This all honestly feels like further proof if it were needed that Williams has serious issues beyond budget. George Russel said that their car setup weekend to weekend was closer to a guessing game than a refined tuning process and you can absolutely see that here. They seem to have almost zero ability to consistently correlate design decisions with on-track results.
Understandable because the team keeps changing so much, three different team principals in three years. I think in a year or two, once Capito’s group is comfortable in F1, we’ll see them improving.
With AM and Williams mid-season changes I think we can start seeing the design convergence now for the current era. And like the 2011-12, its Red Bull once again that became the center point of the convergence.
I genuinely don't understand why everyone making fun of him, let the man live. This whole Goatifi thing is just to make fun of him, no one actually likes him or thinks he's good...
@@alexpeak16 they didn't exactly get the regulations wrong in 98, after Newey departure the car didn't have a main designer so they used more or less the same car as 97 and Renault stopped the development of their engines so Williams had to use rebadged Mecachrome with 97 spec performance
@@alexpeak16 Kinda. The main problem of williams back then (and at some degree currently as well) was that they had a very poor management. They changed drivers every 2-3 seasons, their main engineers left due to not meeting the expectations and one of them being Newey who designed for them 5 championship winner cars. As they were on top of the world they thought that they could replace anybody. In 98 as they got screwed with Renault and without a car ready for the grooved tires they had no other option but stand still, from then onwards the only good decisions that they took were Montoya and the partnership with BMW which was the fastest engine but without enough aero (due to not retaining Newey).
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The williams old sidepod design is all the negatives of the mercedes design without any of the benefits. It exposes a lot of floor, so it cant be supported, and it creates a huge blockage to turn the air outwards and not allow for clean airflow to the rear. Its interesting that mercedes have said they got the concept wrong: That is, they said they are moving away from running the car low and stiff, and have made floor updates and will bring suspension upgrades to raise the car to gain performance at higher ride heights. They did this without changing the sidepod shape, because theoretically, having no sidepods will still allow mass clean airflow to hit the rear wing and beam wing even in low speed. Currently the merc main weakness is in low speed and traction zones, mostly because they lack the mechanical grip due to running a stiff car. If they can bring upgrades that fix that, theyll be right in front again.
@therace - there’s a basic concept in neuroscience called the two channel problem - the part of the brain that processes text reading is the same one that processes speech. PLEASE do not put long paragraph quotes on screen with a totally different narration. This is communication 101.
Interesting to know. I've always watched videos on this channel trying to follow the quotes on-screen and found my brain just failing to do so and feeling annoyed but now you've explained why with science. Thanks for this comment. Good to know since I'm a film producer myself.
@@welovefootball8563 Ya I've always guessed that maybe their logic is that if you are in a corner turning the steering wheel you shouldn't be looking at the screen anyways. Also, 100% of the time you should just know what gear you're in. I guess it's just a packaging thing. Maybe it's too expensive for Williams to develop a new steering wheel. I know they are one of the most cash limited teams.
It's actually easier to drive the car with the steering wheel like that, it makes it lighter allowing you to turn the wheel side to side quicker. Also a driver isn't going to be looking at the wheel while they're turning, so there's no real point in putting the screen in the wheel itself, since if you're turning, the screen will be sideways to the driver.
Williams never ran ultra narrow sidepods they ran short sidepods exposing a lot of floor but they were never exceptionally narrow like the Merc they aren’t even smaller then Merc’s Barcelona testing sidepods
Thinking about it, the trick that the teams used in F1's first Ground Effect era was maximising the length of the sidepods. These allowed for the venturi tunnels underneath to be used to their full potential. I wonder if lengthening the sidepods has the effect of enhancing the difference in pressure between the floor and the over body aerodynamics. If that is the case, then Mercedes, for once, got things dramatically wrong, hence why they've recorded their longest winless spell since 2013
Forgetting about who got it wrong and who got it right, theirs absolutely no reason based on pure physics why the sidepods would have any effect on the effect of the venturi tunnels and why a team that has supposedly got it wrong is still comfortably third fastest and swiftly catching up.
This is a classic case of group think. Because Majority of the grid has gone down the route of large sidepods with(out) downwash, and that happens to be the the top two fastest team (which have flexi floors) at the time, then it means that the large sidepod design in the correct one. Take a look at the Aston Martin team vs RBR. why hasn’t AMR closed the gap to the front since the barcelona update. large down washing sidepods isn’t the only solution to the 2022 regs. I highly doubt that Merc will change its concept as it will be a key differentiator in the long term when it comes to its development race over the next 3 years. it will probably non linear when compared to the other teams which can be a good but can also bite (*coughs* start of the season)
So have we stopped calling cars with big upgrade packages a B spec? Like given how much the Williams design has changed, is it not right to call this the FW-44B?
It depends on the chassis. The general rule of thumb for what is considered a B spec car is that you cannot bolt on new parts to the A spec to make it a B spec. Usually this means a major change in wheel base, or suspension geometry. Behind all this new body work, Albons Williams still has the same bones as Latifis. You can take the new parts off Albons car, and bolt them onto Latifis. This is a different case than the new Aston Martin, which is a true B spec car that debuted in Spain. It has a whole new chassis that was homoligated. It is impossible to bolt on current new parts onto Astons Miami spec car, to create their Spain spec car.
Interesting video, I don't think it's always a case of "getting it wrong" or "screwing up". The problem F1 teams have now is no real testing. In the 90's they could design and make four or five sidepod designs, take them testing with a dedicated test team in Spain (for example) and see which one does the business. With the current way F1 works teams have to take more of a risk in what they think will translate from the windtunnel to the race track. Sometimes it works (Red Bull) and sometimes it doesn't (Mercedes). From there it's how you recover as a team, as above I think one of of the reasons why Williams were so dominant in the 90's was they had a dedicated test team that would be logging up 1,000's of miles whilst the race team would get the parts that worked. It's much more a case of how much of a risk you are willing to take now. Williams tried this solution and it didn't work for them, I'm hoping the new layout works better for them. As for the team being "hopeless". F1 is so so close on times now. Sometimes only a few seconds covering the grid. In the 80's or 90's it could be up to seven seconds covering all the cars. So if Williams can generate some extra performance they should be solid top ten material.
Though testing is much more limited these days, having unlimited private tests like in the past cost a whole lot of money, and for a sport that tries to be more cost efficient, it's not a good look if one or two teams are able to do thousands of kilometers of tests while other teams don't have the resources to do so
@@luscorpio3679 you could just provide a limited amount of kms to run to each team of the grid, would be even better inversely proportional to the classification this way if you are williams you run 1000km whereas if you are ferrari or redbull you have 100
@@stefanobuzzoni7414 It wouldn't work, because the cost of those testing runs would go against the cap anyway. It wouldn't be worth it for the top teams to set up such big tests for so little running (most teams run longer than 100kms in FP1 alone most weekends) and for the smaller teams, it's the cost that would prevent them from doing that
I feel like this video should've been made on the 2020 and 2021 Williams which was arguably much worse considering how mature the previous regulations were. It's way too soon to say Williams got it completely wrong, especially when they're a much smaller team compared to the midfield. It was expected that Williams would struggle even with the largest amount of wind tunnel time. I'm more disappointed with the Williams cars of the previous years.
It's good that they're moving from zeropods mid-season, so they'll have more time analysing wider sidepods design and adapting it for 2023. It's still new territory for them.
Williams exist to keep their business surviving not to win ... that is why they fail. They have got so lost the only thing that will save them is being bought out by a car company as a cheaper way to get into F1
The answer ofcourse is no. Mercedes doesn't need to change their car concept because they have the FIA changing the cars of the other teams instead. First neutralizing the ride heights and now banning parts of the floor on the RedBull and Ferrari. Soon Merc will be the most dominant car again because it'll have the best concept wise due to the FIA ruining the other 9 team's concepts.
there we see the amount of hate merc gets simply for being better. if merc was having these flexi floors a d it was catching the redbull, and then it got banned, then noone complains. yall just mad that merc r not backmarkers
Who does the design’s for these cars? A human? A computer? Do teams use different computer programs? Or designer’s? What’s the source of these F1 car designs? Human?
Same wishes overhere as well. I grew up with mighty BMW-Williams and super quick Montoya-Ralf driver combo. For me peak F1 is always Ferrari vs. McLaren vs. Williams. Three traditional F1 teams that are here for racing and racing only. Not this Red Bull-Mercedes toxic crap.
not sure sometimes if top or bottom was new... maybe mention that. not everyone memorizes technical details of all the cars. THe later pics had this and were easier to follow
It's safe to say the merc has a lot of potential but it's just incredibly difficult to get it right. If merc finally figure it out next year (which they probably will) no one will have the balls to copy them.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 Merc have figured out their problems, they also haven’t been bending the rules enough. If you look at all the cars on the grid you have to say that the Mercedes’ is one of the cleanest in terms of manipulating the air flow and I’m certain this is going to pay dividends in the near future!
@@alfred7350 to be fair at first the merc was a very draggy car but now it’s a lot different. Once they find out how to raise the car and apply more downforce it’s all over. We might see Ferrari and redbull take a hit in performance at France with the new floor rules
It’s a good thing we have budget and testing caps or Mercedes would have two different cars right now seeing whether they should copy red bull or stick to their own plan
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 i agree i like the smaller old school teams but the work Mercedes has done last 12? Years cant be denied same for redbull... i just really wish renault "alpine" had the balls to compete with the real brands.. give us more REAL teams.. i wish Honda or Toyota came back as a japanese speaking team that would be awesome
@@sgyt5224 if they did understand their car they would have fixed the porposing rather than have hamilton cry to the fia regarding "SAFETY ISSUES" to bring in changes that would negatively affect the leading team to get back the pace they lost .... its so funny because toto and russel i think have mention multiple times "we need understand the car" which clearly means they themselves cant fully understand the issue ...... is their design better and viable compare to williams yes but do they understand it fullly i doubt that .
A design failure shouldn't get you confortably in the third place of the Formula 1 championship. The Mercedes isn't as good as the Red bull and the Ferrari but it's clearly not a failure as you said
Question is: Did they have the same sort of x-chassis as Mercedes before and if yes, could they change it now to fill the newfound sidepod volume with radiators or do they now run around with a whole lot of empty volume and still high CoG?
One has to wonder how much the Williams pod-less design was influenced by Mercedes. Given that they use their engines, you have to wonder if someone said "well, we are building the engines for this type of design" and Williams just went with it. It seems to be showing to be a less than optimal design choice. Now with their bigger sidepods, it would appear that they are going down what is the more widely accepted solution.
I think because technically they are a superior team (of course), but mainly Mercedes has the facility to throw much more resources at the problem. Williams is probably a tenth of the size of Mercedes as well, haha. Some could say that Merc are being very stubborn. The solution is just work working and move on. Maybe if we didn't have the development costs cap they would be on their fourth or fifth sidepod treatment by now! :)
What video is this and why does it exist? Albon warm was horrid on the inter because his team waited so long to send him out and plus he didn’t even get a chance to show what the car is capable of because he crashed in the first lap that was out of his control.
Man it’s gonna be sad if with all this change will become illegal because of the flex of the bottom of the car, like Fer and RB, and they would have to redesign the car again after France…
It seems to me that the sidepods are a very little part of the cars performance. Looking at Aston Martin who are now running a similar concept, and it would seem like the sidepods have made no impact on their cars downforce or performance at all.
@@EchoMirage72 they did, check out te tech talk from Spain. But they have managed a 1 sec faster car with the same chassie, that is a massive improvment, and shows the potential in the right design. Heck, AM may be the 4th fastest car at the end of this season
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The danger Williams face is turning into this year's version of the Pink Mercedes... I.e., copying a philosophy without fully understanding it - making upgrades to the package a challenge in the future
2022's pink Mercedes is for sure the green bull,basically a carbon copy of the red bull philosophy,but at Aston Martin they seem to have no idea how it works.going from high top ten times to p17-18 in 2 sessions...?
That was a great video and really shows how the ground effects concept for this year, is actually not right. The teams are starting to redirect to a hybrid of 2021 over body downforce and the new 2022 underbody downforce. Very interesting!
@@titancheat HAAS has an office at Maranello compared not exactly the same situation as Williams and Mercedes There's even rumours of Williams going back to Renault engines
Why? Albon is clearly the better driver, just here the package didn't seem to like rain and he was unlucky to get hit by Vettel causing the car to get smashed up
🏁Question of the Year!🏁 How long before Charles Leclerc becomes disillusioned with Ferrari and wants out? It's a fair question given that Mattia Binotto has become "Maurizio Arrivabene 2.0" to Leclerc's role as "Seb Vettel 2.0" but without all Seb's mistakes, with one strategy blunder after another and the reality of no end in sight, once again becoming business as usual with the Scuderia.
Theyve actually made the mistake NOW. They followed RB seeing that they have good downforce and no porpoising. Its not due to their philosophy but the plank flex exploit theyve been doing. I expect williams to be slightly more stable now but slower than they were before.
That may not be the only reason for reduced porpoising. If it was, Ferrari would be in a similar space. They aren't and porpoise all over. Both are fighting the TD.
How can you say the Mercedes way is wrong seeing as they are the 3rd fastest car and catching up to RB and Ferrari? What's more likely is Williams just don't know how to make it work
I'm Not so sure. When it comes out that both Ferrari and RB have to stiffen their Floor because of deflection, Mercedes will be in the game again with their current Design.
Merc is currently by far the third fastest team on the grid I don’t think they got it wrong. Hamilton had more pace than the Ferrari of Carlos through a lot of the last GP.
Mercedes have been innovators of the sport. Why would they copy any other team. Mercedes is the team to copy as history shows. It's still very early for the cars. I personally think the zero pod design is a winner. They just have other problems to sort out. No issue they are having is tied to the side pods design.
The main reason behind William's change of concept shows we don't need suspension changes for upcoming season(s) Concepts that rely predominantly on underbody downforce have to run low to the ground, something that results in bottoming out and excessive bouncing. Now that more treams are realizing their mistakes it would be unnecessary to make suspension changes. Mercedes will most likely stick to their concept and lobby for suspension changes so they can make it work consistently. Something F1 should notice and prevent from happening.
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This all honestly feels like further proof if it were needed that Williams has serious issues beyond budget. George Russel said that their car setup weekend to weekend was closer to a guessing game than a refined tuning process and you can absolutely see that here. They seem to have almost zero ability to consistently correlate design decisions with on-track results.
Understandable because the team keeps changing so much, three different team principals in three years. I think in a year or two, once Capito’s group is comfortable in F1, we’ll see them improving.
Would you give the new boss, Jost Capito, the men's butts discount?
Very well said.
With AM and Williams mid-season changes I think we can start seeing the design convergence now for the current era. And like the 2011-12, its Red Bull once again that became the center point of the convergence.
Yeah well most valuable man in F1 is at RB what do you expect if they have Newey. That man has been insane for a very very long time now
The man is also one of the few that have experienced ground effect cars back then
Adrian Newey is the savant of F1! Absolute genius!
@@malsmith2012 His designs have been winning races since 1991 that's 31 years and they still are, he's the best aero designer in F1 history!
Williams's biggest mistake actually is not upgrading the GOAT's car for Silverstone.
I genuinely don't understand why everyone making fun of him, let the man live. This whole Goatifi thing is just to make fun of him, no one actually likes him or thinks he's good...
and he gets to q3 without the upgraded version of the car
@@MDN1105 yes during wet/dry conditions, literally just right place right time.
@@WeAreNotAIone bro why are you disrespectijg the 🐐?
@@WeAreNotAIone Hamilton has 7 titles by being at the right place at the right time by that logic
Williams: consistently getting it wrong since 2017.
Which is kinda ironic being as they were the last 2 meter wide car to win the championship before the 2017 rules package.
They weren't good in 2016 either. They got the '98 rule changes wrong and have been wildly inconsistent throughout the 2000s.
@@alexpeak16 they didn't exactly get the regulations wrong in 98, after Newey departure the car didn't have a main designer so they used more or less the same car as 97 and Renault stopped the development of their engines so Williams had to use rebadged Mecachrome with 97 spec performance
@@Roxor.Z So it was more a case of being forced to stand still rather than getting it wrong?
@@alexpeak16 Kinda. The main problem of williams back then (and at some degree currently as well) was that they had a very poor management. They changed drivers every 2-3 seasons, their main engineers left due to not meeting the expectations and one of them being Newey who designed for them 5 championship winner cars. As they were on top of the world they thought that they could replace anybody. In 98 as they got screwed with Renault and without a car ready for the grooved tires they had no other option but stand still, from then onwards the only good decisions that they took were Montoya and the partnership with BMW which was the fastest engine but without enough aero (due to not retaining Newey).
I like how albon, who got the upgrades, didn’t get into q3 whilst g o a t I f I got into q3 without the upgrades
GOATifi is just that good
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I guess the package doesn't like rain, will have to see in Austria
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Yeah. I think everyone scratched their head at that one!
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@@Cloxxki Giovinazzi comes to mind...
@@zainstrikes_ coming last in FE is a major improvement
@@Boeing-ER-jy9vq how's he doing in FE?
@@zainstrikes_ how is gio doing in FE
@@thegreat0220 terrible lol
The williams old sidepod design is all the negatives of the mercedes design without any of the benefits. It exposes a lot of floor, so it cant be supported, and it creates a huge blockage to turn the air outwards and not allow for clean airflow to the rear.
Its interesting that mercedes have said they got the concept wrong: That is, they said they are moving away from running the car low and stiff, and have made floor updates and will bring suspension upgrades to raise the car to gain performance at higher ride heights. They did this without changing the sidepod shape, because theoretically, having no sidepods will still allow mass clean airflow to hit the rear wing and beam wing even in low speed. Currently the merc main weakness is in low speed and traction zones, mostly because they lack the mechanical grip due to running a stiff car. If they can bring upgrades that fix that, theyll be right in front again.
great analysis!
You know Mercedes’ are fastest in slower corners right?
@@alfred7350 do you have data/article link? Everything I’ve heard and read said Mercedes’ loses the most time in slow corners
@@alfred7350 i thought ferrari are the fastest?
I just wanna know how you know all this😂
@therace - there’s a basic concept in neuroscience called the two channel problem - the part of the brain that processes text reading is the same one that processes speech. PLEASE do not put long paragraph quotes on screen with a totally different narration. This is communication 101.
Interesting to know. I've always watched videos on this channel trying to follow the quotes on-screen and found my brain just failing to do so and feeling annoyed but now you've explained why with science. Thanks for this comment. Good to know since I'm a film producer myself.
I've always paused and read
Damn it Williams, upgrade the steering wheel already
lol ya I've always wondered why they were holding out on that.
I like it more ngl
@@welovefootball8563 Ya I've always guessed that maybe their logic is that if you are in a corner turning the steering wheel you shouldn't be looking at the screen anyways. Also, 100% of the time you should just know what gear you're in. I guess it's just a packaging thing. Maybe it's too expensive for Williams to develop a new steering wheel. I know they are one of the most cash limited teams.
It's actually cheaper to run the screen on the car
It's actually easier to drive the car with the steering wheel like that, it makes it lighter allowing you to turn the wheel side to side quicker. Also a driver isn't going to be looking at the wheel while they're turning, so there's no real point in putting the screen in the wheel itself, since if you're turning, the screen will be sideways to the driver.
Latifi already has a video game about him : GOAT simulator
Williams never ran ultra narrow sidepods they ran short sidepods exposing a lot of floor but they were never exceptionally narrow like the Merc they aren’t even smaller then Merc’s Barcelona testing sidepods
Latifi when still using old spec.
*Goat mode activated and make it into Q3*
Thinking about it, the trick that the teams used in F1's first Ground Effect era was maximising the length of the sidepods. These allowed for the venturi tunnels underneath to be used to their full potential. I wonder if lengthening the sidepods has the effect of enhancing the difference in pressure between the floor and the over body aerodynamics. If that is the case, then Mercedes, for once, got things dramatically wrong, hence why they've recorded their longest winless spell since 2013
except they are very close to being back in the race?
Forgetting about who got it wrong and who got it right, theirs absolutely no reason based on pure physics why the sidepods would have any effect on the effect of the venturi tunnels and why a team that has supposedly got it wrong is still comfortably third fastest and swiftly catching up.
@@Sr68720 given that they shook down the car there, they would have had some idea of how to minimise the porpoising at Silverstone
This is a classic case of group think. Because Majority of the grid has gone down the route of large sidepods with(out) downwash, and that happens to be the the top two fastest team (which have flexi floors) at the time, then it means that the large sidepod design in the correct one. Take a look at the Aston Martin team vs RBR. why hasn’t AMR closed the gap to the front since the barcelona update. large down washing sidepods isn’t the only solution to the 2022 regs. I highly doubt that Merc will change its concept as it will be a key differentiator in the long term when it comes to its development race over the next 3 years. it will probably non linear when compared to the other teams which can be a good but can also bite (*coughs* start of the season)
@@kebeiloesello9123 Aston have closed the gap quite significantly
Colors on the thumbnail make a really nice livery imo 😆 it's like an 80s miami theme
It goes with the *0s car they seem to be running
Sadly, they forgot to remove the wheel barrow handles
So have we stopped calling cars with big upgrade packages a B spec? Like given how much the Williams design has changed, is it not right to call this the FW-44B?
a b spec car is more of a car they had as a backup if it all went wrong kind of like *cough* aston. this is just natural development.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 uhhh the FW14B was definitely not a "back up"
@@MrFenrir1000 yeah i just said that...
It depends on the chassis. The general rule of thumb for what is considered a B spec car is that you cannot bolt on new parts to the A spec to make it a B spec. Usually this means a major change in wheel base, or suspension geometry. Behind all this new body work, Albons Williams still has the same bones as Latifis. You can take the new parts off Albons car, and bolt them onto Latifis. This is a different case than the new Aston Martin, which is a true B spec car that debuted in Spain. It has a whole new chassis that was homoligated. It is impossible to bolt on current new parts onto Astons Miami spec car, to create their Spain spec car.
Interesting video, I don't think it's always a case of "getting it wrong" or "screwing up". The problem F1 teams have now is no real testing. In the 90's they could design and make four or five sidepod designs, take them testing with a dedicated test team in Spain (for example) and see which one does the business. With the current way F1 works teams have to take more of a risk in what they think will translate from the windtunnel to the race track. Sometimes it works (Red Bull) and sometimes it doesn't (Mercedes). From there it's how you recover as a team, as above I think one of of the reasons why Williams were so dominant in the 90's was they had a dedicated test team that would be logging up 1,000's of miles whilst the race team would get the parts that worked. It's much more a case of how much of a risk you are willing to take now. Williams tried this solution and it didn't work for them, I'm hoping the new layout works better for them. As for the team being "hopeless". F1 is so so close on times now. Sometimes only a few seconds covering the grid. In the 80's or 90's it could be up to seven seconds covering all the cars. So if Williams can generate some extra performance they should be solid top ten material.
Though testing is much more limited these days, having unlimited private tests like in the past cost a whole lot of money, and for a sport that tries to be more cost efficient, it's not a good look if one or two teams are able to do thousands of kilometers of tests while other teams don't have the resources to do so
@@luscorpio3679 you could just provide a limited amount of kms to run to each team of the grid, would be even better inversely proportional to the classification this way if you are williams you run 1000km whereas if you are ferrari or redbull you have 100
@@stefanobuzzoni7414 It wouldn't work, because the cost of those testing runs would go against the cap anyway. It wouldn't be worth it for the top teams to set up such big tests for so little running (most teams run longer than 100kms in FP1 alone most weekends) and for the smaller teams, it's the cost that would prevent them from doing that
I feel like this video should've been made on the 2020 and 2021 Williams which was arguably much worse considering how mature the previous regulations were.
It's way too soon to say Williams got it completely wrong, especially when they're a much smaller team compared to the midfield. It was expected that Williams would struggle even with the largest amount of wind tunnel time.
I'm more disappointed with the Williams cars of the previous years.
The '18 and '19 cars were dogshit but I'd also say the 2011 and '13 cars were worse too.
I do hope this helps, always liked Williams.
I think they are on the right path. Next season could be interesting for williams.
It's good that they're moving from zeropods mid-season, so they'll have more time analysing wider sidepods design and adapting it for 2023. It's still new territory for them.
@@bigbaus7437 2023 will be a much more in line racing. I think the teams will be more onto what they can and can not do
Williams exist to keep their business surviving not to win ... that is why they fail. They have got so lost the only thing that will save them is being bought out by a car company as a cheaper way to get into F1
The answer ofcourse is no. Mercedes doesn't need to change their car concept because they have the FIA changing the cars of the other teams instead.
First neutralizing the ride heights and now banning parts of the floor on the RedBull and Ferrari.
Soon Merc will be the most dominant car again because it'll have the best concept wise due to the FIA ruining the other 9 team's concepts.
there we see the amount of hate merc gets simply for being better.
if merc was having these flexi floors a d it was catching the redbull, and then it got banned, then noone complains. yall just mad that merc r not backmarkers
befote pre testing i was genuinely convinced that williams would absolutely nail this years cars but well williams will always be williams
Williams wasn't always Williams, but yeah... I get ya.
as ever, great reporting and analysis
If they would've given the upgrade to Goatifi he would've won the race
It looks a lot better now too
I honestly dont think williams original design alligned with the mercs 0 pod concept. If that was their goal the “half “ did it
Really wished that they would be succeed under these new rules. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Who does the design’s for these cars? A human? A computer? Do teams use different computer programs? Or designer’s? What’s the source of these F1 car designs? Human?
The livery is my number one fav, very close second is alfa Romeo in Baku with the green white red
Williams is the team that I really want to do well but they just don’t seem to get it!
Same. I think it's because I grew watching Mansell, Hill etc.
Same wishes overhere as well.
I grew up with mighty BMW-Williams and super quick Montoya-Ralf driver combo. For me peak F1 is always Ferrari vs. McLaren vs. Williams. Three traditional F1 teams that are here for racing and racing only. Not this Red Bull-Mercedes toxic crap.
Albon was quite competitive in Silverstone practice sessions in the dry
FIA: "What did you change?" , Williams: "Yes"
not sure sometimes if top or bottom was new... maybe mention that. not everyone memorizes technical details of all the cars. THe later pics had this and were easier to follow
Funny how after so many years of teams trying to make their sidepods tiny, that’s not the way to go under these rules
The sidepods that work well are still small compared with previous years, the excessively small sidepods seem to be an issue.
I did say that Mercedes had it wrong with the sidepods and thought it would of gone conventional by or after Monaco.
It's safe to say the merc has a lot of potential but it's just incredibly difficult to get it right. If merc finally figure it out next year (which they probably will) no one will have the balls to copy them.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 Merc have figured out their problems, they also haven’t been bending the rules enough.
If you look at all the cars on the grid you have to say that the Mercedes’ is one of the cleanest in terms of manipulating the air flow and I’m certain this is going to pay dividends in the near future!
@@alfred7350 to be fair at first the merc was a very draggy car but now it’s a lot different. Once they find out how to raise the car and apply more downforce it’s all over. We might see Ferrari and redbull take a hit in performance at France with the new floor rules
Can we refer to this as the FW44B :)
Didn't Latifi lead qualifying with the older configuration? Hmmm
It’s a good thing we have budget and testing caps or Mercedes would have two different cars right now seeing whether they should copy red bull or stick to their own plan
Well, it seems Red Bull and Ferrari might have been doing something they shouldn't in the underfloor area as the latest Technical Directive shows.
You can talk alot of shit about Mercedes,but copying? Sorry but Mercedes is the most innovative team of the last decade...
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 i agree i like the smaller old school teams but the work Mercedes has done last 12? Years cant be denied same for redbull... i just really wish renault "alpine" had the balls to compete with the real brands.. give us more REAL teams.. i wish Honda or Toyota came back as a japanese speaking team that would be awesome
It's good to be different in your concept let's see how it will go
Old or new concept, it's a fine looking car tho. Wish it ran at the front so we could see it more.
Cant believe they calling THE GOAT a second driver!
It’s official; Size Zero-Pods are a design failure.
I fully expect Merc to lose them next season.
Except their not. Merc understand their design fully and at one point in Silverstone were faster than Ferrari. Its Williams who got it wrong not Merc
Also, the sidepods are sooo different, Williams was just normal but shortened, Merc is barely existent
Did you *not* see Hamilton get 3rd or something?
@@sgyt5224 if they did understand their car they would have fixed the porposing rather than have hamilton cry to the fia regarding "SAFETY ISSUES" to bring in changes that would negatively affect the leading team to get back the pace they lost .... its so funny because toto and russel i think have mention multiple times "we need understand the car" which clearly means they themselves cant fully understand the issue ...... is their design better and viable compare to williams yes but do they understand it fullly i doubt that .
A design failure shouldn't get you confortably in the third place of the Formula 1 championship. The Mercedes isn't as good as the Red bull and the Ferrari but it's clearly not a failure as you said
Question is: Did they have the same sort of x-chassis as Mercedes before and if yes, could they change it now to fill the newfound sidepod volume with radiators or do they now run around with a whole lot of empty volume and still high CoG?
One has to wonder how much the Williams pod-less design was influenced by Mercedes. Given that they use their engines, you have to wonder if someone said "well, we are building the engines for this type of design" and Williams just went with it. It seems to be showing to be a less than optimal design choice. Now with their bigger sidepods, it would appear that they are going down what is the more widely accepted solution.
Why is that even mercedes has the no sidepod design they can still compete and williams cannot?
I think because technically they are a superior team (of course), but mainly Mercedes has the facility to throw much more resources at the problem. Williams is probably a tenth of the size of Mercedes as well, haha. Some could say that Merc are being very stubborn. The solution is just work working and move on. Maybe if we didn't have the development costs cap they would be on their fourth or fifth sidepod treatment by now! :)
What video is this and why does it exist? Albon warm was horrid on the inter because his team waited so long to send him out and plus he didn’t even get a chance to show what the car is capable of because he crashed in the first lap that was out of his control.
Hope springs eternal.....but given their historical contribution I am hoping for them
Man it’s gonna be sad if with all this change will become illegal because of the flex of the bottom of the car, like Fer and RB, and they would have to redesign the car again after France…
It seems to me that the sidepods are a very little part of the cars performance. Looking at Aston Martin who are now running a similar concept, and it would seem like the sidepods have made no impact on their cars downforce or performance at all.
Astons racepace is over 1 sec quicker per lap compared to pre upgrade
@@M4RK_F Didn't they change a bunch of stuff at the same time though?
@@EchoMirage72 they did, check out te tech talk from Spain. But they have managed a 1 sec faster car with the same chassie, that is a massive improvment, and shows the potential in the right design. Heck, AM may be the 4th fastest car at the end of this season
Mercs side skirts look very susceptible to damage compared to using some of the body work for downforce
nice music in bg
whats the song playing at the last 20 seconds please
The embarassing thing is that if they were poor last season they should’ve been focusing on this year’s ca
After today's quali, I would say they are about where they were before. Albon is a little outside the points and Latifi is near the back.
I enjoy the tec videos, good job and thanks.
Too many egos at Mercedes for them to admit they got it wrong with the side pods.
Williams designers getting inspired: 🤔
🎶A little bit of Monica in my life
A little bit of Erica by my side
A little bit of Rita is all I need
A little bit of Tina is what I see🎶🏎️
Can you do a video about alpine Ferrari looking sidepods
I get the image of an old British Morgan everytime I see the Williams on track
The danger Williams face is turning into this year's version of the Pink Mercedes... I.e., copying a philosophy without fully understanding it - making upgrades to the package a challenge in the future
2022's pink Mercedes is for sure the green bull,basically a carbon copy of the red bull philosophy,but at Aston Martin they seem to have no idea how it works.going from high top ten times to p17-18 in 2 sessions...?
That was a great video and really shows how the ground effects concept for this year, is actually not right. The teams are starting to redirect to a hybrid of 2021 over body downforce and the new 2022 underbody downforce. Very interesting!
Merc testing ferrari/rb side pods with Williams?
Really?
@@AW-kv8te so are haas but inferences were made
A valid possibility.
@@titancheat HAAS has an office at Maranello compared not exactly the same situation as Williams and Mercedes
There's even rumours of Williams going back to Renault engines
So Williams just built an entire new car from the looks of it.
Great Video!
Williams need a major reshuffle or just call it quits.
Latifi should petition this team to give him the new parts At the next race instead of Albon
Why? Albon is clearly the better driver, just here the package didn't seem to like rain and he was unlucky to get hit by Vettel causing the car to get smashed up
🏁Question of the Year!🏁 How long before Charles Leclerc becomes disillusioned with Ferrari and wants out? It's a fair question given that Mattia Binotto has become "Maurizio Arrivabene 2.0" to Leclerc's role as "Seb Vettel 2.0" but without all Seb's mistakes, with one strategy blunder after another and the reality of no end in sight, once again becoming business as usual with the Scuderia.
That thumping, which may be percussion or some sort of music, is just too annoying and prominent to allow following the narration.
RB and Ferrari cars performance are all in the floor. Just make the floor flexible, and you'll close to them.
What you won't see on this channel is a video critical of Aston Martin or Stroll the Bully...
Is it a 'mercedes style' sidepod if Williams did it first?
Why no one copy ferrari tub sidepod besides Haas?
Theyve actually made the mistake NOW. They followed RB seeing that they have good downforce and no porpoising. Its not due to their philosophy but the plank flex exploit theyve been doing. I expect williams to be slightly more stable now but slower than they were before.
That may not be the only reason for reduced porpoising. If it was, Ferrari would be in a similar space. They aren't and porpoise all over. Both are fighting the TD.
How can you say the Mercedes way is wrong seeing as they are the 3rd fastest car and catching up to RB and Ferrari?
What's more likely is Williams just don't know how to make it work
Mercedes has too much pride to admit defeat and scrap the narrow sidpods this season. But next season i bet they will copy RedBull/Ferrari
I'm Not so sure. When it comes out that both Ferrari and RB have to stiffen their Floor because of deflection, Mercedes will be in the game again with their current Design.
Merc is currently by far the third fastest team on the grid I don’t think they got it wrong. Hamilton had more pace than the Ferrari of Carlos through a lot of the last GP.
Mercedes have been innovators of the sport. Why would they copy any other team. Mercedes is the team to copy as history shows. It's still very early for the cars. I personally think the zero pod design is a winner. They just have other problems to sort out. No issue they are having is tied to the side pods design.
Remember all, Mercedes started that some teams did their car completely wrong (pointing at Ferrari) because their idea was wrong
Williams already has an S. Meaning it would be Williams' big mistake
As long as latifi is driving Williams is limited.
The main reason behind William's change of concept shows we don't need suspension changes for upcoming season(s)
Concepts that rely predominantly on underbody downforce have to run low to the ground, something that results in bottoming out and excessive bouncing.
Now that more treams are realizing their mistakes it would be unnecessary to make suspension changes.
Mercedes will most likely stick to their concept and lobby for suspension changes so they can make it work consistently.
Something F1 should notice and prevent from happening.
And to think that all those new parts went kaboom.
Mercedes doesn‘t run „ultra narrow sidepods“, they run no sidepod at all
Merc not dropping the narrow sidepots is the most toxic relationship i've ever seen
Biggest mistake was not giving it to Latifi so he can do his thing with it.
Is it me or the Williams' pillot's head is a little unprotected? Like it's literally above the halo
Great video. It looks like the car is running more forward rake ? . Possibly because of the raised height it’s more noticeable .
Just let them run the FW14B and be done with it
My American brain thinks doritos. Everytime dorilton ad comes up
The sidepods aren’t what makes the difference it’s the plank
I almost feel bad for Williams.....almost
Williams gaining a second is like saying Mercedes has P3 quaily pace
Merc said TRY THIS FOR US CUS WE GIVE YOU STUFF
Imagine Williams get it right and beat Aston Martin to P9 this year, think Seb would either leave AMR or maybe even retire if they finish last.
These advertisements are getting annoying. I literally subscribed for the news of Formula One. The channel wants subscribers to market to other vendors!
Williams: "our biggest mistake was been too much unlike red bull".
DALTON CAPITAL ONLY DID THIS SO-CALLED UPDATE TO KEEP SOME SPOTLIGHT ON THE WILLIAMS F1 TEAM, SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO SELL THE TEAM NOBODY CAN SAY THEY WERE NOT HEAVILY INVESTING IN THE TEAM. THIS IS WHY THEY ONLY BROUGHT FORTH ONE CAR BECAUSE ITS ALL JUST PUBLICITY THESE TEAMS ARE GOING UP IN WORTH EVERY DAY!!!!
Code masters comment section for the next 8 months: WHERES THE WILLIAMS AND THE ASTON MARTIN UPDATES TO THE CARS
The new car looks faster so it is a good sign.
Mercedes doesn’t need to change their concept. They’ll get the fia to change theirs.
Doriton should take the opportunity and sell the team to Audi
the qualy session was kinda terrible actually :/
Goatifi will be world champion now