I actually think that this is the best Disney sequel. There is, however, one thing that really bothers me and that is that they insisted on connecting the antagonists to Scar. (This has been the problem in many sequels.) Since Zira was never shown in the first movie and there were no lionesses who liked Scar, Zira and her pride should have been some unknown lions who decided to take over the Pridelands. Connection to Scar seems forced and unconvincing.
You sort just have to think why she wasn’t there and then everything makes sense For example Zira could have left to take care of her children because Kovu and vitani might have been babies at that time so she left to find them a place to live when returning finds out what happened and attacks simba
@Izzy Kash "the connection was that she was a close follower to him and her son was hand chosen by scar because he was the only alfa out of the outlanders" Zira was never mentioned in TLK1 and no lioness was shown to show sympathy for Scar. Therefore, her "loyalty" to Scar in TLK2 is forced. Regarding Kovu, Scar isn't his father so it makes no sense for Scar to choose him to be the heir. Why would Scar even bother with this? Also, who is Kovu's father? It isn't Scar, so it means that there was another adult male lion in the Pridelands during Scar's reign. What happened to him? It all makes no sense. On the other hand, if Zira's gang came from some other land and tried to take over the Pridelands, all these problems disappear.
There are 4 things I wish this movie did. 1. Show some flashbacks of Scar and Zira together, and when he chose Kovu to take up after him. 2. Another Simba & Nala duet. 3. Another Timon & Pumbaa song. Hell, even a song by Zazu would’ve been nice. 4. An actual one on one fight between Simba and Zira, during the final battle scene. With Simba eventually winning of course. Before Kiara and Kovu interrupt.
Agree but I would also like if they showed how Kiara becomes more then just a princess/future queen and more seen of Kovu expressing how he feels since he loves Kiara but he also cares about his family
Considering the they added a Zazu song to the original, I have to disagree with your 3rd point because it just felt off compared to the rest of the movie's songs. Also, you do realize that Zira is the same age as Simba and Nala, right? Zira was not involved with Scar romantically. She was just a follower/worshipper and Kovu is not Scar's blood-related son. Scar just picked him as his successor.
The lion king movie 2 is one of my favourite I LOVE IT SO MUCH I never understand why there are so many haters about it!!! The female protagonist and female villain with a believable but exciting romance. Its amazing, what is there not to fall in love with??!!!
Alpha Nightwolf Uhm... It’s not hard to explain why there are so many people that hate this movie (including myself): The animation is horrible, the characters are terrible (they even ruined the characters from the original movie like Simba, Nala, Rafiki, Timon & Pumbaa), the songs are just annoying (including the background music), Kovu and Kiara are *one of the worst movie couples of all time* 🤮, the villain is weird ( literally *NOTHING* compared to Scar), the story is boring and the only “good“ thing in this movie is probably the message and even that is definitely not as powerful or beautiful than in the original movie! All in all the movie is definitely NOT a worthy sequel to the brilliant movie “The Lion King“ (that is by the way one of the greatest movies of all time) and is a good example that a masterpiece like the Lion King definitely shouldn’t have a sequel! 😉
@@ar_lkac7237 Yes, go on. I have no problem with ur opinions but pls chill. Its hard to make a movie and i love it, even if u dont, so each to their own
Alpha Nightwolf Well you said that you don’t know why there‘re so many haters & that you don’t know what’s there not to fall in love with and I explained it! 🤷♀️ I accept your opinion too and honestly I don’t care!
@@pony7653 To be fair i'm not a hater of the movie but most Direct to dvd sequels arre better to skip. Heck years later Ralph 2 and Frozen II get to be relesed in theaters
@MothiiCloudii Kovu and Simba would be cousins and Kiara would be his niece but Kovu is another males so other than from Scar how would they be related?
Something that bothered me when I rediscovered this film was Kovu's relationship with his siblings; it felt underdeveloped and I didn't know why. That was until I read the film's script online and confirmed a theory; Kovu doesn't share a word of dialogue with either Nuka or Vitani, nor does he reference them to other characters. Well, that's not wholly true, there are three instances that count; he growls back at Vitani when she ask to fight as cubs, he tries to defend Nuka when Zira gets on his case for not watching Kovu, and he tries to dig his brother out of the logs after the chase with Simba, but that's all. Otherwise we have no idea how he feels about them; how did he respond to Nuka's resentment? Does he get along with his sister? What shared interests do they have?
@Lance Keith This is something that Jambareeqi said in his review that would have made for a less confusing story. What if centuries ago, there was a pride that used to live at Pride Rock but their leader decides "Let's move, let's take over other rocks." Centuries past and a descendant of that pride decides "You know what, we need to take back Pride Rock, it belongs to us." It's a different idea that could have been used to follow the same story without creating a vast of plotholes. The only reason they tried to force Scar in this second story is just for fan service. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@mydude8731 he's actually giving good points whereas all you do is telling what happens in the plot. Don't try it if you don't stand a single chance against him.
Also Vitani redemption is rushed. She never started a redemption arc once. She just got off because of Kiara's peace speech. Why would she care about the peace if she wants to be loyal to her mother?
It wasn’t even straight to DVD. Technically it was originally on VHS tape which is a very crappy format but it also masks the weak animation. Watching the movie on DVD and especially the Blu-Ray rerelease is jarring because I finally see every animation flaw in HD glory where the old VHS low resolution hid the movie’s flaws. Kid me who grew up with the tapes actually thought the sequel looked better and it does if you watch them on an old TV using VHS.
I like the 1st lion king the best of all of the lion king movies simba and nala is one of my favorite disney couples but i dont like it when simba is grumpy in lion king 2 thats why i like the 1st lion king way better than 2nd one the 1st lion king was my one of my favorite childhood memories
Exactly I think an overrated opinion is the second is better then original. I like it a lot the second but nothing gets the original lion king out of my heart
I can find enough reason why lion king 2 is bad, but still like it, maybe even more than the original. Does anyone feel the same? Or am I mentally unstable??
Yes. I noticed too. All three movies show signs. There is a flashback during the climax of the original movie. There are nightmares in both sequals. In the second movie, there is a full blown dream sequence after Simba let's Kovu into his pride. In the 1 1/2 movie, Simba has insomnia as a cub and keeps Timon awake too. He mentions nightmares.
Sorry, but almost all of what you said can be explained by "it was a low budget direct to VHS flick". That's like comparing the quality of Sharknado to Jaws. In fact, I'm pretty impressed at how much they managed to achieve as a low budget direct to VHS flick.
@@evezoey Yeah the background music is very repetitive. It’s like a game soundtrack on an endless loop. There only seems to be maybe 3 different musical score’s used when there isn’t singing. There’s this “intense” track that sounds like a watered down version of “To Die For”, a score version of “We are One” that plays constantly. And a score version of “Love Will Find A Way”. Oddly enough I actually like “Love Will Find A Way” more than “Can You Feel The Love Tonight”.
1994's Lion king will always be disneys best movie. No questions asked. I dont care what anyone says. Simbas pride will always be disneys best sequel. End of story
@@creamfennec1988 I think he said that because a lot of furries liked this movie…for some reason. Regardless, anybody can appreciate this movie, doesn’t automatically make you a furry.
This film is rather different from the original. Wen you made your statements about what they had in common you were describing most Disney films. Also they had a smaller budget so they couldn’t do amazing animation. I love this film and there’s nothing wrong with it. You can have your opinion but this is just mine.
Looked it on the internet from a theory that was created by a fan? No, I don't think so. Did the movie mentioned something about her backstory? A little.
I completely disagree with you on zira. For me she wipes the floor with scar as a villain. Her motivations made sense. She was close and loyal to scar and she would do anything to avenge him and continue his legacy. She was also far more menacing than him. Where scar came off as a man child zira came off as a genuine psychopath. She was also not as cowardly as him.
Zira is totally unlikeable and that’s what makes her a good villain. She used her family to get what she wanted. She filled their heads with lies. Her emotional neglect as a parent lead to Nuka’s death. After Nuka died trying to earn the love of his mommy dearest (and for personal glory too) Zira blames Kovu for killing “your own brother!!!!” She also threatens Vitani with death when Vitani says “enough”. Zira also would rather die by suicide than accept help and Simba’s forgiveness. The only villain more despised and evil would be Judge Frollo from the original Hunchback movie. And that’s because he does the same but worse.
But the point is that it's unexplained the reason why she decided to be loyal to Scar nor what she did actually admired about him, considering that everyone in the original inc. the hyenas was tiring about his poor leadership. Zira doesn't exist until the sequel was written.
Scar’s motivation still makes sense. He was a selfish prick who wanted the throne, simple as that. The books try to go into further depth with scar and Mufasa’s relationship, but as far as the movies go, that’s it. Zira was a bit more sympathetic, but when it comes to motive comprehension, both characters are on the same playing field. Also, Jeremy irons gave scar a complex personality, he wasn’t always angry or plotting. Contrast that with zira, who is very one dimensional and whose VA went way over the top with annoying intensity.
I actually have to say that I feel like lion king 2 was better than the first. Obviously the first is a masterpiece but I loved the themes of the second one much more. Fighting against your destiny (kovu and simba (to a degree), wanting to be loved for who you are not because you are a princess (kiara) and maybe in kovus case even parental abuse because zira literally turns him into scar 2.0. I also loved the use of Symbolism mostly in the third act if I remember right, like kovu seeing scar when he sees his reflection or kiara missing half of herself when she is seperated from Kovu. Kids won't get these small things but as an adult you really apreciate those things. One of the best scenes that really nailed the theme of going against your destiny in my opinion is when Simba looks up to the sky to ask his father what he would do when he is faced with the choice to either accept the other lions (which is the opposite of what Mufasa did with the Hyenas) or to reject them again. After looking up he looks down and smiles realising what he has to do. I Just loved that, same with kovu who goes against his destiny by not becoming scar even tho he was trained to be him and even looks like him in the end, he chooses love instead of hate which consumed Scar and Zira and let to the deaths of both. I hope you got a new perspective on the movie after reading this massive text block.
You can say you LIKE it better than the original, but to say it's objectively better is incorrect just by looking at the difference in quality. The plot holes, the huge animation downgrade and numerous blunders, the off character models, questionable character choices etc. make it worse than the original. All the things you mentioned; were bias and only things that you enjoyed rather than looking at it objectively. The original had many symbolic moments too, you might've just missed them. Not to mention, the orginal has: won many awards, is the highest grossing hand drawn animated film of all time, holds the world record for VHS sales, has a Broadway show based on it, a live action movie which ranks number 8 on the highest grossing films of ALL TIME, documentaries, a TV spin off series, Disneyland festivals, countless merchandising, it's critically ranked higher than the sequel on every platform etc. The original Lion King has the longevity and quality that the sequel can never even dream to achieve or reach.
Firstly let's point out those things The original had a much better pacing and better side characters. In the second movie nothing really important happens until the last act, the side characters are pointless and do very little to contribute to the plot and the outsiders have an half-baked redemption considering they wanted to be loyal to Scar but then they stopped after Kiara said "We Are One". In the original we see Simba growing up throughout the movie and learning a lot of lessons. The story is also able to give you a lot of emotion and impact: in one moment Scar successfully kills Mufasa and takes over the throne starting his tyrannical rule, a major character dies onscreen and the villain wins the first round while the main hero was forced to exile. Timon and Pumbaa makes the story working very well, they are not only comic relievers but also wise characters that teach the main hero how to forget about the past and also share a lot of things with him (such as being pained by the past and watching stars), also Pumbaa has a lot of relatability. They start off as "doing nothing" buffons to badass friends who helps you against the villain. This is character development... The original was a story who deals with themes of life, grief about the past, family relations, responsability and guilt. Kiara isn't much of a deep or relatable character like her father... Her father in the first was a spoiled brat but that's because he's just a child being a child, after that he learned from his mistakes. His vision about the world also changes after his experience in the gorge and developes the character throughout the story. Simba is someone who is traumatized about his father's loss and can't get rid of those memories, he also refuse to take his responsabilities because he thinks no one needs him as he's "guilty" of his father's death until he learns that his responsability is still inside him and that whatever happens in the past he just learns from it and must just move on from it. He gets his proper character arc. He also had clear goals. Kiara never had any significant flaws nor she had something to learn. She's not destestable as character but she has just no much relatability and development in comparison to her father nor does she express any feelings and desires like the latter did.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 Also, Kiara is basically like: "Daddy, you're lying about Kovu attacking you! I've know him for a whole day and a half, he'd NEVER do that!" "Kiara, he's using you to get to me." (objectively true at first) "BuT daDdy, I lOvE hiM!" *Runs away to be with the one who was just accused of brutally trying to kill her own father.* She completely absolves Kovu of all blame for the ambush without even asking for an explanation. Fucking bimbo.
same, i do like the lion king 2 better :> i know the animation isnt as good, or arguable the music, but the plot is so much more interesting to me. also i really like the romance, its one of my favourite romances in any disney film!
As a kid I preferred this film to the original and even to this day I believe it's one of the rare sequels that is just as good if not better than the original. Not that the 1st isn't a masterpiece. I've never understood the hate for this film and some of the songs are among the best of Disney.
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@@theawesomebat1244 hated all of those sequel and also all of those sequel are so disrespectful to their original first movie except Lion King 2 Lion King 1 1/2 Cinderella 3 and aladdin 3 the king of thieves those are the only ones that I like
It isn't the story of the Lion King though. This is a story about a lioness coming into her own, yes, but the biggest message of the film was very different from the lion king. In the lion king, Simba has to fight the hyenas and Scar, and kill in order to win his pride and his woman. A very typical fight to get a reward, and win reward. Kiara, however, learns to be herself while becoming a leader, and the movie illustrates that violence isn't always necessary, that people can come together and get past their differences, and that "evil" is not necessarily black and white, and is more about how a person's situation can shape how they have to be, but that you can overcome the situation of your birth
The Lion King's story was hardly a "carbon copy" of Kimba. I don't doubt that Disney took plenty of influence from Kimba, but the overall story beats and characterization differ to varying degrees.
Lance Keith no. Only Zira and her children were banished. In The Lion Guard, we see Zira’s pride but with less lionesses. It’s clear that Zira planned her revenge plot early on and tried to recruit as many lionesses to her side as possible, alongside Kovu’s plan(with Kiara).
Lance Keith I think Kovu(along with Vitani) were born before Scar’s death because Scar chose Kovu to be his heir. Maybe they were both adopted when Zira went ‘far enough’ looking for food (Scar said Sarabi didn’t look ‘hard enough’)
Lance Keith well, Nala may have got pregnant during the love song, and lionesses are pregnant for around 100 days if my mind serves me right. Let’s just assume Kovu was found 1 day before Simba returned or something. In real life mothers are separated from their pride for a few weeks after cubs are born(to raise them) so it could somehow explain why she didn’t appear in the battle in the end of lion king 1994
unpopular opinion: i thought kiara was an incredibly boring protagonist, with a bland personality despite supposedly being all about "i am more than my duties towards my kingdom", she has no development and she makes many outright dumb decisions. it's a fine movie, but upon rewatching it, i realized just how unlikeable and selfish kiara is
Simba’s story was actually interesting and we were so invested in it, making us wonder what will happen next and we don’t get that same feeling with Kiara her story isn’t interesting at all, I feel like they shouldn’t have made a sequel, to me it was completely unnecessary tbh
What I disliked about her was that nice she met Kovu, she was basically like a lioness in heat incapable of thinking reasonably. Her dad came back with severe injuries and she goes around calling him "You will never be Mufasa" and defends someone who originally only approached her to get a chance at killing Simba. Plus, Kovu tried to pounce on Simba once but got interrupted by Kiara. She barely knew Kovu but she went against Simba who raised her since childhood. Plus, the fact that Simba's overprotectiveness wasn't wrong if we consider the three times Kiara got close to death. Once, with the crocodiles and Kovu help her. Second, with Zira about to pounce on her but Simba was around, third with her disobeying Simba and nearly dying during her first hunt. Was Simba really overprotective? From my point of view, Kiara would not have reached adulthood if Simba wasn't overprotective. She was gullible, too naive, too kind and forgiving and too lovestruck that she even seemed rude. She didn't seem to think with her brains but with her heart. Good thing a pride is ruled by a lion and not a lioness. If she ruled instead of Kovu, the pride would be killed by enemies.
This movie will have some flaw than another, but I really enjoyed it a lot as a child and I would say that it is almost as good as the first, and the third movie even if it is not as good as the previous two is enjoyable
This was a horrible explanation to an opinion. For a budget cut in half, the animation was wonderful. It's a children's movie anyways. The kids don't notice a difference. Only judgmental adults. Not to mention the differences you mentioned happen to EVERY sequel Disney has released. It's a pretty bad talking point if you didn't personally donate to production. 2. The fire in the 2ed felt more realistic. Idk what you're on, but as a child, it soiked more fear for me than the 1st movie. I sensed danger in the first movie. But In the 2ed the fire was the threat and moved so rapidly and violently I was actually scared for her. Also. The first movie is based off hamelt. The 2ed is bases off Romeo and Juliet. Everything you mentioned that was similar is literally similar in EVERY DISNEY MOVIE, it had nothing to do with comparable plots. And the fight at the end of the 2ed brought PEACE. Not more devide. It had a better message for children, whom the movie was made for. This was made by an extremely snobby person.
I am very excited to hear that Disney will be re-making the lion king 2: Simba's Pride into another live action movie! I am very curious and interested in knowing what Kovu, Kiara, Nuka, Vitani, and Zira will look like. I also think they should throw some flashbacks of Scar and Zira choosing Kovu to take his place. They should have memories of Mufasa and Scar in the movie telling about their childhood!
I understand why would pple see the second movie as unfaithful to the first movie but personally i saw the second before the first anf it's for me so much better than the first one
actually as a kid i watched lion king 2 before lion king 1 so because of that i didnt really see flaws with the sequel nowadays i know that it has flaws but it wont stop me from loving it
Doing dong your opinion is wrong......just kidding I like it even though it has some mistakes and the plot is ok..... I guess but I respect your opinion trust me I used to hate this show too because I was messed up back then but I love it now
Id disagree about this being a bad sequel overall, yes its got some moments that made no sense at all, like for instance zira and kofu, and what realation they had to scar, how was kofu chosen by him, you would have to dig into the deep lore of lion king, i think they mention her in lion king 1, butbifmts breif and you never see her, the reason this movie is a great sequel, is it shows how somba habdles being king, how far he has matured and the pressures of running a kingdom, and how its not as simple as he wanted to as a kid, it goes into really how far simba matured and is willing to listen and accept things
First statement I def agree with, him being such a helicopter does take the fun away The second statemenr ain't relevant, lmfao. It's totally fine if he has a daughter, it'd be boring if it was son-after-son-after-son etc
Yeah dude, everything is subjective. Most sequels are not that good compared to the original. But for a sequel this was at least decent and far from "bad". I am not saying you should learn to appreciate the little things because you have every right to have your own standard, but I don't need to share it. So If TLK 2 is your standard for "bad", like if that is your mindset, I'm out. I find it superungrateful, disregarding, demanding... simply blind in a way to be honest. Not interested in watching videos coming from that mindset. Unsubbed.
It's almost as if the point of the channel is to review and give an opinion. Brain Pilot wouldn't want subscribers who don't understand what a channel that reviews things does.
"Yeah dude, everything is subjective." That's not quite true, there are plenty of things in storytelling that can be objectively measured and assessed. "So If TLK 2 is your standard for "bad", like if that is your mindset, I'm out. I find it superungrateful, disregarding, demanding... simply blind in a way to be honest." Or you could see it as an engagement for discussion. If it's objectively bad, then we can look at the elements of the film that make it that way, see how they outweigh or negate the good ones, and discuss how it could have been done better. If it's objectively good, we could talk about the elements that contribute to that quality, how it compares t the first film, minor stuff that could have been done better. Bottom line, attributing an objective judgement to a film is not inherently a means to close discussion or be blind; positions can still be contested,and new perspectives/ideas can be generated.
I feel like TLK2 is not necessarily a bad movie but a movie that does a poor job at explaining the origins of the antagonist factions and why Zira has the motivations to take down Simba and his pride. Especially when every lion at the end of the first movie had switched their allegiance to Simba. Not Scar.
*Cutely gives everyone some of the lion king two book for no reason* Lion King 2 Prologue “It’s time.” Rakifi said gently, walking out onto the gold-ish covered rock. My mother gently picked me up by my scruff and stood up from her previous position. Rafiki did some strange motions with his hands and my mother started walking towards him. I wondered what was happening as we padded closer to Rafiki. Rafiki hugged both my parents and put his hands below me. Suddenly my mother dropped me into his grasp and my fathers bird bowed. The wind was full of leaves today, I noted. Rafiki takes me to the edge of the rock where he stood before and lifted me up to the sky so all the animals below me could see. The feathers blew past the animals and the animals all said their own unique noises. I smiled, not really knowing what was going on but delighted to be out of the den. Suddenly light shed on me from the sky and I moved my paws happily. I giggled and flicked my tail happily. The feathers blew past me and towards my parents. They drifted past my paws and I took it as an opportunity to slap them playfully. Rafiki lifted his head up and the animals all bowed, making their unique noises once again. I heard a grey wrinkly animal trumpet loudly and flinched back in surprise. Suddenly a flock of white birds flew over my parents, presumably frightened by those huge wrinkly animals. Rafiki suddenly reached down with one hand and grabbed some red paint. He smeared it over my forehead and I looked at him, then my parents came over to me. I opened my mouth in joy and both my parents nuzzled me proudly. I didn’t know what I’d done right, but I knew I loved them. I loved them infinitely. Suddenly two of my fathers strange family members spoke up. The little creamy one spoke first and the hairless one responded. They continued having their own little conversation and suddenly the cream one let out a burp. They continued talking and Rafiki joined in, correcting them about something. I looked at my mother, confused. She blinked reassuringly back at me while both my fathers friends exclaimed loudly. Chapter One I bounced out of the den excitedly, stopping for a minute to catch my breath and flick my tail. I looked at the ground to see any bugs or anything new before looking down at the huge Savannah. “Wow!” I exclaimed loudly, flicking my tail once more and bouncing down the stone steps. “Woah!” My father ran up to me and grabbed my scruff before I could go any further. He lifted me up and stood back. He dropped me and I giggled. I tried to rush back to the den to maybe fool him into playing hide and seek but he put his paw in the way to stop me. “Where do you think you’re going in such a hurry?” He picked me up with his paw and I let out a small complaint. “Daddy! Let go!” I laughed while he put my beside his other foot. “Well, I just want you to be careful.” He said while a gorgeous orange and yellow butterfly flew towards us. I got up and chased it. “Rawr!” I tried to pounce on it but fell short by quite a lot.
If the do a second live action I hope they keep it like the original, no point changing a perfect movie, just polish the graphics to fit modern times. I was disappointed in the first one, got all hyped, watched it, don’t have that “I want to watch again” vibe
What about simba's nightmare of getting the same fate as his father His voice felt so fucking Sarcastic and it just made me want mufasa as the main lion again
Sorry, I COMPLETELY disagree with your assessment that it was the same story. Lion King 1 was an allegory for Hamlet. Lion King 2 was an allegory for Romeo and Juliet. Lion King 1 was about redemption, and Simba learning what it means to be a king. Lion King 2 was about love overcoming hate, and learning to put aside the wounds of the past. Yes, superficially both movies were about a lion cub and about them growing up, but the themes and symbolism were completely different. I'll concede you're right that Lion King 2 was lower budget and the team didn't have the manpower to give the same production values with the animation. But your claim that this movie doesn't have a reason to exist, or that it doesn't have a thematic identity distinct from the first movie, is just totally wrong.
It may not be created with the same quality as the first film, but I actually love this movie more than the first. I definetly wouldn't call it a bad sequel (especially considering how low that clearly gets with Disney lol😅). I think it's absolutely great. The story is legitimately interesting and you can see there's heart put into it and the actors performances. Zira's performance was also menacing even if her character wasn't fleshed out. I was actually more interested and attached to Kovu and Kiara, than I was with characters in the first movie. Obviously nothing beats our attachment to Simba himself, but Kovu is a close second for me.
I don't care if it's not the same it still has a good story I love the lion king one and two just the same I know alot of people that do to You offended me ps scar wanted to be king because scar liked sarabi scar just chose zira to be the mother of his heir because she was a strong lion and sarabi did not to be
When you think about it, Simba's Pride is literally just Pocahontas, just with lions. Think about it: You've got the two separate clans/prides who are at each others throats. The leaders of each clan/pride despise each other. The daughter of one clan falls in love with the son of the other. In the end, the two clans have a war. The main character, daughter of the clan, jumps in and shows the father that violence is not the answer, the clans join as one. However, despite that, I still do quite enjoy this film.
I think it would be good if someone made a platonic version of that Romeo and Juliet story. Basically, two people from warring clans become friends and attempt to stop violence between the groups, their violent counterparts also playing a role.
I just saw this movie with my mom. I was skeptical but I actually loved it. It was a worthy sequel. I loved seeing Simba notice that he had similar struggles as daughter Kiara. Kiara was having fun. Simba also liked being free and not being king liked but was forced upon responsibility but Simba is a better father than Mufasa and as because Simba realizes he just wants his daughter to be happy even if that means she doesn’t want to be Queen.
Okay….. I’m at 3:55 and this is the worst critique of this film I’ve seen. The narrator at 0:17 even said the live action remake was “an amazing watch as well” They lost me there but I’m gonna keep going on to see if it get better I’m not hopeful
I tend to go easier on the animation (besides the aforementioned conspicuous looking fire) since it was one of the first DTV sequels that they seemed to be TRYING to make look at least halfway like the original theatrical. The Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast sequels basically looked like feature length TV episodes, while I can at least appreciate them trying to maintain some of the cinematic details and texturing in TLK 2, even if it's still kinda lacking. Later sequels would improve in that regard at least. Your theory about Timon and Pumbaa doing double time for Zazu interests me though. Really I didn't think his replacement VA was that bad (he filled in for him in the series too) but it would make sense if it was the reason he was demoted a little. While the duo are characteristically buffoons to some level, Zazu worked better in the 'incompetent baby sitter' role since he was powerless for reasons beyond his control (small bird vs lions) and he was more a stuffy sarcastic straight man to their mischief, while Timon and Pumbaa just have to be idiots who barely even try. Heck, they fail three times, they could have just had Simba rotate between all three characters when one fails, would have made him seem less dumb at least. I do think they stretch the duo's shtick in this film a bit too much, not as many good one liners. I don't really mind Rafiki getting upped in the comic relief angle though, I feel they maintained his wisdom better despite making him more proactively silly, which in fairness was still a sort of vibe we got from him in the first film.
I actually think that this is the best Disney sequel.
There is, however, one thing that really bothers me and that is that they insisted on connecting the antagonists to Scar. (This has been the problem in many sequels.)
Since Zira was never shown in the first movie and there were no lionesses who liked Scar, Zira and her pride should have been some unknown lions who decided to take over the Pridelands. Connection to Scar seems forced and unconvincing.
You sort just have to think why she wasn’t there and then everything makes sense For example Zira could have left to take care of her children because Kovu and vitani might have been babies at that time so she left to find them a place to live when returning finds out what happened and attacks simba
@@dotty5023 Well, yes, but as I said it is always forced. If there was no connection to Scar, everything would be perfectly fine.
It also comes of as a fan fiction
Exactly, we don't even know about Zira and Scar relationship.
@Izzy Kash "the connection was that she was a close follower to him and her son was hand chosen by scar because he was the only alfa out of the outlanders"
Zira was never mentioned in TLK1 and no lioness was shown to show sympathy for Scar. Therefore, her "loyalty" to Scar in TLK2 is forced.
Regarding Kovu, Scar isn't his father so it makes no sense for Scar to choose him to be the heir. Why would Scar even bother with this? Also, who is Kovu's father? It isn't Scar, so it means that there was another adult male lion in the Pridelands during Scar's reign. What happened to him? It all makes no sense.
On the other hand, if Zira's gang came from some other land and tried to take over the Pridelands, all these problems disappear.
There are 4 things I wish this movie did.
1. Show some flashbacks of Scar and Zira together, and when he chose Kovu to take up after him.
2. Another Simba & Nala duet.
3. Another Timon & Pumbaa song. Hell, even a song by Zazu would’ve been nice.
4. An actual one on one fight between Simba and Zira, during the final battle scene. With Simba eventually winning of course. Before Kiara and Kovu interrupt.
Agreed
Agree but I would also like if they showed how Kiara becomes more then just a princess/future queen and more seen of Kovu expressing how he feels since he loves Kiara but he also cares about his family
Considering the they added a Zazu song to the original, I have to disagree with your 3rd point because it just felt off compared to the rest of the movie's songs. Also, you do realize that Zira is the same age as Simba and Nala, right? Zira was not involved with Scar romantically. She was just a follower/worshipper and Kovu is not Scar's blood-related son. Scar just picked him as his successor.
Erin McCloud Either way, I still wish they had shown flashbacks of Scar interacting with The Outlanders.
SuperSonicWarrior93 same
DING DONG, YOUR OPINION IS WRONG
( But I respect it )
I like how you respect his opinion
@@mondemwimba2484 And I like how you like that he respects his opinion.
I actually liked this movie, maybe even more so than the original because of its powerful message.
Who even thinks this movie is on par with the original, everybody knows the original TLK is infinitely better than its straight to DVD sequel
Of course this movie isn't on par with the original!! But it's remarkable better than virtually any other Disney sequels.
The lion king movie 2 is one of my favourite I LOVE IT SO MUCH
I never understand why there are so many haters about it!!!
The female protagonist and female villain with a believable but exciting romance.
Its amazing, what is there not to fall in love with??!!!
Alpha Nightwolf
Uhm... It’s not hard to explain why there are so many people that hate this movie (including myself): The animation is horrible, the characters are terrible (they even ruined the characters from the original movie like Simba, Nala, Rafiki, Timon & Pumbaa), the songs are just annoying (including the background music), Kovu and Kiara are *one of the worst movie couples of all time* 🤮, the villain is weird ( literally *NOTHING* compared to Scar), the story is boring and the only “good“ thing in this movie is probably the message and even that is definitely not as powerful or beautiful than in the original movie! All in all the movie is definitely NOT a worthy sequel to the brilliant movie “The Lion King“ (that is by the way one of the greatest movies of all time) and is a good example that a masterpiece like the Lion King definitely shouldn’t have a sequel! 😉
@@ar_lkac7237
Yes, go on. I have no problem with ur opinions but pls chill.
Its hard to make a movie and i love it, even if u dont, so each to their own
Alpha Nightwolf
Well you said that you don’t know why there‘re so many haters & that you don’t know what’s there not to fall in love with and I explained it! 🤷♀️ I accept your opinion too and honestly I don’t care!
@@ar_lkac7237 sure.
can't agree out of all the direct to video sequels Lion King 2 is easily one of if not the best sequels
This is why I like The Lion King 1 1/2.
It would have been so much better if they didn't cut half of the budget.
Nintendo Fanatic 2001 I mean, the whole point of the sequel is to make it cheap, fast and profit on VHS tapes. I
@@pony7653 To be fair i'm not a hater of the movie but most Direct to dvd sequels arre better to skip.
Heck years later Ralph 2 and Frozen II get to be relesed in theaters
Looking at An Extremely Goofy movie vs. the first film, it seems both movies were handled with care. TLK2, not so much
@@NintendoFanatic2001 Frozen II had a better story than Frozen though. Ralph Breaks the Internet is a fun guilty pleasure.
This is my favorite Disney sequel. I was excited to get a "female Simba" and a "younger Scar" I love the Romeo and Juliet story in this movie.
SAME OMG YESSSS
SpeedyakaLeah IKR
200 likes completed im 200th liker!
@MothiiCloudii how?
@MothiiCloudii Kovu and Simba would be cousins and Kiara would be his niece but Kovu is another males so other than from Scar how would they be related?
Something that bothered me when I rediscovered this film was Kovu's relationship with his siblings; it felt underdeveloped and I didn't know why. That was until I read the film's script online and confirmed a theory; Kovu doesn't share a word of dialogue with either Nuka or Vitani, nor does he reference them to other characters.
Well, that's not wholly true, there are three instances that count; he growls back at Vitani when she ask to fight as cubs, he tries to defend Nuka when Zira gets on his case for not watching Kovu, and he tries to dig his brother out of the logs after the chase with Simba, but that's all. Otherwise we have no idea how he feels about them; how did he respond to Nuka's resentment? Does he get along with his sister? What shared interests do they have?
@Lance Keith
This is something that Jambareeqi said in his review that would have made for a less confusing story. What if centuries ago, there was a pride that used to live at Pride Rock but their leader decides "Let's move, let's take over other rocks." Centuries past and a descendant of that pride decides "You know what, we need to take back Pride Rock, it belongs to us."
It's a different idea that could have been used to follow the same story without creating a vast of plotholes. The only reason they tried to force Scar in this second story is just for fan service. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not true he played with vitani and comfort his brother while he was at his last breath
@@mydude8731 he's actually giving good points whereas all you do is telling what happens in the plot. Don't try it if you don't stand a single chance against him.
Also Vitani redemption is rushed. She never started a redemption arc once. She just got off because of Kiara's peace speech. Why would she care about the peace if she wants to be loyal to her mother?
OF course you can't compare a straigh-to-DVD with a Hollywood budget masterpiece
@TheGreenEyedMonsterTruck “Money”
In my opinion i prefer the Lion King as a standalone film because its such a masterpeice.
It wasn’t even straight to DVD. Technically it was originally on VHS tape which is a very crappy format but it also masks the weak animation. Watching the movie on DVD and especially the Blu-Ray rerelease is jarring because I finally see every animation flaw in HD glory where the old VHS low resolution hid the movie’s flaws. Kid me who grew up with the tapes actually thought the sequel looked better and it does if you watch them on an old TV using VHS.
I really like this sequel. I think it’s really underrated. But it’s not as good as the original. But one of the best Disney sequels.
I like the 1st lion king the best of all of the lion king movies simba and nala is one of my favorite disney couples but i dont like it when simba is grumpy in lion king 2 thats why i like the 1st lion king way better than 2nd one the 1st lion king was my one of my favorite childhood memories
@@theangrybirdsfanandstarwar1098 He's a protective father like can you blame him his dad died in a wild beast stampede
@@KDA_in_yah_area i felt very bad when scar blamed simba for his fathers death
Exactly I think an overrated opinion is the second is better then original. I like it a lot the second but nothing gets the original lion king out of my heart
Villains were very good tho. And if there saying Zira is better then scar, I’m about to die lol
I actually really liked the lion king 2 so much .It has really nice songs too like "he lives in you" and "we are one" and "Not one of us"
Mucydonia He Lives in You is not originally from this movie, though.
"Not one of us" is honestly amazing. I LOVED it. It's just so catchy
@@pony7653 what?
@@turkhamburgaren8331 The song was origianlly featured in the musical theatre adaption back when it was featured in theaters around the world.
Fuck that. The original is better
I can find enough reason why lion king 2 is bad, but still like it, maybe even more than the original.
Does anyone feel the same? Or am I mentally unstable??
I liked it aswell
I always vastly preferred the second over the first, mainly because I fucking love Kovu and Kiara.
Bopsop me too! I quite like this movie. Of course I like both the first and second movie, equally in fact, but I love this movie.
I love the songs in it.
Still prefer the first movie.
Simba in this whole movie has PTSD. Trust me, he does
And for good reason
Like having your father die in a wildebeest stampede because of your uncle is traumatic on its own
Yes. I noticed too. All three movies show signs. There is a flashback during the climax of the original movie. There are nightmares in both sequals. In the second movie, there is a full blown dream sequence after Simba let's Kovu into his pride. In the 1 1/2 movie, Simba has insomnia as a cub and keeps Timon awake too. He mentions nightmares.
Even though Simba is a jerk in the sequel he is forgiven because he is a fictional lion with PTSD.
@@princesspikachu3915 how exactly is he a jerk in the sequel lol
They probably mad he exiled kovu@@itookashittoday1146
Sorry, but almost all of what you said can be explained by "it was a low budget direct to VHS flick".
That's like comparing the quality of Sharknado to Jaws.
In fact, I'm pretty impressed at how much they managed to achieve as a low budget direct to VHS flick.
Lion king 2 is great even when you compare it with the original
Music from this movie is fucking great (My lullaby, Not one of us, We are one)
Stop Swearing.
Reno Neil. boo hoo welcome to the internet bitch
It also repeats the we are won they always repeat the sound track over and over
@@evezoey Yeah the background music is very repetitive. It’s like a game soundtrack on an endless loop. There only seems to be maybe 3 different musical score’s used when there isn’t singing. There’s this “intense” track that sounds like a watered down version of “To Die For”, a score version of “We are One” that plays constantly. And a score version of “Love Will Find A Way”. Oddly enough I actually like “Love Will Find A Way” more than “Can You Feel The Love Tonight”.
DECEPTIAN! lol Cringe
1994's Lion king will always be disneys best movie. No questions asked.
I dont care what anyone says. Simbas pride will always be disneys best sequel. End of story
There were like 3 disney movies in 1994
Damn the amount of close-mindedness is real
Also the lion gaurd is also cool
I didn’t even know this movie existed until I saw it on demand like 2 years ago lol
wow thats a way to accpet criticism you fucking braindead
Bruh for the budget they had? The animation was pretty damn good
Image if they had a bigger budget than the first
@• DrawingWithVelvet • Yes.
@MothiiCloudii haha yes
@MothiiCloudii home sweeet alabama
I love the lion king 2 so much but I wont come at you :)
Congratulations you’re a furry
Heeshant Beharee What the heck do you mean??
@@heeshantbeharee9229 with a name like Heeshant makes sense why you’re so aggressive
@@creamfennec1988
I think he said that because a lot of furries liked this movie…for some reason. Regardless, anybody can appreciate this movie, doesn’t automatically make you a furry.
same
This film is rather different from the original. Wen you made your statements about what they had in common you were describing most Disney films. Also they had a smaller budget so they couldn’t do amazing animation. I love this film and there’s nothing wrong with it. You can have your opinion but this is just mine.
Actually no, you do get a huge backstory on Zira if you actually looked into it.
Looked it on the internet from a theory that was created by a fan? No, I don't think so. Did the movie mentioned something about her backstory? A little.
@@yoboibeerus1387 but it still mentioned it, a little
@@tsarmikislav938 so? Lol
I forgot about this comment, please forgive me aaaaa
they should make the next movie a prequel about scar and mufasa as kids
omggg did you predict the future cause they're making one right now as a live action I think
Oof. What about now man?
@@-s.raaa-5159 ewwwww
@@candycute2731 ?
@@-s.raaa-5159 i wish they could use original lion king cartoon design for the prequel
I completely disagree with you on zira. For me she wipes the floor with scar as a villain. Her motivations made sense. She was close and loyal to scar and she would do anything to avenge him and continue his legacy. She was also far more menacing than him. Where scar came off as a man child zira came off as a genuine psychopath. She was also not as cowardly as him.
Zira is totally unlikeable and that’s what makes her a good villain. She used her family to get what she wanted. She filled their heads with lies. Her emotional neglect as a parent lead to Nuka’s death. After Nuka died trying to earn the love of his mommy dearest (and for personal glory too) Zira blames Kovu for killing “your own brother!!!!” She also threatens Vitani with death when Vitani says “enough”. Zira also would rather die by suicide than accept help and Simba’s forgiveness. The only villain more despised and evil would be Judge Frollo from the original Hunchback movie. And that’s because he does the same but worse.
But the point is that it's unexplained the reason why she decided to be loyal to Scar nor what she did actually admired about him, considering that everyone in the original inc. the hyenas was tiring about his poor leadership. Zira doesn't exist until the sequel was written.
Scar’s motivation still makes sense. He was a selfish prick who wanted the throne, simple as that. The books try to go into further depth with scar and Mufasa’s relationship, but as far as the movies go, that’s it. Zira was a bit more sympathetic, but when it comes to motive comprehension, both characters are on the same playing field. Also, Jeremy irons gave scar a complex personality, he wasn’t always angry or plotting. Contrast that with zira, who is very one dimensional and whose VA went way over the top with annoying intensity.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560
Exactly, it’s poor writing
@@josephrusso4828 I do agree scar is a good villain. I just prefer Zira
I actually have to say that I feel like lion king 2 was better than the first. Obviously the first is a masterpiece but I loved the themes of the second one much more. Fighting against your destiny (kovu and simba (to a degree), wanting to be loved for who you are not because you are a princess (kiara) and maybe in kovus case even parental abuse because zira literally turns him into scar 2.0. I also loved the use of Symbolism mostly in the third act if I remember right, like kovu seeing scar when he sees his reflection or kiara missing half of herself when she is seperated from Kovu. Kids won't get these small things but as an adult you really apreciate those things. One of the best scenes that really nailed the theme of going against your destiny in my opinion is when Simba looks up to the sky to ask his father what he would do when he is faced with the choice to either accept the other lions (which is the opposite of what Mufasa did with the Hyenas) or to reject them again. After looking up he looks down and smiles realising what he has to do. I Just loved that, same with kovu who goes against his destiny by not becoming scar even tho he was trained to be him and even looks like him in the end, he chooses love instead of hate which consumed Scar and Zira and let to the deaths of both. I hope you got a new perspective on the movie after reading this massive text block.
You can say you LIKE it better than the original, but to say it's objectively better is incorrect just by looking at the difference in quality. The plot holes, the huge animation downgrade and numerous blunders, the off character models, questionable character choices etc. make it worse than the original. All the things you mentioned; were bias and only things that you enjoyed rather than looking at it objectively. The original had many symbolic moments too, you might've just missed them.
Not to mention, the orginal has: won many awards, is the highest grossing hand drawn animated film of all time, holds the world record for VHS sales, has a Broadway show based on it, a live action movie which ranks number 8 on the highest grossing films of ALL TIME, documentaries, a TV spin off series, Disneyland festivals, countless merchandising, it's critically ranked higher than the sequel on every platform etc. The original Lion King has the longevity and quality that the sequel can never even dream to achieve or reach.
Firstly let's point out those things
The original had a much better pacing and better side characters. In the second movie nothing really important happens until the last act, the side characters are pointless and do very little to contribute to the plot and the outsiders have an half-baked redemption considering they wanted to be loyal to Scar but then they stopped after Kiara said "We Are One". In the original we see Simba growing up throughout the movie and learning a lot of lessons. The story is also able to give you a lot of emotion and impact: in one moment Scar successfully kills Mufasa and takes over the throne starting his tyrannical rule, a major character dies onscreen and the villain wins the first round while the main hero was forced to exile. Timon and Pumbaa makes the story working very well, they are not only comic relievers but also wise characters that teach the main hero how to forget about the past and also share a lot of things with him (such as being pained by the past and watching stars), also Pumbaa has a lot of relatability. They start off as "doing nothing" buffons to badass friends who helps you against the villain. This is character development...
The original was a story who deals with themes of life, grief about the past, family relations, responsability and guilt.
Kiara isn't much of a deep or relatable character like her father...
Her father in the first was a spoiled brat but that's because he's just a child being a child, after that he learned from his mistakes. His vision about the world also changes after his experience in the gorge and developes the character throughout the story. Simba is someone who is traumatized about his father's loss and can't get rid of those memories, he also refuse to take his responsabilities because he thinks no one needs him as he's "guilty" of his father's death until he learns that his responsability is still inside him and that whatever happens in the past he just learns from it and must just move on from it. He gets his proper character arc. He also had clear goals.
Kiara never had any significant flaws nor she had something to learn. She's not destestable as character but she has just no much relatability and development in comparison to her father nor does she express any feelings and desires like the latter did.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 Also, Kiara is basically like: "Daddy, you're lying about Kovu attacking you! I've know him for a whole day and a half, he'd NEVER do that!"
"Kiara, he's using you to get to me." (objectively true at first)
"BuT daDdy, I lOvE hiM!"
*Runs away to be with the one who was just accused of brutally trying to kill her own father.*
She completely absolves Kovu of all blame for the ambush without even asking for an explanation. Fucking bimbo.
same, i do like the lion king 2 better :> i know the animation isnt as good, or arguable the music, but the plot is so much more interesting to me. also i really like the romance, its one of my favourite romances in any disney film!
@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 give me a break, lion king is not a perfect movie no movie is (I'm looking at you jurassic park 1993)
As a kid I preferred this film to the original and even to this day I believe it's one of the rare sequels that is just as good if not better than the original. Not that the 1st isn't a masterpiece. I've never understood the hate for this film and some of the songs are among the best of Disney.
I don't care what anybody say, this will forever be my favorite movie
Agreed I love the lion King 2 so much
If you want a bad Sequel Shrek the Third is that movie
Jared Bowden
*Return of Jafar, Pocahontas II, Cinderella II, Fox and the Hound 2, Tarzan and Jane, Hunchback of Notre Dame II, Mulan II, Atlantis Milo’s Return, Brother Bear II, Beauty and the Beast Enchanted Christmas, Belle’s Magical World and Stitch has a Glitch have entered the chat*
The Awesone Bat My friend was forced to watch Foodfight.
Jared Bowden No, SPACE CHIMPS 2
MinaMinas CTFTLKHTTYDFan99 That sounds like shit.
@@theawesomebat1244 hated all of those sequel and also all of those sequel are so disrespectful to their original first movie except Lion King 2 Lion King 1 1/2 Cinderella 3 and aladdin 3 the king of thieves those are the only ones that I like
It's my favourite my movie.
Same
I LOVE IT
It isn't the story of the Lion King though. This is a story about a lioness coming into her own, yes, but the biggest message of the film was very different from the lion king. In the lion king, Simba has to fight the hyenas and Scar, and kill in order to win his pride and his woman. A very typical fight to get a reward, and win reward. Kiara, however, learns to be herself while becoming a leader, and the movie illustrates that violence isn't always necessary, that people can come together and get past their differences, and that "evil" is not necessarily black and white, and is more about how a person's situation can shape how they have to be, but that you can overcome the situation of your birth
I actually like the message of lion king 2 more than the first, it just wasn't fleshed out well
Maybe but Outsiders redemption is forced. The "not use violence" trope doesn't work here. One speech doesn't stop a war
The lion king two was a masterpiece tf
In my opinion:
Lion king: 10/10
Lion king 2: 8/10
Lion king 3: 6/10
I love how both movies were made after Shakespeare plays. The first has a MacBeth sort of story and the second has a Romeo and Juliet vibe to it.
More like Hamlet dude. Not Macbeth.
Hamlet not macbeth
At least it had an original story and wasn’t a carbon copy of another country’s movie
The Lion King's story was hardly a "carbon copy" of Kimba. I don't doubt that Disney took plenty of influence from Kimba, but the overall story beats and characterization differ to varying degrees.
Lance Keith no. Only Zira and her children were banished. In The Lion Guard, we see Zira’s pride but with less lionesses. It’s clear that Zira planned her revenge plot early on and tried to recruit as many lionesses to her side as possible, alongside Kovu’s plan(with Kiara).
Lance Keith I think Kovu(along with Vitani) were born before Scar’s death because Scar chose Kovu to be his heir. Maybe they were both adopted when Zira went ‘far enough’ looking for food (Scar said Sarabi didn’t look ‘hard enough’)
Lance Keith well, Nala may have got pregnant during the love song, and lionesses are pregnant for around 100 days if my mind serves me right. Let’s just assume Kovu was found 1 day before Simba returned or something. In real life mothers are separated from their pride for a few weeks after cubs are born(to raise them) so it could somehow explain why she didn’t appear in the battle in the end of lion king 1994
Japan first stole Bambi from Disney so I am ok with Disney stealing Kimba from Japan.
It was the third one that was bad like it ruined the first movie.
SuperTN A I don’t think it’s that bad
unpopular opinion: i thought kiara was an incredibly boring protagonist, with a bland personality despite supposedly being all about "i am more than my duties towards my kingdom", she has no development and she makes many outright dumb decisions. it's a fine movie, but upon rewatching it, i realized just how unlikeable and selfish kiara is
She's not unlikable but yes, she isn't as developed or relatable as Simba.
Simba’s story was actually interesting and we were so invested in it, making us wonder what will happen next and we don’t get that same feeling with Kiara her story isn’t interesting at all, I feel like they shouldn’t have made a sequel, to me it was completely unnecessary tbh
What I disliked about her was that nice she met Kovu, she was basically like a lioness in heat incapable of thinking reasonably. Her dad came back with severe injuries and she goes around calling him "You will never be Mufasa" and defends someone who originally only approached her to get a chance at killing Simba. Plus, Kovu tried to pounce on Simba once but got interrupted by Kiara. She barely knew Kovu but she went against Simba who raised her since childhood. Plus, the fact that Simba's overprotectiveness wasn't wrong if we consider the three times Kiara got close to death. Once, with the crocodiles and Kovu help her. Second, with Zira about to pounce on her but Simba was around, third with her disobeying Simba and nearly dying during her first hunt. Was Simba really overprotective? From my point of view, Kiara would not have reached adulthood if Simba wasn't overprotective. She was gullible, too naive, too kind and forgiving and too lovestruck that she even seemed rude. She didn't seem to think with her brains but with her heart. Good thing a pride is ruled by a lion and not a lioness. If she ruled instead of Kovu, the pride would be killed by enemies.
This movie will have some flaw than another, but I really enjoyed it a lot as a child and I would say that it is almost as good as the first, and the third movie even if it is not as good as the previous two is enjoyable
This was a horrible explanation to an opinion. For a budget cut in half, the animation was wonderful. It's a children's movie anyways. The kids don't notice a difference. Only judgmental adults. Not to mention the differences you mentioned happen to EVERY sequel Disney has released. It's a pretty bad talking point if you didn't personally donate to production.
2. The fire in the 2ed felt more realistic. Idk what you're on, but as a child, it soiked more fear for me than the 1st movie. I sensed danger in the first movie. But In the 2ed the fire was the threat and moved so rapidly and violently I was actually scared for her.
Also. The first movie is based off hamelt. The 2ed is bases off Romeo and Juliet. Everything you mentioned that was similar is literally similar in EVERY DISNEY MOVIE, it had nothing to do with comparable plots. And the fight at the end of the 2ed brought PEACE. Not more devide. It had a better message for children, whom the movie was made for.
This was made by an extremely snobby person.
I am very excited to hear that Disney will be re-making the lion king 2: Simba's Pride into another live action movie! I am very curious and interested in knowing what Kovu, Kiara, Nuka, Vitani, and Zira will look like. I also think they should throw some flashbacks of Scar and Zira choosing Kovu to take his place. They should have memories of Mufasa and Scar in the movie telling about their childhood!
I didn't even realize this was a thing
Yeah 1998! Give it a watch and see how you think it compares!
Me too
Same,until I saw it.
The Lion king 2 is Not A Bad OR Just Alright Sequel, it's A Great/worthy Sequel, it's A Solid Sequel, it Deserves More Rotten Tomatoes OR Stars.
I understand why would pple see the second movie as unfaithful to the first movie but personally i saw the second before the first anf it's for me so much better than the first one
The sequel is just...BAD, that's all I can say
Agree
actually as a kid i watched lion king 2 before lion king 1 so because of that i didnt really see flaws with the sequel
nowadays i know that it has flaws but it wont stop me from loving it
People who say this are the worst people ever, HOW DARE YOU SAY IT ABOUT MY FAVOURITE MOVIE EVER
@Rose Skywalker this movie can't be haten, even if it's an opinion
Turned the video off as soon as he said the live action was an "Amazing Watch" 🤦🏿
It's one of the greatest sequels ever made.
Doing dong your opinion is wrong......just kidding I like it even though it has some mistakes and the plot is ok..... I guess but I respect your opinion trust me I used to hate this show too because I was messed up back then but I love it now
Id disagree about this being a bad sequel overall, yes its got some moments that made no sense at all, like for instance zira and kofu, and what realation they had to scar, how was kofu chosen by him, you would have to dig into the deep lore of lion king, i think they mention her in lion king 1, butbifmts breif and you never see her, the reason this movie is a great sequel, is it shows how somba habdles being king, how far he has matured and the pressures of running a kingdom, and how its not as simple as he wanted to as a kid, it goes into really how far simba matured and is willing to listen and accept things
Feel like the sequel was so vague, years of training put aside because of kiara's speech, the hate suddenly, dissapears
I'm not even going to watch this I'm just going to say that this movie was very good...not as much as the first one but I still liked it😌
he's just jealous cuz Kovu is hoooot
Thanks i said the same thing. Dont need to watch it.
@@anaperfilfaculdade5054 he's an animal you weird mf
Simba is so dull as an Adult compared to Mufasa.
And the fact that he had a Daughter instead of a Son, its just not the same.
Lmfao yeah I'm sure the lion's genitals make a huge difference on the movie's quality.
@@SomeSilentSerpent this comment is a year old. you're late af
bro the gender of the lions dont matter...
I'm here after two years and am calling out the sexism. @@jessmjfan989
First statement I def agree with, him being such a helicopter does take the fun away
The second statemenr ain't relevant, lmfao. It's totally fine if he has a daughter, it'd be boring if it was son-after-son-after-son etc
The Lion King 2 is not bad! its beautiful!
Yeah dude, everything is subjective. Most sequels are not that good compared to the original. But for a sequel this was at least decent and far from "bad".
I am not saying you should learn to appreciate the little things because you have every right to have your own standard, but I don't need to share it.
So If TLK 2 is your standard for "bad", like if that is your mindset, I'm out. I find it superungrateful, disregarding, demanding... simply blind in a way to be honest.
Not interested in watching videos coming from that mindset. Unsubbed.
It's almost as if the point of the channel is to review and give an opinion. Brain Pilot wouldn't want subscribers who don't understand what a channel that reviews things does.
"Yeah dude, everything is subjective."
That's not quite true, there are plenty of things in storytelling that can be objectively measured and assessed.
"So If TLK 2 is your standard for "bad", like if that is your mindset, I'm out. I find it superungrateful, disregarding, demanding... simply blind in a way to be honest."
Or you could see it as an engagement for discussion. If it's objectively bad, then we can look at the elements of the film that make it that way, see how they outweigh or negate the good ones, and discuss how it could have been done better. If it's objectively good, we could talk about the elements that contribute to that quality, how it compares t the first film, minor stuff that could have been done better.
Bottom line, attributing an objective judgement to a film is not inherently a means to close discussion or be blind; positions can still be contested,and new perspectives/ideas can be generated.
Wow. I mean- i agree but you just basically bitched about opinions
Media can be objectively assessed. Your enjoyment is subjective.
Lion King two Simba’s pride is a lot better than lion King 2019
this was a gr8 movie
I feel like TLK2 is not necessarily a bad movie but a movie that does a poor job at explaining the origins of the antagonist factions and why Zira has the motivations to take down Simba and his pride. Especially when every lion at the end of the first movie had switched their allegiance to Simba. Not Scar.
*Cutely gives everyone some of the lion king two book for no reason*
Lion King 2
Prologue
“It’s time.” Rakifi said gently, walking out onto the gold-ish covered rock. My mother gently picked me up by my scruff and stood up from her previous position. Rafiki did some strange motions with his hands and my mother started walking towards him. I wondered what was happening as we padded closer to Rafiki. Rafiki hugged both my parents and put his hands below me. Suddenly my mother dropped me into his grasp and my fathers bird bowed. The wind was full of leaves today, I noted. Rafiki takes me to the edge of the rock where he stood before and lifted me up to the sky so all the animals below me could see.
The feathers blew past the animals and the animals all said their own unique noises. I smiled, not really knowing what was going on but delighted to be out of the den. Suddenly light shed on me from the sky and I moved my paws happily. I giggled and flicked my tail happily. The feathers blew past me and towards my parents. They drifted past my paws and I took it as an opportunity to slap them playfully. Rafiki lifted his head up and the animals all bowed, making their unique noises once again. I heard a grey wrinkly animal trumpet loudly and flinched back in surprise. Suddenly a flock of white birds flew over my parents, presumably frightened by those huge wrinkly animals.
Rafiki suddenly reached down with one hand and grabbed some red paint. He smeared it over my forehead and I looked at him, then my parents came over to me. I opened my mouth in joy and both my parents nuzzled me proudly. I didn’t know what I’d done right, but I knew I loved them. I loved them infinitely. Suddenly two of my fathers strange family members spoke up. The little creamy one spoke first and the hairless one responded. They continued having their own little conversation and suddenly the cream one let out a burp. They continued talking and Rafiki joined in, correcting them about something. I looked at my mother, confused. She blinked reassuringly back at me while both my fathers friends exclaimed loudly.
Chapter One
I bounced out of the den excitedly, stopping for a minute to catch my breath and flick my tail. I looked at the ground to see any bugs or anything new before looking down at the huge Savannah. “Wow!” I exclaimed loudly, flicking my tail once more and bouncing down the stone steps. “Woah!” My father ran up to me and grabbed my scruff before I could go any further. He lifted me up and stood back. He dropped me and I giggled. I tried to rush back to the den to maybe fool him into playing hide and seek but he put his paw in the way to stop me. “Where do you think you’re going in such a hurry?” He picked me up with his paw and I let out a small complaint. “Daddy! Let go!” I laughed while he put my beside his other foot. “Well, I just want you to be careful.” He said while a gorgeous orange and yellow butterfly flew towards us. I got up and chased it. “Rawr!” I tried to pounce on it but fell short by quite a lot.
He literally just said the lion king remake was good: 💀
This film is uninteresting. Toy Story 2 does way better.
In my wisdom, knowledge, and experience, lion king 2 is 👍 not bad
Have you tried lion guard it will tell you about Zira
And her pride
As someone who really liked the second movie, it is unfortunate and disappointing to see that you dislike it so much.
I respect u but personally I think that lion King 2 was good. But original is the best
Rafiki was silly in the first movie too, but I see where you're coming from in your critiques.
whaaaat, I love this movie!
If the do a second live action I hope they keep it like the original, no point changing a perfect movie, just polish the graphics to fit modern times. I was disappointed in the first one, got all hyped, watched it, don’t have that “I want to watch again” vibe
What about simba's nightmare of getting the same fate as his father
His voice felt so fucking Sarcastic and it just made me want mufasa as the main lion again
Yeah, the VA could’ve been more authentic
Yes this isn't as good as the original but its miles better than most other straight to DVD DVD sequels.
Unpopular opinion: LION KING 2 IS THE BEST LION KING N THATS JUST HOW IT IS.
Period
Nah lion king 2019 better than that shit,
Yes
Winter This movie was trash
Nah,worst disney movie
Not one of us is such a badass song
Sorry, I COMPLETELY disagree with your assessment that it was the same story.
Lion King 1 was an allegory for Hamlet. Lion King 2 was an allegory for Romeo and Juliet. Lion King 1 was about redemption, and Simba learning what it means to be a king. Lion King 2 was about love overcoming hate, and learning to put aside the wounds of the past. Yes, superficially both movies were about a lion cub and about them growing up, but the themes and symbolism were completely different.
I'll concede you're right that Lion King 2 was lower budget and the team didn't have the manpower to give the same production values with the animation. But your claim that this movie doesn't have a reason to exist, or that it doesn't have a thematic identity distinct from the first movie, is just totally wrong.
You're describing the themes of the movies which have nothing to do with good writing
Lion King 1/2 was about "rosencrants and guildernstern are dead" another of shakespeares'
Both movies were actually based on Shakespeare’s stories. The first movie was based on _Hamlet_ and the second one was based on _Romeo and Juliet_
Too many ads to enjoy this video
Theres only 4 ads, calm down.
I fucking love this movie
How dare you
It may not be created with the same quality as the first film, but I actually love this movie more than the first. I definetly wouldn't call it a bad sequel (especially considering how low that clearly gets with Disney lol😅). I think it's absolutely great. The story is legitimately interesting and you can see there's heart put into it and the actors performances. Zira's performance was also menacing even if her character wasn't fleshed out. I was actually more interested and attached to Kovu and Kiara, than I was with characters in the first movie. Obviously nothing beats our attachment to Simba himself, but Kovu is a close second for me.
I don't care if it's not the same it still has a good story I love the lion king one and two just the same I know alot of people that do to
You offended me ps scar wanted to be king because scar liked sarabi scar just chose zira to be the mother of his heir because she was a strong lion and sarabi did not to be
Get outta here with that.
Donald Duck: someone finally said it
I agree.
*thats all I literally have to say*
And after seeing kiara being mates with Kovu, I don’t like it XD
Agree to disagree
I thought I was the only one who didn't think highly of this film. The Lion King 1 & 3 are both fantastic films but 2 was rather underwhelming.
Wait there’s a lion king three
It's called The Lion King 1 1/2 in the United States..
This is so well spoken and lovely to listen to (same with other vids lol) 💖💓💕
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy them!
It’s not a bad sequel 😕
Meh I’m not convinced that this is bad
It's an alright movie but bad sequel
Yes, it's a bad sequel...but at least it gave us Zira and that suicide deleted scene
Nuka's best character
What there is 2 movies??? Just like little mermaid sequel didnt even now it existed.
Yeah! Go give it a watch!
When you think about it, Simba's Pride is literally just Pocahontas, just with lions.
Think about it: You've got the two separate clans/prides who are at each others throats.
The leaders of each clan/pride despise each other.
The daughter of one clan falls in love with the son of the other.
In the end, the two clans have a war.
The main character, daughter of the clan, jumps in and shows the father that violence is not the answer, the clans join as one.
However, despite that, I still do quite enjoy this film.
I like it more than Pocahontas.
@@krishnaobrien3394 Yeah, same.
It actually mix elements with the original film and 2 Disney movies (Pocahontas and Little Mermaid).
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 Oh, yeah! I suppose when you think about it it kind of does.
I think it would be good if someone made a platonic version of that Romeo and Juliet story. Basically, two people from warring clans become friends and attempt to stop violence between the groups, their violent counterparts also playing a role.
I just saw this movie with my mom. I was skeptical but I actually loved it. It was a worthy sequel. I loved seeing Simba notice that he had similar struggles as daughter Kiara. Kiara was having fun. Simba also liked being free and not being king liked but was forced upon responsibility but Simba is a better father than Mufasa and as because Simba realizes he just wants his daughter to be happy even if that means she doesn’t want to be Queen.
Okay….. I’m at 3:55 and this is the worst critique of this film I’ve seen.
The narrator at 0:17 even said the live action remake was “an amazing watch as well”
They lost me there but I’m gonna keep going on to see if it get better
I’m not hopeful
I don’t care what you have to say about this film this film is amazing
If you don't care, why watch it?😐
Could not disagree more
Timon and Pumba were ruined in the third movie more so because it was focused on them not the lions.
SuperTN A .......it’s THEIR movie. Did you not know that when you were watching it?
I tend to go easier on the animation (besides the aforementioned conspicuous looking fire) since it was one of the first DTV sequels that they seemed to be TRYING to make look at least halfway like the original theatrical. The Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast sequels basically looked like feature length TV episodes, while I can at least appreciate them trying to maintain some of the cinematic details and texturing in TLK 2, even if it's still kinda lacking. Later sequels would improve in that regard at least.
Your theory about Timon and Pumbaa doing double time for Zazu interests me though. Really I didn't think his replacement VA was that bad (he filled in for him in the series too) but it would make sense if it was the reason he was demoted a little. While the duo are characteristically buffoons to some level, Zazu worked better in the 'incompetent baby sitter' role since he was powerless for reasons beyond his control (small bird vs lions) and he was more a stuffy sarcastic straight man to their mischief, while Timon and Pumbaa just have to be idiots who barely even try. Heck, they fail three times, they could have just had Simba rotate between all three characters when one fails, would have made him seem less dumb at least.
I do think they stretch the duo's shtick in this film a bit too much, not as many good one liners. I don't really mind Rafiki getting upped in the comic relief angle though, I feel they maintained his wisdom better despite making him more proactively silly, which in fairness was still a sort of vibe we got from him in the first film.
It wasn't as good as the original because there wasn't enough *M U F A S A*
I will be fair that all of Disney’s direct to video sequels were garbage
"but it's as just history is just repeating itself"
*COUGH* Star Wars: The Force Awakens *COUGH* *COUGH*