I've seen this installed before and I'm now determined to remove my big RV propane heater and put one in for next winter. The existing uses far to much propane which is harder to source that diesel fuel and the RV heater's blower uses far to much power. So much so it is problematic using while boondocking off the grid. I am seriously considering mounting it and fuel pump underneath the floor of the RV (outside) to further isolate the noise levels. Thank you, No Name for your comment.
Hey I used to be a crane mechanic and I rebuilt those webasto heaters all the time they are great heaters and super easy to work on they last years with out needing to be rebuilt just don’t store for long times with fuel in them like any other motor and service manuals are easily obtainable
A couple of notes on the combustion air and combustion exhaust: The general principle of getting ENOUGH throughput is important for assuring that the combustion process is complete (at high enough temp). The fans are designed to work with a minimally restricted duct, so be sure that the supply and exhaust meet the manufacturer's specs for diameter, length, and total bends in hoses. Aftermarket has filters for intake hose, and you probably want to fashion a wire screen over the exhaust in order to prevent bugs from making nests. Wasps seem to love my camper as much as I do, from paper wasps to the dirt dobber kind. If the throughput for combustion gets restricted, the inside of the heater will soot up, although the gasoline versions may not be as susceptible as the diesel units. Lastly, be sure to have a check sheet for operation of the heater that includes checking the status of your carbon monoxide detector weekly in heating season, and have multiple detectors if sleeping compartments are not close and exchanging air. Next, a warning on the heating supply and exhaust: blocking either supply or exhaust of heating air will cause overheat of the unit.Therefore, alert all inhabitants of the importance of not blocking them with suitcases or other objects. The confined nature of rv living can sometimes cause us to 'load up the space', so it may be helpful (if slightly unattractive) to post warning stickers of "Do NOT block this passage".
Any older pilot is familiar with the Avgas powered cabin heaters installed in piston aircraft since the early 1960’s. They worked very well and were quite safe. These newer gasoline heaters draw from those old Aviation gasoline cabin heaters with the much advanced electronic controls. I will be installing one of these on my truck camper. Great video, thank you sir.
The fuel pump has to point upwards at least 15 degrees so air does not build up in the lines. A downpipe spout inserted from the top and bottom and cut so they will join in the middle makes a really tidy detail on for the hole.
Webasto has been making diesel-fired heating systems for RVs for years and they're well respected. This little gas unit is sweet! Love how the control box fit your panel so well. Isn't it nice when a plan comes together? :) Great video, Brian. Thanks again.
Yes. I considered all options and was felt the best about Webasto. I popped out the generator runtime meter and put the heater control in its place. I my get a black sharpie and color in the edges to make it blend better.
I got a Chinese diesel heater that is just like this 2 years ago. I live in my camper full time and have used it for 2 years only problem had a glow plugs go bad and only cost me $170 for the heater and $10 for the replacement glow plug. I use about 10 dollars of diesel a week.
@@ancienttechnology7337 The one's I've seen are on Amazon or eBay and mostly, they appear to be unbranded (or branded by a distributor) and all made in similar factories. Just search for "diesel air heater" and you can add the size you want too (2 or 5 kw). Note that they are replicas of the Eberspacher so they are a bit different than the Webasto inside but otherwise, seem to be very similar.
Great video, nice detail and explanation. I installed the diesel version in my truck camper about a month ago and added an extra vent like you did. Nice dry heat. I can't believe RV manufacturers aren't installing these at the factory.
Nice neat job. These heaters are very popular in Europe and I’ve had a few over the years. Two bits of advice for anyone else thinking of fitting one. 1) cheap Chinese knock off look good value but some are not built very well in the heat exchanger and can leak fumes into warm air. 2) No matter which brand you fit alway instal a good quality Carbon Monoxide monitor that is loud enough to wake you up. Even the best brand can fail and that monitor might save your life.
Great job. You won’t be sorry you switched over to a webasto heater. I’m running Webasto air top 2000 at the front of our class a and an Espar d4 in the rear. Best decision I ever made. Remember warm wife = happy wife = happy life Cheers
We are 35 ft long. One Webasto diesel heater heats the front cab area. The second one espar d4 heats the back bedroom, bathroom and the basement. We also have a 30,000 btu propane furnace to heat the main kitchen area and the front part of the basement. Originally the Motorhome came with 2 - 30000 btu propane furnaces. The back furnace never worked properly so I removed it and installed a Espar d4 diesel heater. Both diesel heaters hardly use any fuel and very little electricity to run. We do not live in it full time but we travel done south in the winter from Canada for 4 months. That was until this covid thing happened. Don’t know when we can travel south again
for dry camping I used to use 1 or 2 electric space heaters with thermostats and a generator. I could not stand the noise of the LP furnace when it kicked on it woke me up every time. This unit looks great.
I would typically run a space heater when temps dropped below 45 degF. Now I've been running this 24/7 even while my RV is parked at home and not even plugged in. Lovin it so far.
@@RVwithTito I was always scared to run the propane type heat sources. I have turned on 2-4 burners on the stove... just above low to make it through the night or had a naphtha stove in the corner on low-med in my Campers with a couple windows cracked 1/4 inch but I never slept well. I found spending money on fuel for my generator and using a high quality electric space heater put my mind at ease. Safety is more important than anything else. I think it depends on the situation and sometimes you don't have a choice but you should know the risks of all the choices.
Pretty awesome. About 15 years ago I worked for Daimler Commercial Busses North America and many of the Busses had Webasto diesel heaters. They worked on a timer so that the bus would be warm when a driver started his shift in the morning.
Always love your videos. To me you are showing us how to set up our mobile homes to be self sufficient vs the older mentality of having all the creature comforts with hookups and non efficiencies
I've been using a Webasto for over 10 years/ 5000 hours, then i have to replace the device. the combustion chamber was broken. i bought a new model from webasto, easy to install. Have Fun! :-)
how big is your camper? Do you use it in below freezing weather? I’m trying to decide if these heaters will be more fuel efficient than a small 20,000 btu propane fireplace
I have been fascinated by the cheap ones,...Guessing that the gas ones wont soot up like the diesel ones can. Thanks for taking the time for the vids neighbor. When I got my toyhauler years ago, first mod.. move thermostat to bedroom, easy to turn on (up) heat before getting out of bed. The manufacturer had the thermostat wall mounted almost directly over the furnace.... :(
Great hack, I had a gas heater in my first car a 1960 Corvair, it was the only option on the car! This will be a good addition to our 1991 Aero Cruiser since we remove the power guzzling propane furnace and wall mounted Wave radiating heater. The Wave does produce significant humidity so we will definitely pursue this option, thanks.
Webasto diesel heaters are awesome! I ran a trucking company in the US and Europe for over 20 years. Not one Webasto heater ever failed, not a single one. Espar were junk in comparison. I have not seen a gas/petrol version before. Awesome setup 👍🏻
Thanks for the info! That's great to hear. Looking forward to years of trouble free heating. I'm glad they have a gas one. It made it the perfect solution for me.
Incredibly in depth video! Thinking about making a small camper in my truck bed and using one of these webasto heaters so we can get out in the winter.
Brian: You are so ingenious and very handy . You are busy with your work and your RV . Don’t forget to seal the hole when the heating is completed . Don’t invite mice and bugs in the RV ! I don’t have a RV . I often watch your RV videos and other related videos . I also hope to become a person with a RV in the future 。I wish you a happy autumn !
The ability to regulate the fan down as it nears the target temperature is a fantastic feature alone. Take an amp reading again when the fan slows down for battery savings.... It may also reduce the heat to a lower temp thus even less fuel consumption Really nice unit and idea you had....good call :) The gasoline line to the Onan is plumbed to stop at 1/4 tank to keep you from running your fuel tank empty.
I've been running it for the last three days. When heating mode is enable, but not heating, the fan still moves a tiny bit of air and draws about 0.5A. When low and close to temp it draws about 1.1A. At full strength, it draws roughly 2.2A. Of course, the fuel draw is proportional to that. At max, it's been consuming just over 1 gallon of gas in 24 hrs. It's not that cold here yet though with overnight temps around 45-55 deg F.
@@RVwithTito good luck! THe most difficult job I had as a mechanic at a dealership was completely rewiring everything behind the dash of an almost new car. A gas heater had been installed, it leaked, and things went up fast at the 7-11. The fire was quickly put out but everything behind the dash roasted. Insurance co refused to total the car since it was only a couple months old. That was a German car and heater.
You're very talented. I suggest you add a rub guard to the fuel line where it is in contact to the body or frame. Rubbing could occur over time causing it to fail. Very good work. Like your vlogs. Keep them coming.
@@joeboxter3635 I am always so impressed with Brian's creativity and technical content in his videos. I want to know his background, too. I speculate that he is an electrical engineer by training. Am I right? @Rv with Tito DIY
@@RVingwithG the cold air intake is just for the combustion air, the air for the interior is drawn from one side of the heater, across the exchanger and out the discharge line.
@@RVingwithG I questioned this too when installing A/C on schools but the kids need fresh air. :-). if you only recirculate you will end up with higher CO2 levels.
That's what I really need to know. I have a 17 ft shuttle bus that I and building at this point. And it's regular gas. Thank you very much I enjoy your videos
You're welcome. I recently discovered a US distributor in Virginia that sells them, plus parts and service. www.vmacs.net. I've been running mine 24/7 since making this video without any issues. Good luck with your build!
FYI. Mounting the fuel pump in a horizontal attitude can result in an air bubble in the pump and eventually corrosion. (premature failure). Mount the fuel pump with the exit in a slightly upward attitude so any air evacuates the pump.
Bought a heater from Heatso 4 years ago on a Thursday, was delivered to me the following Monday, no duty was charged and a Customs documentation showed up a few days later. Shipping for heater was less than 50 bucks. Would not hesitate to order from them in future.
_No matter the brand, gasoline, or diesel glad to see you have one. They are a game-changer! One question, though, that line you connected to doesn't have a pump that fed your old genny, right? You don't want to force-feed those meter pumps. They're designed to only pump about .02 ml per cycle._
No. The pump was actually attached to the generator which was removed. The generator fuel line was a larger diameter though so I really had to clamp it good on that valve.
Excellent work! I had a Webasto heater that was a factory option in my 1974 Volkswagen 412. That put out great heat! One small suggestion with the pipe hangers, add some Loctite to those clamp bolts. One other thing I might have done in the install, is use 2-1/2" to 3" 1/4-20 bolts at the corners of the mounting plate, instead of screws, then drill holes to match. Then pre-install the bolts in the plate corners before assembling the heater unit to it. That will make for a sturdy mount. Webasto heaters are not cheap, though... another RUclips channel [VANCITY VANLIFE] has a comparison between a Webasto and a knock off that is less than 1/4 the price.
I have been running a webasto coolant heater/ bunk heater in my diesel van for two years, had it in my semi truck for many years too. You just cant beat the low power consumption and then later turning the key to see the engine at 130 degree in minus 30 weather.
@@RVwithTito You just have to use it! Even when not required during warm months. With the diesel unit I run it once a week to keep carbon out while clearing the exhaust. On your build the only place i see potential issue is with the angle of the exhaust hose, hard to tell but could you angle it a bit more downward?
Great work, but... always put insulation around the exhaust pipe: from the RV inside to the expander. Safety 1st for both: overheating close by flamable materials (wood, foam, plastic are low temperature burn) and to protect the piping under the RV from flying stones and high velocity dust particles. Thank you for the great ideas and clean set up. (I'm now on your generator to fuel tank video😎👍)
I’m a little late seeing your video but gas heaters have been around for a long long time my first car was a 1960 Chevrolet Corvair and the only option on the car was the trunk mounted gas heater, and living in Wisconsin it was the perfect heater...
Nice job Brian, Those Webasto or Espar are very nice. I have a Webasto EVO 40 that is 13,600 BTU on my 20 feet class B, but I live in Canada and use my van in the winter. I am impressed that you have installed your heather yourself. Dont forget to run your unit every month or so even in the summer so that you don't have any gas drying up in the unit. If you can install a Webasto then your Ebook with tips for Boondocking must be good !
Thanks for picking up the ebook. I was originally going to get a larger unit like the EVO 40 but changed my mind late in the game to the 2000. So far I think it was the right choice.
Very well lit + clearly photographed video . Thank-You, Tito ! Sequencing was logical + succinct. So length of video is just right (not too long) 😅 Somehow, I missed seeing how You incorporated the MUFFLER into the installation. It would also be nice to know the prices paid for the Heater + all of the PARTS You added -- for those of us out here lacking experience. You did offer greatly appreciated detailed info on model features, add-ons & sourcing which I have never heard/seen anywhere else ....100s of videos later !! Thanks much for that great zoom in on the actual BRAND NAME ! For 2 years now, I've been confused as to whether it begins with Wo or Lo . Now I KNOW ......it's We / Webasto. You are one of the BEST DIY Presenters ever !!! ⭐ FYI : Regarding Vermin Control, how could the ducting hole in the floor which opens to outdoors be SEALed off ???
I'm running the cheap chinese diesel copy's since 2 years in my 34" class A and 22" class C. I guess you did a very good job with your install and i bet you will feel the difference not only on power usage, it's more like the very dry heat. They are producing so much dry heat if never had before. Totally new experience of 'dry' camping ;-) By the way, love all of your videos ... you are doing a great job !
The RV furnace produces just as dry as a heat as an electric space heater or in other words this gasoline heater would people have a misconception that because it is propane it will be releasing moisture into the RV there is a vent that goes out it exhausts the moisture and propane fumes outside so what you're left with is a very dry hot heat on the inside
Man,you have patience.)))Anyway,i'm european and i know webasto's since i was a child,they are pretty much on every bmw,mercedes,vw or any other european car who had an aditional heater instaled.Trust me,you made a great choice.Funny story about them,they instaled them on the engine and on the winter days they would make steam come out from the engine.People saw and called firefighters because they thought the engine was on fire.Not so funny for the firefighers but not many people knew about them.)))
Nice install. Way better than most could do. The heat insulation through the floor is exposed to the elements and will wick water up to your wood sub floor. Maybe a piece of insulated wood stove pipe and fire caulk. I would also make sure that snow and ice build up didn't hang on the exposed components underneath. Also, where you drilled holes for the supply vent tubing through the cabinets, the wood is very narrow and might chafe or cut through the vent tubing. I'm wondering what the current draw is for the furnace compared to the new unit. Great video !
Thanks for the tips. I'll keep an eye on those exposed areas. It's pretty protected from water and ice. I did also wrap all of the supply vent tubing with insulation all the way to the vent.
Hello from New Mexico, first off let me tell you that you did a very good installation and the only problem I can see is that the fuel pump needs to be mounted in between 15 and 35 degrees with the output higher than the input. Keep up the good work and stay safe
Horizontal is incorrect; yes, but in all the literature I've read there's no mention of a vertical 0 degree install has any negative effect, and most manuals indeed have 45deg angles. So the absolute accurate thing to say is: The fuel pump needs to be installed on any angle between 315 & 45 deg.
I installed one in my sailboat. Mine was a marine diesel unit,. I had no problem getting the Wabsco unit as I worked for a German company. I would of thought they would of had distribution in the US by now.
G`day Brian , I purchased a diesel heater 3 years back , i`m in my class A full time It had a propane heater but the condensation was bad the windows would fog up and the RV always smelled wet since the diesel heater (Same as your Gas heater ) Never had a drama , Rob NSW Australia Ps: Yes its bloody cold here at the moment 11c in the day and 2 c at night
As an added option may I suggest as an option is wrapping the exhaust pipe from where it comes out of unite all the way to muffler with exhaust wrap .. it will protect everything around it from getting to hot ,from exhaust pipe radiant heat ...
I installed a chinese version of the same heater in my van and it works flawlessly. I kicked the mr. buddy heater and the 20lb propane tank for a field goal. lol No more moisture/condensation issues and no more carbon monoxide!
Nice work! I put a diesel version of this on my boat and I love it so much I'm putting one in our RV as well. I'm not sure about your setup but on mine, I can tune the heat output as well as the max and minimum fan speed. It helps to make things a little more efficient at levelling out that heating curve and conserving fuel.
Very nice install Brian. I just made an offer on ebay for this same model that runs on diesel. My heat pump installed last winter will not keep up once my rig goes below freezing. This will be great! Thanks for the video.
I purchase one of these after reading so much and watching so many video's. Haven't installed it yet but I am tired of using the propane buddy heaters as I still can smell the fumes regardless of good air circulation. I'm also looking forward to drier heat and not having to wipe the windows after a night of propane heating.
Very professional install! I prefer my Webasto gas heater to my old propane heater as well however the cons need to be mentioned as well. The biggest being gas or diesel heater burners unlike LP require periodic cleaning from the carbon deposits.
Hey Brian! This is the best Webasto heater install I’ve seen so far! I love how you mounted it with the diverter piping to send the hot air in two directions! Also, mounting the new heater control along with your other controls looks very nice! The underside mounting on the coach was quite nice, too! Great job! ~Jim~
Great little Project love it looked so easy when you installed it, me it took 4 days..., co incidentally i added such heater a year ago to my 24 ft rv and it works fine..for those who are concered i add some experience i made: Ordered a Russian Planar 2 D heater ( with E3 safety approval) with manual adjustment ( temp, power, blower adjust) its a 500 bucks Diesel heater ( but also Gas is available and versions 4 or 8 kW or even water heaters) - # 1 reason i bought this it has an elevation kit built in and operates up to 2000 m above sea Level ( yes we wintercamp in the mountains) - installed it into the double Floor ( silent and heats the floor as well) - installed the airintake and exhaust pointing backwards and side wards so driving / heating no issue and wind from exhaust side will not bring a one way draft thru the heater and blow off as result - i inclined the fuel pump 5% upwards to the heater ( acc spec) - installed a external sensor( 20 bucks) at Body height in the RV so temp control auto is easy and accurate - Protected the fuelline with hose wire protection. ( Marten eats it otherwise) - insulated the blower pipes ( hose) so no heatloss - OP verdict runs at 0,8 amp steady state ( start much higher 4-5 min) noise is 36 dba as i installed it and can heat the 24 footer up to 16-17 ° C when Out side its 0 ° C . If i close the door half way within the RV the frontpart , dinette kitchen has 21-22 ° C , sleeping area 11-14 just perfect..for larger Rvs i would suggest 4 kw or more. Its Important to Loop the air in the room you want to heat, since there are also outside box Installations available. - one thing drill a hole into the lowest point of the muffler to drain condensation lpd Some additional facts: My 24 ft Rv with warm water heating System needed 6 h from 0 -20 °C now 2 hours + ( added 2 USB Fans as well to blow air back and forth) - at 0 ° C you can heat 3- 4 days ( Part time) evening /morning with 5 l of fuel - in the Summer " get the chill out for breakfast and Dinner 5 L would last 2-3 weeks ...Apart from Solar and Lithium Batts. the best add i made..obviously you to👍
Well, another project that's been "Titofied!". As always Brian- Well Done, sir! I'm so cheap (inside my head I call it Yankee Frugal- it makes me feel a little less dirty) that I want to try the 'cheap Chinese heater' that I've seen so many videos on. Everyone seems to have put on a few seasons now (early convertors at least) with very good success, and, there are enough in service to allow forum like problem solving for future issues. I really like the very low amperage draw of those CCH's after the glow plug is hot- the fan doesn't seem to be a heavy user? Tilting the fuel pump (Yes, I HAVE watched your follow up, Brian!) and some minor configuration issues addressed- what's NOT to love? Thank you again for tackling it, but- I've gotta ax- Why Webasto? You Da Man!
My propane heater made more noise after I changed my lead battery to lithium. I dropped voltage for heater using electric heater pad as resistor. Now it is much better, but it is still noisy and it is chance for voltage goes too low. Gas heater is a good option and maybe I do this for my next RV. Thank you for detail DIY guide
I suggest using Marine quality fuel Line or Stainless Braided line, & a quality see thru filter . Use hi temp Silicone on exhost slip connections . Check for insulation burnout through Floor. If u got the money, get a FAA CERTIFIED Heater, used on Jets. Their built so there is no chance of exhost leak, or failure at a high Altitude. Good Video.
Have one of the diesel ones in my big truck and you cant run it with the heat all the way up even if its way below zero because it will run you out of the truck they work that good
@@RVwithTito 😆The main thing is you stay warm. It is highly recommended stuff, reliable, low consumption and in the meantime via app control very comfortable. In more than 20 years with "Webasto" I had only one issue with. Actually "Truma" Combi 4 with boiler ( Propane version). I'll stick link for my DIY Solar system for eventual inspiration. Attention, highly showing off...😆✌ ruclips.net/video/QmBl9aft9Jg/видео.html
I really enjoy your videos and I especially like your gas heater install. While I was watching I noticed a potential problem.At the 8:15 point in the video shows the gas line laying up against the metal frame.With vehicle vibration this rubber fuel line could wear through causing a leak and potentially a fire.
Nice Job, Only thing I would suggest is wrapping the exhaust with heat tape made just for that. Pull heater out of floor and start the wrap right where pipe comes out of heater. Protects the flooring from fire. That is the hottest part. GOOD LUCK 👍. Vinny 🇺🇸
Have 35 years experience with both Espar and Webasto heaters on boats. If you can incorporate a filter on the intake, do it. It will keep the unit cleaner and efficient.
I like that you always do a professional looking install. Nothing is worse then wishing you had done a better job in the beginning. Vixen RVs came standard with the Diesel version Webasto. There is one thing you might consider. On boats fuel and exhaust lines are double clamped because of vibration. Nice job 👍.
I used to have an optional gasoline heater that was offered for Chevy Corvairs, it worked great and barely sipped gasoline, unfortunately somebody wanted it and stole it, apparently these heating units are fairly rare and very hard to find, mine was NOS just like brand new
A couple things I thought I'd mention: 1- the some of the fuel clamps are not tight. That will lead to air entering the fuel like. You'll get fault codes 1 and 2 when that happens. 2- You are using some oversized exhaust that attaches to the correct exhaust. You can purchase the correct exhaust by the meter. But since you have what you have, you should use high-temp RTV to seal the joints between the proper and the larger exhaust. Fumes can accumulate under the RV, then enter the RV. You might wake up dead one dday. 3- Looks like a good install, and I'm glad you didn't go with a bargain basement chinese knock-off. They have basically no safety built in, and no customer support.
Great vlog, not my thing generally to watch, but very well explained and filmed, one thing which is always apparent is men love tinkering. We are lost without these challenges. Well done enjoyed it enormously. Matt
Hint,? If you end up with a fuel feed intermittent problem, try angling the fuel filter pointing about 15° up. Maybe newer filters do not mind, but from past experience, partly to do with any debris collected, and air trapped, in the filter body it can make the fuel flow hiccup. Older small fuel pumps had a similar problem, it means there is always fuel in the in-coming side of the pump if the heater was to draw some fuel after the pump is switched off.
This is the way! Been using a no moisture introduced Chinese diesel heater in my auto hauler conversion for 3 years. But I've used this brand in semi trucks for gazillions of nights. I'm thinking the gas version would be less maintenance.
I had a Webasto gas heater years ago in my VW. It worked great till the glow plug got about 2 years old making it difficult to get it to start. So if yours uses a glow plug like mine make sure you have a couple extra on hand. That was the only maintenance I ever did on it and I used it about 10+ years.
Love your videos. Any way you could produce a full tour of your RV and a brief description on what you've done? I looked for it in your search function but was unable to find one. Thanks. You are quite the "Silent Professional" at cabinet making.
Ordered a heater kit and currently installing it. I think i will really like it and not have all the wet windows that happen when i heat with propane. Thanks again for your video. I have a 2013 Thor Citation 30 foot class C
This is the first video of yours I've watched. you do a great job not only with your technical installation but breaking the video into easily digestible sections. Thanks for sharing your work and making such a good production video to watch
They're actually really easy to find. You just need to head to a truck shop near you. Webasto and espar I pretty much the two main brands used in semis
The fuel pump should be at a 35 degree angle, I have the Chinese copy, and it all looks the same , so set to pump on a angle so it works right.. I does keep the RV nice a warm .. good luck
All you have to do is look up and Truck dealer in the N.part of USA or Canada. We used them a lot up North. Plus when you have time buy more flex tubes. You will need them.
Propex propane heaters work with a heat exchanger just like diesel heaters, so no moisture is added to the interior. Also, Propex heaters are maintenance-free, unlike diesel heaters. Your Webasto running on gasoline should not soot up as much as a diesel heater, however. Most diesel-heater burn chambers must be cleaned of soot at least once a year. They both make good options.
Great video! Will be helpful when I install mine. At 8:17, your fuel line crosses a piece of angle iron. Im worried that while you drive, that fuel line will rub against the angle iron and start to leak. I'd put a piece of rubber fuel line over it to protect the fuel line.
I have been running one of these to supliment, the propane furnace, when winter hits in my 32 foot class c. I added a 12.5 gallon marine fuel tank as the 15l tank is too small when the real cold weather sets in. I am currently warm and toasty in -15 weather, it also uses way less battery power than the propane furnace, I use both to make sure my underfloor tanks stay heated.
I have a diesel version in my sprinter, love it, they also make a diesel fueled hotplate, please check your instructions mine said to mount fuel pump on an angle.
Had one on a semi I drove, never considered it for my 5th wheel. Thinking of installing one in my pass through storage and out my genie exhaust (removing my genie anyway, dont use it and hate exhaust fumes inside rv). Great vid
I found that camping in humid ereas the extern intake bring a lot of humidity to the van. So made it possible to shift the intake from extern to intern recycling.
As he said, external intake that's underbody, is for the combustion chamber. Which is where you want it to be. The heaters intake is in-cabin behind the grill re-installed at the 13:00 min mark. Why you'd install the heater's intake to draw from outside & constantly heat the cold air, is not efficent & why you were pulling in damp air.
Brian, I did not see or hear if you have removed your propane furnace. Did you? Or is that next when you are confidence with the gasoline heater? I put one of the Chinese diesel heaters on my shuttle bus conversion and it worked great. I am thinking the same for my newly renovated Class C.
That's right. I haven't removed the old one yet. I'll use the gas heater through the winter then decide. My gut tells me that I'll have no more use for the LP heater.
Tito, you're killing me... every great video you make it requires drilling, cutting, making holes on the roof and now on the floor..... ahhhrrrrrrr I am to afraid to make holes in my RV. Great video and thanks for sharing .
That is part of the job to add things n to remodel, it goes with construction work, if you mess up or need to take out or move something later, easy to fix holes n n parts of walls you cut, just use metal n really good water proof cocking n other material to fix it, there are times i took out or moved things for different reasons n had to fix holes in different areas, easy to fix it for me n do construction work cause i did it for years n used many different types of construction material n learn many different things working with many different construction workers n what i learned on my own n from Jesus, also i have many different types of tools n know how to use them, this helps a lot to have lots of tools that come in handy if you do mechanic n construction work
Great Job (as always) Who else has wound up with order that wasn't exact, operator error not withstanding! That wearable work light was pretty cool and sleek. Any information on that? Great Video!
About your fuel filter problem. A few years ago I found out that in line fuel filters were made specifically for either pressure through OR pulling through. Don't know if that had anything to do with your problem, but thought might be a piece of info that would be handy sometime. One other concern is, are your water lines run close to your original heat ducts? (Dont know your set-up) Some are to help prevent freezing.
Those are pretty slick heaters. I've heard of fuel pump and heat exchanger issues, but those seem to be have been easily worked out. I've been considering a similar heater for our Trailmanor. I just need to figure out how and where I want to mount the tank. I would love to be able to fill the tank from the outside but if you've seen a Trailmanor you have an idea about difficult that would be. I'll just have to accept that I have to use a gas can. Great post as usual. Safe travels.
Very nice upgrade! Congratulations. We just got back from Yellowstone and Grant Teton National Park and we used our heater a lot but like you Said, it does generate a lot of moisture
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When I run wires, I usually use a shop vac and suck a ribbon through the path I want to run the wires, super easy and almost always works
Great tip. Will definitely give that one a try.
@@davebaker9128 brilliant 👍
You go above and beyond.
Most people are not brave enough to take on such projects.
Bravo!
Thanks! Always up for a challenge.
@@RVwithTito Stay safe
Hello, I am a manufacturer of parking heaters in China. Nice to meet you.
As a trucker I can assure you these are fantastic
Thanks for the info. So far I'm really liking how well it works.
I've seen this installed before and I'm now determined to remove my big RV propane heater and put one in for next winter. The existing uses far to much propane which is harder to source that diesel fuel and the RV heater's blower uses far to much power. So much so it is problematic using while boondocking off the grid. I am seriously considering mounting it and fuel pump underneath the floor of the RV (outside) to further isolate the noise levels. Thank you, No Name for your comment.
Hey I used to be a crane mechanic and I rebuilt those webasto heaters all the time they are great heaters and super easy to work on they last years with out needing to be rebuilt just don’t store for long times with fuel in them like any other motor and service manuals are easily obtainable
A couple of notes on the combustion air and combustion exhaust: The general principle of getting ENOUGH throughput is important for assuring that the combustion process is complete (at high enough temp). The fans are designed to work with a minimally restricted duct, so be sure that the supply and exhaust meet the manufacturer's specs for diameter, length, and total bends in hoses. Aftermarket has filters for intake hose, and you probably want to fashion a wire screen over the exhaust in order to prevent bugs from making nests. Wasps seem to love my camper as much as I do, from paper wasps to the dirt dobber kind. If the throughput for combustion gets restricted, the inside of the heater will soot up, although the gasoline versions may not be as susceptible as the diesel units. Lastly, be sure to have a check sheet for operation of the heater that includes checking the status of your carbon monoxide detector weekly in heating season, and have multiple detectors if sleeping compartments are not close and exchanging air. Next, a warning on the heating supply and exhaust: blocking either supply or exhaust of heating air will cause overheat of the unit.Therefore, alert all inhabitants of the importance of not blocking them with suitcases or other objects. The confined nature of rv living can sometimes cause us to 'load up the space', so it may be helpful (if slightly unattractive) to post warning stickers of "Do NOT block this passage".
Any older pilot is familiar with the Avgas powered cabin heaters installed in piston aircraft since the early 1960’s. They worked very well and were quite safe. These newer gasoline heaters draw from those old Aviation gasoline cabin heaters with the much advanced electronic controls. I will be installing one of these on my truck camper. Great video, thank you sir.
You're very welcome! I still use this guy. It's a must-have this time of year.
I've used Webasto in my trucks for years. Excellent units. Very economical and very effective.
We agree!
The fuel pump has to point upwards at least 15 degrees so air does not build up in the lines. A downpipe spout inserted from the top and bottom and cut so they will join in the middle makes a really tidy detail on for the hole.
Webasto has been making diesel-fired heating systems for RVs for years and they're well respected. This little gas unit is sweet! Love how the control box fit your panel so well. Isn't it nice when a plan comes together? :)
Great video, Brian. Thanks again.
Yes. I considered all options and was felt the best about Webasto. I popped out the generator runtime meter and put the heater control in its place. I my get a black sharpie and color in the edges to make it blend better.
I got a Chinese diesel heater that is just like this 2 years ago. I live in my camper full time and have used it for 2 years only problem had a glow plugs go bad and only cost me $170 for the heater and $10 for the replacement glow plug. I use about 10 dollars of diesel a week.
which one did you buy?
@@ancienttechnology7337 The one's I've seen are on Amazon or eBay and mostly, they appear to be unbranded (or branded by a distributor) and all made in similar factories. Just search for "diesel air heater" and you can add the size you want too (2 or 5 kw). Note that they are replicas of the Eberspacher so they are a bit different than the Webasto inside but otherwise, seem to be very similar.
There are complaints about the noise level of the fuel pump cycling on\off on some of these.
Great video, nice detail and explanation. I installed the diesel version in my truck camper about a month ago and added an extra vent like you did. Nice dry heat. I can't believe RV manufacturers aren't installing these at the factory.
I'm loving it too. So glad I installed it.
I don't even have an RV but I couldn't help but watch this Super great presentation.
Nice neat job. These heaters are very popular in Europe and I’ve had a few over the years. Two bits of advice for anyone else thinking of fitting one.
1) cheap Chinese knock off look good value but some are not built very well in the heat exchanger and can leak fumes into warm air.
2) No matter which brand you fit alway instal a good quality Carbon Monoxide monitor that is loud enough to wake you up. Even the best brand can fail and that monitor might save your life.
Thanks for the tips!
Great job. You won’t be sorry you switched over to a webasto heater.
I’m running Webasto air top 2000 at the front of our class a and an Espar d4 in the rear. Best decision I ever made. Remember
warm wife = happy wife = happy life
Cheers
Sounds great! Totally agree.
How big is your class A that you run two heaters or do you live in cold winter weather in your rv
We are 35 ft long. One Webasto diesel heater heats the front cab area. The second one espar d4 heats the back bedroom, bathroom and the basement. We also have a 30,000 btu propane furnace to heat the main kitchen area and the front part of the basement. Originally the Motorhome came with 2 - 30000 btu propane furnaces. The back furnace never worked properly so I removed it and installed a Espar d4 diesel heater. Both diesel heaters hardly use any fuel and very little electricity to run.
We do not live in it full time but we travel done south in the winter from Canada for 4 months. That was until this covid thing happened. Don’t know when we can travel south again
Cold bed = the more wife is forced to snuggle up to man furnace for some friggin heat
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for dry camping I used to use 1 or 2 electric space heaters with thermostats and a generator. I could not stand the noise of the LP furnace when it kicked on it woke me up every time. This unit looks great.
I would typically run a space heater when temps dropped below 45 degF. Now I've been running this 24/7 even while my RV is parked at home and not even plugged in. Lovin it so far.
@@RVwithTito I was always scared to run the propane type heat sources. I have turned on 2-4 burners on the stove... just above low to make it through the night or had a naphtha stove in the corner on low-med in my Campers with a couple windows cracked 1/4 inch but I never slept well. I found spending money on fuel for my generator and using a high quality electric space heater put my mind at ease. Safety is more important than anything else. I think it depends on the situation and sometimes you don't have a choice but you should know the risks of all the choices.
Pretty awesome. About 15 years ago I worked for Daimler Commercial Busses North America and many of the Busses had Webasto diesel heaters. They worked on a timer so that the bus would be warm when a driver started his shift in the morning.
That's pretty nice. I haven't set the timer yet, but I do keep it at a consistent temp.
Always love your videos. To me you are showing us how to set up our mobile homes to be self sufficient vs the older mentality of having all the creature comforts with hookups and non efficiencies
Thanks for watching. Yes. Self sufficiency is the goal here.
I've been using a Webasto for over 10 years/ 5000 hours, then i have to replace the device. the combustion chamber was broken. i bought a new model from webasto, easy to install. Have Fun! :-)
how big is your camper? Do you use it in below freezing weather? I’m trying to decide if these heaters will be more fuel efficient than a small 20,000 btu propane fireplace
I have been fascinated by the cheap ones,...Guessing that the gas ones wont soot up like the diesel ones can. Thanks for taking the time for the vids neighbor. When I got my toyhauler years ago, first mod.. move thermostat to bedroom, easy to turn on (up) heat before getting out of bed. The manufacturer had the thermostat wall mounted almost directly over the furnace.... :(
We usually look at each other in the morning and wonder who's going to get up and turn on the heat :) Now I'll just let it run through the night.
Actually, it is prone to more soot buildup than the Diesel equivalent.
Great hack, I had a gas heater in my first car a 1960 Corvair, it was the only option on the car! This will be a good addition to our 1991 Aero Cruiser since we remove the power guzzling propane furnace and wall mounted Wave radiating heater. The Wave does produce significant humidity so we will definitely pursue this option, thanks.
Seems like a typical progression. Buddy heater to Wave Heater to Gas/Diesel Heater.
Webasto diesel heaters are awesome!
I ran a trucking company in the US and Europe for over 20 years. Not one Webasto heater ever failed, not a single one. Espar were junk in comparison.
I have not seen a gas/petrol version before. Awesome setup 👍🏻
Thanks for the info! That's great to hear. Looking forward to years of trouble free heating. I'm glad they have a gas one. It made it the perfect solution for me.
Incredibly in depth video! Thinking about making a small camper in my truck bed and using one of these webasto heaters so we can get out in the winter.
Glad it was helpful!
Brian: You are so ingenious and very handy . You are busy with your work and your RV . Don’t forget to seal the hole when the heating is completed . Don’t invite mice and bugs in the RV ! I don’t have a RV . I often watch your RV videos and other related videos . I also hope to become a person with a RV in the future 。I wish you a happy autumn !
That's the plan! Thanks.
@@RVwithTito Yes, you are smart. I know you will. I just made a joke with you 。
Great Idea Im considering adding one to my Class A motorhome as in a "Full Timer".. I hate this propane Furnace I currently have..
I hate mine too. Good luck!
The ability to regulate the fan down as it nears the target temperature is a fantastic feature alone.
Take an amp reading again when the fan slows down for battery savings.... It may also reduce the heat to a lower temp thus even less fuel consumption
Really nice unit and idea you had....good call :)
The gasoline line to the Onan is plumbed to stop at 1/4 tank to keep you from running your fuel tank empty.
I've been running it for the last three days. When heating mode is enable, but not heating, the fan still moves a tiny bit of air and draws about 0.5A. When low and close to temp it draws about 1.1A. At full strength, it draws roughly 2.2A. Of course, the fuel draw is proportional to that. At max, it's been consuming just over 1 gallon of gas in 24 hrs. It's not that cold here yet though with overnight temps around 45-55 deg F.
@@RVwithTito good luck! THe most difficult job I had as a mechanic at a dealership was completely rewiring everything behind the dash of an almost new car. A gas heater had been installed, it leaked, and things went up fast at the 7-11. The fire was quickly put out but everything behind the dash roasted. Insurance co refused to total the car since it was only a couple months old. That was a German car and heater.
You're very talented. I suggest you add a rub guard to the fuel line where it is in contact to the body or frame. Rubbing could occur over time causing it to fail. Very good work. Like your vlogs. Keep them coming.
I plan to cover up that line. Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
@@joeboxter3635 I am always so impressed with Brian's creativity and technical content in his videos. I want to know his background, too. I speculate that he is an electrical engineer by training. Am I right? @Rv with Tito DIY
@@RVwithTito I also don't know why they want your to bring in COLD air into the intake why not have that inside and reheat the warm air???
@@RVingwithG the cold air intake is just for the combustion air, the air for the interior is drawn from one side of the heater, across the exchanger and out the discharge line.
@@RVingwithG I questioned this too when installing A/C on schools but the kids need fresh air. :-). if you only recirculate you will end up with higher CO2 levels.
That's what I really need to know. I have a 17 ft shuttle bus that I and building at this point. And it's regular gas. Thank you very much I enjoy your videos
You're welcome. I recently discovered a US distributor in Virginia that sells them, plus parts and service. www.vmacs.net. I've been running mine 24/7 since making this video without any issues. Good luck with your build!
FYI. Mounting the fuel pump in a horizontal attitude can result in an air bubble in the pump and eventually corrosion. (premature failure). Mount the fuel pump with the exit in a slightly upward attitude so any air evacuates the pump.
Thanks. I've since tilted it up a bit.
I saw that also and was going to comment till I saw yours it states in the manual to set it on a specific angle. Nice build good luck
Bought a heater from Heatso 4 years ago on a Thursday, was delivered to me the following Monday, no duty was charged and a Customs documentation showed up a few days later. Shipping for heater was less than 50 bucks. Would not hesitate to order from them in future.
That's good to know. I would have ordered from them if I couldn't find it quicker. Prices look good too.
_No matter the brand, gasoline, or diesel glad to see you have one. They are a game-changer! One question, though, that line you connected to doesn't have a pump that fed your old genny, right? You don't want to force-feed those meter pumps. They're designed to only pump about .02 ml per cycle._
T J cool, I didn’t know either! Thanks for the information.
No. The pump was actually attached to the generator which was removed. The generator fuel line was a larger diameter though so I really had to clamp it good on that valve.
These heaters are very efficient . I've got one in my Rig. Uses about 1gal. Fuel every 10 hrs
Yeah. We're loving it. It's burning about 1.5 gal per day in our rig.
Excellent work! I had a Webasto heater that was a factory option in my 1974 Volkswagen 412. That put out great heat! One small suggestion with the pipe hangers, add some Loctite to those clamp bolts. One other thing I might have done in the install, is use 2-1/2" to 3" 1/4-20 bolts at the corners of the mounting plate, instead of screws, then drill holes to match. Then pre-install the bolts in the plate corners before assembling the heater unit to it. That will make for a sturdy mount. Webasto heaters are not cheap, though... another RUclips channel [VANCITY VANLIFE] has a comparison between a Webasto and a knock off that is less than 1/4 the price.
I have been running a webasto coolant heater/ bunk heater in my diesel van for two years, had it in my semi truck for many years too.
You just cant beat the low power consumption and then later turning the key to see the engine at 130 degree in minus 30 weather.
Makes me feel better that I went with a Webasto. Thanks. Someone else told me they've been running a webasto gas model for 9 years with no issues.
@@RVwithTito
You just have to use it! Even when not required during warm months.
With the diesel unit I run it once a week to keep carbon out while clearing the exhaust.
On your build the only place i see potential issue is with the angle of the exhaust hose, hard to tell but could you angle it a bit more downward?
It’s hard to believe that you can find more things to modify, on the most modified class C Motorhome, but you do. Great work.
Lots more to come 😀
Great work, but... always put insulation around the exhaust pipe: from the RV inside to the expander. Safety 1st for both: overheating close by flamable materials (wood, foam, plastic are low temperature burn) and to protect the piping under the RV from flying stones and high velocity dust particles. Thank you for the great ideas and clean set up. (I'm now on your generator to fuel tank video😎👍)
I’m a little late seeing your video but gas heaters have been around for a long long time my first car was a 1960 Chevrolet Corvair and the only option on the car was the trunk mounted gas heater, and living in Wisconsin it was the perfect heater...
Nice job Brian, Those Webasto or Espar are very nice. I have a Webasto EVO 40 that is 13,600 BTU on my 20 feet class B, but I live in Canada and use my van in the winter. I am impressed that you have installed your heather yourself. Dont forget to run your unit every month or so even in the summer so that you don't have any gas drying up in the unit.
If you can install a Webasto then your Ebook with tips for Boondocking must be good !
Thanks for picking up the ebook. I was originally going to get a larger unit like the EVO 40 but changed my mind late in the game to the 2000. So far I think it was the right choice.
@@RVwithTito I am sure you will be happy with the air top 2000.
Very well lit + clearly photographed video . Thank-You, Tito ! Sequencing was logical + succinct. So length of video is just right (not too long) 😅
Somehow, I missed seeing how You incorporated the MUFFLER into the installation. It would also be nice to know the prices paid for the Heater + all of the PARTS You added -- for those of us out here lacking experience. You did offer greatly appreciated detailed info on model features, add-ons & sourcing
which I have never heard/seen anywhere else ....100s of videos later !! Thanks much for that great zoom in on the actual BRAND NAME ! For 2 years now, I've been confused as to whether it begins with Wo or Lo . Now I KNOW
......it's We / Webasto. You are one of the BEST DIY Presenters ever !!! ⭐
FYI : Regarding Vermin Control, how could the ducting hole in the floor which opens to outdoors be SEALed off ???
I like how you explained how you did the fuel supply. Most videos I’ve seem don’t explain how they ran that part.
Great. I've made an adjustment recently. Check out my Community page for a current picture.
I'm running the cheap chinese diesel copy's since 2 years in my 34" class A and 22" class C. I guess you did a very good job with your install and i bet you will feel the difference not only on power usage, it's more like the very dry heat. They are producing so much dry heat if never had before. Totally new experience of 'dry' camping ;-) By the way, love all of your videos ... you are doing a great job !
The RV furnace produces just as dry as a heat as an electric space heater or in other words this gasoline heater would people have a misconception that because it is propane it will be releasing moisture into the RV there is a vent that goes out it exhausts the moisture and propane fumes outside so what you're left with is a very dry hot heat on the inside
Man,you have patience.)))Anyway,i'm european and i know webasto's since i was a child,they are pretty much on every bmw,mercedes,vw or any other european car who had an aditional heater instaled.Trust me,you made a great choice.Funny story about them,they instaled them on the engine and on the winter days they would make steam come out from the engine.People saw and called firefighters because they thought the engine was on fire.Not so funny for the firefighers but not many people knew about them.)))
Thanks for that information. It's really good to know that about Webasto. Funny story about the steam 😀👍
This is the kinda cat you always wanna make sure your nice to when projects like these arise😅. Good job man, 👏. Looks pro as hell.
Nice install. Way better than most could do. The heat insulation through the floor is exposed to the elements and will wick water up to your wood sub floor. Maybe a piece of insulated wood stove pipe and fire caulk. I would also make sure that snow and ice build up didn't hang on the exposed components underneath.
Also, where you drilled holes for the supply vent tubing through the cabinets, the wood is very narrow and might chafe or cut through the vent tubing.
I'm wondering what the current draw is for the furnace compared to the new unit.
Great video !
Thanks for the tips. I'll keep an eye on those exposed areas. It's pretty protected from water and ice. I did also wrap all of the supply vent tubing with insulation all the way to the vent.
Love the gasoline and propane versions and not the diesel, because the diesel types need routine cleanings to maintain efficiency. Good job. Thanks!
Great point!
A gas fired furnace would never need any maintenance
Hello from New Mexico, first off let me tell you that you did a very good installation and the only problem I can see is that the fuel pump needs to be mounted in between 15 and 35 degrees with the output higher than the input. Keep up the good work and stay safe
Horizontal is incorrect; yes, but in all the literature I've read there's no mention of a vertical 0 degree install has any negative effect, and most manuals indeed have 45deg angles. So the absolute accurate thing to say is:
The fuel pump needs to be installed on any angle between 315 & 45 deg.
This would be perfect into tapping into the extra fuel tanks on a toy hauler. Thanks for all the great ideas!
I installed one in my sailboat. Mine was a marine diesel unit,. I had no problem getting the Wabsco unit as I worked for a German company. I would of thought they would of had distribution in the US by now.
They do have a US division I believe.
G`day Brian , I purchased a diesel heater 3 years back , i`m in my class A full time It had a propane heater but the condensation was bad the windows would fog up and the RV always smelled wet since the diesel heater (Same as your Gas heater ) Never had a drama ,
Rob
NSW
Australia
Ps: Yes its bloody cold here at the moment 11c in the day and 2 c at night
As an added option may I suggest as an option is wrapping the exhaust pipe from where it comes out of unite all the way to muffler with exhaust wrap .. it will protect everything around it from getting to hot ,from exhaust pipe radiant heat ...
Truck House Life does a really good install video of a webasto heater..
I installed a chinese version of the same heater in my van and it works flawlessly. I kicked the mr. buddy heater and the 20lb propane tank for a field goal. lol No more moisture/condensation issues and no more carbon monoxide!
Nice work! I put a diesel version of this on my boat and I love it so much I'm putting one in our RV as well. I'm not sure about your setup but on mine, I can tune the heat output as well as the max and minimum fan speed. It helps to make things a little more efficient at levelling out that heating curve and conserving fuel.
Very nice install Brian. I just made an offer on ebay for this same model that runs on diesel. My heat pump installed last winter will not keep up once my rig goes below freezing. This will be great! Thanks for the video.
I purchase one of these after reading so much and watching so many video's. Haven't installed it yet but I am tired of using the propane buddy heaters as I still can smell the fumes regardless of good air circulation. I'm also looking forward to drier heat and not having to wipe the windows after a night of propane heating.
Yeah. My wife was very sensitive to the smell of the little buddy also which prevented me from using it much lately. Now it will heat my shop :)
Very professional install! I prefer my Webasto gas heater to my old propane heater as well however the cons need to be mentioned as well. The biggest being gas or diesel heater burners unlike LP require periodic cleaning from the carbon deposits.
How often do you have to clean your gas heater?
Hey Brian! This is the best Webasto heater install I’ve seen so far! I love how you mounted it with the diverter piping to send the hot air in two directions! Also, mounting the new heater control along with your other controls looks very nice! The underside mounting on the coach was quite nice, too! Great job! ~Jim~
Thanks Jim. Love this heater. It's a game changer in winter.
Great little Project love it looked so easy when you installed it, me it took 4 days..., co incidentally i added such heater a year ago to my 24 ft rv and it works fine..for those who are concered i add some experience i made:
Ordered a Russian Planar 2 D heater ( with E3 safety approval) with manual adjustment ( temp, power, blower adjust) its a 500 bucks Diesel heater ( but also Gas is available and versions 4 or 8 kW or even water heaters)
- # 1 reason i bought this it has an elevation kit built in and operates up to 2000 m above sea Level ( yes we wintercamp in the mountains)
- installed it into the double Floor ( silent and heats the floor as well)
- installed the airintake and exhaust pointing backwards and side wards so driving / heating no issue and wind from exhaust side will not bring a one way draft thru the heater and blow off as result
- i inclined the fuel pump 5% upwards to the heater ( acc spec)
- installed a external sensor( 20 bucks) at Body height in the RV so temp control auto is easy and accurate
- Protected the fuelline with hose wire protection. ( Marten eats it otherwise)
- insulated the blower pipes ( hose) so no heatloss
- OP verdict runs at 0,8 amp steady state ( start much higher 4-5 min) noise is 36 dba as i installed it and can heat the 24 footer up to 16-17 ° C when Out side its 0 ° C .
If i close the door half way within the RV the frontpart , dinette kitchen has 21-22 ° C , sleeping area 11-14 just perfect..for larger Rvs i would suggest 4 kw or more.
Its Important to Loop the air in the room you want to heat, since there are also outside box Installations available.
- one thing drill a hole into the lowest point of the muffler to drain condensation lpd
Some additional facts:
My 24 ft Rv with warm water heating System needed 6 h from 0 -20 °C now 2 hours + ( added 2 USB Fans as well to blow air back and forth)
- at 0 ° C you can heat 3- 4 days ( Part time) evening /morning with 5 l of fuel
- in the Summer " get the chill out for breakfast and Dinner 5 L would last 2-3 weeks
...Apart from Solar and Lithium Batts. the best add i made..obviously you to👍
Well, another project that's been "Titofied!". As always Brian- Well Done, sir! I'm so cheap (inside my head I call it Yankee Frugal- it makes me feel a little less dirty) that I want to try the 'cheap Chinese heater' that I've seen so many videos on. Everyone seems to have put on a few seasons now (early convertors at least) with very good success, and, there are enough in service to allow forum like problem solving for future issues. I really like the very low amperage draw of those CCH's after the glow plug is hot- the fan doesn't seem to be a heavy user? Tilting the fuel pump (Yes, I HAVE watched your follow up, Brian!) and some minor configuration issues addressed- what's NOT to love? Thank you again for tackling it, but- I've gotta ax- Why Webasto? You Da Man!
My propane heater made more noise after I changed my lead battery to lithium. I dropped voltage for heater using electric heater pad as resistor. Now it is much better, but it is still noisy and it is chance for voltage goes too low. Gas heater is a good option and maybe I do this for my next RV. Thank you for detail DIY guide
I suggest using Marine quality fuel Line or Stainless Braided line, & a quality see thru filter . Use hi temp Silicone on exhost slip connections . Check for insulation burnout through Floor.
If u got the money, get a FAA CERTIFIED Heater, used on Jets.
Their built so there is no chance of exhost leak, or failure at a high Altitude. Good Video.
Thanks for the info. I have wrapped and coated the exhaust with high temp silicon spray.
Someone is going to get one sweet RV if you ever sell this thing! You've made so many upgrades.
Probably never going to happen :) I'll add it to my will.
Have one of the diesel ones in my big truck and you cant run it with the heat all the way up even if its way below zero because it will run you out of the truck they work that good
Wow ! 2021 and USA is discovering "Webasto" , "Truma" and " Alde". You are still not lost😉.
Yeah...a little late to the party eh? :)
@@RVwithTito 😆The main thing is you stay warm. It is highly recommended stuff, reliable, low consumption and in the meantime via app control very comfortable. In more than 20 years with "Webasto" I had only one issue with. Actually "Truma" Combi 4 with boiler ( Propane version). I'll stick link for my DIY Solar system for eventual inspiration. Attention, highly showing off...😆✌
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I really enjoy your videos and I especially like your gas heater install. While I was watching I noticed a potential problem.At the 8:15 point in the video shows the gas line laying up against the metal frame.With vehicle vibration this rubber fuel line could wear through causing a leak and potentially a fire.
Yes. That was fixed shortly after install.
I didn’t know these came in a gasoline version. I thought only diesel. This is excellent!
I think only the Webasto has a gas model.
Brian, great work. I keep sharing this with friends.
Awesome, thank you!
Nice Job, Only thing I would suggest is wrapping the exhaust with heat tape made just for that. Pull heater out of floor and start the wrap right where pipe comes out of heater. Protects the flooring from fire. That is the hottest part. GOOD LUCK 👍. Vinny 🇺🇸
I've already wrapped the entire exhaust. Yes. It makes a big difference 👍
Have 35 years experience with both Espar and Webasto heaters on boats. If you can incorporate a filter on the intake, do it. It will keep the unit cleaner and efficient.
Thanks for the tip!
I like that you always do a professional looking install. Nothing is worse then wishing you had done a better job in the beginning. Vixen RVs came standard with the Diesel version Webasto. There is one thing you might consider. On boats fuel and exhaust lines are double clamped because of vibration. Nice job 👍.
Thanks! I appreciate the suggestion.
I used to have an optional gasoline heater that was offered for Chevy Corvairs, it worked great and barely sipped gasoline, unfortunately somebody wanted it and stole it, apparently these heating units are fairly rare and very hard to find, mine was NOS just like brand new
We have a propane version of this from Propex . Works great. It eliminates the usual humidity issue with propane.
A couple things I thought I'd mention:
1- the some of the fuel clamps are not tight. That will lead to air entering the fuel like. You'll get fault codes 1 and 2 when that happens.
2- You are using some oversized exhaust that attaches to the correct exhaust. You can purchase the correct exhaust by the meter. But since you have what you have, you should use high-temp RTV to seal the joints between the proper and the larger exhaust. Fumes can accumulate under the RV, then enter the RV. You might wake up dead one dday.
3- Looks like a good install, and I'm glad you didn't go with a bargain basement chinese knock-off. They have basically no safety built in, and no customer support.
Great vlog, not my thing generally to watch, but very well explained and filmed, one thing which is always apparent is men love tinkering. We are lost without these challenges. Well done enjoyed it enormously. Matt
Thanks for the great feedback Matt. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Cheers. Brian
Hint,?
If you end up with a fuel feed intermittent problem, try angling the fuel filter pointing about 15° up.
Maybe newer filters do not mind, but from past experience, partly to do with any debris collected, and air trapped, in the filter body it can make the fuel flow hiccup.
Older small fuel pumps had a similar problem, it means there is always fuel in the in-coming side of the pump if the heater was to draw some fuel after the pump is switched off.
It's been working fine, but I do plan to angle the fuel pump and filter slightly. Easy tweak.
This is the way! Been using a no moisture introduced Chinese diesel heater in my auto hauler conversion for 3 years. But I've used this brand in semi trucks for gazillions of nights. I'm thinking the gas version would be less maintenance.
@@mrmichaeltscott Gazillions sounds like a great track record 😀
I had a Webasto gas heater years ago in my VW. It worked great till the glow plug got about 2 years old making it difficult to get it to start. So if yours uses a glow plug like mine make sure you have a couple extra on hand. That was the only maintenance I ever did on it and I used it about 10+ years.
Thanks. Yes it does have a glow plug. Having a spare sounds like a good plan.
Love your videos. Any way you could produce a full tour of your RV and a brief description on what you've done? I looked for it in your search function but was unable to find one. Thanks. You are quite the "Silent Professional" at cabinet making.
That might be a bit overwhelming for me and you 😆. I'll think about it.
Just ordered one from Amazon. Unit now in storage but come spring time i plan to install it in my 30 foot MotorHome. Great job on the install.
Ordered a heater kit and currently installing it. I think i will really like it and not have all the wet windows that happen when i heat with propane. Thanks again for your video. I have a 2013 Thor Citation 30 foot class C
This is the first video of yours I've watched. you do a great job not only with your technical installation but breaking the video into easily digestible sections. Thanks for sharing your work and making such a good production video to watch
Wow, thanks! Glad you found me.
They're actually really easy to find. You just need to head to a truck shop near you. Webasto and espar I pretty much the two main brands used in semis
The fuel pump should be at a 35 degree angle, I have the Chinese copy, and it all looks the same , so set to pump on a angle so it works right.. I does keep the RV nice a warm .. good luck
All you have to do is look up and Truck dealer in the N.part of USA or Canada. We used them a lot up North. Plus when you have time buy more flex tubes. You will need them.
Need more tubes because they'll need replacing?
Propex propane heaters work with a heat exchanger just like diesel heaters, so no moisture is added to the interior. Also, Propex heaters are maintenance-free, unlike diesel heaters. Your Webasto running on gasoline should not soot up as much as a diesel heater, however. Most diesel-heater burn chambers must be cleaned of soot at least once a year. They both make good options.
That's what I've heard too. Not sure how often I'll have to clean the carbon build up. We'll see.
@@RVwithTito I've heard some burn kerosene on high for a little bit to clear the soot.
Great video! Will be helpful when I install mine. At 8:17, your fuel line crosses a piece of angle iron. Im worried that while you drive, that fuel line will rub against the angle iron and start to leak. I'd put a piece of rubber fuel line over it to protect the fuel line.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've since put a piece of wire loom over that section just in case.
I have been running one of these to supliment, the propane furnace, when winter hits in my 32 foot class c. I added a 12.5 gallon marine fuel tank as the 15l tank is too small when the real cold weather sets in.
I am currently warm and toasty in -15 weather, it also uses way less battery power than the propane furnace, I use both to make sure my underfloor tanks stay heated.
I have a diesel version in my sprinter, love it, they also make a diesel fueled hotplate, please check your instructions mine said to mount fuel pump on an angle.
I've tilted the fuel pump. That hotplate sounds interesting.
Your mods are always top notch professional
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Had one on a semi I drove, never considered it for my 5th wheel. Thinking of installing one in my pass through storage and out my genie exhaust (removing my genie anyway, dont use it and hate exhaust fumes inside rv). Great vid
I found that camping in humid ereas the extern intake bring a lot of humidity to the van. So made it possible to shift the intake from extern to intern recycling.
As he said, external intake that's underbody, is for the combustion chamber. Which is where you want it to be. The heaters intake is in-cabin behind the grill re-installed at the 13:00 min mark. Why you'd install the heater's intake to draw from outside & constantly heat the cold air, is not efficent & why you were pulling in damp air.
Brian, I did not see or hear if you have removed your propane furnace. Did you? Or is that next when you are confidence with the gasoline heater?
I put one of the Chinese diesel heaters on my shuttle bus conversion and it worked great. I am thinking the same for my newly renovated Class C.
That's right. I haven't removed the old one yet. I'll use the gas heater through the winter then decide. My gut tells me that I'll have no more use for the LP heater.
Hope you do some follow ups on the performance in different weather scenarios.
I hope to.
Thats a really good heater that runs on gas, i didnt know they had those kind, i might get one or two
I'm really happy with it so far. So much better than anything else I've had heating the RV...and very very efficient.
Tito, you're killing me... every great video you make it requires drilling, cutting, making holes on the roof and now on the floor..... ahhhrrrrrrr I am to afraid to make holes in my RV. Great video and thanks for sharing .
Haha. I don't think the next project requires drilling holes :) Just got to wait for the rain to stop.
@@RVwithTito great.. can't wait
That is part of the job to add things n to remodel, it goes with construction work, if you mess up or need to take out or move something later, easy to fix holes n n parts of walls you cut, just use metal n really good water proof cocking n other material to fix it, there are times i took out or moved things for different reasons n had to fix holes in different areas, easy to fix it for me n do construction work cause i did it for years n used many different types of construction material n learn many different things working with many different construction workers n what i learned on my own n from Jesus, also i have many different types of tools n know how to use them, this helps a lot to have lots of tools that come in handy if you do mechanic n construction work
I love it and should be cheaper to run than propane and no carbon monoxide 👍 thanks you made it look simple.
excellent.. the fuel line might chaff & puncture were it contacts the hard edge of the metal frame
Great Job (as always)
Who else has wound up with order that wasn't exact, operator error not withstanding!
That wearable work light was pretty cool and sleek. Any information on that?
Great Video!
The head lamp is a KNOG Bandicoot (Ausie brand I think) amzn.to/32533Oa. I've been using it for a year now.
Great idea. The condensation from propane devices is a real nuisance. I though it was funny when Melissa's Dad said , " working on your Toilet " Brian
😀 Yeah. I thought it would be fun to leave that in.
About your fuel filter problem. A few years ago I found out that in line fuel filters were made specifically for either pressure through OR pulling through. Don't know if that had anything to do with your problem, but thought might be a piece of info that would be handy sometime.
One other concern is, are your water lines run close to your original heat ducts? (Dont know your set-up) Some are to help prevent freezing.
No water lines. Thanks for the fuel filter info. Didn't know that.
Those are pretty slick heaters. I've heard of fuel pump and heat exchanger issues, but those seem to be have been easily worked out. I've been considering a similar heater for our Trailmanor. I just need to figure out how and where I want to mount the tank. I would love to be able to fill the tank from the outside but if you've seen a Trailmanor you have an idea about difficult that would be. I'll just have to accept that I have to use a gas can. Great post as usual. Safe travels.
Thanks. Best of luck with yours. Cheers.
Very nice upgrade! Congratulations. We just got back from Yellowstone and Grant Teton National Park and we used our heater a lot but like you Said, it does generate a lot of moisture