Minnesota Vikings valued quality over quantity in the NFL Draft
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Minnesota Vikings value quality over quantity in the NFL Draft; Comparing what the Vikings did compared to the rest of NFC North; Evaluating the Vikings Day 3 picks; Vikings UDFA picks and more on Purple Daily on Draft.
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Everyone is sleeping on B Flo and his new chess pieces.
I have no problem with the trades on draft day 1 we got the #1 and #2 players I wanted in this draft!! SKOL!
i agree with first who know if stay put and denver some how made a trade with jet then everyone would cry why did you stand pat
Really hoping KOC doesn't send McCarthy out there behind an IOL of Brandel, Bradbury and Ingram. Love the picks in the first round, but the Vikings are still soft in the middle of both the OL and DL. I really wanted to see them land a DT like Sweat, and a good starting guard.
If/when they do the kids got wheels unlike the previous QB.
The later rounds got us a DT, and center, who's played guard, or vice versa. We also have UDFA availability, and the summer to maybe shore up the two interiors. I was also hoping for them to chase Sweat, until he went in the 2nd round - thinking he might drop to 108. We do still need a WR3, need help in CB room, and the line interiors. To realistically compete above the division, it's probably going to take at least one more draft, and another offseason out of salary cap jail.
Finally somebody speaking reality. You can't draft guys when the GM doesn't value or succeed in the draft.
100% accurate
@brianw3656 Bill Bellichick never valued the draft either but they drafted the right qb and filled in the pieces for over a decade with agency. He always saw the draft picks as just trade pieces. They got 6 SBs out of it
Sharp football gave us top rank for extracted value over first 3 rounds and gave us 9th best overall value on our class. And that's a class where the entire league knew we needed a QB and wanted to tax us accordingly. Hard to argue this draft was anything but a win for KAM.
It seems to me Flores must’ve rated Turner well above Chop to buy in on that trade. I wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall in the draft room in that decision.
Not just Flores. Pro football scouts virtually all had Turner as the best defensive player in the draft. The best de absolutely and rated Chop 7, so the consensus is... there is no comparison. Turner was an easy choice.
I have lived through every Vikings Rick Spielman draft, the "more bites from the apple" does not necessarily mean it's a pathway to Super Bowl success as we have learned. So, based on that logic, this most recent draft does not "mortgage the future", as future QUALITY STARTER picks will be well worth the draft cost.
Top notch draft value, within the draft itself and after with the UDFA signings
I think the thought process was getting 3 pillars to build around over the next several years. They got a stud Qb for offense, a stud DE for Defense and a stud Kicker for ST. They did just that.
The long haired dude didn’t sound overtly whiney today ….sounded articulate and had some good points …keep it up
Tyler Forneu. He writes a lot of good Vikings content
So glad draft is over
Imagine if they gave up 11 and a 4th and next years 3rd to get McCarthy anywhere from 4-9 and Dallas turner for 2 seconds and next years 4th and 5th. People would say that was incredible. 23 did become a revalued entity after you got a qb. Sure the cupboard is fairly empty but you still got the staples in there and you got a qb you loved paired with a game changing defender. It’s a make or break year for kwesi and he leveraged the picks for the best blend of immediate impact difference and a long term vision.
The Quality of a UDFA talent at #10. Makes sense.
There is such a thing as opportunity cost fallacy, where we focus too much on the trade off and lose sight of the fact that sometimes an opportunity is worth spending more on. In this case taking a top 10 player, at arguably the 2nd most important position on the field behind QB, is worth those picks. It’s definitely a risk, but if this hits? Look out.
For those that are having hard time with the draft value, look at this way. Would you rather have a Bugatti Chiron (Dallas Turner) in the driveway OR a BMW 3 Series (3rd), a Toyota Camry (4th), and a Kia Sorentto (5th)?
S/O Forno, I've always appreciated his input, but he's really grown on the pod. Keep it up!
what did Declan say at the hot take mic to get boo'd??
Love the Jackson pick. Vikings have selected too many undersized defensive backs and we had no size to match a big receiver. Just watch the game winning TD vs. Denver last year. So, I expect him to play in spots this year.
I like drafting the kicker. if you like the guy, take him! dont let another team go get him
I knew I heard him say this. Kiper has dementia. HaHa. Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN wrote, naming Minnesota among his big winners of the draft’s first night. They patiently waited. They traded up one spot with the [New York] Jets, got their guy and kept the No. 23 pick. That’s a huge win.”
Jayden Nailor showed up all bulked up looking pretty confident. He was having the best camp before he got hurt. I am not counting him out for that 3 spot. I think our kicker is as close to a sure thing as you will ever get for a 6th round kick. Relax lol Not having a day two pick has us way overvaluing the sixth and 7th round picks . I think we did well. This draft was Not considered Deep. It was good top heavy.
Question is would you give up later round pick for two sure things every year?
When you miss out on a pick one year in the early rounds to get that player that you need to put into the starting lineup it makes the next draft more important and willing to spend more to make sure he’s yours. Kwesi missed bad on his first draft trading down so instead of an elite player he’s shopping for a medium level player with to much hope wrote on the back of his shirt. Always better to target elite players and not just numbers.
Overall, a very ideal draft for the vikes. Who cares about only having a limited number of picks next year? Cap space next offseason is like $150m
Not feeling confident. Other nfc north teams getting better and I don’t rate mccarthy as qbotf. Hopefully Flores can really elevate the defence.
All we can do is hope they get better, the North is kinda fun now, the competition should make all teams elevate. With whoever comes out on top should be a contender. I like McCarthy’s attitude, seems like he gets it. I consider 24 his senior year, still young, hopefully they don’t rush him in and let him develop. Next draft I hope they target a DT, C, G and CB. Hopefully one of the younger guys currently rostered fills one of those needs. Luckily by 26 this team is contending.
SKOL
Hopefully we can keep Brian Flores next year and beyond. I would try sign an extension as soon as possible if he likes and wants
@@Nathan-qz3mg Big time would be great!
I'm glad you had no input on this draft. Your take on McCarthy is severely sophomoric.
And virtually every pro analyst disagrees with you. Thank God.
Touchbacks will matter, the ball comes out to the 30, originally it was going to be the 35, after teams give up a few long returns early, they will all end up rather conceding the 30.
I was so happy with this draft. I have never understood why draft picks in the sixth and seventh rounder so highly valued when those players rarely make the team. Players in the first round almost always make the team especially the top 20 so why wouldn't you always try to get one or two players in the top 20 knowing they're gonna make the team and make your team better if you could two good players like really solid players with every draft that's a pretty good percentage I Thinkand then if you can get one more three that's awesome
Yes. 2 players of huge impact and what they gave up to get there was likely nothing.
Good point.
22 starter spots. 2 are first rounders. Offense is stacked save guard and perhaps a better center.
The NFC North looks like it will be a brutal division for the next several years. It's going to be fun.
I’ve been critical of Kweezy but I love this draft on paper! I’m a big believer in the trade up for a top defender and I trust Turner is as advertised…
Quality over quantity is a recipe for success. There is no such thing as a can’t miss prospect…but picking the ones that are damn close to can’t miss, become true assets for the team. More bites at the apple per say with later round picks, can still get talent, but there’s usually a significant talent drop off from those picked early in the draft.
Good takes, good points. Appreciate the episode fellas!
For Round 1 and Round 4 yes. For Round 6-7, no. They took players who may or may not make the 53. Rather than choosing guys were pretty sure will be day 1 starters (Wingo, Boyd, Mahogany, Limmer, Cohen, Taylor, Hall).
If u think about 6 and 7th rd is when u take chance on guy with upside. To get upset over practice squad mostly to cut guys in late rd doesn't make any sense
@@arvieweathers294 I was upset about the picks because there WERE Day 1 starters left on the board for us in positions of need. There was a guy who would’ve immediately replace Brandel at LG (Mahogany) and another guy who would’ve been the NT of our starting line up (Hall & Boyd)
For me I saw us lose a top 10 QB in Kirk. And a top 5 Edge in Hunter.
We replaced them for younger and cheaper.
Here’s hoping
Kirk lover get out here
Kirk isn’t top 10 and Hunter isn’t top 5
@@ashtonyouboty31 maybe not Kirk anymore. But you’re a crack baby if you think Hunter isn’t top 5 at his position.
@@danieljhampshire73 it’s debatable
Watt
Parsons
Crosby
Garret
Mack
Allen
@@danieljhampshire73 also no need for insults
completely disagree with myles take on drafting kickers, we drafted Carlson and even though we let him go he turned into a stud and we'd be lucky if we still had him. Richard is the highest scoring player in FBS History and made a ton of high-pressure kicks in the SEC, those kinds of dudes aren't just waiting around to be signed by anybody. you need to draft those kinds of guys. Harrison butler was drafted, McPherson was drafted, most of the top kicker in the league were drafted. who gives a shit if we used a 6th on him if he ends up being our kicker for 10+ years
Also it a sixth round pick
How many college kickers kick many beyond 52? With the wider hash marks it makes for a longer kick when not centralized.
Thanks Myles - Jackson projects as an outside CB with length and speed. Interesting prospect. Declan viewing him as a Metellus type player doesn't make sense to me at this time.
And thanks Forno as well. Keep up the great work! Skol!
Anything can happen in any given year. The Bears could be good or just be a team like the Bills and never get over the hump. Just because they look good on paper, they still have to play well as a team and with the coaches they have. Remember, Caleb hasn't played in the NFL yet. He might just be average and never elite. He reminds me more of a Deshaun Watson than Mahomes. Purple positivity!! SKOL.
The only bad part of the draft party, 2 shots 2 mixed drinks 80 dollars 😂😂😂 yah love u guys but the venue robbed us
Damn taxy 😮
Mackey pocketed 15% of that.
Brandon Powell was pretty clutch last year!
If Dallas Turner turns out to be a Micah Parsons type player and JJ McCarthy turns out to be a quality quarterback are we really saying they gave up too much?
Cap space of $100 is wrong. It will be cut in half (at least) after signing rookies, JJ, Darisaw and Martellus and maybe Murphy.
Metellus got a 3 year extension last year
@@speed777king6 My bad. I meant Bynum.
Still enough to sign 2 quality offensive linemen if they can be found.
@@debsmith7861 Darrisaw signed his 5th year option so now it's $86 mil for next year
Solid A Draft overall
Said this before, but it seems like every other team will have a phone dedicated to the Vikings because if it rings, drop every other call, because they know they can get way more value in a trade with Vikings.
So u rather had us not trade at all and not get Dallas? Because your mad about 4rd and 5rd pick? U sure u know football 😂
@arvieweathers294 didn't say that all, just want Kwesi to not get fleeced in about every draft trade he does, whether moving up or down
Yep, I too enjoy the Vikings being able to draft the 3rd defensive player off the board while only giving up highly touted prospects the likes of *checks notes* Dru Samia, Bisi Johnson, Danny Isadora, etc etc. the Vikings are so effed for depth now JUST to get a top defensive player!!!
Thor, I talk in circles and say a lot of words end of the day I really didn’t say anything. Thanks broh
I must say for RGM to be an ivy league graduate, and a former Wall Street guy. He really never gets the best of any trade. It goes to show you that these general managers were football experience, run circles around him and the trades
I hear a lot of doubts that Brandon Powell can be WR3 but never any reasons why despite the fact that he played very well this last year. He plays fast and has great hands.
That’s a nice way of saying Kwesi is giving up too much in trade ups…
Bears drafted Tory Taylor where they did because he was the last pick they had at that point. Then drafted the edge later to trade future assets which u covered before that.
MICHAEL MYERS
Kwesi first draft screwed it up on purpose to reset the vikings, but do it undercover
Did it undercover lol
If you can draft a starter in 6th round. Then the position doesn’t matter! Joseph SUCKED!!!
So shocked they didn't draft no IOL from Michigan those were some good dudes and no mahogany
Does anyone really think KAM isn’t looking towards the future? All he’s done is plan for the now and the future since he got here.
Who gives a shit what Mel fucking Kyper had to say. As an old ass Viking fan I’ve seen my Vikes totally fuck up at the draft. (Even not get the pick in on time). This is the best draft they have had in 10 years Two top ten picks and not give up their 2025 number 1. So let the chips fall and stfu. Besides nobody knows who they have till the whistle blows and the games start. All of this crap is just yada yada yada
With exception of the tush push, I think Brandon Powell is a great WR3!!!
What about Dwight McGlothern? I've watched his tape and dude is a baller
My complaints:
1) Why didn’t we draft any Offensive Guards? We should have drafted at least two in 4th and 5th rounds.
2) Why didn’t we draft a DT till the 7th round?
When you move up in the draft, and you use the 'trade charts' to evaluate how much you gave up versus how much you got back, you don't use the # of the pick you traded up for. You use the value or rank you had for that player.
So, when the Vikings traded up to 17 (for Turner) they're not asking: Are we giving up to much for pick #17?. If they had Turner as their #9 player overall -for sake of argument- then their question is: "Are we giving up too much for #9?"
The charts can still be useful and relevant. But you don't assess the pick you moved up for at the slot number of the pick. You assess it at the slot number you gave that player. In their eyes, they didn't trade up to acquire the #17 pick. They traded up to acquire the #9 pick.
That is kind of asinine to do... as you are than artificially raising the value of the draft slot... that you are trading up for. Or basically bidding against your self.
Kiper doesn't know they are getting picks from the falcons next year for tampering
Write this down… the baby faced assassin wins out the starting spot for K and hits every kick week 1
They grabbed Pace from the undrafted group last year. Are they good at that sort of thing? I'm not sure but I hope so
Brad Holmes has earned the benefit of the doubt by drafting the best in the league while Kwesi draft bust don't compare the two
If the Vikings get a big dominant Center and an aggressive NT then there is no reason why they could not reach the SB.
People think the Bears are better than the Vikings? Why? Both teams have rookie QBs and we have Jefferson and Hockenson and they have Cole Kmet? Plus, our tackles are much better, but the Bears are better?
Da bears 😂😂😂😂😂 😅😅😅 SKOL
bear got luckly with trade last yr to have first overall pick how things would be different if they did not have first overall pick
@@anthonyschuster6403 facts
Yous guys' thought processes scares me.
Should've got the Duke center instead of Turner. Turner was all over the place and never put much of anything together. All upside but a dangerously low floor
The Bears are going to be scary-good for the near future. They give the Vikings trouble for sure. NFC North is going to rule the NFL for the next 5-10 years.
Everyone is crying over kicker....
😂😂😂😂😂😂
We drafted good kickers but sell them way to early
As much as I am on board with JJ and Dallas T, the rest of the draft was underwhelming. Not a fan of the Jackson pick at all. Would have gone with TJ Tampa, Jaylen Wright, Bortolini or Devontez Walker. Not going to act like the 6s and 7s are overly consequential but I would have loved Malik Washington or Johnny Wilson over Tackle guy.
We’re really crying about using, nay WASTING, a SIXTH round pick on a kicker. Good lord
I REEEly REEEly question the knowledge of these guys.
But you moved up one pic and I think you gave up 2
31:57 I have a tough time taking Myles' kicker rant seriously when every other word out of his mouth is "like, like".
I recognize on a draft focused show you want guys that can sling film review and crunch the spreadsheets, but some more polish on camera would be appreciated.
To address the actual rant though, why not use a draft pick on a kicker you like? It's true that Justin Tucker and Adam Vinatieri were UDFAs, but there have been plenty of kickers drafted in NFL history, Stephen Gostkowski and Gary Anderson to name two.
Spin.
Myron rolle not antrel
The Vikings draft after the 1st round was an abomination.
Iv been sending in comments for yrs to do this. Get 3 studs not 10 duds
Pratt has already beat Caleb Williams too
I wonder why they're so dead set against Risner.
He had a 2nd rd grade on Pratt ? Tyler's not great with Quarterbacks is he. He proved that with Malik willis also
Gotta mention being right on as well. Hell, let’s name a few
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Sam Darnold
Kenny Pickett
Desmond Ridder
CJ Stroud
Anthony Richardson
@@vikings1stskol92 Sam, desmond and kenny ? I wouldnt exactly brag on them
1. QBotF -- AMAZING
2. #1 Edge -- AMAZING
3. Protype Flores press man CB -- GREAT
4. Swing OT with potential -- GREAT
5. Starting PK -- GREAT
6. Swing IOL -- NICE
7. Sleeper DT -- NICE
Best UDFA class by far
Great draft. Kwesi crushed it
People sleeping on the bears. They're going to be good
Can you take off cousins audio he not here no more lets move on
Sorry guys, i just dont like this spin off of purple daily.
Thanks for watching!
@@joshuat7171 don't mean any disrespect. Just too info to try and absorb. The comedic aspect of PD is what makes it great.
Don't watch these shows then. Stick to what you like :)
@@Sue_V well I will, but I had to watch it a first time to assess the content. Not a mind reader.
Stupid stuff rams traded one quarterback for another got them a super bowl I’ll trade every thing for mahonés and get free agents
This guy is still crying over picks.
Forno is unlistenable.
You know why the Bears aren't being dragged for giving up a 4th next year?
Well, you just said they did it for a top 40 player..
It is ONE draft pick on day 3.
And the Bears still have all their picks next year, but the 4th and Carolina's 2nd and either a 4th or 6th from Steelers...
And who cares while your breaking down the Bears maybe your on wrong channel we bleed purple here not orange juice😂
Forno = automatic dislike.
Thanks for watching!
@@vikings1stskol92lol..
If you didn't have to spend it on JJ why does that mean you spend it on Turner? He wasn't even better than Latu. Surprised he's favored as DROY
They walked away with a QB in the top 10... but not a top 10 QB.
Listening to you guys trying to justify the Dallas Turner trade while kissing Kwesi's ass makes me think you guys put on some chap stick before the podcast. We the public, don't have to toe the line in order to stay on the air and be relevant to the companies you write for. Dallas Turner better be God's gift to the edge position, because they paid a Kings ransom for Him! While totally ignoring the interior offensive and interior defensive lines!
Quality? You mean Lions draft. Your sad vikes got Zach Wilson 2.0, a soft undersized bullrusher who is scared to tackle... Sad vikes let CB Terrion Arnold slide to Lions. RIP
Ya baby girl? Thanks for info u be on point baby girl
@@arvieweathers294 You're so kind Mother. Thank You!
The tweaking ginger is going offfff my GOD talking like he's some kind of draft pros...
If you want to "grade drafts" (lol) you don't get to GB and say you have to wait to see them in the NFL. Grading a draft = grading each PROSPECT and averaging that out over each player in the draft.
Why’s Forno so butthurt 😂 it really doesn’t matter
That Cine pick could’ve changed this defense for this year… wow. I still dream of Kyle Hamilton in OUR purple and yellow… 😭😭🟣🟡#14
Change what defense? We still have better defense than Ravens! And beat them too. Cine was literally the better option given that we needed to fill other spots. Cine was also healthier and a winner. Stop mentioning that name, it's old.
Drake Rodriguez is a better athlete than Forno has suggested he is a long shot to make the team but I think he end up on the practice squad for a year to develop. Why couldn't he get on a division 1 team with what he had shown on the field?