DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [SILENCE IN THE LIBRARY / FOREST OF THE DEAD MEGA REVIEW]

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  • @HarrysMovingMedia
    @HarrysMovingMedia  4 года назад +119

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    • @epicrabid1857
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      @joshmythenhealy4915 4 года назад +3

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    • @willgrainger2767
      @willgrainger2767 4 года назад +2

      Harry's Haunted House done!

    • @sethfletcher6069
      @sethfletcher6069 4 года назад +2

      I'd love there to be a 'Midnight' Review, God I love how it portrays the fear of humans when they feel scared for their lives. Also Waters Of Mars is a episode where it presents the true darkness of a Time Lord and the result of meddling with a fixed point in time and actually changing history itself. Please Harry...

    • @hannahkenney6846
      @hannahkenney6846 4 года назад

      Would you ever consider reviewing some classic doctor who episodes, cause these reviews are so good and because classic who stories are longer than new who ones, they’d be a lot more ground to cover

  • @ragerodracir
    @ragerodracir 4 года назад +1389

    Donna: *being the most comedic companion*
    Writers: You get tragedy

    • @Roboshi2007
      @Roboshi2007 4 года назад +8

      you missed the quotes around "comedic"

    • @mikiaization
      @mikiaization 4 года назад +56

      makes sense.
      comedy/tragedy - two sides of the same coin.

    • @nyassaisleaving990
      @nyassaisleaving990 4 года назад +13

      Y she is one of the best companions imo.

    • @McDADDyK
      @McDADDyK 4 года назад +45

      Donna's "death" was more tragic than Rose's

    • @jickboi308
      @jickboi308 4 года назад +2

      That explains why bill got the death she got then

  • @jeckjeck3119
    @jeckjeck3119 4 года назад +843

    You didn't notice the foreshadowing.
    Donna: ''I saw The Doctor.''
    Doctor Moon: ''Yes Donna. You saw The Doctor, and then you forgot.''
    Series 4 finale: *Donna forgets*

    • @thenerdofthenorth8205
      @thenerdofthenorth8205 4 года назад +28

      Woah, I never saw that.

    • @HT-lr1rs
      @HT-lr1rs 4 года назад +38

      Woah, you added another dimension of foreshadowing.

    • @dominicthorp3248
      @dominicthorp3248 4 года назад +48

      Holy hell, if that was on purpose then that was absolutely brilliant foreshadowing

    • @jeckjeck3119
      @jeckjeck3119 4 года назад +10

      @@dominicthorp3248
      Change just one words and it will be: ''Yes Donna. You -saw- were The Doctor, and then you forgot.''

    • @amandaoroberts
      @amandaoroberts 2 года назад +4

      Ouch 😣

  • @jemimajust827
    @jemimajust827 4 года назад +804

    Miss Evangelista's death was the most haunting thing in Doctor Who since the empty child. You just felt so gutted how she was treated so badly and then ghosted about Donna saying 'You know what I said before, about being stupid? Don't tell the others, they'll only laugh'. Broke my 12 year old heart. Fuck it, im gonna watch it again for the hundredth time. I miss this old Who so much

    • @overlydramaticpanda
      @overlydramaticpanda 4 года назад +113

      What makes the "don't tell the others" thing even worse are the looks on the rest of the crew's faces when they hear it. They're all clearly so deeply ashamed of themselves and there's a clear sense that, if the situation was different, they all absolutely *would* have laughed about it if Donna had told them and they all know it. As it is, they just have to witness (and listen to) this completely horrific thing that's basically unknowingly telling them all that Miss Evangelista was 100% aware of their attitude towards her and none of them can ever make it up to her or even just apologise.

    • @jemimajust827
      @jemimajust827 4 года назад +34

      @@overlydramaticpanda I agree, it definatley hit a certain nerve with me as a kid. Anyone who has ever experienced bullying would feel effected by that scene. I wasn't the most academic when I was at school and I felt her pain so hard.

    • @charliejones3119
      @charliejones3119 4 года назад +8

      This is one of the best episodes like it's such a roller-coaster there's death the enemy is soemthing that eats flesh and controls the suit with bones in like it's terrifying

    • @salem_meow7137
      @salem_meow7137 4 года назад +8

      Oh these episodes alway terrified me just because of those repeated lines, when Miss Evangelista repeats Ice cream or Proper Dave says Hey who turned out the lights. Chilling.

    • @siddiqsmouse5004
      @siddiqsmouse5004 3 года назад +2

      EVERY SINGLE TIME I HEAR IT, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I CRY LIKE A BABY

  • @aaron2k026
    @aaron2k026 4 года назад +627

    "not every shadow. But any shadow"
    Now that is chilling.

    • @jokermaness
      @jokermaness 4 года назад +22

      You see the Moffat on the shelf at 17:11 now that's chilling

    • @kingshark9057
      @kingshark9057 3 года назад +1

      @@jokermaness 😮

  • @xPanda25
    @xPanda25 4 года назад +426

    No mention of the scene where Lee saw Donna but because of his stutter he couldn't get the words out to get her attention? That scene was so heartbreaking

    • @MilA-eh3gf
      @MilA-eh3gf 3 года назад +14

      Just thinking about it makes me want to tear up... I cried so much in these episodes when I first saw them but that moment specifically was burned in my memory. Donna will feel a loss but at least she could believe it was all a dream not possible to come true anyway; but Lee would have felt such intense regret because she was right in front of him but he wasn't able to reach her.
      I wasn't able to re-watch this story for more than 2 times but now more than a decade later I still remember everything and all the emotions I felt back then. 10/10 episodes. I miss stories like this.

    • @philosophicaljay3449
      @philosophicaljay3449 3 года назад +20

      The real tragedy of Donna Noble. Had the perfect family and lost it all and missed the chance to regain a part of it. The worst is Lee's perspective. Donna knew she made up her children and could be convinced her perfect husband (as that is how she viewed him) was also invented, but he was real. Lee, however, knows that Donna is real. He saw her and due to a disability he was unable to get her attention, thus, in a way, losing her all over again.
      I genuinely love these episodes but it is hard to rewatch it because of this.

    • @franl155
      @franl155 3 года назад +5

      I was wondering why he didn't just step off the transporter pad and go after her; he had several seconds. But then, it would have dampened the Doctor-Donna relationship a tad.

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan Год назад

      I think Lee is a tragic character

  • @noneed4me2n7
    @noneed4me2n7 4 года назад +429

    I was always saddened that Donnas stuttering silent Husband couldn't reconnect after the shows resolution and that it was never followed up.

    • @AirQuotes
      @AirQuotes 4 года назад +37

      Right I wonder why they didn't recast him for her final episode when she actually gets married.

    • @TPH250290
      @TPH250290 2 года назад +31

      @@AirQuotes Why would they have? He was a random guy from a complete other millennium and solar system.

  • @DanTheMan2150AD
    @DanTheMan2150AD 4 года назад +638

    I’ll be honest if these stories didn’t get those ratings, there probably would have been a riot in the comments.

    • @jackwolowacz9382
      @jackwolowacz9382 4 года назад +12

      Citation: Heaven sent video

    • @plutoreturns9630
      @plutoreturns9630 4 года назад +5

      @@jackwolowacz9382 Lmao that was not received well.

    • @mr.randomguys7629
      @mr.randomguys7629 4 года назад +2

      The Reverse When I watched the review for Heaven Sent I was shocked as I think it’s one of (if not the) beat New Who episode.

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 4 года назад +315

    *Empathy is Donna's superpower.* I adore that, of everything, the most horrifying thing she ever saw was the death of Miss Evangelista.

    • @FrostyTheSnowPickle
      @FrostyTheSnowPickle 3 года назад +10

      Note: The death and ghosting of Miss Evangelista. She was dead but still somewhat thinking.

    • @mackielunkey2205
      @mackielunkey2205 2 года назад +5

      It makes sense that it is, because all of her life, she's been trying to get herself a good job and a good life overall, but life throws her a bone. it makes sense that she'd understand how it's like to be mistreated.

  • @bmsvg7356
    @bmsvg7356 4 года назад +773

    I miss stories like this. Scary, thought provoking, chilling and emotional. Now we’ve got meh.

    • @tikitong7285
      @tikitong7285 4 года назад +71

      We haven't even got that anymore

    • @QuokkaCore
      @QuokkaCore 4 года назад +28

      Eh, I thought Fugitive of the Judoon and Haunting of Villa Diodati were good, not amazing, not brilliant, just good.

    • @DanTheMan2150AD
      @DanTheMan2150AD 4 года назад +8

      The Dodo unfortunately Haunting is just a mediocre Silver Turk, which if you haven’t heard... you owe it to yourself to.

    • @QuokkaCore
      @QuokkaCore 4 года назад +6

      DanTheMan 2150AD I would but I cannot for the life of me sit through an audio drama.

    • @mongolianfishingvillages1371
      @mongolianfishingvillages1371 4 года назад

      Yup

  • @dyerdude8490
    @dyerdude8490 4 года назад +175

    What I love about rewatching this episode is this idea: When you first watch it you are in the doctors shoes not knowing who River is and what’s to come. But when you rewatch it now knowing what is happened with River, you have switched into her shoes with you knowing everything and the doctor not. I wish there was more of this absolute brilliance from Moffet as show runner

    • @ShadowKamehameha32
      @ShadowKamehameha32 4 года назад +43

      Say what you will about Moffatts run, he had plenty of misses, but when he hit it, he hit it hard

    • @charmedx3219
      @charmedx3219 4 года назад +20

      I always wonder if maybe Moffat spread himself to thin doing doctor who and Sherlock. That's why he never seemed to invest the time needed to flesh things out to make complete vsense. But I am glad he wrote the 50th and feel he got tired near the end or let the criticism get to him changing his writing style and lossing self conviction.

    • @cja5612
      @cja5612 4 года назад +8

      @@charmedx3219 He did say in an interview that s7 was miserable for him coz of the scheduling he had himself under and yh certain people didn't like his timey wimey stuff so he kinda changed a bit

    • @Cyber_Smoke
      @Cyber_Smoke 4 года назад

      The flash does something like this with it's villain reverse flash he makes references to things that happen much later in the show.

  • @MrGreaves
    @MrGreaves 4 года назад +316

    Was surprised you weren’t convinced by Tate’s performance when her children disappear. Always thought the performance was haunting and gut-wrenching. But hey, thank god you praised the rest of the episode or I’d have your head

    • @AdamLloyd128
      @AdamLloyd128 4 года назад +41

      Agree with you here - I actually think this was her best piece of acting, period. Weird that he loved Distortalista's monster mash face but didn't enjoy Tate knocking it out of the park

    • @joangibb7480
      @joangibb7480 4 года назад +23

      Donna's husband and family were what she dreamed of. A handsome, loving husband and two beautiful children in a nursery with lovely toys and accoutrements. Her dream. That's why it hurt so much when it ended for her.

    • @MrGreaves
      @MrGreaves 4 года назад +8

      Adam Lloyd Yeah 😂 the face was chilling but hasn’t aged as well as it could’ve

    • @Roadtoplat123
      @Roadtoplat123 3 года назад +7

      Agreed when I was 5 or 6 her performance left me screaming for my mum to see if I was real

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan Год назад

      Except the Husband Lee was real and one of the people trapped in the Library

  • @volrogue
    @volrogue 4 года назад +257

    Miss Distortalista's face scared the absolute shit out of me as a kid!
    Seriously, I'd just run out of the room if I was alone!

    • @pebbel_7803
      @pebbel_7803 4 года назад +26

      Oh my God someone else! No one understood my fear of it but I think it was due to the amazing build up, not the actual face.

    • @TheProJuicers1
      @TheProJuicers1 4 года назад +9

      had to skip that portion of the review hahahahaha

    • @billygoat9666
      @billygoat9666 4 года назад +26

      I remember watching it in 2008, and being terrified, even now I hesitate to watch it even though it’s basically a snapchat filter.

    • @MrMaster7112765
      @MrMaster7112765 4 года назад +6

      I still can't watch that bit, 12 years later

    • @craigreilly1613
      @craigreilly1613 4 года назад +8

      Wow I'm not the only one. It's so hard to explain to friends that this random distorted head was the biggest thing that scared me as a kid. But to be fair I was 6 when I watched the episode.

  • @benjamincooper358
    @benjamincooper358 4 года назад +344

    Just realised that River is Moffat's Captain Jack

    • @shamu6935
      @shamu6935 4 года назад +27

      @@Ciphervero Captain Jack was created by Russell x

    • @NameWasntTaken
      @NameWasntTaken 4 года назад +4

      OHHHHHHHH

    • @reichtangle7734
      @reichtangle7734 4 года назад +6

      NL16Fifa HD No Moffat created Jack as he was first seen in the empty child which Moffat wrote.

    • @mickys8065
      @mickys8065 4 года назад +31

      @@reichtangle7734 no, Moffat wrote the empty child but as show runner russell has over all control, he wrote the character of jack and knew that he would introduce him in what would become the empty child then it was up to Moffat to write a good story around it. They say so in the empty child commentary as Moffat enjoyed writing an episode about somebody elses character.

    • @daveyonthedaily9525
      @daveyonthedaily9525 4 года назад +7

      I want jack back :(

  • @KnightOfAwesometon
    @KnightOfAwesometon 4 года назад +104

    I always get choked at the ending scene when River initially awakens in the simulation and she's looking around all confused, only for Cal and Doctor Moon appear and explain everything to her, Cal saying "I thought you'd be lonely, so I brought you some friends." Then River turns to see her colleagues strolling towards her, all with smiles on their face, and she simply says:
    "Oh for heavens sake. He just can't do it, can he? That man...That impossible man. He just can't give in."

  • @daniellepeterson1666
    @daniellepeterson1666 4 года назад +58

    whenever my dad would would walk into a dark room he would say “hey who turned off the lights?!” i love it

  • @bobsteryt
    @bobsteryt 4 года назад +154

    I've got to agree this is one of my favourite stories of the entire show.

    • @QuokkaCore
      @QuokkaCore 4 года назад +3

      It would be my favourite if The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances didn’t exist.

    • @matthewgriffiths9796
      @matthewgriffiths9796 4 года назад +4

      @@QuokkaCore all of moffats early episodes are great. He has written great episodes since then but I think he works better writing singular stories

    • @Dominate955
      @Dominate955 4 года назад +7

      Family of Blood 2 parter was good as well as Planet of the Ood

    • @josephwood8274
      @josephwood8274 4 года назад +1

      The impossible planet and the satan pit are my favourites

    • @Dominate955
      @Dominate955 4 года назад +2

      @@josephwood8274 That's the one I meant lol

  • @MitchCyan
    @MitchCyan 4 года назад +118

    Moffat has cemented our fear of statues and now he moves on to shadows.

    • @handshoesandhorsegrenades1848
      @handshoesandhorsegrenades1848 4 года назад +7

      He was trying to ruin everyday life for us

    • @mrflibble1259
      @mrflibble1259 4 года назад +14

      The episodes with the simple concepts are always the best

    • @moneybxndz161
      @moneybxndz161 4 года назад +3

      Mr Flibble until they further develop it into a full story arch

  • @plutoreturns9630
    @plutoreturns9630 4 года назад +100

    In River's narration at the end she says "I do think that all the skies of all the world's might just turn dark if he, for one moment, accepts it". Not only does this speech combined with the music and the Doctor running back provide a rush of hope to the viewer, but I also think it foreshadows Turn Left (it's a stretch, I know, as Moffat didn't write Turn Left, but I wouldn't be surprised if him and Davies worked together on even subtle plot threads like this).
    In Turn Left the Doctor dies because he loses his will to save and becomes so caught up in drowning the Racnoss. He needed Donna there to snap him back into reality. Him forgetting himself results in his death, which eventually leads to the stars going out in all universes "all the skies of all the world's might just turn dark".

    • @Tonatsi
      @Tonatsi 4 года назад +3

      Plutoreturns I like to think that, at the very least, they discussed the future plot together and Moffat decided to through in a reference

    • @rkah6187
      @rkah6187 4 года назад

      Brilliant, I've never thought of that before.

    • @chimeragenesis361
      @chimeragenesis361 Год назад +2

      Steven Moffat & Russell T. Davis are known to have great respect for each others writing. Turn Left was originally supposed to feature Donna having children, before Russell saw Moffats script for the Library two partner & decided it worked better there. Also the happy ending for the Sick Patients in 'New Earth' the first regular series episode of David Tennant's run, only happened because Moffat wrote a quote about Davis's tendency to kill off characters & Russell decided to change their fate because of that quote.

  • @setokeiber8679
    @setokeiber8679 4 года назад +114

    Basically spazzed it just now when I realised the atrium the doctor and Donna landed in is Brangwyn Hall in Swansea where I did my exams last year. Genuinely sat where the Tardis was 😂

    • @scootybooty1363
      @scootybooty1363 4 года назад +5

      Not only that but also the round room where the Doctor and Donna meet the archaeologists and River is the reading room in thE Alex building of UWTSD

    • @william...1
      @william...1 4 года назад +1

      is it still there? it was meant to be ripped down after the episode was filmed, i wonder if it went through

  • @abigailwildlife1322
    @abigailwildlife1322 4 года назад +53

    honestly when we saw donna's vr husband but he had his stutter so couldn't shout for her.... thats what got me, donna just shook of the relationship assuming he wasn't real and it was heartbreaking

  • @justdenks
    @justdenks 4 года назад +88

    This is the best story river song had
    Change my mind

    • @QuokkaCore
      @QuokkaCore 4 года назад +7

      She was pretty good in Series 5 and a *few* stories in Series 6, I also quite liked Husbands, but this is her at her best no doubt!

    • @Genexperiment100
      @Genexperiment100 4 года назад +14

      Close call with husbands of River Song, but giving that the ending of that story could only carry the weight it did because of this one you might be right.

    • @moneybxndz161
      @moneybxndz161 4 года назад +3

      The Dodo any episode river song was in was the best tbh

  • @thedoctorwhoexpert7
    @thedoctorwhoexpert7 4 года назад +21

    Moffat confirmed recently that River acquired the squareness gun from the TARDIS from when Captain Jack left it there in Series 1

  • @caridadchang7895
    @caridadchang7895 4 года назад +48

    River's character arc is honestly one of my favorite ones in all of sci-fy because it is very difficult to introduce a character backwards, with her "death" being the first thing we learn about her and then just two seasons (series in the uk I know) we see her birth and the concequences people face when trying to live a normal life while travelling through time and space at the same time
    and yes I know that not every episode was a masterpiece but the overall character arc is still really well done

    • @OscarOSullivan
      @OscarOSullivan Год назад

      Her story is one of my favourite Doctor Who arcs

  • @stayforthepeelpronpls4774
    @stayforthepeelpronpls4774 4 года назад +43

    10:33 I genuinely spat laughing. That was so unexpected.

    • @Voltaic_Fire
      @Voltaic_Fire 3 года назад +1

      Yeah it really took me by surprise too, I did one of those really quite painful snort laughs.

  • @elonmusket5676
    @elonmusket5676 4 года назад +235

    This is moffats best story leagues ahead of blink

    • @nathangibson2114
      @nathangibson2114 4 года назад +42

      That's tough because they are so different. In Blink the Doctor is not even the main character... both are excellent.

    • @doodoo5594
      @doodoo5594 4 года назад +1

      top tier

    • @unscreened
      @unscreened 4 года назад +10

      The empty child?

    • @kneau
      @kneau 4 года назад +1

      They're each components of one story?

    • @Dominate955
      @Dominate955 4 года назад +9

      I'm not sure any story is better than blink, although this was an exceptional story

  • @jonathanskinner7647
    @jonathanskinner7647 4 года назад +72

    This is still my favourite two parter all these years later. The creepy atmosphere, a great monster that should never return to the show. Likeable side characters die which is refreshing when I look at the latter end end of new who. River song is great and anyone who says she isn't is lying. Donna's dream world is horrifying on so many levels. This 2 parter is just great

    • @loftus4453
      @loftus4453 7 месяцев назад

      I’ve watched it SO many times ❤

  • @peepeetrain8755
    @peepeetrain8755 3 года назад +14

    can'r believe you forgot to add in one of the most donna lines:
    "so you're telling me this world is not real? I've been Dieting!"

  • @frogradar
    @frogradar 4 года назад +14

    "how that camera schnurgh" *moves*

  • @FortoFight
    @FortoFight 4 года назад +55

    As Stubagful (or possibly Nitpix) pointed out, who actually hid literally behind the sofa? Hiding behind a cushion whilst on the sofa makes sense, but are people really getting off the sofa and running behind it? Don't most people have theirs sofas against the wall?

    • @jasperyoung6060
      @jasperyoung6060 4 года назад +6

      Didn’t NitPix say that?

    • @FortoFight
      @FortoFight 4 года назад +2

      @@jasperyoung6060 Might have been yeah, lol

    • @jasperyoung6060
      @jasperyoung6060 4 года назад

      ULOIRAR nice edit😂👍

    • @alexdebstep3424
      @alexdebstep3424 4 года назад +6

      Me, I literally hid behind the sofa as a kid. Cos a cushion wasn't enough, I needed to peek over the fortress that the sofa provided. So, Nitpix can take his sardonic ass elsewhere and live in a world where an absolute childhood exists. "Who actually hid literally behind the sofa?" Just cos you didn't, doesn't mean others didn't also.
      This sort of overall generalisation where you speak for all, whilst only speaking for some, is not a vibe dude

    • @bebbibabey1246
      @bebbibabey1246 4 года назад

      I used to push the sofa back from the wall to hide behind it 😂

  • @saeedk7537
    @saeedk7537 4 года назад +206

    Random fact: the actress who played miss evangelista ended up marrying and divorcing Elon musk twice

    • @aethon0563
      @aethon0563 4 года назад +21

      @ilikebacon but did you also know that she both married and divorced Elon Musk twice? Just some more random trivia for you.

    • @MrBopee
      @MrBopee 4 года назад +14

      @@aethon0563 That's really cool, honestly reminded me that the actress for Evangelista actually married and divorced Elon Musk twice.

    • @spaceaidsman4535
      @spaceaidsman4535 4 года назад +5

      Mr Bopee that’s kinda cool but
      I bet you didn’t know Mrs evangelist married the creator of Tesla car twice
      It’s kinda cool

    • @AirQuotes
      @AirQuotes 4 года назад +5

      You guys think you're so smart but I bet you didn't know that the actress that plays Angela in Westworld married and divorced Elon Musk twice.

  • @bobbimorse8460
    @bobbimorse8460 4 года назад +17

    Everytime the lights turn off and a member of my family wants them back on they’ll say “Hey, who turned out the lights?” repeatedly until they’re back on. That’s the effect Doctor Who has on society.

  • @ir0ngamer393
    @ir0ngamer393 4 года назад +18

    “Why do you even have handcuffs?”
    “Spoilers!”
    😏

  • @ClappingForChlamydia
    @ClappingForChlamydia 4 года назад +33

    I agree, the latter half of this series is the best Doctor Who ever got to be. The rating you gave these episodes was absolutely warranted.
    I would disagree, however, that Tate's performance was off when the children vanished. When you consider that her entire story arc in the series begins and ends with her wanting to fall in love, get married, and start a life, the gradual realization throughout Forest of the Dead that her reality has been a lie is all the more heartbreaking. In my opinion, the Donna-centered part of the story is the most underrated (and underdeveloped) thing in this episode. The one gripe I would have with this two-parter (if any) is that the writers decided to have Donna's illusion happy marriage be a part of it, and not part of a different episode (say, Turn Left: Donna never meets the Doctor, but does fall in love and has a perfect marriage, only to have to sacrifice it all in order to prevent the Doctor from dying in her past). But I get that the writers needed to give Donna something to DO in these episodes, to have the screen time between River Song and the Tenth Doctor be the focal point.
    The River-Ten plot overshadowed everything else in these two episodes (as it should have), so unfortunately the Donna stuff just seemed a bit underdeveloped. I also wonder if they had at one point intended to bring back the Lee McAvoy character, as I think that would have been the best send-off for Donna (especially as the Doctor-Donna who had forgotten everything that happened in this entire series).

  • @gooseincrocs
    @gooseincrocs 4 года назад +8

    ‘Hey who turned out the lights’ haunted my childhood, 2008-2009 were the best doctor who years, the writing, the chemistry between david and catherine, the foreshadowing, the crossovers and the doctor seeming hopeless in journeys end, russel is by far the best writer, he knew how to make viewers emotional

  • @jamesosborn1555
    @jamesosborn1555 4 года назад +55

    I’m 14 almost 15 and am still shit scared of these episodes, along with blink, midnight, night terrors, the empty child episodes and those milk men clone ones
    Edit: they’re called gangers lmao

    • @Sara-xr9ph
      @Sara-xr9ph 4 года назад +7

      i’m almost 20 and i sleep with the light on after rewatching this lmao

    • @william...1
      @william...1 4 года назад +6

      waters of mars zombies?

  • @Uni_Iris_1
    @Uni_Iris_1 4 года назад +7

    Tennant: BOOKS!
    Advert: Audible!

  • @wardy6224
    @wardy6224 4 года назад +6

    This and the waters of mars have gotta be the best episodes that stuck in my memory from my childhood

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 4 года назад +19

    6:12 *Moffat is the master of fear of the unknown, also known as 'cosmic horror.'*
    Statues which move when you aren't looking, creatures in the dark, slendermen you forget you saw, or entities evolved to never be seen. He writes monsters you can't comprehend, and there's a horror in that.

    • @paddystrongjaw9995
      @paddystrongjaw9995 4 года назад +1

      nightowl like Harry said, HP Lovecraft would be proud.

    • @peacemaster8117
      @peacemaster8117 4 года назад

      I don't think any of those qualify as cosmic horror, I mean he describes the monster in this episode as "piranha of the air"... seems pretty comprehendable. The real cosmic horror of Moffat is his refusal to actually plan his stories out and come up with a good ending. It defies all reason.

    • @nightowl8477
      @nightowl8477 4 года назад

      @@peacemaster8117 - come on, man. Don't be one of those who takes every opportunity, however tenuous, to have a go.
      You can't physically imagine what each of those creatures look like for various reasons. *That's* what bestows them an incomprehensible nature.

    • @peacemaster8117
      @peacemaster8117 4 года назад

      @@nightowl8477 I'm not having a go, I'm disagreeing with you. Their mechanics are described in detail, there's nothing cosmic about them.

    • @nightowl8477
      @nightowl8477 4 года назад

      @@peacemaster8117 - but you can't physically perceive of them. Alright, we know what unfrozen Weeping Angels look like after Flesh and Stone, but otherwise...

  • @drd2121
    @drd2121 4 года назад +10

    25:30 how he says “look me up”. Mannnnnn, he may as well have just said “bow to me”

  • @libbyford6765
    @libbyford6765 4 года назад +7

    Absolutely adore Rivers introduction and subsequent death in this episode, it is so goddam tragic and I can’t think of a better way to pull together an emotional storyline in a time travel show, it doesn’t even fully pay off until years later too which just makes it better

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 4 года назад +1

      That scene when she describes her doctoris devestating after you've watched Husbands

  • @chazzyp1001
    @chazzyp1001 4 года назад +7

    Can't wait to see the review of Midnight. imo one of if not THE best standalone episode of new who since we are told NOTHING and the doctor who always seems to know something, if only rumours or stories, is completely in the dark for the whole episode.

  • @shrimp3rjr413
    @shrimp3rjr413 2 года назад +4

    25:30 that *growl* from David is exceptional. Jodie just hasn't had the chance or just isn't able to show that proper anger in a realistic way.

  • @tracydavenport5126
    @tracydavenport5126 4 года назад +6

    These two, and A Good Man Goes to War, will always be my all time favorites.

  • @dancingcarapace
    @dancingcarapace 3 года назад +5

    And the fact the Moffat managed to complete River’s arc beautifully in the Husbands of River Song blew my fucking mind. Moffat *really* knows how to make stori s for the long run!

  • @p2powers520
    @p2powers520 4 года назад +6

    Got my wife into watching doctor who with me and she just saw this episode for the first time today. This is her second favorite episode so far behind blink.

  • @adamharvey907
    @adamharvey907 4 года назад +13

    I wouldnt be surprised if the queen was watching this rn

  • @lady__katie__
    @lady__katie__ 4 года назад +7

    there are two things i didn’t like about this episode:
    *1. when river pulls out the diary and asks the doctor if they had done certain things together yet.*
    it doesn’t make sense because this version of the doctor is younger and different from the version in which she actually did those certain things with... but i let it pass because i just learned david almost did series 5. that scene would have made more sense if he was the doctor in series 5 but oh well!
    *2. the vashda narada just run away from the doctor.*
    why would they do that?? because they were scared!? why would they be scared of him?!?!
    earlier in the episode, the doctor is heard saying he doesn’t know how to defeat these creatures, which i’m sure the vashda narada heard too or are simply aware of that fact.
    the vashda narada had the upper hand and honestly just could have killed him.
    it would have made more sense if the doctor had been formulating a plan to defeat them, and threatened to defeat them if they didn’t leave him alone, instead of him using empty threats. (this is a big moff trope and it comes back in episodes like the eleventh hour)
    ok I lied i have one more issue but it’s minor...
    3. the fact that there are a TWO invisible antagonists ( vashda narada and the midnight entity) in this series is a little much but they’re both terrifying and written pretty well that i don’t mind it too much.

  • @davidsteel4993
    @davidsteel4993 4 года назад +4

    11:08
    It's probably a story telling room judging by the small chairs in front of the big chair.

  • @thecloakedreaper2673
    @thecloakedreaper2673 4 года назад +7

    I would like to point out that the ‘plot hole’ at the end of the first episode isn’t actually a plot hole as in the Doctor dances captain jack says ‘the special features drain the battery’ shortly after replacing the roof after they fall through the floor to escape. This then implies that the replacement feature does not come as standard and thus could explain why river doesn’t replace the wall

    • @cja5612
      @cja5612 4 года назад +4

      someone knows their stuff. Nice one

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 года назад +1

      Ooh, that's good. Shows me that I should watch The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances again.

  • @vampiresquid2635
    @vampiresquid2635 3 года назад +3

    This and the Water on Mars episode gave me nightmares when I was young, I loved it but they were just so creepy. Like the part where the character we barely knew dies and the part where they keep repeating, "who turned out the lights?" and omg terror

  • @mrtjm1152
    @mrtjm1152 4 года назад +8

    The fact Moffat set up rivers story arc in this episode, a series before his own, makes him both a very talented writer, and an absolutely cocky bastard. I dont like the *majority* or Moffat's writing but this was an interestingly written story...

    • @majordddd
      @majordddd 2 года назад

      He is a great writter but sucks at being the show runner. Rtd did a great job as using him but making sure the show was amazing.

  • @williamtsinontas6297
    @williamtsinontas6297 4 года назад +3

    The funny thing is, Vashta Nerada first appeared in the episode love and monsters as the thing that killed Elton's mother

    • @Dayvis2niverse
      @Dayvis2niverse 4 года назад

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but that was an elemental shade.

  • @magicamadeye
    @magicamadeye 3 года назад +4

    This two parter was how i found doctor who;
    Everyone: dont blink
    Me: count the shadows. Or donna noble has left the library donna noble has been saved

  • @Roadtoplat123
    @Roadtoplat123 3 года назад +2

    The reason why river didn’t use her blaster to close the wall is because jack said his blaster could only do that by using a special feature

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 4 года назад +27

    0:50 *is there a Skillshare course on smooth transitions?*

  • @TheAstip
    @TheAstip 4 года назад +4

    This is one of my favourite Doctor Who stories. The Vashta Narada are probably the scariest creatures and I always feel spooked when I'm in darkness after watching the episodes again

  • @bengale9398
    @bengale9398 4 года назад +8

    Brilliant review for my favourite David Tennant story. I was also wondering when Miss Evangelista gets killed by the Vashta Nerada and she repeats "Ice Cream" as her last words, was that an intentional dig at her intelligence? Due to ice cream being associated with childish behaviour

    • @TheAstip
      @TheAstip 4 года назад +6

      It said that it repeats the persons last thoughts, so I guess she was just really craving some ice cream

    • @chefboiarby304
      @chefboiarby304 4 года назад +7

      Ice cream -> I scream

  • @_Studio_Noah
    @_Studio_Noah 3 года назад +2

    The distorted face scene and the scene when the kids disappear fricking broke me and it still does 8 years later

  • @craptastiko6513
    @craptastiko6513 3 года назад +1

    the part about the statue playing back the last moments reminds me of the burial chamber scene from LOTR when gandarf reads the last writing of the dwarfolas , they are coming! creeptastic

  • @WithADashOfPazazz
    @WithADashOfPazazz 4 года назад +7

    literally just watched this two parter with a friend, very good, they also mentioned how for ages they thought donna's ultimate ending was heartbreaking but upon revisiting this and seeing what donna goes through...maybe it's not a bad thing :/ 💀

  • @Voltaic_Fire
    @Voltaic_Fire 3 года назад +1

    Damn it, the random Chuckle Brother really took me by surprise. 😂

  • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
    @CerealExperimentsMizuki 4 года назад +3

    These episodes legitimately freaked me out and are one of the things that helped give me a fear on what's in the dark.

  • @owenmoriartymusic
    @owenmoriartymusic 3 года назад +1

    23:42 the thing that always scared me about the kids disappearing was that I watched it when I was about their age and had that boy's exact dragon around my bed wtffff

  • @piplup2009
    @piplup2009 4 года назад +7

    The ending of forest of the dead got way better after watching husbands of river song

  • @jaythosonmp439
    @jaythosonmp439 4 года назад +4

    if i could, for future re-releases of season 4, when the doctors running to save river i'd make a mashup of the 10th, 11th, and 12ths themes to play, as if all of them are going to save her, but eh, thats just me being cheesy, but with a show like this some cheese is ok

  • @pundahandz7403
    @pundahandz7403 4 года назад +2

    Harry's pure enjoyment and happiness talking about this amazing story is just what I needed this week. It's been rough.

  • @wardjunior1450
    @wardjunior1450 4 года назад +13

    Real doctor who
    Journeys end is the best ep ever though.

  • @bensadventuresonearth6126
    @bensadventuresonearth6126 3 года назад +2

    I still have shivers watching this episode after so many years, even though I almost know it by heart -- while at the same time I have no recollection of what happens in Season 12...

  • @masterslayerable
    @masterslayerable 4 года назад +4

    These 2 episodes and Human nature 2 parter are my favorite episodes to rewatch in all of doctor who

  • @macmonkeyhat
    @macmonkeyhat 4 года назад +1

    Sometimes I wish these had been the only episodes River appeared in, and her connection to the doctor was just left a complete mystery.

  • @greglinks
    @greglinks 4 года назад +18

    This episode played on the channel W yesterday, and it was just as good as I remeber. Even for my 4th time watching, the fear factor is still there. I just cant wait now for you to review midnight aswell, two cracking stories

  • @jemimajust827
    @jemimajust827 4 года назад +7

    Finally, these two are my absolute favourite episodes. Seen these episodes so many times, and both never get old. The story was simple, and I feel you could have broadcasted it today and it won't feel dated Thank you for reviewing this!

  • @ChaoticJester
    @ChaoticJester 4 года назад +1

    here is an interesting thing: the previous tenth doctor failed to Save River here which is why he added the life support system in her Screwdriver when he became 12

  • @purplepeace2188
    @purplepeace2188 Год назад

    The Library was actually a real library. The episode was filmed in the old Swansea library. That is Swansea Wales. It was closed at the time and being moved to the new one we have at present, that is due to move at some point so we've been told for the past few years. Anyway, the old Swansea library had a wonderful study room that was circular with a tiled floor and a pretty glass dome, lots of beautiful wooden desks and railings, very Victorian. What a pity it's no more.

  • @carealoo744
    @carealoo744 4 года назад +1

    I didn't know the: 'Not My Doctor,' phrase came from this!

  • @daffythscoot
    @daffythscoot 4 года назад +12

    This episode gave me nightmares, so I let my younger sister watch it and she got them too xD

    • @Hsel-lc1wt
      @Hsel-lc1wt 4 года назад

      I still have trouble watching it because of how much it scared me as a kid lol

  • @sonnykingcomposer
    @sonnykingcomposer 4 года назад +6

    Euros Lynn is an amazing director.

  • @redcoatray1784
    @redcoatray1784 4 года назад +4

    I’m so glad he finally got to Silence in the library, my favourite episode completely.

  • @hyper_5pace902
    @hyper_5pace902 4 года назад +1

    3:03 *Ad comes in* "Download your free audio book on us"

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 4 года назад +1

      That's one of the two adverts I get. The other is from some site called Trading212. I don't know why I keep getting those.

  • @fluffypinkpandas
    @fluffypinkpandas 6 месяцев назад

    i like as you did
    how the writing aknowledged that
    > if someone knows the doctor can time travel
    > and turns into a different person when they "die"
    > you NEED to keep certain events away from them so that they don't use the spoilers as a time traveler's almanac/roadmap to tackling events, giving themselves existential dread, causing paradoxes, ruining things for other people, or entering a deathloop where they burn all of their timelord revives in a short period of time
    KEEPING TIME TRAVELERS AWAY FROM SPOILERS IS HARD
    AND SO NECESSARY

  • @thegreenmage6956
    @thegreenmage6956 4 года назад

    That chuckle brothers ‘it’s a hidden door’ insert absolutely gave me the best little laugh I’ve had in AGES. Thanks.

  • @GamerMike413
    @GamerMike413 Год назад

    The library gives me big Anor Londo vibes. Giant empty architecture that clearly was once the height of a golden civilization. Spooky yet amazing

  • @LordDaret
    @LordDaret 9 месяцев назад +1

    20:30 another reason why the computer is skipping a bunch of time is because it is storing the brains of about 5000 people. I think they do mention this later on but CAL was doing everything she could to keeping these people alive, so she was trying to conserve as much processing power as possible, and as such the simulation had to be optimized as much as possible.

  • @CaptainCushty
    @CaptainCushty 4 года назад +1

    Does anybody else think it's weird that Dr. Moon's glasses have no lenses?

  • @Jedi_Spartan
    @Jedi_Spartan 4 года назад +2

    Sort of weird how Big Finish added River to the Doctor's timeline pre Tennant.

  • @CineScarborough
    @CineScarborough 4 года назад +1

    This is my favourite story of Series 4 without a doubt. The Vashta Nerada absolutely terrified me as a kid; I couldn't stand in shadows for weeks after watching.

  • @svenlauke1190
    @svenlauke1190 Год назад +1

    "I am the doctor and you are in the biggest library in the universe, look me up!"
    "it say here he usually just bullshits his enemies into running away without ever actually having a plan....guess we can eat him no problem"

  • @samrichardson5971
    @samrichardson5971 4 года назад +2

    I remember when Silence in the Library first came out when I was 12. I was very glad for the making of episode right after because without it I really wouldn’t have been able to sleep that night.

  • @squid9882
    @squid9882 9 месяцев назад

    It's amazing how much Donna looks like a young Sylvia at 20:54

  • @nightowl8477
    @nightowl8477 4 года назад +1

    Your editing was especially on-point here, Harry.

  • @harryt7363
    @harryt7363 4 года назад +1

    I have good memories of Forest of the dead, going to the shops to get a pick and mix before it started and watching it with my family and then getting really scared when you see the woman’s face scared

  • @yugoxgc
    @yugoxgc 7 месяцев назад

    "You just killed someone I liked. That is not a safe place to stand"
    Damn CHILLS every freaking time

  • @TokuNorth
    @TokuNorth 3 года назад

    River whispered The Doctor's name in her first appearance and in her last appearance (timeline wise) was in "The name of the doctor"

  • @therizinosaurus214
    @therizinosaurus214 3 года назад

    I loved how they get you curious and sad for both the doctor and river in these episodes

  • @scientic
    @scientic 4 года назад +2

    "Without a shadow of a doubt."
    Nice.

  • @Mineycart
    @Mineycart 4 года назад +2

    Love how in the tone meeting for this episode they were planning on turning the scene where the doctor flies down the tunnel into him going in a lift, I mean that would ruin the tension wouldn't it 😂

  • @davidwells9982
    @davidwells9982 3 года назад +1

    There have been many episodes in the Tennant/Smith era that I loved, and a few that rose to the level of a 9 or 9.5, but the three I can't deny are Blink, Silence in the Library, and Forest of the Dead: They are 10/10 in my book. Just watching this review got me choked up again. I'll never forget that moment when he runs back down and grabs the screwdriver. I was like, "YES! SAVE HER DOCTOR! HOLY CRAP I LOVE THIS SHOW!"
    Then I watched it again, but this time with my son who was finally old enough to handle the show. He saw that moment and yelled, "YEAAAAH! 'MERICA!"
    I was so proud.

  • @ak73372
    @ak73372 3 года назад +1

    The first time I saw the two parter, it was 2 am and I was in my room with the lights out. You can bet you ass I didn’t sleep at all that night.

  • @robindavda8967
    @robindavda8967 4 года назад +1

    Wow what perfect timing for the audible ad 3:03