The New Rule TERRIFYING NBA Teams
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- By now you've probably heard of the NBA's dreaded second apron.
It's already loomed large this summer as the league's highest spending teams try to navigate these murky new waters
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As an NHL and NBA fan, damn. I stand by my take that in any cap world, drafted and home grown talent should have some cap relief effect. If you drafted and trained a player (like JT) you should be rewarded for it, not penalized.
Sounds cool, but would lead to a corruption pipeline effecting kids sports even worse than it already is
The Celtics got their picks from the Nets (Tatum/Brown). You can keep you own player, that’s why Bird rules exist. OKC and other small market teams building through the draft is not like their like to develop the youth, it’s they only way to be competitive because they have 0 chance to land free agents.
@@SplendidNinjathis comment makes no sense.
@99nikniht it does if you realize the lengths owners would go to save/make money... even if it took years to pan out.
Lol you definitely a Celtics fan. If JT and JB wanna stay together, take a pay cut. Players likes Duncan, Brady, and Curry did it to keep their teams together. Kobe’s highest paid contract was a 7 year 136 mil contract. These players can leave some on the table. If they wanna keep taking 300 mil, then don’t complain when the team gets gutted.
CJ McCollum gets a lot of criticism for being the player's union president who oversaw this Collective Bargaining Agreement but its the Governors (owners) who forced it through. They wanted to penalize the likes of Steve Ballmer and Joe Lacob for being big spenders and they got it.
Facts
I thought Chris Paul is the NBA Player's President
@@baddiebutters That was a few years ago.
I don't understand why they don't compensate teams for developing their drafted players and penalise those who do big spending acquisitions?
Putting the o-word in parentheses doesn’t make it better. You’re now guilty of disgusting racism. Delete your account.
This is punishment for the last decade of player empowerment
💯 Also to punish teams willing to pay to win.
This is punishment for teams like the Warriors that drafted well. CJ McCollum couldn’t stand them
@@mikokbSmall market teams that drafted well have never been able to keep a team together because they don’t have the money so now you have to continue to draft well to replace the players that you will lose .
this mfer is racist af.
What he didn’t tell you is the players didn’t give up money in the cba share
So this is ridiculously misleading. It’s just shifting money to different players, not all players being paid less
Dynasties are not bad.... You needed those kinds of teams for other teams to be smarter.
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Yes, in the 80s the Celtics and Lakers dynasties saved the NBA. The 90s Bulls dynasty grew the NBA fan base. The 2000s Lakers and Spurs dynasties grew it even larger. And the Warriors wins grew the fan base internationally.
No dynasties and more casual fans will lose interest.
@@bb1111116 dynasties of the decades will continue on
I think the problem with the payrolls is the max salary. Take Phoenix, their 3 main players, Booker, Durant and Beal are being paid $150 million because they are getting the max salary.
I think teams are going to take a hard look at offering max contracts to top talent next year. They take too much of the payroll and there are going to be teams that will not take those players on in free agency.
A lot of stars are greedy. I don't seem to understand why they can't take less money so their teams can sign quality free agents and they can play with less stress, reserving energy for the playoffs and elongating their careers.
Your idea is correct, but in practice - look what happened to Clippers. Got crucified for not paying super max to an older player whos not even super star 🤷♂️
@@benrackauskas4115clips did the right thing, a max for pg at that age was crazy
@@sydneychukwukelu The reason players should NOT take less, because it's possible to do so and still lose. More importantly, not every player desires a championship. Generational wealth is valued faaaaaar more than jewelry and good media coverage
Yeah it’s very interesting when compared to the NHL where there is tons of variation in the salaries and not a single player makes the max. You’re actually left wondering what a contract will look like going into free agency. In the NBA, “star” players get the absolute most that they are eligible for every single time.
I’m definitely pro-labour/ player, I’m not saying that any of them should take pay cuts. I also get that a star in the NBA is worth WAAAAY more to his team than in the NHL. It’s just fascinating to watch it play out the same way every single time.
You can already see who it actually hurts: mid level players
Every year, all 30 teams would use their mid level exception on a four year deal. Now, half the teams aren't using it at all, instead just signing minimum deals only.
They should give exceptions for teams to players who has only been in one team since their rookie year and call it loyalty exception. At least allow a player to retire in a team where they started. It’s a rare thing and gives more identity to a brand and foster team loyalty for players and fans
There's an elephant in the room with this new rule: there's more and more talent in the NBA. This rule will penalize players in the long run because there will be fewer and fewer points of fall for max contracts.
NBA should do something to make homegrown talents an exception to money rules
You can't. Because you would have teams like OKC who has the best player development history hogging all the young talent lol
then the other teams should get better player development
@@YoureWrongHeresWhymaybe you should try rubbing a few braincells together before you respond. Nothing you said here makes any sense.
@@99nikniht bro, get off my dck. It's okay if you didn't comprehend it.
If you make an exception for home grown talent, teams like OKC, who are one of the best at drafting and developing talent, would have a huge advantage because they can keep players like Jalen Williams and Chet alongside Shai instead of having to choose between the two
@@99nikniht get off my D.
You cannot make an exception for home grown talent because teams like OKC will become OP because they can keep Jalen Williams and Chet next Shai instead of having to choose between the two.
This will weed out which organizations really have their stuff together. If you wanna win multiple titles, your front office, coaching staff & roster have to be on point & on the same page.
Case and point being the lakers who are a very popular and lucrative team, but no star wants to go there because of the disorganization in ownership and management
@@MrE_ *because of LeBron.
It's going to take away from some exciting times... The buyout market was FUN to see... I hope they have a way to amend this moving forward
This new CBA is so dumb, what if you are a team like OKC or Houston who actually drafted a lot of talented players and will be penalized tryna sign those players and/or even lose them because they simply just can’t afford to pay them all.
Yea that's the part I don't like. Unfortunately, the way to succeed is to mix young talent ahead of schedule on rookie contracts with prime talent then after winning, you make a choice between them and trade one
Nah, I think it's fair. Every team should work around a salary cap and the players will need to cooperate like in the NHL if they want their team to stay competitive. Have you seen these 200 million contracts lately? It's absurd.
@theotherguy2675 fr I fck with it. It forces talent to go to other teams. Now as the original comment says, it's unfair if you draft right. But you could also play around it. They get too good and you can't pay one of them? Trade them for assets.
That's part of the gameplanning the GM & ownership need to do. And for players to decide if they want to stay but take less or get absolutely maximum dollar value but somewhere else with maybe less shot at winning
People are too anxious to put an ''end'' to superteams (even though all superteams since the Warriors failed catastrophically), that I think they are being overall shortsighted here: yes, its true that teams who spend big to attract stars will be hampered... but so will teams that *actually draft well*. The OKC Thunder right now, for example, has a bounty of young talent... what happens when they all go into their actual big contracts? Shai and Chet are no-brainers, but so is JDub. You'd also want to keep Jay Will, Lu Dort, and I haven't even reached other young guys who showed very good potential, like Aaron Wiggins and Cason Wallace. A team like the Celtics already was fearful of looking forward knowing they had 2 Max players in their roster (and had to capitalize before the second apron hit), what is OKC gonna do having 3 of them AND other guys? Its an even worse situation then they were when they *let go of fucking James Harden*.
The idea is good, but they NEED to tinker with it a bit more, specially when it comes to players drafted by the team. As it is its only gonna encourage teams to find THE guy and give up instantly on their other drafted players.
@nicolasmartinez795 They didn't ''lost their meaning'', the teams don't chose to give money away randomly, they pay the market value. If they don't pay, another team will. If they want to pay less to their third guy because they want to build a better team and he isn't ''worth it'', too bad, a mid-level team wanting to be more competitive will just snag them.
This will make teams that *actually* draft and develop well only have a small window to capitalize on their players, and then the teams who *don't* draft and develop will just take players from them.
@@felipecouto1102 its been done lots of times before okc did it trading harden out gsw did it too trading monta ellis out. probbly more but thats what i can remember right now. super teams that are created instantly are gone without the money to buy their inflated egos but superteams created naturally will continue
@@artix003 That was different, Ellis was the best player but saw that the front office was putting too much stock on Curry. He said from day 1 that eventually it would have to be either him or Curry.
For teams like OKC in recent years its not the same thing. Shai isn't asking the front office to trade JDub or Chet. And during the KD-Russ-Harden era, they also didn't want to throw away Harden, they did it cuz they didn't want to pay the luxury tax.
At the end of the day the money OKC didn't want to pay Harden was chunk change compared to other deals after the new CBA.
@nicolasmartinez795 lol as if it's the team wanting to overpay subpar stars. It's those "stars" that are demanding max/super max money when they are barely all star level. Just look at PG13's contract he is all star level but he ain't 50M worth star seller level. He's always injured and lost his carrying power post-Indy. "Star" level like Lavine, Ingram, Booker, MPJ and Beal that has the numbers but not the wins and ticket sales are the first to go.
Only SGA and one of Chet/Jdub should be given huge contracts. Other players should get less money. It's ridiculous how role players nowadays get paid so much.
They need to add a clause that reduces the amount that a contract counts towards the cap space for home drafted players, maybe 80%. This would give teams that draft well a leg up over the competition
All sports = cap rules to promote competitive balance and prevent overspending by rich teams
MLB = already stacked team can sign superstar for near billion dollars and delay payments to allow signing even more players
MLB = The only league without back to back champions in the last 20 years
Baseball is the most competitive sport bro even the all star game isn’t easy . Dodgers been stacked for the past 7 years & only 1 World Series to show for . Can’t use baseball as a comparison.
Salary Caps are un-american
4:09 ‼️ Great point. This definitely helps the owners save money far more than it creates parity in the league.
Or maybe max contracts should only go to the few very best players instead of every single all star in the league. Brunson seems to care more about keeping a roster together than killing the Knicks by demanding a max deal.
The fact that teams that draft well can't keep their stars is bull. That was probably slipped in there by the OKC owner from the backlash he got for the Harden move
There should have been a couple seasons grace period before the 2nd apron started.
For example, Nuggets and Bucks constructed their roster under the old rules.
On top of that, look at Jalen Brunson’s new contract. That gives the Knicks a huge advantage going forward.
But the freezing pick could lead to some screwball situations.
Didn't answer the biggest question..why is this called an apron. How did the definition of an apron grow to cover this. Aprons were garments worn to protect clothes from food splatter while cooking, then part of an airport tarmac where planes congregate and now all of a sudden an apron is an organisations salary threshold limit.. How did an apron come to have these varied uses??
It's going to almost force star players to take less than their market value like Brunson just did
On the upside at least the NBA won't be overpaying sidekicks
I think these are a little harsh. I get that there is alot of star movement and team ups nowadays, hell look at all the all star duos we've seen over the last decade but this basically gives teams a 2-3 year window once they get good or even great which doesn't happen for a lot of team frequently if ever since most of the championships are with LAL and BOS. (Those teams have had multiple periods of dominance where are with the bulls and spurs it was really just one player or a train of players)
im happy no teams can just easily buy a championship.
I’m sure a few owners have already thought about relaxing the rules for players who never leave the team that drafted them. What I’m curious about is why they couldn’t agree on this. A bad team like Detroit could potentially keep all its talent, not pay the tax, and just keep shuffling coaches until one sticks. And on the other end, you could have a Warriors team that are just able to keep their big 3 until retirement for that fairytale ending.
Imagine the 90s bulls if they won their second threepeat, then couldn't put together a good team for the next 30 years .... oh wait ...
Finally, I can just send this video to people instead of explaining it for 15 minutes 😂
I got you 🫡😂
some of this people dont even pay attention to cap space and shit, and thinks their trade pacakges are good or fair lol ( trade scenarios from warriors/ lakers, fans )
Love the vid and the channel. Questions about the cut. You look like an Eastern European carpenter
Only punishments I see here that are bad is anything that punishes teams for drafting too well and developing their own players too well. Anything having to do with that should be rewarded
Homegrown guys should have a discount on the aprons impact. It’s unfair either with the good organizations and with the players.
Then the thunder would still be a dynasty which the nba wants to get rid of
Ratings are decrease even more
@Fernando Sousa
That trend is true about television overall not just the NBA. That's why the new television deal is coming out the way it is
Fans say they want parity but then there’s parity the ratings drop it’s crazy
Why money keep going up if ratings keep going down me no understan
@@richmahogany1710 ratings for all tv is going down besides the nfl from people cancelling cable. To stop the remaining people from canceling the tv companies are paying extra for sports. And sports gambling
@@porkypine602I don't want parity, I want a few juggernauts that teams are chasing.
So these 'super smart' billionaires got rules to keep them from making continuous stupid basketball decisions. Remember this folks next time a billionaire tries to talk and act like they are an expert in some other field or issue.
Since KG and Ray Allen went to the Celtics I believe in ‘08, what’s kept the league growing is roster turnover. But let me be specific: SUPERSTAR roster turnover.
No one cares about Bruce brown and KCP leaving Denver except Nuggets fans and hardcores.
Once you have NBA finals featuring the Pacers and Kings followed by the Thunder and some other small market team no one cares about and NBA finals ratings go down the drain, the NBA will change this real quick.
I liked the escalating luxury tax. Even Balmer was going to get sick of spending $200M in luxury taxes for a bunch of first round exit bums. This is just ridiculous. All it does it help owners spend less with an excuse and make good guys who are team players like Brunson take significantly less than someone with comparable talent who has no title aspirations just wants to make as much money as possible.
We as fans often forget we care a lot more about winning than most of the players. That’s not talked about nearly enough but it’s a stone cold fact
I like to see team identity above all else.
There is none in the last decade of player empowerment.
Owners want to win for the team and the city they represents. Players wants to win bags.
The reason I admire Pop with the Spurs and Pat Riley with the Heat.
Ya know that picture of Patrick from SpongeBob with sparks flying from his head? That's me right now lol
Soo im kinda of curious and based on current trends we could see the salary cap rise to 200-300 mil. If star players take a bit less than the max say 75 mil per year theytr still getting paid but the mid level guys can also get paid way more.
I want more unpredictability. dynasties not needed anymore.
There is one thing more boring than "parity in the league", and it is FORCED parity. This is gonna be annoying to watch
It’s not affecting Cleveland. They are planning to give Evan mobley the max . Now they have three max in Mitchell , garland , and Mobley . Garland and Mobley don’t deserve the max but got it anyway.
I think they're considering trading Garland somewhere
@@jonathand.t.5051 some nba experts says Cleveland need to attach at least one first unprotected to garland if they want to trade him.
I love the fact the Celtics have the most titles without ever getting any high priced free agents. I remember when we got a sniff of KDs presence and we got all excited, even though he didn't come to Boston. Every Celtics title was built with shrewd drafts, home grown players and smart trades. And yet, Boston will have to deal with more inept NBA governance. Won't matter. LA, New York, Golden State, Miami can all try to draw big names. The C's will win with Stevens...
them getting Holiday was one of the greatest robbery of all time, or one of he dumbest move by a team(Bucks)
NBA just ruined the league with these aprons
To answer that last question, you only need to turn to the big daddy in the room, the NFL. As early as 1960, when he became commissioner, Rozelle saw the need for parity. Having all your teams having a good shot at winning (over time) is a good thing. Having a reverse draft--where losing teams picked before winning teams was one of them. But the big innovation was revenue sharing. This allowed teams in smaller markets to compete on an even footing with teams from New York, Chicago, and L.A. You only have to see baseball's continuing struggle with this--where teams like the Dodgers and Yankees practically buy pennants--to understand.
The NBA did a brilliant thing when David Stern took over by agreeing to guarantee the players 55% of the gross revenues. This saved the league and forced it to also come to terms with limiting what teams could do with salaries. While it's been tweaked in the decades since (decades!), the basic premise remains: establish a minimum and a maximum, and then let teams compete within that. And let's face it, the best-run franchises in basketball do most of the winning. If you could buy your way to a championship based on your market, the Knicks and the Nets would be right up there with the Lakers and the Celtics in terms of championships.
Excellent video. Thank you
When a team goes over the luxury tax who is responsible for that bill
The team in general (so ownership). And it's dispersed among all the non-tax teams
I feel like you should be able to go over for your own drafted players
New CBA RULES TRASH 💯
They’re going to need a dynasty or two to bridge interest from the LeBron Curry era to the Wemby era now that those guys are either aging and/or their teams are degraded.
Boston and OKC et al being rewarded for drafting their guys would give people new stars to latch onto (Tatum, Brown, Shai… Nuggets should be rewarded for Jokic not punished…
also sustained loyalty even if you didn’t draft them but you resuscitated/elevated their career ie Pacers stealing Haliburton and turning him into a superstar
Relationships today are like the NBA's current CBA. I currently have a room exemption worth $8.30
Who else is sadistically waiting for the first team to hit it
Steve Ballmer has a lot of money but not a lot of sense when it comes to bringing the clippers a championship.
This is so these players dont get paid more than they are worth ... Zion, Kawhi, Kuzma, Dame, PG, Embiid, the list goes on
Goodbye Big 3s. Even Big 2s to an extent. Now it'll be Big 1 and 1/2s 🤣🤣
No more superteams in a nutshell 😂
Good observations, nice one
Joe Lacob embarassed the rest of the league for the last decade to the point they had to change the game bc of it.
Joey Lightyears really valued winning over all else and put his money where his moith is, and the rest of the owners said stop, youre making us look bad.
Im just glad we were blessed with witnessing the last true dynasty first hand 🙏
Clipper’s definitely should of gave PG that 4th year
Especially after buying that new huge stadium
I like the new CBA! 👍🏽
Why did the players agree to this?
New tv deal is my guess.
Players got easy ways to sign contract extensions with the same teams as other concessions.
This is penalizing all those owners that overpay for years to build super teams more than it does the players themselves.
@@rolandmiller5456 it also penalizes homegrown teams who can't keep their players lol
@@chozen3769 Yeah, people are so scared of ''superteams'' (every single one failed since the Warriors) they are gonna gut their own well-drafted teams. Wait a couple more years and everyone is going to be talking about how teams cannot retain depth anymore.
@@felipecouto1102 exactly
Protect the home grown
This makes me wonder why are the salary caps different in the NFL and in the NBA? What if the NBA had a HARD salary cap like in the NFL? NFL has a HARD salary cap and the league still generates millions of dollars in views and revenue, this means the NBA should copy the NFL and have a HARD salary cap as well.
@nicolasmartinez795 Doesn't make sense because why doesn't the NFLPA do the same then? Why does the NFL and NBA have different salary structures? Why can't the NFL and NBA use the same salary structures for both leagues?
@@arthurau9231because they are two DIFFERENT entities
@@arthurau9231 Its because NFLPA has way less leverage than the NBAPA. NBA is a player driven league. Stars run the show. Look at the biggest extreme example. Lebron james. He basically controls the lakers. The most historic and riches NBA franchise. He has complete control of the Lakers.
@@chan13153 The same can be said about Mahomes and the Chiefs as Mahomes has complete control of the Chiefs and who plays for him.
@@arthurau9231 I disagree. Look at Tom Brady. He’s the goat but look at how his stint ended in New England. That’s the closest comparison with Lebron too with the lakers right now. Lebron can demand anything. And he’s 40. Brady got old and the patriots let him go.
And that’s Tom Brady. How about ur average all star? NBA all stars in general have way more sway over their teams than your star nfl players. NBA is a players league
So where does the taxes go
The tax money is distributed among the non-tax teams
@@JoeCash89 So the teams who "suffer" at the hands of "superteams", get paid for their trouble. How considerate.
Damn man who cut that hair? Nice vid tho
lol, the owners asked for this. They wanted protection from themselves.
True NBA fans love league parity. But the real money is in super teams. All the way back to the showtime lakers up to the warriors.
exactly
nice haircut joe
Problem is they are overpaying these plastic players. The owners need to take back their league.
if they were so terrified they wouldn't be signing ridiculous max contracts to fringe all-star players 😂😂😂
The new CBA is similar to the NFL hard cap. They basically don't want another superteam to happen to the NBA and be able to keep a competitive balance for the agency market. Honestly, I like the new rules bc this will stop superteams from happening so much.
it punishes the homegrown superteams
Most of the super teams have failed though.
yea like the celtics
As a dude that loves seeing trades and stuff like that, this is great but man this is horrible for small teams that drafted well in the past.
They are trying to avoid another Golden State run with 4 hall-of-farmers, including a pirate(*Cough* KD *COUGH*)😅
This helps save lovey but ruins the game how are people supposed to get invested in teams now that good rosters won’t be dominant for that long…..
As non american
After watching this video
Now im 95% more confused
Fan Favorites getting superstar Max Deals i love this for the NBA
No one team should be bigger then the NBA which is why this got put in place.
They should just have hard cap like the NFL.
I guess the Celtics didn’t get this memo . 🤔
Player empowerment and superteams murdered basketball. Too little, too late. Fans are fed up with players, and the league as a whole.
I'm in favor of the CBA primarily because each team will have an opportunity to begin the season as a hopeful playoff team increasing local attendance and it will cause marginal veteran players to have higher value later in their careers as teams look to maximize talent and price
The CBA does hurt small market teams that draft well and do player development but that is counterbalanced by the larger markets being penalized for hitting the second apron too often.
The league does better for a casual fandom when there are dynasties and marketable rivalries but I'm in favor of league attempting to get as many fanbases involved through the in season tournament and the play in teams for the final two playoff spots
Meanwhile homeless people struggle and need healthcare.
Superteams didn't grow the League. Players with great stories of triumph over adversary grew the league.
If they are going to place a this restriction, at least raise the salary cap to give teams more flexibility
This is a punishment for the player empowerment moment…
It punishes the likes of OKC, Memphis, Minnesota who are developing their youth because of these apron restrictions and also, this is going to test players going forward…
I’m watching the Knicks closely cause if they make the conference finals after Brunson taking less… players might have to take less to cheat the system once again
Parity is always better because more teams are in on the hunt making more fans caring about their local teams than 1-3 super teams always winning.
You have to continue to draft well or you will only have about a 3 year window because you will keep losing players when it’s time to pay them . This new CBA is the best thing to happen to my OKC Thunder. We also have 3 years left of Shai being on the best value contract in the NBA .
Why not just have a hard cap and stop making life so confusing
Finally…. You got a decent haircut bro.
Trading draft picks is worse than cryptocurrency. They're leveraging middle school student athletes for millions of dollars 😂
Also might players gonna take a lot of pay cut
This sounds like a horrible idea
Lol when Tatum and Jailin opt out for more money. They will be busting the salary cap on their own. Also lol if one of them opts out and the Celts say adios
wait... is this the same host we see but more up close and zoomed in?
Players need to start taking a page out of Duncan, Steph, Brady, and Brunson’s playbook. If you wanna keep your team together and go on a run, take a pay cut. You can’t sign a 300+ mil contract and then complain about team building. Kobe’s biggest contract was 7 years 136 mil. These players can leave some on the table to make sure they’re surrounded by adequate talent. If they play their cards right, endorsements from winning will make up the difference.
This is all bron-wade-bosh fault, people are done with superteams,at least the mavericks spanked those idiots.Since lebron decision players have turned into one year ring chasers
where does the tax money go?
It's distributed among the non-tax teams
Of cuz this won’t apply to Lebron team or wherever he will play
Queue the Rain Man meme 🫤
The second Apron penalize home grown talent. :/
Add a "Franchise Contract"
- given to "Franchise Player"
- it's on top of the players contract
- does not count as part of team salary
- teams can only trade Franchise player to another franchise player
- franchise player can request to be traded But he needs to let go of franchise contract
- franchise contract can be reassign once player is free agent or requested to be traded
"Players generally loathe the franchise tag because it impacts their ability to get maximum money from the market. It also forces them to play on a one-year deal, where an untimely injury right before hitting the market (again) would negatively impact a player's ability to reach a long-term deal." No player is EVER going to agree to let go of their contract. They'll just pull a "Zach LaVine" and get surgery if they think they're getting traded.
After 45 years as a Fan and Rrally Hate the NBA for RiggingcTitles for Kobe the Sex Offender. Take Portland and Sacramento Title Chances Away done by David Syern for Kobe.
They still gonna Rig Games FOR The Lakers. Have been for 24 years
What?