that first line by Picard. I learned that lesson a long time ago in the business world. If someone above you tells you to do some dumb shit, you do it but DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT. Who told you to do it, for what purpose and when it was done. When shit comes back to bite you, now you have something to fall back on. I'm in IT and I've learned that as far as acronyms go, there is one that is most important. Not BIOS or DNS or DIMM, not DHCP or RAID. no, CYA is the most important acronym in IT. Cover your ass
Of it is a crime and not just a dumb decision or violation of company policy the following orders defense won't work. But yes, document everything, even emails detailing conversations can be great for documenting things that were only said verbally.
@@mygaffer Having documentation for it can help you in a criminal case by turning it all over for a cushy plea deal while they go after the bigger fish.
Imagine being cast as one of the dead bodies. "Well, I finally got a part on Star Trek! What do you want me to do?" "Sit in that chair and don't move."
Imagine being cast as someone who's bluff just got called in a poker game. "Well, it's finally my turn! What do you want me to do?" "Show us your hand." Chair's empty, btw.
I think he overacted. He doesn’t have his emotion chip yet and if this is “effing stupid”, think how he would act when Star Fleet is requesting his daughter.
@@Peizxcv it's not the literal but an android equivalent of "this is effing stupid." Just like when a Vulcan give that you that raised one eyebrow "this is effing stupid" look.
Yeah must say the body language and tone did seem like a subtle "its noted that that bloke is a wa##er sir" bit like when you say thank you to someone who has annoyed the hell out of you but your tone implys F you lol
@Rex makepeace thats why we do it, cause this life dont make much sense, always searching for answers in reality which we are either to blind to see or dont they exist
I cannot imagine the emotions Riker is going through. Seeing friends and comrades from 12 years prior, neither aged nor decomposed. Just… there. Dead but exactly as they looked all that time ago. It’s a good thing he already knows the counsellor.
Tbh, a human body, exposed to the vacuum for 12 years would not look very good and there would be an interest array of what started as body fluids floating around. There are some interesting articles floating around the internet explaining exactly what to expect if you were sucked in space... It's isn't pretty....
@@bernardcalloway2205 up until Voyager a lot of Starfleet female officers were call sir just like in Battlestar Galactica even in the the original series I personally hate as I'm ex millatry I'm have no problem with women out ranking me it just I dony think they deserve to be called by a male title
Bernard Calloway it because traditionally in the military you call your superior sir regardless, I personally wouldn’t mind it as I feel it more authoritative than mam but idk both feel awkward to me because I’m young 😂
0:22 Ensign Gates is taking a starship the size of a major metropolitan city into a previously uncharted chasm. Gates shows absolutely no trepidation, and must have quite a reputation for the captain to not just take the helm for this. He once relieved Acting Ensign Crusher of the proverbial wheel for far less. Over nine hundred lives hang in the balance. Ain't nuthin' but a thang for Ensign Gates. Just another day's work.
"Until this point, I had the luxury of time... even though I spend that time playing a holodeck game about the NX-01... which, in retrospect, was not a good use of that time."
This was one of the most chilling and disturbing ST episodes. I can just imagine what Riker was going through, seeing all his old shipmates, dead yet still completely preserved just as they were 12 years before. All the memories of that horrible time flooding back to him.
Wow, I never thought about the math before, but given that this episode takes place roughly 6 years after Encounter at Farpoint, and 12 years after the events that left the Pegasus partially buried in an Asteroid, at which point Riker was only 7 months out of the academy. He went from brand new Ensign, to Commander of the Federation flag ship in only about six and a half years. That's some ladder climbing right there!
Probably the reason why he was chosen to be Commander on the Enterprise. If you manage to rank that fast, you probably are very very good, and worthy of a position on the Enterprise.
Starfleet has a tradition of randomly promoting people super fast and others not at all. Harry Kim remained an ensign for at least seven years while Tom Paris was busted from Lt. to ensign and then promoted back up in spite of the fact that Harry Kim is clearly a vital member of the crew and definitely deserved promotion. Then again, Kirk was given command right out of the academy, basically. I've long wondered if promotion is mostly about randomly finding some Easter Egg on the ship and not about an actual process. "Whoa, you found the power-up that was hidden in Jefferies Tube 392-C! Congratulations... Admiral!" "But sir, I'm just the custodian. I was cleaning up from Riker's last orgy. I don't know how to..." "I said: ADMIRAL."
3:21 "Admiral, I appear to be stuck to this rock face!" "Commander, the temperature of that asteroid would be near absolute zero. What on earth would possess you to touch it!"
@@yaldabaoth2 They'd kind of have to, otherwise they'd be useless life support. And there'd be no point in beaming over if they couldn't heat things up, the ship that they're salvaging is also crazy cold from being there.
@@ananousous Assuming the casing surrounding the device is also metal, it would also be too cold to touch. We don't know exactly how long they let the life support systems run, but it's reasonable to believe that if the room has breathable atmosphere, neither Riker nor the admiral have frosted breath and nothing is frosted over, long enough for the ambient temperature to stabilize itself.
@@friendlyneighbourhoodplatypus I believe it happens in the first season. The Enterprise entered into a scenario with it's usually life threatening chaos and they had used an onboard transporter specifically made for non-organic cargo to beam out Archer from his own impending doom.
It's like any tech, once you get used to it, you don't see the danger of it or to put it another way, people that went flying in a tin can in the early days, many would have thought you were crazy to do it and yet we all do it today without seeing the risk because the risk is minimal and that is the same for beaming to that other ship with just a force field protecting you.
Star Wars Universe too, the openings to fighter launch bays had force fields holding the atmosphere in, same with the pilot survival system in case of ejection.
It's actually a wide-band electromagnetic 3D lidar emitter grid, used for mapping and analysing geographic stability of terrain and structures at short ranges. It just incidentally happens to also emit EM radiation in the visible frequencies, as well as infrared and microwave ranges.
65% of this large vessel is contained within the rock yet somehow the device managed to escape the clutches of the rockface by 10 feet. That's quite the stroke of luck.
Starfleet builds small test systems with plot armor. Lots of ships don't have it. Enterprise has plot armor. They don't have enough for every ship, though.
Well considering how utterly Pacifist to a Fault the Federation was at this stage and it'd take the DOMINION to kick Federation over.. But otherwise no. It's called the progress of time for better or worse.
And the Pegasus might have been better named Eldridge. It was buried in the rock, just like the men and officers of the USS Eldridge, we're buried in the steel of the Eldridge's Hull and bulkheads.
This shows the character of both men, Pickard cares about his crew but the admiral only cares about the device and isn't at all bothered about his former dead crewmates.
@ericlogos Well, he could have retrieved the machine and look much less like a comic book villain if he had taken 3 seconds to express some kind of grief over what happened.
@guyverjay Since it is the primary security force for the Federation it IS the military in all things but name. Just because they're ill equipped or ill prepared does not change that fact. After the Borg and definitely after the Dominion they finally came to terms with that and started to build warships...I mean escort ships. The Enterprise-E and other Sovereign class Federation ships were every bit a combat cruiser as a Klingon Negh'Var class. Lets not even mention the Defiant class.
Admiral ... if this passage narrows to less than 500 meters, I will abort the mission. You can charge me with insubordination if you wish ... but I will not risk the safety of the Enterprise over a salvage operation. I'm stunned Picard gave him 500 meters. LOL
@@josephlatourette8329 the Enterprise got tossed a bit upon entry with stabilizers on. a shuttle likely would have been tossed into a wall and obliterated.
@@dhinton1 yeah that makes sense now that I think about it because of the magnetic fields would have affected the shuttle more than it did the Enterprise
Admiral: **throws shade on the dead crew of the Pegasus.** Will: "That's not cool dude! That guy had a mom, a family, friends, oh and a name! It's not Skeletor, it's Roger Workman!"
Family Guy did it best. Kirk: "This away mission is very dangerous and one of us will almost certainly not survive. The team will be myself, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Ensign Wilson." Wilson: "Aw, crap."
I was a little kid when this show ran and I really loved it. It got me interested in science. To see Patrick Steward in his new show about 30 years later is quite eery though. It reminds me just how quickly time passes by. I'm 39 years old myself now so it definitely hits home
can we just appreciate Ensign Yeats? You've got possibly the most famous Starfleet Captain and an Admiral having an ego contest.... and you make it so.
"Look around. This room is filled with dead bodies. These people died because of this thing!" "Nyeeheheheh. And more people will continue to die, commander. That was what I wanted all along!"
Sounds like the American leftist party. Disappointed that we're getting C-19 under control, and that their precious "SCIENCE" is betraying them. Yea, I politicized it...if you're triggered, STFU. Progtrash will never let a crisis go to waste.
@@robbritt2069 Agreed. COVID was a scam to lead us into a New World Order dictatorship led by unelected Bill Gates' friends, so they can inject us with cancer-viruses.
@@ZuluRomeo So is Picard really. The Chain of Command exists. He doesn't care about it unless a subordinate disobeys him. You know why? Because he thinks that because he can read literature from bygone centuries he's smarter and better than everyone.
@@skipper4126 The chain of command exists, yes, but admirals always end up being bureaucrats and politicians having forgotten what life is like on the frontier and how you often have to make snap judgements based on rapidly changing circumstances.
I was kinda hoping the “wrong” would be how Star Trek: Enterprise inserted a whole bunch of clumsy scenes of Riker soul-searching during his downtime on this mission.
Says a lot about Riker's "command abilities", "initiative", and overall character that he cowered inside a holodeck fantasy and postponed decisive action for as long as possible.
@@pwnmeisteragethat was Berman and Braga's f.u. to the fans for liking season 3 and most of 4 of Enterprise more than the sh!t show that was season 1 and 2. Destroy a fan favourite by destroying his character, though I'm sure Frakes was completely on board with it, he's so desperate for work he'll accept directing and acting jobs on crap like disgracery and lower drecks.
@@ValiantWrestling Frakes has been an uninvited, unwanted guest on every Trek series they made after TNG. Because screen work pays better than convention appearances. It's all he has left.
How this ever became intertwined with the conclusion of Star Trek Enterprise and the pointless death of Trip Tucker is one of the great head scratchers of all time.
Quentin Sciascia - The Enterprise series finale ties the TNG Pegasus episode in with a lot of rushed plot mechanics that ended up having no continuity whatsoever
They could have just made up a couple of dummies, probably would have been easier and cheaper than several hours in makeup, plus they could be used in the background in other episodes haha.
Data recommended AGAINST sending a shuttle in because the giant asteroid's gravitational and magnetic fluctuations would overpower its engines and send it crashing against the sides of the tunnel. Even the Enterprise was shaking quite a bit as it traveled through the asteroid.
I dont think Riker could touch that rock with out freeze burning his hand instantly .... I don't think environment in that amount of mass was up to a tempt that he could just touch it so quickly
Why do they keep sending the Enterprise on these kinda missions? You'd think they'd have a list of morally loose captains or use Section 31 (if they're not too busy acting shifty in public). Also I'm certain a Galaxy class is a poor choice for this kinda mission and a much smaller Miranda class would fit the mission profile better that an giant armored space yacht.
Knowing what sort of tech was on that thing, I bet the admiral was hoping the Enterprise could fight off any challengers to what they found. More importantly, Will Riker was on the ship and you kinda needed only people in the know about it trying to retrieve it. I mean you could start a war if knowledge of the experiments ever got out, not to mention the chance of a court-martial.
Seen the enterprise episode where this tng episode ties in, riker goes to the holodeck and starts a enterprise program, and then pretends to be nx-01's chef talking to the crew while he deliberates weither he should and how he will stand up to his former commander as seen above
(3:53) Dude in ship perfectly preserved in the moment she and everybody onboard died: What's the matter? This scene gave me the creeps as a kid and still does today. It's just a Federation Starship, but that knowing it's just been chilling exposed to space, phased into an asteroid. This normal routine setting makes my skin crawl.
From Lost Season 1 Boone: Red shirt. You ever watch Star Trek? Locke(Terry O'Quinn): No, not really. Boone: The crew guys that would go down to the planet with the main guys, the captain and the guy with the pointy ears, they always wore red shirts and they always got killed. Locke: Yeah? Boone: Yeah. Locke: Sounds like a piss poor Captain
C'mon, a century of advancement in technology and engineering! A 24th century Oberth is better than a Kirk-era Oberth. You can turn the lights on safely. It only explodes when you turn them off.
Hmmm. If only there was a way to reduce the form factor of the Enterprise so it could fit into the crevice better...Also, it would be nice if there was a way to remove the civilians onboard from such a dangerous situation...Hmmmmmm...
It's probably against regulations to decouple for some reason? I mean they've taken the civilian compartments into other more dangerous situations when they had the opportunity to decouple beforehand...
Ask yourself what would happen today if the government allowed family members on a naval vessel and then that ship had an accident or was sunk in combat and hundreds of kids died. Those government officials would be fired, resign in disgrace, or (hopefully) be put in jail for being so stupid.
@@bardleyb7218 it was an exploring ship in space. It wasn't a war ship. But it did have defenses because that just makes sense. Now, because space is VAST...far more so than a planet that we have already populated, it makes sense to have back up generations to populate other areas..as that's REALLY the main thing to do anyhow. find areas we can live, then try out living there. and there are a few good episodes where exactly that happens. The ship picks up passengeers and a few characters decide to stay, or at least thinks about doing so. Meaning that it's an option. them all blowing up and dying is just part o fthe KNOWN risks from all. Each person is on the ship knowing that is a possibility. Kids get counscled when it happens. There's a whole episode about Lt. Yar's child. And Wesley Crusher is one of the main characters for a while. The Enterprise is basically just Oregon Trail, in space, with military ties.
gotta remember that they were in neutral territory and the romulans were there scoping as well. AND they didn't want the romulans to know they found the thing that they were both searching for. It's kinda like you didn't watch the episode. You just watched this youtube video and made comments based off this
Weren't the Romulans *also* working on a phasecloak? There was that episode where Geordi and Ensign Ro were affected by it during transport and thought they had died and become ghosts.
Yes but they were allowed to whereas it's in violation of intergalactic treaty for the Federation. The issue in this episode as I remember it is two fold. Firstly the reason the Federation doesn't have ships equipped with cloaking technology isn't because they don't understand the technology and can't figure it out. It's because it was a stipulation in the treaty of algeron signed with the Romulans which formed the Romulan neutral zone. So the Federation testing cloaking of any kind including phase cloaking is against interstellar law the violation of which could mean war with the Romulan Star Empire if it wishes to use it as an excuse. Secondly it's implied that the phase cloak was too dangerous and was pursued regardless of the danger it posed to the people testing it. This is something unrepresentative of the ideals of the Federation but the Romulan Star Empire isn't the United Federation Of Planets.
@Darth Revan Right but the treaty of algeron largely replaced it. But yes the neutral zone treaty was the original treaty to establish the neutral zone I misspoke.
Im glad to see people in the future have stopped using acronyms and started using descriptive names for things "begin power transfer". Is that so much to ask??
The thing is, if you remove the illegal cloaking aspect of it and just focus on the matter phasing aspect, you'll still have an unbelievable new tactical advantage.
The metaphasic cloak. Total game-changer, but goodie-goodie Starfleet has to be the galactic doormat. Why would you allow yourself to be hobbled like how the Treaty of Algeron did? 🙄
@@kerosoldier Who knows but I was expecting a lot worse with the Picard series going on what we've had the last 10 years but it was actually pretty good, not as good as old trek but a breath of fresh air compared to the trek we've had the last 10 years and with any luck they can improve on that for the second series. Yeah it's acting, you only have to see him out of Star Trek to see what he's like, yes he's older but you can tell his trying to come across as older in the Picard series then his real life self.
Starfleet Intelligence should have planned this experiment properly from the very beginning. They could have handpicked crew members who could be trusted with classified information and those who are comfortable with bending the rules.
@@jordancobb509 That's the problem for prequels of anything, you have story elements added later, well now you have to explain wtf they were doing before then when they hadn't been conceived of yet.
Somewhere, the engineer who added copious external spotlights to a starship intended to treat "kilometers away" as "close" is screaming about vindication.
This episode shares many similarities with the conspiracy theory surrounding what happened to the USS Eldridge in 1943 and Images of that ship were used in promotional material for the TV show LOST. Guess who also featured in that show...
@@Rory_Humphries I was thinking they could have used a scanner/sonar effect on the interior shots. I get it was a secret search and rescue mission for the phased cloaking device. adding a couple of flashlights into the scene was cheaper than some glowing grid overlay that could be translated into an image on the viewscreen though.
I am a fan of the "Oberth class" Federation starship like the Pegasus or the Grissom. The Grissom finish tragically like the Pegasus and the Astronaut Gus Grissom (Apollo 1 tragical accident).
that first line by Picard. I learned that lesson a long time ago in the business world.
If someone above you tells you to do some dumb shit, you do it but DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT. Who told you to do it, for what purpose and when it was done.
When shit comes back to bite you, now you have something to fall back on.
I'm in IT and I've learned that as far as acronyms go, there is one that is most important.
Not BIOS or DNS or DIMM, not DHCP or RAID.
no, CYA is the most important acronym in IT. Cover your ass
Of it is a crime and not just a dumb decision or violation of company policy the following orders defense won't work.
But yes, document everything, even emails detailing conversations can be great for documenting things that were only said verbally.
That is why I save every e-mail I send out and file away other things. Believe me, it's been an ass saver many, many times for me.
same goes in health care too
@@mygaffer Having documentation for it can help you in a criminal case by turning it all over for a cushy plea deal while they go after the bigger fish.
Ah yes, the cutthroat world of lT! 😳
I love how Data all but glared at the admiral when he said “It is so noted, sir.”
NIGGA IT IS NOTED
Imagine being cast as one of the dead bodies.
"Well, I finally got a part on Star Trek! What do you want me to do?"
"Sit in that chair and don't move."
Easy money.
In The Naked Time they could at least make it look like I took a shower with my clothes on?
Good one
Imagine being cast as someone who's bluff just got called in a poker game.
"Well, it's finally my turn! What do you want me to do?"
"Show us your hand."
Chair's empty, btw.
It could easily just be other crew working on the show. Also, if you look at them closely, i'm sure they've wandered the Enterprise a bunch of times.
I love Data in this scene. Even the emotionless Android is like “this is effing stupid”
I think he overacted. He doesn’t have his emotion chip yet and if this is “effing stupid”, think how he would act when Star Fleet is requesting his daughter.
@@Peizxcv it's not the literal but an android equivalent of "this is effing stupid." Just like when a Vulcan give that you that raised one eyebrow "this is effing stupid" look.
Yeah must say the body language and tone did seem like a subtle "its noted that that bloke is a wa##er sir" bit like when you say thank you to someone who has annoyed the hell out of you but your tone implys F you lol
@Rex makepeace thats why we do it, cause this life dont make much sense, always searching for answers in reality which we are either to blind to see or dont they exist
Despite all of Data's other qualities, I'm sure Picard uses him as a mobile dictaphone to make notes into more than any other.
Here I think he was using Data to add an extra "fuck you" to the Admiral :)
I think it is because Data is the Operations Officer on the ship.
I dont know why he couldnt just use his finger like anyone else.
He could literally just tell the ship's computer the same thing
It’s because Data will hold a “dispassionate” view of history, according to the episode “The Enemy”.
I cannot imagine the emotions Riker is going through. Seeing friends and comrades from 12 years prior, neither aged nor decomposed. Just… there. Dead but exactly as they looked all that time ago. It’s a good thing he already knows the counsellor.
He was probably busy filling Troi in for weeks afterwards.
@@nagualdesign heh
@@nagualdesign Giggidy
Tbh, a human body, exposed to the vacuum for 12 years would not look very good and there would be an interest array of what started as body fluids floating around. There are some interesting articles floating around the internet explaining exactly what to expect if you were sucked in space... It's isn't pretty....
I would have problems taking the advice of a counselor that tells people to exercise there will to kill.
The effects here really hold up after all this time. The shot of the Enterprise searching the cavern looks amazing.
Nothing like a good model.
@keith cunningham they sealed the breach with shield extension and restored life support. It was in the dialogue on the Enterprise bridge.
@keith cunningham the fact that you couldn't pay attention to a 4 minute video speaks volumes.
Hearing Picard say the words, "Yes sir" is just a flat-out bizarre experience.
@ sounded sarcastic to me
But Picard needed to be humbled... Lol
Well he did call a female Admiral , ... Sir " 🤔.
@@bernardcalloway2205 up until Voyager a lot of Starfleet female officers were call sir just like in Battlestar Galactica even in the the original series I personally hate as I'm ex millatry I'm have no problem with women out ranking me it just I dony think they deserve to be called by a male title
Bernard Calloway it because traditionally in the military you call your superior sir regardless, I personally wouldn’t mind it as I feel it more authoritative than mam but idk both feel awkward to me because I’m young 😂
0:22 Ensign Gates is taking a starship the size of a major metropolitan city into a previously uncharted chasm. Gates shows absolutely no trepidation, and must have quite a reputation for the captain to not just take the helm for this. He once relieved Acting Ensign Crusher of the proverbial wheel for far less. Over nine hundred lives hang in the balance. Ain't nuthin' but a thang for Ensign Gates. Just another day's work.
Isn’t the enterprise less than a kilometre long?
@@oberonpanopticoncorrect. It's not that big
"Until this point, I had the luxury of time... even though I spend that time playing a holodeck game about the NX-01... which, in retrospect, was not a good use of that time."
Lol.
Ha!
LOL
Aaaaand a warp 5, 6, 7, 8 👉
Enterprise was when Trek started to go to shit, and it's never recovered since.
"Course plotted, Sir"
Never has a single line by an occasional extra been delivered with such awesomeness
Between this and the Dyson Sphere this one is who you want in a crisis.
This was one of the most chilling and disturbing ST episodes. I can just imagine what Riker was going through, seeing all his old shipmates, dead yet still completely preserved just as they were 12 years before. All the memories of that horrible time flooding back to him.
Like nightmares? Google dead bodies on Everest.
Wow, I never thought about the math before, but given that this episode takes place roughly 6 years after Encounter at Farpoint, and 12 years after the events that left the Pegasus partially buried in an Asteroid, at which point Riker was only 7 months out of the academy. He went from brand new Ensign, to Commander of the Federation flag ship in only about six and a half years. That's some ladder climbing right there!
Then he stayed at the rank of Commander, albeit by choice, for about 15 years.
Probably the reason why he was chosen to be Commander on the Enterprise. If you manage to rank that fast, you probably are very very good, and worthy of a position on the Enterprise.
Starfleet has a tradition of randomly promoting people super fast and others not at all. Harry Kim remained an ensign for at least seven years while Tom Paris was busted from Lt. to ensign and then promoted back up in spite of the fact that Harry Kim is clearly a vital member of the crew and definitely deserved promotion. Then again, Kirk was given command right out of the academy, basically.
I've long wondered if promotion is mostly about randomly finding some Easter Egg on the ship and not about an actual process.
"Whoa, you found the power-up that was hidden in Jefferies Tube 392-C! Congratulations... Admiral!"
"But sir, I'm just the custodian. I was cleaning up from Riker's last orgy. I don't know how to..."
"I said: ADMIRAL."
I wonder if that explains why he wasn't in any rush to command a ship.
Harry Kim HATES him!
3:21 "Admiral, I appear to be stuck to this rock face!"
"Commander, the temperature of that asteroid would be near absolute zero. What on earth would possess you to touch it!"
Life support systems magically heat everything to room temperature.
@@yaldabaoth2 They'd kind of have to, otherwise they'd be useless life support. And there'd be no point in beaming over if they couldn't heat things up, the ship that they're salvaging is also crazy cold from being there.
@@bobbyfeet2240 It's a bit questionable how the rock heats up fast enough to prevent Riker from getting catastrophic freezer burn
@@ananousous Assuming the casing surrounding the device is also metal, it would also be too cold to touch. We don't know exactly how long they let the life support systems run, but it's reasonable to believe that if the room has breathable atmosphere, neither Riker nor the admiral have frosted breath and nothing is frosted over, long enough for the ambient temperature to stabilize itself.
@@intelligentignorance Which is why the systems seem to work on plot magic
I always thought it was amazing that in Star Trek, humans were comfortable enough to be separated from the vacuum of space by just a force field.
@Dave Burris Doesn’t it happen in Enterprise?
@@friendlyneighbourhoodplatypus I believe it happens in the first season. The Enterprise entered into a scenario with it's usually life threatening chaos and they had used an onboard transporter specifically made for non-organic cargo to beam out Archer from his own impending doom.
Its probably very much like being under the ocean and looking out a window. They've grown up with it, are used to it.
It's like any tech, once you get used to it, you don't see the danger of it or to put it another way, people that went flying in a tin can in the early days, many would have thought you were crazy to do it and yet we all do it today without seeing the risk because the risk is minimal and that is the same for beaming to that other ship with just a force field protecting you.
Star Wars Universe too, the openings to fighter launch bays had force fields holding the atmosphere in, same with the pilot survival system in case of ejection.
Always loved this show. Still watch it.
Big facts
I love that the USS Enterprise needed to turn on searchlights inside the asteroid.
It looks like they are using a model ship in the scene, It does look nice though.
It's actually a wide-band electromagnetic 3D lidar emitter grid, used for mapping and analysing geographic stability of terrain and structures at short ranges. It just incidentally happens to also emit EM radiation in the visible frequencies, as well as infrared and microwave ranges.
@@tomhewitt8017 Fuckin NERD
@@MrCrystalm8 What's wrong with that? Go Nerds!
Your on a video about Star Trek, we're all nerds here.
65% of this large vessel is contained within the rock yet somehow the device managed to escape the clutches of the rockface by 10 feet. That's quite the stroke of luck.
Starfleet builds small test systems with plot armor. Lots of ships don't have it. Enterprise has plot armor. They don't have enough for every ship, though.
The story would run short if it hadn't. ;)
Writing!
What if the ship had accidentally ended up clocking the asteroid
@@james-michaelsellers3884 I love that. Plot armour is canon from now, Voyager got even through with some plot armour from the future.
They don’t make shows like this anymore.
Well considering how utterly Pacifist to a Fault the Federation was at this stage and it'd take the DOMINION to kick Federation over..
But otherwise no. It's called the progress of time for better or worse.
Give The Orville a try.
it's called the expanse
The Expanse is as good as the best of TNG and isn't weighed down by so many weak filler episodes.
And for good measure. Cinematography and good scripts have came a long way since this dated abomination.
Locke has discovered the DHARMA Pegasus Station. 😜
Damn I didn't even notice.
Died laughing!!! excellent comment !
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Make your own kind of music baby lol
God that show was awful.
This is the star trek Philadelphia Experiment
I commented that too! Searched this comment section for others. Found!
I remember that movie. I should watch it again
And the Pegasus might have been better named Eldridge. It was buried in the rock, just like the men and officers of the USS Eldridge, we're buried in the steel of the Eldridge's Hull and bulkheads.
Great analogy
I would like to see Captain Jellico fight this Admiral
This shows the character of both men, Pickard cares about his crew but the admiral only cares about the device and isn't at all bothered about his former dead crewmates.
@ericlogos Who loves you though?
@ericlogos Well, he could have retrieved the machine and look much less like a comic book villain if he had taken 3 seconds to express some kind of grief over what happened.
how often did picard mourn dead crew though?
@guyverjay Since it is the primary security force for the Federation it IS the military in all things but name. Just because they're ill equipped or ill prepared does not change that fact. After the Borg and definitely after the Dominion they finally came to terms with that and started to build warships...I mean escort ships. The Enterprise-E and other Sovereign class Federation ships were every bit a combat cruiser as a Klingon Negh'Var class. Lets not even mention the Defiant class.
@@Raooka Picard keeps all his pain inside until he explodes and then becomes an action star in the movies.
Admiral ... if this passage narrows to less than 500 meters, I will abort the mission. You can charge me with insubordination if you wish ... but I will not risk the safety of the Enterprise over a salvage operation.
I'm stunned Picard gave him 500 meters. LOL
The ship was about 465m wide. Hence, 500m.
@@aaronjg682 right.
my point is .... I'm stunned he went in PERIOD.
I'm surprised they didn't just take a shuttle into go get the device
@@josephlatourette8329 the Enterprise got tossed a bit upon entry with stabilizers on. a shuttle likely would have been tossed into a wall and obliterated.
@@dhinton1 yeah that makes sense now that I think about it because of the magnetic fields would have affected the shuttle more than it did the Enterprise
"I can't let you start these experiments again."
"DoNT tEll mE WHat i cANT Do!"
All roads lead here!?
What? I'm a little...... lost.
Admiral: **throws shade on the dead crew of the Pegasus.**
Will: "That's not cool dude! That guy had a mom, a family, friends, oh and a name! It's not Skeletor, it's Roger Workman!"
This comment wins.
Lets send over the 1st and 3rd highest ranking officers we have
Not like the old days when they consistently sent down the Captain, First Officer and Chief Medical Officer.
There's a reason for that.
Family Guy did it best.
Kirk: "This away mission is very dangerous and one of us will almost certainly not survive. The team will be myself, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Ensign Wilson."
Wilson: "Aw, crap."
@@bobbyfeet2240 Family Guy doesn't do anything "best". That's literally just the "red shirt" joke, Family Guy is just retelling it.
@@r0bw00d This: ruclips.net/video/EVduvWTxQ5w/видео.html
I was a little kid when this show ran and I really loved it. It got me interested in science. To see Patrick Steward in his new show about 30 years later is quite eery though. It reminds me just how quickly time passes by. I'm 39 years old myself now so it definitely hits home
I feel the same way. I'm 39 too. If I only I can go back down. Sad that my childhood seems better than that of my kids'.
Damn bro
I was 25 I still watch it
Sir Patrick the Steward 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
can we just appreciate Ensign Yeats? You've got possibly the most famous Starfleet Captain and an Admiral having an ego contest.... and you make it so.
I half expected to see the Enterprise crawling through an air duct
"Come out to the Pegasus.......Have a few laughs.........."
@@comawhite5913 now I have a cloaking device... Ho ho ho
Very large Jeffries tube...
*Metal Gear Sneaking theme plays*
"How do you half expect something?"
Pretty sure Section 31 would have sent there a ship in 12 years to recover that technology. This is a game changer.
"Look around. This room is filled with dead bodies. These people died because of this thing!"
"Nyeeheheheh. And more people will continue to die, commander. That was what I wanted all along!"
Cue maniacal laughter.
Sounds like the American leftist party. Disappointed that we're getting C-19 under control, and that their precious "SCIENCE" is betraying them. Yea, I politicized it...if you're triggered, STFU. Progtrash will never let a crisis go to waste.
@@robbritt2069 You sound foolish.
@@robbritt2069 lol
@@robbritt2069 Agreed. COVID was a scam to lead us into a New World Order dictatorship led by unelected Bill Gates' friends, so they can inject us with cancer-viruses.
I really love the morality of Riker how he came to face his inner demons and guilt and such.
He was an idiot that betrayed the federation
2:34 I wonder how many times Picard has said "yes sir" in the entire series.
I think twice. He said it once to admiral nechayev. It was sarcastic then as well! I think the episode was Descent
@@TEKnoir That was an epic moment. Nechayev was such a jerk.
He says it with a mannerism not entirely unlike Lt Paris' "Yes, Ma'am" in Voyager.
@@ZuluRomeo So is Picard really. The Chain of Command exists. He doesn't care about it unless a subordinate disobeys him. You know why? Because he thinks that because he can read literature from bygone centuries he's smarter and better than everyone.
@@skipper4126 The chain of command exists, yes, but admirals always end up being bureaucrats and politicians having forgotten what life is like on the frontier and how you often have to make snap judgements based on rapidly changing circumstances.
I was kinda hoping the “wrong” would be how Star Trek: Enterprise inserted a whole bunch of clumsy scenes of Riker soul-searching during his downtime on this mission.
Says a lot about Riker's "command abilities", "initiative", and overall character that he cowered inside a holodeck fantasy and postponed decisive action for as long as possible.
@@pwnmeisteragethat was Berman and Braga's f.u. to the fans for liking season 3 and most of 4 of Enterprise more than the sh!t show that was season 1 and 2.
Destroy a fan favourite by destroying his character, though I'm sure Frakes was completely on board with it, he's so desperate for work he'll accept directing and acting jobs on crap like disgracery and lower drecks.
@@ValiantWrestling Frakes has been an uninvited, unwanted guest on every Trek series they made after TNG.
Because screen work pays better than convention appearances. It's all he has left.
Hey Hollywood, you want an idea for an awesome Star Trek movie?? RIGHT HERE!!!!!!
How this ever became intertwined with the conclusion of Star Trek Enterprise and the pointless death of Trip Tucker is one of the great head scratchers of all time.
Did I miss something in Enterprise?
Quentin Sciascia - The Enterprise series finale ties the TNG Pegasus episode in with a lot of rushed plot mechanics that ended up having no continuity whatsoever
@@rustyshackelford3934 oh that!!! I pretend Terra Prime was the last one
Quentin Sciascia - Good policy.
I disagree. It’s a marvelous act of writing; at least compared to the most recent prime time line show.
Wow! Those engineering corpses are perfectly preserved!
Exploded to the vacuum of space maybe
you don't decompose in space
In space, no maggots can eat your spleen.
It would have been a pain for the makeup artists but a vacuum would have desiccated the bodies.
side effect of the device no doubt /s
Only if it was a Dyson.
They could have just made up a couple of dummies, probably would have been easier and cheaper than several hours in makeup, plus they could be used in the background in other episodes haha.
@@bad74maverick1 Or REAL SKELETONS from the movies POLTERGEIST & POLTERGEIST II!
@@mr.adventure0142 Hey that's not a bad idea either.
Makes me want to watch TNG again.
This was always one of my favorite episodes growing up.
I wonder if these experiments were begun by Section 31. A Starfleet captain wouldn't have had the position or authority to do them on his own.
Explosive decompression, open to space and the bodies are INTACT? AAAMMMaaazzziiinnnggg
Why didn’t they just take a shuttle in instead of the Whalen damn ship.
Plot.
Data recommended AGAINST sending a shuttle in because the giant asteroid's gravitational and magnetic fluctuations would overpower its engines and send it crashing against the sides of the tunnel. Even the Enterprise was shaking quite a bit as it traveled through the asteroid.
That phasing tech would really comes handy during Borg and Dominion invasion.
Listen to Riker "speculating" on exactly what happened and planting seeds of confusion, though he already knows what's going on
I dont think Riker could touch that rock with out freeze burning his hand instantly .... I don't think environment in that amount of mass was up to a tempt that he could just touch it so quickly
Good catch :)
"What's the matter will? Don't you understand? We found it!"
This was the episode where riker went to the archers enterprise with Troi
Don't remind me of that travesty they call a finale
No shit? It was THIS episode they used the holosuite in enterprise for?
Cüntvid 19 Unfortunately yes.
Damn, I can just feel the tension between Old Mentor and Former Naive Kid Fresh Out Of The Academy.
1:03 director yells "LEFT", Picard forgets he is facing the other way.
"It was pure fiction 12 years ago and it's pure fiction today."
Why didn't they send a shuttlecraft instead? o_0
my thoughts exactly
Why do they keep sending the Enterprise on these kinda missions? You'd think they'd have a list of morally loose captains or use Section 31 (if they're not too busy acting shifty in public).
Also I'm certain a Galaxy class is a poor choice for this kinda mission and a much smaller Miranda class would fit the mission profile better that an giant armored space yacht.
Knowing what sort of tech was on that thing, I bet the admiral was hoping the Enterprise could fight off any challengers to what they found. More importantly, Will Riker was on the ship and you kinda needed only people in the know about it trying to retrieve it. I mean you could start a war if knowledge of the experiments ever got out, not to mention the chance of a court-martial.
Seen the enterprise episode where this tng episode ties in, riker goes to the holodeck and starts a enterprise program, and then pretends to be nx-01's chef talking to the crew while he deliberates weither he should and how he will stand up to his former commander as seen above
(3:53)
Dude in ship perfectly preserved in the moment she and everybody onboard died: What's the matter?
This scene gave me the creeps as a kid and still does today. It's just a Federation Starship, but that knowing it's just been chilling exposed to space, phased into an asteroid. This normal routine setting makes my skin crawl.
Is the admiral John Locke from lost?
Yes
Yeah he turned the wheel down that well and ended up here
John also portrayed Howard Hughes in the rocketeer
Mayor Clum from Tombstone also.
Lost. Okay. I kept wondering ehat the Hell all these "John Locke" comments were about.
Times like this are when I remember why TNG was my favourite 😊
Where do all these douchy starfleet admirals come from in the future? I guess power corupts and absolute power corupts absolutely...So, just like now.
After they get out of the asteroid if I was Picard I would have offered to turn the Admiral over to the romulans as a criminal
From Lost Season 1
Boone:
Red shirt. You ever watch Star Trek?
Locke(Terry O'Quinn):
No, not really.
Boone:
The crew guys that would go down to the planet with the main guys, the captain and the guy with the pointy ears, they always wore red shirts and they always got killed.
Locke:
Yeah?
Boone:
Yeah.
Locke:
Sounds like a piss poor Captain
That's a nice myth but I believe statistically actually incorrect ;-)
Well, at least they didn't run into a giant space worm.
I cant believe the oberth didnt explode when they turned the lights on.
C'mon, a century of advancement in technology and engineering!
A 24th century Oberth is better than a Kirk-era Oberth. You can turn the lights on safely. It only explodes when you turn them off.
Looks like a unfeeling and headstrong admiral helped Terry O'Quinn prepare for his eventual role as the Smoke Monster incarnate.
Ensign Gates may i say that even that I've haven't seen you before on my ship, you look absolutely smashing today.
Hmmm. If only there was a way to reduce the form factor of the Enterprise so it could fit into the crevice better...Also, it would be nice if there was a way to remove the civilians onboard from such a dangerous situation...Hmmmmmm...
It's probably against regulations to decouple for some reason? I mean they've taken the civilian compartments into other more dangerous situations when they had the opportunity to decouple beforehand...
@@silviafox78 regulations? Well, seems to be some old regulations…
Ask yourself what would happen today if the government allowed family members on a naval vessel and then that ship had an accident or was sunk in combat and hundreds of kids died. Those government officials would be fired, resign in disgrace, or (hopefully) be put in jail for being so stupid.
@@bardleyb7218 it was an exploring ship in space. It wasn't a war ship. But it did have defenses because that just makes sense.
Now, because space is VAST...far more so than a planet that we have already populated, it makes sense to have back up generations to populate other areas..as that's REALLY the main thing to do anyhow. find areas we can live, then try out living there.
and there are a few good episodes where exactly that happens. The ship picks up passengeers and a few characters decide to stay, or at least thinks about doing so. Meaning that it's an option.
them all blowing up and dying is just part o fthe KNOWN risks from all. Each person is on the ship knowing that is a possibility. Kids get counscled when it happens. There's a whole episode about Lt. Yar's child. And Wesley Crusher is one of the main characters for a while.
The Enterprise is basically just Oregon Trail, in space, with military ties.
gotta remember that they were in neutral territory and the romulans were there scoping as well. AND they didn't want the romulans to know they found the thing that they were both searching for.
It's kinda like you didn't watch the episode. You just watched this youtube video and made comments based off this
Weren't the Romulans *also* working on a phasecloak? There was that episode where Geordi and Ensign Ro were affected by it during transport and thought they had died and become ghosts.
STAR TREK : TNG ep
THE NEXT PHASE
Yes but they were allowed to whereas it's in violation of intergalactic treaty for the Federation. The issue in this episode as I remember it is two fold. Firstly the reason the Federation doesn't have ships equipped with cloaking technology isn't because they don't understand the technology and can't figure it out. It's because it was a stipulation in the treaty of algeron signed with the Romulans which formed the Romulan neutral zone. So the Federation testing cloaking of any kind including phase cloaking is against interstellar law the violation of which could mean war with the Romulan Star Empire if it wishes to use it as an excuse.
Secondly it's implied that the phase cloak was too dangerous and was pursued regardless of the danger it posed to the people testing it. This is something unrepresentative of the ideals of the Federation but the Romulan Star Empire isn't the United Federation Of Planets.
@@jackcoleman1784 actually they understand it fine. This is a treaty only problem
@@paulrasmussen8953 I actually said the reason *isn't* because they don't understand it and can't figure it out.
@Darth Revan Right but the treaty of algeron largely replaced it. But yes the neutral zone treaty was the original treaty to establish the neutral zone I misspoke.
This would be perfect section 31 episode
Amazing television in the 90s.
Picard fought to keep the Federation honourable for so many years, when it was already on its decline.
Im glad to see people in the future have stopped using acronyms and started using descriptive names for things "begin power transfer". Is that so much to ask??
sounds like star trek version of the Philadelphia experiment
I still watch star trek with my family, we have been watching it for 10 years now♥️
The thing is, if you remove the illegal cloaking aspect of it and just focus on the matter phasing aspect, you'll still have an unbelievable new tactical advantage.
TNG greatest show ever
I remember when star trek had *good writing*
Sad days we live
Dammit i love this show so much
It is _so_ noted, sir.
Reminds me of the Philadelphia Experiment
The admiral's actions are beyond belief.
The metaphasic cloak. Total game-changer, but goodie-goodie Starfleet has to be the galactic doormat. Why would you allow yourself to be hobbled like how the Treaty of Algeron did? 🙄
I’m sure Starfleet went back to it during the Dominion war and shortly after the fall of Romulus
Riker seems distracted. Must be all the time he’s spending on the holodeck pretending to be a chef.
Is that locke from Lost ?
Patrick Stewart is such a DAMN GOOD actor
and then he's brought back in STP where Picard is turned into a pathetic shell of a man.
@@kerosoldier That was the intention of it, hence you see him build back to his former self as the story goes on.
@@paul1979uk2000 I highly doubt it for Kurtzman trek
After you sure this is acting?
@@kerosoldier Who knows but I was expecting a lot worse with the Picard series going on what we've had the last 10 years but it was actually pretty good, not as good as old trek but a breath of fresh air compared to the trek we've had the last 10 years and with any luck they can improve on that for the second series.
Yeah it's acting, you only have to see him out of Star Trek to see what he's like, yes he's older but you can tell his trying to come across as older in the Picard series then his real life self.
Starfleet Intelligence should have planned this experiment properly from the very beginning. They could have handpicked crew members who could be trusted with classified information and those who are comfortable with bending the rules.
Section 31 should have handled the retrieval of the Pegasus
@@jordancobb509 That's the problem for prequels of anything, you have story elements added later, well now you have to explain wtf they were doing before then when they hadn't been conceived of yet.
sign me up
First rule of Cunt Club:
Nobody talks about Cunt Club
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Agreed, this episode was annoying on many levels
And not a speck of dust on any of the panels!
There's no dust if you vacuum
@@tomatopotato4229 - In space, no one can hear you clean.
I wonder how there would be dust in a complete vacuum.
Mynocks?
What is it, some kind of Starfleet Philadelphia experiment?
Exactly!
@@Rkenton48wonder why they didn't just name the Pegasus, after the USS Eldridge. Or would that have been too on the nose?
I keeping thinking about how that asteroid Riker touches would be at about 4° Kelvin
Somewhere, the engineer who added copious external spotlights to a starship intended to treat "kilometers away" as "close" is screaming about vindication.
Alas, ships named Pegasus and rogue Admirals! Mixed with Ensign Ro and we got a fine - readapted - storyline on Battlestar Galactica!
This episode shares many similarities with the conspiracy theory surrounding what happened to the USS Eldridge in 1943 and Images of that ship were used in promotional material for the TV show LOST.
Guess who also featured in that show...
Shaka...when the walls fell.
For a moment the admiral seemed like he was lost.
One of my fav episodes of the last season.
This Admiral really was Lost.
2:43. thats a little scary if you pause it. or maybe more creepy
I love how a starship needs searchlights inside an asteroid. Couldn't they just use the sensors?
Well, it would be pitch black underground yea? Theyre using the view screen so they may turn the lights on.
@@Rory_Humphries I was thinking they could have used a scanner/sonar effect on the interior shots. I get it was a secret search and rescue mission for the phased cloaking device. adding a couple of flashlights into the scene was cheaper than some glowing grid overlay that could be translated into an image on the viewscreen though.
Do you think they named her after the long-lost Battlestar?
Pretty sure they are both named after the famous winged horse of greek mythology.
This is bad luck in all sci-fi universes I know of.
I am a fan of the "Oberth class" Federation starship like the Pegasus or the Grissom. The Grissom finish tragically like the Pegasus and the Astronaut Gus Grissom (Apollo 1 tragical accident).
The Nova class (think Equinox from ST:Voyager) was probably meant as a replacement for the Oberth class. They are both small, cheap science vessels.
That thing's got a heck of a shelf life.