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Also, the scope is zeroed for 223 ammo. the hits with 22LR are not that far off. You will notice at 4:47 the Velocitor ammo is hitting where my 223 is sighted.
I have a 1:7 twist and it's pretty close to these groups. I'd say those groups would be 20-25yd though. Not sure why some people complain or get worse. I can take any rabbit out about 30+ yards, and that's good enough for my expectations in the event I have to use it for something useful. .
Glad to find this comment. I got my barreled upper with a 1:7 before I understood the effect of twist rate, and I was concerned it would be too fast for 22 plinking. What 22lr ammo are you getting the best results with?
I wanted one of these for years. Several years back, Bass Pro had them in stock so I drove there to get one and they had one on the shelf. I think it was around $175-$200. I took it to the cashier and noticed the bcg was missing from the package, the 2 or 3 mags were in there but the bcg had been stolen. I finally ordered one online last year. I wish I had gotten one years ago, I could’ve saved thousands by shooting .22 long rifle out of my ar’s while plinking instead of .223 or 5.56. I have no accuracy issues either.
I got two of these for both my AR's. My wife loves it because the rifle has zero kick, however, after shooting your 22LR rounds, I recommend shooting a few 556 rounds to clean out your rifle because the 22LR rounds really dirty up your rifle.
You should just clean the whole rifle internal system after shooting 22lr through it. I wouldn’t actually run 556 through it after as you could compact carbon into your barrel grooves. At least run a snake with some clip through the barrel first. Think of it like a car, just because it’s been 100,000 miles since you changed the oil and it’s still running. Doesn’t mean it’s good! Same with your rifle. Just because it’s still shooting doesn’t mean your not damaging or prematurely wearing parts. For instance. I used to clean my guns after every time I took them shooting. And then one day I decided to see just how long I could not clean it and if anything happened. It all worked well until the gas rings on my bcg disintegrated from carbon build up and wear. I wanted a new bcg anyways but like I told a gun smith and he said “In 30 years, in and out of the military and multiple combat deployments and I never saw that happen” now I’m back to constantly cleaning my shit lol.
Cci standard is an exelent round, most accurate out of all my 22's and great suppressed. Also you would think the higher velocity would be better with the lower twist in a 5.56 barrel at about half the rate as 22lr barrells. Great vid!
Slower heavier bullets work better in AR barrels. I think you're confusing lower and slower. Normal 22lr barrel twist is 1:16" meaning the bullet travels 16" to make one full rotation. Standard NATO 5.56 (.223) barrel twist is 1:7" meaning bullet travels 7" to make one full rotation. So .223 barrel spins the bullet double the rate of as a 22lr barrel, not half.
Nice adapter to have to get you thru the tough times....Around the world with the ammo as nice variety tested and some really good results....Good stuff....
I use the 60gr Aguila SSS (Sniper SubSonic) in mine, and they perform very well. And they are extremely quiet, even without a suppressor, when I use my 24” barrel.
Do they do any kind of damage to the barrel? I have a 24" barrel and I have been trying to work up to a more accurate reload and don't want to screw up the barrel for my longer distance .223 shooting.
My experience with the adapter was also good. Decent accuracy, worked with a variety of ammo. Only the Remington Golden Bullet gave me feeding problems, smashing and bending the bullet.
Mine cycles fine with the golden bullets? Interestingly my 16" carbine shoots them quite accurately, my 24" bull barrel not so much, it seems to like the 40gr solids better for some reason, as far as overall accuracy, they are good for about 50 yards beyond that the accuracy falls off.
Great vid bro, I've been on the fence about these, but not anymore due to your vid. As others have said in the comments, maybe you could make another vid with the AGUILA 60 gr rds, an let us see some real world testing with those, thx for the vid.
You better check your barrel twist. His is 1:9. A 1:7 16" barrel will shoot between orange and kantelope sized groups at 25yds unless using very heavy slow bullets likes aguilla 60gr SSS.
You should get it with the better mag adapter. You can use the much better s&w mags and have a true bolt hold/release. I’ve had one for the past several years and love it. Made shooting .22s so much fun.
I was trying one of these in my 10.5" PSA pistol last weekend. Accuracy was fine for practice but the POI was way off. When things calm down I'm going to order another PSA kit for a dedicated .22lr. I also tried out the Boonie Packer M&P15-22 mag adapter. That thing is pretty cool.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I was running Remington Golden Bullets. I see some people complaining about them so I figured if it'll run those it'll run anything. Plus it's what I had.
A lot of the accuracy comes with twist rate. 1:7 doesn’t like much lighter than the 55. The 1:81:9 and 1:12s will like the lighter stuff more. Just my thoughts
Had one of these in the past, the problem I've heard was that the gas block would eventually get dirty with how dirty 22LR is specially non-copper plated ammo, people said they'd need to clean their gas block every 1000 shots or so to not risk having it clogged, not sure if that's true.
Dude... I’m mad jealous at your grouping skills with the CMMG conv kit. Running a 10.5” 1:7 stabilized with a bipod, standard mil-spec triggerlooking through a Ronin 1x30 RDS, co-witnessed with Matech BUIS, 25 yard indoor range - my best group is 0.45” with an average of 1”. That makes my best 5 shot group 1.8 MOA with an average of 4. You likely managed to get an average MOA 1-1.5. Your groups looked perfect except for one flyer. One flyer. In like 200 rounds fired. My man, your rifle mechanics and trigger squeeze are flawless. Kudos. Is your trigger mil-spec, drop-in, or some Geiselle god-mode super trigger? My understanding is CMMG conversion kits will give you 4 MOA under ideal circumstances with a 5.56mm barrel. Apparently they are capable of much better. What’s your MOA accuracy with 55&62gr ammo?
Lol thanks for the good words. The trigger is factory smith and Wesson. And honestly, I have not shot for groups with this rifle yet. Only zeroed it for the scope
With the ubiquitous 1 in 7 twist, I get about a 20 inch group at 10 yards. It's literally less accurate than a smooth bore musket. That's with CCI Mini Mags.
I have the CMMG Bravo kit just like the video, I found the same thing you did Beasty Baiter2 with my 1 in 7 twist BCM 11-1/2. Switched to my ol' 1 in 9 twist Bushmaster 14.5 and things got a little better with the first group of ammo he tried in the video.
First time ever using a rifle was two months ago. Using .223 and .22lr with conversion kit at 25 yards on a 16" barrel 1:7.... all landed on target and that with the rifle sight not being adjusted, right out of the box and assembled. 20" groups at 10 yards is astounding to read.
@@AdventuresofAwesomeJoe It's rifle dependent, I have another upper with a 1:7 twist and it gets 5" group at 50 yards. Still absolutely trash, but it's not nearly as bad as with the first upper I tried. I ended up buying a dedicated 22LR upper and that solved the problem.
@@GrendalTheBeastyi don’t get what you expect lol go buy a dedicated .22lr barrel and stop complaining lol the point of swapping this bcg into any 1/7 ar you have laying around is to get reps in not to plink for accuracy 💀 fucking re re
It's pretty good from a pistol. I ended up buying a buffer plug, that improved to the point it shoots the same as 5.56. Only thing is it gets the gas tube dirty, but there are products that cover the gas tube so no kaka gets inside.
I've always wondered why these kits don't come in 22WMR. I would think the the copper jacket would be an improvement over .22 lead bullets. My AR is 1 in 9 twist but not sure what twist rates are used for 22LR or 22mag.
If i had to guess, it would be that 22WMR is a smaller diameter bullet. The accuracy wouldnt be all that great since the bullet wouldnt be grabbed by the rifling as it should. The 22WMR is also a much faster cartridge with the bullet being copper which is harder than lead used for 22LR. I would imagine that combination of factors would possibly damage the barrel over time as the 22WMR bullet rams into the rifling of the 223 barrel. Thats just my scientific wild ass guess, tho.
Thank you this is the information I needed. CMMG says these conversion kits should not use lead toped ammo, but only the copper plated. I am glad to see you proved them wrong. Assuming you did not have any bad lead fouling of your barrel?
CMMG recommends using copper jacketed bullets only so that there will be no fouling of the gas port as might occur using exposed lead bullets. I just ordered one of these and haven't gotten mine yet, but when I do, I think I will stick with the manufacturer's recommendation. I'm not keen on clearing a gas port.
have a question,,,is it wise to use plated bullets ? since it is conversion you still have your gas tube/block ( not dedicated .22lr blowback) and .22lr's are greasy/led bullets,,,,or it does not matter,,,? thanks,,,
whats your barrel length and twist? out of my 18" 223 wylde 1/8 twist can barely keep it on paper at 50 with almost every grain weight. Im assuming the extra velocity from the longer combined with the faster twist, Im just spinning the 22lr too fast. Im curious of how it would do out of 7.5 upper since the velocity would make the spin a little slower...
It most definitely does. Imagine the difference of throwing a frisbee or a roof shingle. The frisbee is heavier and stable therfore more control as opposed to the light weight of a roof shingle would go far but out of control. Based on the theory that they are both thrown with the same strength.
@@mdees88 thanks, i’ve never seen that stuff for sale, I have Delaware Cabela’s close to me there’s really not much ammo to be found except for delivery morning and luck. Does that 60 grain 22 Long rifle stuff cycle?
Hey I may have missed it but what is ur rifle? a Spike's Upper and Lower? Barrel? also if you had to guess, what shot was the flier in every group? 1st shot, 2nd, or what? Im wondering if its ur 1st shot before tou get on target maybe
Bro your video isn't good its perfect you gave info on every product including what magnification you had your scope set at everything I wanted to know was covered keep up the good work brother
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If it's 1:7" twist barrel it will always have poor accuracy unless using the 60gr augilas. He was using a 1:9" twist barrel which is why he was getting good accuracy.
Nice test!!! How do you think Aguilla 60gr subsonic would do in the 1-9? I would think ok just wonder if it would cycle???? Thanks for your time...........
@@williammccaslin8527 Ill definitely be doing another video on those soon.. I like the theory that they are the closest to 223/556 grain weight at sub sonic velocities. stay tuned.
@@williammccaslin8527 60gr Aguilas are the only 22s that group good out of my 1:7" 16" barrel but every other bullet he shot grouped like crap. 1:7 twist is too fast. He was shooting 1:9 twists which works quite well with most 22lrs.
I have a stock 16” barrel db15. I’ve tried finding info on if it has a notched or round hammer. I looked at this product and it recommends round hammer for function and safety. Do you know where I could find out if mines notched or round?
If you look at the face of your hammer (the arear that hits the firing pin) A notched hammer will have what looks like a raised plateau on its face. A round hammer will be without this protrusion. Hit this link and scroll to the 3 or 4th post for a pic comparison : www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/jam-o-matic/15-756531/
Too bad there is no .22 lr ammo available to shoot. When I was a kid back in the 1960's you could buy a box of 22 ammo at the local hardware store anytime. Conversion kits in .22 lr are a great idea, I hope someday there will be ammo available for them.....
you have to frequent the box stores that carry ammo often. try and catch them the morning of the delivery trucks. I just bought 1000 rds of 22LR and 500 rds of 556 from my local Academy sports.. It takes dedication, but you will at least have the opportunity, eventually.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Went to Cabelas in Tualatin Oregon a couple of weeks ago. Not one box of 22 lr ammo. Last year they had tons of all ammo, no limits, some on sale for $20/ for 500 rds. 9mm ammo for 8.99 box of 50 brass case FMJ. I heard some talk that the same ammo is going for $30-50 a box on the black market, if one can call it that. Its just like ammo companies stopped making ammo.
@@alfontana6242 they are still crankin ammo, but everyone and their mom are buying guns and ammo right now. you have the Covid, the election, the riots, and the Biden threats. Combine that all together and you have a shortage of ammo... and toilet paper..
We aren’t allowed cans here in IL.. one day I’ll move to America, and when I do, I won’t hesitate to put a can on here. The bullet is stabilized in the barrel to make great groups on paper, tells me it will work like any 22LR rifle
Am I the only one that get flyers everywhere out of my rifle ? It’s not consistent with point of aim point of impact. I’m using a 1/9 twist 16 inch 556 barrel
@@ramennoodleshaawty oiling the chamber of the adapter shouldnt impact accuracy after the first few shots... As for suppressed, I cant say as i live in IL. and we arent allowed such luxuries.. id try some different ammo, possibly.
Welcome to the gun world. Its good to have you. It will be a bit more dirty when cleaning your rifle after using this adapter, since 22LR is a little more dirty round. The barrel will collect lead in the rifling like any 22LR barrel does, while using this adapter. After shooting with this adapter, switch back to the 223/556 bolt and magazine to fire a couple rounds. The copper jacket of the 223/556 bullet, along with the pressure will rid the barrel of the lead build up. So to shorten this all up to answer your question. No. It will not hurt your rifle with usage, and if anything, is less wear and tear on your rifle than with using 223/556.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I already sent it back.. the mount is trash instead of cutting the threads into the metal of the mount they cut it into a piece polymer and glued that into the mount... someone should come out with a better mount because it is a great idea
Any experience with pushing the distance to 50 yds? 100 yds? I was leaning towards getting a dedicated .22lr upper but now I may just get this adapter.
I decided to go with a dedicated .22lr upper from BCA. With it I can hit a 4" steel disk from 137 yds 10 out of 10 times. 50 yds on paper I get between 1 and 4 MOA depending on the ammo I use.
@@mountainairgunner2067 not bad, . Yeah BCA has a pretty good price on their complete uppers. I think this adapter aligns more with people that want the ability to shoot 22 LR with their rifle on the fly. Its small size/ weight allow it to be packed without even noticing its there. Something to throw in a bag on an overland trip, allowing the ability to gather small game if need be. Or for the person who has a lot of money in their upper and the optics on it. This adapter allows them to utilize all of that without breaking the bank, and swap right back to 556 on the same upper.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel all good points. What made me decide against the adapter is gas port fouling since when I shoot .22lr I tend to shoot a lot of it.
First - people need to stop shooting AR's on the bench. It's a battle rifle, not a bolt action. Off-hand capabilities for the average shooter is about 8 moa or so. if you're hardware is less than that it's all that really matters.
It's not a proprietary magazine... It's not even their design. In fact, the entire conversion is a rip off of the Ceiner kits that have been around since 1984.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Yep... The CMMG conversion magazine is the same design used in the CMMG dedicated 22 upper, Sig 522, Chiappa M4-22, Keltech PLR-22 and SU-22, Spikes Tactical/Trinity Force ST-22, Plinker Arms AR22, ATI Tac22, and probably a half dozen other factory guns, and all ARs that use the "Ceiner" style conversions...
You really can’t say they are useless, when my test shows at 35 yards, it’s dime size accuracy. You’re right there’s no need to step back to 50yards, as you can see what that may translate to at that distance. But yeah, get a 22rifle if you want to shoot, but then you missed the point of this adapter. To be able to train with your AR, to have the versatility, to have the ammo, to have the fun, all in one gun.
I spent an hour in line the other day, at academy in hopes to find 9mm ammo for videos, and guess what,?.. they ran out before i got to the counter.. WTF fairy tale land do you really think this is. Im no different from you, or any other poor SOB trying to buy ammo.
The system is pretty cool, but I will say I have had several out of battery detonations with mine. Please let me know if anyone else has similar experiences.
Distance was 35yards.. Dont think i mentioned it in the video.
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Also, the scope is zeroed for 223 ammo. the hits with 22LR are not that far off. You will notice at 4:47 the Velocitor ammo is hitting where my 223 is sighted.
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What twist rate was on the barrel. Mine has a 1:7 twist rate.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel what is your 223 zeroed at? 55, 62 or other grain round?
@@MorrisOutdoors98 55g at 100yards
I have a 1:7 twist and it's pretty close to these groups. I'd say those groups would be 20-25yd though. Not sure why some people complain or get worse. I can take any rabbit out about 30+ yards, and that's good enough for my expectations in the event I have to use it for something useful. .
Glad to find this comment. I got my barreled upper with a 1:7 before I understood the effect of twist rate, and I was concerned it would be too fast for 22 plinking. What 22lr ammo are you getting the best results with?
I have a 1:9 and I’m getting it mainly for close target practice to save 556 ammo. But it would be cool if it works well enough for small game too.
I'm not worried with tight accuracy. I'm trying to train running drills, Using my rifle. On the cheap.
^This guy gets it. People shooting AR's off a bench whining about accuracy need punched.
My Cmmg kit loves the Aguila Sniper Sub Sonics…..
And Federal automatch
I wanted one of these for years. Several years back, Bass Pro had them in stock so I drove there to get one and they had one on the shelf. I think it was around $175-$200. I took it to the cashier and noticed the bcg was missing from the package, the 2 or 3 mags were in there but the bcg had been stolen.
I finally ordered one online last year. I wish I had gotten one years ago, I could’ve saved thousands by shooting .22 long rifle out of my ar’s while plinking instead of .223 or 5.56. I have no accuracy issues either.
I got two of these for both my AR's. My wife loves it because the rifle has zero kick, however, after shooting your 22LR rounds, I recommend shooting a few 556 rounds to clean out your rifle because the 22LR rounds really dirty up your rifle.
You should just clean the whole rifle internal system after shooting 22lr through it. I wouldn’t actually run 556 through it after as you could compact carbon into your barrel grooves. At least run a snake with some clip through the barrel first. Think of it like a car, just because it’s been 100,000 miles since you changed the oil and it’s still running. Doesn’t mean it’s good! Same with your rifle. Just because it’s still shooting doesn’t mean your not damaging or prematurely wearing parts. For instance. I used to clean my guns after every time I took them shooting. And then one day I decided to see just how long I could not clean it and if anything happened. It all worked well until the gas rings on my bcg disintegrated from carbon build up and wear. I wanted a new bcg anyways but like I told a gun smith and he said “In 30 years, in and out of the military and multiple combat deployments and I never saw that happen” now I’m back to constantly cleaning my shit lol.
@@bwalters9762 Good advice thanks!
Cci standard is an exelent round, most accurate out of all my 22's and great suppressed. Also you would think the higher velocity would be better with the lower twist in a 5.56 barrel at about half the rate as 22lr barrells. Great vid!
Slower heavier bullets work better in AR barrels. I think you're confusing lower and slower. Normal 22lr barrel twist is 1:16" meaning the bullet travels 16" to make one full rotation. Standard NATO 5.56 (.223) barrel twist is 1:7" meaning bullet travels 7" to make one full rotation. So .223 barrel spins the bullet double the rate of as a 22lr barrel, not half.
5.56 have a faster twist than .22lr
Nice adapter to have to get you thru the tough times....Around the world with the ammo as nice variety tested and some really good results....Good stuff....
right on, Scott!
Better than expected, and nice that the rifle ran on CCI Standard. Thanks for the video!
Thanks! I dont think ive had any rifles have any troubles with cycling CCI standard velocity. Its good stuff all the way around.
I have one of the CMMG conversion units for the my AR. My best accuracy is with Aguila, 60 grain, Super Sniper ammo.
definitely gonna give that a try!
Good accuracy but really dirty and hard to find
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel did you ever try it? Thinking of getting one of these. Time for a revisit video with heavier rounds?
I use the 60gr Aguila SSS (Sniper SubSonic) in mine, and they perform very well. And they are extremely quiet, even without a suppressor, when I use my 24” barrel.
Right on, I had them lined up for testing but failed to bring them with me that day lol
24 feet, eh? Guess it would be pretty darn quiet, haha
Do they do any kind of damage to the barrel? I have a 24" barrel and I have been trying to work up to a more accurate reload and don't want to screw up the barrel for my longer distance .223 shooting.
@@VCBird624" is inches. Feet would be 24'
The look on a DNRs face when he'd check your squirrel license
My experience with the adapter was also good. Decent accuracy, worked with a variety of ammo. Only the Remington Golden Bullet gave me feeding problems, smashing and bending the bullet.
Mine cycles fine with the golden bullets? Interestingly my 16" carbine shoots them quite accurately, my 24" bull barrel not so much, it seems to like the 40gr solids better for some reason, as far as overall accuracy, they are good for about 50 yards beyond that the accuracy falls off.
Wish RUclips didn’t hide this from me for so long! Specifically searched for this many times. Excellent video. New sub!
Thank you! RUclips sucks now. As a guy tuberof ten years, our days are numbered here.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I think rumble is possibly a viable temporary fix until the money end catches up better over there.
I watch all of your adapter vids. great info and very entertaining. Thanks.
Thank you! and im glad you enjoy them!
Great vid bro, I've been on the fence about these, but not anymore due to your vid. As others have said in the comments, maybe you could make another vid with the AGUILA 60 gr rds, an let us see some real world testing with those, thx for the vid.
I’ve had a old conversation, not cmmg , I’ve found it to be very accurate!
The steel mags work , the aftermarket plastic mags not so much !
I love to shoot!
Shooting has gotten so expensive the cmmg adapter has made it more affordable THANX for your content
I’m waiting for mine to get delivered
Very interesting, this came out in time, looking at the CCMG .22 LR kit for my rifle, thx for the vid.
Right on man, I have a link with coupon code in the description box of this video if you decide.
been looking into one of these but was concerned about accuracy for small game thanks for the video!!!
Definitely capable of small game accuracy!
You better check your barrel twist. His is 1:9. A 1:7 16" barrel will shoot between orange and kantelope sized groups at 25yds unless using very heavy slow bullets likes aguilla 60gr SSS.
@@mdees88 yea i was wondering about that!!!
You should get it with the better mag adapter. You can use the much better s&w mags and have a true bolt hold/release. I’ve had one for the past several years and love it. Made shooting .22s so much fun.
I was trying one of these in my 10.5" PSA pistol last weekend. Accuracy was fine for practice but the POI was way off. When things calm down I'm going to order another PSA kit for a dedicated .22lr.
I also tried out the Boonie Packer M&P15-22 mag adapter. That thing is pretty cool.
In my PSA 10 inch, CCI standard velocity was the closest to poi with my 223 ammo zero.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I was running Remington Golden Bullets. I see some people complaining about them so I figured if it'll run those it'll run anything. Plus it's what I had.
A lot of the accuracy comes with twist rate. 1:7 doesn’t like much lighter than the 55. The 1:8 1:9 and 1:12s will like the lighter stuff more. Just my thoughts
you might be right on the money.
that "lost" round at the end...that was great lol
theres always one 22LR round that get sacrificed to the range, every trip lol
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Planting a Seed of Freedom.
Though at today's ammo prices, I was almost expecting you to pry up the deck boards.
@@tc6818 lol I might have to go back now and see if I can make a full box of ammo lol
Well done 👍
Its good maybe the faster twist in your ar, then gets dirty throwing the bullets of the latter bullets, do it at 50 yards plus cleaning your barrel.
I might do another test some time.
Nice thorough video as always, thanks .
Right on Greg, thanks!
Had one of these in the past, the problem I've heard was that the gas block would eventually get dirty with how dirty 22LR is specially non-copper plated ammo, people said they'd need to clean their gas block every 1000 shots or so to not risk having it clogged, not sure if that's true.
Those stingers and velocitors seem to be really accurate out of these cmmg conv kits
thanks was debating on getting a kit
its good stuff! Check the link in the description box of this video for optics planet with coupon code if you decide to get one!
Great video!
Looks like some ammo is minute of chipmunk at 35 yards.
You done good, boy.
Thank you, sir.
Dude... I’m mad jealous at your grouping skills with the CMMG conv kit. Running a 10.5” 1:7 stabilized with a bipod, standard mil-spec triggerlooking through a Ronin 1x30 RDS, co-witnessed with Matech BUIS, 25 yard indoor range - my best group is 0.45” with an average of 1”. That makes my best 5 shot group 1.8 MOA with an average of 4. You likely managed to get an average MOA 1-1.5. Your groups looked perfect except for one flyer. One flyer. In like 200 rounds fired. My man, your rifle mechanics and trigger squeeze are flawless. Kudos. Is your trigger mil-spec, drop-in, or some Geiselle god-mode super trigger? My understanding is CMMG conversion kits will give you 4 MOA under ideal circumstances with a 5.56mm barrel. Apparently they are capable of much better. What’s your MOA accuracy with 55&62gr ammo?
Lol thanks for the good words. The trigger is factory smith and Wesson. And honestly, I have not shot for groups with this rifle yet. Only zeroed it for the scope
Great video and great info! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
What I thought I had to get a new upper and a new buffer spring for 22lr!
They sell a buffer plug for it.
With the ubiquitous 1 in 7 twist, I get about a 20 inch group at 10 yards. It's literally less accurate than a smooth bore musket. That's with CCI Mini Mags.
I have the CMMG Bravo kit just like the video, I found the same thing you did Beasty Baiter2 with my 1 in 7 twist BCM 11-1/2. Switched to my ol' 1 in 9 twist Bushmaster 14.5 and things got a little better with the first group of ammo he tried in the video.
The 1:9 twist is the key to accuracy. I have a 16 inch 1:9 and I get terrific groups
First time ever using a rifle was two months ago. Using .223 and .22lr with conversion kit at 25 yards on a 16" barrel 1:7.... all landed on target and that with the rifle sight not being adjusted, right out of the box and assembled.
20" groups at 10 yards is astounding to read.
@@AdventuresofAwesomeJoe It's rifle dependent, I have another upper with a 1:7 twist and it gets 5" group at 50 yards. Still absolutely trash, but it's not nearly as bad as with the first upper I tried. I ended up buying a dedicated 22LR upper and that solved the problem.
@@GrendalTheBeastyi don’t get what you expect lol go buy a dedicated .22lr barrel and stop complaining lol the point of swapping this bcg into any 1/7 ar you have laying around is to get reps in not to plink for accuracy 💀 fucking re re
Did have to use bore buddy on this
oh yeah baby
Very informative i appreciate. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Suprising groups out a 223. Wounder how they would fair out my 7.5 inch🤔
It's pretty good from a pistol. I ended up buying a buffer plug, that improved to the point it shoots the same as 5.56. Only thing is it gets the gas tube dirty, but there are products that cover the gas tube so no kaka gets inside.
@@hondasaurusrex6998 or if you have an adjustable gas block, you could simply turn it off.
I've always wondered why these kits don't come in 22WMR. I would think the the copper jacket would be an improvement over .22 lead bullets. My AR is 1 in 9 twist but not sure what twist rates are used for 22LR or 22mag.
If i had to guess, it would be that 22WMR is a smaller diameter bullet. The accuracy wouldnt be all that great since the bullet wouldnt be grabbed by the rifling as it should. The 22WMR is also a much faster cartridge with the bullet being copper which is harder than lead used for 22LR. I would imagine that combination of factors would possibly damage the barrel over time as the 22WMR bullet rams into the rifling of the 223 barrel. Thats just my scientific wild ass guess, tho.
Interesting!
I've heard good things about it
its all true!
Thanks that was a fun video..
and the end had me rolling..😆
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you this is the information I needed. CMMG says these conversion kits should not use lead toped ammo, but only the copper plated. I am glad to see you proved them wrong. Assuming you did not have any bad lead fouling of your barrel?
not that i have noticed. I clear it out as recommended, with 3 rounds of copper jacket 556.
CMMG recommends using copper jacketed bullets only so that there will be no fouling of the gas port as might occur using exposed lead bullets. I just ordered one of these and haven't gotten mine yet, but when I do, I think I will stick with the manufacturer's recommendation. I'm not keen on clearing a gas port.
I have one of those conversion kits, (10 rd Commiefornia mags). My wife likes shooting it more than I do.
It really is such a great little item to have.
Great vid !!!!!!
Thanks, Matt!
looks like Murphy was hanging out there at the end,😃....other wise good shootin
Hahah I thought you guys might like that
Great video! Might want to try a buffer tube plug along with the adapter for those who have poor accuracy from the rifle.
thanks for share your video. i
I have NEVER seen that Federal “match” .22LR group in any rifle!!
My go to anymore is the CCI Standard velocity. I dont think CCI SV has ever let me down.
useful.....good
have a question,,,is it wise to use plated bullets ? since it is conversion you still have your gas tube/block ( not dedicated .22lr blowback) and .22lr's are greasy/led bullets,,,,or it does not matter,,,? thanks,,,
My concern is how dirty 22 lr tends to be, and wear & tear on my 556. Do you find this to be a problem?
I would like to see this test at 50 yrs or 100
That video is coming soon
what is the pirate patch that you have on the side of your AR ?? Link to product please
What about 1 7 twist
What if the AR is a 22 caliber ( for example the m16 cal .22) is it capable of shooting 223 or 5.56 x 42 bullets?
Why dint you bump it up to double the distance?
whats your barrel length and twist? out of my 18" 223 wylde 1/8 twist can barely keep it on paper at 50 with almost every grain weight. Im assuming the extra velocity from the longer combined with the faster twist, Im just spinning the 22lr too fast. Im curious of how it would do out of 7.5 upper since the velocity would make the spin a little slower...
Their website says the kits aren't recommended for 223 Wylde in general.
Great video!
Will I be able to use this conversion for a stainless-steel barrel chambered in 223 Wylde?
Thx William
Yes
Can you use this with a ar chambered in .223 Wilde ?
Did you have to resight the scope when you switch from the main bolt carrier to the conversion?
Hey Pete,yes i had to big time
Yes. +12 moa
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I wonder if that test would change with a 1/7 versus your 1/9? Great vid thanks
It most definitely does. Imagine the difference of throwing a frisbee or a roof shingle. The frisbee is heavier and stable therfore more control as opposed to the light weight of a roof shingle would go far but out of control. Based on the theory that they are both thrown with the same strength.
No comparison at all. The 60gr Aguilas were the only bullets that grouped tightly out of my 1:7 16" barrel.
@@mdees88 thanks, i’ve never seen that stuff for sale, I have Delaware Cabela’s close to me there’s really not much ammo to be found except for delivery morning and luck. Does that 60 grain 22 Long rifle stuff cycle?
Hey I may have missed it but what is ur rifle? a Spike's Upper and Lower? Barrel? also if you had to guess, what shot was the flier in every group? 1st shot, 2nd, or what? Im wondering if its ur 1st shot before tou get on target maybe
Thats just a smith and wesson M&P sport 2.. I havnt paid much attention to what order the fliers are
hello you can in any model of ar15 for example I have an m&p sport 2 I await your answer thanks
It will work with your rifle
Bro your video isn't good its perfect you gave info on every product including what magnification you had your scope set at everything I wanted to know was covered keep up the good work brother
Right on, thanks man
I like your set up looks really nice. HEY NICE VIDEO BY THE WAY. Fumble is a common thing, I seen it happen to best, even monkeys fall out of trees your video was informative as well as entertaining Hahahaha.
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right on man! Thanks!! I was once told, if you arent screwing up once in a while, then you arent working hard.
Mine has horrible accuracy but I guess I’ll have to try more ammo.
If it's 1:7" twist barrel it will always have poor accuracy unless using the 60gr augilas. He was using a 1:9" twist barrel which is why he was getting good accuracy.
What kind of end cap is that on your scope? It adds to the look of the scope! 👍🏻
Its the Trybe defense Magnifier, here ya go: ruclips.net/video/P8xD2w2nefA/видео.html
Sweet thank you! 👍🏻
Nice test!!! How do you think Aguilla 60gr subsonic would do in the 1-9? I would think ok just wonder if it would cycle????
Thanks for your time...........
I had them ready to go, but forgot them at home.. Might have to do more testing with odd ammo like that again.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Look forward to it and thanks......................
Would love to see a vid on the 60 gr rds
@@williammccaslin8527 Ill definitely be doing another video on those soon.. I like the theory that they are the closest to 223/556 grain weight at sub sonic velocities. stay tuned.
@@williammccaslin8527 60gr Aguilas are the only 22s that group good out of my 1:7" 16" barrel but every other bullet he shot grouped like crap. 1:7 twist is too fast. He was shooting 1:9 twists which works quite well with most 22lrs.
this might be a dumb question but do you also have to get yourself a 22LR chambered Barrel or do you shoot the 22LR through the 556 Barrel
This adapter allows you to shoot 22LR right from your 223/556 barrel. Nothing needs changed except the magazine and the bolt and carrier.
The end of the video is so funny having to deal with real world issues......
Modern day struggles lol
What chambering and twist rate is your barrel?
I never knew that you can shoot a 22lr out of an AR-15 barrel.
Has anyone run this conversion with a rb trigger or is it even possible..?
I have a stock 16” barrel db15. I’ve tried finding info on if it has a notched or round hammer. I looked at this product and it recommends round hammer for function and safety. Do you know where I could find out if mines notched or round?
If you look at the face of your hammer (the arear that hits the firing pin) A notched hammer will have what looks like a raised plateau on its face. A round hammer will be without this protrusion.
Hit this link and scroll to the 3 or 4th post for a pic comparison : www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/jam-o-matic/15-756531/
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel thanks a lot man 🙏
Too bad there is no .22 lr ammo available to shoot. When I was a kid back in the 1960's you
could buy a box of 22 ammo at the local hardware store anytime. Conversion kits in .22 lr are a great idea, I hope someday there will be ammo available for them.....
you have to frequent the box stores that carry ammo often. try and catch them the morning of the delivery trucks. I just bought 1000 rds of 22LR and 500 rds of 556 from my local Academy sports.. It takes dedication, but you will at least have the opportunity, eventually.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Went to Cabelas in Tualatin Oregon a couple of weeks ago. Not one box of 22 lr ammo. Last year they had tons of all ammo, no limits, some on sale for $20/ for 500 rds. 9mm ammo for 8.99 box of 50 brass case FMJ. I heard some talk that the same ammo is going for $30-50 a box on the black market, if one can call it that. Its just like ammo companies stopped making ammo.
@@alfontana6242 they are still crankin ammo, but everyone and their mom are buying guns and ammo right now. you have the Covid, the election, the riots, and the Biden threats. Combine that all together and you have a shortage of ammo... and toilet paper..
What I want to know is it safe to throw a dedicated.22 can on the ar 15 platform without risk of a baffle strike
We aren’t allowed cans here in IL.. one day I’ll move to America, and when I do, I won’t hesitate to put a can on here. The bullet is stabilized in the barrel to make great groups on paper, tells me it will work like any 22LR rifle
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel appreciate the input 👍🏼
did the subsonic cycle?
Me neeeed
my zero was way off, did u have to rezero your sight? i was shooting at 100 yards
Dope +12
Mine doesn't cycle when shooting cci quiet 22lr. Any have that issue?
That’s typical with CCI Quiet in any semi auto
Where did you get that pirate flag on your magwell?
The Jolly Roger patch from Maxpedition. but it appears to be out of stock
Am I the only one that get flyers everywhere out of my rifle ? It’s not consistent with point of aim point of impact. I’m using a 1/9 twist 16 inch 556 barrel
Might be the ammo, or the amount of time that you last cleaned your rifle barrel
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I wonder if it could be something with it being suppressed or maybe because I’m oiling the inside of my cmmg bolt chamber
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel it gets cleaned every time after I shoot
@@ramennoodleshaawty oiling the chamber of the adapter shouldnt impact accuracy after the first few shots... As for suppressed, I cant say as i live in IL. and we arent allowed such luxuries.. id try some different ammo, possibly.
I’m new to guns/ar, would this damage or put any unusual wear on the gun?
Welcome to the gun world. Its good to have you. It will be a bit more dirty when cleaning your rifle after using this adapter, since 22LR is a little more dirty round. The barrel will collect lead in the rifling like any 22LR barrel does, while using this adapter. After shooting with this adapter, switch back to the 223/556 bolt and magazine to fire a couple rounds. The copper jacket of the 223/556 bullet, along with the pressure will rid the barrel of the lead build up. So to shorten this all up to answer your question. No. It will not hurt your rifle with usage, and if anything, is less wear and tear on your rifle than with using 223/556.
Does anyone know if theres something like this for a 300 blackout?
No. You need a .223"/5.56mm barrel for this to work. It works because a .223 and a 22lr are the same diameter.
Do you have to re-zero for .22lr if using for training/ergonomics purposes?
yes, unless you find 22LR that has a point of impact relatively close to your current zero for 223/556. this all changes with anything past 35 yards
Yes. Dope +12 +/-2 moa
What's your thoughts on the trybe defense magnification doubler? I had one and liked it until the mount broke loose...
I think its a cool idea.. heres my video on it. Ive had no issues to date. ruclips.net/video/P8xD2w2nefA/видео.html
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel ya I had it on after about 50 rounds it broke loose and then another 20 later the whole mount broke
@@Forumrida38621 I would contact Trybe, see what they will do for you.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel I already sent it back.. the mount is trash instead of cutting the threads into the metal of the mount they cut it into a piece polymer and glued that into the mount... someone should come out with a better mount because it is a great idea
@@Forumrida38621 Ill have to keep an eye out for that, but mine seems fine for now.
Any experience with pushing the distance to 50 yds? 100 yds? I was leaning towards getting a dedicated .22lr upper but now I may just get this adapter.
I’ll have a video on this soon
I shoot 3" steel plates at 100 yards about 5x a week with it.
I decided to go with a dedicated .22lr upper from BCA. With it I can hit a 4" steel disk from 137 yds 10 out of 10 times. 50 yds on paper I get between 1 and 4 MOA depending on the ammo I use.
@@mountainairgunner2067 not bad, . Yeah BCA has a pretty good price on their complete uppers. I think this adapter aligns more with people that want the ability to shoot 22 LR with their rifle on the fly. Its small size/ weight allow it to be packed without even noticing its there. Something to throw in a bag on an overland trip, allowing the ability to gather small game if need be. Or for the person who has a lot of money in their upper and the optics on it. This adapter allows them to utilize all of that without breaking the bank, and swap right back to 556 on the same upper.
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel all good points. What made me decide against the adapter is gas port fouling since when I shoot .22lr I tend to shoot a lot of it.
First - people need to stop shooting AR's on the bench. It's a battle rifle, not a bolt action. Off-hand capabilities for the average shooter is about 8 moa or so. if you're hardware is less than that it's all that really matters.
How bad is it for the barrel?
As bad as any 22LR barrel, clean it after and it’s fine. Or send a couple 223 or 556 rounds down and it will be good as new again
What is your twist rate for your barrel?
0:38
Thanks, ever attempted 1:7?
@@michaeladamson8240 This video here is with a 10 inch 1 in 7 the accuracy portion is toward the end ruclips.net/video/kl_bCuWgu2s/видео.html
Can you hit a soda can at 50 yards?
Yes, once you find the ammo that works best with your set up. I.e. barrel length, twist rate grain weight and velocity.
I hit cattails off hand at 50 yards. Telephone poles at 150 yards off hand.
It's not a proprietary magazine... It's not even their design. In fact, the entire conversion is a rip off of the Ceiner kits that have been around since 1984.
I’m not aware of any other gun that you can use these mags in
@@ZRUSOutdoorsChannel Yep... The CMMG conversion magazine is the same design used in the CMMG dedicated 22 upper, Sig 522, Chiappa M4-22, Keltech PLR-22 and SU-22, Spikes Tactical/Trinity Force ST-22, Plinker Arms AR22, ATI Tac22, and probably a half dozen other factory guns, and all ARs that use the "Ceiner" style conversions...
@@joeytomato well there ya have it, thanks.
They work, but at more than twice the twist rate of a .22LR, kind of useless. Just get a .22 if you want to shoot .22. Don't take it out to 50 yards.
You really can’t say they are useless, when my test shows at 35 yards, it’s dime size accuracy. You’re right there’s no need to step back to 50yards, as you can see what that may translate to at that distance. But yeah, get a 22rifle if you want to shoot, but then you missed the point of this adapter. To be able to train with your AR, to have the versatility, to have the ammo, to have the fun, all in one gun.
I can take my 16 1:9 out to 75/100 yards easily with a few ammos, so I’d have to disagree on that.
I love how all these channels act like they have a hard time finding ammo, like it’s not on pallets out back. Shit weak be honest, 👎
I spent an hour in line the other day, at academy in hopes to find 9mm ammo for videos, and guess what,?.. they ran out before i got to the counter.. WTF fairy tale land do you really think this is. Im no different from you, or any other poor SOB trying to buy ammo.
Sir you don't need more guns, you need some braces for your teeth and not your AR pistol.
It’s true, .. well, except for the guns part.
The system is pretty cool, but I will say I have had several out of battery detonations with mine. Please let me know if anyone else has similar experiences.