The Miranda's Precursor Explained - FASA's Anton Class
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2018
- The Anton class is what the Reliant in Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan, looked like during the original Star Trek series before the TMP era refit! This is a retro FASA game design from the 80's!
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Oh FASA stuff. Always interested in that period of Trek.
Yes, miss those designs and the late nights.
My god, my brother came up behind me in a Miranda , I had my D7M 'Night Fang'' beat to crap but I had one photon.
Our friend kept telling him 'hold back, hold back" But not my brother. He was going to show me a lesson.
I let loose before he crawled up on my S vents.
One photon and it hit critical. He rolled for photons exploding internally. 27 in all.
I crept away to fight another day.
Fasa did make sense with the technological development of starfleet at that time.
It's a shame discovery didn't go that way but just my opinion
IKR, they specifically refer to lasers in the cage even.
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I like to see it as the road not traveled.
In the end ideology and studio interference always gets in the way.
They had a great expanse of material.
Like like star wars. They had so much they could've used to keep films going for decades but look at what people got.
A mess. Kinda like the DC expanded universe
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I'm glad someone else agrees 👍
@@alanmike6883 Me too! Anything after Voyager is NOT Canon! Back in the Mid-late 80's, the FASA Universe WAS Accepted Canon to most Trekkers! Then, Paramount refused to renew their License for TNG, supposedly because of Roddenberry Bitching about it in one of his famous Drunk and Doped-Up, Ran...Uh, I mean, 'Disagreements'! 😜
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How things changed and for the worse
Thank you for regularly and faithfully tackling the targ in he room; the FASA 'canon'. So many Trek fans sneer at what was created. For those of us in that era, it was all we had, and we made the most of it. Looking forward to you further videos.
I was always very fond of this ship class, it was nice to see it reborn in fan productions.
Excellent! Perhaps a special segment on Garth of Izar???
For sure...I'll retell the battle.
Nice. I'd be very interested to hear about FASA's version of the Four Years War. :)
@@FekLeyrTarg Get a copy of the out-of-print Sourcebook. They're still available at Cons, and on E-bay 💸. I bought my first copy in late 1986, at age 17. and by late '87, it was already worn out from gaming it so much with their EXCELLENT RPG.
Always liked the Anton. Proportionally impossible for it to have turned into the Reliant/Miranda class. But that's also true of the Constitution and the refit/Enterprise class. The dimensions don't work.
Not just proportionally impossible but even in what lore there is, the Anton-class isn't the Miranda-class. Ship classes don't change their name when they under go a refit. The Constitution-class is still the Constitution-class after the refit. If the Anton-class were to under go a refit, it would still be the Anton-class. What is meant by "precursor" is that this design lead to the TOS-era Miranda-class that then became the refit/Miranda-class for the Wrath of Khan.
I loved the Fasa RPG and never knew how much it shaped my Star Trek understanding until I watched your vids. I am glad that someone is going over it. Thanks!
Same here.
Is it strange that I am already in love with this class?
It grew on me as soon as I saw it animated.
Not strange. I have the same feelings with the Loknar.
This FASA stuff sounds pretty cool the more I dig about it. Also loving the laser SFX here.
It looks kinda like the romulan ship from balance of terror.
Very much like the original Bird of Prey
I was always kinda cold to this design until I saw your animations, now I am warming to it.
Never had anything to do with FASA but loved these style ships as I used to play the turn based game “VGA Planets” which used the FASA style ships for the federation, including the single nacelle destroyer & the three nacelled dreadnought - loved mixing the Star Trek universe with the Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica universe all together.
Do you play Squadron Strike? I'll bet you'd love it. Ken Burnside, the game's creator, often uses an assortment of SFB ships versus a new-type Cylon Basestar as a convention demo. SS is similar to SFB in style, except that it incorporates altitude tracking and true 3D movement...in a way that is actually _playable,_ and turns frequently play out faster than SFB. Having played SFB back in the 90's, I can honestly say so.
Squadron Strike also accounts for "Cinematic" movement style (Trek, especially TOS, Star Wars) versus "Realistic" (New BSG, Babylon 5) style, _and can have both coexist on the same playing field_ (hence the demo above). If you want absolute realism, in a setting evolved more out of "2001: A Space Odyssey", there's a whole separate game for that, Advance Vector: Tactical. In that game, you get more nimble as you burn fuel and thus lose weight.
@@xheralt I haven't - but from what you've said I'm intrigued - will check it out. I sort of slipped out of the tactical phase into more of a simulator phase - frontier elite, freelancer, wing commander etc. and onto hardcore realism with things like Orbiter (before you ask, no I haven't tried Kerbal, and know that I should) Ive considered Star Citizen - but hesitated because, firstly it would melt my current PC, and secondly Ive become increasingly concerned that it will never arrive.
That sounds like Star Fleet Technical manual stuff, which predates FASA a bit and may have inspired the TOS parts of FASA ST.
Accelerator cannons? Very cool! Always thought of torpedoe launchers in Trek as coilguns of sort. Makes sense to me. Thanks for yet another awesome model 😀.
Thanks for covering this largely forgotten era of trek!
Laser banks were based on what the Enterprise sported in "The Cage", and the design was from the middle 80s.
Was hoping for the Ares Class.
Thats an Axanar thing - something I prefer to leave be for now...*runs away*
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Much tears. More Chiss at least?
@@resurrectedstarships Running's a good choice for now, but thanks for more FASA content, love me those TOS designs.
@@resurrectedstarships honestly I wont blame you for that...thats something that I would also love to see but as its content that CBS would probably snipe from miles away best to keep your channel safe
Is it correct to say the name Anton comes from the town in Texas?
Something that most supporters of FASA's Star Trek works tend for forget, or simply may not be aware of, is that quite a few of these 'basic' and 'early' designs actually predate FASA's outstanding works. When I was a kid a friend of mine's brother had a copy of the following:
The Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual is a fiction reference book by Franz Joseph Schnaubelt, about the workings of Starfleet, a military, exploratory, and diplomatic organization featured in the television series Star Trek. Wikipedia
Then in the early 80's I was able to pick up a later published version of the same book which contains a section on Starfleet books, mentions of both the Romulan and Klingon/Federation wars as well as dress codes, sketches of uniforms, insignia, the break down on the workings of both Star Fleet and the Federation. It is my belief that FASA's writers and creators (or at least some of them) were aware of this work and made use of it as a reference.
When I was a kid back in the 70s, a friend had an original Enterprise model that you could take apart and rebuild as a model very similar to the Anton Class....
Awesome job on this! And yes the four years war is an excellent piece to cover!
You should do some more videos on ships from the fasa universe.
Love the FASA coverage. New Subscriber👍👍
LOVE all that FASA stuff!
Would love to see a pre-refit Miranda. You can tell that in the Wrath of Khan the Reliant has under gone the same refit process as the Constitution class - meaning there most have been a TOS-era Miranda class too.
Outstanding Video! Very Informative, Entertaining and Fun, Enjoyed! 👍👍
It's an awesome model! Good job!
Oh, you have to do some shows on the four years war! I never even thought about that for your Channel.
I had never heard of this ship. I love the concept, and how it leads to the Miranda. I wonder if in the timeline this was a evolutionary descendant of the NX - 01 project
I saw this class as the equal to the Connies and the Miranda as a band new fallow on. A MAJOR THANK YOU ON THE FOUR YEARS WAR! FINLLY THE HISTORY! I BEEN WAITING SINCE AXANAR WAS PULLED!
Those were the days. I was a big fan of the Fasa stuff as well as Star Fleet Battles.
If you examine photos of the Reliant and Enterprise-A studio models, its role is very different from how FASA painted the type. It's the battleship of its era with as many phaser mounts as the Enterprise-A, but with smaller blind spots and four of which may be heavier; smaller shield surface area covered by apparently the same power plant; and a smaller moment of rotational inertia with the same impulse deck. It has sacrificed warp geometry to be the best optimized sublight battleship for its tech that the Federation fielded on-screen until the anti-Borg designs.
Loved the Anton!
Excellent! Great Job!!
Very cool. I always liked the Miranda and Anton. Good ships. Well done.
FASA did Trek better than Paramount IMO. Loved thier timelines and historical info.
Miranda Class as a title appears in on screen text on 24th Century TV shows (such as when Data was in control of a fleet) you could see a display with the ships he was in control of and their class and it says Miranda class their. (there may be other instances).
interesting can you do the federation class next? also maybe do some mythbusting on the Dominion Dreadnought/Battleship?
If I were a star fleet captain, I'd want to command a Miranda class. Loved it ever since I was a kid and watch Wrath of Khan.
Reminds me of the NCL(New Light Cruiser) in StarFleet Battles.
Fascinating.
Grand Admiral Thrawn planning another invasion of the Star Trek universe
Old Reliant Class vessel. Served with the Loknars and Larsons and of course the Constitutions!
Subscribed and belled .. Make more .. We want MOAR
Oooh, is the Federation/Saladin-Class next? I love those triple nacelle designs.
I like this FASA Anton class, it reminds my of the Axanar universes USS Ares, NCC-1650... Both tough as old boots.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and detail possibly provided indeed👌.
Fast forward 2 years now we have a mark one Miranda class in star trek online that's from the TOS Era.
Another Great video Great Starship
Now with the Legendary Miranda class from STO what parts are needed to make this in the game?
0:54) USS Enterprise(NCC 1701)is an USS Constellation(NCC 1017)Class ship.
I've been noticing that the FASA or your digital models have the phasers on the top of the saucer, but the TV show clearly shows they're on the bottom of the saucer. And I also believe the official blueprints.
Did you do videos on lasers and accelerator canons?
Keep me posted !
It would be interesting to see a video with 3D models of the Red Worm and the Dray.
Where is the laser sound from?
I really miss FASA, specially on MW
great video, I've always wondered why do starships spin or rotate when they've been disabled?
Maybe their artificial grav gizmo is broken? Maybe their engines randomly sputter and idle out of sync?
This... Yeah this design could actually work as an alternate hull for the Centaur class starter ships in STO actually (which incidentally also has a starter ship for Disco-era characters with a similar layout)
take a look at the SBF's NCL and the Old CL that the NCL replaced .
The reliant was a science vessel in the wraith of Khan
We need more videos over Star Wars ships, specifically Legends New Republic warships like the Nebula-class Star Destroyer for instance.
And you shall have it. Eventually.
@@resurrectedstarships I very much look forward to it! ^_^ Also have you ever looked into Battletech? A creation of FASA's that has a lot of interesting warships that you might want to get into. I can give you the Sarna links to a few of them if you're interested.
@@shadekerensky3691 I dream of resurrecting a battlemech someday...this would be a level up in my game and capabilities.
@@resurrectedstarships Well, hey, I bet you could do it. Would be awesome to see more Battletech based stuff on RUclips, there's far too little of it.
Firefly music?
Can you please talk about the Klingon K'Tinga class battlecruiser next?
But there was a tos styled miranda class in the starfleet technical manual (tos) made by franz joseph
What video games simulator do you use for these videos?
I am not using any game engines, blender and some other stuff for lighting and effects.
Do you have an episode on the FASA Constitution class? that would be a good episode.
Looks like STO based a starter ship for the SF:disco faction on this ship.
What is the song at the end?
I meant to credit it in the description, will do when i have time. ruclips.net/video/q26_CNrncvY/видео.html
While the star ships from the Movie era, TNG era and on look way better and fancier than the TOS era ones, it’s always fascinating to see designs that reflect the TOS era!
Btw, the drone ships from TAS are one of my favourite designs, will you be doing a video about them (if you already haven’t, didn’t bother checking it lol)?
@Resurrected Starships Are you familiar with the halo universe? If so, could you do if the federation encountered the halo universe? I know you did it with star wars back in 2017, but i think it would be interesting to see your take on what would happen!
Why didn't this ship have torpedo tubes as in the constitution in the saucer section?
I've been asked about the music, music credits fashionably late -- added to description...enjoy:
Music credits:
Arensky x Adam Knight - Falling Dreamer
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Scott Buckley - 'Tears of a Distant Sun'
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Never a fan of this one. First time I saw it I thought it was pretty clunky. I do prefer the later (IRL) Surya and Conventry Class ships. Somewhere online some retconned the Anton with a Baton Rouge era hull. It works better that way, IMO. Great video, tho!
Can you do EVE Online Entropic Disintegrators?
Phasers and Photorps had one other major advantage over Lasers, Particle Accelerators, and 22nd century Disruptors. FTL capable.
Still, with looks & style the Nublea, class is smoking I bet will eat, Nebula will eat the Nublea dust!
Isn't this what the creators of Axanar used to make the Ares class?
Increase mission profile isnt the correct phrase, "expand it's mission envelope" would have been more appropriate. Mission profile tends to indicate a single mission type, increase said profile would be to further it's abilities in a singular endeavor
Looks like the Ares from the Axanar movie
Is it on sti
Doesn't this ship look an awful lot like the Ares class in Axanar?
Reminds me of the Ares Class from Axanar. I wish that ship were canon.
The word "canon" implies a thing is sacred, inviolate, immutable, the highest law from the highest authority, always cherished and revered, never challenged or disobeyed.
Most fans seem to passionately embrace this definition. But CBS has made it abundantly clear that Star Trek is a "property" and they "own" it. And that they have little regard for existing canon or continuity (or for the fans who respect it). So I view "canon" as a euphemism for "we do whatever we want, we make the money, and you buy what we sell". But it's not a one-sided relationship so to my mind the _USS Ares_ is "canon" and the _USS Discovery_ is not (it's only another bad starship from a high-budget "fan" film).
The nx 01 came years before this ship before the kleinman 4 Year War
This reminds me a whole lot of the Malachowski class from DSC, and I suspect the Malachowski serves a similar role in the evolution of the Miranda class in canon.
In Star Trek Online, the Malachowski is the starter vessel for a Discovery-Era Captain, where the Miranda is used for the 25th Century Captain and the Pioneer-Class is used for TOS-Era.
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Sharing my vids wherever you think it wold help will be just as good, thank you! :D
@@resurrectedstarships Aye aye Captain!
Switch to rockets, we're blasting out!
Actually, enterprise doesn’t necessarily contradict FASA. In enterprise, they use phase cannons and photonic torpedoes
Looks like fasa version of the Ares class
More accurate to say Ares class is the Axanar version of the Anton class.
I think it would be cool if you took a crack at the Leif Ericson. It was designed by Matt Jefferies for the AMT plastic model kit company. You can find everything about it, including blueprints, at: www.projectrho.com/SSC/model.html
It had a "conning tower" very similar to that of the DY-100 seen in Star Trek TOS: "Space Seed" (Khan's sleeper ship). It also included a nifty shuttle inside a shuttle bay whose doors could open.
It was intended to be the first of many in what would have been its own "Strategic Space Command" universe, but sales never justified any more designs. Jefferies did make some sketches of additional ones.
The first model release included background on the SSC universe and a short story called, "The Adventures of Midshipman Lance Scott": frank.bol.ucla.edu/lestory.htm
Even weirder was an included PAPER record called, "The Sounds of Outer Space." Somebody has it in MP3 format, unsurprisingly: frank.bol.ucla.edu/LE/SoundsOfSpace.mp3
Interesting Notes:
- Doug Drexler used it as the basis for the SS Conestoga seen in ENT: "Terra Nova."
- Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle used it as the basis for ships in their novel The Mote In God's Eye.
- "Six Degrees of Star Trek": Larry Niven wrote the ST:TAS episode "The Slaver Weapon" (which was adapted from his Known Space short story "The Soft Weapon"). And of course, it was designed by Matt Jefferies who designed the TOS Enterprise.
Me: *Ears perk hearing Accelerator/Rail guns*
"Tactical Officer" Avery Johnson: "I have a present for those mustacheo son of a bitches crusin in those ugly ass pea soup green Space VW's, Ding Ding, It's the postman and you have to sign...
Yeah...He might get bumped to Security....The only Redshirt to survive every fight... Even when a vessel explodes...
This reminds me of the Walker-class from Discovery, a ship I adore.
But I'll talk about the Miranda class in a later video...
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IT'S LATER. Where be the Miranda video? =p
It WIll happen!
Reliant was used supplied ship
So, while we're being noncanonical, it sounds like you're putting the _Antons_ into the same niche as the "Prelude to Axanar" _Ares_ class, i.e. direct response to D7. So _Antons_ (or _Ares_ if you prefer) match the D7, _Connies_ exceed it? _Ares_ class seems to have less "secondary" hull space, but they also don't have two shuttle decks, and _Antons_ are capable of more varied mission profiles. The Anton/Miranda seems to be a "frigate" in the British sense, a ship meant to transport large numbers of ground troops, space easily convertible to other puposes (like Reliant's science-profile mission)
I always grit my teeth when unibody Fed ships are referred to as having "primary" and "secondary" hulls. If it's all together as a single structural body, and not seperable, it's just "the hull", period! But that's just a personal pet peeve.
Yup, the connies outclass at least the older D-7's but there's not enough of them. The Anton's match them. I suspect it was the Antons that inspired the Ares, not the other way around. A lot of people think that the Prelude to Axanar content was an original idea, it is not. THIS is. :P
Prelude to Axanar described the Ares as a leapfrog of the D-6... not to be technical or anything...
GPS = Galactic Positioning System??
Not too dissimilar from the Ares Class from Axanar. By the time of the first Constitution Refits, the Miranda proved to be far superior to the Constitutions. They were far more maneuverable at sublight and were far more heavily armed. Khan realized this when he commandeered the Reliant. However, Khan's arrogance and overconfidence were his own undoing. With a severely damaged and partially disabled Constitution Class ship, Kirk's own experience, his cunning and his mental discipline were more than a match for Khan's "superior intellect".
Of course, the day was saved by Spock's quick thinking and self sacrifice!
it’s not cannon but i’d through of what is cannon now away for game canon from SFB AND FASA since they are far more star trek
Cant quite place it but something is missing...
Beutiful ship
Actually a non refit miranda class is in star trek legacy
"im captain Anton of the federation star ship uss Anton (of the Anton class)"
I never understood why FASA felt the need to create a Miranda class predecessor for the Four Years War era. The Wrath of Khan novelization states that Reliant is an elderly ship so why not use her sister ships rather then a predecessor design?
May not have had access to novel?