Jeff, I've been taking a coach, I've been watching numerous forehand lessons on youtube collecting helpful information bit by bit trying to figure it out but only thanks to your so detailed explanation I started really understanding it and was able in a pretty short time (5-10 sessions) to improve it to the level that all my usual competitors started really noticing the difference. It's still a lot to work on but I am progressing and so happy about it! I decided to invest in some of your lessons (forehand, serve, strategy) and so excited that I found the on-line coach I've been looking for! Thank you for sharing you passion and knowledge!
Excellent video. The habit of opening the face after contact is very hard to break it takes alot of dedication and practice. Thank you for the great tips.
I found it 12:48! The "low to high" forehand is exactly what I use for topspin strokes. There is tons of spin and control, but it's inconsistent for short and high balls, because of the vertical raquet face. For these short/high balls I need to switch to the "point the raquet" tecnique with a high contact point, achieving easy winners. But the switching takes too much thinking during points... maybe I should stick only to one tecnique?
Thank you Tim. I would recommend the topspin forehand secrets course. You can check it out here topspinforehand.tennisevolution.com/topspin-forehand-order-form-1 tennisevolution.com/online-courses/ Let me know if you have further questions, happy to help.
I am a big fan, and this is great stuff. "Turn the hand"', "break the wrist" and "windshield wiper" etc. are advanced concepts that maybe require more detailed 3-D visualization/explanation of join anatomy and geometry. Break or turn in which plane and along which axis exactly? I am not saying I have the answers. Maybe the wiper is still wiping the windshield, but like most modern windshields this one is convex and tilted.
Jeff, great content as always! Isn’t the hand turn accomplished by the internal shoulder rotation? Looking at Nadal’s elbow orientation shows a strong ISR starting right before contact.
I just looked up Federer forehand slow motion and does exactly the same throwing of the racket pointing strings down forward toward the opponent, just like you describe that Nadal does.
I have tied this ,it worked very well on me, my question is that you also talked about another way of increase topspin on forehand called wrist break finish. Can I master both use them in different situations or I can only learn one of them ?
Hey Jeff, I tried this tonight and I'm getting better depth and spin. however, is this more for low-mid height balls? Do you still want to aim high and extend on a high forehand?
Hey Jeff, love your stuff! Would this path work for a next gen forehand? Tweaking my 11yr old's forehand, got some perfecting to do. Would love your input about junior tennis and technique, let me know if there is a way to ask for specific questions. Thanks, Goran
Jeff, I used this technique today in a clinic and you are absolutely right...my forehand will never be the same. I went from a mediocre forehand to a much better one with consistent depth and topspin. I am so thankful that you create this type of content. At my humble 4.0 level, seeing the techniques on screen turn into my reality is very emotionally rewarding. -Wes
Hi Jeff, food for thought: by focusing on "turning the hand" you are already causing your viewers to make the hand less loose than it could be than if you referred to "internal shoulder rotation" or just "shoulder rotation". That is what is actually going on here - you see the hand but it is actually the shoulder rotation that is flipping the racket to strings down. I'm sure you know this but would suggest using different vocabulary as you may be causing your viewers to be thinking to much about what is going on with the hand for them to keep it relaxed ; )
Hi Jeff! Excellent lesson showed one small but very important thing of Nadals forehand. Thanks a lot. I wonder why all tennis coaches do not recommend Nadals style of forehand saying that is too complicated. I agree it is. But look at the results - 20 grand slams, and will be more!!! Do you think that nobody can replace his forehand? Or Nadals forehand is unique for all life time?
Can you explain the swing path when he takes the racket back towards the end of the lag drive? I don't understand the movement he makes, I don't know if the racket is facing downwards or towards the opposite side of the court
very impressive lesson, thanks for giving. just a question: what do you think about using the same western grip for both forehand and one hand backhand? thanks again
Hi Jeff thanks for the video, but one question I have is at 3:11. Rublev's forehand seems to be not pointing forwards after fully extended motion but looks more like the one you've shown at 3:11. Rublev has one of the biggest forehands on tour. What would you say the difference here?
The modern pro swing pattern (drive topspin) which creates a different tragetory which I like to call waterfall instead of a traditional rainbow 🌈 tradgectory. Jeff have you thought about the contact pt on the rac face as the driver of what the hand and rac face does post contact. My take on it all is the contact on the racq face which if below centre will make the hand/rac face turn automatically also increases speed and spin. Late hand turn I believe is due to centre or above contact as you can't physically fight the forces at work during impact. Check out all the top pros in slow Mo you will see contact primarily in the southern part of the racquet face around 70 to 80 percent. Place were most pros break strings if not using a hybrid mix. Below centre 2 to 3 strings ie off centre and towards the top of the rac head. Just my 2 cents on this topic.
@@TennisEvolution yes, it’s probably my worst stroke and I have been trying to fix and tweak for 4 months now. I fixed my forehand grip and backswing fairly quickly within 3 months but my backhand just seems to be more complex motion for me. I didn’t know if it has to do with my hips and torso or my technique overall. I find my self not being able to produce power and being inconsistent. Thanks for responding!
@@LightingCrafter You're welcome! Check out this comprehensive lesson on the two handed backhand. ruclips.net/video/-pIP6B751ws/видео.html For the one handed backhand, I suggest watching this video ruclips.net/video/TEpzXwJaUKQ/видео.html Let me know if it helps!.
I think this swing is a natural swing path when the ball is low and you want to hit it with pace. Basically you come over the top of the ball and swing through. I don’t think your face comes to being open. It stays closed through the entire swing. I guess if this is what Rafa uses then I have been doing what he’s been doing without knowing it. I didn’t think I was doing anything special though.
Jeff, if the player/junior is not turning the hand they’re hitting flat, and that’s not wrong or “a problem”. It’s a tactical intention and it determines the technique used.
@@TennisEvolution Yes, agree they can but it's more a matter of what gets them better results, trading off speed for spin doesn't seem to work so well in the women's game. You need strong forearms to turn the hand to produce the extra RH speed. Weak topspin gets crushed in the women's game.
Attention to details! I used to have a forehand that when I followed through, the racket face was facing sidewards instead of downwards. With that forehand my racket was unable to wrap the ball, so whenever I hit harder, the ball would go a little too high and it went out of the court.
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Hi Jeff Another great video. I wonder if people appreciate that you are giving away 1000's of dollars worth of coaching for free in just this one video? Can you do me one small favour though to make my life easier. When you demonstrate the forehand, can you do it without putting all the swings rotational force through your front knee, just as you would when you are doing the shot for real? I'm pretty confident that you don't do this in reality, because your right knee would have been destroyed a long time ago if you did. Thanks
This advice change my game. Thank you so much !!!
х very very very nice very logical understandable you are great couch thank you again thanks again
This is a wonderful video. Thank you
that's amazing ! absolutely amazing ! turning the hand is crucial to have the spin and long balls before the baseline , amazing !
Thank you, well said!
thanks for advise
You're welcome!
Jeff, I've been taking a coach, I've been watching numerous forehand lessons on youtube collecting helpful information bit by bit trying to figure it out but only thanks to your so detailed explanation I started really understanding it and was able in a pretty short time (5-10 sessions) to improve it to the level that all my usual competitors started really noticing the difference. It's still a lot to work on but I am progressing and so happy about it! I decided to invest in some of your lessons (forehand, serve, strategy) and so excited that I found the on-line coach I've been looking for! Thank you for sharing you passion and knowledge!
That is awesome Konstantin! I'm humbled and honored to help you take your game to the next level.
terrific Jeff!!
After 6 months I'm still trying to nail this excellent technique Jeff, not that easy but I'm very keen to master it.
Thank you for watching. I acknowledge your commitment and passion for the game. Keep it rolling!
I look forward to taking this pro-tip to the practice court.
Awesome! Let us know how it goes.
Love watching your video's. Wish I had this advice both as a tennis player and coach 20 years ago.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. The habit of opening the face after contact is very hard to break it takes alot of dedication and practice. Thank you for the great tips.
yes, it is challenging but can be done with the right focus and drills.
What a forehand it is. Lose/relax wrist & semi West grip a must Found the 2nd option swing path more natural for me. Loved the tennis lesson Jeff.
Awesome Stuart!
I found it 12:48! The "low to high" forehand is exactly what I use for topspin strokes. There is tons of spin and control, but it's inconsistent for short and high balls, because of the vertical raquet face. For these short/high balls I need to switch to the "point the raquet" tecnique with a high contact point, achieving easy winners. But the switching takes too much thinking during points... maybe I should stick only to one tecnique?
Amazing lesson!
finally a lefty
I been waiting for this, thank you
You're welcome David!
I'm keen to try out this alternative 'high hand' concept. Thanks for this Jeff.
My pleasure. Let me know how it goes.
Great video! What course would you recommend to build on this lesson?
Thank you Tim. I would recommend the topspin forehand secrets course. You can check it out here topspinforehand.tennisevolution.com/topspin-forehand-order-form-1
tennisevolution.com/online-courses/
Let me know if you have further questions, happy to help.
I am a big fan, and this is great stuff. "Turn the hand"', "break the wrist" and "windshield wiper" etc. are advanced concepts that maybe require more detailed 3-D visualization/explanation of join anatomy and geometry. Break or turn in which plane and along which axis exactly? I am not saying I have the answers. Maybe the wiper is still wiping the windshield, but like most modern windshields this one is convex and tilted.
I hear you... Thanks for your ideas.
Jeff, great content as always! Isn’t the hand turn accomplished by the internal shoulder rotation? Looking at Nadal’s elbow orientation shows a strong ISR starting right before contact.
I’d day yes 🙌
When you have your elbow high this is a natural part of the swingpath
I just looked up Federer forehand slow motion and does exactly the same throwing of the racket pointing strings down forward toward the opponent, just like you describe that Nadal does.
That’s right !
Great advanced tips. 👍🙏
Thanks!
Muy buena enseñanza...muy didáctico...
Muchas gracias Luisfe!
Great job
Thank you Daniel.
I have tied this ,it worked very well on me, my question is that you also talked about another way of increase topspin on forehand called wrist break finish. Can I master both use them in different situations or I can only learn one of them ?
Yes!
Great video
Thank you!
Hey Jeff, I tried this tonight and I'm getting better depth and spin. however, is this more for low-mid height balls? Do you still want to aim high and extend on a high forehand?
Great question. High forehands are different. The swing path is more across the body.
@@TennisEvolution awesome, thanks!
Hey Jeff, love your stuff! Would this path work for a next gen forehand? Tweaking my 11yr old's forehand, got some perfecting to do. Would love your input about junior tennis and technique, let me know if there is a way to ask for specific questions.
Thanks,
Goran
Yes, this can for sure work. You can email me at jeff@tennisevolution.com
Jeff, I used this technique today in a clinic and you are absolutely right...my forehand will never be the same. I went from a mediocre forehand to a much better one with consistent depth and topspin. I am so thankful that you create this type of content. At my humble 4.0 level, seeing the techniques on screen turn into my reality is very emotionally rewarding.
-Wes
Awesome Wes! Thank you for sharing and keep it up.
Jeff.
How about a video on grip pressure at contact? There seems to be conflicting arguments
There should be almost no difference on grip pressure at contact , racket swing speed is essential
Hi Jeff, food for thought: by focusing on "turning the hand" you are already causing your viewers to make the hand less loose than it could be than if you referred to "internal shoulder rotation" or just "shoulder rotation". That is what is actually going on here - you see the hand but it is actually the shoulder rotation that is flipping the racket to strings down. I'm sure you know this but would suggest using different vocabulary as you may be causing your viewers to be thinking to much about what is going on with the hand for them to keep it relaxed ; )
Thanks for your feedback Alon.
Hi Jeff! Excellent lesson showed one small but very important thing of Nadals forehand. Thanks a lot. I wonder why all tennis coaches do not recommend Nadals style of forehand saying that is too complicated. I agree it is. But look at the results - 20 grand slams, and will be more!!! Do you think that nobody can replace his forehand? Or Nadals forehand is unique for all life time?
When do you start to rotate your hip and shoulder ? Thanks
Dirty diaper, skipping the rock, waiter's tray.. love your analogies Jeff ;)
Thanks!
Can you explain the swing path when he takes the racket back towards the end of the lag drive? I don't understand the movement he makes, I don't know if the racket is facing downwards or towards the opposite side of the court
I got to try this
very impressive lesson, thanks for giving. just a question: what do you think about using the same western grip for both forehand and one hand backhand? thanks again
Some players can make it work!
Hi Jeff thanks for the video, but one question I have is at 3:11. Rublev's forehand seems to be not pointing forwards after fully extended motion but looks more like the one you've shown at 3:11. Rublev has one of the biggest forehands on tour. What would you say the difference here?
i have a full western which makes this so easy!!!
Awesome!
Fan from China and Thanks for the great vid! Didn't realize I probably have a swing path similar to Nadal when I was trying to imitate Djokovic lol
You're welcome Jack!
Thank you for watching.
Jeff.
优秀，请教个问题，你正手会雨刷式随挥吗，手腕是一直固定的还是打完球就释放了？
@@whbwin 我是新手而已。我应该打完球就释放了
Hi Jeff trust this swing path is for top spin and will it be ok to be practiced by beginners and intermediaries when learning topspin.
It will Kumar. Proper technique is welcome at all levels ;)
great video !
Thank you!
Is this the same concept as turn the doorknob?
Hello jeff
What would you suggest if while doing this we make thinner contact or mishits ?
The modern pro swing pattern (drive topspin) which creates a different tragetory which I like to call waterfall instead of a traditional rainbow 🌈 tradgectory. Jeff have you thought about the contact pt on the rac face as the driver of what the hand and rac face does post contact. My take on it all is the contact on the racq face which if below centre will make the hand/rac face turn automatically also increases speed and spin. Late hand turn I believe is due to centre or above contact as you can't physically fight the forces at work during impact. Check out all the top pros in slow Mo you will see contact primarily in the southern part of the racquet face around 70 to 80 percent. Place were most pros break strings if not using a hybrid mix. Below centre 2 to 3 strings ie off centre and towards the top of the rac head. Just my 2 cents on this topic.
Hey Coach does this form apply for high balls? Or does the technique change depending on the height of the ball?
Kevin Jeff can’t/won’t answer this question LOL
Always a good video if Rafas name is in the title!
For sure!
Is this "hand high" concept primarily for when you want to hit a deep heavy topspin forehand and not for a more flat finishing forehand?
Yes:) 👏
What about the backhand swing path. Can we use this tip for the backhand swing?
Yes you can for the 2 hander.
I’m having trouble with my backhand, would this concept be applied to the backhand or is there a completely different motion
Thanks for watching. How are you specifically having trouble with your backhand?
@@TennisEvolution yes, it’s probably my worst stroke and I have been trying to fix and tweak for 4 months now. I fixed my forehand grip and backswing fairly quickly within 3 months but my backhand just seems to be more complex motion for me. I didn’t know if it has to do with my hips and torso or my technique overall. I find my self not being able to produce power and being inconsistent. Thanks for responding!
@@LightingCrafter You're welcome! Check out this comprehensive lesson on the two handed backhand. ruclips.net/video/-pIP6B751ws/видео.html
For the one handed backhand, I suggest watching this video ruclips.net/video/TEpzXwJaUKQ/видео.html
Let me know if it helps!.
If the ball is fast and low or flatter or sliced how do we adjust the swing path
use more buggy whips!
This is good stuff
Thank you!
Thank you very understandabl
You're welcome Vladimir!
I think this swing is a natural swing path when the ball is low and you want to hit it with pace. Basically you come over the top of the ball and swing through. I don’t think your face comes to being open. It stays closed through the entire swing. I guess if this is what Rafa uses then I have been doing what he’s been doing without knowing it. I didn’t think I was doing anything special though.
A lot of players do not do this which is why I am pointing it out to people. If you send me a video I can tell you if you are doing it.
Jeff, if the player/junior is not turning the hand they’re hitting flat, and that’s not wrong or “a problem”. It’s a tactical intention and it determines the technique used.
As long as it works, they can do it. Most high level players turn the hand but there are exceptions of course
@@TennisEvolution Agree, but mostly men, women hit flatter, different game tactically because they cannot generate same spin rates as men.
@@poida007 Don’tsell women short. They can turn the hand very well if you train them up
@@TennisEvolution Yes, agree they can but it's more a matter of what gets them better results, trading off speed for spin doesn't seem to work so well in the women's game. You need strong forearms to turn the hand to produce the extra RH speed. Weak topspin gets crushed in the women's game.
@@poida007 send me examples of players that have a lot of success that don’t turn the hand
The only guy on line who knows what he's f... he's talking about.
Attention to details! I used to have a forehand that when I followed through, the racket face was facing sidewards instead of downwards. With that forehand my racket was unable to wrap the ball, so whenever I hit harder, the ball would go a little too high and it went out of the court.
Small details make the biggest differences Marvin.
What grip?
Hey Brylle. Semi-western forehand grip.
Great 13 min lesson. Tomorrow i am going Nadal in my match
Thank you Gilbert! Vamos ;)
Let me know how it goes.
Jeff.
5:34 i hold the racquet like that but my pinky isnt on the grip
That's cool if you can control the forehand.
I don’t know about you but I know about it years ago
Nice! Welcome to our channel ;)
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Hi Jeff
Another great video. I wonder if people appreciate that you are giving away 1000's of dollars worth of coaching for free in just this one video?
Can you do me one small favour though to make my life easier. When you demonstrate the forehand, can you do it without putting all the swings rotational force through your front knee, just as you would when you are doing the shot for real? I'm pretty confident that you don't do this in reality, because your right knee would have been destroyed a long time ago if you did.
Thanks
If someone plays with a continental grip maybe they should change it xD.
Definitely for groundstrokes Lanmater.
Ombiliebable
Thank you!
Pronation
Very long
Enjoy!