I was happier the day I sold my turf master than I was the day I bought it. Every yard has a hill here and I pushed more than it pulled itself. Cut was good and that was the only good about it. I am looking at getting a Bravo 25 currently have 2 hondas and they are absolutely amazing.
I was going to buy one today but after watching a couple of videos on the problems with them I have changed my mind and am keeping my 21 inch mower thank you so much for saving me money and stress. David M Northern Kentucky
A lawn care friend of mine gave me an EX mark 26 inch cut, worked fine for two years in my st Augustine grass then all hell broke loose had to take it to an Ex Mark dealer and spent $327 to fix it. Replace idler pully and belts, plus a new pull starter. The engine is great, a kiwasaki with oil filter. Thanks for saving me 1800 dollars, I was preparing to buy a 30 inch. A very good video.
Ive always wondered about those 30" mowers. Thanks for the insight. I love my Hondas as well. The HRC-216 is a beast and built like a tank. The first HRC-216 I bought 12 years ago and was used commercially for 10 years before I made it a backup mower 2 years ago for cosmetic reasons. I replaced it with another HRC-216.
I've sold these in our store for three years. Once I learned to educate my customers on what they were buying I eliminated 99 percent of my complaints. These units are not, nor were they ever meant to be or replace, a wide area walk behind that cost $3,500. I tell every prospective buyer this sentence: 'This mower is for mowing Sister Bertha's nice Saint Agusutine grass but it's not for mowing Sister Bertha's alley behind her house.' Also of note; they hate sandy conditions. If you are interested in one of these mowers keep the following in mind: 1. They require periodical adjustments. One of which will have to be made within the first two weeks of ownership. 2. They do not do well in high grass. The same engine is on the 21" Commercial Toro. You can't add nine mower inches of cutting swath and think it will have the same power as the 21". 3. They are heavy. This isn't something to put in and out of the back of a pickup truck all day long. 4. Since the blades are timed they are very unforgiving when hitting an object. I tell a customer: 'Hit anything with this and just bring me 200.00 for me to fix it.' 5. I keep hearing about transmission issues but rarely ever see the issue in our store. 6. The cut really clean, mulch really well and bag even better. 7. It is not a poor mans 32" T-Bar Wide Area Walk Behind. It's not even close to the same machine. Once I communicate this info to the customer I let them make up their own mind whether the mower is for them or not. Great machine when used properly.
47f0 Toro does not pitch 30” as a replacement to the heavy duty wide area walks they sell. Yes the mower can be used professionally and should be but they have a specific purpose. When used outside of that intended purpose.... beware.
@@ericowens964 - Got it. Avoid sand, which according to the soil and water sciences department of the University of Florida, pretty much rules out the state of Florida, avoid tall grass, which rules out cleanups, and quite a few bi-weekly customers, and generally baby the heck out of it.. But it's a professional mower. Tell you what Eric - Toro needs to stop watering down the professional reputation they're trying to build for their Exmark brand with consumer grade equipment, and Toro / Exmark dealers need to stop letting Toro/Exmark pull that crap instead of covering for them.
This review is SPOT ON !!!! I wish I had never bought my turfmaster... and I do not use it commercially. I just liked the concept of a 30 inch cutting walk behind. YUGE mistake
Joe, I was at the shop about to buy one last week. I figured, I love my toro 22 inch persons pace, and therefore I figured the 30 inch model would be a perfect upgrade. Well, I've heard nothing but bad remarks. The crazy thing is,, I'm still going back and forwards about the mower. Man I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I am taking you all's advise.
The problem I have with them is that when there is virtually any moisture at all in the lawn grass will cake really bad on the top of the under moreso than what I ever experienced with a 20 or 21" and certainly moreso than with my 36" and 48". Also, they made the opening of the mower to the bagger attachment way too small so that you often have to clean it out. There simply is too much grass trying to pass through a small area. I like the 30" because they are nice and help to save time on the smaller lawns that you can't get into with a 36".
Thanks for the video brother, with the season fast approaching ive been very interested in the exmark commercial 30". We run 2 Honda 21" commercial and have NEVER had any maintenance problems at all. im glad to here about the issues before i took that jump, i will definitely hold off on this mower, also with me getting my New walker in august we rarely use the 21'' anymore, just thought having an 30'' in arsonal would be great, Thanks and GREAT video
I've also have several cracked blades on my Toro Timemaster 30. It's important to be very wary of any excessive vibration which could mean one of the blades may be starting to crack from stress. Hairline cracks may be almost invisible to naked eye but will produce considerable vibration when synchro belt is engaged and blades are turning. Once you know your mower, you should be able to detect vibrations if you're paying attention. It think these Toro blades are problematic in their design but they could redesign the blades to increase the elasticity of the carbon steel and reduce brittleness which is contributing to the cracked and broken blades. I'm happy with my Timemaster going on almost 3 years with work in multiple accounts. All cables, pulleys and belts have been replaced. All in all, it's a heavy beast and can do commercial work but be prepared for downtimes for periodic maintenance. Everything can be DIY if you have mechanical ability. But don't put off the essential inspections and regular maintenance. Pay attention to vibrations which means something is out of balance. I've actually heard of one roadside fatality from a commercial pull-behind rotary mower breaking off one of its blades and hitting a passerby in the head and killing him. Freak accident in that case.
Hope ya have looked into a 36” stand on mowers . Wright , Gravely & John Deere all make great stand on mowers . The fixed decks are cheaper but the floating decks make more sense and can handle the abuse of commercial applications such as jumping over curbs lol . We used one during our South Texas Coastal properties from Whataburger and our grocery king HEB properties. We had John Deere and they are built like tanks .
Good video man, its good to get that info out there. I had my Exmarks for 2 years and hated them, the drive system on them really truly sucks. I ended up getting some higher end consumer push mowers and they have been great for me.
I just finished my fourth year with the TurfMaster Mower. I have changed the drive belt once. Everything else seems to be working great. I mulch 80% of the time, works great. The TurfMaster complements my Grasshopper 725D Mower. Sorry that they don't work for you.
In the comments,asked about the YBravo. Their great! Fast two speed tranny bags well and a nice cut behind. Reminds me of the older two speed Hondas that were truly iron dukes! On the YBravo 25" and 21" the Honda accerlator bag (the larger aluminum one) fits! I'm a taller guy and the handles are higher also which is why I chose it over the Honda. The only bad thing is that there's not too many YBravo dealers so parts and service is a pain.
Go to your local auto parts store and buy a couple of 12-14 oz spray cans of serpentine (fan belt) conditioner. You'll get an extra year or two out of any belt including your vehicle. While you're there, grab yourself a one gallon container of Marvels oil. Follow the instructions and add it to your gas and engine oil. And change your oil once a month at a minimum. Last, never cut sideways on a hill as it tears up the wheel bearings. My cars, motor cycles and mowers never break down. Best of luck.
I sold both of mine always was breaking the transmission cable. They were both awesome for about 6 months after that they were junk. These are a bad investment and many people get sucked into buying them. Not to mention a pain to work on.
I bought my exmark 30" winter of 2014. Not for commercial use, but for home. It's a great mower for that. It does clog up under the deck when mowing high wet grass - more than it should. It's an awesome mower for me. I can see if workers beat the snot out of it - it won't take it.
I have 3 of them now. If you are good at maintenance they aren't that bad. For me I'd rather have to do maintenance once in a while then spend a extra day cutting grass. What would take 3 with a 21 I do In 2 days with a 30. And if you do lawn care get 2 of them so you can switch them off every 4 houses given them time to cool down. And you will figure out what the maintenance is as you use it. Change oil regularly use premium fuel always and stabilizer. But if you don't like tinkering once in a while don't get it. I love maintaining my equipment from snow blowers to lawn mowers and my trucks. And from what I understand just get the timemaster avoids commercial machines. You can get 2 timemaster for price of 1 commercial.
I am thinking of buying a ferris 15 lawnmower is the lexmark or Toro better I have a very large flat yard I have been using a swardman for years but have trouble finding a dealer to sharpen it
thank you for sharing. i love the idea of a 30” cutting width but was hesitant to buy toro or exmark. after watching your video i’m definitely not going to buy them. why would honda not make a 30” mower?
We've got a model#22210 and no major issues just maintenance on belt tensioner as stated on manual and belt changes use only oem toro. Weak trans but good on residential houses, I can see why you got rid of them bc of more commercial accts and design issues. Best of luck from DFW area.
I have a single blade 30" deck off an old small riding mower (orange, don't know what make) in excellent shape and well built and a basically new 6.75hp briggs ohv. I also have some 12" x 1 1/2" wide wheels (plain plastic bore no bearings). Do you think if I mated the parts together the average person could push it being nonpropelled. Our lawn is mostly flat, many trees, and a large damp area that the grass grows thick and lush twice as fast. We don't mulch or bag. My wife usually cuts about 2 acres with just a 19" push but she would like a bigger mower. PS We have a rider, but she enjoys mowing for exercise. Thanks
Mike Gipp get another commerical mower 21", the Honda is great only if you use it mostly for bagging. It's a horrible mulcher unless it's dry grass, it's great at mulching leaves in winter though but the weight will cause ruts if you're not careful. Also maneuvering in small areas is annoying and hard, I have a Honda hrc216 and took his video of them for purchase. They're great mowers but the weight is too heavily and the deck will eventually rust unlike aluminum.
Belts don't stretch, but they do wear out. Why were these belts wearing out so fast? Maybe a rough surface on one or more pulleys? Maybe an idler pulley with a bad bearing causing it?
For belt replacement, you can use the height adjustment arm as a lever to really get that tension spring opened enough that its not too bad to slip on the belt. i wish I wasnt a expert at those belts. Im selling mine soon also.
Hey your videos are great, very helpful. is the commercial honda the most reliable and hassle free 21'' mower in your opinion? Im staring a new mowing business this summer and i have to start small, maybe with the honda mower and a stihl weed eater. It was between the honda and the exmark 30, but im thinking the honda. what are your thoughts?
First year running the exmarks, sped me up a lot from 21s but I have had semi frequent problems. Broke a belt and throttle cable after 4mos. Ill see how it works going into year 2 but I do a lot of residentials with gates and love em for that. They just fit through 99% of gates
Hey I have a bunch of these 30 ex marks as well. I just payed $ 95.00 for a replacement belt from our dealer here in Canada - Kelowna BC. You nailed it with the few issues of these mowers though. Well said man.
Ah that stinks Jason but I see what you're saying. I just put a new belt on mine every winter before the season. The $20 and the 30-40 min it takes me to put on is just preventative. I put about 90-100 hrs on mine per year so many you go much more crazy with them but luckily I've had zero issues. Another good video man!
Thanks for the video! Great stuff. So... if you just had a really big yard and for exercise reasons wanted a walk behind, but strapped for time what would you get? Thanks!
i have an hrx i love it but if you can find an "HRB215" buy it, it weighs 50lbs and has the poly deck easy to lift when needed, also has the old style heavy duty honda 5hp engine runs forever.
You got ten thumbs down , must of been Toro and Exmark reps ! Maybe they should just fix the problems instead of dogging peoples reviews ! Thanks much for this review ! You have no doubt saved me money and troubles ! Have you looked at the Cub Cadet 33 ? I'm going to look at it and see if I can find some reviews . Thanks again ! Have a great and safe season !
I had issues with what I thought was the belt getting loose. Turned out all I had to do was adjust the tension on the cable above the belts and it's been fine for a year. The Timemaster isn't a fan of wet tall grass even with the side discharge chute in. I keep a putty knife handy. I guess the opening is too small. I'm more concerned with the weight of the thing when mowing ditches. But I still choose to use it instead of weed whacking the entire ditch. If I had room on my trailer, I would have a second one with the discharge hole enlarged for the tall, wet grass.
I lost so much weight running and sweating behind that heavy little mower and throwing it around every 180 degree turn that I am now light enough to stand on a little sulky behind it :D Getting mine off the trailer and only using ride-on mowers/sulkies, or light-weight Honda 21's with plastic decks.
Oh yes i love my HRX217. over here in australia the top mower in the Honda commercial range is the HRU216M2 but its basically the same as the HRX except it has a steel deck, no versamow system, a snorkel, 3 speed tranny instead of infinite and its another 35kg heavier ;D
Most of my Hondas had them too from the HR214SX/HRA214SX machines up to my current HR214SX and HRC216HXC. Some find the HRC to be heavy but I don't. I find it a pleasure to work with.
an exmark owner here, all belts have the same issue if you Jam the levers real fast you ware out the belts faster, if you ease the levers and be a little mindful the belts can last a good while. I'm still on my original factory belts 3 years later. don't get me wrong the mowers have their issues, but it has been a damn good mower.
We had the Toro 30 Commercial. None of the guys would use them because they was so heavy and the transmissions was so weak. I use to use the John Deer self propelled 22inch mowers. We loved them But John Deer stopped selling them in the USA
I'm finally getting the honda hrx217hya. I've seen your video on the honda hrx217hya vs the honda hrc216. I'm definitely going for the hrx217hya. thanks for the help buddy
I got my Honda hrx217hya 2 years ago, I couldn't be happier with it, but it's not being used commercially- but did replace an early 90's commercial Snapper model that blew its engine and on top of that needed about $150 in parts to fix up the rest of it.
I bought the ExMark 30 Commercial the first year of it's release and put on an hour meter. The mower was so fast and strong when new but slow and slippery ever since. I've had to replace a transmission after about every 110 hours of use. The first one or two were covered under warranty. The first trans was the best and every trans since has slipped much more and tightening didn't help as it was as tight as possible. They said they made improvements but all the trans have slipped more. The part number did change. I asked my dealer and he said they lightened the clutch to make it last longer but, I said like a automotive clutch, if you let it slip more, it wears faster so I call B.S. on Toro/ExMark. I tightened the cable so much to make it better it eventually snapped. I retired my mower to personal use after maybe 500 hours. Since new, I've spent at least $2000 on pulleys, spindles, bearings, transmissions, belts, cables, etc. It hasn't made a nice cut the last half of the use (250hrs+). Only the Kawasaki engine has been perfect, otherwise it's a lemon!! Avoid it at all cost! I wish I could sue! Later, I bought the Toro Hydro 21 Aerator brand new, from a different dealer. On every job after about 20mins the aerator slowed down to maybe 1mph. The dealer and rep said they didn't have a clue and because it cooled down by the time they would look at it they did not believe me. I showed a video and they said, huh, we don't know. Fluids were all new and full, and I used Premium Ethanol-free. I fought it for a while and sold it.
I’ve been wanting one of these but refuse to spend a thousand dollars on something literally everyone has problems with. Seems like such a simple concept for a lawn mower manufacturer.
we have been using the toro timemaster for 2nd season already and we just had to change 2 belts recently..also the mower setting handles would give way so it would jump out of position...didn't like that..so its going in the shop tomorrow..but it does cut really nice
I have 2 Exmark 30's, one for 2 seasons and the other 3 seasons. Primary mowers on 25-30 lawns a week w/ no major problems yet. Clogs with wet grass, always got my hands under there, mulches good when dry. Bags great. Ok for the cost, could use a bit stronger trans, maybe a few more HP. But these things do save me A LOT of TIME! I couldn't go back to 21's... No Way!!
ALL-IN-ONE Property Preservation LLC. PA I do agree with you on the time saving, it was hard to go back to the 21" but for me they weren't that reliable. Glad they are working great for you man! 👍
Yep....when talking about the belts, I believe he is specifically talking about the Blade Engagement Belt. We go through them entirely too fast! There isn't much adjustment in them either. When you try to tension them, you can actually create another problem which is the blade brake. After the belt stretches, and you tighten the belt to compensate, the blade brakes don't work correctly, and they either freespin for a long time, or simply wont stop when you disengage the blades. I like the 30 for the speed of cutting when they work correctly, BUT...there will be the belt problems and transmission issues.
thanks for the info! I was thinking about getting a 30 in mower. I currently have the Honda rear wheel but I find it to heavy and can't back up because the rear wheels lock up(don't know if that's normal).
BluepitJess rear wheel lock up is something I’ve experienced with my Honda’s. I’ve had several HRR’s that did it and just bought a used HRX that was doing it. The cause is the pinion gear on the tranny shaft that drives the gear built into the rear drive wheels. The gear is engaged by a spring loaded “key”. When dirt and rust prevent the key from bottoming out in the channel it fits into to make it flush with the tranny shaft, the key “locks” the gear and it won’t click backwards. Also, when a wheel is worn and leaning inward the gear will wear more on one side and begin to slip/lock up. One temporary solution is to take both rear pinions and swap them so the unworn side is used until you can get new ones. They are very cheap and removing, cleaning and replacing the gears is a part of my regular maintenance.
Great video! The 30 inch mowers ruined the market on small Walk Behind mowers. Ferris used to make an amazing hydrostat walk behind that was 32 inches. It cut super nice and was really easy to use with the hydrostatic drive system. It was amazing on hills (both up and down and side to side) and didnt rip up turf when the ground was moist. Then Toro/Exmark came out with this machine at half the price point of the Ferris, they dominated market share and Ferris discontinued the 32 inch walk behind. The Toro Exmark has so many problems and is severely underpowered. Plus... if your replacing these things every season or 2? Forget about it! I used to get at least 4 hard seasons out of my Ferris 32's. Amazing mower and I plead with the reps to bring it back at every trade show. The only alternative in this size mower now is a 32 Wright Stander... great machine but watch out when its wet! Due to all the weight of the machine and operator being on those back tires it rips up grass and trenches when the soil is moist. If you have flat properties without steps, this mower cuts faster than anything! If you have hills or need to go up curbs or steps this mower is a no go. We own 2 of them.
Thanks for the video. I am looking for a 30" or so mower... and the Toro seems to get bad reviews everywhere. I am actually thinking of going with one of the MTD brands like troy-bilt or cub cadet..... they seem to get good reviews. And when the MTD gets better reviews than a name brand......... your doing something wrong Toro.
If you’re gonna use it on y’all grass, don’t buy it. I’m in Texas, use my YBravo 25 on San Augustine, and always have to double cut. Seems to be built like a tank, but start braking down within months.
We own all 3. We have a Toro 30 on the first trailer, the Exmark 30 on the 2nd trailer and keep the Honda in the shop as a backup. The 30s require more maintenance, but they are HUGE time savers. When mowing 40 lawns per day and just a little over half have small back gates, the 30s are life savers. We wouldn't be able to do as many yards in one day without them.
Charlie Beers question... are the mowers in ambros video the “newer” or “older” model? Do you have problems with the Exmark more or the Toro more? I’m thinking of picking up a 30” for the time savings.
He has the old model in the video. The Toro TIMEMASTER with the 223cc engine has good reviews and although mulching quality is not the best, some gator blades to replace them makes it a good choice from what i've read. Much better than the 190cc version and this turfmaster.
I recommend the craftsman pro series 28. Good deck design with less clogging in wet grass. Excellent power, 223cc Briggs & Stratton. Comes with mulch blades but I replaced them with the high lift blades and it will throw grass 3 to 4 feet.
kry sohard I own the troy Bilt 28" for little over a year and WORKS GREAT some times need weight on front but nothing serius that u cant handle pushing the mower slowly
Thanks for the feedback on the 30" mowers. I was thinking of getting one but was always hesitant due to the issues you mentioned. The 2 hondas you referenced in your video are excellent but people should also consider the toro commercial 21" units made from 2014 on. They are excellent baggers and mulchers.
Did you have any problems with the pulleys coming apart on your Exmarks. I had a Toro Timemaster and the pulleys kept coming off and throwing the main belt.
I own a timemaster a turfmaster and an exmark the review you did is perfect. These mowers are really NOT commercial mowers between the belts and transmission and cables they are not good for commercial use. Just because they are heaver does not make them better than the timemaster. I replaced the pulleys with the commercial ones on the timemaster and never had a problem since. The timemaster does need a larger gas tank and a better transmission and it would be perfect for home use. I like the wheel adjustment better on the turfmaster way easier and faster than the ex mark in my opinion. I removed the front engine guards on the two because they serve no point for home use and just add weight and I'm careful on where I go with it. To me a homeowner with the aforementioned things I said on the timemaster it would be perfect for home use. One more thing it takes me less than an 20 minutes to change the belts and about an hour to replace a transmission on them.
Honda needs to bring out a big mower that has enough power
Agreed but when
They used to make them. There’s a 48” walk behind with the gxv390
your channel has helped me so much with my brand new lawn care company! Thank you!!
That's why we sold ours as well!
I hear you my friend
I was happier the day I sold my turf master than I was the day I bought it. Every yard has a hill here and I pushed more than it pulled itself. Cut was good and that was the only good about it. I am looking at getting a Bravo 25 currently have 2 hondas and they are absolutely amazing.
Man thank you for this information I was looking at the 30in
I was going to buy one today but after watching a couple of videos on the problems with them I have changed my mind and am keeping my 21 inch mower thank you so much for saving me money and stress. David M
Northern Kentucky
Glad I can help man!
A lawn care friend of mine gave me an EX mark 26 inch cut, worked fine for two years in my st Augustine grass then all hell broke loose
had to take it to an Ex Mark dealer and spent $327 to fix it. Replace idler pully and belts, plus a new pull starter. The engine is great, a
kiwasaki with oil filter. Thanks for saving me 1800 dollars, I was preparing to buy a 30 inch. A very good video.
Thank you for sharing. Sounds like they need to listen to their consumers and fix their problems.
Thank you, I just saved a bunch of money by watching your video!
This guy is the one and only person with an honest opinion on the exmark. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS MACHINE. YOU WILL REGRET IT FOREVER!!
Ive always wondered about those 30" mowers. Thanks for the insight. I love my Hondas as well. The HRC-216 is a beast and built like a tank. The first HRC-216 I bought 12 years ago and was used commercially for 10 years before I made it a backup mower 2 years ago for cosmetic reasons. I replaced it with another HRC-216.
Got one too they're nice
I’ll sell you mine, 6months old. Too damn heavy and not maneuverable. But it is built like a tank.
WOW ... Almost decided to go with the 30 inch mowers. I'm only looking to do small residential yards. will check out the options mentioned here. TY!
I've sold these in our store for three years. Once I learned to educate my customers on what they were buying I eliminated 99 percent of my complaints. These units are not, nor were they ever meant to be or replace, a wide area walk behind that cost $3,500. I tell every prospective buyer this sentence: 'This mower is for mowing Sister Bertha's nice Saint Agusutine grass but it's not for mowing Sister Bertha's alley behind her house.' Also of note; they hate sandy conditions.
If you are interested in one of these mowers keep the following in mind:
1. They require periodical adjustments. One of which will have to be made within the first two weeks of ownership.
2. They do not do well in high grass. The same engine is on the 21" Commercial Toro. You can't add nine mower inches of cutting swath and think it will have the same power as the 21".
3. They are heavy. This isn't something to put in and out of the back of a pickup truck all day long.
4. Since the blades are timed they are very unforgiving when hitting an object. I tell a customer: 'Hit anything with this and just bring me 200.00 for me to fix it.'
5. I keep hearing about transmission issues but rarely ever see the issue in our store.
6. The cut really clean, mulch really well and bag even better.
7. It is not a poor mans 32" T-Bar Wide Area Walk Behind. It's not even close to the same machine.
Once I communicate this info to the customer I let them make up their own mind whether the mower is for them or not. Great machine when used properly.
Eric Owens thank you. Excellent information.
I’m 14 and my dad taught me well how to fix lawn mowers and tractors
So... Basically, anyone buying an Exmark, which Toro pitches heavily to the pro market, can just forget about using it professionally.
Nice.
47f0 Toro does not pitch 30” as a replacement to the heavy duty wide area walks they sell. Yes the mower can be used professionally and should be but they have a specific purpose. When used outside of that intended purpose.... beware.
@@ericowens964 - Got it. Avoid sand, which according to the soil and water sciences department of the University of Florida, pretty much rules out the state of Florida, avoid tall grass, which rules out cleanups, and quite a few bi-weekly customers, and generally baby the heck out of it..
But it's a professional mower.
Tell you what Eric - Toro needs to stop watering down the professional reputation they're trying to build for their Exmark brand with consumer grade equipment, and Toro / Exmark dealers need to stop letting Toro/Exmark pull that crap instead of covering for them.
This review is SPOT ON !!!! I wish I had never bought my turfmaster... and I do not use it commercially. I just liked the concept of a 30 inch cutting walk behind. YUGE mistake
Joe, I was at the shop about to buy one last week. I figured, I love my toro 22 inch persons pace, and therefore I figured the 30 inch model would be a perfect upgrade. Well, I've heard nothing but bad remarks. The crazy thing is,, I'm still going back and forwards about the mower. Man I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I am taking you all's advise.
@@cedricwebb5576 i have the toro 22 inch personal pace recycler too. Man thats all you need, anything more is a luxury.
Scagg 48 inch walk behind is the best. used 2 of them for 5 years no problems. never replaced the belts. had the Kowoski motors.
The problem I have with them is that when there is virtually any moisture at all in the lawn grass will cake really bad on the top of the under moreso than what I ever experienced with a 20 or 21" and certainly moreso than with my 36" and 48". Also, they made the opening of the mower to the bagger attachment way too small so that you often have to clean it out. There simply is too much grass trying to pass through a small area. I like the 30" because they are nice and help to save time on the smaller lawns that you can't get into with a 36".
Thanks for the video brother, with the season fast approaching ive been very interested in the exmark commercial 30". We run 2 Honda 21" commercial and have NEVER had any maintenance problems at all. im glad to here about the issues before i took that jump, i will definitely hold off on this mower, also with me getting my New walker in august we rarely use the 21'' anymore, just thought having an 30'' in arsonal would be great, Thanks and GREAT video
Thanks, I really appreciate your honesty !!
I've also have several cracked blades on my Toro Timemaster 30. It's important to be very wary of any excessive vibration which could mean one of the blades may be starting to crack from stress. Hairline cracks may be almost invisible to naked eye but will produce considerable vibration when synchro belt is engaged and blades are turning. Once you know your mower, you should be able to detect vibrations if you're paying attention. It think these Toro blades are problematic in their design but they could redesign the blades to increase the elasticity of the carbon steel and reduce brittleness which is contributing to the cracked and broken blades. I'm happy with my Timemaster going on almost 3 years with work in multiple accounts. All cables, pulleys and belts have been replaced. All in all, it's a heavy beast and can do commercial work but be prepared for downtimes for periodic maintenance. Everything can be DIY if you have mechanical ability. But don't put off the essential inspections and regular maintenance. Pay attention to vibrations which means something is out of balance.
I've actually heard of one roadside fatality from a commercial pull-behind rotary mower breaking off one of its blades and hitting a passerby in the head and killing him. Freak accident in that case.
Before watching this I was going to buy a 30" but fuck that I'll stick with 21" snapper thanks the heads up
Lots of problems. For 1k. Crazy
The best and the most straightforward video I've seen on these mowers. I wish I had k own this before I brought this sorry ass exmark
Hope ya have looked into a 36” stand on mowers . Wright , Gravely & John Deere all make great stand on mowers . The fixed decks are cheaper but the floating decks make more sense and can handle the abuse of commercial applications such as jumping over curbs lol .
We used one during our South Texas Coastal properties from Whataburger and our grocery king HEB properties.
We had John Deere and they are built like tanks .
Ive had 4 of them and I love them, if u are doing lawn care full time then u have to expect things like this
Facts
So, what are you going with now that you are loosing the 30 inchers? Thanks
Good video man, its good to get that info out there. I had my Exmarks for 2 years and hated them, the drive system on them really truly sucks. I ended up getting some higher end consumer push mowers and they have been great for me.
I just finished my fourth year with the TurfMaster Mower. I have changed the drive belt once. Everything else seems to be working great. I mulch 80% of the time, works great. The TurfMaster complements my Grasshopper 725D Mower. Sorry that they don't work for you.
In the comments,asked about the YBravo. Their great! Fast two speed tranny bags well and a nice cut behind. Reminds me of the older two speed Hondas that were truly iron dukes! On the YBravo 25" and 21" the Honda accerlator bag (the larger aluminum one) fits! I'm a taller guy and the handles are higher also which is why I chose it over the Honda. The only bad thing is that there's not too many YBravo dealers so parts and service is a pain.
But the Kawasaki engine is the same as toro exmark and gravely so that helps
yes, the 21 inch Honda commercial is the best small walk behind.
Go to your local auto parts store and buy a couple of 12-14 oz spray cans of serpentine (fan belt) conditioner. You'll get an extra year or two out of any belt including your vehicle.
While you're there, grab yourself a one gallon container of Marvels oil. Follow the instructions and add it to your gas and engine oil. And change your oil once a month at a minimum.
Last, never cut sideways on a hill as it tears up the wheel bearings.
My cars, motor cycles and mowers never break down.
Best of luck.
A big part of being in this business is doing your own maintenance especially anything that can be done quite simply
I sold both of mine always was breaking the transmission cable. They were both awesome for about 6 months after that they were junk. These are a bad investment and many people get sucked into buying them. Not to mention a pain to work on.
Thank you very much for your advice👍 ,have been planning to buy the turf master,will stay with my Honda
Thank you for help Same Exact problem with my 30" Exmark, also thinking about a Honda 217...
Can't go wrong with a Honda HRX 217!
@@larrycornelius5737 yes you can
Thanks for the info I was think of getting some.
I bought my exmark 30" winter of 2014. Not for commercial use, but for home. It's a great mower for that. It does clog up under the deck when mowing high wet grass - more than it should. It's an awesome mower for me. I can see if workers beat the snot out of it - it won't take it.
What fuel filter can i use? I just bought mine and i need to do maintenance help please i have an exmark 30” with the kohler command pro
Thank you for this review! I was about to buy one.
I have 3 of them now. If you are good at maintenance they aren't that bad. For me I'd rather have to do maintenance once in a while then spend a extra day cutting grass. What would take 3 with a 21 I do
In 2 days with a 30. And if you do lawn care get 2 of them so you can switch them off every 4 houses given them time to cool down. And you will figure out what the maintenance is as you use it. Change oil regularly use premium fuel always and stabilizer. But if you don't like tinkering once in a while don't get it. I love maintaining my equipment from snow blowers to lawn mowers and my trucks. And from what I understand just get the timemaster avoids commercial machines. You can get 2 timemaster for price of 1 commercial.
I like my residential toro recycler push mower only issue is sticks getting into the drive belt only issue I have with it :/
I am thinking of buying a ferris 15 lawnmower is the lexmark or Toro better I have a very large flat yard I have been using a swardman for years but have trouble finding a dealer to sharpen it
i do small engine repair .. yes there was a recall ..it was a major pain to fix .. there was a factory bolt torque issue as well on the spindles
thank you for sharing. i love the idea of a 30” cutting width but was hesitant to buy toro or exmark. after watching your video i’m definitely not going to buy them. why would honda not make a 30” mower?
Did the HDX model fix all these problems?
just wondering that myself, got a feeling they did fix most of these issues
I can replace the drive belt and the other one that’s on that pulley in 10 minutes. It’s very easy. But, I agree they tend to wear out quickly.
We've got a model#22210 and no major issues just maintenance on belt tensioner as stated on manual and belt changes use only oem toro. Weak trans but good on residential houses, I can see why you got rid of them bc of more commercial accts and design issues. Best of luck from DFW area.
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What did you replace it with?
I have a single blade 30" deck off an old small riding mower (orange, don't know what make) in excellent shape and well built and a basically new 6.75hp briggs ohv. I also have some 12" x 1 1/2" wide wheels (plain plastic bore no bearings). Do you think if I mated the parts together the average person could push it being nonpropelled. Our lawn is mostly flat, many trees, and a large damp area that the grass grows thick and lush twice as fast. We don't mulch or bag. My wife usually cuts about 2 acres with just a 19" push but she would like a bigger mower. PS We have a rider, but she enjoys mowing for exercise. Thanks
thanks I was about to pull the trigger on the emark. I'm going honda
Mike Gipp get another commerical mower 21", the Honda is great only if you use it mostly for bagging. It's a horrible mulcher unless it's dry grass, it's great at mulching leaves in winter though but the weight will cause ruts if you're not careful. Also maneuvering in small areas is annoying and hard, I have a Honda hrc216 and took his video of them for purchase. They're great mowers but the weight is too heavily and the deck will eventually rust unlike aluminum.
Exmark has addressed those issues. I couldn't live without my 30. I have a Honda as well but with 50% smaller deck, I rarely get it on a lawn.
The new Turfmaster HDX has supposedly fixed most of the issues you had.
Belts don't stretch, but they do wear out. Why were these belts wearing out so fast? Maybe a rough surface on one or more pulleys? Maybe an idler pulley with a bad bearing causing it?
For belt replacement, you can use the height adjustment arm as a lever to really get that tension spring opened enough that its not too bad to slip on the belt. i wish I wasnt a expert at those belts. Im selling mine soon also.
What about larger Mark’s like the 36 in Turf Tracer. Do these have same problems as you mention? I’m new to this ballgame.
I have a Toro Turf Master, great machine!
Every machine great when it works until it breaks.
Oh damn I just bought a kohler engine 30 inch exmark. It stalled several times on wet tall grass (my first lawn using the machine).
Hey your videos are great, very helpful. is the commercial honda the most reliable and hassle free 21'' mower in your opinion? Im staring a new mowing business this summer and i have to start small, maybe with the honda mower and a stihl weed eater. It was between the honda and the exmark 30, but im thinking the honda. what are your thoughts?
First year running the exmarks, sped me up a lot from 21s but I have had semi frequent problems. Broke a belt and throttle cable after 4mos. Ill see how it works going into year 2 but I do a lot of residentials with gates and love em for that. They just fit through 99% of gates
Also dont buy the residental version that ones garbage
Thank you so much man
Hey I have a bunch of these 30 ex marks as well. I just payed $ 95.00 for a replacement belt from our dealer here in Canada - Kelowna BC. You nailed it with the few issues of these mowers though. Well said man.
Ah that stinks Jason but I see what you're saying. I just put a new belt on mine every winter before the season. The $20 and the 30-40 min it takes me to put on is just preventative. I put about 90-100 hrs on mine per year so many you go much more crazy with them but luckily I've had zero issues. Another good video man!
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I have the exmark 30, love the machine. Its a beast
Is the just the 30 inch Toro timemaster better then the Toro 30 inch turfmaster commercial mower then? Thinking about a 30 inch timemaster...
Thanks for the video! Great stuff. So... if you just had a really big yard and for exercise reasons wanted a walk behind, but strapped for time what would you get? Thanks!
i have an hrx i love it but if you can find an "HRB215" buy it, it weighs 50lbs and has the poly deck easy to lift when needed, also has the old style heavy duty honda 5hp engine runs forever.
What do you think about the Ybravo 25 inch commercial mower....?
You got ten thumbs down , must of been Toro and Exmark reps ! Maybe they should just fix the problems instead of dogging peoples reviews ! Thanks much for this review ! You have no doubt saved me money and troubles ! Have you looked at the Cub Cadet 33 ? I'm going to look at it and see if I can find some reviews . Thanks again ! Have a great and safe season !
I had issues with what I thought was the belt getting loose. Turned out all I had to do was adjust the tension on the cable above the belts and it's been fine for a year. The Timemaster isn't a fan of wet tall grass even with the side discharge chute in. I keep a putty knife handy. I guess the opening is too small. I'm more concerned with the weight of the thing when mowing ditches. But I still choose to use it instead of weed whacking the entire ditch. If I had room on my trailer, I would have a second one with the discharge hole enlarged for the tall, wet grass.
I lost so much weight running and sweating behind that heavy little mower and throwing it around every 180 degree turn that I am now light enough to stand on a little sulky behind it :D Getting mine off the trailer and only using ride-on mowers/sulkies, or light-weight Honda 21's with plastic decks.
Oh yes i love my HRX217. over here in australia the top mower in the Honda commercial range is the HRU216M2 but its basically the same as the HRX except it has a steel deck, no versamow system, a snorkel, 3 speed tranny instead of infinite and its another 35kg heavier ;D
HRX217 IS THE BEST INVESTMENT ONE CAN MAKE!!!
My honda push mower has a drive shaft
Most of my Hondas had them too from the HR214SX/HRA214SX machines up to my current HR214SX and HRC216HXC. Some find the HRC to be heavy but I don't. I find it a pleasure to work with.
an exmark owner here, all belts have the same issue if you Jam the levers real fast you ware out the belts faster, if you ease the levers and be a little mindful the belts can last a good while. I'm still on my original factory belts 3 years later. don't get me wrong the mowers have their issues, but it has been a damn good mower.
This is why we use the Toro Timemaster. We use low lift blades in wet conditions. Our second unit has been problem free.
Keep It Mowed timemaster is no different.... i been replace belt
We had the Toro 30 Commercial. None of the guys would use them because they was so heavy and the transmissions was so weak.
I use to use the John Deer self propelled 22inch mowers. We loved them But John Deer stopped selling them in the USA
I'm finally getting the honda hrx217hya. I've seen your video on the honda hrx217hya vs the honda hrc216. I'm definitely going for the hrx217hya. thanks for the help buddy
I got my Honda hrx217hya 2 years ago, I couldn't be happier with it, but it's not being used commercially- but did replace an early 90's commercial Snapper model that blew its engine and on top of that needed about $150 in parts to fix up the rest of it.
Damn I have both Honda’s. Was going to get xmark. Thanks so much
I bought the ExMark 30 Commercial the first year of it's release and put on an hour meter. The mower was so fast and strong when new but slow and slippery ever since. I've had to replace a transmission after about every 110 hours of use. The first one or two were covered under warranty. The first trans was the best and every trans since has slipped much more and tightening didn't help as it was as tight as possible. They said they made improvements but all the trans have slipped more. The part number did change. I asked my dealer and he said they lightened the clutch to make it last longer but, I said like a automotive clutch, if you let it slip more, it wears faster so I call B.S. on Toro/ExMark. I tightened the cable so much to make it better it eventually snapped. I retired my mower to personal use after maybe 500 hours. Since new, I've spent at least $2000 on pulleys, spindles, bearings, transmissions, belts, cables, etc. It hasn't made a nice cut the last half of the use (250hrs+). Only the Kawasaki engine has been perfect, otherwise it's a lemon!! Avoid it at all cost! I wish I could sue! Later, I bought the Toro Hydro 21 Aerator brand new, from a different dealer. On every job after about 20mins the aerator slowed down to maybe 1mph. The dealer and rep said they didn't have a clue and because it cooled down by the time they would look at it they did not believe me. I showed a video and they said, huh, we don't know. Fluids were all new and full, and I used Premium Ethanol-free. I fought it for a while and sold it.
I’ve been wanting one of these but refuse to spend a thousand dollars on something literally everyone has problems with. Seems like such a simple concept for a lawn mower manufacturer.
I love my scag 32 walk behind belt drive mower.
Adjusting the height on the scag sux
we have been using the toro timemaster for 2nd season already and we just had to change 2 belts recently..also the mower setting handles would give way so it would jump out of position...didn't like that..so its going in the shop tomorrow..but it does cut really nice
I have 2 Exmark 30's, one for 2 seasons and the other 3 seasons. Primary mowers on 25-30 lawns a week w/ no major problems yet. Clogs with wet grass, always got my hands under there, mulches good when dry. Bags great. Ok for the cost, could use a bit stronger trans, maybe a few more HP. But these things do save me A LOT of TIME! I couldn't go back to 21's... No Way!!
ALL-IN-ONE Property Preservation LLC. PA I do agree with you on the time saving, it was hard to go back to the 21" but for me they weren't that reliable. Glad they are working great for you man! 👍
How do they do in fall/winter with the leafs? Is the vacuuming power strong enough to bag the leafs without double cutting?
Yep....when talking about the belts, I believe he is specifically talking about the Blade Engagement Belt. We go through them entirely too fast! There isn't much adjustment in them either. When you try to tension them, you can actually create another problem which is the blade brake. After the belt stretches, and you tighten the belt to compensate, the blade brakes don't work correctly, and they either freespin for a long time, or simply wont stop when you disengage the blades. I like the 30 for the speed of cutting when they work correctly, BUT...there will be the belt problems and transmission issues.
I bought a 32 in Exmark metro. Great mower. Total commercial mower.
What do you think of the TIMEMASTER (not the surfmaster) for residential use only ?
thanks for the info! I was thinking about getting a 30 in mower. I currently have the Honda rear wheel but I find it to heavy and can't back up because the rear wheels lock up(don't know if that's normal).
BluepitJess rear wheel lock up is something I’ve experienced with my Honda’s. I’ve had several HRR’s that did it and just bought a used HRX that was doing it. The cause is the pinion gear on the tranny shaft that drives the gear built into the rear drive wheels. The gear is engaged by a spring loaded “key”. When dirt and rust prevent the key from bottoming out in the channel it fits into to make it flush with the tranny shaft, the key “locks” the gear and it won’t click backwards.
Also, when a wheel is worn and leaning inward the gear will wear more on one side and begin to slip/lock up. One temporary solution is to take both rear pinions and swap them so the unworn side is used until you can get new ones. They are very cheap and removing, cleaning and replacing the gears is a part of my regular maintenance.
Great video! The 30 inch mowers ruined the market on small Walk Behind mowers. Ferris used to make an amazing hydrostat walk behind that was 32 inches. It cut super nice and was really easy to use with the hydrostatic drive system. It was amazing on hills (both up and down and side to side) and didnt rip up turf when the ground was moist. Then Toro/Exmark came out with this machine at half the price point of the Ferris, they dominated market share and Ferris discontinued the 32 inch walk behind. The Toro Exmark has so many problems and is severely underpowered. Plus... if your replacing these things every season or 2? Forget about it! I used to get at least 4 hard seasons out of my Ferris 32's. Amazing mower and I plead with the reps to bring it back at every trade show.
The only alternative in this size mower now is a 32 Wright Stander... great machine but watch out when its wet! Due to all the weight of the machine and operator being on those back tires it rips up grass and trenches when the soil is moist. If you have flat properties without steps, this mower cuts faster than anything! If you have hills or need to go up curbs or steps this mower is a no go. We own 2 of them.
Christopher Reynolds ....your 100% correct Christopher! Forgot all about that ferris 32" it was a good mower
Thanks for the video. I am looking for a 30" or so mower... and the Toro seems to get bad reviews everywhere. I am actually thinking of going with one of the MTD brands like troy-bilt or cub cadet..... they seem to get good reviews. And when the MTD gets better reviews than a name brand......... your doing something wrong Toro.
are the 25inch ybravo mowers any good
If you’re gonna use it on y’all grass, don’t buy it. I’m in Texas, use my YBravo 25 on San Augustine, and always have to double cut. Seems to be built like a tank, but start braking down within months.
We own all 3. We have a Toro 30 on the first trailer, the Exmark 30 on the 2nd trailer and keep the Honda in the shop as a backup. The 30s require more maintenance, but they are HUGE time savers. When mowing 40 lawns per day and just a little over half have small back gates, the 30s are life savers. We wouldn't be able to do as many yards in one day without them.
Wow. Now that is good info. Yeah, we service hundreds of properties as well...
Charlie Beers question... are the mowers in ambros video the “newer” or “older” model? Do you have problems with the Exmark more or the Toro more? I’m thinking of picking up a 30” for the time savings.
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He has the old model in the video. The Toro TIMEMASTER with the 223cc engine has good reviews and although mulching quality is not the best, some gator blades to replace them makes it a good choice from what i've read. Much better than the 190cc version and this turfmaster.
Charlie Beers 40 lawns for how many workers?
Thanks for the information 👍 I'm staying away from those mowers.
what about the craftsman 28 inch or cub cadet 28inch or troybilt 28inch ever look into those?
I recommend the craftsman pro series 28. Good deck design with less clogging in wet grass. Excellent power, 223cc Briggs & Stratton. Comes with mulch blades but I replaced them with the high lift blades and it will throw grass 3 to 4 feet.
kry sohard I own the troy Bilt 28" for little over a year and WORKS GREAT some times need weight on front but nothing serius that u cant handle pushing the mower slowly
Thanks for the feedback on the 30" mowers. I was thinking of getting one but was always hesitant due to the issues you mentioned. The 2 hondas you referenced in your video are excellent but people should also consider the toro commercial 21" units made from 2014 on. They are excellent baggers and mulchers.
joeraptor1 can you do more 21" commerical mower videos with your mower please? I really like them
Everything is so true about those mowers.
Did you have any problems with the pulleys coming apart on your Exmarks. I had a Toro Timemaster and the pulleys kept coming off and throwing the main belt.
I definitely agree with the mulching problem. I wish it had a larger motor so it could mulch better
I just changed mine. And I'd recommend removing the guards and leaving them unbolted. It cuts your belt changes to 10 minutes
Honda commercial mowers are the best
I own a timemaster a turfmaster and an exmark the review you did is perfect. These mowers are really NOT commercial mowers between the belts and transmission and cables they are not good for commercial use. Just because they are heaver does not make them better than the timemaster. I replaced the pulleys with the commercial ones on the timemaster and never had a problem since. The timemaster does need a larger gas tank and a better transmission and it would be perfect for home use. I like the wheel adjustment better on the turfmaster way easier and faster than the ex mark in my opinion. I removed the front engine guards on the two because they serve no point for home use and just add weight and I'm careful on where I go with it. To me a homeowner with the aforementioned things I said on the timemaster it would be perfect for home use. One more thing it takes me less than an 20 minutes to change the belts and about an hour to replace a transmission on them.
Great info my friend
Mine's a 2016 model. No issues other than an occasional rattling sound when running.
Do you like the HRC MORE than the HRX? It looks like the HRX has more power which is odd to me.
What 30" mower is better?
Both Toro and Exmark have changed things since this video but I would choose the Exmark. Scag also came out with a 30" as well
I have the toro. 4 years. no issues.