Wait a sec... a brilliant archaeologist attacked while exploring ancient ruins... who then uses natural ability(powers) and basic weapon skills to develop into a super badass... who's future life is full of intrigue as she deals with shadowy organizations and plots around the world(s)... and then uses her archaeology knowledge to uncover lost treasures(the crucible) that can save the day... I really did choose the tomb raider.
when I was dating Tali, Jack got feeling for me and when I was choosing whether to say yes or no to her...I fing sneezed and hit yes...when I talked to her again, I was so depressed
"You mean my choices do matter?!" Hahaha that made my day! ME3 Really did make your choices irrelevant, because you get the same damn endings. So, that was priceless!
Smartgaming That's life, some choices are a crossroads that can completely change your history. Not all decisions of equal importance. Only the stupid think the choices did not matter
The best choice would have been to have no choice at all at the end and just have one cohesive ending to wrap it all up. Of course the only villain more destructive and fiendish than the Reapers is....EA.
If you mean that all your choices you made over the course of the games should have impacted the ending, then I'm on board. If you're saying that the ending should always be the same, disregarding entire personalized experience,... then not so much. Deus Ex (the new one) had the same kind of ending, where you had to chose between three different outcomes, after the final confrontation, But somehow it made more sense in that game or felt more organic Though I'm not sure why exaclty I didn't mind it in Deus Ex whereas in Mass Effect it felt weird. Both games are about choices during the game and presenting you with a moral question at the end, saying "now that you have played the game and have experienced this world/universe: what opinion have you formed? what conclusions have you arrived at, at? Which philosophy will you follow to resolve this story? Maybe the ending(s) of Mass Effect was slightly weird, because the whole "organic Vs synthetic"-deal at the end really comes out of nowhere plus it just seems forcefully constructed that machines and synthetics MUST eventually be at war with each other. Why? How is this worse than Organics constantly fighting organics? Sure you're often fighting the geth but you were also fighting a ton of organics in all mass effect games, and there really wasn't any pervasive structure about this conflict between machine and man throughout the game. It just suddenly is a thing.
Paul Szkibik I agree. The idea that synthetics and organics must be at war is very flawed logic, but I suppose that's the point. I think it would have been interesting if you could've charmed/intimidated the Catylist to leave organics alone if you met certain requirements, like making peace between the Quarians and Geth, recruiting the Leviathan (if that DLC is installed), having the conversation with Anderson after the Illusive Man on the Citadel, having a full Reputation bar, and having a certain EMS score. This would prove that organics and synthetics could live in peace, the Reapers' own creators disagreed with their logic, indoctrination is flawed and pervious, and organics are powerful enough to defeat the Reapers. Then, if you convinced the Catylist, the Repears would all leave, the Normandy would come and get Shepard, EDI and the Geth don't die, and everything else plays out like the Destroy ending.
What I'm saying is have one ending the same no matter what you did and just have your choices actually effect the final battle; making it hard/easier or just different based on who is still alive and allied to your cause. That was one of my big gripes about the ending that you put in all that work but really don't get to see it have any noticeable effect. Yeah there are maybe a few more ships in that cutscene you get to see for a min but big deal. I wanted to see Krogan and Rachni on the battlefield tearing up Reapers, maybe some Geth show up and leave you some powerful weapons before a big fight. You know something tangible to make that effort worth it. At the very least it should have been the choice was made in the background based on your previous choices rather than a blatant, immersion breaking ending-o-matic vending machine choice. Hmmm do I want the diet ending or maybe the cherry flavor...who cares I can just reload the save and do them all in a few minutes!
Bioware should have just told the ME fans they wanted to kill Sheperd so they could start a new series instead of screwing us over with crap endings. They went through 3 bloody games, the least they could have done is given us the satisfaction of a decent ending. Not to mention the plot holes. Though as much as i complain, this is my favourite game. Anderson's death came as a total surprise and im ashamed to say when it happened i was completely balling. It sucks that he survived through the whole war, always supported Sheperd and then died when it was finally over.
Better ending : After Shepard destroys the Reapers,cut to 2 years later,where we see Shepard smoking cigarretes with chicks at his feet.Also,Renegade option where you shoot the StarChild,or throw it out of the Airlock.
chukky1124 if you have not seen the reply to this elsewhere. if you shoot the kid he says "so be it" or something like that in a deep voice. Then it cuts to a green planet and goes underground where liara is a Virtual interface explaining how everyone died and now it is up to this round of civilizations to work together and win. like mass effect 1 and the prothean VI, but I guess it is more akin to ME3 and that prothean VI as the only one who essentially knows what the dues ex machina device (push this to win) is, and he dies. It was a good edition and the only ending that actually makes sense. I just finished ME3 and thought I hadn't gone through the extended cut ending, its still bad.
Just recently played all three games. I didn't mind the ending that much. It was fine. I only would've wanted the Geth to stay alive with the red choice. That's it.
IIKaiserII Exactly! But then, that alone would've made it everyone's preferred choice? All the three choices in the game are carefully balanced. Sure, not making a choice is also a choice. And you're heavily criticised in the DLC for it!
***** Except of course it makes no sense. Shepard spends 3 games making choices and arguing points but when it comes to the final, most important moment of the entire story, Shepard isn't even allowed to make the simple logical argument that (assuming you've united the Quarian and Geth) they've broken the cycle by uniting the galaxy, proving the Reapers wrong. By the end the only AI that's a threat is Starchild and his Reapers. The last time I played the game (which was back when the extended ending stuff was added) I deliberately chose not to pick one of the three arbitrary options in protest and I haven't played the game since.
jedsithor But the Quarians and Geth are only united (yes, I did it) by using the Reaper-code itself! So, we can safely assume that the Geth went through a form of Synthesis. Who is to say that the future, non Reaper-coded, synthetic species will not rebel, then? Also, the Catalyst wasn't there to debate anything. Neither was Shepard. He was there to activate the Crucible...later, to make a decision. *And even if you convinced the Catalyst, that the organics and synthetics could unite, what did you expect him to do?* Although, an AI, he was quite 'robotic' in nature, still. And when Shepard arrived at the Citadel, he realised that the current cycle was ready to use the Crucible. So, he had already surrendered and was just helping Shepard to make a choice. So, you can't argue that you aren't given a choice in the end. If your Shepard believes that this cycle has a solution to the organics-synthetics problem, he should choose 'Destroy' because having a solution negates the need of the Reapers in the first place. The Catalyst himself would have recommended it! Really, how hard is it to grasp? P.S. - I understand you're probably a fan who just wanted a happy ending. But well, there are no happy endings. Even in real life, in the end...we die!
***** It's not about a happy ending, it's about an ending that makes sense and is a logical conclusion to the game. It's about an ending that takes your choices throughout the three games into account beyond an arbitrary number, an ending that comes down to more than just picking one of three colours. Saren wanted synthesis. Illusive Man wanted control so already, we have two choices that amount to what your enemies wanted to do and Destroy, the only viable option, results in the Geth being killed too, making your efforts to save them utterly pointless. What's so laughable is that the Catalyst itself is AI. The Catalyst is telling you that AI's are going to destroy all organic life even though, depending on your play through you can unite the quarian and geth AND get EDI to have a relationship with Joker. The Catalyst is proven to be completely wrong. The same catalyst who is the very thing he calls a danger - an AI. The ending is completely illogical and the reason it's illogical is because it was changed months before the release. The big reveal was supposed to be about Dark Energy but the script leaked so they changed it, making it about AI but of course they forgot about that whole sequence where you can potentially give an entire race of machines a "soul" for lack of a better word and prove the Catalyst wrong.
jedsithor The game does take your choices throughout the three games into account. Did you cure the genophage? Did you save the Quarians, the Council, Destiny Ascension, different members of your squad? It all shows in the final moments of the game, or in the last slideshow. And all play a role in the fight against the Reapers. And about the Crucible, its like a laser-beam gun and the Catalyst is its knob (for type-selector) So, there's nothing wrong with the three colours thing. See...this is why I say you wanted a happy ending. You wanted the Geth to be saved in the 'Destroy' ending, and then it would've been perfect for you. But life isn't perfect. So, what are you gonna about it? Once the galaxy realised the scale and impact of the Reaper invasion, everyone knew what they were getting into. And they were all willing to die fighting the Reapers. You can feel sad about not being able to save the Geth and blame the developers, because its a game. But if it were real life, who would you blame then? Yourself? And just because you previous enemies wanted something that was different from what you wanted then, isn't reason enough for you to not choose it now. Specially clearly when new facts have been brought to light. They were wrong because they were indoctrinated, but you aren't! (Or maybe you're...fan of the Indoctrination Theory here.) If you want to save the Geth, too...you should choose 'Control'. It isn't such a bad ending, neither is 'Synthesis'. A guy like Shepard (assuming yours was paragon enough) deserves to control the Reapers. If you think the Catalyst is wrong, destroy the Reapers. Like I said earlier, he's there only to help. And you must understand that the Reapers are a different form of synthetics. Their coding is different. The reason why they aren't wiping every organic off the galaxy themselves. Moreover, being an AI, the Catalyst will never acknowledge something that'll threaten his own existence! The fact that the organics and synthetics can unite, makes his (and the Reapers') existence pointless. The final moment, like most of the game, is about choice. And Bioware made sure to make this last decision the biggest and most difficult in the game! This is why many people are sad, or complaining. Nope! Again wrong. About the Dark Energy ending, the creator of that ending, former employee of Bioware, himself has said that it would have made an even worse ending for the trilogy. It didn't made much sense, and they were just exploring the idea, during Mass Effect 2. You know how the Dark Energy ending would've felt? I think it would've seemed like the game was using big, scientific terms to escape giving a sensible explanation for the action of the Reapers. That's what the developers were doing, infact! Atleast in this one, we know what's happening, though some might not like it. *Do you've any reasonably better ending ideas, though? Would love to hear those!*
+cooliofir135 As much as unfair the choices were they do make SOME sense. I mean across the entire series people keep up bringing up how the potential of A.I. is dangerous. Though in all honestly I did wish that we had the choice to just say "fuck this shit" and make only the reapers to die instead of all synthetic life. I mean WTF I like EDI and Legion.
I chose the destruction ending, because I thought there was a scene with Shepard reuniting with his love interest, in my case Miranda. Was disappointed... chose the synthetics ending on my second play through which I find the best ending.
PauLtus B So, male Shep has a better paragon voice, then. How does it makes female Shep's voice superior? Most of the time we spend around in dialogues is inquiring. And male Shepard has the perfect voice for it! Curious, with a hint of sensitive.
***** I wouldn't even nessecarily say he always has a better paragon voice. ManShep just has a calm yet powerful voice, which does demand attention and respect, in most of these cases FemShep actually sounds a bit rougher, and maybe not as likeable. But at the moments when he needs to break out of that role, I actually think he still does really well with renegade, maybe he's more intimidating because it seems he'll never lose it, if he's evil, he's methodical, not acting out of rage, might very well be equal with FemShep. But with more angry paragon moments and with the more intimate moments he's just not that convincing to me.
PauLtus B For the intimate moments, he seemed pretty convincing to me. My Shepard was a paragon, war-hero spacer and I never once felt an issue with his voice. His voice is perfect for the character! He has a naturally strong voice. Confident, and dominating. He doesn't needs to rough it up, like Jane. Cause, let's be honest, at the basics, not many take threats from a girl seriously...specially not the bad guys. So, she has to put in way more effort. As for the male Shep, he doesn't have that problem. He doesn't needs to raise his voice to prove that he will kill you. He's Commander Shepard of the Normandy!
Because I always go for the definition of loyal girl, Liara freaking T’Soni. She’s so cute, loyal, sweet, badass and you get to romance her in all three games
@@sirnilsolav6646 yeah that definitely constitutes Tali as well. The only reason she didn't go with you immediately was because she had prior engagements. The second they were done she joined you on the Normandy. Liara has an annoying voice.
+GeorgeMonet oh boo hoo. She sucks anyway. She died by a Collector getting a lucky headshot on her in ME2 with those weird energy ball things. Didn't care one bit.
I definitely agree, and I'm still in hatred for the in game ending. let's see what color do you like shep red, blue or green? Oh and by the way no mater what color you like you die, the mass relays are destroyed, the reapers die and all the hard work you put into getting the perfect romance is put to waste.
agreed, the ME 3 ending was basically sucks on ice. I hated it so much that I was unable to replay the games for over a year, knowing that piece of epic disappointment laid in wait. It took the MEHE mod for me to be able to enjoy the games again.
yeah she is i just wished that sheperd could have rejected liara in more gentle way, she hit on him two times and even saved his life she deserved at least gentler rejection ;-;
ZacEffron It does but along with the Reapers you lose EDI and the Geth. If you were able to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth all of that gets thrown out the window. Hours of hard work gone.
sundawg911 Yep.. i chose the geth and in the end they just died together with EDI ;(( and my fav chars died too -- garus and liara :(( sad ending i chose.. but truly epic game!
MegaRogash The Indoctrination Theory still doesnt help the case.Still your actions throughout the game doesnt matter and it makes the last entry in the series even more pointless.
Samantha was so cute when she wanted to tell her friends she beat Commander Shepard in chess and then broke his heart. Best rejection ever! But seriously those emails of hers were steamy
+John Howard This is why in my Nathan Shepard's story, the Crucible runs on the power of love and friendship and not Windows Vista, so it actually works. The Reapers blow up, synthetics are still saved, and he goes back to Tali just fine. :P
How does the Prothean Beacon disappear with "Indoctrinated presence detected" when Kai Leng walks in (but speaks to Shepard and Co.) and spouting its "You're attempting to recover me from indoctrinated forces?" in the Cerberus headquarters, Liara's insistence in the Cerberus Headquarters that it IS you Shepard, and even the freaking Catalyst's "He could not control us, for we controlled him" line allow the possibility of Shepard being indoctrinated to exist?
Jared Masten To begin with, the structure of your massive sentence made it much more difficult to decipher what you're trying to say, than it should have been. Secondly, your question shows that you don't know what Indoctrination Theory is. *It never said Sheppard was indoctrinated the whole time*. I suggest you go check out the video, as it's not only really cool, but would address your questions. For now though, the point you make with the Prothean Beacon and Liara is easily addressed by saying that Sheppard is not indoctrinated at those points. The catalyst's words are also irrelevant because the entire ending sequence is taking place in Sheppard's mind, according to IndocTheory. The catalyst is a reaper trying to complete indoctrination by persuading you that can work with the Reapers.
The conversation is appearing in his mind from a Reaper? Then why isn't the Reaper going "Control Control Control Control Control" or suggest that there was nothing for him to do but shoot the Catalyst(thus letting the Reapers complete their reaping). Why would a millennia old being of incomprehensible size, strength, and intelligence say "Oh btw the way, shoot those things up there to destroy every synthetic.....damn it"? Why not just tell him about the Control option as being the only way? Another point, why would attempting to shoot the Catalyst do anything if it was a hallucination? And best reason of all, why manifest as something that is giving him information? Why didn't this Reaper say nothing and let Shepard try to figure out what did what?
Jared Masten It's still very clear that you don't know what Indoctrination Theory is, and that you haven't done as I said and watched the video on it. I don't have the time or inclination to explain things that would be addressed if you bothered to actually watch a simple youtube video. If you can't even take the time to watch a video, why should I waste my time explaining anything? I shouldn't, and I won't.
Yes, The reapers should have all just gotten blown up. I would have been ALOT more happy with that ending. I never wanted my mass effect universe to end!
ImHiDef good lord man, I made peace, my friend told me the geth are one of his most favorite species and I told him what happens if you choose the geth he said (he also made peace) "Oh well that kinda sucks" my response "Tali dies too" his response "Oh fuck that then (sorry geth)"
Middlefingerstudios1 i chose the geth because my logic was that there were enough organic lifeforms in the galaxy and also the quarins suck they got kicked of their own planet because they feared their own creation
Besides WD not being over, the big difference is closure and futility. WD is an interactive story, while ME is your adventure where you made many social, military and political changes in that universe that would be immediately ignored in an ending that was ultimately the same. Not even the ending cinematic, but the ending battle act was affected. They had to re-release the ending to cover up most of the things they overlooked, but the ending is still quite asinine. The fans may be immature, but it should serve as a reminder that a shitty ending is a shitty ending and you should not be praised for it.
Well, I guess there are quite a lot reasons. First of all: The Walking Dead is a 10 hour game you can get for 20$, while Mass Effect is a trilogy, that people have been waiting for 5 years and were spending like 150$ and 100 hours of gameplay on it. Other than that, the ending in TWD at least makes sense, while Mass Effect just throws a nonsensical, lying child at you in the last 10 minutes. The choises in TWD maybe don't matter that much, but the experience and the ending make way more sense and are a lot more satisfying. Also TWD was advertised with "Player choice matteres", which is true. Maybe there wasn't that much difference, but at least you had the feeling of changing something. TWD wasn't about changing the plot, but about determining if your caharacter's personality. It might be an illusion, but it was done well. Plus TWD never said "Hey guys, there will multiple endings". Mass Effect on the other hand litterally said "There will be widely different endings and you won't be able to tell if you got ending A, B or C" which is just not true. Also TWD is only the first game of the series. So maybe we shouldn't compare it to the final game of a trilogy. If you think about Mass Effect 1 instead there weren't a whole lot of endings either, right?^^
MidgetTopHatGaming Yes I completely Agree with him except for one point, Never played TWD, but also, Games 1 and 2 were building up to the idea of choices matter, I remember thinking "should I destroy the collector base, or use it, its probably going to backfire, I want a good ending, I'll destroy it" there were major decisions in earlier games that were just SPAT ON in ME3 I think they decided it was worth 300 battle readiness points if using it or something, which I easily surpassed in regular game play. Even The ending in ME2 seemed more varied, based on your group choices, you would be successful or not and that determines who if any, survives and is saved, the biggest difference with ME3 would be either you did well and people *can* survive or did awful and they all die. I actually feel kind of disapointed that they kept track of every decision and then only half of it seems to alter the outcome lol
Happy N7 day!!! I know most people agree that Mass Effect 2 is the better of the 3 games, but I think that if you download all the DLC for Mass Effect 3 (Leviathan, Omega, Citadel, and the new improved endings), that Mass Effect 3 might actually be better than 2. Just sayin'.....
I would have liked it to go like this: Shepard: How can I stop the Reapers? Catalyst: Oh, just press that button over there. Shepard: Really? It's just that easy? Catalyst: Yeah, what, were you expecting some morally ambiguous choice. Shepard: Well, you know, just something not so anticlimactic. Catalyst: Life is anticlimactic.
I did the same, I just started playing the games a few months ago (didn't even knew there was romance in the first one, I recruited liara too late and Ashley might have blown up...), I did not regret it :D
mercnos As I said, I did romance her, so i know, but I am pissed that bioware just did a stock photo from google, if they had put that face on an in-game model I would be happy, in other words I like her face, just not the execution of it
best ending: choose female shepard, just because you can. (no femism bullshit, no worry) shoot the leader of ceberus, make a copy of your self and your memories, we have seen quiet some time that it is possible. Use the copy to get controll over the reaper and let them destory them self. Shoot Harbinger, this little idiot, who created the actual whole problem in the first place doesn't deserve it any other way. make a "and don't meet me in my dreams ever again" oneliner or something like that. Return to your crew. End your soldier carrier and start a live and family with Liara. BOOM! it would have been so easy, but no, clichee turns with clichee tragic and darkness...
How much war assets you have on the end actually does determine if the Normandy lives and how much of the universe is affected but ME2 has more choices that affect the ending.
I never understood the Citadel DLC why John Shep couldn't get into the hot tub with Traynor. If she's not attracted to him then it should just be like a couple of friends relaxing. Always bugged me.
How mass effect SHOULD have ended. I present to you, THE PERFECT ENDING: orig13.deviantart.net/cca8/f/2012/111/b/5/mass_effect___pick_up_the_pieces_by_ghostfire-d4x1rnf.png
I would have gone with Liara, she is just such a gentle soul... Towards Shepard... And Hot... And blue... And Possibly Hermaphrodite... With Tentacles for Hair... She was a virgin and you were the one that made her a woman... Yeah, I really don't get why anyone would choose Samantha Treynor over freaking Liara, Tali, Jack, and even Miranda(if you play as Renegade). Tali is funny, Jack is crazy and vulnerable on the inside and that makes her really attractive to me, Miranda is fucked up in the head but both really attractive and badass and also (evil)Shepard and her dialogues are really fun.
Really, the very minimum they would have had to do to make me happy with the pre-EC endings was to take the "destroy all synthetics" part of the destroy ending out. I do actually understand why it does (If you picked the Geth or created peace, they use Reaper tech to achieve full sentience, and EDI was built using Reaper tech). But then by that definition, the destroy ending should also immediately kill all implanted Cerberus troops as well. Regardless, that destroy requires killing the Geth and EDI is a sudden and unavoidable consequence that is not priorly hinted before this point and eliminates all the investments made into the Geth and EDI storylines in one fell swoop.
I know a lot of people weren't happy with how the Mass Effect trilogy ended, but I really enjoyed the ending. Having "refused" on my first playthrough, I thought it was a genuine ending considering how the game essentially starts (our Cycle gets help from the last one to have this option, and who's to say that the Proteans didn't get the same opportunity to choose). I replayed the game another 3 times for the sake of really playing through each ending, and I can honestly say that I was thoroughly pleased with each ending. They all make sense and stay true to the spirit of the game. My only regret was that the "synthesis" option costs Miranda's life. But, that was only because she was my favourite character. The whole "genetically engineered to be perfect" with increased intelligence, enhanced strength and metabolism and all that jazz, etc, sort of set her up to be the future of humanity after The Illusive Man took her in. I would've liked to have been able to save her because of how they made her out to be, but it wasn't to be. I know I'll get criticism for this, but it's my own personal opinion and I'm curious to know if anyone else enjoyed and/or appreciated the ending to my favourite video game franchise.
***** The other problem with the ending is that if you take the indoctrination theory into account, the writers were more interested in the psychological trick of "indoctrinating" even the player. While that was impressive storytelling on some level, it just disregarded what most players wanted. The conforntation with the Illusive man in the end becomes a pure figment, so it NEVER gets resolved and his whole setup in ME2 becomes a lead in to this final gag! Further, and actually the worst, the writers obviously had NO idea, or were not willing to think of an actual way to defeat the reapers. None at all. Even if we get the best ending possible, were Shepard actually survives, we never get any sufficient explanation how we win, just get told that we do. (Even worse that you need MORE war reinforcements than the bar shows to unlock that ending. Cheap ass fucking stunt.) It's just a clear example of writers so in love with their vision that htey never took a step back and lokked at what the game meant to the players. I wanted to beat the reapers and get a story solution. What the game could give me at best was a: "Shepard survives (maybe)/ We win!" The writers probably thought incorporating so many of our choices into the story leading up to it would fulfill the players, as we are basically at the ending already at the start of ME3, but I could have read the wiki for that if they won't bother to tell me HOW it ends.
Shepard: * has the option to pick Tali * Also Shepard: * breaks Tali's heart and chooses Lara Croft. * I don't know if I can speak for everyone else but that sounds like he chose....poorly
Here are the differences : the evac scene of your squadmates was added, before that Shep was scripted-shot by Harbinger and your squads magicly vanished. The Crucible arrival scene on the battlefield was added and the animation of Shep arriving on the Citadel was modified. The Crucible docking scene had a line of dialogue added and a Low-EMS version of the scene was created. When Shep is elevated to the final room the platform he's lying was enlighten of some light beam in the original ending. The Catalyst (aka Deus Ex Machina Star Brat God Like Stuff) had complete power above Shepard, I mean by that that we had no more dialogue choices except two sentences with no impact on the discussion and Shepard was just like "uh uh okay" listening to the kid speech without the possibility to tell him to go fuck off (the refusal ending and all the dialogue wheels about the choices and the "more information part"came completely out of the Extended Cut). We had no explanations about the Reapers, the Catalyst itself and the Crucible. No further explanations about the three choices at the end. Many more flashbacks were created for the "An End Once And For All" sequence (in the original we only had Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, Tali, Anderson and Joker) after the final choice part all the non-CGI (game graphics) scenes were not there : the Normandy and fleet leaving sequence, the scene where we see two soldiers fighting in London against husks, the relays totally blew up because of the Crucible blast while only the mechanism part exploded in the EC version, the scenes where we see Asaris, Turians and Krogans fighting reapers were added, in the original ending the Normandy was totally caught in the Crucible blast whatever your EMS (this scene and the relays complete obliteration sequence became the low-EMS sequences of the Extended Cut) the Normandy crashed on the jungle planet was the last scene of the original ending and *BAM* credits... (well, the breath scene also occured if you had chosen Destroy and if you had gathered 5000 EMS, an amount impossible to reach without playing MP mode while BioWare stated that it would be possible to get the best ending without doing it that's why the EC brought it back to 3100). All the epilogue scenes (epilogue, memorial and take of scenes) beyond that point were totally new. The after credit scene also already existed (except for the Refusal Ending variation of it) and the message from BioWare after it also got modified (the original was "Cmd Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content"). Now about the music, something like 7 new (awesome epicly eargasmic) soundtracks were created such as the High EMS version of An End Once And For All (the original one was almost two minutes shorter with no violin and final percussion part...)
To make a long story short, yes the EC was really different and way much more satisfying... Some videos of the old endings are still on RUclips check them out ! =)
pieckoyt hey, sry...i just saw your reply now, and i can't say much more than just thanks for the info...so basically i should be happy that i saw the EC right away...i was wondering why so many people complained about the ending, because i found it quite ok, wouldn't know how it could be any different for the better. Also the brainwash theory i read afterwards on the internet seems quite intriguing...
DownwithMarx well i think indoctrination theory fits well withing the information the game provided, and i think it's just a validpoint of view, even tough i doubt the creators thought of that. What ending would you have liked for mass effect?
Ashley has powers of a soldier, Tali has engineer's, Liara has adept's, Miranda has sentinel's, Jack has vanguard's. So if your character's class is soldier, you should romance Ashley, engineer class romance Tali, etc.
The only logical ending to choose i think is synthesis. Destroying the reapers leaves organics and synthetics to kill each off, controlling the reapers leaves shepard a reaper himself and we have no idea what he would do with it, and letting the cycle continue is dumb as hell because then the next cycle of alien people will probably do the same thing or get even farther along into defeating the reapers and will have the same decision to make anyway. Which leads me to think, maybe reapers are all of the previous cycles of people who chose to control the reapers....
For me it's either destroy or synthesis. But according to annoying star child, synthesis already went wrong before. The only real point star child makes against destroying the reapers is that people will soon create new synthetics. But if you look at everything closely, the only ones causing war and death in the end are the reapers themselves. Look at EDI, look at the geth... a galaxy with free organics and synthetics living together in peace is possible. In the end there was no need for the reapers or synthesis. And that's why the destroy ending killing off EDI and the geth still pisses me off. Fuck you Bioware. After all, there is no "good" ending, even though they make it look as if every ending is good.
No, dude you're wrong. In previous cycles they did not finished building the Crucible. Shepard's cycle was the first to reach at that and speak with the God Child.
what do you mean you have no idea what he would do as a reaper? he's YOUR shepard, he'd do whatever YOU would do. because he doesnt BECOME a reaper; controlling the reapers causes shepard to REPLACE the star child and CONTROL THE REAPERS, not become one of them. my shepard made the galaxy a much better place when he took over the citadel and the reapers. and no more synthetics or organics had to die. in fact, he was able to rebuild the galaxy better than it was, restore the husks and other reaper abominations to their former selves, and even restore all the good intelligent races from previous cycles. plus he still has the synthesis option as a backup should he ever feel it is needed. all of this was possible with the combined knowledge and technology of all the previous cycles, along with the power of the reapers. :D
Speedj2 Well, that depends on your Shepard. I didn't like the idea of my Shepard being a good guy all the way without any flaws. So I played him paragade. Which means he still makes mistakes sometimes, and I don't want to risk a whole galaxy. So for my Shep, no control ending.
Anna Alētheia Kinda wrong their in the paragon control ending it sounded pretty nice he helped rebuild everything and defended the galaxy for the rest of reapers eternity its not like he was actively making decisions like he was before he just rebuild everything then...defended
But... that ending is even worse ! Maybe I think that way because I took the official ending fairly well. I just went "that can't be the good ending, did I screw something up ?" during the credits, I didn't demand Bioware to get back to work. But still, I don't want that ending either. At least Bioware's CAN make sense.
imaginarymatter Yeah, I know that. This isn't an answer to the video itself, but to those who say "why isn't this the real ingame ending ? This is so much better". I'm not sure all of them are joking. And ME3's ending was pretty good... As a bad ending. Unless the Indoctrination theory is correct, then it's a great ending.
kirikakirikakirika I think that's just Traynor. The lighting on the Normandy easily makes her look like that at times. It's an easy mistake. See here: i.ytimg.com/vi/2JkytgOdwvQ/maxresdefault.jpg And _is_ she black? She looks more Indian to me.
kirikakirikakirika it's supposed to be traynor. that said, that last bit is just really bothering me. ashely can, by no means, be romanced by a fem shep.
"I can't believe...I didn't pack medigel...on my suicide mission..."
I coulda sworn I had like 8 but I guess they fell off with the suit getting lazered.
Maybe the gel was still there, but the Omni-tool got fried, so Shep had no way to apply it?
Wait a sec...
a brilliant archaeologist attacked while exploring ancient ruins...
who then uses natural ability(powers) and basic weapon skills to develop into a super badass...
who's future life is full of intrigue as she deals with shadowy organizations and plots around the world(s)...
and then uses her archaeology knowledge to uncover lost treasures(the crucible) that can save the day...
I really did choose the tomb raider.
+Michael Roach Liara ftw, bruh
whose*
I guess you could say she's Liara Croft. Get it? xD
I'll show myself out now...
Willy2537 I'm guilty of laughing too much at this
Dion Aji we all are
Shepard: Hey, Harbinger. I guess you could say I am-
Harbinger: Don't you fucking dare-
Shepard: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!!!
***** xDDDDDDDDDDD nice! that is pure gold right there ^^ i want a shirt saying that xDD
Re wan Like a boss :D
***** LOL I love Mass Effect
Predator The Immortal I like crabs
+Nostromo that is brilliant.
Should've had Commander Bailey walk in and say, "Hey Shepard! Looks like you, uh, took care of things."
mclightning88 hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhaa best comment
aAJSJSKSKSKSKS
Omg yeeees
I would never break Tali's heart
I tried to romance Tali, only it apparently turns out the game won't let you if you're playing as female Shepard.
well I'm pretty sure you find that out in me2
Dragonborn2182 Mike Yeah, I probably should have gone with Traynor or Allers.
i would break everyone's heart
when I was dating Tali, Jack got feeling for me and when I was choosing whether to say yes or no to her...I fing sneezed and hit yes...when I talked to her again, I was so depressed
Javik: Commander trow it out the airlock and be done with it
You mean my choices DO MATTER?! Lmao!
friggin +1 ))))))))))) lmfaoooooo
That is how it should have ended
I liked the stand off with the illusive man but I wish it had more meening lol
It seemed they didn't matter in this either though...
"You mean my choices do matter?!" Hahaha that made my day! ME3 Really did make your choices irrelevant, because you get the same damn endings. So, that was priceless!
Smartgaming That's life, some choices are a crossroads that can completely change your history. Not all decisions of equal importance. Only the stupid think the choices did not matter
Smartgaming Sounds like Retardgaming to me.
***** Yep, I have heard that one before... Luuuuvvvv Uuuuuuuu. ;)
Smartgaming O.o
Then, change your attitude man...
***** Ok, explain to me what I did wrong, other than make a joke.
5 years later and the
"Dying Anderson agrees"
"...I'm dying?"
line makes me burst out laughing everytime
After 10 years It makes me laugh too
The best choice would have been to have no choice at all at the end and just have one cohesive ending to wrap it all up. Of course the only villain more destructive and fiendish than the Reapers is....EA.
If you mean that all your choices you made over the course of the games should have impacted the ending, then I'm on board. If you're saying that the ending should always be the same, disregarding entire personalized experience,... then not so much.
Deus Ex (the new one) had the same kind of ending, where you had to chose between three different outcomes, after the final confrontation, But somehow it made more sense in that game or felt more organic
Though I'm not sure why exaclty I didn't mind it in Deus Ex whereas in Mass Effect it felt weird. Both games are about choices during the game and presenting you with a moral question at the end, saying "now that you have played the game and have experienced this world/universe: what opinion have you formed? what conclusions have you arrived at, at? Which philosophy will you follow to resolve this story?
Maybe the ending(s) of Mass Effect was slightly weird, because the whole "organic Vs synthetic"-deal at the end really comes out of nowhere plus it just seems forcefully constructed that machines and synthetics MUST eventually be at war with each other. Why? How is this worse than Organics constantly fighting organics?
Sure you're often fighting the geth but you were also fighting a ton of organics in all mass effect games, and there really wasn't any pervasive structure about this conflict between machine and man throughout the game. It just suddenly is a thing.
shoot the starchild in the head and the circel contion
Paul Szkibik I agree. The idea that synthetics and organics must be at war is very flawed logic, but I suppose that's the point.
I think it would have been interesting if you could've charmed/intimidated the Catylist to leave organics alone if you met certain requirements, like making peace between the Quarians and Geth, recruiting the Leviathan (if that DLC is installed), having the conversation with Anderson after the Illusive Man on the Citadel, having a full Reputation bar, and having a certain EMS score. This would prove that organics and synthetics could live in peace, the Reapers' own creators disagreed with their logic, indoctrination is flawed and pervious, and organics are powerful enough to defeat the Reapers. Then, if you convinced the Catylist, the Repears would all leave, the Normandy would come and get Shepard, EDI and the Geth don't die, and everything else plays out like the Destroy ending.
What I'm saying is have one ending the same no matter what you did and just have your choices actually effect the final battle; making it hard/easier or just different based on who is still alive and allied to your cause.
That was one of my big gripes about the ending that you put in all that work but really don't get to see it have any noticeable effect. Yeah there are maybe a few more ships in that cutscene you get to see for a min but big deal. I wanted to see Krogan and Rachni on the battlefield tearing up Reapers, maybe some Geth show up and leave you some powerful weapons before a big fight. You know something tangible to make that effort worth it.
At the very least it should have been the choice was made in the background based on your previous choices rather than a blatant, immersion breaking ending-o-matic vending machine choice. Hmmm do I want the diet ending or maybe the cherry flavor...who cares I can just reload the save and do them all in a few minutes!
capthavic
I'm impressed. You came back and commented.
I also agree with your assessment.
Bioware should have just told the ME fans they wanted to kill Sheperd so they could start a new series instead of screwing us over with crap endings. They went through 3 bloody games, the least they could have done is given us the satisfaction of a decent ending. Not to mention the plot holes.
Though as much as i complain, this is my favourite game. Anderson's death came as a total surprise and im ashamed to say when it happened i was completely balling. It sucks that he survived through the whole war, always supported Sheperd and then died when it was finally over.
It was meant to be a triology, and why is everyone crying about shepard dying?The triology ends with a sacrifice, why is that bad?
@@miguelpadeiro762 sheppard is the f*cking protagonist
"Femshep gets all the luck" well Maleshep gets Tali so its fair game mate!
Nah Garrus is a bro! Could never do that
Femshep gets the babes too so Maleshep gets thrown under the bus again...
@Rick O'Shay Femshep gets Garrus...all the love interest she could ever want or need. There's no Shepard without Vakarian
@Rick O'Shay maleshep is better imo
I agree with maleshep getting Tali
Best ending: FemShep appears and walks into the sunset with Garrus
With a lot of krogan kids :D
You mean Traynor.
Yes
Ironically, Laura Croft was in a hit game a year later.
" Hi, I am Commander Shepperd and this is my favourite channel " Lol..
This channel and every other shop on the Citadel...
Is that an SFMLab reference?
Am I here the only one who liked Liara?
+toongrowner1 no i loved her too
Don't be silly everyone loved liara
+M W speak for your self I hate her by the godess whooo
Majority prefer Liara on every survey I have seen. We are just not as vocal as the Talimancers.
+toongrowner1 no I liked her to
Better ending : After Shepard destroys the Reapers,cut to 2 years later,where we see Shepard smoking cigarretes with chicks at his feet.Also,Renegade option where you shoot the StarChild,or throw it out of the Airlock.
In the directors cut extended ending whatever the hell dlc, You can shoot the little kid and get a secret ending :D
DLC DLC :P Secret ending like captain said, and cmon Chicks at his feet:P? i worked on getting a romance so il just bang 1 :P
chukky1124 if you have not seen the reply to this elsewhere. if you shoot the kid he says "so be it" or something like that in a deep voice. Then it cuts to a green planet and goes underground where liara is a Virtual interface explaining how everyone died and now it is up to this round of civilizations to work together and win. like mass effect 1 and the prothean VI, but I guess it is more akin to ME3 and that prothean VI as the only one who essentially knows what the dues ex machina device (push this to win) is, and he dies. It was a good edition and the only ending that actually makes sense. I just finished ME3 and thought I hadn't gone through the extended cut ending, its still bad.
It was supposed to be a-la Duke Nukem.
Though you lose against the Reapers no matter how much preparation you do.
THIS....IS....HOW....THE GAME WAS SUPPOSE TO END!
Huh you watched this, tf
@Orange same with you
@Orange indeed
I JUST WANTED TO LIVE WITH TALI ON RANNOCH
Just recently played all three games. I didn't mind the ending that much. It was fine. I only would've wanted the Geth to stay alive with the red choice. That's it.
IIKaiserII Exactly!
But then, that alone would've made it everyone's preferred choice? All the three choices in the game are carefully balanced. Sure, not making a choice is also a choice. And you're heavily criticised in the DLC for it!
***** Except of course it makes no sense. Shepard spends 3 games making choices and arguing points but when it comes to the final, most important moment of the entire story, Shepard isn't even allowed to make the simple logical argument that (assuming you've united the Quarian and Geth) they've broken the cycle by uniting the galaxy, proving the Reapers wrong. By the end the only AI that's a threat is Starchild and his Reapers. The last time I played the game (which was back when the extended ending stuff was added) I deliberately chose not to pick one of the three arbitrary options in protest and I haven't played the game since.
jedsithor But the Quarians and Geth are only united (yes, I did it) by using the Reaper-code itself! So, we can safely assume that the Geth went through a form of Synthesis. Who is to say that the future, non Reaper-coded, synthetic species will not rebel, then?
Also, the Catalyst wasn't there to debate anything. Neither was Shepard. He was there to activate the Crucible...later, to make a decision. *And even if you convinced the Catalyst, that the organics and synthetics could unite, what did you expect him to do?* Although, an AI, he was quite 'robotic' in nature, still. And when Shepard arrived at the Citadel, he realised that the current cycle was ready to use the Crucible. So, he had already surrendered and was just helping Shepard to make a choice.
So, you can't argue that you aren't given a choice in the end. If your Shepard believes that this cycle has a solution to the organics-synthetics problem, he should choose 'Destroy' because having a solution negates the need of the Reapers in the first place. The Catalyst himself would have recommended it! Really, how hard is it to grasp?
P.S. - I understand you're probably a fan who just wanted a happy ending. But well, there are no happy endings. Even in real life, in the end...we die!
***** It's not about a happy ending, it's about an ending that makes sense and is a logical conclusion to the game. It's about an ending that takes your choices throughout the three games into account beyond an arbitrary number, an ending that comes down to more than just picking one of three colours. Saren wanted synthesis. Illusive Man wanted control so already, we have two choices that amount to what your enemies wanted to do and Destroy, the only viable option, results in the Geth being killed too, making your efforts to save them utterly pointless.
What's so laughable is that the Catalyst itself is AI. The Catalyst is telling you that AI's are going to destroy all organic life even though, depending on your play through you can unite the quarian and geth AND get EDI to have a relationship with Joker. The Catalyst is proven to be completely wrong. The same catalyst who is the very thing he calls a danger - an AI.
The ending is completely illogical and the reason it's illogical is because it was changed months before the release. The big reveal was supposed to be about Dark Energy but the script leaked so they changed it, making it about AI but of course they forgot about that whole sequence where you can potentially give an entire race of machines a "soul" for lack of a better word and prove the Catalyst wrong.
jedsithor The game does take your choices throughout the three games into account. Did you cure the genophage? Did you save the Quarians, the Council, Destiny Ascension, different members of your squad? It all shows in the final moments of the game, or in the last slideshow. And all play a role in the fight against the Reapers. And about the Crucible, its like a laser-beam gun and the Catalyst is its knob (for type-selector) So, there's nothing wrong with the three colours thing.
See...this is why I say you wanted a happy ending. You wanted the Geth to be saved in the 'Destroy' ending, and then it would've been perfect for you. But life isn't perfect. So, what are you gonna about it? Once the galaxy realised the scale and impact of the Reaper invasion, everyone knew what they were getting into. And they were all willing to die fighting the Reapers. You can feel sad about not being able to save the Geth and blame the developers, because its a game. But if it were real life, who would you blame then? Yourself?
And just because you previous enemies wanted something that was different from what you wanted then, isn't reason enough for you to not choose it now. Specially clearly when new facts have been brought to light. They were wrong because they were indoctrinated, but you aren't! (Or maybe you're...fan of the Indoctrination Theory here.) If you want to save the Geth, too...you should choose 'Control'. It isn't such a bad ending, neither is 'Synthesis'. A guy like Shepard (assuming yours was paragon enough) deserves to control the Reapers.
If you think the Catalyst is wrong, destroy the Reapers. Like I said earlier, he's there only to help. And you must understand that the Reapers are a different form of synthetics. Their coding is different. The reason why they aren't wiping every organic off the galaxy themselves. Moreover, being an AI, the Catalyst will never acknowledge something that'll threaten his own existence! The fact that the organics and synthetics can unite, makes his (and the Reapers') existence pointless. The final moment, like most of the game, is about choice. And Bioware made sure to make this last decision the biggest and most difficult in the game! This is why many people are sad, or complaining.
Nope! Again wrong. About the Dark Energy ending, the creator of that ending, former employee of Bioware, himself has said that it would have made an even worse ending for the trilogy. It didn't made much sense, and they were just exploring the idea, during Mass Effect 2. You know how the Dark Energy ending would've felt? I think it would've seemed like the game was using big, scientific terms to escape giving a sensible explanation for the action of the Reapers. That's what the developers were doing, infact! Atleast in this one, we know what's happening, though some might not like it. *Do you've any reasonably better ending ideas, though? Would love to hear those!*
I'm still angry at EA for what the did to the mass effect series.
Yup.
But now Bethesda's done worse
+Rensune Maybe...
EA infiltrated Zenimax and took over Bethesda. But then again. I wear tin foills.
+cooliofir135 As much as unfair the choices were they do make SOME sense. I mean across the entire series people keep up bringing up how the potential of A.I. is dangerous. Though in all honestly I did wish that we had the choice to just say "fuck this shit" and make only the reapers to die instead of all synthetic life. I mean WTF I like EDI and Legion.
+cooliofir135 you know this game is based out of reality though, right?
I chose the destruction ending, because I thought there was a scene with Shepard reuniting with his love interest, in my case Miranda.
Was disappointed... chose the synthetics ending on my second play through which I find the best ending.
Why wasnt Liara in one of the balloons?
or Jack? nobody likes Jack
nobody likes a pissed off bitch with a heart of gold? aww.....
Because she, like all other chicks, is a dummy for romance. And Tali stands above them all.
I always pick Tali
Yep.
+JAYDOG1337A Tali is awesome.
***** the accent is the best part, makes her even more of an exotic beauty.
your a good man
+Saul M. you're
0/10 no Miranda balloon
+Campbell Trigg no happy ending there that's why
+Campbell Trigg no Liara either
+Hugo Ago go No Just fuck it ending too.
*Micheal Jackson
Miranda has ballons in all the right places.
The real reason to choose FemShep: Jennifer Hale.
fuckgoogle I don't know...the male Shepard sounds just as good, if not better?
***** No. ManShep has the hero voice down. But when it gets slightly more intense FemShep is always better.
PauLtus B So, male Shep has a better paragon voice, then. How does it makes female Shep's voice superior?
Most of the time we spend around in dialogues is inquiring. And male Shepard has the perfect voice for it! Curious, with a hint of sensitive.
***** I wouldn't even nessecarily say he always has a better paragon voice. ManShep just has a calm yet powerful voice, which does demand attention and respect, in most of these cases FemShep actually sounds a bit rougher, and maybe not as likeable. But at the moments when he needs to break out of that role, I actually think he still does really well with renegade, maybe he's more intimidating because it seems he'll never lose it, if he's evil, he's methodical, not acting out of rage, might very well be equal with FemShep. But with more angry paragon moments and with the more intimate moments he's just not that convincing to me.
PauLtus B For the intimate moments, he seemed pretty convincing to me. My Shepard was a paragon, war-hero spacer and I never once felt an issue with his voice. His voice is perfect for the character! He has a naturally strong voice. Confident, and dominating. He doesn't needs to rough it up, like Jane. Cause, let's be honest, at the basics, not many take threats from a girl seriously...specially not the bad guys. So, she has to put in way more effort. As for the male Shep, he doesn't have that problem. He doesn't needs to raise his voice to prove that he will kill you. He's Commander Shepard of the Normandy!
Tali > Lara Croft
I agree but why are they comparable?
Dank Potatoes
Because the video implies that Lara Croft is better
Will Scharnagl Tali for the win.
Will Scharnagl Does tali even have a face?
*****
Does it even matter?
How can any self-respecting male Shepard not choose Tali? She's adorkable!
my tali jumped of the cliff lol
Ah I flip flop between her and liara
@@pritok6 how dare you not use the charm option to get peace between the geth and quariens.
Because I always go for the definition of loyal girl, Liara freaking T’Soni.
She’s so cute, loyal, sweet, badass and you get to romance her in all three games
@@sirnilsolav6646 yeah that definitely constitutes Tali as well. The only reason she didn't go with you immediately was because she had prior engagements. The second they were done she joined you on the Normandy. Liara has an annoying voice.
Fem Shephards don't get all the luck because we don't get Tali
+GeorgeMonet oh boo hoo. She sucks anyway. She died by a Collector getting a lucky headshot on her in ME2 with those weird energy ball things. Didn't care one bit.
+Matt Allen What about Garrus?
You get Garrus, I wish I had Garrus.
Who the fuck would choose Ash over Tali, Jack, Miranda or Liara?
+Red Sniper Shes annoying and the others are way more hot^^
Yes.
+Red Sniper Are you confused, or are you trying to confuse me?
+Red Sniper Thats not an answer to my question :D
Red Sniper Your not a man of many words, are you?
I accept this as the true ending. And yes I'm still sore
I definitely agree, and I'm still in hatred for the in game ending. let's see what color do you like shep red, blue or green? Oh and by the way no mater what color you like you die, the mass relays are destroyed, the reapers die and all the hard work you put into getting the perfect romance is put to waste.
me too, I don't think I'll ever not be.
that game is my most disappointing experience in entertainment.
agreed, the ME 3 ending was basically sucks on ice. I hated it so much that I was unable to replay the games for over a year, knowing that piece of epic disappointment laid in wait. It took the MEHE mod for me to be able to enjoy the games again.
Rawen1982 lucky you, I cant use that mod on my console so I'm just not gonna play.
Dragonborn2182 Mike My sympathies. Hopefully Bioware can give us a better ending in the ME:A without messing it up
TALI IS BAE
keelah se'lai
yea
yeah she is i just wished that sheperd could have rejected liara in more gentle way, she hit on him two times and even saved his life she deserved at least gentler rejection ;-;
Nacho -Marti i'm gonna keelah bitch
Keelah se'lai
No, Keelah B***h
Thanks Gammer Poop
SimonDP no its keelah boshtet
The reaper getting their ass whopped after hours of playing... That alone would've been a perfect ending.
ZacEffron
It does but along with the Reapers you lose EDI and the Geth. If you were able to broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth all of that gets thrown out the window. Hours of hard work gone.
sundawg911 Yep.. i chose the geth and in the end they just died together with EDI ;(( and my fav chars died too -- garus and liara :(( sad ending i chose.. but truly epic game!
sundawg911
You should check out the Indoctrination theory
sundawg911 Hence why Synthesis is the better ending.
MegaRogash The Indoctrination Theory still doesnt help the case.Still your actions throughout the game doesnt matter and it makes the last entry in the series even more pointless.
Better ending: Shepard has a foursome with Ashley, Tali and Samantha.
+Knwldg S Th Ky T Sccs? clearly its an Orgy
who needs ashly when ya can fuck kaidan
I want to see that
Well you have a problem here.
Tali only like maleshep and Samantha only likes FemShep
Samantha was so cute when she wanted to tell her friends she beat Commander Shepard in chess and then broke his heart. Best rejection ever! But seriously those emails of hers were steamy
Why would you break Tali's heart.... ;_;
+John Howard This is why in my Nathan Shepard's story, the Crucible runs on the power of love and friendship and not Windows Vista, so it actually works. The Reapers blow up, synthetics are still saved, and he goes back to Tali just fine. :P
+John Howard she's just another suit-rat. Who cares?
+Matt Allen . . . . .just. . .another. . .suit-rat?
YOU HERETIC ~BLAM~
Indeed, why would you want to hurt something so sweet and innocent?
John Howard Yeah! Tali is a little angel. If you save both, she even says that the Geth DO have souls. She's a sweetheart. How COULD you?! T___T
I picked Tali! Best reward was her picture of her face next to my bed.
messquiz Nothing says love like a google stock photo painted blue
@@sirprize275it’s the thought that matters
Indoctrination Theory is the best possible idea for the ending I've seen.
***** right
How does the Prothean Beacon disappear with "Indoctrinated presence detected" when Kai Leng walks in (but speaks to Shepard and Co.) and spouting its "You're attempting to recover me from indoctrinated forces?" in the Cerberus headquarters, Liara's insistence in the Cerberus Headquarters that it IS you Shepard, and even the freaking Catalyst's "He could not control us, for we controlled him" line allow the possibility of Shepard being indoctrinated to exist?
Jared Masten To begin with, the structure of your massive sentence made it much more difficult to decipher what you're trying to say, than it should have been.
Secondly, your question shows that you don't know what Indoctrination Theory is. *It never said Sheppard was indoctrinated the whole time*. I suggest you go check out the video, as it's not only really cool, but would address your questions.
For now though, the point you make with the Prothean Beacon and Liara is easily addressed by saying that Sheppard is not indoctrinated at those points. The catalyst's words are also irrelevant because the entire ending sequence is taking place in Sheppard's mind, according to IndocTheory. The catalyst is a reaper trying to complete indoctrination by persuading you that can work with the Reapers.
The conversation is appearing in his mind from a Reaper? Then why isn't the Reaper going "Control Control Control Control Control" or suggest that there was nothing for him to do but shoot the Catalyst(thus letting the Reapers complete their reaping). Why would a millennia old being of incomprehensible size, strength, and intelligence say "Oh btw the way, shoot those things up there to destroy every synthetic.....damn it"? Why not just tell him about the Control option as being the only way? Another point, why would attempting to shoot the Catalyst do anything if it was a hallucination? And best reason of all, why manifest as something that is giving him information? Why didn't this Reaper say nothing and let Shepard try to figure out what did what?
Jared Masten
It's still very clear that you don't know what Indoctrination Theory is, and that you haven't done as I said and watched the video on it.
I don't have the time or inclination to explain things that would be addressed if you bothered to actually watch a simple youtube video. If you can't even take the time to watch a video, why should I waste my time explaining anything? I shouldn't, and I won't.
Yes, The reapers should have all just gotten blown up. I would have been ALOT more happy with that ending. I never wanted my mass effect universe to end!
Extended cut DLC destroy ending.
***** with 3100 EMS
***** Aye but the universe remains,more or less in tact.
And u still wake up afterward... meaning they didnt blow up
you broke Tali's heart? I hope this Shepard dies >:D
Uuh i made my Tali jump off a cliff :c
ImHiDef Same here, as I said :S Didn't know that was gonna happen..
ImHiDef good lord man, I made peace, my friend told me the geth are one of his most favorite species and I told him what happens if you choose the geth he said (he also made peace)
"Oh well that kinda sucks"
my response "Tali dies too"
his response "Oh fuck that then (sorry geth)"
Middlefingerstudios1
i chose the geth because my logic was that there were enough organic lifeforms in the galaxy and also the quarins suck they got kicked of their own planet because they feared their own creation
karl prankard you can actually choose both
Pathetic. Organics cannot create a simple ending. And Shepard, WHY THE fUCK WOULDNT YOU CHOose TALI?!
Tali is cute. If (my) Shepard were not already taken by Lady Blue Tentacles, she'd be worth a shot.
Sovereign no mmm.....asss.
Sovereign You'll never succeed. You want to know why?
Because we have BATMAN!!
SonOfMyths73
I have an army.
Sovereign And we've a Commander Shepard of the Normandy, and apparently this is his favourite site on the extranet.
ffs, why complain about mass effects ending when nothing you do in the walking dead (a game 100% based on choices) changes anything?!
Besides WD not being over, the big difference is closure and futility. WD is an interactive story, while ME is your adventure where you made many social, military and political changes in that universe that would be immediately ignored in an ending that was ultimately the same. Not even the ending cinematic, but the ending battle act was affected. They had to re-release the ending to cover up most of the things they overlooked, but the ending is still quite asinine. The fans may be immature, but it should serve as a reminder that a shitty ending is a shitty ending and you should not be praised for it.
you don't get closer on shit when you're dead.
Well, I guess there are quite a lot reasons.
First of all: The Walking Dead is a 10 hour game you can get for 20$, while Mass Effect is a trilogy, that people have been waiting for 5 years and were spending like 150$ and 100 hours of gameplay on it.
Other than that, the ending in TWD at least makes sense, while Mass Effect just throws a nonsensical, lying child at you in the last 10 minutes. The choises in TWD maybe don't matter that much, but the experience and the ending make way more sense and are a lot more satisfying.
Also TWD was advertised with "Player choice matteres", which is true. Maybe there wasn't that much difference, but at least you had the feeling of changing something. TWD wasn't about changing the plot, but about determining if your caharacter's personality. It might be an illusion, but it was done well. Plus TWD never said "Hey guys, there will multiple endings". Mass Effect on the other hand litterally said "There will be widely different endings and you won't be able to tell if you got ending A, B or C" which is just not true.
Also TWD is only the first game of the series. So maybe we shouldn't compare it to the final game of a trilogy. If you think about Mass Effect 1 instead there weren't a whole lot of endings either, right?^^
Thanks for clearing that up. I was just curious as no-one had ever called bullshit on TWD.
MidgetTopHatGaming Yes I completely Agree with him except for one point, Never played TWD, but also, Games 1 and 2 were building up to the idea of choices matter, I remember thinking "should I destroy the collector base, or use it, its probably going to backfire, I want a good ending, I'll destroy it" there were major decisions in earlier games that were just SPAT ON in ME3 I think they decided it was worth 300 battle readiness points if using it or something, which I easily surpassed in regular game play. Even The ending in ME2 seemed more varied, based on your group choices, you would be successful or not and that determines who if any, survives and is saved, the biggest difference with ME3 would be either you did well and people *can* survive or did awful and they all die. I actually feel kind of disapointed that they kept track of every decision and then only half of it seems to alter the outcome lol
i always chose Tali,she's just cool and adorable
and the one time i tried playing femshep i romanced Garrus,because...Garrus...
because Garrus is a Tali for femshep
1. Tali all day everyday 2. This HISHE was actually not very good
SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE (or I this universe, not to have sex with you). FemShep/Ashley forever.
Commisar...
You are wrong
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And no...
You cannot *BLAM* me
I have a bigger hat
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Dragonborn2182 Mike
Warhammer 40K
jokes
Tali sux and her cringeworthy "singing" in the Citadel DLC
Happy N7 day!!! I know most people agree that Mass Effect 2 is the better of the 3 games, but I think that if you download all the DLC for Mass Effect 3 (Leviathan, Omega, Citadel, and the new improved endings), that Mass Effect 3 might actually be better than 2. Just sayin'.....
It's 2018 and I'm still mad about that ending...
What kind of monster broke Tali's heart?!
Good God, even the HISHE ending sucked...I guess there won't be satisfaction for us poor ME players...
i was with Tali from the Start.
Same.
Man where's Miranda. Or maybe Miranda AND Lara Croft!?
Should have been Tali and Shep build a new home
not being able to pick Liara, HISHE I am dissapoint
Hmm, that was almost as confusing as the actual ending.
Why have you popped back up on my recommended. After all this time. Kinda like it
it came back too for me but somehow my like button of it was not pressed anymore dafuq YT
I would have liked it to go like this:
Shepard: How can I stop the Reapers?
Catalyst: Oh, just press that button over there.
Shepard: Really? It's just that easy?
Catalyst: Yeah, what, were you expecting some morally ambiguous choice.
Shepard: Well, you know, just something not so anticlimactic.
Catalyst: Life is anticlimactic.
Screw the balloons, I want Liara.
"I am commandant Shepard, and this is my favourite channel on youtube" xD Great
i choose tali from the second to third and it worked out well. unfortunately i'm curious about the ME4 game they're going to be making.
I did the same, I just started playing the games a few months ago (didn't even knew there was romance in the first one, I recruited liara too late and Ashley might have blown up...), I did not regret it :D
takli romance in the third3 one you can see what she actually looks like behind that mask.
mercnos As I said, I did romance her, so i know, but I am pissed that bioware just did a stock photo from google, if they had put that face on an in-game model I would be happy, in other words I like her face, just not the execution of it
the best romance in a all 3 games
Anton Shchedro agreed
best ending:
choose female shepard, just because you can. (no femism bullshit, no worry)
shoot the leader of ceberus, make a copy of your self and your memories, we have seen quiet some time that it is possible. Use the copy to get controll over the reaper and let them destory them self. Shoot Harbinger, this little idiot, who created the actual whole problem in the first place doesn't deserve it any other way. make a "and don't meet me in my dreams ever again" oneliner or something like that. Return to your crew. End your soldier carrier and start a live and family with Liara. BOOM! it would have been so easy, but no, clichee turns with clichee tragic and darkness...
easy last choice, tali =3
Mass Effect 2 is still the best ME for me. Your choices mattered to determine who'll be alive in the end.
How much war assets you have on the end actually does determine if the Normandy lives and how much of the universe is affected but ME2 has more choices that affect the ending.
Remember those things called shields that protects you from bullets.
Yeah! Me neither.
1:Ashley=racist 2:Tali= socially awkward 3:Trayner= only fem Shepard
Doonnnnt know who to choose!
I chooossse number 2!
Gabriel Schlise Miranda! Dat ass!
I never understood the Citadel DLC why John Shep couldn't get into the hot tub with Traynor. If she's not attracted to him then it should just be like a couple of friends relaxing. Always bugged me.
Please. We all know the real romance is between MaleShep and Garrus.
Jan Suchomel I know what I said.
Thanks for making this video. My favorite quote was: "So my choices DO matter?!"
No Liara? Come on, Liara was my girl! Hot with a heart of a history nerd.
I was just thinking, Medi gel. Brah.
I choose Pikachu !
Femshep the best Shep
Enough said
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How mass effect SHOULD have ended. I present to you, THE PERFECT ENDING:
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Thank god my browsing history automatically clears itself every time O close the browser.
+FORMINCRAFTIA *I
+S4r0m 16 should be dlc at least lol
too bad it didn't happen :'(..........or did it?
Tali!
lol i would have chose tali
I would have gone with Liara, she is just such a gentle soul... Towards Shepard... And Hot... And blue... And Possibly Hermaphrodite... With Tentacles for Hair... She was a virgin and you were the one that made her a woman... Yeah, I really don't get why anyone would choose Samantha Treynor over freaking Liara, Tali, Jack, and even Miranda(if you play as Renegade). Tali is funny, Jack is crazy and vulnerable on the inside and that makes her really attractive to me, Miranda is fucked up in the head but both really attractive and badass and also (evil)Shepard and her dialogues are really fun.
Those hips don't lie.
i just finished me3 and would of liked this ending better
Really, the very minimum they would have had to do to make me happy with the pre-EC endings was to take the "destroy all synthetics" part of the destroy ending out. I do actually understand why it does (If you picked the Geth or created peace, they use Reaper tech to achieve full sentience, and EDI was built using Reaper tech). But then by that definition, the destroy ending should also immediately kill all implanted Cerberus troops as well. Regardless, that destroy requires killing the Geth and EDI is a sudden and unavoidable consequence that is not priorly hinted before this point and eliminates all the investments made into the Geth and EDI storylines in one fell swoop.
I hate to say that, but this was even worse than ME 3 ending ...
I'd choose femShep to Begin with ;)
I choose MShep + Tali,always :3
Tali is the only reason to play Male!Shep
The sorta Buddy Cop thing with Garrus is cool too though
MaleShep+ Tali along with Femshep + Garrus are the best ways to play the trilogy =D
I know a lot of people weren't happy with how the Mass Effect trilogy ended, but I really enjoyed the ending. Having "refused" on my first playthrough, I thought it was a genuine ending considering how the game essentially starts (our Cycle gets help from the last one to have this option, and who's to say that the Proteans didn't get the same opportunity to choose). I replayed the game another 3 times for the sake of really playing through each ending, and I can honestly say that I was thoroughly pleased with each ending. They all make sense and stay true to the spirit of the game. My only regret was that the "synthesis" option costs Miranda's life. But, that was only because she was my favourite character. The whole "genetically engineered to be perfect" with increased intelligence, enhanced strength and metabolism and all that jazz, etc, sort of set her up to be the future of humanity after The Illusive Man took her in. I would've liked to have been able to save her because of how they made her out to be, but it wasn't to be.
I know I'll get criticism for this, but it's my own personal opinion and I'm curious to know if anyone else enjoyed and/or appreciated the ending to my favourite video game franchise.
*****
The other problem with the ending is that if you take the indoctrination theory into account, the writers were more interested in the psychological trick of "indoctrinating" even the player.
While that was impressive storytelling on some level, it just disregarded what most players wanted.
The conforntation with the Illusive man in the end becomes a pure figment, so it NEVER gets resolved and his whole setup in ME2 becomes a lead in to this final gag!
Further, and actually the worst, the writers obviously had NO idea, or were not willing to think of an actual way to defeat the reapers. None at all.
Even if we get the best ending possible, were Shepard actually survives, we never get any sufficient explanation how we win, just get told that we do. (Even worse that you need MORE war reinforcements than the bar shows to unlock that ending. Cheap ass fucking stunt.)
It's just a clear example of writers so in love with their vision that htey never took a step back and lokked at what the game meant to the players.
I wanted to beat the reapers and get a story solution. What the game could give me at best was a: "Shepard survives (maybe)/ We win!"
The writers probably thought incorporating so many of our choices into the story leading up to it would fulfill the players, as we are basically at the ending already at the start of ME3, but I could have read the wiki for that if they won't bother to tell me HOW it ends.
PLEASE make Infamous 2 HISHE! I can't wait to see that one!
Shepard: * has the option to pick Tali *
Also Shepard: * breaks Tali's heart and chooses Lara Croft. *
I don't know if I can speak for everyone else but that sounds like he chose....poorly
Tali isn't even the best option in mass effect 2
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You should have rolled as Femshep. Kaiden has more personality than Broshep and Kaiden's personality is blander than enriched white sandwich bread.
You were clearly spawned by the devil. Kaiden is amazing.
No, Kaiden is terrible. He dies in every ME1 playthrough. The only choices for femshep are Liara or Traynor. Garrus is cool but ew.
I can finally watch this after completing it last night 😂
You guys should make a female shepherd Version when we get close to the next video game that comes out in 2023 or 2024
I chose tali, she is perfect
I would have gone for tali
i think i have seen only the ending of the dlc, is it a lot different?
Here are the differences : the evac scene of your squadmates was added, before that Shep was scripted-shot by Harbinger and your squads magicly vanished. The Crucible arrival scene on the battlefield was added and the animation of Shep arriving on the Citadel was modified. The Crucible docking scene had a line of dialogue added and a Low-EMS version of the scene was created. When Shep is elevated to the final room the platform he's lying was enlighten of some light beam in the original ending. The Catalyst (aka Deus Ex Machina Star Brat God Like Stuff) had complete power above Shepard, I mean by that that we had no more dialogue choices except two sentences with no impact on the discussion and Shepard was just like "uh uh okay" listening to the kid speech without the possibility to tell him to go fuck off (the refusal ending and all the dialogue wheels about the choices and the "more information part"came completely out of the Extended Cut). We had no explanations about the Reapers, the Catalyst itself and the Crucible. No further explanations about the three choices at the end. Many more flashbacks were created for the "An End Once And For All" sequence (in the original we only had Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Garrus, Tali, Anderson and Joker) after the final choice part all the non-CGI (game graphics) scenes were not there : the Normandy and fleet leaving sequence, the scene where we see two soldiers fighting in London against husks, the relays totally blew up because of the Crucible blast while only the mechanism part exploded in the EC version, the scenes where we see Asaris, Turians and Krogans fighting reapers were added, in the original ending the Normandy was totally caught in the Crucible blast whatever your EMS (this scene and the relays complete obliteration sequence became the low-EMS sequences of the Extended Cut) the Normandy crashed on the jungle planet was the last scene of the original ending and *BAM* credits... (well, the breath scene also occured if you had chosen Destroy and if you had gathered 5000 EMS, an amount impossible to reach without playing MP mode while BioWare stated that it would be possible to get the best ending without doing it that's why the EC brought it back to 3100). All the epilogue scenes (epilogue, memorial and take of scenes) beyond that point were totally new. The after credit scene also already existed (except for the Refusal Ending variation of it) and the message from BioWare after it also got modified (the original was "Cmd Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content"). Now about the music, something like 7 new (awesome epicly eargasmic) soundtracks were created such as the High EMS version of An End Once And For All (the original one was almost two minutes shorter with no violin and final percussion part...)
To make a long story short, yes the EC was really different and way much more satisfying... Some videos of the old endings are still on RUclips check them out ! =)
pieckoyt hey, sry...i just saw your reply now, and i can't say much more than just thanks for the info...so basically i should be happy that i saw the EC right away...i was wondering why so many people complained about the ending, because i found it quite ok, wouldn't know how it could be any different for the better. Also the brainwash theory i read afterwards on the internet seems quite intriguing...
HiiPPi3
Indoctrination Theory is cool, but it's not real. The EC makes the endings better, but they are still awful.
DownwithMarx well i think indoctrination theory fits well withing the information the game provided, and i think it's just a validpoint of view, even tough i doubt the creators thought of that.
What ending would you have liked for mass effect?
Anderson "im dying"
Tali! Tali! Choose Tali!
Oh god this is much worse than the game's ending .
MrBizaaro I agree.
MrBizaaro I'm afraid that's impossible :3
MrBizaaro how is ending up with Lara Croft bad?
***** Point taken, but on a much realistic note, Lara would've died by 2177 something. So...
Tali of course
This was pretty spot on. Making hard choices while having absolutely no idea what their consequences might be that's what Mass Effect is all about:-D
Ashley has powers of a soldier, Tali has engineer's, Liara has adept's, Miranda has sentinel's, Jack has vanguard's. So if your character's class is soldier, you should romance Ashley, engineer class romance Tali, etc.
Am I the only one who liked Ashley?
Adam Malczewski i liked Ashley, but wasnt my first choice.
Where's Miranda?
You and me both pal.
i was waiting for the "we'll bang okay" at the end lol
The only logical ending to choose i think is synthesis. Destroying the reapers leaves organics and synthetics to kill each off, controlling the reapers leaves shepard a reaper himself and we have no idea what he would do with it, and letting the cycle continue is dumb as hell because then the next cycle of alien people will probably do the same thing or get even farther along into defeating the reapers and will have the same decision to make anyway. Which leads me to think, maybe reapers are all of the previous cycles of people who chose to control the reapers....
For me it's either destroy or synthesis. But according to annoying star child, synthesis already went wrong before. The only real point star child makes against destroying the reapers is that people will soon create new synthetics. But if you look at everything closely, the only ones causing war and death in the end are the reapers themselves. Look at EDI, look at the geth... a galaxy with free organics and synthetics living together in peace is possible. In the end there was no need for the reapers or synthesis.
And that's why the destroy ending killing off EDI and the geth still pisses me off. Fuck you Bioware. After all, there is no "good" ending, even though they make it look as if every ending is good.
No, dude you're wrong. In previous cycles they did not finished building the Crucible. Shepard's cycle was the first to reach at that and speak with the God Child.
what do you mean you have no idea what he would do as a reaper? he's YOUR shepard, he'd do whatever YOU would do. because he doesnt BECOME a reaper; controlling the reapers causes shepard to REPLACE the star child and CONTROL THE REAPERS, not become one of them. my shepard made the galaxy a much better place when he took over the citadel and the reapers. and no more synthetics or organics had to die. in fact, he was able to rebuild the galaxy better than it was, restore the husks and other reaper abominations to their former selves, and even restore all the good intelligent races from previous cycles. plus he still has the synthesis option as a backup should he ever feel it is needed. all of this was possible with the combined knowledge and technology of all the previous cycles, along with the power of the reapers. :D
Speedj2
Well, that depends on your Shepard. I didn't like the idea of my Shepard being a good guy all the way without any flaws. So I played him paragade. Which means he still makes mistakes sometimes, and I don't want to risk a whole galaxy. So for my Shep, no control ending.
Anna Alētheia Kinda wrong their in the paragon control ending it sounded pretty nice he helped rebuild everything and defended the galaxy for the rest of reapers eternity its not like he was actively making decisions like he was before he just rebuild everything then...defended
But... that ending is even worse !
Maybe I think that way because I took the official ending fairly well. I just went "that can't be the good ending, did I screw something up ?" during the credits, I didn't demand Bioware to get back to work.
But still, I don't want that ending either. At least Bioware's CAN make sense.
Um... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but this video is meant to be a joke.
imaginarymatter Yeah, I know that. This isn't an answer to the video itself, but to those who say "why isn't this the real ingame ending ? This is so much better". I'm not sure all of them are joking. And ME3's ending was pretty good... As a bad ending. Unless the Indoctrination theory is correct, then it's a great ending.
Perhaps our choices will matter in ME4...
I thought I was the only one still here
Maiza Laforet There's still mass effect 4 to come. Only problem is Shepard is dead... it seems.
Well this comment aged bad.
Spoiler: They didn't.
My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite channel on RUclips.
he didn't choose Ashley?! That silly willy.
i second that liked
I chose Ashley, she blew up really nicely.
now i feel likie your talking about the bomb in me1 but i cant help but think of that as some sort of induendo if you know what i mean
Who's the girl in the third balloon? The only lesbians I know of are Traynor, I guess sort of Liara, Kelly, and Ashley if you play as Fem Shep.
A0vol9Z
But Traynor is black. That girl is white.
A0vol9Z
Yeah, that's why I'm having so much trouble figuring out who she is. Unless it is Traynor and they messed up.
kirikakirikakirika I think that's just Traynor.
The lighting on the Normandy easily makes her look like that at times. It's an easy mistake. See here: i.ytimg.com/vi/2JkytgOdwvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
And _is_ she black? She looks more Indian to me.
MicManGuy
Yeah, I think she's Indian.
kirikakirikakirika it's supposed to be traynor. that said, that last bit is just really bothering me. ashely can, by no means, be romanced by a fem shep.
Pick Ash, Pick Ash, Pick Ash...
...you take that back!
Scoop it up in your hands and stick it right back in!
I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO SEE THIS FOR AGES. AND I FINALLY FOUND IT!