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Egypt, Grece, Italy or Spain would be pretty interesting regions for gen 9, and i hope that Gen 9 comes in nintendo's next console, Gamefreak has shown that they will not attempt to work hard on the Switch.
I'm gonna have to object to the point about Haina Desert representing Pearl Harbor. The Haina Desert is on Ula'ula Island, which is based on the Island of Hawai'i. Pearl harbor is on Oahu, the inspiration of Melemele Island. I know some liberties were taken with geography in this video, but this is stretching it.
I think they dont like to be always on the nose, like its a theme that they are inspired...taht and it's just as likely they mixed up the islands as well
However, the nearby Tapu Village is based on Kalapana, which was destroyed in the 80s by Kilauea, so it’s likely referencing that, as it was a disaster that destroyed a major component of the city if not the entire city itself, much like Nagasaki and Unova Route 4.
I mean, Pokemon regions dont have to be one to one translations of there ispiration. They can still take inspiration from one part of Hawaii, and just stretch it a bit for the sake of the game
@@HoopsandHipHop Wasn’t Ula’ula island from the Alola region subject to several disasters, like the desert, destroyed Tapu village, the abandoned thrifty mega mart, and possibly Po town?
When you brought up how Kokura was saved from the atomic bomb by "the weather," I thought you were leading up to talking about how, in both the past and the present, the cataclysmic battle between Groudon and Kyogre is broken up by the intervention of Rayquaza. The god of the sky, of the clouds; the dragon who, even moreso than those two, controls the weather. THAT is what I'd call a connect to the story of Kokura. Compared to that, Verdanturf being spared from some moderately unhealthy volcanic ash by the oddities of the region's wind patterns seems like kind of a weak connection. Sure, volcanic ash could arguably be a metaphor for nuclear fallout - something that happens NEAR where an atomic bomb is dropped - but the battle between Groudon and Kyogre is more akin to the actual explosion.
Love to see both my fav Poketubers collaborating. Also adding to the desert theory, Haina Desert is nearby Tapu Village and Tapu Village is the location in Alolan lore where Tapu Bulu destroyed the village because he was pissed at people, so the desert theory even fits in-game lore.
13:05~ Except for the fact that "Pearl Harbor" is still in Alola? Hau'Oli City's port IS LITERALLY the Pokémon World's "Pearl Harbor". Ten Carat Hill IS "Diamond Head Mountain". (This was back BEFORE the reveal & release of Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl.)
The connection to Kokura is definitely solid and while it wouldn't surprise me that there are World War 2 inspirations in Hoenn the rest of the arguments are a stretch/rely on some other theories being factual.
@@Israel_Augustine I think you are misremembering. The weapon they use is called the Ultimate Weapon the Holo Caster is the communication device used in the region
"every desert area in Pokemon has some relation to acts of war and terrorism" ...what about Route 228 and the Kalos Badlands? those certainly exist and were not mentioned at all, not even mentioning the shaky reasoning for the Haina Desert.
Route 228 as well as the rest of the Battle Zone is based on Sakalis Island (shaky on spelling), which Japan and Russia have fought over for years and still were at the time of DP’s release (though Sinnoh doesn’t contain the northern part of the island, where the disputes were at the time). The Kalos Badlands though… that one is rough. Haina Desert at least has a natural disaster to help it along, even though Hau’oli’s marina is directly based on Pearl Harbor.
@@AstaryuuGaming it makes sense that Sakhalin is the inspiration for the battle resort area, although that's a disputed territory and not the direct act of war that lend credit to Route 111 and Route 4. And what natural disaster inspired the Haina Desert, if you recall? It's definitely not inspired by Pearl Harbor as there are many inconsistencies, but I'm always down to learn more about real-world inspirations.
@@Volcanron Kilauea erupted in 1986, destroying the town of Kalapana (re: Tapu Village), which is said to have been caused by Pele (since there is no Fire type Tapu, Bulu will have to do).
@@AstaryuuGaming that definitely works for Tapu Village, but I'm not entirely sold on if that would apply towards Haina as well; still very interesting to learn, thank you :)
Yeah, I dunno about this. Like, Verdanturf being based off that one town in Japan that was almost nuked, I can get behind, because it's simple and the director of the game has strong ties to that actual town/region, but everything else feels like a bit of a stretch. Especially because that desert evidence only works is of several other fan theories with shaky foundations would need to be true for this to be as well. These WW2 connections only work if you stretch a lot of facts to fit the theory IMO.
While the Kokura connection is neat, the Nagasaki one is considerably weaker. You say that Route 111 is "almost exactly" where the bomb was dropped in Nagasaki... even accounting for creative liberties, no, it isn't-- it's considerably further north, and I feel like they would have either stuck New Mauville in Route 111 or put the desert in Route 110 if that was the intended connection.
I am pretty sure Nagasaki is equivalent to Slateport City in the Pokemon world, so hearing them saying it is close to the desert makes me feel extremely weird. But I'm sure anyone who is not familiar with Japanese geography could be easily misinformed. Possibly he himself is misinformed, too.
Verdanturf Town has one of my favorite musical tracks in Pokemon. It's similar to the Azalea Town/Day Care/Blackthorn City theme in G/S/C, which was my favorite as a kid.
By far the darkest Pokémon theory I’ve ever heard and one of the most intriguing. Love the research that went into this and it makes so much sense. Never thought I’d hear Pokémon & WWII in the same topic of discussion
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No, you are not misremembering things. There is a desert North of Luminose City where the Kalos Power Plant is. Possibly they just can't come up with a good victim for France, and I'm pretty sure they've got something wrong since the Peral Harbor is located in Honolulu (equivalent to Hau'oli City), which is on a totally different island from where Haina desert is.
I think that the deserts may be a way of showing respect; in a world designed to be an artistic rendition parallel to our own, it perhaps could be seen as disrespectful to make a historical area with a dark history into a beautiful thriving part of the Pokémon world. Much like Verdanturf's lush unique grass textures, and known as a place protected by weather -- the inverse, the place with the harshest of temperatures and survivability could just signify the most weathered areas of the world we know; choosing to not paint over the past at least not so lightly... Or at least those are my ramblings on my thoughts when seeing the contrast of the more beautiful with the more desolate. I greatly enjoyed this Pokémon theory, cheers!
If you really want to lap on more references to WW2 in Hoenn - Wally Even though Wally canonically has a respiratory illness such as asthma or chronic bronchitis, this could also be a reference to the many illnesses and complications caused by radiation exposure that inspired stories such as Saduko and the Thousand Paper Cranes. Though it can be a stretch it's still something to think over
Just to explain the desert in the wild area. Motostoke is likely based on Birmingham in England which was a large part of the industrial revolution. It was heavily bombed alongside other industrial cities in Central England during WW2 and so fits the theme for deserts
I'm pretty sure I've seen the WW2 reference with the Hoenn region like 10 years ago since I started to look for Pokemon on the Internet. I'm very astonishing that this was brought up today as a secret.
Something else I'd like to add: Before you can enter Route 111, you have to get the GoGo Goggles because the constant sandstorm of Route 111 would damage your eyes otherwise. If we're going with the idea that Route 111 represents Nagasaki, this could be a reference to how the areas were the bombs were dropped were HEAVILY irradiated, causing people who were lucky/unlucky enough to survive the bomb to get bulging tumors all over their bodies. Instead of GoGo Goggles, it would be radiation suits, and instead of a sandstorm, it'd be the radiation left after the bombs.
Nice vid. But idk how Nagasaki and the bunker location match up on the map. It looks like it should go farther south, comparing the position to the landmass just off the coast to the East, and the general shape of the main land
@@kodokunagemu ok, so if Slateport is based if Nagasaki, and then a bomb dropped there, people would need a bunker to escape to, so they built a bunker near it, ( as seen in the map comparison) and escaped there
While I don't agree with everything, it is still a very interesting theory and if true, I have to applaud that level of detail that the developers put in.
I noticed you have the Pokemon The First Movie and Pokemon 3 movie soundtracks on the shelf behind you. Me too. Did your Pokemon 3 soundtrack come with a bonus track containing all the music tracks from Pokemon 2000 too?
So, if Mt. Chimney is Mt. Aso, Nagasaki is Slateport, Mauville is Kumamoto, Rustboro is Fukuoka, then Verdanturf is probably based on Kurume and possibly Omuta. Also, Mt. Pyre is Sakurajima. Not saying this disproves anything, just throwing this out there, for reference.
I thought you where going to talk about the theory that prior before sun a moon came out everyone thought Wally died from his disease after you fight him on victory road
This is incredible. I love how fans are making theories and discovering things about these older games, many years later. Reminds me of how a couple weeks ago, I saw a theory about how the Regi trio was connected to the bombs, and also the victims of the bombs. It apparently is a popular theory in Japan, but not too much outside of there. If this sounds interesting, here's the link to the video by Goose Boose ruclips.net/video/wj1bkM8x3bM/видео.html Edit: Didn't mean to promote someone lol, this video reminded me of that other video and I thought watching these two would only add to the value of this video.
I remember people saying that Relicanth's design was based on a torpedo. I mean, we already have Sharpedo, but it kinda looks like one. Also, it's strange that the torpedo is one of the pokemon needed to find the Regis.
Not to mention the delta episode which was a about a meteor falling towards Hoenn. Sounds like nuke to me. Also, Mega Sceptile can launch it's tail like a nuke. Of course, it's inspired by geckons sacrificing their tails to distract the predator but making the tail a nuke cannot be a coincidence.
"Is Gamefreak just into use deserts to represent past bombings and terrorist attacks?" Orre is a huge desert region. If memory serves right and while not a terrorist attack, the Manhattan Project, which was about the construction and testing of atomic bombs, occurred in the Arizona/New Mexico region, which Orre is based on.
That’s more of a canyon area. The distinct thing about the deserts I mentioned is that they’re all your prototypical deserts, with sand blowing everywhere, etc., and other than gen 8 they’re the only of those kinds of areas that currently exist.
Interesting theory, I'll consider it if you can explain route 228 in Sinnoh. According to bulbapedia, that's a desert. Also route 13 in Kalos. Do these also fit this theory?
Route 228 is in what's basically South Sakhalin, that used to be Japanese. The Soviets took over the entire entire island alongside the Kuril Islands, the Sinnoh Battle Zone, after WW2. So the Soviets happening could be the disaster. Kalos' Route 13 is situated between Coumarine and Lumiose City, with Courmarine being La Havre and Lumiose being Paris. Either the Nazis happened or the Liberation of Paris was more destructive than previously thought.
Speaking of wars... It's nothing new but I was thinking just a few days ago about Lt Surge. If we consider Pokémon RGBY taking place around 1995, and Surge being at most 30 something, there are only 3 wars he could have fought on. Agaisnt Cuba, Lebanon or Vietnam. Being that he decided to stay in Japan, I'm guessing it was Vietnam since it is closer. So that would make Vietnam another confirmed region in the Pokémon world by proxy, right?
Huh! This video was a whole lot more interesting than I expected. That thumbnail and vague title really do the video a huge disservice. I put off watching the video and planned to just ignore it because it the thumbnail makes you think the video is just gonna be about the theory that Wally dies at the end because of the "death flowers" at the end of Victory Road. Surely I can't be only one who was put off by that.
Ok... While the desert in Alola Might be seen as Pearl Harbor, you really don't notice it, but the attack on the Aether Foundation by Team Rainbow Rocket is more along the lines of that basis. Think about it. The Aether Foundation is a Pearl-white fortress that sits in the middle of the ocean where people technically from Japan who seem to appear right out of the sky come to attack it. You can't tell that, That doesn't make for a retelling of the story of Pearl Harbor in the Pokemon games
Pretty sure that Alolan desert has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. It's on a totally different island. (Pearl Harbor is in Honolulu, equivalent to Hau'oli City. Totally different island)
Loved the video but a lot of the Reference Images threw me off lmao. Like 5:47 was a Soviet IL-2 and then 5:55 is I believe the American A-20 Havoc based off the guns. 6:10 looks like an American B-24 Liberator. Granted the latter 2 did serve in the Pacific but the Soviet IL-2 just hit me like a freight train when it appeared
I'm convinced that Hoenn has minor references to Japan post WWII simply because WWII had such a massive impact on the region and how that region is today that it would be inauthentic to try to exclude any impacts of that. I do not however buy that Unova's desert and Haina desert in Alola are specifically there to reference attacks. Pearl harbor wasn't an attack smack in the middle of the land and 9/11 wasn't just out of the way away from any urban areas. Sometimes a desert exists because they need a place to put a desert for ground type pokemon. You didn't even mention Kalos's desert in this hypothetical disasterbait
Unova Route 4 is literally right in between the two biggest cities in Unova. And it’s got ruined buildings on it, and it’s a relatively short route, just with a massive side area. It’s not desolate at all mate.
@@AstaryuuGaming BETWEEN is not IN. The incident happened IN the major city not between or around. I never said it was desolate I said the desert wasn't in any cities
12:24 "Meanwhile, the next desert area that we would see in Pokemon is Unova's route 4." False! Since you said "in Pokemon" instead of "in mainline Pokemon," that statement is blatantly false. There are actually two deserts in side games that appear between R/S/E and Black/White. Hell, if you're only counting side games that can still trade with mainline games, one of those two still counts.
Here’s some fuel for the flames- apocalyptic events? You mean like meteor strikes? And rayquaza- the embodiment of weather- is the one who can save them from an apocalypse? Oh and the final Pokémon in the hoenn dex… is a mutated virus. Of all things, it’s a literal mutation. An apocalyptic event with a viral mutation attached to its core as a threat. Those are some extreme allusions to the threats of an atomic bomb and the lasting effects of fallout. And the fact that the embodiment of weather is their supposed savior… it makes sense why maxie and Archie, culturally, are desperate to seek out the power of weather deities. Culturally, in a place where weather has saved them from apocalyptic events, it’s perfect.
Hoenn is by far the best region in my opinion. Best Pokémon, best overall starters, best story, best evil teams and best legendary trio. Not to mention mega evolution. Don’t @ me
Idk what y'all are even talking about here fr- *every single time* that _anyone_ brings up Hoenn, I'm always immediately like: **Snaps fingers** "Yup- Nazis & nuclear war dude!" _Who doesn't?!_ Nobody! 🤷🏻♂️ come on now... 🙄
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What if we are in Canada tho? This sounds awesome and I really want to try it out, but if ships only to the us then I wouldn’t be able to get the Bokksu even tho this sounds like an amazing business
@@Adash88 I would still give it a shot, I think they will ship to Canada, you might just have to pay for it
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Both of you did great
@@metalhopper0188 exactly
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You’re both some of my favorite Pokétubers so I loved this episode! Was not expecting this connection.
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Pokemon Gen 9 devs: "This new region features a variety of areas, like a desert--"
Historians: "oh no"
Plot twist: Gen 9 is based iff Switzerland
Egypt, Grece, Italy or Spain would be pretty interesting regions for gen 9, and i hope that Gen 9 comes in nintendo's next console, Gamefreak has shown that they will not attempt to work hard on the Switch.
@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 we just got a Europe based region, doubt they will make another one
I don’t really understand could u plz explain?
I swear I’m not dumb.
We already got a dessert in both GameCube games
I'm gonna have to object to the point about Haina Desert representing Pearl Harbor.
The Haina Desert is on Ula'ula Island, which is based on the Island of Hawai'i.
Pearl harbor is on Oahu, the inspiration of Melemele Island.
I know some liberties were taken with geography in this video, but this is stretching it.
I think they dont like to be always on the nose, like its a theme that they are inspired...taht and it's just as likely they mixed up the islands as well
However, the nearby Tapu Village is based on Kalapana, which was destroyed in the 80s by Kilauea, so it’s likely referencing that, as it was a disaster that destroyed a major component of the city if not the entire city itself, much like Nagasaki and Unova Route 4.
I mean, Pokemon regions dont have to be one to one translations of there ispiration. They can still take inspiration from one part of Hawaii, and just stretch it a bit for the sake of the game
Maybe Ten Carat Hill is based off of Pearl Harbor. I mean, it is a giant crater....
Not to mention the ignored the desert like area of kalos
Now that I think about it, meteors are a decent substitute for atomic bombs...
The plot thickens 👀👀
Both of them make things go boom
And what's the Pokemon that protects against meteors, Rayquaza, the Master of the Skies
@@HoopsandHipHop Wasn’t Ula’ula island from the Alola region subject to several disasters, like the desert, destroyed Tapu village, the abandoned thrifty mega mart, and possibly Po town?
When you brought up how Kokura was saved from the atomic bomb by "the weather," I thought you were leading up to talking about how, in both the past and the present, the cataclysmic battle between Groudon and Kyogre is broken up by the intervention of Rayquaza. The god of the sky, of the clouds; the dragon who, even moreso than those two, controls the weather. THAT is what I'd call a connect to the story of Kokura. Compared to that, Verdanturf being spared from some moderately unhealthy volcanic ash by the oddities of the region's wind patterns seems like kind of a weak connection. Sure, volcanic ash could arguably be a metaphor for nuclear fallout - something that happens NEAR where an atomic bomb is dropped - but the battle between Groudon and Kyogre is more akin to the actual explosion.
Love to see both my fav Poketubers collaborating. Also adding to the desert theory, Haina Desert is nearby Tapu Village and Tapu Village is the location in Alolan lore where Tapu Bulu destroyed the village because he was pissed at people, so the desert theory even fits in-game lore.
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13:05~
Except for the fact that "Pearl Harbor" is still in Alola? Hau'Oli City's port IS LITERALLY the Pokémon World's "Pearl Harbor".
Ten Carat Hill IS "Diamond Head Mountain".
(This was back BEFORE the reveal & release of Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl.)
The connection to Kokura is definitely solid and while it wouldn't surprise me that there are World War 2 inspirations in Hoenn the rest of the arguments are a stretch/rely on some other theories being factual.
Pokémon XY's evil team is based on the Nazi's. And the superweapon they use is literally called a *holo caster*
@@Israel_Augustine I think you are misremembering. The weapon they use is called the Ultimate Weapon the Holo Caster is the communication device used in the region
"every desert area in Pokemon has some relation to acts of war and terrorism"
...what about Route 228 and the Kalos Badlands? those certainly exist and were not mentioned at all, not even mentioning the shaky reasoning for the Haina Desert.
Route 228 as well as the rest of the Battle Zone is based on Sakalis Island (shaky on spelling), which Japan and Russia have fought over for years and still were at the time of DP’s release (though Sinnoh doesn’t contain the northern part of the island, where the disputes were at the time). The Kalos Badlands though… that one is rough. Haina Desert at least has a natural disaster to help it along, even though Hau’oli’s marina is directly based on Pearl Harbor.
@@AstaryuuGaming it makes sense that Sakhalin is the inspiration for the battle resort area, although that's a disputed territory and not the direct act of war that lend credit to Route 111 and Route 4. And what natural disaster inspired the Haina Desert, if you recall? It's definitely not inspired by Pearl Harbor as there are many inconsistencies, but I'm always down to learn more about real-world inspirations.
@@Volcanron Kilauea erupted in 1986, destroying the town of Kalapana (re: Tapu Village), which is said to have been caused by Pele (since there is no Fire type Tapu, Bulu will have to do).
@@AstaryuuGaming that definitely works for Tapu Village, but I'm not entirely sold on if that would apply towards Haina as well; still very interesting to learn, thank you :)
Great video! This fits well with the Japanese theory that the regi locations in hoenn represent world war II attacks
Thank you! 😊
@NS 317 why are you racist?
@@pyroflare7774 how’s that racist?
Yeah, I dunno about this. Like, Verdanturf being based off that one town in Japan that was almost nuked, I can get behind, because it's simple and the director of the game has strong ties to that actual town/region, but everything else feels like a bit of a stretch. Especially because that desert evidence only works is of several other fan theories with shaky foundations would need to be true for this to be as well. These WW2 connections only work if you stretch a lot of facts to fit the theory IMO.
While the Kokura connection is neat, the Nagasaki one is considerably weaker. You say that Route 111 is "almost exactly" where the bomb was dropped in Nagasaki... even accounting for creative liberties, no, it isn't-- it's considerably further north, and I feel like they would have either stuck New Mauville in Route 111 or put the desert in Route 110 if that was the intended connection.
I am pretty sure Nagasaki is equivalent to Slateport City in the Pokemon world, so hearing them saying it is close to the desert makes me feel extremely weird.
But I'm sure anyone who is not familiar with Japanese geography could be easily misinformed. Possibly he himself is misinformed, too.
Verdanturf Town has one of my favorite musical tracks in Pokemon. It's similar to the Azalea Town/Day Care/Blackthorn City theme in G/S/C, which was my favorite as a kid.
By far the darkest Pokémon theory I’ve ever heard and one of the most intriguing. Love the research that went into this and it makes so much sense. Never thought I’d hear Pokémon & WWII in the same topic of discussion
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What?! Yes, a crossover!
Is Route 228(Sinnoh) considered a desert area?
Technically no as there is precipitation, which I believe is the defining feature to a desert, whether it be full of sand or ice
Lumiose badlands too..?
Is that the snowy route? In which case, no
13:02 hey wait a minute didn’t Kalos have a desert or am I misremembering things?
No, you are not misremembering things. There is a desert North of Luminose City where the Kalos Power Plant is.
Possibly they just can't come up with a good victim for France, and I'm pretty sure they've got something wrong since the Peral Harbor is located in Honolulu (equivalent to Hau'oli City), which is on a totally different island from where Haina desert is.
@@hhjan594 I figured as much lol
Im surprised you guys didn't talk about the legendary weather trio here
Love your vids they are so full of information on pokemon.
Thank you! 😄
Honestly, I believe it. I do think that this is perfectly fine because it's important to learn the history about different locations.
But Pearl Harbor is located in Oahu, Melemele Island's counterpart, and Haina Desert is in Ula'ula Island, so the theory doesn't hold up as much here
Yeah especially when the games actually have a location that corresponds to Pearl Harbor
isn't Kalos' route 13 also a desert?
It is but also to support the theory France was invaded in world war 2 and had many civilian targets bombed.
Nice profile pic duck game is so underated :(
Bulbaledia claims route 13 is badlands
I think that the deserts may be a way of showing respect; in a world designed to be an artistic rendition parallel to our own, it perhaps could be seen as disrespectful to make a historical area with a dark history into a beautiful thriving part of the Pokémon world. Much like Verdanturf's lush unique grass textures, and known as a place protected by weather -- the inverse, the place with the harshest of temperatures and survivability could just signify the most weathered areas of the world we know; choosing to not paint over the past at least not so lightly...
Or at least those are my ramblings on my thoughts when seeing the contrast of the more beautiful with the more desolate.
I greatly enjoyed this Pokémon theory, cheers!
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If you really want to lap on more references to WW2 in Hoenn - Wally
Even though Wally canonically has a respiratory illness such as asthma or chronic bronchitis, this could also be a reference to the many illnesses and complications caused by radiation exposure that inspired stories such as Saduko and the Thousand Paper Cranes. Though it can be a stretch it's still something to think over
11:25 Nagasaki doesn't match at all the place where New Mawvile is in the Hoenn region.
it's soooo awesome to watch you both on the same video. i love both your channel guys.
Makes even more sense now about castform being the weather pokemon. Yes it's a water molecule, but water is literally H2O, H2...OH!
Just to explain the desert in the wild area. Motostoke is likely based on Birmingham in England which was a large part of the industrial revolution. It was heavily bombed alongside other industrial cities in Central England during WW2 and so fits the theme for deserts
5:46
Talks about the two Atom Bombs dropped on Japan; shows the wrong aircraft several times instead of the B-29 Superfortress...
I'm pretty sure I've seen the WW2 reference with the Hoenn region like 10 years ago since I started to look for Pokemon on the Internet. I'm very astonishing that this was brought up today as a secret.
Something else I'd like to add: Before you can enter Route 111, you have to get the GoGo Goggles because the constant sandstorm of Route 111 would damage your eyes otherwise. If we're going with the idea that Route 111 represents Nagasaki, this could be a reference to how the areas were the bombs were dropped were HEAVILY irradiated, causing people who were lucky/unlucky enough to survive the bomb to get bulging tumors all over their bodies. Instead of GoGo Goggles, it would be radiation suits, and instead of a sandstorm, it'd be the radiation left after the bombs.
That was very interesting. Makes sense too, as quite a few things in video games are rooted in reality.
Oh boy...it's "Pokémon will end after gen 6" levels of madness all-over again!
This ties in well with a uncommon theory of the regies based on nuclear bomb dropping
Nice vid. But idk how Nagasaki and the bunker location match up on the map. It looks like it should go farther south, comparing the position to the landmass just off the coast to the East, and the general shape of the main land
If people wanted to escape to new Mauville, they would probably build it further from the bomb area, because of nuclear waste and stuff
@@alisagman1027 if that was the idea, then why compare it to a real map and a location farther south.
@@kodokunagemu ok, so if Slateport is based if Nagasaki, and then a bomb dropped there, people would need a bunker to escape to, so they built a bunker near it, ( as seen in the map comparison) and escaped there
While I don't agree with everything, it is still a very interesting theory and if true, I have to applaud that level of detail that the developers put in.
Some mushrooms are known to absorb radiation, I wonder if that's like Lockstin was wearing a mushroom shirt.
I noticed you have the Pokemon The First Movie and Pokemon 3 movie soundtracks on the shelf behind you.
Me too. Did your Pokemon 3 soundtrack come with a bonus track containing all the music tracks from Pokemon 2000 too?
I'm convinced! Pokemon always had that low key darkness
This is great!
I think your darkest theory is regarding The Ruins of Alph. Man that one had me shivering
even Galar's desert... ever heard of The Blitz?
So, if Mt. Chimney is Mt. Aso, Nagasaki is Slateport, Mauville is Kumamoto, Rustboro is Fukuoka, then Verdanturf is probably based on Kurume and possibly Omuta. Also, Mt. Pyre is Sakurajima. Not saying this disproves anything, just throwing this out there, for reference.
I thought you where going to talk about the theory that prior before sun a moon came out everyone thought Wally died from his disease after you fight him on victory road
There is a theory that I recently saw that the Regi trio also represents the bombs and the survivors of that day.
Dude XD I was like wtf I didn't hit skip haha lockstin cameo noice!
it's in the title
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I really love all these new videos, great job man!
A Chicken and A Cow dropped the bomb
This is incredible. I love how fans are making theories and discovering things about these older games, many years later. Reminds me of how a couple weeks ago, I saw a theory about how the Regi trio was connected to the bombs, and also the victims of the bombs. It apparently is a popular theory in Japan, but not too much outside of there.
If this sounds interesting, here's the link to the video by Goose Boose
ruclips.net/video/wj1bkM8x3bM/видео.html
Edit: Didn't mean to promote someone lol, this video reminded me of that other video and I thought watching these two would only add to the value of this video.
Interesting
I think it's not the darkest secret, but the darkest real life reference in Pokemon.
I remember people saying that Relicanth's design was based on a torpedo. I mean, we already have Sharpedo, but it kinda looks like one. Also, it's strange that the torpedo is one of the pokemon needed to find the Regis.
Not to mention the delta episode which was a about a meteor falling towards Hoenn. Sounds like nuke to me. Also, Mega Sceptile can launch it's tail like a nuke. Of course, it's inspired by geckons sacrificing their tails to distract the predator but making the tail a nuke cannot be a coincidence.
Might be two years late but isn't the apocalypse bunker and desert labeled route 111 of mauville, a reference of the fallout series.
I mostly associate XY and the ultimate weapon to the bombs that were dropped on japan
No, I say it's the Nazi's and the Nazi's are Team Flare
I would place my bets on the Unova desert being a reference to The Manhattan Project.
Huh, I didn’t think I’d see Lockstin here.
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Lt. Surge mentions a war in Joto, I wonder wich one he was referring to?
Yeeee, Lockstin and Hoops colab
Man, that's really interesting info of the region
Dottler and Barraskewda also have WW2 connections.
Now Im curious about Paldea's desert
"Is Gamefreak just into use deserts to represent past bombings and terrorist attacks?"
Orre is a huge desert region. If memory serves right and while not a terrorist attack, the Manhattan Project, which was about the construction and testing of atomic bombs, occurred in the Arizona/New Mexico region, which Orre is based on.
Considering Colosseum and XD were developed by Genius Sonority and not Game Freak, I doubt the reference is there.
@@TheWildDeadHero Yeah true...
Random thought what the owl house’s day of unity is a possible retcon to how Pokémon.
Junichi masuda is the responsible for TOO MUCH WATER!
so........all deserts are unnatural? that's cute. you should be at bera magna.
Even more proof for hoenig and ww2, registeel's original sprite.
The desert thing is very creepy...
What about Kalos Route 13? But I do like the idea of deserts being allusions to acts of tragedy in the area the region is based on
That’s more of a canyon area. The distinct thing about the deserts I mentioned is that they’re all your prototypical deserts, with sand blowing everywhere, etc., and other than gen 8 they’re the only of those kinds of areas that currently exist.
Route 13 in Kalos? Verdun or the Ardennes are both east of Paris
What about that desert area in Kalos? Or is it not technically a desert?
Not necessarily a bomb dropping, but Route 13 is close to Normandy.
I Think you base a big part of your theories on other unconfirm theories and then Loop it around?
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Interesting theory, I'll consider it if you can explain route 228 in Sinnoh. According to bulbapedia, that's a desert. Also route 13 in Kalos. Do these also fit this theory?
Route 228 is in what's basically South Sakhalin, that used to be Japanese. The Soviets took over the entire entire island alongside the Kuril Islands, the Sinnoh Battle Zone, after WW2. So the Soviets happening could be the disaster.
Kalos' Route 13 is situated between Coumarine and Lumiose City, with Courmarine being La Havre and Lumiose being Paris. Either the Nazis happened or the Liberation of Paris was more destructive than previously thought.
The atomic bomb, dropped by the Unovan bomber Emolga Golurk
12:15
I didn’t know that a terrorist attack happened on Rt. 228 of the Sinnoh postgame
Speaking of wars... It's nothing new but I was thinking just a few days ago about Lt Surge. If we consider Pokémon RGBY taking place around 1995, and Surge being at most 30 something, there are only 3 wars he could have fought on. Agaisnt Cuba, Lebanon or Vietnam. Being that he decided to stay in Japan, I'm guessing it was Vietnam since it is closer.
So that would make Vietnam another confirmed region in the Pokémon world by proxy, right?
Hoenn looks like it was nuked... at least on the eastern side
I feel that gen 6 desert area could also fit in
Have you ever thought about making a video on how n and wally look insanely alike
Woah that’s true. And they look like Wallace too
Huh! This video was a whole lot more interesting than I expected. That thumbnail and vague title really do the video a huge disservice.
I put off watching the video and planned to just ignore it because it the thumbnail makes you think the video is just gonna be about the theory that Wally dies at the end because of the "death flowers" at the end of Victory Road. Surely I can't be only one who was put off by that.
Ok... While the desert in Alola Might be seen as Pearl Harbor, you really don't notice it, but the attack on the Aether Foundation by Team Rainbow Rocket is more along the lines of that basis. Think about it. The Aether Foundation is a Pearl-white fortress that sits in the middle of the ocean where people technically from Japan who seem to appear right out of the sky come to attack it. You can't tell that, That doesn't make for a retelling of the story of Pearl Harbor in the Pokemon games
Pretty sure that Alolan desert has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. It's on a totally different island. (Pearl Harbor is in Honolulu, equivalent to Hau'oli City. Totally different island)
@@hhjan594 no. The attack on the Aether Foundation is Pearl Harbor. That's what I was trying to point out
Loved the video but a lot of the Reference Images threw me off lmao. Like 5:47 was a Soviet IL-2 and then 5:55 is I believe the American A-20 Havoc based off the guns. 6:10 looks like an American B-24 Liberator. Granted the latter 2 did serve in the Pacific but the Soviet IL-2 just hit me like a freight train when it appeared
Wow that's is some very heavy dark stuff about Pokemon 😳😟
You forgot to mention the Fürer bunker
How about the desert in Sinnoh? What tragedy does it represent?
So does that mean the Orre region in a big bomb crater? And Unova was bombed?
I'm convinced that Hoenn has minor references to Japan post WWII simply because WWII had such a massive impact on the region and how that region is today that it would be inauthentic to try to exclude any impacts of that. I do not however buy that Unova's desert and Haina desert in Alola are specifically there to reference attacks. Pearl harbor wasn't an attack smack in the middle of the land and 9/11 wasn't just out of the way away from any urban areas. Sometimes a desert exists because they need a place to put a desert for ground type pokemon. You didn't even mention Kalos's desert in this hypothetical disasterbait
Unova Route 4 is literally right in between the two biggest cities in Unova. And it’s got ruined buildings on it, and it’s a relatively short route, just with a massive side area. It’s not desolate at all mate.
@@AstaryuuGaming BETWEEN is not IN. The incident happened IN the major city not between or around. I never said it was desolate I said the desert wasn't in any cities
12:24 "Meanwhile, the next desert area that we would see in Pokemon is Unova's route 4." False! Since you said "in Pokemon" instead of "in mainline Pokemon," that statement is blatantly false. There are actually two deserts in side games that appear between R/S/E and Black/White. Hell, if you're only counting side games that can still trade with mainline games, one of those two still counts.
Here’s some fuel for the flames- apocalyptic events? You mean like meteor strikes? And rayquaza- the embodiment of weather- is the one who can save them from an apocalypse? Oh and the final Pokémon in the hoenn dex… is a mutated virus. Of all things, it’s a literal mutation. An apocalyptic event with a viral mutation attached to its core as a threat. Those are some extreme allusions to the threats of an atomic bomb and the lasting effects of fallout. And the fact that the embodiment of weather is their supposed savior… it makes sense why maxie and Archie, culturally, are desperate to seek out the power of weather deities. Culturally, in a place where weather has saved them from apocalyptic events, it’s perfect.
The atomic bomb was made by the Manhattan project, Manhattan being a borough on New York City. Would make more sense than 9/11.
Britain was bombed very heavily during WW2, so you would think that there would be something like that in game too.
Maybe they couldn’t pin a specific location for it? Still think they could’ve tried harder. Maybe if the base game wasn’t so rushed…
Hoenn is by far the best region in my opinion. Best Pokémon, best overall starters, best story, best evil teams and best legendary trio. Not to mention mega evolution. Don’t @ me
Idk what y'all are even talking about here fr- *every single time* that _anyone_ brings up Hoenn, I'm always immediately like:
**Snaps fingers**
"Yup- Nazis & nuclear war dude!"
_Who doesn't?!_ Nobody! 🤷🏻♂️ come on now... 🙄
A collab with 2 of my fav poketubers fuck yeah!!
I don't remember new mauvile at all from when I was a kid
Thats because it was added in the ORAS games. So it never appeared in the original sapphire and ruby
@@kenzihenderson5258 oh wow thank you no wonder