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You heard it here first, I'm going to release a community post in the next half hour to explain. I'm almost back, I appreciate you checking in 😊

I must say, I wasn't sim racing when AC took the scene by storm so I've never felt as connected to it as many do. I agree with you that something isn't quite there in terms of handling but there are many hundreds if not thousands who'd disagree with us even today.

It's concerning as time goes on they've made improvements but they're things that the game should've launched with. The more pressing issues like you say seem to be too hard to get right. Thanks for commenting!

I think you missed the point of this video as I prove here Forza isn't misrepresenting GT3 pace. I'm from simulators like ACC, AC, iRacing etc. where people frequently refer to Forza as a "simcade" and take things very seriously. Yet I've proven on multiple occasions across these sims that Forza laps extremely closely and makes you question the biased outlook many have. I've made a series of these where I compare each "sim" to Forza using different cars/tracks and almost every case shows Forza doesn't deserve to be overlooked.

@@hotcircuit 'where people frequently refer to Forza as a "simcade"' AKA cringe teenagers, why do I care about their opinion? There is nothing that makes these other games more of a 'sim' vs forza 8, other than these games are lower quality and lower budget than forza (great?) Forza is even marketed as a sim racer en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_(2023_video_game) "A sim racing video game" You won't convince cringe teenagers with facts on youtube when they all watch chinese tiktok anyway I have watched some of your new videos and enjoy it - however I think a more accurate premise is sim racer vs sim racer (Similar to something like digital foundry but more driving focused) rather than sim racer vs childs game (Which seems to be your approach) I own a pc with a 4090 so I can take full advantage of forza ray tracing - I can't play ACC anymore because it feels so cartoony. Forza graphics will be even farther ahead once they release RTGI

Yeah I mean not every driver should jump out of the way like F1's blue flag rule but likewise they shouldn't race the leader when they're beaten either. That behaviour is what's causing the indecisive driving by the front runners causing them to get held up. I won't yield if they're being awkward but the AI will try anything (including lose 10s per lap) to avoid collisions with each other.

Yeah it generally seems to be better than it was, but they've not fixed everything yet.

I agree. It's easy I suppose to say BeamNG is quite generalised but a dedicated team concentrating on one type of series or set of vehicles on top of it would surely make one hell of a game.

Main issue is manufacturer’s don’t want their cars to appear “destructible” in the media, its the whole reason Forza and GT damage models don’t show things like panels missing and broken bumpers and why Beam has no actual cars just homages to them, its all in the license agreement annoyingly

@@Blownpistonmotorsport I'd say Palworld the crap out of the manufacturers anyway if they don't want a set of pixels representing their car to be deformed. It's obviously tough to enjoy anything without a marketing department involved but we'll try 😉

@@hotcircuit oh 100% they are dumb and worried too much about “brand image” and tbh if i have to drive around and a “Board Stallion” that will damage properly rather than a “Ford Mustang” that only scratches, ill take the Stallion that will disintegrate if i shag it into the armco at 120mph

Yeah, haha. Ermz drove it in a video a long while back but I haven't started modding anything yet myself. If I can finish a string of laps without becoming a smoking ball of metal I might consider going around for real 😄

I think there's a decent chance those things will come along natively anyway but having a team concentrate the game engine in one area might still produce something great imo. Unless it's snapped up by a triple A 😬😆

Yeah it's not perfect by any means, well what is, but it's one of those situations where I think this as a base engine with a specific game on top of it rather than a sandbox/all-in-one could really work. It could be wishful thinking as I wouldn't be doing the hard work 🤷😄

@@hotcircuit doesn't need to be perfect, its super enjoyable in itself. If you want a specific game rather than a sandbox, that's what the career mode is working towards I think. I'm just saying it's not a great foundation for a traditional sim.

I started back in racing games with the PS4 release of ACC, it was good for sure. AC wasn't "bad", but just a bit unpolished and lacking the mods that keep the PC version interesting & fresh after all this time.

I've watched loads of no hesi videos but never gone there. It looks great fun, probably should get on it.

Nobody in iRacing voice chat has ever been that complimentary to me y'know ☺️😄

Snap! I'm using the Simagic Alpha Mini & P2000 pedals since Feb '22. Such a great setup, no regrets at all. I know what you mean about FM, I find I have very good and accurate idea what's going on... Until I don't 😆 It's possible to save slides but when the drop off happens that you describe, it still wants to spin even if you react quick. AC2 anticipation is building tentatively at this end, hope it's good 🤞

@@hotcircuit I'm on the P1000 pedals, got them bundled. The base pedals and GT pro wheel were like 900 USD. I think I have had the same thing happen when turning in too. But it's no grip. Same corner, approximately the same speed, tires with the same laps, and just understeers into a tree. Feedback happens late enough to not be able to correct it either. Then in AC, RF2, iRacing, it's like the moment I turn in I know something is wrong and it needs to be corrected. Spent to much time fiddling with the FM settings and it still just feels weird. And that's before the stupid clutch shifting delay

I love things like RSS Formula Hybrid & Formula Americas that are lovingly crafted to name two of many. The work that's been done on CM & Pure just makes it look astonishing for replays and cinematics. BUUUUUT I do find it a pain to keep up with updates, or when I find a lousy track conversion.

@@hotcircuit same here, sometimes it felt like torture lol. Took me an hour to get it to work again after a month of not playing. After getting the races to work, I couldn't get AC Evoluzione to work so I gave up. At this point I'm just waiting for AC 2 in hopes they include the most important features like a mods hub and to generally accomodate to people who have spent so much time modding the game to perfection.

@@emptyfueltank Yeah I think games that embrace the mods (I guess like Roblox) so you can just grab free and paid, then install it all within the game itself would be something I could support.

CM/CSP/Pure for cinematics and immersion makes AC more 2024 than most other driving games out there right now. I wish I loved it more, I really do. I'll spend hours driving and watching the gorgeous replays, then leave it for 3 months again for no reason.

I had Assetto Corsa on PS4 before I got a PC and couldn't see what the fuss was about. The default game is painfully no-frills in the menus. I remember the first time I played, I didn't have cool down laps on so it just ended when you cross the finish line with no fanfare or clear indication 😆

i hope Assetto2 becomes more😅🖖

@@jensleck547 I'm sure they've learned a lot from AC, the modding community, ACC and LFM to what people want to see in a sim.

Yeah I forgot the memo that not all FM tracks are based on laser-scans, a bit like F1 23. Some are, but there's a good chance Barcelona isn't here. Good spot 👍

Yeah, when hunting down a good PC alternative to the likes of Forza and GT, regular road cars aren't so well represented. AC probably has more than most, especially if you're OK with hunting down decent mods but I totally see your point 😓

Forza has a good chunk but it gets old when the stock cars are 80% of them, and the actual race cars don’t get used enough

Right on 👍

Yeah I don't take this too seriously. It seems serious I guess on the surface but I'm strict to only run my best-of-10 laps rather than get too sweaty as it's just a fun comparison. This has been the biggest difference in terms of car/track relative times of all the ones I've done but you're 100% right that Forza is a more friendly and more of a jump in and play title. I enjoy both on different levels, although AC came out at a time I wasn't gaming much so I don't have the same attachment level that many do. For me that's ACC as seeing streamers play it in late 2019, early 2020 tempted me to buy a PC & rig.

Yeah, I think that's how people are able to get quick times, its down to the engine a physics, more a jump on game defos, I got AC back in 2015 with my first wheel and being playing for now almost...Jesus 9 years haha. But I was an avid Forza player before I got my PC. AC feels more grounded with the physics cars have weight, better tyre models. Forza even though it has strengths, and since its primarily going to be played on Xbox has softened physics, cars feel faster, its easier to string turns since its geared towards controller usage with limited precision, whilst a wheel can be more precise. That's especially evident when you compare track times since AC doesn't really assist you with steering whilst Forza does just a tiny amount though. @@hotcircuit

I've played the likes of RFactor2, iRacing and ACC and I can confidently say Assetto Corsa is the arcade racer of PC sim racing. All the feedback you get on a wheel is too exaggerated and gamey to what a real car should do, it's laughable. The other games don't go overboard but AC is just FFB effects simulator for drift enthusiasts.

@@kak8895 That's an interesting perspective. As I wasn't racing in 2014 to pick this up and fall in love with it, playing it now does feel more like a novelty than something I want to devote my time to competitively online. For me it doesn't feel as good as so many people say, but that's just one opinion 🤷

Well said! I think you hit the nail on the head.

AGREED with @j.o.t.b3017. You've NAILED EXACTLY what Forza truly is! As MUCH as many of us WANT it to be a "simulator", IT JUST ISN'T! It's sits VERY WELL in the console controller space, among the best, and it does what it's supposed to do in THAT space.

I do agree with you, really the purpose of this series was to see how well the car performance was modelled in relation to what people would consider a proper sim. The results generally have been surprisingly close in laptime, so like you say it comes down to other factors like Forza is better for folks without a wheel, AC is better for modding, ACC/iRacing are better for multiplayer competition etc. etc. I appreciate your feedback and time watching the vids 👍

If Turn10 or PD decide to go the full simulator route, none of the aforementioned PC games would be relevant 😅. They can't compete with AAA in content, graphics, UI, career mode and overall presentation. The smaller studios should be thankful.

@@kak8895 Because AAA gaming is catching a lot of heat right now, I'm not 100% on how serious you are so I'll come at it from both angles. An AAA studio that went full-in on making the best thing out there would easily have the resources to acquire the best talent and pick up costly car/track licenses for sure. However, at this point in time I get the feeling we'd be more likely to get a heavily micro-transaction filled mess that took over a year to fix.

I still hear of crashes from some players so this is great news. At last eh? 👍

Yeah you feel very connected in AC, it's definitely one of its best features. I've got some good feeling Forza settings I will drop into a video soon, but it's just for better detail and control (imo), it doesn't suddenly become AC or rFactor 2. Funnily enough, an ACC comparison to Forza was the second video I posted on this channel 😉

Totally forgot about your ACC comparison :D Interesting that the ACC results were much closer to Forza. Im definitely looking forward to your Forza settings video. Even though I have a different wheel (TM T300rs) I might be able to copy some of your settings.

@@Nerlant I think they might translate well, I had a T150 and Fanatec CSL Elite belt drives before going DD in 2022, but don't have them to check any more myself.

I like to think if I survived comparing iRacing to Forza I can hopefully see this one out. Or maybe it's one comparison too far 💀 Thanks as always, I think you're right and perhaps the default setup just isn't it 🤷

@@hotcircuit you might have gamermuscle come after you if you’re not careful, i think AC fans are the most vocal about it being the best sim, well maybe not as much as ACC but pretty loud

@@Blownpistonmotorsport It's good, and a slower time doesn't necessarily mean a less accurate representation of the real car 😇 The attachment to your car is excellent but it does legitimately share 2 things with Forza. Inconsistent kerbs, "not great" AI.

Thanks man, hope you enjoyed the series. Nearly had a clean sweep of close calls until this one 😆

PC with Content Manager/Shaders Patch/Sol. To be fair I'm not sure if among all the improvements those bring anything gets changed with car audio 🤔

what do you mean "makes ac looks and sound terrible"? in reality maybe its not the worst out there,but its definetly dated af,thats the semi main reason ac is not atracting me at all,i would rather take any other AAA racing game ,at the end of the day for me cars is all about looks,sounds,and since im not a real racing driver i dont really know how cars handles on a track so physics doesnt need to be 1/1 compared to irl

Most cars in Assetto Corsa sound like UFOs. The reverb is laughable in many instances. They don't sound natural at all to actual engine rumble. That's not to say Forzas is better because it certainly isn't.

@@kak8895 To be fair this car does sound good in Forza imo, which might be amplified by hearing these side by side. Of course, not all 500+ cars are going to sound great or accurate, but that'd be a tough ask. Reverb off the pitwall etc. features in ACC too, which doesn't feel quite right in the cockpit. Generally, the sound in ACC is excellent though but that's because they have a specific pool of cars to work on.

u can make it look and sound really good. but of course. u have many track skin mods, tree mods or even 2k and 4k versions of tracks and thousands of sound mods. but its still from 2014. But with custom shaders patch, physics are close to unbeatable. and AC2 this year will show every company how a real racing simulator is done

To help towards your claim. I was racing in Forza with a steering wheel. Doing the touring car class at the nurburgring GP my fastest time in the Audi lms was 1:09:9 and the guy Infront of me was 1:08:4. I'm a pretty fast driver so I thought that was not bad considering the real life fastest lap time set in a Porsche GT3 car is 1:08:32. That has over a hundred more horsepower than a Touring car. Now I don't know think the people who followed were using a steering but was placed 8th and all the other people above 7th were getting 1:02-05s. A full 3 seconds faster that the actual real world record. So that being said AC is more realistic with a steering wheel and Forza is more geared towards controller that being able to get ridiculous times.

I can't remember if I had mentioned it on your other "comparison video" or not, but I've mentioned, in the past, that Forza has certain areas that are NOT exact to certain sections of an original track layout, EVEN THOUGH, they laser scan many of the modern tracks. Certain tracks have a replicated zone, which cause a time discrepancy, to give those tracks a deliberate feel, or look, to coincide with it's overall theme.

@@DoomsentGaming Oh yes, that's a very good point. I forgot that Forza (like F1 23) isn't a full list of laser-scanned tracks 💡

@@750li_Behemoth In ACC I was generally 1.5-2s off alien/esports at my best. For example I could do mid-2.17s at Spa which would smash most people in a public lobby, meanwhile the pros were getting high 2.15s. Those top times were faster than real life pole at the time (2.16 in 2022) and Forza performed very closely to ACC at Suzuka when I tested it so they seem close to each other but not necessarily real life in all scenarios. What I'm really saying I guess is that Forza isn't necessarily producing realistic laptimes but neither are the sims at all circuits. Some are very close though. I'm not being disagreeable, it's just an interesting talking point for me so you got me started 😂

I'd say it was unplayable before, but now it's of a better standard in close-quarters. You can still force it to overdrive off the track and I'm not certain if it's better over longer race distances yet but it's a good start.

I can get behind AC2, even though we know next to nothing about it. I am realistic that Content Manager has given us so much in AC beyond what Kunos did, but hopefully they've learned great things from ACC/LFM/CM and will bring some of it by default.

@hotcircuit that would be awesome! I just started with LFM and doing the mx5 cup races so far its been pretty fun

I'm also amazed a Series X is crashing with a game that is probably console first 🤦🏼

@hotcircuit yeah that's what has me so tilted with it, first party game can't even run right

Weird because I've had a handful of crashes since launch, series X too

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I think you're right. Hopefully I can do a re-run of my longer distance race in the next few updates that prove they can lap traffic without getting stuck too.

There's a few people I've heard from like you where the game is hopelessly always broken, or crashes all the time. As somebody who's only had a handful of crashes - so the bugs or shortcomings of the game itself are a bigger deal - it never seems to be on the same hardware combination 🤷🏼

@@hotcircuit very true