I bought a used 30 inch Toro two seasons ago. It's a 2015 and was used commercially before, I've replaced some wear and tear parts but no major issues. I paid $350 from a local dealer, out of all of my mowers, larger Toro walk behind, residential zero turns, and home owner grade 21" mowers, the 30 inch Toro seems to have the best cut and I use it on my personal lawn. My lawn is smaller and has areas where the larger walk behind or even larger zero turn cannot go. I like the personal pace system of the Toro and have never used the commercial version, So I can't comment on that. Only issue I've had is the gas cap leaking some, dealer gave me a brand new one and I still had the same problem. The residential Toro 30 has a Toro brand engine and not a commercial like the Exmark has, but still uses a lot of the same parts. After using mine, I would buy another one brand new next time. Although I plan to rebrand my business in 2022 and step away from the red team for some orange. Honda makes some great engines, and I have an older commercial Honda that needs some new cables in storage. To many projects.
The Honda Does have side discharge capability. You will need to purchase this attachment separately. I found out a year after purchasing mine. Ask your local dealer!
Do you have to bag because of the wet weather in the PNW? If you don't use trailers anymore, do you have to pass on larger cleanup or mulch jobs or do you just use the truck bed for those?
Have the 21 hrc and wright 36 stander .. only use the 21 where the 36 won’t fit behind the back usually because customer has a bunch of crap behind gate
30" will pull you plenty of power in drive train but boggs in high grass kind of weird also extremely heavy I saw a comment about swivel wheels in front def a must in the future
Amen. I bought one and got rid of it after using it for two years. It is way too heavy and killed you back if you try pulling it backwards and when turning around at the end of each row of grass you had cut. Simply way too heavy to not have front caster wheels for easier turning.
The lightweight Honda is great for going around trees and landscape edges. It's horrible for keeping straight lines on a long stripe. I just picked up a Toro 30 Turfmaster HDX (with Kawasaki). Yes, it's heavy but the cut quality and side discharge make up for the shortfalls. The rear discharge Honda windrows the clippings so plan on an extra few gallons of fuel per week to blow the clumps out, and 10 minutes per lawn or more fixing the windrows. I like the Honda as a homeowner, I hate it as a landscaper.
Those 30 inch exmark mowers don't cut well in the wet grass and they clog alot. But the new 30 inch scag mower that just came out I heard they cut very well in wet grass.
What's the actual time savings between 21 and 30? Everyone says faster but have never given example of say 1k or 10k time difference.Have ran my own times but curious on others.
These things are all way too heavy. Sometimes they just have to go in the bed. 100lbs and bulky is a tough sell. Does anyone make a lighter quality pusher that will hold up? I have over 80 accounts but pushers aren’t used all that often, only a few places really. The weight is a problem
That 30 is going to wear you out about the 8th house and up your going to get it done faster but if you stop and take a nice break your going to feel the tierness I don’t care who you are! But I just use my Honda and when it’s dry outside and I don’t have but like 6 or 7 house’s I take the 30 unless I have help!
The 30 inch Exmark is built similar to the 22200, 22210, 22215 and 22225 Toro. Their transmissions are junk compared to almost any other. The motors vibrate loose and the back half part of the frame ends up being ruined and eventuallty needing replacement. You might want to buy two of them to keep one running. It is a poor choice in any avenue. The Honda will keep running long after the Exmark/Toro 30 litterally collapses
@@caseyporter499 hahaha heck no dude. I use a tri-fold ramp. I'm about to get a cargo carrier though so I don't have to set up the ramp all the time and leaves me with more room in the truck bed.
@@davecampbell1452 On a property that is 10,000 sq ft or less. I don't think so buddy. You'd have to be pretty lazy to use a big bulky zero turn on a lot that small. What if it doesn't fit through the gates? The zero turn is faster if you're mowing a 1/2 acre or more. Cut quality is gonna depend on the blades regardless of the mower type.
Not according to the people who actually use them, including me. The Honda hrc216 is probably the best small walk behind that money can buy in terms of all around quality and performance.
Have both of those mowers. Exmark 30 is a beast just have to check rpm to make sure it cutting at full potential.
I bought a used 30 inch Toro two seasons ago. It's a 2015 and was used commercially before, I've replaced some wear and tear parts but no major issues. I paid $350 from a local dealer, out of all of my mowers, larger Toro walk behind, residential zero turns, and home owner grade 21" mowers, the 30 inch Toro seems to have the best cut and I use it on my personal lawn. My lawn is smaller and has areas where the larger walk behind or even larger zero turn cannot go. I like the personal pace system of the Toro and have never used the commercial version, So I can't comment on that.
Only issue I've had is the gas cap leaking some, dealer gave me a brand new one and I still had the same problem. The residential Toro 30 has a Toro brand engine and not a commercial like the Exmark has, but still uses a lot of the same parts. After using mine, I would buy another one brand new next time. Although I plan to rebrand my business in 2022 and step away from the red team for some orange. Honda makes some great engines, and I have an older commercial Honda that needs some new cables in storage. To many projects.
Shoutout to Lee. Incredible presentation skills. Solid overview.
run both of these mowers! both are incredible mowers! honda should make a 30"!!!!
If Honda made a 30 HDX It'd be the biggest GAME CHANGER in the industry and would sell millions
Is that Exmark the older one or the newer one with the bigger transmission?
The Honda Does have side discharge capability. You will need to purchase this attachment separately. I found out a year after purchasing mine. Ask your local dealer!
I have this mower for use at home. The side discharge attachment goes in place of the bag and discharges to the side.
Do you have to bag because of the wet weather in the PNW? If you don't use trailers anymore, do you have to pass on larger cleanup or mulch jobs or do you just use the truck bed for those?
Thank you for this information 😎
Have the 21 hrc and wright 36 stander .. only use the 21 where the 36 won’t fit behind the back usually because customer has a bunch of crap behind gate
Great review Lee!
30" will pull you plenty of power in drive train but boggs in high grass kind of weird also extremely heavy I saw a comment about swivel wheels in front def a must in the future
I had the same exmark 30, it would be better if it had caster wheels in the front. I was beat after using it. Good video.
Amen. I bought one and got rid of it after using it for two years. It is way too heavy and killed you back if you try pulling it backwards and when turning around at the end of each row of grass you had cut. Simply way too heavy to not have front caster wheels for easier turning.
@@harolddenton6031 I agree with the exmark being too heavy. You can cut more grass but it will kick your ass. I couldn't wait to get rid of mine.
I would use a 32 stand on . if i had a choice , need to upgrade your cargo carrier.
Great video! What size properties are you sticking with when using the 30 in mower? 10,000 sqft or less?
For the majority of jobs, yes... although we do some that are significantly larger
For that much money. Might as well get the Ferris fw15
The lightweight Honda is great for going around trees and landscape edges. It's horrible for keeping straight lines on a long stripe. I just picked up a Toro 30 Turfmaster HDX (with Kawasaki). Yes, it's heavy but the cut quality and side discharge make up for the shortfalls. The rear discharge Honda windrows the clippings so plan on an extra few gallons of fuel per week to blow the clumps out, and 10 minutes per lawn or more fixing the windrows. I like the Honda as a homeowner, I hate it as a landscaper.
The 30 inch exmark doesnt mulch the clippings?!?
Great video. Fantastic team!!
It does 👍🏻
I pefer 21 inch because they fit in smaller spaces and reduce whipping I use a husqvarna
Those 30 inch exmark mowers don't cut well in the wet grass and they clog alot. But the new 30 inch scag mower that just came out I heard they cut very well in wet grass.
I heard that too. Still waiting for at least an 80v electric battery walk behind.
@@jhq9064boy hell nah 😂
Did you hear this from a Scag dealer or a lawn care pro?
Just bought a clean TurfMaster 30 for $50! Lol let's GO 2023
I do like some of your points but the Honda is far from a light mower. I personally own one.
What's the actual time savings between 21 and 30? Everyone says faster but have never given example of say 1k or 10k time difference.Have ran my own times but curious on others.
40%
According to Toro and their test standards
Trust me, the 30 is way faster. Once you switch it will change your game.
Ok so once again no actual numbers. What are your numbers?
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These things are all way too heavy. Sometimes they just have to go in the bed. 100lbs and bulky is a tough sell. Does anyone make a lighter quality pusher that will hold up? I have over 80 accounts but pushers aren’t used all that often, only a few places really. The weight is a problem
Agreed!
The HRX217 is much lighter
That 30 is going to wear you out about the 8th house and up your going to get it done faster but if you stop and take a nice break your going to feel the tierness I don’t care who you are! But I just use my Honda and when it’s dry outside and I don’t have but like 6 or 7 house’s I take the 30 unless I have help!
So true I hate those 30 x marks heavy as heck, they don't turn worth a crap.
The 30 inch Exmark is built similar to the 22200, 22210, 22215 and 22225 Toro. Their transmissions are junk compared to almost any other. The motors vibrate loose and the back half part of the frame ends up being ruined and eventuallty needing replacement. You might want to buy two of them to keep one running. It is a poor choice in any avenue. The Honda will keep running long after the Exmark/Toro 30 litterally collapses
Agree!! My honda commercial don't get clogged in wet grass, compare to tore/exmark, they get clogged mid strip
I’d rather buy 4 of the Hondas than the toro 30.
Nah man, one man putting it in the back of a truck? It’s 130 lbs. bad for workers
Using Ramp Rack or cargo carrier ✅
@@MikeAndes makes sense! Seen too many guys trying to heave them in the truck bed
@@MikeAndes what do you think about Segway hover board blowing/weedeating?
@@caseyporter499 hahaha heck no dude. I use a tri-fold ramp. I'm about to get a cargo carrier though so I don't have to set up the ramp all the time and leaves me with more room in the truck bed.
Debating a 30
No way a 30 inch will cut as good as a zero turn or as fast
You'd be surprised. You obviously have never used one when you made this comment
@@brickgoon no way it can do the same speed thats a fact or cut as good
@@davecampbell1452 On a property that is 10,000 sq ft or less. I don't think so buddy. You'd have to be pretty lazy to use a big bulky zero turn on a lot that small. What if it doesn't fit through the gates? The zero turn is faster if you're mowing a 1/2 acre or more. Cut quality is gonna depend on the blades regardless of the mower type.
Mine cuts incredible
The Honda is a piece of crap
Not according to the people who actually use them, including me. The Honda hrc216 is probably the best small walk behind that money can buy in terms of all around quality and performance.