Flood & Wilder had patience of saints. You can’t think straight working in such a negative environment. I totally get why Alan left but miss him badly.
For a period of time definitely… after that, nobody knows. He did a Depeche Mode remix in 2011 that sounded like 1992. Wilder is brilliant and i like him to bits, but you never know if his taste did evolve enough. The Delta Machine album sounds very American and the good songs on there are extremely strong DM songs … but they re not very British and not 80s / 90s
The key words..."myself and Alan sat in the studio". Martin Gore could never have been a frontman, so Dave Gahan gets some latitude in relation to his own problems and leaving Alan Wilder isolated. fletch gets...nothing. Martin Gore obviously had incredible idea. But Alan Wilder put in the time, effort, dedication, ingenuity etc. etc. etc. Always HIM and the producer. We was under-valued, and (apparently) under-paid to the point of near-criminality. But he will NEVER be forgotten.
Alan is forever. Though he did worked the most, keep in mind he still has royalty and feedback rights til this day. He is still getting royalties from any sales or contracts coming from the songs or albums from when he was an official band member. So maybe underpaid compared to the rest but he is said to be networthed $40 Million even though he lost money on Recoil. That is type of wealth is bonkers lol. I am happy for him.
Yep. The genius was combining the sad song with the groovy instrumental. That's where the magic seems to come from; it makes you feel a wide range of emotions. (A morbid song with a euphoric pulse.)
One of the skills Alan had,in my opinion, is that he could put some light whenever Martin's demos were too dark without betraying the nature of the songs.
It's abundantly clear that Alan deserved songwriting and production credit. I can't blame him for leaving, yet I would give anything to see him work with them again. His remix of In Chains was better than the original.
He may deserve it but he humbly didn't want it. He admits he hates writing songs and does not like being a producer EVEN though the producer of music for the masses said Alan was really the producer and he was just co-producing. Alan is one humble guy... he just wanted to make good music.
So, my favorite song of all times was an accident and even his composer “didn’t really like it”... So glad it was a massive hit. The song was underrated in the studio, but how about it now?
dave and andy piss off for the weekend, gore spends most of it in his room. goes to show who did all the work. gore is overrated. little wonder that after sofad flood had had enough, alan too.
Violator: "World In My Eyes" "Sweetest Perfection" "Personal Jesus" "Halo" "Waiting For The Night" "Enjoy The Silence" "Policy Of Truth" "Blue Dress" "Clean"
Is it just me who thinks that ETS allmost was written by Flood/Wilder instead of Gore? Yeah. Sure. Gore wrote the demo. But its just an organ and Martin singing. This song proves how much impact a producer can have on a song.
Wilder actually requested Martin to do simple Demos without any beats or mixes in them after MFTM... It was so that Wilder and Flood could start with a stripped down slate. It was amazing what they did with them. Now, Martin has taken over Wilder's production and mixing work... that's why it still sounds like all Demo.
@@ScottWozniak In the classical sense Alan wasn’t the songwriter but modern definitions do define Alan as a songwriter and should’ve been a credited to cowriter. Alan enhanced and did a much better job at progression than Martin. As talented as Martin is, Alan turned his songs to legendary music
Odd to use the term 'Disco' when explaining this demo and even the final cut song. Disco has specific sounds and is a genre that refers to dance music that was birthed during a specific era in time. Disco evolved into various forms of Dance Music in the early 80s, then eventually branched off to Freestyle and variations of House through the years before electronic genres and dance fusions took off in the 2000s. Now there is more dance fusion than there are specific dance genres - a mixed bag with a lot of throwbacks (especially to the 90's Deep House club scene sound). Any song or demo with a steady bass beat shouldn't be referred to as disco, and this was also true in 1990, so this term was probably used as a pejorative to express disdain for a proper dance track, which makes sense since the Disco genre was closer to 1990 than it is today and suffered unfair ridicule which left a stain on the genre. It's kind of like how a lot of people refer to several house genres as 'Techno' today - when in most cases, they are not. When Enjoy The Silence was created and released, Disco was still something of the past and had a specific sound. Enjoy the Silence was indeed a dance track, but with DM mood and soul, and it yielded some amazing official and underground house mixes and got a lot of club play back in the day. No one felt that this song was unusual or a departure for DM since a lot of their mixes hit the club scene in major clubs in the 80s and 90s. Actually, I was hoping DM would lean more into this layered sound with their next album, but I grew to love SOFAD, which was heavily influenced by the exploding grunge scene at the time, but still remained uniquely DM.
I see that a lot of people are mentioning Bizarre Love Triangle as the song where the drums were lifted from, but I can clearly hear a sample from Music Non Stop by Kraftwerk as the snare drum in the intro of ETS (original KW song at 2:45, add reverb and you got the sound), also the hihat pattern is clearly the same anticipated by 1/4 note, what do you guys think?
You got it! I just listened to it, and that is definitely the same sample! It's probably the same hi-hat too, just EQ'ed and processed differently. Great ear!
sounded like BLT to me when i first heard it and it fits the narrative. I THOUGHT it was going to be I Fee Love, but no. I would NOT call Musique Non Stop a disco track by any stretch of the imagination. Music Non Stop does not fit the MO, nor does it sound the same, MNS being Kraftwerk's foray into sample territory and Karl Bartos himself leaving Kraftwerk because of that album: "The problem started when the computer arrived in the studio,” says Bartos. “A computer has nothing to do with creativity, it’s just a tool, but we outsourced creativity to the computer. We forgot about the centre of what we were. We lost our physical feeling, no longer looking each other in the eye, only staring at the monitor."' MNS sounds very 80's in a bad way, terrible gated drum samples awash in terrible 80's digital reverb.
@@alexwestconsulting I just watched an interview with Martin Gore talking to Telekom in 2013. He said they were heavily influenced by Kraftwerk in the old days. And there is a sample from Musique Non Stop used in the intro of the album version of Enjoy the Silence on beats two and four. And the hi-hats sound similar as well as the tempo. MNS is not a disco track, but given all this evidence, I'm sure that's the song that influenced Enjoy the Silence - as weird as that sounds.
Great producer but the most boring man in thr world. I have heard the original enjoy the silence demo and its amazing , slower and darker , yes wouldnt have been the hit it was without the samples and mixing but the bones were there. Gore is the talent here folks , he comes with the songs and melody , alan just improved the sound , co writing credit i dont think so....loads of demos on you tube and martins raw demos are amazing
It is clear why Alan Wilder left ....with fletcher managing the bags.... it’s no wonder he left .... As he said in his goodbye note .. he was doing the screwdriver work .... doing the work with the producer.. laying the track and Martin claiming all the credit ! Wilder should have been given more credit for writing the songs ..!
@@pepinillosazucarados6743 Martin is the one with floofy blonde hair. I doubt that any of the fab four (Wilder, Fletch, Gore & Gahan) are gay. OMG!!!!!! 💖 DM is finally getting into the RARHOF!!!!!!! WOO! HOO! Party hard!
He was hilarious here, especially while impersonating Martin, which maybe went over their head. They're not native English speakers so maybe a lot of them didn't relate to his sense of humor.
After checking the timeline, Alan Wilder give so much to the band and until the point his wife left. I think as a man he feels disappointed and left the band...(hearts broken)
Not only is the drum sound taken straight from BLT but that drum sample that you can hear after the first refrain comes from a 70's disco song. Can't remember the name though... That said, it seems like the choir/strings sound come from a factory preset of Korg M1 synthesizers. I always thought that the bassline was created using a sound made from a Moog Model D and ARP 2600. Nice to know it was a Roland System 700 (you can see the same system in some video footage of Sofad recordings session in Madrid).
Exactly what I was thinking. A house or acid-house track, at least. (Everyone seems to think it was from New Order or Iron Maiden which wouldn't make much sense to me, as they're too well known in the pop world.)
I think the drum beat that was copied is from a very particular song from the early 80s, but with another sound instead of the hi-hat. I think Flood smiles in a certain way when he talks about it for a reason... :)
@@anaranjadisimo True! It was D mob - We call it aceeed that was out in clubs in '89. (they were producing the record in '89 to be out in 1990). Listen with your ears: ruclips.net/video/sdy6e-hUpJ4/видео.html
I think it is from a song from 1982, but with another sound instead of the hi-hat. I think Flood smiles in a certain way when he talks about it for a particular reason...
I think you're right - I don't know where everyone else is getting "Bizarre Love Triangle." BLT opens the hi-hat on the fourth count and the bass drum is on 1 and 3. Except for the gated snare fills, "Express Yourself" fits perfectly - exactly the same hi-hat pattern, snare on 2, just before 3, and 4, and bass drum four-to-the-floor. Also, Depeche Mode ripping off the Queen of Pop (and really, she was ripping off house music) from just the year before is way funnier and cheekier than ripping off New Order from seven years ago
Wow, the drums isolated alone make it sound like the intro to "Run To The Hills" from Iron Maiden. Can't be! But I can't think of any other drumbeat but that one hearing the drums alone
New Order owe a lot to house and acid-house tracks in general. I doubt DM would've chosen New Order to copy at that point in time as they were so closely related already. Would've been too obvious a choice.
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this Man just showed what a loss Alan is
Exactly what I was thinking
Flood & Wilder had patience of saints. You can’t think straight working in such a negative environment. I totally get why Alan left but miss him badly.
Flood & Alan Wilder were truly the dream team, and Depeche Mode made their 2 masterpiece albums (Violator & SOFAD) with them back then.
Alan Wilder is no doubt a true Depeche Mode fingerprint. Truly miss his work on Depeche.
Totally agree.He always does the extra work .
For a period of time definitely… after that, nobody knows. He did a Depeche Mode remix in 2011 that sounded like 1992.
Wilder is brilliant and i like him to bits, but you never know if his taste did evolve enough.
The Delta Machine album sounds very American and the good songs on there are extremely strong DM songs … but they re not very British and not 80s / 90s
@franksound6922 That is exactly why Delta Machine doesn’t fit my taste. It is very American, not British (or European).
They just sounded boring after Faith & Devotion. Until this last one.
The key words..."myself and Alan sat in the studio". Martin Gore could never have been a frontman, so Dave Gahan gets some latitude in relation to his own problems and leaving Alan Wilder isolated. fletch gets...nothing. Martin Gore obviously had incredible idea. But Alan Wilder put in the time, effort, dedication, ingenuity etc. etc. etc. Always HIM and the producer. We was under-valued, and (apparently) under-paid to the point of near-criminality. But he will NEVER be forgotten.
alan is a legend
Alan is forever. Though he did worked the most, keep in mind he still has royalty and feedback rights til this day. He is still getting royalties from any sales or contracts coming from the songs or albums from when he was an official band member. So maybe underpaid compared to the rest but he is said to be networthed $40 Million even though he lost money on Recoil. That is type of wealth is bonkers lol. I am happy for him.
Yep. The genius was combining the sad song with the groovy instrumental. That's where the magic seems to come from; it makes you feel a wide range of emotions. (A morbid song with a euphoric pulse.)
@DxModel219 I suppose Alan has lost more money with divorces than Recoil.
One of the skills Alan had,in my opinion, is that he could put some light whenever Martin's demos were too dark without betraying the nature of the songs.
Great stuff. That shows why Martin sometimes needs a strong outside voice to guide him, as his instincts aren't always right
This guy is awesome. One of the best producers around.
It's abundantly clear that Alan deserved songwriting and production credit. I can't blame him for leaving, yet I would give anything to see him work with them again. His remix of In Chains was better than the original.
He may deserve it but he humbly didn't want it. He admits he hates writing songs and does not like being a producer EVEN though the producer of music for the masses said Alan was really the producer and he was just co-producing. Alan is one humble guy... he just wanted to make good music.
Drum sample source: Ten City - Foundation - "That's The Way Love Is (Deep House Mix / Extended Version)"
Daniel Miller really sleeping on the job by letting Alan leave
Didn't quite expect the best video on DM I've ever seen today, in 2022, but that what seemed to have happened.
Flood doing Martin is so funny
So, my favorite song of all times was an accident and even his composer “didn’t really like it”... So glad it was a massive hit. The song was underrated in the studio, but how about it now?
dave and andy piss off for the weekend, gore spends most of it in his room. goes to show who did all the work. gore is overrated.
little wonder that after sofad flood had had enough, alan too.
Violator:
"World In My Eyes"
"Sweetest Perfection"
"Personal Jesus"
"Halo"
"Waiting For The Night"
"Enjoy The Silence"
"Policy Of Truth"
"Blue Dress"
"Clean"
Is it just me who thinks that ETS allmost was written by Flood/Wilder instead of Gore? Yeah. Sure. Gore wrote the demo. But its just an organ and Martin singing. This song proves how much impact a producer can have on a song.
Wilder actually requested Martin to do simple Demos without any beats or mixes in them after MFTM... It was so that Wilder and Flood could start with a stripped down slate. It was amazing what they did with them. Now, Martin has taken over Wilder's production and mixing work... that's why it still sounds like all Demo.
Martin wrote the song. He wrote the words, melody and chord progression. That's what a song is. As much as I miss Alan, production is not songwriting.
@@ScottWozniak In the classical sense Alan wasn’t the songwriter but modern definitions do define Alan as a songwriter and should’ve been a credited to cowriter. Alan enhanced and did a much better job at progression than Martin. As talented as Martin is, Alan turned his songs to legendary music
How did they convince Martin to do the backup vocals on that song?
Daniel Miller
Gareth Jones
David Bascombe
Flood
Alan Wilder
Flood's great. Enjoy listening to him.
Thank you so much for uploading this!
Flood pausing for forced laughter from the audience, after his Martin impersonation, is cringeworthy.
Awful crowd dude
seriously!... not even one chuckle, and Flood is hilarious! ah well
@Neal Spence Go easy on them. They're Polish. Probably not getting much of what he's saying 🌻
Thank god for producers PUSHING artists to get the maximum benefit of their music. Like Mutt Lange and Def Leppard.
Alan wilder got screwed over
David Callcott Gahan
Andrew John Leonard Fletcher
Martin Lee Gore
Alan Charles Wilder
Mark Ellis Flood
Odd to use the term 'Disco' when explaining this demo and even the final cut song. Disco has specific sounds and is a genre that refers to dance music that was birthed during a specific era in time. Disco evolved into various forms of Dance Music in the early 80s, then eventually branched off to Freestyle and variations of House through the years before electronic genres and dance fusions took off in the 2000s. Now there is more dance fusion than there are specific dance genres - a mixed bag with a lot of throwbacks (especially to the 90's Deep House club scene sound).
Any song or demo with a steady bass beat shouldn't be referred to as disco, and this was also true in 1990, so this term was probably used as a pejorative to express disdain for a proper dance track, which makes sense since the Disco genre was closer to 1990 than it is today and suffered unfair ridicule which left a stain on the genre. It's kind of like how a lot of people refer to several house genres as 'Techno' today - when in most cases, they are not.
When Enjoy The Silence was created and released, Disco was still something of the past and had a specific sound. Enjoy the Silence was indeed a dance track, but with DM mood and soul, and it yielded some amazing official and underground house mixes and got a lot of club play back in the day. No one felt that this song was unusual or a departure for DM since a lot of their mixes hit the club scene in major clubs in the 80s and 90s. Actually, I was hoping DM would lean more into this layered sound with their next album, but I grew to love SOFAD, which was heavily influenced by the exploding grunge scene at the time, but still remained uniquely DM.
I see that a lot of people are mentioning Bizarre Love Triangle as the song where the drums were lifted from, but I can clearly hear a sample from Music Non Stop by Kraftwerk as the snare drum in the intro of ETS (original KW song at 2:45, add reverb and you got the sound), also the hihat pattern is clearly the same anticipated by 1/4 note, what do you guys think?
You got it! I just listened to it, and that is definitely the same sample! It's probably the same hi-hat too, just EQ'ed and processed differently. Great ear!
sounded like BLT to me when i first heard it and it fits the narrative. I THOUGHT it was going to be I Fee Love, but no. I would NOT call Musique Non Stop a disco track by any stretch of the imagination. Music Non Stop does not fit the MO, nor does it sound the same, MNS being Kraftwerk's foray into sample territory and Karl Bartos himself leaving Kraftwerk because of that album: "The problem started when the computer arrived in the studio,” says Bartos. “A computer has nothing to do with creativity, it’s just a tool, but we outsourced creativity to the computer. We forgot about the centre of what we were. We lost our physical feeling, no longer looking each other in the eye, only staring at the monitor."' MNS sounds very 80's in a bad way, terrible gated drum samples awash in terrible 80's digital reverb.
@@alexwestconsulting I just watched an interview with Martin Gore talking to Telekom in 2013. He said they were heavily influenced by Kraftwerk in the old days. And there is a sample from Musique Non Stop used in the intro of the album version of Enjoy the Silence on beats two and four. And the hi-hats sound similar as well as the tempo. MNS is not a disco track, but given all this evidence, I'm sure that's the song that influenced Enjoy the Silence - as weird as that sounds.
To be fair, there's loads of house and acid-house tracks that beat could've been from.
@@neilsun2521 flood made it clear that the song they sampled from (not just copied) was a seminal, very well know track
Tough crowd
Thanks David M. Allen
Flood + Alan \0/
Great producer but the most boring man in thr world. I have heard the original enjoy the silence demo and its amazing , slower and darker , yes wouldnt have been the hit it was without the samples and mixing but the bones were there. Gore is the talent here folks , he comes with the songs and melody , alan just improved the sound , co writing credit i dont think so....loads of demos on you tube and martins raw demos are amazing
So basically,DM is Alan wilder & David Gahn.
while Andy went to sleep, the best DM track was born
It is clear why Alan Wilder left ....with fletcher managing the bags.... it’s no wonder he left .... As he said in his goodbye note .. he was doing the screwdriver work .... doing the work with the producer.. laying the track and Martin claiming all the credit ! Wilder should have been given more credit for writing the songs ..!
Ahhhh. Just as I suspected-Martin's a bitch.
@@Judy-1989 WICH ONE IS MARTIN THE GAY ONE ?
@@pepinillosazucarados6743 Martin is the one with floofy blonde hair. I doubt that any of the fab four (Wilder, Fletch, Gore & Gahan) are gay. OMG!!!!!! 💖 DM is finally getting into the RARHOF!!!!!!! WOO! HOO! Party hard!
Judy 1989 I always thought Martin was a homo 😳
@@pepinillosazucarados6743 One would think that. 😏
wow.. sometimes magic is created so fast
This is fucking gold!!!))))
Feel sorry for Flood. Worst crowd ever!
Are they supposed to dance or what?
He was hilarious here, especially while impersonating Martin, which maybe went over their head. They're not native English speakers so maybe a lot of them didn't relate to his sense of humor.
ive seen more life in a dogs fur
After checking the timeline, Alan Wilder give so much to the band and until the point his wife left. I think as a man he feels disappointed and left the band...(hearts broken)
Enjoy the Silence created in 3 days. Wonderful.
I finally found the answer! Enjoy the Silence wasn't built in a day; rather three days
I didn't know they used a drum sample! what is the original track called that the drum sample comes from?
Someone said "Stayin' Alive" by the Bee Gees which fits and is an obvious choice.
The anti-Albini.
Thanks.
Not only is the drum sound taken straight from BLT but that drum sample that you can hear after the first refrain comes from a 70's disco song. Can't remember the name though...
That said, it seems like the choir/strings sound come from a factory preset of Korg M1 synthesizers.
I always thought that the bassline was created using a sound made from a Moog Model D and ARP 2600. Nice to know it was a Roland System 700 (you can see the same system in some video footage of Sofad recordings session in Madrid).
BLT ?
@@Esperluet Bizarre Love Triangle
That drum beat is like the start of D MOB we call it aciieeed
Exactly what I was thinking. A house or acid-house track, at least. (Everyone seems to think it was from New Order or Iron Maiden which wouldn't make much sense to me, as they're too well known in the pop world.)
Does anybody know where they lifted the drums from? Is it "Vanishing Point" by New Order pitched a little bit lower?
Love Bizarre Triangle :)
I would've given anything to be at this talk
Drums are from New Orders Bizarre Love Triangle. Id bet my bottom dollar.
Might be right.
I thought the exact same thing. Pretty sure about it. But Flood won't reveal his secret. ;)
The pattern sounds like the intro of BLT but if you are implying its an audio sample, I don't think so. The drums are different
I would too.
It is bizarre love triangle from 12” remix ?
Does anyone know why Depeche Mode didn’t collaborate with Flood anymore after Alan Wilder’s departure? I would love to know it 🤔
as soon as he was done with SOFAD he promised himself that he would never suffer again .
@simoharjane7823 Really? 😅 Did he say this or it’s your opinion? He has made Freelove mix for Exciter then 🤔
That bass line sounds like ‘Blue Monday’
That's what I thought
I think the drum beat that was copied is from a very particular song from the early 80s, but with another sound instead of the hi-hat. I think Flood smiles in a certain way when he talks about it for a reason... :)
There's loads of house tracks it could've been from around that time.
He's the best record producer in the industry. God like Genius. Check out his work on the Depeche Mode Ultra album.
That was Tim Simenon. Flood did "Violator" and "Songs Of Faith And Devotion"; it was a confluence of genius peaking altogether.
How about his work with U2, Smashing Pumpkins, and Nine Inch Nails?
So they probably copy some acid house record
a very obscure and badass one.. that beat doesn't age and its full of life and energy.
@@anaranjadisimo True! It was D mob - We call it aceeed that was out in clubs in '89. (they were producing the record in '89 to be out in 1990).
Listen with your ears:
ruclips.net/video/sdy6e-hUpJ4/видео.html
Puk Studios burned down last year, sadly.
Those drums sound just like Bizarre Love Triangle
Has the original drum track been confirmed?
Bizarre Love Triangle for the beat?
My guess is he "copied" the beat from Express Yourself with Madonna. Could that be it? :-)
I think it is from a song from 1982, but with another sound instead of the hi-hat. I think Flood smiles in a certain way when he talks about it for a particular reason...
I think you're right - I don't know where everyone else is getting "Bizarre Love Triangle." BLT opens the hi-hat on the fourth count and the bass drum is on 1 and 3. Except for the gated snare fills, "Express Yourself" fits perfectly - exactly the same hi-hat pattern, snare on 2, just before 3, and 4, and bass drum four-to-the-floor. Also, Depeche Mode ripping off the Queen of Pop (and really, she was ripping off house music) from just the year before is way funnier and cheekier than ripping off New Order from seven years ago
well played.
on the nest and the conversation view--the bootee and the ball
Wow, the drums isolated alone make it sound like the intro to "Run To The Hills" from Iron Maiden. Can't be! But I can't think of any other drumbeat but that one hearing the drums alone
Sounds much more like a house beat to me. The bass is like many acid house tracks from the late '80s.
I know the Disco song he lifted the drums from. :)
McSpacerson which song??
Tell us please if u really know
I thought about Bizarre Love Triangle, from New Order
or Touched by the Hand of God
They really need to work with flood again. The music sucks for the last four or five albums.
I think the disco beat was franki valli grease
Bee Gees staying alive drums sample
Would very much like to hear a mashup ;-)
It ain't it
Sounds like they copied New Order drums.
Except they were far better
I'm not a betting man BUT if I was id say Enjoy The Silence owes a LOT to BLT by New Order!!!
New Order owe a lot to house and acid-house tracks in general. I doubt DM would've chosen New Order to copy at that point in time as they were so closely related already. Would've been too obvious a choice.
New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
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