And plenty of places added to the ever growing list of places i want to visit.
Love your content. Especially how you're using such recent genetic data. My next trip to Europe will definitely include visiting some of these fascinating structures. I believe it will feel like a spiritual experience. We owe so much to our complex ancestors. Wouldn't it be amazing if one could time travel back just to be a fly on the wall and observe them in their heyday. I wish we knew more about their religion and warfare. Keep up the excellent work, good sir. I just now started supporting you on Patreon. It's not much, but just want to do what I can to help you keep this work going.
Thank you so much
You are welcome to Bulgaria.From the gaps of the Balkan Peninsula begins the spread of this culture.
If you knew what there is to discover, in this sense, in a "Young Brazil" (or would it be an "Ancient Hi-Braesil" Celtic???), maybe you would even finance tropical novelties there... Basically, all Brazilian capitals and border towns have botanical cromlechs (aligned with plants instead of rocks), being sites searchable via the internet as long as you have local references...
It amazes me that I share a direct paternal ancestor with the megalith builders, as I have an I2a2 haplo group.
That is amazing. I'm gonna have to revisit my 23andMe results and see where I stand.
Hail King Utah suffering and death to thine enemies
How do you determine your haplogroup?
I only know my maternal line, I wish that I knew MY paternal haplogroup! So cool! I wish that u could tell me why those bluestone were so important, at Stonehenge, lol!
@@didntknoicouldchangethis maybe he still has the newspaper articles written when they were built.
Well done, the introduction of DNA into the topic of "where we came from" isn't presented approachably very often. This post is exceptional.
I love the RBG jitter you have when you cut to another screen.
So much of this was either unknown or unavailable when I was growing up. My whole concept of ancient history went from Rome back to Conan the Barbarian, then to the Flintstones. When I finally made it to Greece, I was overwhelmed by how much I didn’t know.
I used to love ancient history at school, but we never had the privilege of such detailed information and archaeology as we do now. Very well done, very interesting.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Ceide Fields in the west of Ireland. It's the oldest field system(also contains houses/tombs) in the world, dating back 5,500 years.
Isn't there a myth that the people of Scota thought agriculture to the Egyptians?
I'm never bored or disappointed with your videos. It makes me so proud seeing the history of my ancestors in Britain and Europe. Thanks so much
Thanks for what you do, Thomas. I love your approach to all of this. It’s sad to think how much was “lost” when these cultures died out, but as you point out, they may live on in some form. For me, the mystery is as stirring as anything.
I’ll have to watch this one again, as there’s a lot to unpack here.
I also love that you manage to put Dartmoor into so many of your videos. It truly is one of the most magical-seeming landscapes I’ve ever seen (photographs of).
(I want to visit Dartmoor so badly. Sadly I’m on the wrong side of the Atlantic.)
This is my absolute favorite StJ video. It may be because I visited most of the places in the video. It may be because I love my Irish heritage. It is definitely your excellent delivery of all this great info though.
It’s so mind-blowing I actually have to watch it again to be sure of what I just witnessed.
Quite sad they died out really, I wonder how they managed to stay at the top after being invaded.
look to what kuwait and UAE do currently. they have special rules for their own people. also a caste system is very powerful when people inherently believe in hierarchy and the whole system is engrained in their culture. and if you are born into slavery or debt that is pretty hard to rise out of.
JakeMoranIsLame because the extinction of any people is a sad event. Many people are going to be in grave danger in the next century.
Throughout this century *
I would imagine that the WHG men stayed on top because of some sort of religious cult. In a previous video on this channel it was speculated that the druids come from a pre-celtic custom unique to Britain that then spread onto the gaul, rather than a celtic custom that was brought over from the continent. This is something that Caecar recorded in his works, though it is hard to prove with limited evidence. Perhaps the WHG were able to become revered as sages or priests and gained dominance in that sense even though the neolithic invaders were more advanced in regards to technology. Over time this priestly class survived as the druids or maybe even the Fili.
@@sandrojones8068 it is known that the Hunter Gatherers lived alongside but separate from the Early European Farmers for some time in central and Northern Europe. Perhaps there was trade and contact between them.
Hunted animals may well have had more value, and those that hunted them more cache.
In Scandinavia there is evidence that the Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers (who were a combination of Western Hunter Gatherers and Eastern European Hunter Gatherers) were attacking the the early farmers, indeed in Scandinavia the Hunter Gatherers there continued their culture after the Early Farmers one collapsed, trading with and then combining with the Battle Axe Indo Europeans.
I would love to go to those megalithic structures and meditate or fall asleep under and dream
Tecumseh Cristero I dream of sleeping the night at skara brae cast the runes, be among my distant ancestors.
Be careful near a barrow. And if you do, make sure you are 100% respectful, even watch what you say.
@@sandrojones8068 I converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church 15 years ago because it was the only historical European religion that still held spaces and objects sacred as well as encouraged prayer to your ancestors as well as encapsulating Pre-Christian beliefs and practices. I would be extremely respectful not only to the sight but to the builders as well as all the souls who interacted with it. I believe I helped build one of those monoliths, if not Stonehenge itself. I believe reincarnation is a fact of life just like rain or the soul or gravity or god who we(EOC) call "the existing one"
@Wolvs Air to connect with the site, feel it's sacredness, sit in awe of it and just maybe possibly allow the site or the builders or "the existing one" to gift me something like clearer knowledge of past lives or guidance in this life
The hobbits did it one day, it didn't end well. Make sure you know Bombadil's summon by heart before going there.
Someone who is actually reporting on new findings. What a great video! Thanks for putting this together.
Magnificant video as always, STJ!
I would like to point out that inbreeding does not automatically lead to Inbreeding depression (the accumulation of hereditary diseases and lack of vitality). In parents who are the result of very strong selection (like the WHG) and are therefore very healthy and carry very few gene variants of recessive hereditary diseases, the negative effects are less drastic and will probably become more frequent only after several generations of inbreeding.
From Wikipedia: "In prehistoric times, the cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) went through such an extremely narrow genetic bottleneck that today, without a rejection reaction, tissue can be transferred from one cheetah to any other, which is otherwise only possible in identical twins." But this "pure breeding" is only possible if the selection pressure remains very high over generations.
It depends on how inbred too. First degree incest is very dangerous
@@Survivethejive For today's individuals (with many more mutations) certainly. But in the past under harsh Darwinian conditions, it might be less damaging. Like, a sister marriage back then would be as risky as a cousin marriage today. That's my speculation. (Not a recommendation for incest.;)
For humans reproduction between 3rd and 4th cousins is the biological ideal .
Close enough to prevent physiological mismatches and far enough to prevent inbred deficiencies .
@@jerrywiese Yes, to that conclusion came the Iceland paper. I think they studied family trees of the last few centuries. It all depends on how harsh the environment is. If the selection pressure, and therefore the purge of mutants, is even harder than these Icelandic conditions it could be reduced to 1st and 2nd cousins. Below that would be problematic, I guess, because at some point the group selection kicks in, to alleviate minor mutations in individuals out of ingroup solidarity. My example above with cheetahs is extreme and cannot be transferred to humans because in solitary animals the selection pressure is much higher than in social animals like humans.
One of the greatest historical 'injustices' is the perpetuation of the myth of "egalitarian" and "matriarchal" nature of pre-IE peoples. They were none of those things, as you so perfectly pointed. I personally blame Gimbutas and her 'Old Europe' notion.
Jive: They were not very diverse
Media: YES THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALL MIXED AND AFRICANS
Outstanding content. No spin. No bias. Just scholarship of the highest standard.
You are doing some of the best work of communicating history I've ever seen.
Great content. Thank you for your no bull video. It answered several questions I had with respect to the Bronze Age migrations. What I would like to know is if the Tuatha de Danann of Irish mythology could be correlated to the Beaker ware people as myths say they came by ships to Ireland and were noted for their skill in metal work, music and medicine. I have often found that "myths" often are oral histories of events that happened. To my mind, the invasions as you describe fits in with the warfare between the Tuatha de, the Fir Bolg, Fomorians and Milesians. Your thoughts?
The Tuthra is most often linked to later celtic migrations from Iberia. Diana seems to be a very ancient god indeed to appear in do many cultures. Her origins are likely to be around the Caucus regions including Anatolia.
Probably, The Irish Milesian mythology stated that the peoples came from Northern Iberia which is later found to be true in the genetic makeup of Irish people.
Don't forget queen 'Scota' from Egypt around Akhenaten reign
In my studies I have found that the Tuatha de where the tribe of Dan who where also the Phoenicians, they came to Ireland via troy after they fought in the Trojan war.
Great and very comprehensive video!
There's a series of essays by Rene Guenon, published in "Symbols of Sacred Science", in which he relates the symbolism of the solstices and the annual cycle with that of the cave and the journey of the soul. His commentary actually fits quite nicely with the construction of neolithic tombs you described here. Porphyry has also written about a similar thing in his "On the Cave of the Nymphs".
Fascinating video!
I learnt about ritual and religion in pre-historic Britain/Ireland during my Archaeology A-level ~7 years ago.
It's amazing to see how much further our knowledge of the period has developed in such a short space of time thanks to DNA techniques and new discoveries!
I really like your choice of odd and atmospheric keyboard background music. It reminds me of late night programs in the early 1990's on strange topics.
That's exactly what I was going for
Im jealous of the sheer numbers & the magnitude of these megaliths that Tom has the opportunity to explore & study in person.
Real nice presentation. makes me want even more to go and visit megalithic sites in my own country(Georgia), although they aren't as old. they're around 4000 years old as far as I know. However they are cool looking castles. One of which is actually at the bottom of a lake now.
You are one of the most important channels on RUclips. Thank you StJ 😊
Some really great content yet again, damn I may be only half British American but that’s the favorite part of my ancestry
I very much look forward to these videos. This is easily my favorite history channel and host.
The more I watch you, the more I learn about our pagan past. I wish I'd had this information when I was in school. Thank you for all you're doing to enighten us. I live in the US but consider Ireland and Britain my spiritual home.
When I see these tombs and standing stones, a shiver and sense of deja vu go through me, aong with a desire to know more..maybe a past life. I am having my DNA run and maybe some things will become clear.
In a way this echoes the story of the Vanir being overtaken by the Asir.Also the situation between the brother and sister Ingvi Frey andFreyer
While Njord was with the Vanaland people he had taken his own sister in marriage, for that was allowed by their law; and their children were Frey and Freya. But among the Asaland people it was forbidden to intermarry with such near relations (Ynglinga saga 4, Laing's translation).
Probably the best coverage and exposition of a fascination subject i have seen in years. Bravo.
The Orkneys are well worth a visit Skara Brae is amazing, along with Maeshowe with its Viking graffiti inside. Definitely the most mystical place I've ever been to.
It's fascinating to see connections between Ireland and Balkan where you can find megalithic structures built in almost same fashion. Also some other things like hill Tara you mentioned, there's a mountain in Serbia called Tara. Then there's my friend Garry from Scotland that revealed to me that Serbs and Scots use same word for dogs that is "ker",also bagpipes that have been played on Balkans from Neolithic.
not the same fashion
Yes that’s true , but I think bag pipes were played all over Europe . They are a large part of the folk music in bothBrittany and northern Spain .
This is my favourite STJ video, I still come back to it several times.
I recently discovered this channel. This is amazing! One of my favorite subjects. Incredible work!
I visited newgrange this summer. An absolutely unbelievable experience
I2a2a American Gael here reporting in.
(m-284, L-1195, L-126)
Gaels mostly had R1b
@@Survivethejive I know, I'm predominantly descended from Northwestern Gaels though, in more recent times of course.
@@davegnidaer572 I hate that word Celt
You are from Balkan
@@despot3880 Me? Im from Éire
I carry an I2a2 Y chromosome in a subclade of the I-L1195 haplogroup. They found three male individuals at Poulnabrone dolmen in County Clare, Ireland in this haplogroup.
One of the best channels on RUclips! Every video is completely engrossing and brilliant. Unbelievable such an interesting and important channel has so few subscribers :( Channels about stupid pranks, competitive eating, makeup, people playing video games etc have millions of subscribers...... A sad portrayal of the state of consciousness of the majority on RUclips.......
I hope that you Thomas, are writing regular articles also, along with videos. This could be interesting. Cheers form Poland!
I love all your videos, thank you for taking the time to make them.
These are some of the best and clear videos on our early history!
Found your videos on paganism helpfull too as im just starting out❤
One of the best documentaries on the topic. Geat work. Thank you. Keep it up.
For the record: at least one of the tombs at Lough Crew are oriented towards the equinox.
Re the solstice: imagine living through a northern winter at that time -- I think it would be incredibly important to know when that tide turns, when the days are going to get longer. There were probably then religious overlays, but I would suggest that the origin was the want and need to know that winter was "turning".
Nutritious primal diet and active lifestyle left Hunter Gatherer man with superior build and athleticism to swoon cute farmer women.
Check out the The virgin agriculturalist vs THE CHAD PASTORALIST meme, it's great
Virgin agriculturalist vs Chad hunter-gatherers vs Ultrachad pastoralists
@@sadsackkvisling9694 now imagine what balls does it take to domesticate and breed these
Thanks for breaking all this DNA information down! It has answered some curiosities I have been having a hard time resolving 😊
"The god king was the dark skinned one"... here comes nick cannon
Devin Davis 😂
😂😂
I roasted his ass in this diss i made to him.
ruclips.net/video/72ZCamcr95c/видео.html
🤣 too primitive. Nicks had spaceships by that point.
Quite seriously, dark-skinned doesn't mean what you think oy means. My blue-eyed father would tan up so dark that he was once refused service at a pre-Civil Rights era southern restaurant. I tan up that dark if you leave me out in the sun, which what most people were back then -- out in the sun a lot. Both he and I never burned. I guess I have me some pretty archaic skin and genes.
erynlasgalen1949 my dad was Irish and Welsh with blue eyes and dark hair, yet his skin tanned in a way best described as anti-Irish, he was sometimes mistaken for Hispanic or middle eastern
I love this video. I appreciate what you do. cheers!
Great vid! Cheers for the info jive.
Love the synth soundtrack of your channel.
I love the Xurious themes, which are primordial and enchanting. I feel like my ancestors haunt the land and we are terrifying to our adversaries.
Very interesting! Especially the DNA studies that could show relations between different dead ones in the megalithic tombs! I hope more such studies could be made. The stone circles are interesting too. I found the MUCH younger (some are from the Bronze age, but most are from the Migration period or a bit later) stone circle tradition of Scandinavia very fascinating as well, mainly because of all interpretations of them during historical times.
How can a structure built 5000 years ago still be perfectly aligned with solar events even to this day?
Your channel consistently has the highest quality content Mr. Rowsell. Great video as always, and thank you!
Hear Hear
Just stumbled across this video, so glad that I did! I have DNA links to early stone monolithic culture in Great Britain, so this feels like a sort of family history. ❤
Great video 👌🏻
Great documentary Tom,thanks for sharing.
Awesome video! Great stuff again mate, thank you~
The story about the rebirth of souls during winter solstice gives me hope. I think it's intended not only for the afterlife purposes, but also for the hope of leaving your problems and failures in the old cycle and starting anew in the new one. The same way modern people hope for new life in the new year.
Also the structure of the tomb at 15:50 resembles christian churches.
It seems the european spirit is indestructible.
If I remember it correctly, Olalde's paper tells that the most of the Neolithic haplogroups found in Iberia both among pre-Yamnaya and also among early Bell-Beakers are mostly I2 too.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/
I1970 Beaker Iberia Portugal I
I4229 Beaker Iberia Portugal I2a1a1
I0257 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1
I0261 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1a(xR1b1a1a2a)
I0458 Beaker Iberia Spain I2a2a
I0460 Beaker Iberia Spain I2a2a
I0825 Beaker Iberia Spain G2
I0826 Beaker Iberia Spain I2a2
I5665 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1a1a2a1a2
I6471 Beaker Iberia Spain CT(xI,xG,xE)
I6472 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1a1a2
I6539 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1a1a2a1a2(xR1b1a1a2a1a2c)
I6542 Beaker Iberia Spain F
I6587 Beaker Iberia Spain I2a2a
I6588 Beaker Iberia Spain R1b1a1a2a1a
I6589 Beaker Iberia Spain BT
I6622 Beaker Iberia Spain P1(xR1b1a1a2)
I6604 C_Iberia_CA Spain G2a2a1
I6608 C_Iberia_CA Spain I2a1b
I6543 C_Iberia_CA Spain I
I6596 C_Iberia_CA Spain CT
I6617 C_Iberia_CA Spain I2a2a1b2
I6629 C_Iberia_CA Spain F
I0453 SE_Iberia_CA Spain I
I0455 SE_Iberia_CA Spain I
I0457 SE_Iberia_CA Spain CF
I6601 SW_Iberia_CA Portugal I2
Re: Anatolian DNA in women but not men, this is from Wiki:
According to the Lebor Gabála, the first people to arrive in Ireland are led by Cessair, daughter of Bith. They set out in three ships, but two are lost at sea. They land in Ireland, at Dún na mBárc on Bantry Bay. The only survivors are Cessair, forty-nine other women, and three men: Fintan mac Bóchra, Bith and Ladra. The women are split evenly among the men. Each also takes one as his wife: Fintán takes Cessair, Bith takes Barrfhind and Ladra takes Alba. However, Bith and Ladra soon die and Fintan is the only man to survive.
👏bravo! It’s the first historian talking about the bellbeaker change as an invasion. So even the Neolithic was dense of several layers! Far more complex. And you prove the persistence of survival of these several human layers, from the hunters gatherers. 👍
Thank you for explaining that white retaining wall at New Grange when I saw it in the summer of 1967, it was quite frankly a mess.
Your editing is getting more and more impressive
Great video. Any insight into the genetic makeup of the Picts? So they're around in the Iron Age, but they are often described as swarthier in appearance than their neighbours. Perhaps they had a higher remaining proportion of neolithic farmer ancestry?
Quite the reverse. Picts had more steppe ancestry than other britons
@@Survivethejive Source on this?
No the Picts were the fairest of the Celts you're thinking of the Welsh most likely
It seems I'm too early to enjoy the comments, fortunately there's the video.
@ゴエモン the first Canadians were obviously from Mars
I think the stone balls were weapons, after all our ability to throw has always been our distinguishing feature that allowed us to rise to the top of the food chain. and not for some fancy string weapon like a bolas, but simply held in hand and lobbed like a cricket ball, they all seem well polished to help them fly true.
Many archaeologists have thought the same thing. The problem is archaeologists haven’t found a damaged one which you’d expect to find if they were thrown. They think they could have been used to memorise things.
I do not have a clue what these balls were for but they must have taken many hours to prepare , I mean you would want a whole stack of them if you were going to have a battle , plus once you had thrown it at your enemy he was free to pick it up and throw it back at you.
Or maybe people thought that possessing them gave the owner strength and courage , even to this day someone who performs an impressive feat is described as having balls of solid rock ….well they are in the circles I move in anyway .
Idiotic suggestion considering some of them may have taken more than a lifetime to create under neolithic tooling, let alone that so few of them exist. Gordon Bennet
Thanks, I always hoped you make a video about this. Here in North Germany is a very high density of these dolmen typed structures. I always stop when I see one of them at the side of the road.
Hey Tom have you done a documentary on Doggerland yet?
This is fascinating stuff. I have been to Newgrange twice and found really interesting. Also visited Dowth and Knowth. When I was there, a lot of the recent findings you talked about were not yet known, so the tour guides were even more speculative. I would be interested in your speculation, as somebody interesting in ancient religion, on what you think the belief system of the people was all about.
Thanks! Do you have any maps or itineraries of megalithic sites to visits?
Look up the megalithic portal
This is the best channel on RUclips.
Was waiting on you making this
I only watched one other video regarding this I swear lol
Your info is always the best brother
This is so fascinating. I'm a historian who love prehistory and all the questions that arise about beliefs and customs. The Cult of the Skull and decorated heads in general is a fascinating topic. I think just studying how humans have been adaptable tool makers and story tellers for millennia into prehistory is rewarding. Has anyone researched the progression of burial vs non- burial customs?
One of your best videos so far Imo
Hey, I'm trying to locate the source for the excel document that details the skin colour etc in 21:30 . Could you point me toward the source please?
Its in supplements for the new grange paper
Very clear lateral thinking.Good interpretation of genetic data.Whilst far later ( Iron Age) it would be interesting to check the dna of Anglesea druids ( if their are any) to see if they contain any Mesolithic lineage.
AFAIK it's not possible so far yo identify the burial of a druid
Am I understanding correctly-the megalith builders were descended from native WHG (patrilineally) and Neolithic Anatolian farmers. They were then replaced by IE Bell Beaker lineages but some of the purer (inbred) WHG lines managed to survive even into the time of the Bell Beaker people?
Yes, except for their leaders/royals who preferred to keep it in the family.
The only thing that survived Beaker invasion was a few paternal lineages from megalith people. But they weren't inbred. The inbred god kings were thousands of years earlier
Thiis is beautiful, I didn't know about the passage tomb on Orkney. Excellent.
Wow! I surely learn something new each day with each Survive the Jive video you share with us Tom, until now I had no idea that a New Grange existed, only having heard of Stonehenge in Britain! Thanks for sharing this COOL info, liked the video and sending greetings to you from Mexico! :)
Very interesting video. Always enjoyed visiting Stonehenge and Avebury, and interesting how the Beaker Folk added to the landscape. Your production values are getting really good aswell. Cheers Tom
Very interesting and nice presentation. This is one of your best Videos.
Bravo!! Stand out work Mr. Rowsell.
I’m guessing this is where the Celtic Curse derived from?
“The Celtic Curse, haemochromatosis is a genetic disorder seen mainly in people of Celtic origin which causes those affected by it to absorb excessive amounts of iron into the blood. If left untreated, this may lead to organ damage or even failure.”
It’s not just in Ireland and all of England but everywhere
Very good video. Slowly the pieces are coming together. More information is coming to light all the time about the neolithic. Before the neolithic there is not much to explain (except for language). It is the period from 8,000 BC to the dawn of written history that represents the real Dark Ages. So much happened and we know so little. This video is part of the new decipherment. Keep up the good work!
That is absolutely insane how the neolithic people revered individuals with mesolithic ancestry as god kings. The same people who they replaced, by whatever unknown means they placed on a pedestal.
Yes it is very odd, and interesting!
Keep up the good work! I loved the entire video it was very informative. 😊
another home run man! nice vid as always