I don't love you any more - mad men - s03e12
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- When Betty returns home, Don's watching the coverage and the children are at Francine's.
"I want to scream at you for ruining all of this. Then you tried to fix it and there's no point. There's no point Don", she tells him.
"You're very upset. I understand", he says. "It's painful but it's going to pass".
Then she drops the bombshell.
"I don't love you any more. I know that. I kissed you yesterday I didn't feel a thing", she said.
Afterwards, Don, his manufactured life crumbling, is sitting alone upstairs looking like he's had his guts kicked out.
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People mention that he cheated, but he was also never there, made her psychiatrist tell him what she was saying, lied about his whole identity, was depressed when they separated then did it all over again when they got back together, tried to convice her she should see the psychiatrist again when she wanted to divorce him like there had to be something wrong with her to want that... He so deserved this
Everybody hated Betty - Imagine being married to that P.O.S. Don? Dude took off on his own daughters birthday party - Don was a truly vile character.
Add that to Don sleeping with his daughter's teacher.
Don forgetting to take the kids to his house on several occasions.
Don putting all the burden of raising the kids on Megan.
It's honestly funny how people excuse Don's bad behavior but accuse others of it. These fans just see some cool "boss" line that Don quotes and think that's what this show is all about.
It's the same as breaking bad, when they are the main POV and the story is cool as fuck it's easy to forget that they are a POS and ruining innocent peoples lives.
Lol Betty cheated on henry with Don. She is as terrible as Don they deserve each other.
Betty is an exponentially worse parent than Don. He loved his children, despite how forgetful or selfish or horny he was. Betty was stupid, cruel, unloving, selfish, and damaged her children with her coldness and elitism kore than Don ever did.
@@user-yn2ru2ep1j I completely agree, I grew to hate her the more the show went on and she was so cruel to Sally and the nanny.
I'll never understand how these men cheat on their wives all the time then act all depressed when they tell them they dont love them anymore.
because for us fucking other women and loving a woman are two different things. Don may have fucked all those women, but he never stopped loving Bets, and this is why he was so surprised when she said that.
@@DanteVital93 that doesn't make it hurt any less for the women that finds out about her husband's infidelity. Sorry. He made his bed and he can lie in it now. What you said was just a justification. If he wanted an orgasm he should have gone to his wife.
Dan so you will okay with your wife doing the same thing? Fucking other men but still loves you?
@@DanteVital93 Are you serious? If he wanted to fuck other women, then he could choose to be in a non-monogamic relationship, or better, not getting married! The cheater only cares about him and his selfishness, so he will always find a way to please himself and get what he wants. There's no excuse.
@@DanteVital93 You're saying it frankly, and that is why people are being mad about it, but you are right. Don't misunderstand him. He's not "recommending" the act lol He described it objectively, that is how men feel. But we just can't have both at the same time, because, obviously, it is selfish.
If a man wants to whore around without catching feelings, there's plenty of other whores like him to share that notion with. But you can't drag someone's feelings with you down that road, and not expect to be heart-broken at the end (of course your significant other will have it worse than you eventually. They're the losers).
The JFK funeral was a parallelism to the end of their marriage. This show is genius!
And maybe it made her realize how short life is!!! Too short to stay in this marriage...
Bravo Vince
brilliant scene. love when the piano of "the carousel" comes in and don sits, contemplating that he is the sole reason of his family's imminent tearing apart. good acting from hamm and jones, too.
The opposite of love is not hate, it’s apathy.
It's uncanny that Don and Betty's very 1950s marriage was coming to an end at the same time JFK was killed, the day he died, the 50s died too and so did Don and Betty's marriage, this was when the 1960s really began
Jay Jay Great analysis.
Cool analysis, I always felt that season 4 transitioned into the 60s with a more retro looking office and white décor
The End of the Camelot Era
And Don and Megans marriage pretty much ended during the RFK assasination.
Don Draper himself is the transition from the 50s to the 60s. Don is what America was. A nation led by men, for men...with beautiful women waiting at home to serve their husbands and be the submissive sex doll, and raise the children. Dons “downfall” is a metaphor for the downfall of the “great American dream” that once was.
That what I loved most about this show. Don Draper was America. The journey of Mad Men is a metaphorical portrayal of how America truly became something different than it ever thought it would be. Mostly I think it showed that the ones who think they have the most power, are actually the ones who have the least power.
Don cheated on her with like 600 women and then has the audacity to be mad at this 😂
Mad men was really powerful. The writing and the acting was outstanding. All the characters are interesting and realistic.
This is how relationships end. The love dies for one party who is brave enough to state the obvious, and the other clings to the relationship, trying to argue it isn't over, when in reality they also know it's dead. Love no longer exists, but it doesn't prevent the scars from forming and the pain etching itself onto the souls of those who wanted it to work. One of the reasons why "Mad Men" worked so well is that it was full of flawed human beings - real people who suffered for their mistakes and their faults of character.
One of Betty's best scenes. Don is SO emotionally manipulative in this scene, gaslighting her every step of the way.
+peppermint23 Betty was a manipulative calculating person. Don fucked other women, but he loved and provided for her. She never gave him that wifely feminine attention, she was always either demanding shit from him or just childish. I'm not justifying his infidelities, but this is an exteremely painful moment for Don, as he has loved VERY few people and has never truly felt wanted or understood (Betty never did), and one of the few people he did love just told him that she felt nothing for him, with a cold indifference. His world begins to shatter as he sits down on that chair, and Dick Whitman begins to feel the all too familiar pain of being alone and rejected.
+Carlos Alegría "she felt nothing for him". No, she's just telling him she doesn't love him anymore and can you blame her. She obviously cared about Don from beginning to end. Their last phone call together shows that. Maybe Betty didn't understand him but that's more to do with how much of a mess Don was, no one was ever going to understand him. He would have ruined every good relationship in his life time and time again. Betty wasn't to blame, it was just never meant to be.
+Carlos Alegría Oh shut up. He never respected her. I'd rather go to work and provide for myself than have someone like that around.
That's easy for you to write. I'm also assuming by the name Carlos you are a man. As a woman of that era, it would have been considered a failure, a cause of shame, to have to go to work. Remember how Betty described Helen Bishop, the neighborhood divorcee? Working in some "pathetic" (as Betty termed it) little jewelry store.Women back then (and probably today to some extent) put up with a lot of mens' b.s. just to keep the marriage or domestic arrangement intact.
Yes, because women are so better off now in society. They're all drunk losers obsessed with some dead end career, they screw random guys and by the time they're 30 and all alone, complain like old ladies. Poor Betty, who had everything she ever wanted handed to her on a silver platter, poor Betty, who was absolutley lied to Don about forgiving him, who fucked 2 men while pregnant, and not destroying Don completely until she had another man ready and lined up to go. Poor Betty, who got taken to dinners in the city, got her riding lessons paid for, has the luxury of being able to go to he psychiatrist for any problem. I can't believe Don was so absolutley terrible, good looking rich man who treated her and her kids well. Jesus you guys really are pathetic. Don is no saint, but apart from being hot, Betty is absolutley no catch and a terrible human being.
I disliked Don. So manipulative. He attempted to run away a few times and treated his wife as if she had no sense.
@Indiana Deckard Solo Says the guy who desperately wishes he was Harrison Ford.
She didn’t tho lol. “She’s a silly woman”
@@sebastiancasas2074 A silly woman who jumped ship at a good time . Her 2nd husband was definitely better than Don
Can you imagine how different their marriage would have been if he had told her the truth about his past from the beginning of their marriage? He wouldn't have cheated on her and and she wouldn't bottle up her anger and take them out on innocent people like Sally and Carla.
XxMyLameUserNamexX See this is the thing. It was there upbringing that made it fall apart. Betty always needed approval of someone else and she needed someone as a guardian. While Don never saw any emotions for most part of his early life. So,he was cold emotionless person. Cheating in marriage was unnecessary.
One changed event does not turn a difficult person into a genuinely nice person.
she would not have married him then ... an honest Don is not the charismatic man we see
he would've still cheated
No, its not that ... its about life..
For a woman of Betty's time, her identity was defined by her husband. She was Mrs. Don Draper, she thought. It was not because he was born poverty, she knew his background was humble. It was the child of a prostitute, stole another man's identity(who had a wife), deserted a war, and lied everyday about it that she rejected. And now that she met Henry Francis, she doesn't have to stay.
It was really his infidelity that triggered her wanting to divorce him. She only stayed because she was pregnant, and when Henry came along, she saw a man that could potentially rescue her. Pandora's box (aka his desk drawer) was the final straw.
Julie Erin “Pandora’s box.” Nice.
how can people say she's a bad actress?
have you seen her in X-Men?
she’s a bad actress but she shines as Betty because that coldness and that monotone voice are part of her character
@Piper Black facts. It took me to see her as Betty to see that.
Probably because she’s an asshole. It was pretty well documented that she was a nightmare to work with.
She is mesmerizing as Betty IMO. January shines as shy, repressed women.
So much has changed in the next three seasons yet so much regarding Don remains the same. He's still morose. Remarried but still a cheat. It seems some people are destined for unhappiness no matter how much they have in life.
She had guts to leave it was 1963 when women did not hv choices
She only left when she found a plan B.
Sebastián Anděl Yep she cunningly tread water in her marriage to Don until the next hapless hubs (read:meal ticket) materialized, and then she monkey branched into Marriage #2. I think Kanye wrote a song about Betty...Now I ain’t sayin’ she a gold digger, but she ain’t messin’ wit no broke ...🤣
You know she is not a real life person Betty right?
@Adexia The kuinn I would feel better if she weren't a useless bitch and a gold digger.
In this situation, it's Don who doesn't have a choice, if he doesn't give her what she wants, he'll go to jail.
If Don was really Don or if Betty didn't find out about his fraudulent past, she wouldn't have dared to divorce him.
These characters aren't good or bad. They are the way they are. This is how the life is. If they both loved each other enough then there marriage would've survived.
Yes! People are so quick to take sides or judge these characters but everyone is flawed and fall short of the person that they present to the world. That's what I feel the show really put on display, everyone's struggle to be human in this world. It's a deep statement but after seeing the series a couple times I realize it's one of the deepest shows ever made and I love that about it.
Don't you understand? They didnt have a relationship. They didn't really love each other. There was a base love that forms when your with someone long enough. But real love requires transparency, honesty. That was never there.
@@copheart flaws can be overcomed. that's no excuse when better judgement is always an option for any intelligent man or woman.
@@Ghost7065 What is your point? I wasn't making excuses. You may try and overcome your own shortcomings, but you'll never be perfect. You'll always be flawed and continue to make mistakes. Arrogance is a flaw in a lot of people.
@@copheart I never said you were making excuses. I was reffing to the character.
the point is in the statement btw.
You know a mad men episode is about to end because it gets super depressing
She so elegant even when angry
I believe Betty had just come from meeting Henry, he asked her to marry him and they had a long passionate kiss. Betty realized at that moment that she loved Henry and had fallen out of love with Don. She realized that Henry was all the things she hoped she'd find in Don but never did, never could.
Atleast she said it to his face, rather than having it behind his back.
@@judyjoseph4925 he cheated with other women behind her back
Translation, she found out another wealthy man would marry her so she doesn't need Don's money anymore
It's interesting how she's always wearing grey whenever she's depressed or going through turmoil.
Alfred Hitchcock, who was OBSESSED with ice cool blondes, said grey is the color that a blonde looks absolutely her worst in.
Weiner is a big Hitchcock fan, and made an entire episode, The Inheritance season 2 episode 10, as an homage to the Master.
There are Hitchcock motifs all over that episode.
As Ive said before, I was so thankful for Don's sake that Betty throws him out of his own house, for which he paid.
It made Don free, and reduced Betty to an afterthought after this episode.
Bravo for Betty! He lied to her for how many yrs? Then cheated on her over and over. You always reap what you sow.
Lesson: Don't cheat on your spouse.
Lesson: Marriage beacuse you love the other for what he/she is. Not because the physics or an imaginary.
@@elpensadorrene2824 Lesson: be grateful that a bitch like Betty leaves you.
That added at least 10 more years, to Don's life, and dropped at least 50 points off of his blood pressure.
Sweet relief.
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 Don's alcoholism was out of control the following season and his self-loathing was at an all-time high. Did you actually watch the show or are you just another stupid misogynist who thinks this show is about how koool and badass Don is and how his wife is a bitch?
@@afonsosousa2684 I'll have to rewatch the show and get back to you on that.
/s
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 awww try again.
i don't think he was manipulating her in this scene, i think he was in so much denial of the truth he already knew he just wanted to work his way out of this, make it okay just for now. i don't think his words were even directed at her here, he was telling himself all the stuff he said out loud
Don deserved it, but I couldnt help but feel for him at the end.He is truly heartbroken.He did love Betty, but by then it was too late.
Don doesn't love Betty. Don's reaction was the typical of one when we have something taken away from us.. we want it all the more
jonwiley i dont think loved any of his women. I dont think he loved him self. I think he cared tho.
Not sure if he actually loved her---it was probably just his ego being bruised right there.
yea honestly he could not love like really love someone besides his own children..not even betty or megan because when you love someone you almost do the impossible to protect them and never hurt them sadly...the only people he really loved were his children
@@Janette388 actually, I am not sure if he even loved his own kids
Don had it coming. Throughout most of their marriage, Don was cheating on Betty with multiple women at a time. Before she found out Don cheated, Betty couldn't even understand why people cheat on each other!
With that being said, I can empathize to some degree with Don. Even though he's a broken man, he did have real feelings for each of the women he's with. He did care for all of them. He also loved his children, in a lot of ways, he acted more like a parent than Betty does.
i agree with most of what you said except betty not understanding cheating. she wanted to cheat before she knew don was. the more he worked and she felt neglected, the more she thought about other men. she almost let the air vent guy come to her room. she even masturbated thinking about him one time. only difference was don was more comfortable in himself with sleeping with other partners where as betty was hesitant and only did when she found out don did. so two wrongs do make a right? also don is a permiscuous person and betty plays like she's not. so it was kind of messed up she got him back by cheating. i do understand her leaving him though. that was alot different than cheating. francis is another don though. betty likes the bad boys lol.
THere is a difference between wanting and having. Everyone has desires, but not everyone has the willpower to overcome it. Betty did with the salesman and Don almost never could resist another attractive woman's interest.
I think Betty has more moral standing than Don does. Besides, I don't think Francis is anything like Don. Unlike Don, he pays attention to Betty and her needs. I think the two of them make a good couple actually.
drepop803 Actually you're wrong, Don DID deserve to be cheated on and Betty didn't. Betty didn't "get him back by cheating". How many times did guys hit on her and call her beautiful but she didn't flirt back let alone cheat. The whole point is that she could have cheated at any time and CHOSE NOT TO. She wasn't promiscuous she was in need of loyalty and respect (as we all are, it's an important part of marriage) and Don showed her neither. Their marriage had ended long before she left him for someone else and it ended by Don's own doing. Yes, it took being loved by someone else for Betty to really know what it felt like to be loved, but that actually makes Don's case worse. She was there all along, loving Don, he could have repaired his marriage at any point but he chose to be abusive and cheat on her. Don DID deserve it and leaving him DID make it right.
I know this is a 4 year old comment but I have to say this Don didnt have any feelings for the women he was with just think of Dr Faye he left her over a phonecall for some other women, think of Sally's teacher he left her without saying goodbye
@@drepop803 honestly Betty decided to leave until she was sure henry was serious about her..because she felt in love with him..
I feel the weight on his shoulders as he hangs his head in shame. Superbly shot and acted. Still waiting for a show as good as Mad Men...
Breaking bad is pretty amazing also that same metaphorical writing and dramatic feel, of course breaking bad has some dark humor more than Mad Men but still there’s the same great acting/writing/music thing going
That's what he gets for cheating on his beautiful wife.
And then that beautiful wife cheats on her actual loyal, loving husband.
Nobodies a perfect white angel.
@@user-ec4fm6uq8d perfect.
I completely agree. If his name was still Dick he would still be the same person, just without a little box of secrets and pictures.
So, happy she left him. She was relieved and he was stressed.
Once the trust is gone, the the love decays.
I thought she was brilliant to get Henry the way she did. I don’t think it was fake either. Henry was a good man.
I know Don was a jerk, but this scene made me so sad when I first saw it. I wanted Don & Betty to fix things & stay together. :(
They didn't have a marriage.
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Why? They weren't fit for eachother, both Don and Betty weren't great people.
I thinks it's so sad that he had to lose her to realise that he loves her et no one else and that chasing mistresses was just a way to run away from I don't know what.
He is an ass for everything he did to that beautiful woman who would have done everything to make him happy. He lost her by pushing her away and yet I feel sad for him. Some people have too lose what they have before they realise they love it and when they have it they have to destroy it. Some people just can't be happy.
Sarahlovemia exactly what I am always thinking
I was kinda sad when I knew that we were going to see less of her.
Why? her only purpose on the show was to break the "Barbie and Ken" image of the 50-60's. Betty is a well written character, but she is also a terrible person with child-like personality.
When I first saw this episode I realized I was watching a masterpiece. Mad Men is the best series created EVER! The acting is incredible! Don hanging his head in shame. Wow.
one of the best mad man moments ever.
When i watch "Mad Men" now, especially scenes like this, i can't help thinking about what a hilarious actor Jon Hamm really is and i'm even more impressed by him. When i watch his work in things like "30 Rock" or in "Bridesmaids", i almost forget about Don Draper entirely.
There are few things more depressing than going to sit down alone, in the late November twilight.
He was definitely an ANTI-hero! Haha. January was great here. Go Betty!
I love the historical references in this show. Kennedys murder was the end of an era and having his funeral coverage in the background of the end of this very 50/early 60's marriage ending was symbolic. Times are drastically changing for everyone, even if they don't know it yet.
That right Betty
@StrawberriesBlue, Mad Men is coming back for season 5 in March, 2012. Filming starts this August.
The one thing that Madmen did very well was make living in the suburbs seem like a painfully slow death. Betty's and Don's lives seemed so boring.
Don is the winner in this scene.......he's free.
He's been on his own since he left Korea, and will survive, and land on his feet.
Like he always does.
Don is built to last.
You feel better in the morning.. You'll see... Lol oh Don...
Mrs.Draper was fairly cool.:)) This scene was amazing because of serious
I don't think I have ever despised an onscreen character the way I despise Don Draper's.
The guy is messed up in every sense of the word. But most of all, a COWARD.
These are really some slimy conniving people. I hope the other commenters on here are not living lives like this.
I have no moral dillema living life in such a way. Side females with one main, its perfectly normal. monogamy is boring.
Dan It is if you ain’t got love. Monogamy is boring if you have no morals or principles and only care for yourself and your own gratification. I used to believe the same thing. You’ll see in time brotha.
It took her 3seasons to get tired of his shit lmao
Alot of people condemn the fans who see Don as this one dimensional Alpha Male Badass Personna thinking that the right way to view him is as a P.O.S who no one should be like who lives a sad lonely existence, but if that's how you see it then you're one dimensional too (even if you view him as a "complicated character" or "flawed" or whatever) the full description of his character, which reflects the whole series, which in turn reflects life in general, is the tension between those two perspectives, you may think "well he just has to be a good open honest person and all will be alright." but his charm comes for being who he is, the emotionally unavailable womanizer, it's what makes him the irresistible, part of what makes him able to get with the women in his life, who are sought after by many suiters but choose him, is the fact that he's always out of reach (an epiphenomenon of which is the cheating) yes it's the cause of constant tension in all of his relationships but it's also what attracts the women to him in the first place, it's a sad paradox that can't be resolved.
When Don is being a manipulative turd he call her Bets. When Don is having real feelings of love he calls her Birdie.
women cheat relentlessly too. it's a jungle out there and i wish you all the best if you decide to give it a shot.
The way that music hits once they separated. My god.
Never saw a man so dead inside.
You go girl 💪
makes me cry
Don is a great ad man because he can get people to believe they must have the product long enough for them to buy it.
Don gets all kinds of women because he can get them to believe they must have him long enough to have a one night stand, an affair, or even a marriage.
Trouble is, what Don sells is an image, not a reality. That works for selling products, but women discover they fell for the image and not the reality, and then it's over.
That's what's really happening - Betty realizes the Don Draper she thought she married does not exist - and never did.
It is frequently shown that Betty cares far more about appearances than reality. Yet there is a point beyond which reality matters to her, and we see it here.
In the end, when she decides not to fight the cancer, it's partly about appearances (leaving a good-looking corpse) but also about her acceptance of reality (her chances of surviving the disease are slim to none.)
@martiandoll You're right about all those things, but for some reason I can't help but still like Don.
I loved the scene when Don confronts Betty about her & Henry (who became her next husband). Have that scene?
2 year olds actually have compassion towards others, though.
I hate his character. I felt so bad for Betty and I wanted her to be with a faithful man that looks better than Don and respects her and treats her well. The writers messed up her character... Making her fat etc. I wanted her to be happy for so much of the show she is sad and being mistreated
Jesus, go through anything like that yourselve.lol
Looks better than Don?!
They made her fat because she was pregnant at the time
Blame January Jones' real life pregnancy for that.
Lucivs Laplacius why bring race into this? Jesus Christ 🙄🙄
People saying Don is worse than Betty. Lets see some facts. Yes, Don is a horrible person for constantly cheating on his faithful wife. But so does she when she later cheats on Henry out of the blue. Just because she did it once does not mean she is better than Don. She is just as horrible in that regard. This point is to be taken with a pinch of salt but Don sleeps with people whom he atleast knows, converses with and whom he even tries to help. eg - sussane, midge. Betty sleeps with a random stranger in a bar. Food for thought?. Now lets come to other walks of life. Don is a self made man who came out of extreme poverty. And that is not just based on good looks alone. He is smart, calculated, knows when to speak and what to speak. The man made his own fortune. Yes, he did something illegal. But a person whose mother was a 22-year old dead prostitute and who grew up under an abusive houshold in a whorehouse, he did whatever it took to survive and became a millionaire. He is good to his kids. Empathetic. Never belittles people. He fired his clleagues for making fun of someone's vulnerability. eg - when they were making fun of freddie peeing his pants, when he finds out sal in homosexual. Betty on the other hand is petty. She has a mind of a child. She instills fear in her children. Frequently loses temper over trivial things. Slaps sally. Threatens to cut off her fingers. Refuses to move houses after she asks Don to leave. Cheats on Henry and sleeps with Don. A man whom she kicked out since he was unfaithful and the list goes on.
Why do I feel so good when something bad happens to a character I really like?
You might have attachment issues. You would generally hate people who like you
@@rhl09 I feel like you mean that for real, even though the answer is obviously that don is an asshole and deserves everything he gets, but I like him because he is a well written character
@@nefelitsakiridi I think we don't view Don through kind eyes. He had a tough life, he might be a cheater but he doesn't dump his wife even though she is paranoid and other men in his trade are frivolous. He i think is struggling to bury his demons but is a scarred soul
@@rhl09 I think I am probably misunderstanding what you mean, but are you saying Betty is paranoid is this scene? 😂
@@nefelitsakiridi no, she also doesn't get Don. Don is elusive and mysterious
what unreal fucking acting. I miss this show
Uf corse, that wasn't true. She was just mad and frustrated and she blew up after years and years suffering in silence. And she did that because she loved him and not because she doesn't feel anything. It's a thin line between love and hate.
I love Betty so much my favourite character. She's so stunning rewatching series again 😍😍 she had a nice house but put up so much crap
can anyone get the footage of don confronting betty that she is cheating on him in the bedroom of their house? season 3 finale THX just couldnt find it anywhere
Does anybody know where i can find that sweater he has on?
Remember the time depicted here. For all of time till then, historicly expected modes of conduct for men in certain positions as displays of potential, colide with cultural changes all at once and no model to follow combined with job pressure unmatched till then. Husbands socially stable lives came to one sudden massive explosion, the ripples of which we have yet to see settle as men spin in this social blender. Maybe we men of today deserve a little slack since your grandpas did way worse.
When is this show coming back???
Get out from your high horse ladies with all your love. She already had Henry in the line.
After what he did to her she was completely justified
And Don had many women on the line also. Cheating relentlessly
What I find really galling about Betty’s behavior here is that…. It’s not the cheating, or the lying/gaslighting, or being emotionally unavailable. None of those things caused her to fall out of love with Don or leave him.
What’s the thing that does it? Don actually telling her the truth and finding out that he comes from a dirt-poor background and basically doesn’t have a family. THAT is really why she does this, and is the one real new wrinkle to Don’s behavior.
Is falling in and out of love a true feeling? What is the difference between respecting, caring and liking. Is this love or a higher level of emotion or a completely separate relationship state?
He was murdered because he would not participate in the Vietnam War any where near the level that the military industrial complex desired. LBJ got filthy rich doing what JFK wouldn’t
i wonder to why people say that-i say she acts perfect..
Anyone feeling sorry for this person (Don Draper isn't even his real name), hasn't been paying attention.
Why?
Is he Adolf Hitler?
I dont feel sorry for Don, but I can understand that he is hurt by her admission.
Believe it or not, Don is a human being, on this show.
A lot of people feel elated that Don is getting what he deserves hers, and that's fine, and they can hate him all they want.
He isn't sub-human, however.
@@asunnyplaceforshadycharact5979 He is a remorseless narcissist. He ruined other people, but we should feel bad for him when he gets some hurt? I think not.
@@MegaRudeBoy69 He was only partly a narcissist.
Don would never want applause, or ve admired, he was filled with a self-loathing that did not require counter-balancing with moments of 'Hey, look at me'.
Don was a lot more than that.
@@asunnyplaceforshadycharact5979 The audience were the only ones who got to se those moments of regret. That's like feeling sorry for a serial killer because they feel some kind of way after the killings.
@@MegaRudeBoy69 I think some proportionality needs to be introduced.
What Don did killed a marriage, not a human being.
I know what you said was meant as analogous, but he wasn't a sociopath.
He was a deeply scarred man, with facets both admirable, and contemptible.
Are you being facetious?
It's only a name. What would you have done if you were Don? He couldn't stay in Korea, so he assumed the identity of a dead soldier. That's all he lied about. Should he have gone back to his abusive family? He had to lie to her about it so he wouldn't face serious consequences. It's only a fucking name. He's the same person she "used to love."
@StrawberriesBlue this summer. august i think.
Betty did the right thing
I've never been married, but I know what Don's feeling.
Both Betty and don horrible parents but I cheered for Betty in this scene, he’s worse then her.
Don got depressed because she didn't feel a thing haaahaha
Betty was treated by many fans as a terrible person. She did eventually turn mean. But she was a loyal good wife to Don and Don was horrible to her. He drove her to that if you start from the beginning. She knew he was a piece of shit and tried really hard to make it work anyway, while he abandoned her emotionally and physically most of the time. I always said you could tell if a woman screams 'I love toxic relationships, and wouldn't know what to do with a good man if I had one.' if they somehow did the mental gymnastics to sympathize with Don over Betty. He's like the handsome psychologically, and emotionally abusive dream toxic man they always wanted.
Wickedness Never Was Happiness
As much as I dislike how Don handles SO. MANY. FUCKING. THINGS. I still want him to succeed. I still want him to be the best ad man in the world. I want him to make those big sells. I want him to make things right with his kids and his girlfriends/wives. I want him to stop making bad decisions and to grow up. Because he can be a fucking great dude if he stops acting the way he does. If he stops and thinks for a second about the decisions he makes. As successful as Don is, he still has so much untapped potential. Not to just be more successful, but to be a better person in general. And I'm glad we saw a little inkling of that at the end of the show. But I wish we got a bigger redemption arc tbh.
Well, this is the problem with the monogamy. We sacrifice too much for one women.
@StrawberriesBlue January 2012
Truth is betty and don got married because “That’s what people do” as Sterling said once. They “fell in love” but it was more lust and desire than anything. Betty was a beautiful young model ready to be married and Don was big executive with smooth talk, there was no real connection between them. Don wanted to be accepted for who he is but he never trusted Betty with his real self since he saw her as immature and childish. She didn’t understand him. Betty wanted a men to lover her and provide the package-children, house, car and money. She got one but not the other. All this lead to the affairs don had with other women. He kept doing it because he thought betty wouldn’t dare to leave him, since he gave her all she wanted (in his mind). They were basically a terrible couple destined for failure
Betty is my least favorite character but this scene is very well acted.
Betty is doing a service to two people here.
Herself, for going to a kind, and more loving man, in Henry.
And Don, for relieving him of his duty, as the picture of American Success husband.
A facade, which he loathes.
Don can now go to his self-laothing outright.
It's where his true self lies.
It's better to be miserable, and real about it, than pretend to be happy.
At least Don now had a chance to really start over.
Well, with Don it would take many, many do-overs.
Fitzgerald said, there are no second acts in American life.
Don Draper is evidence to the contrary.
She is my favorite Mad Men character.
@martiandoll EXACTLY!!!
It's not until Don exposes his origins in poverty and the one in a million chance chance to change his identity and life that Betty decides to leave him for a more upscale man to continue her life as Mrs Goody Two Shoes.
She never gave a shit about the poverty, its his secrecy. He chose her as his wife and mother of his children but didn't see fit to come clean with her about his history. I can usually gauge a fan's intelligence by how they feel about Betty. Sorry Mari, you didn't make the cut
@@Onigirli Jon Hamm has stated he doesn't like the character of Betty.
Does that make him stupid?
2 days ago
@martiandoll I agree, but she is cold towards her children and that's why I don't like her.
It's sad that she thinks it matters to him whether she loves him or not.
i would have told her so what and kept watching tv .
i would love to be as mysterious as him...
@Moira Piper He's also great at his job, a provider, and an old-school guy who takes his beatings like a man, and doesnt whine like a pussy.
But he doesnt practice fidelity, so HE'S A DICK!!!
Well, he actually IS a Dick, but you know what I mean.
Cheating Man BAD.
In many ways Don is the American Dream.
Guy came up from DIRT.
There's an aspirational quality to Don that is attractive even beyond his indecently handsome looks.
@martiandoll I second that.