Are the Patriots Right for Firing Mayo After 1 Year? (Grossi Perna Show)

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @joemarais7683
    @joemarais7683 16 дней назад +66

    Generally firing a coach after 1 year is dumb.
    Mayo is an exception cause he was amazingly inept, not ready to coach, and everyone knew it. The firing is more of a reflection on Kraft than Mayo, Mayo will probably be good in a decade.

    • @geoffreysorkin5774
      @geoffreysorkin5774 16 дней назад +6

      Pierce seems the same. Neither had been an nfl coordinator before. Both could still be good head coaches eventually

    • @jackharle1251
      @jackharle1251 15 дней назад +1

      DEI

    • @Raizhen010
      @Raizhen010 14 дней назад +3

      @@jackharle1251 Why do people keep repeating this? The guy was hired because he was literally promised the job five years ago to keep him as a de facto defensive coordinator. This is well documented. It has absolutely nothing to do with his skin color.

    • @johnellis7338
      @johnellis7338 14 дней назад

      @@Raizhen010ignore it. I’m convinced these people are bots

    • @Relisoc4
      @Relisoc4 13 дней назад

      @@johnellis7338 they just struggle with logic and critical thinking. in their minds, it's as simple as 'mayo is black' + 'mayo didnt deserve the job' = DEI. they do not even pretend to care about the facts

  • @scxcr
    @scxcr 17 дней назад +40

    Oh man, Rob Chudzinski. He was supposed to be part of a patient rebuild, and his firing was what turned many Browns fans (and some players) against the Haslams.

  • @Ishai1
    @Ishai1 16 дней назад +18

    Another observations, three of these one and done coaches were hired by the same GM, Baalke, he survived two of those hires...

  • @andrewpugh9322
    @andrewpugh9322 16 дней назад +34

    The Raiders have had 4 different Head Coaches since moving to Vegas....reminder, they played their 1st season as the Vegas Raiders in 2020 👀

    • @CanuckifyouBuck
      @CanuckifyouBuck 16 дней назад

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @EstParum
      @EstParum 16 дней назад

      Gruden, Bissaccia, McDaniels and Pierce

  • @cluckern9614
    @cluckern9614 16 дней назад +18

    Robert Kraft was contractually obligated to hire Mayo even though the time line had been moved up by 3 years. He wasn't ready, that's why he was supposed to get 3 years of learning the intricacies of being a HC from Belichick.
    If Kraft could've hired Vrabel last year he would have

  • @zaneplatt3533
    @zaneplatt3533 16 дней назад +12

    I am surprised at people pretending to be surprised that Mayo was let go. He was literally only hired because it was in his contract. They honoured that contractual obligation and then moved on as soon as they could

    • @EstParum
      @EstParum 16 дней назад

      Then it doesn't feel they honoired the contract? Or was it like a built-in tank year post-Bill?

    • @JamSoupMusicLols
      @JamSoupMusicLols 15 дней назад

      "He was only hired because of the contract clause"
      You're making it sound like putting a clause in his contract to hire him isn't THE SAME THING as hiring him.

  • @jasonmiller8207
    @jasonmiller8207 16 дней назад +18

    Steve Wilks is maybe the unluckiest coach in recent history. Fired after one season in Arizona with a bad roster, became Carolina's DC and eventual interim HC and the team improved under him, but he wasn't retained, then became 49ers DC and took them to the Super Bowl and got fired after the loss.

    • @soapsatellite
      @soapsatellite 16 дней назад +3

      Honestly, it sucks that he hasn't been given a fair shake yet. I hope he gets a job where they don't try to screw him over next time.

  • @timothypatch5080
    @timothypatch5080 16 дней назад +12

    As a Patriots fan, yes they were right

  • @iampanax
    @iampanax 17 дней назад +109

    Front offices need to chill with firing coaches after one year. Imagine if the Lions got rid of MCDC after his first year going 3-13-1.

    • @Bellthorian
      @Bellthorian 17 дней назад +14

      Sometimes when you know, you know.

    • @tkdmanbb185
      @tkdmanbb185 17 дней назад +35

      Mayo has shown nothing that MCDC has.

    • @Deontelewis846
      @Deontelewis846 17 дней назад +13

      @@tkdmanbb185you’re being a revisionist. Go read articles from after that season. Folks called for his job too only difference is the lions didn’t listen

    • @GoyTalk88
      @GoyTalk88 16 дней назад +12

      The major difference you're leaving out is that Dan Campbell showed potential, while Mayo looked lost out there.

    • @schilling2438
      @schilling2438 16 дней назад +12

      There was a vast difference in the lions at the beginning of the season and how the played at the end of that year and how the pats started and ended. If you can't see the difference you should just hold your tongue before your shallow pool of football knowledge overspills.

  • @goldenstatewarriors9418
    @goldenstatewarriors9418 16 дней назад +8

    The problem isn’t that they fired Mayo, it’s that they hired him when he wasn’t ready in the first place, because Kraft idiotically put it in his contract. Mayo was in over his head. This is on Kraft, cycling through coaches is never a good thing for an organization. Do what you should’ve done on the first place and hire Vrabel.

  • @dagebis
    @dagebis 17 дней назад +34

    Idk about mayo but I know the Bengals are wrong for not firing Zac Talyor

  • @johnquach8821
    @johnquach8821 17 дней назад +12

    "You have failed me for the last time, Mayo."

  • @aeis3007
    @aeis3007 16 дней назад +8

    Detroit Lions Dan Campbell was a 1 season interim coach for the Miami Dolphins in 2015 and it turned out well for him.

  • @PurpleLightning6was9
    @PurpleLightning6was9 16 дней назад +12

    McDaniels isn’t a bad coach, he’s a bad head coach. He’s a pretty good coordinator.

    • @TPrime85
      @TPrime85 16 дней назад +1

      Bad faith argument. You *know* when someone says “coach” they mean “head coach.” Hence why you had to use the word “coordinator.”

    • @jerodgraham6623
      @jerodgraham6623 15 дней назад

      ⁠@@TPrime85Sometimes that’s what they mean. But no, we don’t necessarily know every time that that’s what people mean when they say coach. More often than not? Likely. Still worth it to specify though. Not bad faith whatsoever.

  • @jackthequarterback
    @jackthequarterback 16 дней назад +7

    Anyone who thinks Mayo deserved more time clearly didn’t follow the pats very close at all. He had multiple players openly talking shit about our own fan base. The culture he created was no accountability. He was playing cards with the players on the plane ride home from a blowout loss while the assistants were watching film.

    • @michael_c2
      @michael_c2 16 дней назад +2

      yeah I can see why non patriot fans may feel he got a raw deal. And he did. But anyone who watches every game knew he was terrible and unfixable. Even the people who didn't want him fired in NE -- less than 10 percent of a poll on 98.5 -- stopped arguing on merit anyway. It was like "well its not fair, roster sucks. He sucks but he should get 2 years on fairness..."
      They made it about fairness. But nobody thought he was the best voach for the job. Or even head coaching material anytime soon

  • @Ishai1
    @Ishai1 16 дней назад +2

    You can add Pierce to that list, just like Tomsula he was an interim who got the job the next season and failed miserably.
    The two seasons with Tomsula and Chip Kelly are the reason Jed isn't firing Kyle Shanahan so fast, even if he wasn't in a Super Bowl less than a year ago, some 49ers fans don't understand that.

  • @bullshark3771
    @bullshark3771 16 дней назад +5

    Mayo was not ready to be a HC it was clear on multiple occasions that he was trying to be their friend not a coach. I think he could be a good coach but needs more experience as a position coach then DC then coach.

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord 16 дней назад

      Classic case of the cursus honorum in coaching. Even well-established coordinators flame out often as head coaches-Wannstedt, Crennel, McDaniels, Capers, Mangini, among many others-so why would some nobody hired as the equivalent of promoting the mailroom intern to CEO be expected to do better?

    • @bullshark3771
      @bullshark3771 16 дней назад

      @@SimuLord while that is true they often are more well prepared or have more playcalling experience and clock or team management skills developed from their time as coordinator. Coaching one position can be great experience but to be a head coach you need experience that goes beyond a single position and must be able to command the respect of your team and staff. In order to do that you can’t necessarily just be everyone’s friend all the time because when push comes to shove you need to be hard on them and that often would feel like a betrayal or not taken as seriously. This is why college coaches often fail in the nfl, because as college coaches you are talking to basically kids and teenagers. As pros they are men and adults. Completely different feel. Being their friend can work with younger crowds but around high school it becomes less effective.

  • @SomeOfTheJuice
    @SomeOfTheJuice 17 дней назад +29

    Hackett is a bad coach. Meyer is a bad person. That is the difference.

    • @alexthomas2558
      @alexthomas2558 17 дней назад +11

      Meyer is a bad person AND a bad coach.

  • @grogery1570
    @grogery1570 16 дней назад

    My favorite one and done head coach is Pete Carroll.
    He coached the Jets won six games in his only season as Jets HC which was a lot better than the previous guys three. He was fired because the Eagles had fired their HC after a terrible season and the Jets owner was desperate to put him in charge. He coached the Jets for the next three years and won three games, while Pete Carroll became an offensive coordinator at another NFL team before going back and dominating college football and I think he won a Superbowl or some thing.

  • @13thCharacter
    @13thCharacter 16 дней назад +1

    The Pats GM should have definitely been fired as well. Literally went into the season without anyone on the roster who had ever played left tackle. O-line was dead from the start. The roster is on the GM.

  • @Prodrummer1603
    @Prodrummer1603 16 дней назад +1

    I'm usually totally against firing a coach after a year.
    But you have to see some improvement over a year. And we didn't see that with the Patriots. Sloppy Football. Mayos own side of the ball (Defense) was the worst unit on the team. That's quite sad because we know how there was no talent on Offense besides Maye.
    His press conferences were a mess. Players gave weird interviews. There was no feeling of "a team going in the same direction".
    Even though the players liked Mayo, I didn't see any way how the 2nd year of Mayo would be any better.
    The Krafts had too make that tough choice.

  • @jacobball8422
    @jacobball8422 13 дней назад

    Love you guys. Tom I bet the Packers to win the game outright. Go pack go

  • @SamuelJamesNary
    @SamuelJamesNary 16 дней назад +2

    Some of the firing of Mayo just seems to be odd given many of the things that surrounded the Patriots going into the season. This isn't like Mayo took over a team that was expected to win and just flopped. New England has had a history of success, but the team they presently have was not expected to really do all that much. In this... Mayo really just lived up to expectations.
    Now, there may have been other issues behind the scenes, but given that this was his first year... and I think his first time as a HC... I'd think a lot of those other issues would be more to inexperience as a head coach than true ability. And there can often be a fair number of HCs that have those sorts of issues in their first year and then steadily improve at it the more they get used to the job. In this, I think Mayo got the short end of the deal and that was unfair...

    • @Drew_F1
      @Drew_F1 16 дней назад +2

      He was playing cards in the back of the plane with players after losing to the Cardinals instead of watching film with the other coaches…

    • @SamuelJamesNary
      @SamuelJamesNary 16 дней назад

      @@Drew_F1 - And that would seem bad... but it could also well be a case where you have a guy who has yet to learn everything that would relate to being an NFL head coach. Now, one could argue that that would also say he should have been there... but that'd be more a discussion on the decision to HIRE Mayo, not fire him.
      If a team is going to hire someone who is "unready," I'd argue you'd have to give them the time to learn the job on what they need to do and don't do. Otherwise, they won't learn for what would then happen when moving forward as an assistant or as a coach somewhere else.

  • @zaneplatt3533
    @zaneplatt3533 16 дней назад

    The thing with the steelers is that Tomlin is one of the biggest reasons they have been competitive at all. Getting rid of him doesn't make them better. They need better talent on offensive, particularly at QB. If you give them Jayden Daniels they are a bowl contender.

  • @andypeiffer5
    @andypeiffer5 14 дней назад

    13 / 448 coaches in that time span doesn't seem crazy at all

  • @tim.noonan
    @tim.noonan 16 дней назад +2

    They weren’t right to fire him, but he should never had had the job in the first place. Dude got to rest on his laurels for half a decade knowing his next job was already secured. That kind of head coaching search could only end one way, in disaster.
    Between that,
    apparently making up team procedures on the fly, and the way he threw literally anyone but himself (including Belichick) under the bus in press conferences, only to walk back what he said the next day, EVERY WEEK, he wasn’t ready for any aspect of being an NFL head coach. And now he probably will never get another chance. It’s a stretch to say he deserves another chance with another team, without several years of working his way up through an organization that he never had to do New England, at the very least.

  • @HeftyDrops
    @HeftyDrops 13 дней назад

    When you said Steve Wilkes I kept thinking of Steve Wilkos

  • @Tbonezz11
    @Tbonezz11 17 дней назад +4

    My guess is that kraft didnt want mayo at all but bill did and made kraft put it in mayos contract to be the next hc. Kraft honored the agreement but already knew he wanted someone else

    • @joemondy1121
      @joemondy1121 16 дней назад +2

      I feel dumber for having read this post. I hope it's sacasm

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord 16 дней назад

      Except Belichick ain't Bud Grant and Mayo ain't Jerry Burns. He's more like Les Steckel.

    • @tim.noonan
      @tim.noonan 16 дней назад

      There’s nothing to indicate this. What is happening is Bill’s doing exactly this but with his son Steve at UNC. If Belichick didn’t get fired from NE Mayo would have kept progressing through the coaching staff until he was QUALIFIED to be the head coach.
      This was Kraft’s stupid idea, born out of seeing how Mayo carried himself on a trip to fucking Jerusalem. It had not a goddamn thing to do with football.
      Kraft needs to go, and to take his man-child son with him.

  • @SunShine-xc6dh
    @SunShine-xc6dh 16 дней назад

    They were wrong to pre hire him this is just corse correction

  • @andrewkelly1337
    @andrewkelly1337 17 дней назад +29

    Kraft thought the Rooney Rule meant he had to to hire a black man for a year before getting his guy Vrabel instead of just interviewing him, classic slip of the mind at that age

  • @Cussingthediscussion
    @Cussingthediscussion 15 дней назад

    Vrabel is the way for my pats

  • @awesomeaspie3611
    @awesomeaspie3611 16 дней назад

    Short answer, yes.

  • @anonymousanonymous-cl8nr
    @anonymousanonymous-cl8nr 16 дней назад

    Yes

  • @mcmurtryfan
    @mcmurtryfan 16 дней назад

    Hold the Mayo!!!

  • @JamSoupMusicLols
    @JamSoupMusicLols 15 дней назад

    Mayo was set up to fail. Classic sign of a dysfunctional organisation.
    Ran it back with the same roster that picked 3rd last year (picking 4 this year) and acting like it was the coaches fault.

  • @EncinoDude
    @EncinoDude 11 дней назад

    Yes, Mayo was a terrible head coach. He constantly looked like he had no idea what he was doing whenever they showed him on the sideline. At press conferences hed constantly put his foot in his mouth and then have to come out the next day and back track it. Mayo was is not ready to be a head coach. I dont even know if hes ready to be a coordinator.

  • @darkwhite073
    @darkwhite073 16 дней назад

    Is mayo a good coach? No. But what a d move by the patriots to put mayo in “ an untenable situation” only for the krafts to basically be grooming Vrabel into coming back to Foxborough.

  • @leonb2637
    @leonb2637 16 дней назад

    Mayo became HC due to the contract that gave him the post after Bill left, but some will say that was done due to DEI pressures.

  • @superbones5000
    @superbones5000 16 дней назад

    Krafts need to get more shit for Mayo. This was their guy for years and they did nothing to make sure he was actually ready. Getting rid of Mayo was more just fixing last years mistake of pre contracting him to be the HC

    • @andrewseidl7590
      @andrewseidl7590 16 дней назад

      Handjob Bob is a bad owner, people are finally seeing it.

  • @Kevin_747
    @Kevin_747 16 дней назад +2

    Mayo wasn't a coach. He is an activist and his first press conference proved it.

  • @SkatterBrain
    @SkatterBrain 17 дней назад +7

    Crazy, Bill Belichick wasn't the problem. I want Bill back. I don't think he should have ever been fired

    • @Great_Scott_GorDun
      @Great_Scott_GorDun 17 дней назад +3

      He was A problem, the Pats defense was a grossly overrated unit that never really got any negative attention because the offense was just that bad.

    • @SkatterBrain
      @SkatterBrain 16 дней назад +2

      @Great_Scott_GorDun Yes and no. The defense this year with nearly the exact same personnel, plus a healthy Christian Gonzalez, performed like hot garbage. Belichick certainly deserves blame for how he handled the end of his tenure, but there was a noticeable and negative difference between this year's defense and last year's. Were they a great bunch last year? No. But the only reason we won 4 games with Mac Jones at qb was because of that defense. This year, the Bengals game was an outlier, they nearly lost the 2nd jets game to a QB who couldn't throw 5 feet at that point, the bears are the bears, and the Buffalo game was against back ups, and we STILL almost lost.

    • @dabbingtoast7743
      @dabbingtoast7743 16 дней назад +5

      Bill Belichick the GM was a major part of the problem and it's the reason he isn't coaching in the NFL right now.

    • @Great_Scott_GorDun
      @Great_Scott_GorDun 16 дней назад

      @@SkatterBrain 1st game vs Dolphins in 2023: Defense does alright against the pass but is TERRIBLE against the run, ends up being a huge factor in the loss.
      Raiders in 2023: Defense nearly gives up 300 yards passing to both Jimmy G and Brian Hoyer, plus they just flat out refused to cover rookie right end Michael Mayer who to this date has never had a better game than on that day. Even with all that, the Pats still would have had a chance to win if Davante Parker's bitch ass caught that deep ball.
      1st game vs Bills in 2023: Arguably Mac's best game ever, they don't win that game without him.
      2nd game vs Dolphins in 2023: Defense in this game was just pathetic, giving up 2 long TD passes to Hill and Waddle, with the latter being one of the most embarrassing blown coverages I've ever seen.
      Commanders in 2023: Defense gives up nearly 400 total yards to Sam Howell, including failing to stop him from getting a first down when he scrambled on a 3RD AND 23 after sacking him. They also couldn't stop getting penalties which kept time of possession away from the offense, and that bum Reagor dropping the deep pass certainly didn't help.
      I can easily go on, but I'm not going to. So I'll just end with this; Mac definitely made mistakes that played a part in losing games, but everything I said about the defense happened too, so stop pretending like the defense was top 10 when it allowed all the aforementioned BS to occur.

    • @CanuckifyouBuck
      @CanuckifyouBuck 16 дней назад

      Wow an 8 time super bowl winner wasn't the problem what a surprise

  • @jase3744
    @jase3744 15 дней назад

    I do not understand the Texans hiring old washed up coach's as there head coach for 2 years in a row

  • @matthewhamm1359
    @matthewhamm1359 16 дней назад

    Dude should have never got the job in the first place. Vrabel is the man for the job and always has been.

  • @BlueBarrier782
    @BlueBarrier782 16 дней назад

    It's called the Rooney Rule tank strategy.
    Just ask Mr. Ross of the Dolphins.

  • @SimuLord
    @SimuLord 16 дней назад +1

    Can't develop players, can't comport himself like a professional during a rebuild, and can't even flippin' tank right. Good riddance, Mayo wasn't the guy.

  • @nintendofan1749
    @nintendofan1749 14 дней назад

    Honestly he was a bad coach. But teams need to chill with firing coaches after one season.

  • @florada34
    @florada34 17 дней назад +6

    He should have been fired after his opening press conference.

  • @austinsmith7731
    @austinsmith7731 17 дней назад

    Pats fan. Yes

  • @lauracassidy8152
    @lauracassidy8152 16 дней назад

    Algo

  • @ShrimShim
    @ShrimShim 12 дней назад

    Almost half of the coaches on that list are black...
    Rooney rule anyone...? 😶

  • @El_Guapo98
    @El_Guapo98 16 дней назад +1

    Robert KKKraft couldn’t wait for this

  • @michaelreich4827
    @michaelreich4827 16 дней назад

    Yes. Mayo was a DIE hire. It was specifically written into Belichick's last contract that he would be the successor, when the BLM grift was at its peak.

    • @andrewseidl7590
      @andrewseidl7590 16 дней назад +1

      Relax plenty of unqualified white guys get head coach chances without any merit. Arthur Smith, Matt Patricia, Matt Nagy, Matt Eberflus. Marc Trestman, Jim Tomsula, Josh McDaniels, Ben McAdoo, Nathaniel Hackett, Joe Philbin

  • @joemondy1121
    @joemondy1121 16 дней назад +1

    A DEI hire. The Krafts have coasted with Tom and Bill for a couple decades, but now they're exposed. Vrabes would be a fool to trust them.

  • @mikeclark7026
    @mikeclark7026 17 дней назад +1

    The Pats have a much better team than Chicago for a coach because they have a QB, and objectively, not subjectively, OB FUCKING JECT IVE LY the Bears do not….
    So the Bears either need to draft one this draft, or continue to not have one. Both cancer for an incoming coach.

    • @Eidenhoek
      @Eidenhoek 17 дней назад +7

      wut

    • @jakenewbury7528
      @jakenewbury7528 17 дней назад +7

      Thats crazy

    • @KenKenTheZombie420
      @KenKenTheZombie420 16 дней назад +5

      Huh? Caleb did pretty well for Chicago...

    • @mikeclark7026
      @mikeclark7026 16 дней назад

      @@KenKenTheZombie420
      No, the SINGLE biggest bust in NFL history did not….

    • @proteuswest1084
      @proteuswest1084 16 дней назад +3

      @@mikeclark7026 Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf didn’t stop existing, buddy.

  • @thokim84
    @thokim84 16 дней назад +1

    There is no better job in the world to get fired from than NFL coach, because they are going to pay you to not work.

  • @beavcity
    @beavcity 16 дней назад

    Mayo was a dog shit coach and they weren't gonna let vrabel coach in the division with the jets. This is a time saver