Thanks bro, I've watch about 50 videos on spacers and hub-centric compatibility. You are the only one who has adequately explained the measurement process at all!
It is great you are using the rings! That really centers wheel perfectly on the hub. But...the rings are simply a guide to do that centering. No load is going onto the center hub. All the weight is born by the clamping force of the lug nuts/bolts onto the hub. When torqued to vehicle speck the wheel becomes part of the hub, if you will, and won't come loose. Stay cool.
Thanks, man! I appreciate the simplicity of your video and easy explanation. I can't stand posters who waste time with too much info and overly long introductions about irrelevant stuff. You're straight and to the point. Thanks!!
@@charleswimberly3751 if you get rings that are 0.1mm larger than the ID of the wheel, they will press in. That's what I'm doing and have done in the past. You can still get them out but it's no easy task. They will stay in the wheel
I've been looking at a set of alloy wheels for a Fiesta, and part of the deal is hub rings. There should be no need to measure the wheel or the hub- the hub has specs and so does the wheel, and the wheel retailer should have both the specs, and supply the appropriate rings.
Same here. Put 33s and wheels on my truck, and I was extra careful to center the new wheels on the lugs. First drive had terrible vibration between 70-80mph. Got the rings and took the vibration down to more what you’d expect out of an aggressive all terrain.
Trey I’ve never heard of these rings ever in my life... out of all the wheels I went through. Bought a lifted truck and sold the wheels of it, and the rings fell out.... I still didn’t know what they were like wtf, but only 3 came out lol Just ordered some motometal rings for my motos on 33s too
You are right only stocks rims are hub centric. All aftermarket wheels are bigger to fit many hubs. Most tire shops don't tell you nothing just to sell you what they got. You need those rings to keep rim from vibration transfer.
A lotta tire shops hate this because it kills their sales. In reality its not a bad idea if you know what your doing. We wouldnt be doing this unless we knew what we were doing.
I ran Method 305 NV on my jeep for 3 years, they are lug centric. I bashed dune for years and it was fine, the important thing that you balance lug centric wheels correctly and torque them correctly
Acorn tuner lugs are exactly designed for this very same issue, if you use the tuner lug's you will be fine and safe, however you are correct as some racetracks will not let your car on their track, unless you have a hub centric ring, as it should be.
so I took my car to Americas Tire and they installed aftermarket wheels on my GTI. I wasn't informed of the hub centric rings. So when I was doing a tire rotation I was quite surprised.
QuietHero quite surprised you they didn’t put rings in or there “were rings in?” Lol You finished your sentence like “suddenly out of nowhere, guess what happened...?” -end-
I switched out my rims to stock for a planned tow, went back outside to check and i had left the centric rings on😂 my stocks were about half a inch from the hub. Thankgod i was snooping thru some old receipts to remember i had bought these.
The load is not placed on the hub or the lug nuts, the load is held by the surface, with the clamping force being applied from the lug nuts. The point of a hub centric ring is so when you put the tire on, it is aligned perfectly center. That is all.
Sorry but you are wrong, alot of people are about this. The wheel is not supported by the hub. It is supported by the friction between the wheel, rotor, hub held in place by the torque on the lug nuts and lug bolts. Hubcentric rings do have a place though when using any wheel with a bigger hub bore than the stock size and should be used in centering the wheel as much as possible before the lugs bolts do the final centering.
I don't know much technical stuff about aftermarket rims and this video was extremely helpful!!! I determined my 2016 Kia Optima has Center Bore = 67.1 mm & the Vision Rims I bought = 73.1 mm... *** (1) First, what would be the correct Hub Rings to buy? Btw, I see a set online that is (73.1 to 66.6mm), so are these the correct ones? *** (2) Second, should I get plastic or metal? Thx So Much!!!
Hey did you ever figure it out cuz I’m buying these rims soon that have a 73.1 center bore and my cars center bore is 56.5 but I see 56.1 on Amazon and eBay is it jus a reference or is it exact and I have to find a specific center bore?
The hub is not supporting the wheel, the ring will just help mounting the wheel easier, there is a way to mount the tires without the ring if you take the time to do it. once u tighten the lug nut the wheel will centre itself.
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
So what if you install a spacers On which about 3 mm do i have to put a hubring under neath the spacer or infront ? Because i feel a vibration on my steering wheel?
Went to mount my new wheels I had with fresh tires installed today and found it was sloppy thank you. Went ahead and bought the rings they were only like 13 bucks
Don’t wheel lugs have a conical shape that allows each lug nut to be installed concentrically to each stud? Wouldn’t that in turn make the wheel concentric to the hub. Theoretically if those bolts are torqued down correctly that wheel shouldn’t be flexing.
True, but sometimes that isn't enough. I couldn't get rid of vibrations at higher speeds no matter how hard i tried to get them centered just with the nuts.
Great video, but you missed one thing flange, I believe there are 3 types I had to have custom rings made for my tundra an they asked, I didn't know what the heck they were talking about us wheel adapter explained it to me ,mine have standard flange, then there are two others, apparently it keeps the ring on the hub so it doesn't slip out .
Do you need those Hubcentric Rings for original wheels (2003 Chevrolet Cavalier). I received new front Hub-bearing assembly, and they came w/additional parts (Hubcentric rings). There are also 2 rubber rings, where do they go if you need to use those Hubcentric rings? Thank you for the film, I thought those additional parts are some king of seals for the bearing-hub assembly, now I know what it is.
Question: I brought universal 20in Mazzi 351 hype rims for my 2015 Genesis G80 Rwd. They came with plastic hub rings 72-67 which fits my car but still leaves a gap/movement. What do you recommend?
Jamel Vilmont Plastic is good enough for typical street driving. Aluminum is best for people who take their car to the track or bomb down roads in the canyons since aluminum rings won’t melt from high brake temperatures.
Question what if the aftermarket rim I brought the bore center is smaller 60.1 and my car factory is 67.1 ? What can I do to make it work I really like the way those rims looks on the car
I have a '96 corolla with a hub bore size of 54.1mm & installed Integra LS mesh wheels on & I believe the Integra wheels are 56.1mm (except the Integra Type R wheels) & yeah, I need 54.1mm to 56.1mm hub centric rings lol
I have a question ! Can i fit a tire who is smaller on a bigger center bore ? Example my center bore is 60.1mm and i want to fit a 54.1mm tire on it ! Is it possible or it’s always from a smaller center bore to a bigger hub ?
Not possible to fit a larger hub into a smaller wheel hole.. you can get spacers that have 57.1mm on hub side and 56.1mm on wheel side, but then you will also need longer bolts.
I used to agree. But I think it's a Honda thing. I just put Camaro wheels on my Honda Odyssey and if I tighten the lug nuts very carefully the wheels center perfectly. And rides perfectly smooth until you hit a violent bump. Then it feels damn near like a busted belt in the tire. It's not a vibration it's a wheel hop. Very violent. Then I have to loosen the lug nuts and retighten them to get the wheel to center again. So I just ordered hub rings. I have put aftermarket wheels or different wheels on many vehicles and have never encountered this until doing so on this Honda Odyssey.
The rings only centre the wheel on the hub, they are not load bearing at all, they can be plastic, steel or aluminium. Steel or aluminium is only relevant in track applications where high heat from the breaks may affect plastic rings.
I have a Honda crv and I recently purchased pro comp wheel and the hub diameter is 83 compares to stock crv wheels that are 64 I can not find any rings any suggestions and plus I need about 1/4 in spacer to clear the brakes. Any suggestions?
I don't think it's true in all cases. I don't just slam my tires on with an impact gun, I thread them on by hand and make sure that the lug nuts centered with respect to one another. Lug nuts are countersunk as well as the rim so to say it's just for clamping Force is not true. I imagine that there would be some force on the lug nuts if you're driving really hard around a track and you would need a nice tight fit on your hub but for everyday driving I'm not so sure that they're required.
depending on where you live in general conditions of the road aren't always 100% smooth anywhere so if you have a gap between the hub collar and your wheel is only attached by the lugs they could easily come loose and cause major issues. Should NEVER take any chances in these sort of situations, plus they are easy asf to install so i dont see why you wouldnt
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
so how do you calculate what hubcentric you need. all i saw was you measuring your hub at 64mm and your rims opening at 73mm but you never explain how to calculate those two to get what size hubcentric hub you need.
Its good that you're making people aware of hub centric rings and they are a wise buy. However you're information is a bit incorrect, the ring is for even placement only. Once the nuts are done up the ring is doing nothing. It does not carry any weight. Good vid, thanks!
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
Whoa I don’t think rim shop put these rings on the wheels when you buy them... should be mandatory instead of the customer going out to buy the rings.... Not sure if les Schwab or America’s tire adds them or not but mine deff don’t got em... Gotta order them for my 20x12
As it was explained to me, most wheel companies don't sell hub centric rings when people order their wheels because they don't know the specifics of every vehicle on the market. In order to mass produce wheels, they stick to a basic setup and set the back spacing and bolt patterns while keeping the bore diameter to around 70mm +. That is why custom ordered wheels are so expensive, because they have to make them specifically to the vehicles make and model which takes more time to make, hub bore, bolt pattern, back spacing, inner wheel drum size. That's why you have to order hub centric rings from other companies, because they have the tooling to mass produce 1 item, whether it be plastic or aluminum, to fit multiple vehicles on the market. Found this out when I ordered a set of wheels for my audi and they told me that I would need hub centric rings to prevent vibration.
Right now im running non hubcentrick spacers the way it actualy works is the spacer is pressed against the brake or drum so it doesnt move so no worries the hub is there to help you center your wheel When its not hub centric its called lug centric so if you tighten them slowly in a star pattern you wont have vibration or problems My set up is not hub centric so its lug centric having no issues for now
The ring and hub are never an exact fit so when you tighten the hub centric nuts there will be a bit of a gap when the rim is pulled into center. Now this gap may only be 0.something of a millimeter by its still a gap meaning the hub is no longer doing anything as far as holding the load of the tire. Never used rings..Never had issues.
Hubs do not carry any load. It's why many hub centric rings can be made from plastic. Hub centric rings are just used for centering the wheel to eliminate vibration. They are used like a dowel pin to center the wheel on the lugs; so the wheel is dead center when you torque them down. I use them with lug centric wheels as well.
He is using a high temp bearing grease. I personally use a thin layer of silver Permatex anti seize. It's stable to 1600 degrees and doesn't thin out. Good to have around, especially when doing brakes so that the pads don't stick to the sliders do to weather and corrosion.
If your lug nuts are conically shaped and you are tightening the lug nuts correctly you don’t need these. Tighten nuts in a star pattern gradually increasing torque until you get to correct lug nut torque. “Normally 3 stages” eg 35ft/lbs-75ft/lbs-115ft/lbs. Again you don’t need these things they are for people who don’t understand how the correct lug nuts and torque regiment work. And if you don’t get that then take your wheels to a professional to be mounted. If the professional insists that these are needed he’s not a professional. Let’s teach people how to do things the correct way!
Thanks bro, I've watch about 50 videos on spacers and hub-centric compatibility. You are the only one who has adequately explained the measurement process at all!
It is great you are using the rings! That really centers wheel perfectly on the hub. But...the rings are simply a guide to do that centering. No load is going onto the center hub. All the weight is born by the clamping force of the lug nuts/bolts onto the hub. When torqued to vehicle speck the wheel becomes part of the hub, if you will, and won't come loose. Stay cool.
Thanks, man! I appreciate the simplicity of your video and easy explanation. I can't stand posters who waste time with too much info and overly long introductions about irrelevant stuff. You're straight and to the point. Thanks!!
Rings don't carry any load, also they are supposed to be installed on the wheel first, not the hub.
on the wheel or hub just be sure to hit it with jb weld inside and out
This is prolly a retarded question but can I just gorilla glue the ring into the wheel
@@charleswimberly3751 if you get rings that are 0.1mm larger than the ID of the wheel, they will press in. That's what I'm doing and have done in the past. You can still get them out but it's no easy task. They will stay in the wheel
@@charleswimberly3751 if you will only every use the wheels on that car... sure. it won't really affect anything except you not losing the ring
I like content like this. This type of information can apply universally to everyone. Good stuff Sean
Thanks! Yes, I will be posting more non specific BMW stuff here and there. :-)
Bro you solved my vibration problem..
thank you
Perfect and simple explanation, first time I understood what this meant. Thank you.
I've been looking at a set of alloy wheels for a Fiesta, and part of the deal is hub rings. There should be no need to measure the wheel or the hub- the hub has specs and so does the wheel, and the wheel retailer should have both the specs, and supply the appropriate rings.
"should"...lol
Installed new set of wheels on my car and it was shaking like crazy at 120kmph.. Bought these and now it's smooth 🙂
Same here. Put 33s and wheels on my truck, and I was extra careful to center the new wheels on the lugs. First drive had terrible vibration between 70-80mph. Got the rings and took the vibration down to more what you’d expect out of an aggressive all terrain.
Trey I’ve never heard of these rings ever in my life... out of all the wheels I went through. Bought a lifted truck and sold the wheels of it, and the rings fell out.... I still didn’t know what they were like wtf, but only 3 came out lol
Just ordered some motometal rings for my motos on 33s too
Does this rings have sizes too?
Of course yes
You are right only stocks rims are hub centric. All aftermarket wheels are bigger to fit many hubs. Most tire shops don't tell you nothing just to sell you what they got. You need those rings to keep rim from vibration transfer.
A lotta tire shops hate this because it kills their sales. In reality its not a bad idea if you know what your doing. We wouldnt be doing this unless we knew what we were doing.
I ran Method 305 NV on my jeep for 3 years, they are lug centric. I bashed dune for years and it was fine, the important thing that you balance lug centric wheels correctly and torque them correctly
Acorn tuner lugs are exactly designed for this very same issue, if you use the tuner lug's you will be fine and safe, however you are correct as some racetracks will not let your car on their track, unless you have a hub centric ring, as it should be.
so I took my car to Americas Tire and they installed aftermarket wheels on my GTI. I wasn't informed of the hub centric rings. So when I was doing a tire rotation I was quite surprised.
QuietHero quite surprised you they didn’t put rings in or there “were rings in?” Lol
You finished your sentence like “suddenly out of nowhere, guess what happened...?”
-end-
EXCELLENT! And yes I shouted that. This was an excellent breakdown for all newbies.
I switched out my rims to stock for a planned tow, went back outside to check and i had left the centric rings on😂 my stocks were about half a inch from the hub. Thankgod i was snooping thru some old receipts to remember i had bought these.
if you're worried about the rings seizing on the hub, just put anti-seize on the inner and outer part of the ring before installing.
The load is not placed on the hub or the lug nuts, the load is held by the surface, with the clamping force being applied from the lug nuts. The point of a hub centric ring is so when you put the tire on, it is aligned perfectly center. That is all.
Is there any rings for a 54.1 center bore to 72.56?
So OD is the inside of the rim and ID is on the car right? I also have an 09 accord and don’t want to take my rims off to measure if I don’t have to
THANK YOUUUU !!! I knew that gut feeling i had was some unsafe shenanigans if i would have drove off !!
What happened to wheels having countersunk lug holes and the lug nuts being cone shaped to center the wheels?
Do you know if this can fix wheel wobbling ? I put bigger aftermarket wheels on my car and It started wobbling so I balanced them and still the same
will 5mm spacers still fit with these rings? or will the rings get in the way of the spacer?
if its off by a couple mm can we use wobble bolts?
How do I know if I need them? Method mr502 on a wrx sti for winter, stock bbs for summer
Great tips I also use anti seize on the adapters for the hub
cool!
Bro thank you I had no idea about these . Thought tire shops didn't know how to balance😆
Me too bro 😂😂😂
I’m in the same boat, I had brand new tires & everything! My steering got stiff asfk!! Thaxs to the amazing Lexus community I fix my issue
Hub centric over Lug centric✔️. Thank you very much!
Sorry but you are wrong, alot of people are about this. The wheel is not supported by the hub. It is supported by the friction between the wheel, rotor, hub held in place by the torque on the lug nuts and lug bolts.
Hubcentric rings do have a place though when using any wheel with a bigger hub bore than the stock size and should be used in centering the wheel as much as possible before the lugs bolts do the final centering.
Correct
I don't know much technical stuff about aftermarket rims and this video was extremely helpful!!! I determined my 2016 Kia Optima has Center Bore = 67.1 mm & the Vision Rims I bought = 73.1 mm...
*** (1) First, what would be the correct Hub Rings to buy? Btw, I see a set online that is (73.1 to 66.6mm), so are these the correct ones?
*** (2) Second, should I get plastic or metal? Thx So Much!!!
Hey did you ever figure it out cuz I’m buying these rims soon that have a 73.1 center bore and my cars center bore is 56.5 but I see 56.1 on Amazon and eBay is it jus a reference or is it exact and I have to find a specific center bore?
Very straight forward and useful information. Thank You!
The hub is not supporting the wheel, the ring will just help mounting the wheel easier, there is a way to mount the tires without the ring if you take the time to do it. once u tighten the lug nut the wheel will centre itself.
old school...these kids today
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
So what if you install a spacers
On which about 3 mm do i have to put a hubring under neath the spacer or infront ? Because i feel a vibration on my steering wheel?
Went to mount my new wheels I had with fresh tires installed today and found it was sloppy thank you. Went ahead and bought the rings they were only like 13 bucks
Don’t wheel lugs have a conical shape that allows each lug nut to be installed concentrically to each stud? Wouldn’t that in turn make the wheel concentric to the hub. Theoretically if those bolts are torqued down correctly that wheel shouldn’t be flexing.
Use anti seize instead of grease and i always sand the car or truck hub to get tge rust off before installing
the taper on the nut centers the bore of the wheel onto the lug
True, but sometimes that isn't enough. I couldn't get rid of vibrations at higher speeds no matter how hard i tried to get them centered just with the nuts.
Great video, but you missed one thing flange, I believe there are 3 types I had to have custom rings made for my tundra an they asked, I didn't know what the heck they were talking about us wheel adapter explained it to me ,mine have standard flange, then there are two others, apparently it keeps the ring on the hub so it doesn't slip out .
excellent demo. Thank you very much!
what's your take on plastic vs aluminum rings?
Do you need those Hubcentric Rings for original wheels (2003 Chevrolet Cavalier). I received new front Hub-bearing assembly, and they came w/additional parts (Hubcentric rings). There are also 2 rubber rings, where do they go if you need to use those Hubcentric rings? Thank you for the film, I thought those additional parts are some king of seals for the bearing-hub assembly, now I know what it is.
Question: I brought universal 20in Mazzi 351 hype rims for my 2015 Genesis G80 Rwd. They came with plastic hub rings 72-67 which fits my car but still leaves a gap/movement. What do you recommend?
Ok so you measure your hub then the wheel you want hub and then how do you find what size centric ring you need?
Exactly
Thank you for taking your time and sharing this information 👍
What's the name of the tool to measure it? Thanks
I can't find those at autozone or oreilleys why don't they carry them???
Thank you Sean for full explanation.
do you prefer the plastic or aluminum hub centric rings?
That's exactly what I'm looking after, I've just bought new rims and most people use the plastic one, but the aluminium looks a way more solid choice
Jamel Vilmont Plastic is good enough for typical street driving. Aluminum is best for people who take their car to the track or bomb down roads in the canyons since aluminum rings won’t melt from high brake temperatures.
i dont understand why they even make them in plastic
@@conqwiztadore2213 Because they are purely for alignment, serve no actual purpose once wheels are installed.
Best explanation ever, thanks a lot bro! Do you have any video about how to fix the offset?
Spacers
@@R-A-H_- can you use spacers and adapters at the same time?
@Dorifto Kun! can you use spacers and the hub centric ring at the same time?
You use metal or plastic hub centric rings?
Question what if the aftermarket rim I brought the bore center is smaller 60.1 and my car factory is 67.1 ? What can I do to make it work I really like the way those rims looks on the car
They make hub centric wheel spacers
I have a '96 corolla with a hub bore size of 54.1mm & installed Integra LS mesh wheels on & I believe the Integra wheels are 56.1mm (except the Integra Type R wheels) & yeah, I need 54.1mm to 56.1mm hub centric rings lol
Thank you Sean very simple
I have a question ! Can i fit a tire who is smaller on a bigger center bore ? Example my center bore is 60.1mm and i want to fit a 54.1mm tire on it ! Is it possible or it’s always from a smaller center bore to a bigger hub ?
Apply gorilla glue to both hubs and hold them in place for 15 seconds
They make hub centric spacers that can lower your center bore
I got a new set of wheels the other day and they came with plastic hubcentric rings. Are those safe to use or should I order metal ones instead?
From my understanding the metal ones are more for racing the plastic ones are just fine
I was wondering if a 56.1MM winter rim off a Subaru will fit on my VW GOLF with a 57.1. HUB BORE both rims are 5-100 BOLT size
Not possible to fit a larger hub into a smaller wheel hole.. you can get spacers that have 57.1mm on hub side and 56.1mm on wheel side, but then you will also need longer bolts.
Super helpful! Just ordered my first set of wheels for my '08 accord coupe, thanks for the info🙏
Extremely helpful! Thanks.
Do you know what size for Opel Zafira ?
Thank you ; )
I disagree. Hub rings help you put the wheel on and that's about it. The ring is not designed to carry any load.
@senescu bogdan just minimizes risk of damage if you do get slack in any of the lugs
Well the hub should distribute the load not the lug thats the point of it. With no center ring the hub does nothing but the lug
@@damienfrizzell9394 if you got slack in the lugs means they arent tight to begin with
@@TheAdam61904 yep and that can happen
I used to agree. But I think it's a Honda thing. I just put Camaro wheels on my Honda Odyssey and if I tighten the lug nuts very carefully the wheels center perfectly. And rides perfectly smooth until you hit a violent bump. Then it feels damn near like a busted belt in the tire. It's not a vibration it's a wheel hop. Very violent. Then I have to loosen the lug nuts and retighten them to get the wheel to center again. So I just ordered hub rings. I have put aftermarket wheels or different wheels on many vehicles and have never encountered this until doing so on this Honda Odyssey.
All size are same or different?
Perfect on explaining 👏
No. The weight is not supported by the hub. It’s there to center the rim.
If the rings are custom made is it better to make them by steel for more strength (or stainless steel) than aluminium?
The rings only centre the wheel on the hub, they are not load bearing at all, they can be plastic, steel or aluminium. Steel or aluminium is only relevant in track applications where high heat from the breaks may affect plastic rings.
I have a Honda crv and I recently purchased pro comp wheel and the hub diameter is 83 compares to stock crv wheels that are 64 I can not find any rings any suggestions and plus I need about 1/4 in spacer to clear the brakes. Any suggestions?
buy hubcentric spacers!
Do we need hub centric rings on all 4 wheels ? Or only front wheels
if the wheels are the same model you should use 4
Can the hub rings fit with wheel spacers?
no, you would need to buy wheel spacers that have a hubcentric ring machined into them
I don't think it's true in all cases. I don't just slam my tires on with an impact gun, I thread them on by hand and make sure that the lug nuts centered with respect to one another. Lug nuts are countersunk as well as the rim so to say it's just for clamping Force is not
true. I imagine that there would be some force on the lug nuts if you're driving really hard around a track and you would need a nice tight fit on your hub but for everyday driving I'm not so sure that they're required.
depending on where you live in general conditions of the road aren't always 100% smooth anywhere so if you have a gap between the hub collar and your wheel is only attached by the lugs they could easily come loose and cause major issues. Should NEVER take any chances in these sort of situations, plus they are easy asf to install so i dont see why you wouldnt
@@zilla9676 the lug nuts are what hold the wheel to the axle
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
so how do you calculate what hubcentric you need. all i saw was you measuring your hub at 64mm and your rims opening at 73mm but you never explain how to calculate those two to get what size hubcentric hub you need.
I’m sure you found your answer but just subtract
Its good that you're making people aware of hub centric rings and they are a wise buy. However you're information is a bit incorrect, the ring is for even placement only. Once the nuts are done up the ring is doing nothing. It does not carry any weight.
Good vid, thanks!
I think this is a Honda thing. The Honda Odyssey I got is the first Honda I've ever put aftermarket wheels on. It's a 2006 Honda Odyssey that is now wearing 2018 Camaro wheels. I take my sweet time by hand tightening every lug nut to get the wheel perfectly centered and then torque properly. The van will ride perfectly smooth until I hit a bump on the highway. And then it creates a wheel hop not a vibration. It's violent. The only fix is to loosen the lug nuts recenter and tighten down again. So I've got aluminum hub rings on the way. This is the first I've ever experienced something like this. I used to think these things were snake oil.
nice info. im a car guy and never knew about these
News flash, your not a car guy
Yoooooo this might solve my issue thanks
Well Done My Man
What if you have a 5 mm spacer, that make the hub kinda disappear
Should be using a hub centric spacer
Whoa I don’t think rim shop put these rings on the wheels when you buy them... should be mandatory instead of the customer going out to buy the rings....
Not sure if les Schwab or America’s tire adds them or not but mine deff don’t got em...
Gotta order them for my 20x12
As it was explained to me, most wheel companies don't sell hub centric rings when people order their wheels because they don't know the specifics of every vehicle on the market. In order to mass produce wheels, they stick to a basic setup and set the back spacing and bolt patterns while keeping the bore diameter to around 70mm +. That is why custom ordered wheels are so expensive, because they have to make them specifically to the vehicles make and model which takes more time to make, hub bore, bolt pattern, back spacing, inner wheel drum size. That's why you have to order hub centric rings from other companies, because they have the tooling to mass produce 1 item, whether it be plastic or aluminum, to fit multiple vehicles on the market. Found this out when I ordered a set of wheels for my audi and they told me that I would need hub centric rings to prevent vibration.
Hi, any effect if I add spacers says 7mm to an already installed hub centric ring?
I think you could as long as the spacer is hub centric as well. Don't count on me tho
Get a spacer hub centric to your car, then put the ring on the spacer.
Nice info, greatly appreciate it
My hub is 70.3 MM my wheels bore 70.5 its OK 0.2 différence ?
It makes a huge difference because I tried fitting 70.3mm bore wheels to my 70.5 hub and it didn’t fit, too small
Right now im running non hubcentrick spacers the way it actualy works is the spacer is pressed against the brake or drum so it doesnt move so no worries the hub is there to help you center your wheel
When its not hub centric its called lug centric so if you tighten them slowly in a star pattern you wont have vibration or problems
My set up is not hub centric so its lug centric having no issues for now
The ring and hub are never an exact fit so when you tighten the hub centric nuts there will be a bit of a gap when the rim is pulled into center. Now this gap may only be 0.something of a millimeter by its still a gap meaning the hub is no longer doing anything as far as holding the load of the tire. Never used rings..Never had issues.
True
Any solution for hub one rim smaller than hub on car ?
A spacer would be the solution i see
What was the tool u used to measure
Digital caliper
Good stuff my guy.
Hey brother do I put them On all 4 wheels or just front 2
So what if my rim hub is smaller than my car hub?
Get the wheel hub machined to the right size
very informative… thank you…
OMG!!! THANKS BRO!!
Damm scares me just to get me aftermarket. I dont feel like putting hub rings.
Anyone here knows where to get 66.6 to 70.3 rings?
Thank you soooooooo much !!!
Do you need to do car alignment after installing these rings???
Nope. Alignment should be fine.
GreAT Info! 🤘🏽👍🏽
$2400 of invoices
A rotor, caliper, outter tie rod, brakes $900 I found my SOLUTION THANKS!
Hubs do not carry any load. It's why many hub centric rings can be made from plastic. Hub centric rings are just used for centering the wheel to eliminate vibration. They are used like a dowel pin to center the wheel on the lugs; so the wheel is dead center when you torque them down. I use them with lug centric wheels as well.
What kind of grease?
He is using a high temp bearing grease. I personally use a thin layer of silver Permatex anti seize. It's stable to 1600 degrees and doesn't thin out. Good to have around, especially when doing brakes so that the pads don't stick to the sliders do to weather and corrosion.
Informartive
Thank you
If your lug nuts are conically shaped and you are tightening the lug nuts correctly you don’t need these. Tighten nuts in a star pattern gradually increasing torque until you get to correct lug nut torque. “Normally 3 stages” eg 35ft/lbs-75ft/lbs-115ft/lbs. Again you don’t need these things they are for people who don’t understand how the correct lug nuts and torque regiment work. And if you don’t get that then take your wheels to a professional to be mounted. If the professional insists that these are needed he’s not a professional. Let’s teach people how to do things the correct way!
Gawd dam I’ve been rolling wrong all my life
Thanks a lot