I hope it's clear I've not been huffing vast quantities of copium. I'm realistic that players and creators are walking away and Forza already had a long development cycle pre-release to get things right. I'm also a balanced and fair person who will cover any progress made after T10's January 9th Community Update, but there's no doubt the clock is now ticking to deliver a complete game. Thanks as always for all your support on the channel 🧡
I'm still waiting for Turn10 to acknowledge the grapichal downgrade, if they can do that, then mayybe they'll release a visual overhaul. Untill then, this game is a scam
The graphics are pretty shitty you are correct, FH5 blows it out of the water and the base xboxone of last gen should have no problem running it, so what gives? Ground up, 6 years, i know covid hurt alot but i mean cmon microsoft.
My graphics settings reset with the update & started struggling, I pulled it back to a point where they probably look better than what I was running before but it still seems super inconsistent in quality between tracks and weather conditions.
@@hotcircuit yeah don't even try running interior-view without RTAO in a cloudy weather. Looks worse than NFS Shift 2 or even roblox 💀 This game is incredible inconsistent and unoptimized, it's 50/50 if you're gonna have memory leak and CTD or not. I experience memory leak and crashes everytime I play this game and I'm also on a RTX 3080 Great video, btw 😎
@@elakpucko3 Thank-you. My graphics benchmark struggles to break 64fps, in gameplay itself it does seem to hover around 80-90 at 1440p but the optimisation is definitely not good when you compare it to AMS2 on the Madness engine which looks and runs great, even in VR or a lower spec PC.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who wasn't overly bothered by the progression. In just like normal testing of cars I often have the adjustment parts unlocked and able to equip😅
It's not uncommon for cars in other racing games to go unplayed. Even paid ones in iRacing where you think people would be invested see some series drop off and die. I saw the car levels and rotation of spec series multiplayer as a solid way to encourage rotation. I do see the other side too though 🫤
As of update 4.0 I can not play the game anymore. I enjoyed the GT and TCC spec series immensely. But since the update the tracks disappear AGAIN and the "No you can not change fuel and tyres before the race" bug also appeared again. Which makes me start on my Quali fuel and tyres... It completely ruins the fun for me. So I will wait a few days/weeks before going at it again. They are really really really testing my patience with this game.
Same, spent an hour dialling in my forcefeedback settings, jumped into a race and instantly got murdered during practise and the game crashed. 🤣 Assetto Corsa for me until they fix their broken game.
They're testing a lot of us. I haven't ever seen the track bug myself, but the pre-multiplayer-race loading screen has shown its face for me too, and I'd not seen that since before update 1 😭
I'm guessing a lot of the live service content, even the new stuff, was already ready to release around launch. So if the devs went on a Christmas break it makes sense they'd still have content ready but not many bug fixes. Its just the nature of consistent live services. Tracks don't take the exact same amount of time to make, even if they're building off existing foundations, so the only way to assure a monthly schedule is to have a backlog. Same with the cars, though the backlog there would be cut content from previous games. This is fine if there's actually enough content at launch to start with, but there isn't.
I understand there can be licensing issues but was still surprised to see the relatively small track list at launch but like you say, they're now drip-feeding them in. Again, that's not something I have huge objection to in light of other issues but is still worth a mention 👍
@@hotcircuit I don't think it's got anything to do with licensing. They want to add tracks as the live service goes on, but they know they won't have one ready every single month so if they hold back a few from launch it's a lot simpler. Theres also the fact that it definitely does take time to overhaul these tracks. The nordschleife is definitely a case where the sheer scale of it means it takes a long time to replace everything with higher quality assets
Good comments with a lovely English accent! (From a Pom in Australia) Nice to see they have addressed a couple of the many sound issues, I think the Capri and GT3 Bentley may sound better too (but is it wishful just thinking?) I hated them last time I used it, went back to Seven briefly, ahh, that's better... But now in Eight, hmmm.
Glad you enjoyed, hope you're doing great over there. I haven't explored all of the changes to be fair but if they keep chipping away at things like that, it's an overall positive as they all add up. As for whether the 3 key areas they've identified for bigger work will come quickly... 😬
No, you're completely wrong it is too late. devs need to stop putting out broken games then saying oops we are sorry when they get their arm twisted about it being a pile. Its going to become the new normal because other devs will see they can do this and get another chance. Id rather wait for another gem on day 1 than see a turd get baked and polshed because at the end of the day that baked and polished turd is just that a turd.
I can't (and don't want to) argue with that POV at all. I don't think any of what's happened is remotely OK, especially from a developer with such a huge company behind it. If nothing else, I hope this stops people preordering games. The industry as a whole is treating players like they don't matter. I want to see the game pull it back from the brink for the people who've spent money rather than to hail T10s achievements.
I've been super critical of the AI. The multiplayer is the main bit for so many players, but you can't give a terrible single-player experience (a) for people who enjoy playing alone and (b) when the Builders Cup is sold before release as a huge part of the experience.
Great video as always! I think it is an important first step that Turn 10 released the statement acknowledging the feedback about their drivatars. Hopefully they will follow up with good improvements eventually.
We should give them the room to correct the issues, but also not give them enough room to say, "next time we'll pre-order your game again." It needs to be a reality check that players get what they paid for. Thanks so much for your support and comment 👊
You are in for a treat with the Formula Mazda Series (*cough* have a couple of early videos from when they were first in if you want to get and idea *cough*) Great video as always
I'll never know what to say to a comment like this. I certainly don't think I rightfully belong at any particular size but you bet I appreciate the support from people like you! 👊
I think my biggest issue is that it is just boring. It's not a terrible game but it isn't great or even good, it's just meh. Most of Microsofts games have been like that. Starfiled, halo, redfall, grounded etc have all been "I'll give this a shot because there is nothing else out" kinna games that I really tried to like but they just fall short compared to ps5 and switch. Microsoft need to do better, the xbox one days are gone, no more excuses, we need game that actually push the hardware and are actually good.
I think that's an interesting point. I turned my attention to the AI as my focal point for why Career isn't fun. Whilst this is true, it'd really benefit from some sort of narrative, cutscenes or reason to care why you're progressing from one series to another.
@@hotcircuit nope no error at all, The first tiny splash screen pops up then the game shuts down. took 3 ticket's out on the forza website and all closed due to them havning enough info... i've lost faith in forza t10 now :(
The progression was clearly made to drag out time for Gamepass retention. It’s dumb and not fun. This game is poor but does get more of a pass because many people are playing it on Gamepass instead of paying $70+.
I quite like some element of car levelling, but I agree they thought about time spent in-game rather than if it was any fun. Game pass players (unless they only have it for FM) probably get the better deal right now overall while we wait for updates.
of course it will be better at a later date, but now I wont play it as it is. Such a mess and unappealing. So Ill look for alternatives. Didnt try iracing, rfactor and ACC yet. Theres not a small chance ill never go back. Shame that they released such an unfinished product, I really anticipated it and btw bought the full package. And even greater shame the fixes take ages compared to other games or is it that they cant be fixed because its by design?(!)
I'm pretty concerned about the same things. AI will be harder to overhaul than car levelling or penalties. I'll continue to play/cover Forza as I'm invested in the soap opera now but start sprinkling in some other racing games when I have a good reason to.
I respect that considering current player numbers as they are. For me it's still ticking to see how they address the big issues mentioned in the statement, but for how long?
I am one of those people who enjoys Forza Motorsport, and despite the issues and frustrations, I simply can't stop playing! And that's because the core foundation and the gameplay are truly great. Of course I complain about the issues and want it to be improved, but I won't be part of the absurd hate wagon. The progression system, I actually enjoy it: replay a career series with a different car gives me the chance to drive multiple cars without being purposeless. They just need to adjust it to not be so grindy. Unfortunately I think we will never get rid of dirty driving and turn 1 chaos. It's a lack of clean-racing culture among Forza players. Either you force your way through at the beginning or be rammed from behind. I just try to drive as clean as the circumstances allow me to.
Yeah I like your attitude, you must always play the thing that brings you enjoyment. I am pretty much the same, I have a lot of fun driving it, it's not as sweaty as iRacing, LFM in ACC etc. In fact, I am mostly disappointed in the general "state" (if that's not too drastic) because the basis of the handling and quick-fire multiplayer really should've set them up for success here.
Well said i play online almost nightly and its fun, i looking at not bothering qualifying at all and just starting in the back, i never get the pole anyways so that should help me avoid the turn 1 chaos hahaha
@@Jimbean672 We had one of our group getting kicked every time, even when they created the lobby. Not really sure what's going on as the other 3 of us were fine. My problem occurred the third time I tried to connect to a featured multiplayer race in a party 🤷
in all honesty, i have pretty much given u on FM. bugs that are in the game since release, no replay option (they actually dont even bother letting you download it) penalties given to you when you got rammed off, some of the cars that have outer space models when you try to make a livery... and my biggest gripe: rammers that just dont get punished. in fact: rammers overall have pretty much make me give up on this game. no way to report them as, lol this is hilarious, you need to provide a replay file... nah, im done, not sure if ill come back, but at this stage, they pretty much burned their own game. i wonder if they even care about it.... built from the ground up... what a joke.
I never actually tried to report anybody but that's crazy. The "fix" for failing multiplayer replays was effectively removing them, which doesn't make any sense as most games just "record" the race you literally just took part in on your own machine. Where does it need to download from?? 😄
@@hotcircuit not only that mate, i created some liveries for cars, and every single time, it seemed like it had to download them from somewhere, as opposed to horizon 5, i had immidiate acces, wich brings me to another gripe with this game: i cant for some reason load any of my "creations" from horizon 5, as they are not found... and the devs claim it has to do with the fact that the way steam files are stored is different? what a load of dogs bollox under a donkey, thats what i say :D
😂Always going to be there for who? The 3 people that'll be playing it? FM has a whopping 600 players in-game currently. That's terrible for a recent major release. For reference, Forza Horizon 5 currently has 15,000. Horizon 4 has 8000. FM2023 is already dying, and rightfully so because it's garbage and you don't need to be a "pony" to see it.
I like the idea that anger motivated this. Not pointing out shortcomings in an expensive game many people are disappointed with would encourage developers to keep short-changing players.
I hope it's clear I've not been huffing vast quantities of copium. I'm realistic that players and creators are walking away and Forza already had a long development cycle pre-release to get things right.
I'm also a balanced and fair person who will cover any progress made after T10's January 9th Community Update, but there's no doubt the clock is now ticking to deliver a complete game. Thanks as always for all your support on the channel 🧡
I'm still waiting for Turn10 to acknowledge the grapichal downgrade, if they can do that, then mayybe they'll release a visual overhaul. Untill then, this game is a scam
The graphics are pretty shitty you are correct, FH5 blows it out of the water and the base xboxone of last gen should have no problem running it, so what gives?
Ground up, 6 years, i know covid hurt alot but i mean cmon microsoft.
My graphics settings reset with the update & started struggling, I pulled it back to a point where they probably look better than what I was running before but it still seems super inconsistent in quality between tracks and weather conditions.
@@hotcircuit yeah don't even try running interior-view without RTAO in a cloudy weather.
Looks worse than NFS Shift 2 or even roblox 💀
This game is incredible inconsistent and unoptimized, it's 50/50 if you're gonna have memory leak and CTD or not. I experience memory leak and crashes everytime I play this game and I'm also on a RTX 3080
Great video, btw 😎
@@elakpucko3 Thank-you. My graphics benchmark struggles to break 64fps, in gameplay itself it does seem to hover around 80-90 at 1440p but the optimisation is definitely not good when you compare it to AMS2 on the Madness engine which looks and runs great, even in VR or a lower spec PC.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who wasn't overly bothered by the progression. In just like normal testing of cars I often have the adjustment parts unlocked and able to equip😅
It's not uncommon for cars in other racing games to go unplayed. Even paid ones in iRacing where you think people would be invested see some series drop off and die. I saw the car levels and rotation of spec series multiplayer as a solid way to encourage rotation. I do see the other side too though 🫤
@@hotcircuit Absolutely agree
As of update 4.0 I can not play the game anymore.
I enjoyed the GT and TCC spec series immensely. But since the update the tracks disappear AGAIN and the "No you can not change fuel and tyres before the race" bug also appeared again. Which makes me start on my Quali fuel and tyres... It completely ruins the fun for me. So I will wait a few days/weeks before going at it again.
They are really really really testing my patience with this game.
Same, spent an hour dialling in my forcefeedback settings, jumped into a race and instantly got murdered during practise and the game crashed. 🤣 Assetto Corsa for me until they fix their broken game.
They're testing a lot of us. I haven't ever seen the track bug myself, but the pre-multiplayer-race loading screen has shown its face for me too, and I'd not seen that since before update 1 😭
After this update i have a lot of problems with instability, no chance to change tires and ⛽ after qualification
Me too as I learned last night trying to do multiplayer in a Party. A problem I hadn't seen myself (but know others did) since Update 1 ☹️
I'm guessing a lot of the live service content, even the new stuff, was already ready to release around launch. So if the devs went on a Christmas break it makes sense they'd still have content ready but not many bug fixes.
Its just the nature of consistent live services. Tracks don't take the exact same amount of time to make, even if they're building off existing foundations, so the only way to assure a monthly schedule is to have a backlog.
Same with the cars, though the backlog there would be cut content from previous games. This is fine if there's actually enough content at launch to start with, but there isn't.
I understand there can be licensing issues but was still surprised to see the relatively small track list at launch but like you say, they're now drip-feeding them in. Again, that's not something I have huge objection to in light of other issues but is still worth a mention 👍
@@hotcircuit I don't think it's got anything to do with licensing. They want to add tracks as the live service goes on, but they know they won't have one ready every single month so if they hold back a few from launch it's a lot simpler.
Theres also the fact that it definitely does take time to overhaul these tracks. The nordschleife is definitely a case where the sheer scale of it means it takes a long time to replace everything with higher quality assets
Good comments with a lovely English accent! (From a Pom in Australia)
Nice to see they have addressed a couple of the many sound issues, I think the Capri and GT3 Bentley may sound better too (but is it wishful just thinking?)
I hated them last time I used it, went back to Seven briefly, ahh, that's better...
But now in Eight, hmmm.
Glad you enjoyed, hope you're doing great over there. I haven't explored all of the changes to be fair but if they keep chipping away at things like that, it's an overall positive as they all add up. As for whether the 3 key areas they've identified for bigger work will come quickly... 😬
No, you're completely wrong it is too late. devs need to stop putting out broken games then saying oops we are sorry when they get their arm twisted about it being a pile. Its going to become the new normal because other devs will see they can do this and get another chance. Id rather wait for another gem on day 1 than see a turd get baked and polshed because at the end of the day that baked and polished turd is just that a turd.
I can't (and don't want to) argue with that POV at all. I don't think any of what's happened is remotely OK, especially from a developer with such a huge company behind it. If nothing else, I hope this stops people preordering games. The industry as a whole is treating players like they don't matter.
I want to see the game pull it back from the brink for the people who've spent money rather than to hail T10s achievements.
Is this Kireth because it sounds exactly like him?
I'm flattered at the thought, but if his upload schedule had any space to run this channel too I'd be amazed 😄
I stopped playing because of the AI.
I've been super critical of the AI. The multiplayer is the main bit for so many players, but you can't give a terrible single-player experience (a) for people who enjoy playing alone and (b) when the Builders Cup is sold before release as a huge part of the experience.
Great video as always!
I think it is an important first step that Turn 10 released the statement acknowledging the feedback about their drivatars. Hopefully they will follow up with good improvements eventually.
We should give them the room to correct the issues, but also not give them enough room to say, "next time we'll pre-order your game again." It needs to be a reality check that players get what they paid for. Thanks so much for your support and comment 👊
You are in for a treat with the Formula Mazda Series (*cough* have a couple of early videos from when they were first in if you want to get and idea *cough*) Great video as always
You KNOW I'm checking those out later to see what I'm in for 👍
Remember me. When your channel is huge I'll have been here since before you had 1K subs. See you there and keep it up 👍🏾
I'll never know what to say to a comment like this. I certainly don't think I rightfully belong at any particular size but you bet I appreciate the support from people like you! 👊
@@hotcircuitI just have a good feeling, you're sharing your passion and humor and that tends to attract viewers. I think you're on to something
@@Kholdstare52 Appreciate it, thanks for your faith 👍
I think my biggest issue is that it is just boring. It's not a terrible game but it isn't great or even good, it's just meh. Most of Microsofts games have been like that. Starfiled, halo, redfall, grounded etc have all been "I'll give this a shot because there is nothing else out" kinna games that I really tried to like but they just fall short compared to ps5 and switch. Microsoft need to do better, the xbox one days are gone, no more excuses, we need game that actually push the hardware and are actually good.
I think that's an interesting point. I turned my attention to the AI as my focal point for why Career isn't fun. Whilst this is true, it'd really benefit from some sort of narrative, cutscenes or reason to care why you're progressing from one series to another.
Any news on potential live streams? anyways a great video once again!
Your voice kind-of remind me of super GT sometimes
I've done 1 a month so far, but it's been a bit of a busy January. I will schedule one in for the coming week so I don't miss my streak 👍
LAST TIME THE GAME LAUNCHED FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS WAS UPDATE 2.0... CANT EVEN GET A REFUND BECAUSE I HAVE 441 HOURS PLAYED 😂
That's total madness, does it drop you an error or just do nothing?
@@hotcircuit nope no error at all, The first tiny splash screen pops up then the game shuts down. took 3 ticket's out on the forza website and all closed due to them havning enough info... i've lost faith in forza t10 now :(
I received a 4.5 second penalty for being taken out from by behind me braking too late a torpedoing me into a wall.
I had the same from being stranded on track and being t-boned at full speed. Avoidable collision of course 🤔
I want to see qualifying in this.
Yeah that's a big one, even if the session where you have to complete 3 laps and beat a certain time WAS qualifying that'd make more sense.
The progression was clearly made to drag out time for Gamepass retention. It’s dumb and not fun.
This game is poor but does get more of a pass because many people are playing it on Gamepass instead of paying $70+.
I quite like some element of car levelling, but I agree they thought about time spent in-game rather than if it was any fun. Game pass players (unless they only have it for FM) probably get the better deal right now overall while we wait for updates.
of course it will be better at a later date, but now I wont play it as it is. Such a mess and unappealing. So Ill look for alternatives. Didnt try iracing, rfactor and ACC yet. Theres not a small chance ill never go back. Shame that they released such an unfinished product, I really anticipated it and btw bought the full package.
And even greater shame the fixes take ages compared to other games or is it that they cant be fixed because its by design?(!)
I'm pretty concerned about the same things. AI will be harder to overhaul than car levelling or penalties. I'll continue to play/cover Forza as I'm invested in the soap opera now but start sprinkling in some other racing games when I have a good reason to.
Hey at least they put a v8 in the #9 dodge challenger😅😅,
If they didnt patch it i was done, they did so im still around
That'd somehow passed me by, phew on it being rectified 🥲
The clock is ticking?? I think the clock has ticked it's last tick.
I respect that considering current player numbers as they are. For me it's still ticking to see how they address the big issues mentioned in the statement, but for how long?
I am one of those people who enjoys Forza Motorsport, and despite the issues and frustrations, I simply can't stop playing! And that's because the core foundation and the gameplay are truly great. Of course I complain about the issues and want it to be improved, but I won't be part of the absurd hate wagon. The progression system, I actually enjoy it: replay a career series with a different car gives me the chance to drive multiple cars without being purposeless. They just need to adjust it to not be so grindy. Unfortunately I think we will never get rid of dirty driving and turn 1 chaos. It's a lack of clean-racing culture among Forza players. Either you force your way through at the beginning or be rammed from behind. I just try to drive as clean as the circumstances allow me to.
Yeah I like your attitude, you must always play the thing that brings you enjoyment. I am pretty much the same, I have a lot of fun driving it, it's not as sweaty as iRacing, LFM in ACC etc. In fact, I am mostly disappointed in the general "state" (if that's not too drastic) because the basis of the handling and quick-fire multiplayer really should've set them up for success here.
Well said i play online almost nightly and its fun, i looking at not bothering qualifying at all and just starting in the back, i never get the pole anyways so that should help me avoid the turn 1 chaos hahaha
@@JLswatchthisThat's exactly what I do. 😃 👍
LETS GO NERLANT!!!!!
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Don't suppose you've had any problems getting into events while in a party to race together
I'm having that issue right now, how did you know?! "Loading Tune" with the practice timer in the top-right 😂
I get my friends into my lobby to race on the online events and we keep getting disconnected from each other
@@Jimbean672 We had one of our group getting kicked every time, even when they created the lobby. Not really sure what's going on as the other 3 of us were fine. My problem occurred the third time I tried to connect to a featured multiplayer race in a party 🤷
in all honesty, i have pretty much given u on FM. bugs that are in the game since release, no replay option (they actually dont even bother letting you download it)
penalties given to you when you got rammed off, some of the cars that have outer space models when you try to make a livery...
and my biggest gripe: rammers that just dont get punished. in fact: rammers overall have pretty much make me give up on this game. no way to report them as, lol this is hilarious, you need to provide a replay file...
nah, im done, not sure if ill come back, but at this stage, they pretty much burned their own game.
i wonder if they even care about it....
built from the ground up... what a joke.
I never actually tried to report anybody but that's crazy. The "fix" for failing multiplayer replays was effectively removing them, which doesn't make any sense as most games just "record" the race you literally just took part in on your own machine. Where does it need to download from?? 😄
@@hotcircuit not only that mate, i created some liveries for cars, and every single time, it seemed like it had to download them from somewhere, as opposed to horizon 5, i had immidiate acces, wich brings me to another gripe with this game: i cant for some reason load any of my "creations" from horizon 5, as they are not found... and the devs claim it has to do with the fact that the way steam files are stored is different? what a load of dogs bollox under a donkey, thats what i say
:D
@@fartex1 😄
Should be called Forza Motorsport (we were to cheap to pay for a proper naming of our game.)
The game was so bad I uninstalled... ive never done that
Given player figures you're not alone, I just hope they give you a reason to reinstall it in the coming month or two 🤞😬
what clock..... games always going to be there.. and is fun. just stay mad pony
😂Always going to be there for who? The 3 people that'll be playing it? FM has a whopping 600 players in-game currently. That's terrible for a recent major release. For reference, Forza Horizon 5 currently has 15,000. Horizon 4 has 8000. FM2023 is already dying, and rightfully so because it's garbage and you don't need to be a "pony" to see it.
I like the idea that anger motivated this. Not pointing out shortcomings in an expensive game many people are disappointed with would encourage developers to keep short-changing players.