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I have a pretty simple way of dealing with a tailgater/someone following uncomfortably close: when the road allows, I move over to the far right of my lane, slow down a little and wave the driver to pass me. They're happy and I'm happy.
I also never tailgate a motorcycle rider, I always leave enough room that God forbid something should happen, that the rider hits the tar, I have more than enough room to stop, without hitting him!! I also keep a rider in my mirrors on the road, That's where loud pipes save lives!! I hear him & pay attention to them, & slow down & let them pass me, I rather have them in front of me, than behind me.
You shouldn't do that, letting them pass is kind but moving to the right is dangerous. I did that a few times as a beginner but quickly learned my lesson. If you move to the right you give the car the option to squeeze by you as close as they want. The driver might be polite, or like in my case the 2nd and 3rd cars behind them that flew by me almost clipping my bars because of oncoming traffic. Hold the lane, make them cross the center line if they want to pass you. It's not worth the risk. Replying to the original comment.
Another informative video Kevin! Thank you! One time I took my former bike around the block to test ride it, I didn't wear all my gear and I felt NAKED!! I totally am ATGATT! Last summer (July) I was in Tulsa, Ok. and it was 110 with the heat index....I still wore all my gear, but man, did I suck down the H2O and Gatorade!!! Stay Safe & Ride on!!
I’ve run into a few guys who used the term , I had to lay her down, they all seem to fit a certain category, usually older , self taught before safety courses were a thing, very poor habits riding, tailgating, speeding etc,etc, and quick to have poor advice to new riders. The few times I’ve heard them telling a new rider ,I had to lay her down, I would get the new rider alone and try to educate on ignoring the bad advice.
Good episode as always! Nice description of "bar hopper", and there are way too many in junkyards from idiots boozing it up and getting on two wheels. But, I would add another definition. It is a kind of a style of bike in that it's not designed to be ridden long distances, either because the bikes not designed for comfort on long rides, but most often because it has a small tank, limiting range between fill-ups. "Squid" is derived from "Squirrely Kid". "Tank slapper" was new to me, so it might be a regional thing or I somehow missed it in my 30 years of riding, which entirely possible. But it does sound a lot better than "Death Wobble", which is what we always called them. Love this channel. There's always something knew to learn, or refresh my memory on.
I have heard that the term “cafe racer” was initially a derogatory term for aesthetic-obsessed guys who made those specific, primarily decorative, mods and then would “race” from cafe to cafe, BUT mainly they spent most of their time sitting at the bar/cafe rather than riding while their cool-looking bikes sat out front. This was said, mockingly, by riders who considered themselves fast and skilled... “real racers”. Don’t know if this is fact or myth. Sounds plausible though.
You forgot “chicken strips” the most idiotic term the so-called experience motorcyclist tell newbies about. Heard people ask me where my strips are. I tell I left it at Chick fil a.
Here is one for you from the Philippines where I live. The term " Kamote rider" refers to an reckless rider who generally does not know what he/she is doing. Literally translated it means seat potato :)
Saved the best for last 👍 I love your videos... watch them all. I really loved the one you did for “ I had to lay it down “. It’s amazing how many riders think that’s a legitimate concept. Understanding differently (un-learning that) is SO important. Thank you 🙏
My brother and myself just passed our motorcycle safety course at no cages Harley Davidson,they were great the time was 6 hours class room and 16 hours on the track,they taught us so much, I recommend anyone to take a motorcycle safety training class, I've gotten Harley boys that have been riding for years it's funny seeing some of the rookie mistakes they make, enjoy watching your videos and always dress for the slide, God bless all of you and ride safe.
@The Screaming Chicken once they found out I have a Harley they let it be, and we gotten the class half off ,it was like a 144 bux it was 6 hrs of class room and 16 hrs of course time,best money spent
As an old educator, I would like to point out that the scene changes in this video works to keep the attention of the student/viewer. You should consider doing this more than straight lecture when possible. You have always had really nice videography, but this one excels. Great video. Nice scenery. Excellent content.
Thanks, Kevin. Very useful and pratical video. Just an update, in EU (I'm in Portugal) ABS is mandatory for road bikes, optional for ADV and no mandatory for dirt bikes.
I'm glad you mentioned the friction zone. That's a term I wish I had used last time I was talking to my mechanic. I'm even more glad you brought up counterbalancing. I live in the city and am constantly turning really slowly at 90-degree corners, like after a red light. I have always tried to "lean with the bike" when cornering or taking curves, but when you're going really slow that doesn't seem to apply. So now I know why!
I've had 3 motorcycles in the past, it was my only vehicle for about 2 years, rain, shine, sleet, snow, had to work. But.....that was 96 to about 2000, haven't ridden in 20 yrs. Or so, got the bug again. This channel has helped alot with refreshers, and more new info, didn't know what I didnt know. Bike shopping now, cant wait to get a fuel injected machine. Gonna unlearn some bad habits and learn some new good ones thanks to you Kevin. Thanks I truly mean that.
forgot one : Snowflake , a Kid who pulls out in front of you without looking at all. Kids today are so Ignorant and Selfish they don't Respect Life or Elders At All !!!
I disagree with lay it down being the result of an inexperienced rider. Had a incident man years ago. I was going up hill, stopped at the stop sign, started to make a right hand turn when a car came flying up at 60 mph (in a 25 mph zone). Had two choices: pull out and get hit by the a-hole driver of the car or apply the brakes and stop, not good going uphill around a turn. I was not my inexperience that was the cause or problem, it was the driver speeding. If I hadn’t stopped I’d have been hit by that car.
Eagle Mountain Park, Eagle Mountain Lake Marina, TCU (easy one), Trinity Park (multiple spots, I have played many basketball games on the court under that bridge), Texas country roads...hahaha.
I have always loved your content and tank you for teaching me so much in a short period of time. This format definitely makes more interesting and fun to watch!
When I first learned to ride, I had to get my permit before getting on a motorcycle, of course. That meant taking a test in NY. The counter steering term came up, and I just didn't get it. It made no sense to me at all. Then I got out on the course, and started to ride for the very first time, and I realized that you counter steer on a bicycle, too. I knew, at this point intuitively, how to counter steer.
Hmmmm. I rode for about 5 years brfore I got my motorcycle license. Not ideal I guess but I was pretty experienced from mini bikes and dirt bikes. Things were a little different 50 years ago and we were a little wild.
I'm amazed how many people actually say that riding a bicycle is different to riding a motorcycle. It's EXACTLY the same. Same physics, everything. For example, I've been trailbraking on the bicycle since forever - using BOTH brakes. Now I'm regularly using the rear brake in corners (my bike has linked brakes so pushing the rear brake applies a bit of front brake too), braking AND leaning without issues.
This is because the terminology changed.... old-school teaching said if you turn your handlebars to the left, at speed, your bike would go right. They don't teach it that way anymore. They say "Push right, go right" and "Push left, go left". Think about it, if you push on your right handlebar you're actually turning the handlebar to the left. That was why it was called countersteering.
I've found that the people screaming ATGATT and calling other riders Squids, are actually fairly new riders themselves and once they have a number of years of riding experience, they tend to stop spouting that stuff out. Around 5 years ago, I remember a YT guy, I don't like calling out names, that had just started riding. He was one of those that preached, "ATGATT, ATGATT, ATGATT!" He saw some dude on a HD with jeans, boots, T-shirt, and a half helmet. He called him a squid. A year and a half later, he had a video where HE was wearing T-shirt because he claimed it was too hot to wear his jacket. Last time I saw one of his videos, he was on a HD with jeans, boots, T-shirt, and a half helmet. I thought....hahaha, gee, are you going to call yourself a squid now. LOL. Even within the biking community, there are differences in what terms exactly mean. IF I were to ever use the term Squid, it would refer to someone flying down the road, no helmet, no shirt, shorts, and flip flops...while the girl on back, wearing a bikini, also no helmet and wearing flip flops, clung to him for dear life. Y'all ride safe.
I kind of have ABS on my old FLH with drum brakes. You can't lock up the front wheel ever and if it is raining nether wheel will lock up so Plan your stops. Laying down your bike cost money and skin I advise against it.
Like you, I live in N. TX. Question: How do you ride in 100+F heat and ATGATT? I confess, I leave the jacket behind and ride in the rest of the gear but in a golf shirt...I don't commute and I don't get on the highways or ride in rush hour. I ride at or below suburban speed limits...40-45 mph...whaddya think? No excuse?
I'm puzzled by the pejorative term "cager". Sure, I get what it means, but it suggests an "Us" and "Them" world, where bikers ONLY ride and "cagers" ONLY drive 4 wheelers. Are we not all riders, "cagers", cyclists and walkers at different times? I think we should direct our dislike at an individual's poor driving, not at their mode of transport.
Back when I was teenager my brother gave me his old Suzuki GT750 which I retyred, serviced and caned around on. All good until one day doing about 90 over a series of undulations, the bike just got into a huge full lock to lock tankslapper. Cox I'm a dirt rider I just prayed and hung on. Eventually the bike sorted itself out and I've been riding carefully ever since.
There’s , Hold on , Don’t Panic , Pray , Just relax , Forget about it , when in doubt Gas , two brakes , turn signals are complicated , Does your wife know , tires don’t last forever , those are bugs , rain hurts , sirens ? What sirens ? , dragging the pegs , Helmet , pack extra underwear , got gas , wife’s making cookies , turn turn turn ! 20
I dealt with tailgaters by replacing my taillights with very bright LED lights. Usu I don't have to flash them but a couple of times and people get the message and usu back off and maintain safer distance. My experience anyway. I always give them a thumbs up and peace sign when they do back off!!! Reinforce good behavior!!!!
I hit a pothole at 75 miles an hour. I HAD to lay the bike down. Separate yourself from the motorcycle, relax your muscles, aim for the dirt. No disrespect, I'm here to learn. But not every crash can be solved by emergency braking.
I’m a police officer in Montréal, Canada. I remember a fatal motorcycle vs car collision at an intersection. The car cut the path of the bike by turning left. The motorcyclists, coming in too fast (collision tech opinion), “laid down his bike”. By doing so, he slided toward the car and his head struck the right corner of the bumper. Even with a full face helmet, he died on the scene. We can’t be sure of the outcome had he not taken this decision but we can speculate that he would have probably survived. I’m an experienced motorcyclist but still learn a lot watching your videos. Long live and be safe on the road.
Yep, people that say they had to lay it down always puzzled me. I like your description, Kevin. To me all those they lay down their bike had better be jumping pretty far from their bike or they just lost a leg or something (what I’d fear of anyway).
ATGATT is the only way to ride a motorcycle safely. Here in Germany you have to learn to do emergency braking, swerving and braking and swerving at about 30 mph, handling your bike at walking speed using the friction zone, throttle and rear wheels brakes. And you have to show you can do all those things in a practical test in order to get your motorcycle license.
A fella like me cant afford a motorcycle that has ABS and Traction control. I can appreciate what you're sellin but I aint buyin. Besides, that's just more crap that will fail on me, costing tons of money
Bar hopper = bike that looks cool but it's not very comfortable. A bike you just want to ride 5 or 10 miles to the bar, soda shop , store , hang out , whatever get off and say look at my bike ant it cool. Bar hopper is the bike not some drunk guy. my description thank you.
Good vídeos!! I suggest to use a toy motorcycle to show us the movements that you describe instead of the movements of yours hands. From Mexico. Thanks Sir
Down here it's also acceptable to call the t-shirt crowd Road crayons or Organ donors. I was a dumb youngin and did it in summer when I started, I was lucky and had my eyes opened at low speed. Been atgatt ever since.
Great video as always. I can't remember have you done one on motorcycle hand signals? That'd be another similar style video that would be good. Wanting to pass, cops, pointing out obstructions, slow down, etc.
Never heard of marbles in pockets. Ever. May be a good idea to edit that bit? Don’t need to give cranky riders any new (bad) ideas. Safety and strategy, yes. Skills, of course. Anti-social, dangerous, criminal behaviours... not really.
I understood Kevin's comment on that one to amount to "yeah, right..", but having recently watched his vid on tailgaters and read the comments, I can confirm that there are, as he says, many "tough-guy" comments of that sort.
Squids are everywhere and not just new riders or sportbike riders. Squids are people who just don't wear gear, harley riders and pretty much any rider where I live is a squid who don't wear gear.
I have watched a few of your videos abd I have to say that you are without a doubt the best riding coach by far and you don't drip feed information for the sake of pushing sales and views You are what I refer to as a real Christian. Thank you Goodman
The best way to totally avoid a motorcycle accident, is not to get on a motorcycle at all, just as the best way to minimise the chance of riding under the influence of alcohol, is not to drink alcohol at all.
If you listen to the end of his bar hopper segment, he talks about how you can find many pieces of the bar hopper bikes in the junk yard, taking a jab at how the barhopper bikes live a very dangerous life.
Unfortunately it happens alot . When I go on rides through small towns , you always see a couple of Harley's sitting in front of the tavern . Seems like a shame to spend that kind of money on a bike , and look at it through a bar window . Not mention that bikes and booze don't mix well .
Kevin, I wouldn't be so hard on someone having to lay their bike down. You are perfect and never get into a situation that you'll ever make the decision to lay your bike down and that is awesome.......EXCEPT when you have a car pull across in front of you. I'm here to tell you that I will not allow my body being thrown OVER a car and land on the asphalt only to tumble and roll breaking bones or what have you. I had a police car at the appropriate following distance behind me going thru an intersection when a lady pulled across in front of me coming from the opposite direction. I didn't have time to stop upright, anywhere to swerve to and instantly knew that when I hit her I would get thrown over her car so i decided to lay my bike down and let my machine hit her car first with me still on the seat. This was at about 35mph and I stood up without any injuries at all....however, had I been launched over her car the other would be true....Incidentally the police car behind me even hit her car so there wasn't any possibility to stop in time. I won't say here aren't times that people have done as you claim but don't just categorize everyone and go off on EVERYONE that has been forced to laying their machine down. That's like saying it is super-duper stupid for anyone to walk their bike while doing a U-Turn in deep SAND or thick sticky MUD. You said that just makes you mad and upset to hear someone say they had to lay it down...well, your blank statement conversely makes someone like me mad and upset. I don't hold grudges and won't with this either so if you would just please just give your blanket statement some additional consideration before repeating it again without knowing all the possible scenarios that can and occasionally do happen that could dictate a rider having to lay it down. Maybe you think hitting an object upright and flying over is a good option? I don't know what you think on that. I only know that for myself I don't want to go flying uncontrollably over anything like that.
Have you ever swerved your bike so hard that it slid out from under you? Im guessing no because its very hard to turn that sharply if you had tried to swerve you most likely would have missed the car and kept going - the problem is you did not even try, you just locked up the brakes and down it went. Not anticipating the turning car might cross your path... Im sorry but in this world that is on you - you could have slowed down and NOT trusted the car to stay put - but you didnt.... Anytime a car is in a position where it MIGHT cross your path you have to see it, you have to slow down, you have to cover your brakes, so that if it does, you can swerve or brake before hitting... because... THATS HOW IT IS BTW, on a bike with ABS you CANT lay the bike down because the wheels will not lock up.
As a new rider to Kentucky (from Georgia) there is NO helmet law. I honestly can’t believe it because a helmet saved my life once. I see probably 7 out of 10 riders not wearing one daily. So, besides the obvious term, what shall we call those daring souls? Head bangers is already taken 😂
Great video and topics Kev. How about a virtual tour of your new digs, looking good. Love the logo on the facility floor. How about some more video on slow turns using the DCT without the a clutch and the friction zone. Especially the throttle by wire sensitivity and use of the rear break to mimic friction zone.
I have been riding since 1970. I have taken factory sponsored advanced rider training. I have a bit of a motorcycling library. I am kind of into bikes one might say. I believe the term "laying it down" arose at a time when it was not uncommon to find yourself with crappy tires on wet or sandy/pea gravel covered roads and one or both tires would lose traction and the machine would start to slid out from under the rider and go down. As an FYI, I have at least one M/C book from the early 1970's that illustrates laying it down and slipping off the bike in a controlled manner. The idea being you will slide a lot further if you hang on to the bike (increased mass) but if you separate from bike the rider's reduced mass will allow them to come to a quicker halt than the bike. My father-in-law was a successful racer in the 1930's and early 1940's and during WW2 he was a motorcycle instructor teaching dispatch riders in England how to run fast and hard on pavement and off road. One of the learning exercises was to soak a grassy field to make it slippery and to learn how to lay the bike down in a controlled manner once the wheels started to slip out from under you. Other than these types of situations I do not see how you could purposefully make a moving bike tip over in a controlled fashion as it is really a large gyroscope trying to maintain itself in an upright position. Yet stunt riders do it all the time in action movies.
Here is one. A motorcycle rider hitting the top of his helmet. Means a cop is up the road. Great informative clip. Some i havent heard before and ive been riding sense i was 15. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hi, Kevin. Can l have forum support here? I lost my account today, its say there "no account found" as l enter my username or email on forget password. Because l think, l change the password. My username is loutfiena and email just put gmail after it. Such strange, yesterday was fine, and today it's gone?
I noticed that the display with the map/GPS on the motorcycle (for example, in the last few seconds of the video) looked different than I remember. Was there a new update? Is that the new Android feature? Or am I just blind?
Barhoppers. This is a colloquialism for people who don't understand the fundamental error of drinking and riding. The term should be shunned by all serious motorcyclists.
re: barhopperz - "When they're not found outside the bar, parts of em can be found in salvage yards throughout the country." LMAO out loud heartily at that one. Liked and subscribed
Great video and good to see you outside. As a New Yorker from Long Island, many of my rides run along waterfronts. Loved seeing that marina in the background. Is it really in North Texas?
Hey, Kevin! Congratulations about the excellent video and the wonderful new editing! What chin mount do you use on your Shoei helmet for the action cam? Seems pretty smart!
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I have a pretty simple way of dealing with a tailgater/someone following uncomfortably close: when the road allows, I move over to the far right of my lane, slow down a little and wave the driver to pass me. They're happy and I'm happy.
I find myself doing that driving my car, unnerving having someone all up in your tail!! 😉👍
I also never tailgate a motorcycle rider, I always leave enough room that God forbid something should happen, that the rider hits the tar, I have more than enough room to stop, without hitting him!! I also keep a rider in my mirrors on the road, That's where loud pipes save lives!! I hear him & pay attention to them, & slow down & let them pass me, I rather have them in front of me, than behind me.
You shouldn't do that, letting them pass is kind but moving to the right is dangerous. I did that a few times as a beginner but quickly learned my lesson.
If you move to the right you give the car the option to squeeze by you as close as they want. The driver might be polite, or like in my case the 2nd and 3rd cars behind them that flew by me almost clipping my bars because of oncoming traffic.
Hold the lane, make them cross the center line if they want to pass you. It's not worth the risk.
Replying to the original comment.
I flick them off and throw marbles at them
"Learn emergency braking, learn swerving, learn to ride your motorcycle."
Proper talk.
thx Kevin
I enjoy this style of video. Really informative and amusing to watch!
Agreed. Like it
Another informative video Kevin! Thank you! One time I took my former bike around the block to test ride it, I didn't wear all my gear and I felt NAKED!! I totally am ATGATT! Last summer (July) I was in Tulsa, Ok. and it was 110 with the heat index....I still wore all my gear, but man, did I suck down the H2O and Gatorade!!! Stay Safe & Ride on!!
Kevin, I think you could start a side business doing motorcycle tours of DFW and North Texas!
Don't forget organ donor
I’ve run into a few guys who used the term , I had to lay her down, they all seem to fit a certain category, usually older , self taught before safety courses were a thing, very poor habits riding, tailgating, speeding etc,etc, and quick to have poor advice to new riders. The few times I’ve heard them telling a new rider ,I had to lay her down, I would get the new rider alone and try to educate on ignoring the bad advice.
Good episode as always!
Nice description of "bar hopper", and there are way too many in junkyards from idiots boozing it up and getting on two wheels.
But, I would add another definition. It is a kind of a style of bike in that it's not designed to be ridden long distances, either because the bikes not designed for comfort on long rides, but most often because it has a small tank, limiting range between fill-ups.
"Squid" is derived from "Squirrely Kid".
"Tank slapper" was new to me, so it might be a regional thing or I somehow missed it in my 30 years of riding, which entirely possible. But it does sound a lot better than "Death Wobble", which is what we always called them.
Love this channel. There's always something knew to learn, or refresh my memory on.
I have heard that the term “cafe racer” was initially a derogatory term for aesthetic-obsessed guys who made those specific, primarily decorative, mods and then would “race” from cafe to cafe, BUT mainly they spent most of their time sitting at the bar/cafe rather than riding while their cool-looking bikes sat out front. This was said, mockingly, by riders who considered themselves fast and skilled... “real racers”.
Don’t know if this is fact or myth. Sounds plausible though.
"Tank slapper" is very common in track days/competion guys.
In Indianna, you don't need a licence for under 50cc bikes. Get a couple of DUIs and you're stuck riding the bar hopper, usually a small scooter.
You forgot “chicken strips” the most idiotic term the so-called experience motorcyclist tell newbies about. Heard people ask me where my strips are. I tell I left it at Chick fil a.
I have been riding for 30 plus years....never heard this term!! Please elaborate. What is a chicken strip?
@@caseyw.8325 Its the parts of the tires that are unused, because some riders are apparently "too scared" to lean it enough..
Here is one for you from the Philippines where I live. The term " Kamote rider" refers to an reckless rider who generally does not know what he/she is doing. Literally translated it means seat potato :)
Saved the best for last 👍
I love your videos... watch them all. I really loved the one you did for “ I had to lay it down “. It’s amazing how many riders think that’s a legitimate concept. Understanding differently (un-learning that) is SO important. Thank you 🙏
My brother and myself just passed our motorcycle safety course at no cages Harley Davidson,they were great the time was 6 hours class room and 16 hours on the track,they taught us so much, I recommend anyone to take a motorcycle safety training class, I've gotten Harley boys that have been riding for years it's funny seeing some of the rookie mistakes they make, enjoy watching your videos and always dress for the slide, God bless all of you and ride safe.
I took a class through House of Harley in Milwaukee , they didn't really try and sell me bike , but I do get a lot of emails from them .
@The Screaming Chicken once they found out I have a Harley they let it be, and we gotten the class half off ,it was like a 144 bux it was 6 hrs of class room and 16 hrs of course time,best money spent
As an old educator, I would like to point out that the scene changes in this video works to keep the attention of the student/viewer. You should consider doing this more than straight lecture when possible. You have always had really nice videography, but this one excels. Great video. Nice scenery. Excellent content.
Food for thought, thanks Kevin. Please can you describe all the signals bikers use? Stay safe !
Thanks, Kevin. Very useful and pratical video. Just an update, in EU (I'm in Portugal) ABS is mandatory for road bikes, optional for ADV and no mandatory for dirt bikes.
I'm glad you mentioned the friction zone. That's a term I wish I had used last time I was talking to my mechanic. I'm even more glad you brought up counterbalancing. I live in the city and am constantly turning really slowly at 90-degree corners, like after a red light. I have always tried to "lean with the bike" when cornering or taking curves, but when you're going really slow that doesn't seem to apply. So now I know why!
Another great video! Love this style of video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@MCrider where's your road king
"I had to lay it down" is just a face-saving way to say, "I panicked."
“ I had to lay it down” = “ I ran out of talent and/ or sound judgement “
Yup.... unfortunately, that excuse prevents them from learning to be a better rider.
I've had 3 motorcycles in the past, it was my only vehicle for about 2 years, rain, shine, sleet, snow, had to work. But.....that was 96 to about 2000, haven't ridden in 20 yrs. Or so, got the bug again. This channel has helped alot with refreshers, and more new info, didn't know what I didnt know. Bike shopping now, cant wait to get a fuel injected machine. Gonna unlearn some bad habits and learn some new good ones thanks to you Kevin. Thanks I truly mean that.
forgot one : Snowflake , a Kid who pulls out in front of you without looking at all.
Kids today are so Ignorant and Selfish they don't Respect Life or Elders At All !!!
“Un-squid you” hahhaa!
love you homie! youre saving countless lives with your videos. Couldnt be more grateful! thank you for getting me into riding the right way !!
Great video Kev ,after 47yrs of riding I'm still learning stuff
Thanks 👍
Crow photo-bomb, is nowhere safe?
He didn't even social distance.
I love the new format. I know it’s a lot more work but the results are great when you go outdoors.
I disagree with lay it down being the result of an inexperienced rider. Had a incident man years ago. I was going up hill, stopped at the stop sign, started to make a right hand turn when a car came flying up at 60 mph (in a 25 mph zone). Had two choices: pull out and get hit by the a-hole driver of the car or apply the brakes and stop, not good going uphill around a turn. I was not my inexperience that was the cause or problem, it was the driver speeding. If I hadn’t stopped I’d have been hit by that car.
That’s not the same, and please don’t tell anyone you “had to lay it down”....you “dropped it”. It happens 🤷🏻♀️
Eagle Mountain Park, Eagle Mountain Lake Marina, TCU (easy one), Trinity Park (multiple spots, I have played many basketball games on the court under that bridge), Texas country roads...hahaha.
Wow, you nailed it.
Learn something new on every show! Thx Kevin!!
I have always loved your content and tank you for teaching me so much in a short period of time. This format definitely makes more interesting and fun to watch!
Thanks for the helpful videos. The use of subtitles is great for us in Australia!!! 😂
I need a Texan to Australian translator.
When I first learned to ride, I had to get my permit before getting on a motorcycle, of course. That meant taking a test in NY. The counter steering term came up, and I just didn't get it. It made no sense to me at all. Then I got out on the course, and started to ride for the very first time, and I realized that you counter steer on a bicycle, too. I knew, at this point intuitively, how to counter steer.
Hmmmm. I rode for about 5 years brfore I got my motorcycle license. Not ideal I guess but I was pretty experienced from mini bikes and dirt bikes. Things were a little different 50 years ago and we were a little wild.
I'm amazed how many people actually say that riding a bicycle is different to riding a motorcycle. It's EXACTLY the same. Same physics, everything. For example, I've been trailbraking on the bicycle since forever - using BOTH brakes. Now I'm regularly using the rear brake in corners (my bike has linked brakes so pushing the rear brake applies a bit of front brake too), braking AND leaning without issues.
Counter-steering IS steering, it's almost a misnomer
A lot of people say push down as well which for me is nowhere near as effective as locking my elbow and pushing forward!
This is because the terminology changed.... old-school teaching said if you turn your handlebars to the left, at speed, your bike would go right. They don't teach it that way anymore. They say "Push right, go right" and "Push left, go left". Think about it, if you push on your right handlebar you're actually turning the handlebar to the left. That was why it was called countersteering.
Nice video!! Very informative. I liked the scenery changes, that was pretty cool!! Great job!
I've found that the people screaming ATGATT and calling other riders Squids, are actually fairly new riders themselves and once they have a number of years of riding experience, they tend to stop spouting that stuff out. Around 5 years ago, I remember a YT guy, I don't like calling out names, that had just started riding. He was one of those that preached, "ATGATT, ATGATT, ATGATT!" He saw some dude on a HD with jeans, boots, T-shirt, and a half helmet. He called him a squid. A year and a half later, he had a video where HE was wearing T-shirt because he claimed it was too hot to wear his jacket. Last time I saw one of his videos, he was on a HD with jeans, boots, T-shirt, and a half helmet. I thought....hahaha, gee, are you going to call yourself a squid now. LOL. Even within the biking community, there are differences in what terms exactly mean. IF I were to ever use the term Squid, it would refer to someone flying down the road, no helmet, no shirt, shorts, and flip flops...while the girl on back, wearing a bikini, also no helmet and wearing flip flops, clung to him for dear life. Y'all ride safe.
I kind of have ABS on my old FLH with drum brakes. You can't lock up the front wheel ever and if it is raining nether wheel will lock up so Plan your stops. Laying down your bike cost money and skin I advise against it.
10:04 Squid = Squirrely Kid... Not necessarily a 'new rider'.
Maybe "lay it down" is an age related term. Like how after a certain age you stop falling over and start "having a fall"...
you push left, you go left. You push right, you go right.? Impossible. What the HL don't I understand here..???????
Like you, I live in N. TX. Question: How do you ride in 100+F heat and ATGATT? I confess, I leave the jacket behind and ride in the rest of the gear but in a golf shirt...I don't commute and I don't get on the highways or ride in rush hour. I ride at or below suburban speed limits...40-45 mph...whaddya think? No excuse?
Safety first.
But try telling that to stupid drivers here in Corpus. Why I havnt rode mine in long time.
Good info sir👍
I'm puzzled by the pejorative term "cager". Sure, I get what it means, but it suggests an "Us" and "Them" world, where bikers ONLY ride and "cagers" ONLY drive 4 wheelers. Are we not all riders, "cagers", cyclists and walkers at different times? I think we should direct our dislike at an individual's poor driving, not at their mode of transport.
Back when I was teenager my brother gave me his old Suzuki GT750 which I retyred, serviced and caned around on. All good until one day doing about 90 over a series of undulations, the bike just got into a huge full lock to lock tankslapper. Cox I'm a dirt rider I just prayed and hung on. Eventually the bike sorted itself out and I've been riding carefully ever since.
There’s , Hold on , Don’t Panic , Pray , Just relax , Forget about it , when in doubt Gas , two brakes , turn signals are complicated , Does your wife know , tires don’t last forever , those are bugs , rain hurts , sirens ? What sirens ? , dragging the pegs , Helmet , pack extra underwear , got gas , wife’s making cookies , turn turn turn ! 20
I dealt with tailgaters by replacing my taillights with very bright LED lights. Usu I don't have to flash them but a couple of times and people get the message and usu back off and maintain safer distance. My experience anyway. I always give them a thumbs up and peace sign when they do back off!!! Reinforce good behavior!!!!
I hit a pothole at 75 miles an hour. I HAD to lay the bike down. Separate yourself from the motorcycle, relax your muscles, aim for the dirt. No disrespect, I'm here to learn. But not every crash can be solved by emergency braking.
I’m a police officer in Montréal, Canada. I remember a fatal motorcycle vs car collision at an intersection. The car cut the path of the bike by turning left. The motorcyclists, coming in too fast (collision tech opinion), “laid down his bike”. By doing so, he slided toward the car and his head struck the right corner of the bumper. Even with a full face helmet, he died on the scene. We can’t be sure of the outcome had he not taken this decision but we can speculate that he would have probably survived. I’m an experienced motorcyclist but still learn a lot watching your videos. Long live and be safe on the road.
Yep, people that say they had to lay it down always puzzled me. I like your description, Kevin. To me all those they lay down their bike had better be jumping pretty far from their bike or they just lost a leg or something (what I’d fear of anyway).
Thinking about buying my first bike at 40 years old. Just found amd subscribed to your channel. Very helpful info. Thank you.
ATGATT is the only way to ride a motorcycle safely.
Here in Germany you have to learn to do emergency braking, swerving and braking and swerving at about 30 mph, handling your bike at walking speed using the friction zone, throttle and rear wheels brakes. And you have to show you can do all those things in a practical test in order to get your motorcycle license.
It’s nice to be outside, good stuff, thanks again for the great content!
Great video Kevin! I loved the "or as I say in Texan, trail brakin". Thanks.
A fella like me cant afford a motorcycle that has ABS and Traction control. I can appreciate what you're sellin but I aint buyin. Besides, that's just more crap that will fail on me, costing tons of money
Bar Hopper...........never really heard that term but have seen the results of participating in the action......
Bar hopper = bike that looks cool but it's not very comfortable. A bike you just want to ride 5 or 10 miles to the bar, soda shop , store , hang out , whatever get off and say look at my bike ant it cool. Bar hopper is the bike not some drunk guy. my description thank you.
Good vídeos!! I suggest to use a toy motorcycle to show us the movements that you describe instead of the movements of yours hands. From Mexico. Thanks Sir
Countersteer....also called the gyroscopic effect. The front wheel pulls the bike over.
Down here it's also acceptable to call the t-shirt crowd Road crayons or Organ donors.
I was a dumb youngin and did it in summer when I started, I was lucky and had my eyes opened at low speed.
Been atgatt ever since.
Great video as always. I can't remember have you done one on motorcycle hand signals? That'd be another similar style video that would be good. Wanting to pass, cops, pointing out obstructions, slow down, etc.
Not yet!
Never heard of marbles in pockets. Ever. May be a good idea to edit that bit? Don’t need to give cranky riders any new (bad) ideas.
Safety and strategy, yes. Skills, of course. Anti-social, dangerous, criminal behaviours... not really.
I think it is an urban legend used by riders who want to have something to say.
MCrider - Motorcycle Training like the ‘get back whip’ 😂
I understood Kevin's comment on that one to amount to "yeah, right..", but having recently watched his vid on tailgaters and read the comments, I can confirm that there are, as he says, many "tough-guy" comments of that sort.
My 2006 VTX 1300 is bad for when the front tire get worn it will start to shimmy like it’s going to be a tank slapper.
Don't Bar Hoppers tend to be very uncomfortable? They are only good for going from bar to bar because a ride of any more length would be impractical.
Friend of mine used to keep a small basket of golf on his bike.amazing what a golf ball at highway speed does toa windshield. Not recommended.
Squids are everywhere and not just new riders or sportbike riders. Squids are people who just don't wear gear, harley riders and pretty much any rider where I live is a squid who don't wear gear.
I have watched a few of your videos abd I have to say that you are without a doubt the best riding coach by far and you don't drip feed information for the sake of pushing sales and views
You are what I refer to as a real Christian.
Thank you Goodman
sometimes there's nothing like over thinking it. There's a great "layed it down" in Terminator 3
Ride in the slow lane Harley Guys , there’s a Victory coming up fast ,
the new rider "whiskey throttled" his brand new bike and tried to brake by dragging his feet.
Good one, I wish I would have thought of that one.
I disagree with your definition of a "squid". They are not necessarily new riders. But they are always idiots.
The best way to totally avoid a motorcycle accident, is not to get on a motorcycle at all, just as the best way to minimise the chance of riding under the influence of alcohol, is not to drink alcohol at all.
I have never pushed on the handlebars to turn a motorcycle I wouldn't even think you could do that without wrecking is this good or bad
I’m a re-entry rider. Been away a while. Am I a Re-Squid? Glad to be back.
Horrible idea to use frnt brakes in corners at all. Only use back brakes in corners, or no brakes at all if poss
Hardest part of balancing the bike ? Getting your nuts centered on the seat before you pull away
But, but, but ..... you failed to adequately define "butt cheek" ....... ;>}
Glad to see squid and tank slapper are still in use, how about "Flying W"?
Cafe racer means really uncomfortable motorcycle.
My impression of squids is that the rider is like the squid in the sea. Very fast in a straight line only.
Could also be a reference to peeing one's pants - the way a squid releases ink everywhere when it thinks it's in danger.
a squid also is a term for a boiler technician or machinist mate in the US NAVY
Tar snakes, every new rider should know about these critters! 🐍
ANother good episode. I guess I'm an ATGATT
“Bar hopper”? No one needs to know that, sorry, that just caught me off guard. Regardless keep up the good work.
If you listen to the end of his bar hopper segment, he talks about how you can find many pieces of the bar hopper bikes in the junk yard, taking a jab at how the barhopper bikes live a very dangerous life.
Unfortunately it happens alot .
When I go on rides through small towns , you always see a couple of Harley's sitting in front of the tavern . Seems like a shame to spend that kind of money on a bike , and look at it through a bar window .
Not mention that bikes and booze don't mix well .
Kevin, I wouldn't be so hard on someone having to lay their bike down. You are perfect and never get into a situation that you'll ever make the decision to lay your bike down and that is awesome.......EXCEPT when you have a car pull across in front of you. I'm here to tell you that I will not allow my body being thrown OVER a car and land on the asphalt only to tumble and roll breaking bones or what have you.
I had a police car at the appropriate following distance behind me going thru an intersection when a lady pulled across in front of me coming from the opposite direction. I didn't have time to stop upright, anywhere to swerve to and instantly knew that when I hit her I would get thrown over her car so i decided to lay my bike down and let my machine hit her car first with me still on the seat. This was at about 35mph and I stood up without any injuries at all....however, had I been launched over her car the other would be true....Incidentally the police car behind me even hit her car so there wasn't any possibility to stop in time.
I won't say here aren't times that people have done as you claim but don't just categorize everyone and go off on EVERYONE that has been forced to laying their machine down. That's like saying it is super-duper stupid for anyone to walk their bike while doing a U-Turn in deep SAND or thick sticky MUD. You said that just makes you mad and upset to hear someone say they had to lay it down...well, your blank statement conversely makes someone like me mad and upset.
I don't hold grudges and won't with this either so if you would just please just give your blanket statement some additional consideration before repeating it again without knowing all the possible scenarios that can and occasionally do happen that could dictate a rider having to lay it down. Maybe you think hitting an object upright and flying over is a good option? I don't know what you think on that.
I only know that for myself I don't want to go flying uncontrollably over anything like that.
Have you ever swerved your bike so hard that it slid out from under you? Im guessing no because its very hard to turn that sharply
if you had tried to swerve you most likely would have missed the car and kept going - the problem is you did not even try, you just locked up the brakes and down it went.
Not anticipating the turning car might cross your path... Im sorry but in this world that is on you - you could have slowed down and NOT trusted the car to stay put - but you didnt....
Anytime a car is in a position where it MIGHT cross your path you have to see it, you have to slow down, you have to cover your brakes, so that if it does, you can swerve or brake before hitting... because... THATS HOW IT IS
BTW, on a bike with ABS you CANT lay the bike down because the wheels will not lock up.
As a new rider to Kentucky (from Georgia) there is NO helmet law. I honestly can’t believe it because a helmet saved my life once. I see probably 7 out of 10 riders not wearing one daily. So, besides the obvious term, what shall we call those daring souls? Head bangers is already taken 😂
I know an ER nurse that called them “pumpkin heads”.
Squid = Newbie with arrogance
Common sense and clear information. Good for any rider.
Common sense and clear information. Good for any rider!
Low side.... you don't get run over by your ride...
Great video and topics Kev. How about a virtual tour of your new digs, looking good. Love the logo on the facility floor. How about some more video on slow turns using the DCT without the a clutch and the friction zone. Especially the throttle by wire sensitivity and use of the rear break to mimic friction zone.
Great idea
I have been riding since 1970. I have taken factory sponsored advanced rider training. I have a bit of a motorcycling library. I am kind of into bikes one might say. I believe the term "laying it down" arose at a time when it was not uncommon to find yourself with crappy tires on wet or sandy/pea gravel covered roads and one or both tires would lose traction and the machine would start to slid out from under the rider and go down. As an FYI, I have at least one M/C book from the early 1970's that illustrates laying it down and slipping off the bike in a controlled manner. The idea being you will slide a lot further if you hang on to the bike (increased mass) but if you separate from bike the rider's reduced mass will allow them to come to a quicker halt than the bike. My father-in-law was a successful racer in the 1930's and early 1940's and during WW2 he was a motorcycle instructor teaching dispatch riders in England how to run fast and hard on pavement and off road. One of the learning exercises was to soak a grassy field to make it slippery and to learn how to lay the bike down in a controlled manner once the wheels started to slip out from under you. Other than these types of situations I do not see how you could purposefully make a moving bike tip over in a controlled fashion as it is really a large gyroscope trying to maintain itself in an upright position. Yet stunt riders do it all the time in action movies.
Here is one. A motorcycle rider hitting the top of his helmet. Means a cop is up the road.
Great informative clip. Some i havent heard before and ive been riding sense i was 15. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hi, Kevin. Can l have forum support here?
I lost my account today, its say there "no account found" as l enter my username or email on forget password. Because l think, l change the password.
My username is loutfiena and email just put gmail after it.
Such strange, yesterday was fine, and today it's gone?
You left out "Asphalt Ballet". Lol
This makes me an ATGATT. Its the only way to go. Another cool episode thank you
I noticed that the display with the map/GPS on the motorcycle (for example, in the last few seconds of the video) looked different than I remember. Was there a new update? Is that the new Android feature? Or am I just blind?
Barhoppers. This is a colloquialism for people who don't understand the fundamental error of drinking and riding. The term should be shunned by all serious motorcyclists.
re: barhopperz - "When they're not found outside the bar, parts of em can be found in salvage yards throughout the country." LMAO out loud heartily at that one. Liked and subscribed
Why does that first ding (paint chip) on your new motorcycle hurt so bad!
Great video and good to see you outside. As a New Yorker from Long Island, many of my rides run along waterfronts. Loved seeing that marina in the background. Is it really in North Texas?
Hey, Kevin! Congratulations about the excellent video and the wonderful new editing! What chin mount do you use on your Shoei helmet for the action cam? Seems pretty smart!