I was genuinely depressed by the ending to Theros... The fact that Elspeth, after enduring so much, is murdered, and bleeds out and dies alone. She even tried to give her life for Daxos's, but Erebos denied her even that, by sending him back as a Returned, endlessly searching for her. The fact that she never gets to be happy, really gets me. It's even worse that she gets SO close, to being at peace, with Daxos on Theros. I guess it fits with the whole Greek Tragedy theme... RIP Elspeth and Daxos ;-;
Darth Fall that isn't a characteristic of white, its actually a characteristic of black. Of course personalities aren't strictly tied to the color wheel the way types of magic are, if they were storytelling would be boring.
Urbarask Praetor It's that murky grey area where two opposing colors have a similarity. Black is prideful as a result of only caring about themselves. White pride, however, stems from their belief that *they* are right and just about anything, and anyone who dissents in a problem. Look at Bant! It had no Black mana, but everyone was still dedicated to winning more glory.
This is the only version of the Journey into Nyx trailer that has the parts with the events on Mirrodin in it, Karn and Elesh fade in and out and Koth fades in and out and Elspeth's mask. I don't know why they took those parts out
+Christian Munso Because at the time of the unveilig of the trailers, the set hadn't been released yet. Therefor nobody knew the lore of the new set either. The parts where Karn, Koth and the others fade in and out would have spoiled the story of the set.
Oh ok, thanks, I was wondering why they didn't keep those parts in, they make the trailer have more impact but yea I can see why they took them out now, thanks :D
When the dead come to the underworld in Theros, they are given the chance to return to the world of the living if they put on a golden mask, but doing so makes them loose most of their memories. That mask is for Elspeth (the "eyes" being shaped after the hilt of Godsend), and now her choice is whether or not she will wear it.
Actually when the dead puts the mask they lose their soul and memories (those become beings like ghosts) and then they can come out of Erebos dominion with a zombie body and the golden mask but without memories of their past selfs. It happened to Daxos after hin died by Xenagos manipulation of Elspeth. After Daxos left the underworld he (zombie) started to look out for his eidolon (basicaly his soul with memories that got splited after he became a zombie ) it is implied that if the zombie finds the eidolon they can ressurect and return to their former selfs.
He is literally the commander of my favorite deck. Many "stronger" black legendaries have come and they all fall in the 99 under Erebos. P.S. I'm talking about the God of the Dead and not the Bleak Hearted. hahahah
I prefer Kruphix. In lore he was practically the older of all the gods and even was able to limit all his brothers precense in the mortal world. He also was the only one who discovered the existence of other planes.
you know, for as much effort is put into the new cinematic trailers and how, they really really really look awesome, but I do like the style of these old ones too where you could literally tell "oh there is this card, oh that looks epic, I'd love to play that in particular" and it just kind of gave you a better immersion into the game you could hold the actual thing in hand :D Both ways of doing trailers are great imo :)
First Venser and now her too?!Elspeth was one of my favorite planeswalkers. As much as I'd like to see a returned or undead Elspeth, I don't think it'll happen. Heliod done goofed. I want vengeance! I need closure! Down with the gods!
It is proven that if Mark Rosewater likes a planeswalker they will die. First Venser and now Elspeth, we just need one more to confirm the story department has a vendetta against him.
Or, since Heliod has something like zero devotion from the people, and Elspeth has the adoration of millions, if not billions, she might ascend into godhood and replace Heliod entirely.
Azraelean But Elspeth's biggest champion was the woman writing the novels for this block. She loves her. I could be wrong but I'm not sure Rosewater's opinion on Elspeth was positive or negative.
You know what would be dope? Now that Elspeth is free from all mortal constraints holding her back, and now that Erebos has seen into Elspeth's mind and all of the horror that is phyrexia, it would be cool to see an Elspeth lead Theros's defense against invading phyrexians. Like someone as deadset on her goal (defeating phyrexia) as Elesh Norn would be leading masses of warriors against eachother. That would be pretty dope to see.
Seeing as Elspeth's return as been confirmed, and how Phyrexia has only been hinted at in the past couple of years, we might actually see the return of both soon. Don't know if they're going to be related though, but I dig that theory
2019 and still think this was one of the best storylines in Magic of the past 5-6 years. Hope they return with elspeth as a mais storyline hero and with Xenagos (maybe with nyx body parts) as a villain, and stop the gatewatch non sense.
Ajani makes a big deal that the gods of Theros came into being because people believed in them. I think after she destroyed Xenagos and saved all of Nyx, rumors of her ascension may be enough to bring her back. We just need to get someone to go between the pillars with Heliod so she can take his seat.
Sadly for Ajani, he's only half-right. They're powered up by faith and belief, but Kruphix outright says they came into being due to concepts, rather than belief (e.g. Erebos came into being when the first thing died, Kruphix when the first being asked 'why' etc.).
@@MrRed424 Unsure. All we know of Heliod is that he was once human and likely the Planeswalker Heliud. But as Kruphix confirms, Theros can retroactively alter history based on legends, so even though he basically did what Xenagos did, the planes history was altered so he really did banish Erebos to the underworld at the dawn of time etc.
Except the fans, who don't want to see Elspeth as a mindless pawn to the Zombie god. I could, however, see Erebos offering Elspeth a deal, something along the lines of "How would you like to destroy the traitorous sun god and get your life back? Yes, you say? Here's what you have to do..........." While I really wouldn't trust Erebos completely, he's nicer than Heliod at this point. And although Heliod IS a prick, his existence serves a purpose, unlike Xenagos.
Out of the entire video only the last part can be considered as some sort of a spoiler. Karn, Koth, Elesh are just the past of what Elspeth has gone through. I wonder how long, if, we will see resurection of Elspeth and what form will that take. Theros overall a great block and Wizards done a good job with storyline. However, after all the blocks we had in last couple of years, I wonder when will we return to Dominaria. Next block won't be that but it would be about time
I don't think that's the case. Erebos went and claimed his prize. Despite there being returned on theros, I don't think we're going to see a zombie Elspeth. Thinking back on what he said, he mentioned how a hero never truly dies, that her spirit lives on. The hilt of her weapon glows at the end so I think that, while she herself may be dead, in the future we'll see enchantments pertaining to her memory, we'll see some lore about her spirit living on in others. I never liked Elspeth a whole lot, but god damn do I feel bad for her.
I really hope we don't. While it would make sense, her entire character was about purity and peace, its all she wanted in life. I might be too sentimental, but I'd really hate to see her become that which she hates most. Her heart was broken when Bant was taken over. Then she had to fight the phyrexians again, her childhood demons, and now this shit. I hope she gets her eternal rest. (I am such a fucking nerd when it comes to mtg lore)
Those are Elspeth's memories of her enemies on New Phyrexia. Karn technically isn't evil anymore, but he was at the time. The other is Elsh Norn (sorry if I butchered the spelling) and she is the leader of the machine orthodoxy of Phyrexia.
And if you had payed attention to my last comment, you might actually know what I'm saying. Instead, you're repeating what's been said. But please, inform of the "many" ways there are to kill immortal gods, please...
Well, at least we can take comfort in the fact that Erebos will treat Elspeth better than Heliod ever did for however long she'll stay in the Underworld.
It amuses me that people are daft enough to think the appearance of Koth and Daxos are signs of Phyrexia coming to Theros or other crack-pot theories. Use your brains and put it in the context of the narrative: "When did you discover that the journey was not a lonely road"? Koth was an ally on Mirrodin/New Phyrexia and thus she was not alone. Daxos was very involved with her on Theros. The shortsightedness of people is baffling.
the end is when elspeth kills xenagos (the flash of light) and that caused her 'death' as well. the end of the 'watcher' hallway is the broken "Godsend" sitting before elspeths mask, and it lighting up is probably her being resurected via a god to do his will this time.
Last I knew, In RTR, Gideon Jura was in Ravnica looking for ways to combat the Eldrazi, and Kiora happens to have come from Zendikar, where the Eldrazi were recently let loose. Am I the only one predicting either another set in Zendikar, or one featuring the Eldrazi assaulting a new plane in the next couple years?
***** could be. But it is a sad story abort Elspeth. But it will keep me interested, what happens next. My bet is that Elspeth will return. But as pawn of Erobos. Then later in the Block she will be released, maybe by Ajani, and take her revenge on Heliod and Erobos!!!
Gabriel Xiong In playability its gotta be keranos, love me that blue red control. However in lore it's tough. I love pourphorous, for his boundless creativity and rage. However in the journey into nyx trailer Erebos gives me chills, and he is probably the only god I would hazard to call a good guy in the whole bunch.
099Nitro The praetors are only pieces on the Grand Evolution they can be recycled after they are destroyed. But in the end everyone submits under the power of the oil.
The last part really got me thinking, and i have a theory: Elspeth slew Xenagos, so he's probably in the underworld, and then Heliod kills Elspeth, so she's in the underworld. My guess is that they fight or something like that in the underworld, which would make a good storyline for a duel deck (as you know duel decks in the spring have a format of planeswalker vs. planeswalker from the last block and are somehow part of the story line. Take Jace vs. Vraska for example. In Jace vs Vraska, Vraska "tests" Jace or something like that since he recently became guildpact). The outcome would probably be that Elspeth permanently kills Xenagos (where ya gonna go after the underworld?) and Erebos takes Xenagos' spark (his "prize"). Erebos probably kills Heliod with his power from the spark, and makes himself the center of the Theros pantheon. Now like most black planeswalkers (except Bolas of course), they may seem really evil at first, but if you read their lore, they are acually trying to protect others (Sorin, even though he really didn't seem evil as much) or redeem themselves (liliana). I'm gonna guess that Erebos devised this plan to protect his plane from evil, like the phyrexians or Bolas. Tell me what you think.
At 3:14 we get a glimpse of Hero's Downfall. For what the card itself portrays, the fact that the soldier just gets walked over is pretty anticlimactic.
Has anyone noticed that Heliod has two very familiar looking horns on his head? Let's put on our thinking caps and remember who would want a powerful planeswalker like Elspeth dead, and would be able to manipulate a god into doing so.
I don't think Heliod knew about planeswalkers before Elspeth and Xenagos, so meeting a non-Theros dragon would have been suspicious for him. Although it would be cool if Bolas had been manipulating him without Heliod knowing about it (especially because it's so easy). I just don't take the horns as a sign. I believe it's just made to look like a stag. See the similarity in Heliod's Emissary's.
Do you mean Nicol Bolas? YAY i won! Gimme a cookie! Nah, i don't think so. I think they're taking a break from Nicol Bolas, since he's been in what, 3 blocks now?
That leads me to believe that the end block of the 7 (Or 6, I forget) year plan will be about him. He has been referenced in several blocks since innastrad.
+Ben Peterson Sincere and Really Alluring Voice: 3 cost instant spell: Tap all target opponent's nonland permanents, they do not untap during their next untap step.
I really just wish we got to see more of the Underworld in the cards. Other than that, wonder what's gonna happen to Elspeth from here on out? White/Black Returned Elspeth Planeswalker card?
So... after reading the books and some more of the lore I understand that if you "die" and go to the underworld your technically not dead, since Pharika grants eternal sleep not Erebos, my question would be who kept Elspeth's spark her body or eidolon?
"When does a hero's journey begin? The moment you step outside the safety of your home? Or when you realize the fight has just begun? Is it when you comprehend how small you are, compared to the vastness of what threatens to destroy you?" 4:29 "The Gitaxians whisper among themselves of other worlds. If they exist, we must bring Phyrexia’s magnificence to them." -Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Is it just me, or is Elesh Norn coming to Theros in a few blocks?
ThaFacialHair better would be against erebos, as xenagos was attempting to steal erebos's place among the pantheon, look where he is now. Afterall, no one can stop death.
+Urbarask Praetor I want to see Erebos and his new prize (B/W Elspeth) take down Heliod or at least make him look like the lil bastard he truly is in combat. Ohhh man I would be so ecstatic if that happened on our next visit to theros. Then Erebos lets Elspeth go free but if he needs her for some reason, then she must return.(whether if she wants to or not)
Jacob Dominguez Erebos gives up nothing, ever, for anyone. That's his whole character. The whole point of the returned is that by covering up your face, your identity in life, the flesh can return to "life", but the spirit never can. Erebos will never let go of a single dead soul. Also Erebos has tried to take down Heliod before, everytime he does Heliod picks the strongest person on Theros makes them his champion, and they die in the process of stopping Erebos, Pourphoros, Mogis, whomever Heliod wants stopped that day. But I agree seeing the god's get their comeuppance would be great. I mean Thassa already got her ass whupped.
masterdmcx Tinus Potgieter That's Karn, in reference to the crap that happened on Dominaria with the Phyrexians. It has nothing to do with the next set, it's about Elspeth's past.
Something's different about the journey into nyx trailer. Yeah. There are Phyrexians in it. Oh yeah. That's right. She's from Mirrodin, now known as New Phyrexia. With her gone, well, what happens to them?
So im a new magic player, like 20 minutes ago I ordered the m14 deck builder toolkit. Witch is my very frist set. So is this video a preview of all the sets
I find it funny that nobody has said this, but when they return to theros (because it was a huge success), they are probably going to make a new Ajani Vengeant, and maybe they are gonna bring back Koth, and the two of them are gonna go kill Heliod
I wish. Ajani Vengeant was made special for his vendetta against Nicol Bolas, over the death of his brother. But yes, God I want to see a Red-White planeswalker
I don't really feel like the "Vengeant" aspect of Ajani applies to his character anymore. I mean yes he was that way in Alara, but that was during his youthful years when he wasn't as wise. I personally would rather him become angry with Heliod but stay fully white or white/green.
Since Death in Theros doesn't really mean the end and with the card Reviving Melody proving the dead can come back not as a returned, Elspeth might come back. Knowing Heliod cast Erebos into the underworld, Erebos would hold a grudge and Elspeth is a god slayer, might Erebos use her to slay Heliod in a return block?
I'm pretty sure it was referring to Elspeths past when she, Venser, and Koth were fighting the Phyrexians on Mirridon(New Phyrexia). It was just recollecting her past, just as it showed her in Bant on the plane of Alara as well.
If you rewatch the KoT trailer, with the knowledge of what happened during FRF, you'll notice that the KoT trailer is actually more of the FRF trailer than of the KoT trailer
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Guess who's back.
Back again.
Theros back.
Tell a friend.
So Heliod portrays the Gods as childish superpowered
jerks and then says :" And I am Heliod, the GREATEST of these !"
Subtle foreshadowing FTW :D
He was made after Zeus after all :D
Did anybody else catch the "Or do they" whispered after "True heroes never die"?
Chills
yep, 7 year foreshadowing elspeths return after breaking lout from the underworld.
@@alexandersepa3037 And then killed again 2 appearances later...
I was genuinely depressed by the ending to Theros...
The fact that Elspeth, after enduring so much, is murdered, and bleeds out and dies alone. She even tried to give her life for Daxos's, but Erebos denied her even that, by sending him back as a Returned, endlessly searching for her.
The fact that she never gets to be happy, really gets me. It's even worse that she gets SO close, to being at peace, with Daxos on Theros.
I guess it fits with the whole Greek Tragedy theme...
RIP Elspeth and Daxos ;-;
EREBOS IS THE BOSS IKR!
Your prayers might be heard . Spoilers say that tey will be a new theros block "Thros after death"
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE
Ojutai well despair no longer she might get her ending we want
Yeah there might be a future for elspeth after all
Heliod- "And I am Heliod, the greatest of these(gods)". I guess this explains why he is used in every standard constructed deck, oh wait.
One of White's major flawys is pride. They always believe they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Darth Fall that isn't a characteristic of white, its actually a characteristic of black. Of course personalities aren't strictly tied to the color wheel the way types of magic are, if they were storytelling would be boring.
Urbarask Praetor It's that murky grey area where two opposing colors have a similarity. Black is prideful as a result of only caring about themselves. White pride, however, stems from their belief that *they* are right and just about anything, and anyone who dissents in a problem. Look at Bant! It had no Black mana, but everyone was still dedicated to winning more glory.
No, Heliod means pussy, he is greatest pussy of these gods
Athreos rules.
This is the only version of the Journey into Nyx trailer that has the parts with the events on Mirrodin in it, Karn and Elesh fade in and out and Koth fades in and out and Elspeth's mask. I don't know why they took those parts out
+Christian Munso Because at the time of the unveilig of the trailers, the set hadn't been released yet. Therefor nobody knew the lore of the new set either. The parts where Karn, Koth and the others fade in and out would have spoiled the story of the set.
Oh ok, thanks, I was wondering why they didn't keep those parts in, they make the trailer have more impact but yea I can see why they took them out now, thanks :D
but what is the point of those fading images of Mirrodin? and that mask at the end? can somebody tell me?
When the dead come to the underworld in Theros, they are given the chance to return to the world of the living if they put on a golden mask, but doing so makes them loose most of their memories. That mask is for Elspeth (the "eyes" being shaped after the hilt of Godsend), and now her choice is whether or not she will wear it.
Actually when the dead puts the mask they lose their soul and memories (those become beings like ghosts) and then they can come out of Erebos dominion with a zombie body and the golden mask but without memories of their past selfs. It happened to Daxos after hin died by Xenagos manipulation of Elspeth. After Daxos left the underworld he (zombie) started to look out for his eidolon (basicaly his soul with memories that got splited after he became a zombie ) it is implied that if the zombie finds the eidolon they can ressurect and return to their former selfs.
Does anyone else think that erebos is the coolest of the gods after watching these trailers?
I would but Keranos and Purphoros beat him for me
No, I still like Kruphix
Out of all the black centered characters in MTG, Erebos is the most merciful out of all of them.
He is literally the commander of my favorite deck. Many "stronger" black legendaries have come and they all fall in the 99 under Erebos.
P.S. I'm talking about the God of the Dead and not the Bleak Hearted. hahahah
I prefer Kruphix. In lore he was practically the older of all the gods and even was able to limit all his brothers precense in the mortal world. He also was the only one who discovered the existence of other planes.
you know, for as much effort is put into the new cinematic trailers and how, they really really really look awesome, but I do like the style of these old ones too where you could literally tell "oh there is this card, oh that looks epic, I'd love to play that in particular" and it just kind of gave you a better immersion into the game you could hold the actual thing in hand :D
Both ways of doing trailers are great imo :)
if we ever return to theros i will cry for joy :( :)
yes!
Happy now?
Wish granted
Well well, looks like you're about to cry, and so am I
I miss these trailers so much, using the actual card art gave them such a charm that the completely cgi ones lack
This is the the best mtg trailer in my opinion
Poor Elspeth, poor Ajani. :c
First Venser and now her too?!Elspeth was one of my favorite planeswalkers. As much as I'd like to see a returned or undead Elspeth, I don't think it'll happen. Heliod done goofed. I want vengeance! I need closure! Down with the gods!
It is proven that if Mark Rosewater likes a planeswalker they will die. First Venser and now Elspeth, we just need one more to confirm the story department has a vendetta against him.
We need Phyrexian Venser. If Zombie Elspeth is going to be a thing, we need Phyrexian Venser.
Whiteis gotta pay
Or, since Heliod has something like zero devotion from the people, and Elspeth has the adoration of millions, if not billions, she might ascend into godhood and replace Heliod entirely.
Azraelean But Elspeth's biggest champion was the woman writing the novels for this block. She loves her. I could be wrong but I'm not sure Rosewater's opinion on Elspeth was positive or negative.
Still holding out for Elspeth, God of Heroes in Theros 2.
Sorry, you get:
*Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis*
That would have been so sick
And then maybe an Ajani, Champion of Heros in Theros 3
You know what would be dope? Now that Elspeth is free from all mortal constraints holding her back, and now that Erebos has seen into Elspeth's mind and all of the horror that is phyrexia, it would be cool to see an Elspeth lead Theros's defense against invading phyrexians. Like someone as deadset on her goal (defeating phyrexia) as Elesh Norn would be leading masses of warriors against eachother. That would be pretty dope to see.
Seeing as Elspeth's return as been confirmed, and how Phyrexia has only been hinted at in the past couple of years, we might actually see the return of both soon.
Don't know if they're going to be related though, but I dig that theory
Welp, you might just be a psychic, because 8 years later that prediction was spot on
@@Kizzun I knew it, WOTC is watching my comments!
dude, having called this 8 years ago is crazy
I'd love to know the names of the voice actors, they all are absolutely amazing!
You never know what you had until it's gone . RIP Elspeth : (
It's nice when characters actually get voices. Now I don't have to make them up.
2019 and still think this was one of the best storylines in Magic of the past 5-6 years.
Hope they return with elspeth as a mais storyline hero and with Xenagos (maybe with nyx body parts) as a villain, and stop the gatewatch non sense.
When Theroes comes back one day, we got a black white planeswalker incoming.
Theros beyond death
The Sun's Nemesis is looming, but she didn't end up being black.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is back
Well yes but actually no
I miss these kinds of magic trailers. They're too cinematic now in my opinion
Wizards is still yet to top these with anything they've put out
Truly the best, and it's just some commercials
mtg lore is great
a new Innistrad block? the crown thing at the end seemed like that shape around her face
These animations have gotten so good over the years. I cannot wait for the movies.
Truly Epic. WOTC is setting us up for something huge here. The music for the JOU trailer sends chills down my spine, and I don't know what to expect.
Now i can see Heliod's megalomania lile "my world" "the greatest" "steal it from me". And peaceful confort of Erebos.
Man, Xenagos was awesome, I think I'll buy his card just for his voice and lore.
THEROS IS A BEAUTIFUL GEM💎 AMONG MANY OTHER AWESOME MAGIC SETS. A MASTERPIECE 🤩 NEVER GETTING TIRED PLAYING/DRAFTING IT!!!😊
Is 'Theros' a fancy combination of The+Heroes?
It's the Greek word for summer.
White Planeswalker body count:
Venser
Elspeth
Gideon
If they dare to kill the Cat Man, I will riot
Phyrexia is returning and they did a makeover to tamiyo... nothing is safe now
Ajani makes a big deal that the gods of Theros came into being because people believed in them. I think after she destroyed Xenagos and saved all of Nyx, rumors of her ascension may be enough to bring her back. We just need to get someone to go between the pillars with Heliod so she can take his seat.
Monowhite Elspeth Goddes of Justice? That would be awesome, but I think she is going to become a Returned.
years later, we finally got like a confirmation that she returns by an artwork, her new masterpiece
Sadly for Ajani, he's only half-right. They're powered up by faith and belief, but Kruphix outright says they came into being due to concepts, rather than belief (e.g. Erebos came into being when the first thing died, Kruphix when the first being asked 'why' etc.).
@@GoldenSunAlex so Heliod came into being when someone said that is called the sun?
@@MrRed424 Unsure. All we know of Heliod is that he was once human and likely the Planeswalker Heliud.
But as Kruphix confirms, Theros can retroactively alter history based on legends, so even though he basically did what Xenagos did, the planes history was altered so he really did banish Erebos to the underworld at the dawn of time etc.
we return to theros in a few years. Erebos and uses elspeth to get back at heliod and destroys that bastard. everyone goes home happy.
Except the fans, who don't want to see Elspeth as a mindless pawn to the Zombie god. I could, however, see Erebos offering Elspeth a deal, something along the lines of "How would you like to destroy the traitorous sun god and get your life back? Yes, you say? Here's what you have to do..........." While I really wouldn't trust Erebos completely, he's nicer than Heliod at this point. And although Heliod IS a prick, his existence serves a purpose, unlike Xenagos.
The Archive of Ruin Being nicer than Heliod is like not eating babies twice a day.
Joke's on you, I eat babies only once a day. More than that gives me indigestion.
Planned to make Heliod EDH - Read Godsend - Sold all copies of heliod.
Out of the entire video only the last part can be considered as some sort of a spoiler. Karn, Koth, Elesh are just the past of what Elspeth has gone through. I wonder how long, if, we will see resurection of Elspeth and what form will that take. Theros overall a great block and Wizards done a good job with storyline. However, after all the blocks we had in last couple of years, I wonder when will we return to Dominaria. Next block won't be that but it would be about time
So after seeing that ending... Should we expect a zombie Elspeth? Champion of Erebos/Death?
I would certainly hope so, that would be badass. Not to mention it would give her a chance for revenge against Heliod.
I don't think that's the case. Erebos went and claimed his prize. Despite there being returned on theros, I don't think we're going to see a zombie Elspeth. Thinking back on what he said, he mentioned how a hero never truly dies, that her spirit lives on. The hilt of her weapon glows at the end so I think that, while she herself may be dead, in the future we'll see enchantments pertaining to her memory, we'll see some lore about her spirit living on in others. I never liked Elspeth a whole lot, but god damn do I feel bad for her.
elspeth the returned, another black white planeswalker
I really hope we don't. While it would make sense, her entire character was about purity and peace, its all she wanted in life. I might be too sentimental, but I'd really hate to see her become that which she hates most. Her heart was broken when Bant was taken over. Then she had to fight the phyrexians again, her childhood demons, and now this shit. I hope she gets her eternal rest.
(I am such a fucking nerd when it comes to mtg lore)
I doubt that. But I believe that she is gonna be relevant again at some point in the magic story. They did not want to get rid of her completely.
Three things.
1) additional scene at 4:26
2) additional scene at 4:40
3) additional scene at the end
Also, Ajani's appearance at 5:27.
With war of the spark coming, I'm seeing Bolas's horns everywhere. Here, in Xenagos's horns.
someone can explain me the images of the minute 4:27? please
That is Karn after being corrupted by the Phyrexians, and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite.
Those are Elspeth's memories of her enemies on New Phyrexia. Karn technically isn't evil anymore, but he was at the time. The other is Elsh Norn (sorry if I butchered the spelling) and she is the leader of the machine orthodoxy of Phyrexia.
So Theros speaking is Heliod, Born of the Gods is Xenagos, and Journey into Nyx is...? (Athreos???)
Heliod, God of the "sunbody better kill elspeth or I'll do it myself!"
And remember, Theros fans, this is Theros, so a W/B Elspeth the Returned is NOT out of the question for the future.
I keep expecting Arthas theme to begin playing midway in the first video..."For one day, you will be king..."
Still getting chills whem watching this. SO fucking awesome. Hope we'll return to Theros some day :)
Hello there
I love this block.
The real reason you came to this video: 3:54
You’re welcome.
Spoiler alert:
Elspeth is back. Escape Your Fate. Theros Beyond Death, Jan 2020
We need to have a return to Theros block in about 5 years or so. And have it end with the death of Heliod and Erebos
So basically God of War?
I don't think you quite get that the gods are just slightly too immortal for that...
Alex Hutt Tell that to Xenagos. Oh wait...!
Alex Hutt I can think of many ways to kill the gods, hell, Heliod provided us with the very weapon to kill them.
And if you had payed attention to my last comment, you might actually know what I'm saying. Instead, you're repeating what's been said. But please, inform of the "many" ways there are to kill immortal gods, please...
Well, at least we can take comfort in the fact that Erebos will treat Elspeth better than Heliod ever did for however long she'll stay in the Underworld.
We need a return to Theros.
You got it
The trailer for return to theros: underworld is already here.
Man, the background music/sounds on that final part were amazing. I wounder if wizards would ever post them?
So much epicness.
elesh norn, karn, and koth showing up makes journey into nyx trailer so much better.
It amuses me that people are daft enough to think the appearance of Koth and Daxos are signs of Phyrexia coming to Theros or other crack-pot theories. Use your brains and put it in the context of the narrative: "When did you discover that the journey was not a lonely road"? Koth was an ally on Mirrodin/New Phyrexia and thus she was not alone. Daxos was very involved with her on Theros. The shortsightedness of people is baffling.
the end is when elspeth kills xenagos (the flash of light) and that caused her 'death' as well. the end of the 'watcher' hallway is the broken "Godsend" sitting before elspeths mask, and it lighting up is probably her being resurected via a god to do his will this time.
Did anyone else see Karn and Elesh Norn in here briefly?
we watched the video, yes
Elspeth is coming back for you theros!
Last I knew, In RTR, Gideon Jura was in Ravnica looking for ways to combat the Eldrazi, and Kiora happens to have come from Zendikar, where the Eldrazi were recently let loose. Am I the only one predicting either another set in Zendikar, or one featuring the Eldrazi assaulting a new plane in the next couple years?
My only quistion is why did Heliod not kill Ajani as well. He knev he was helping Elspeth???
***** could be. But it is a sad story abort Elspeth. But it will keep me interested, what happens next. My bet is that Elspeth will return. But as pawn of Erobos. Then later in the Block she will be released, maybe by Ajani, and take her revenge on Heliod and Erobos!!!
These trailers that were made of more 2D, card arts were better imo. Too much epicness!
Which do you guys think is the best god in the pantheon. For me definitely Phenax because dimir card disposal ftw.
Athreos, because he is absurdly good
Pharika. Her healers turn poison into medicine.
Gabriel Xiong In playability its gotta be keranos, love me that blue red control. However in lore it's tough. I love pourphorous, for his boundless creativity and rage. However in the journey into nyx trailer Erebos gives me chills, and he is probably the only god I would hazard to call a good guy in the whole bunch.
lore wise I love Kruphix, serving as both the gateway to Nyx and just a shining example of the pursuit of knowledge. playability, love me my Athreos.
Kruphix
Well, the Phyrexia cameos certainly made this a much more enjoyable trailer.
I love that Erebos is the last narrator. i don't know why but I think it's awesome. I think Erebos is awesome.
Love how they put Karn, Koth and Elesh Norn in this
I want MTG to start doing this for all the Expansions! A nice little "Movie" for the end of a block. Wrapping things up Nicely
Hurray for the Grand Cenobite cameo! Next stop for phyrexian perfection- Theros.
The Five suns may shine on your world but never shall be Nyx visiting Phyrexian dreams!
099Nitro We are the ones doing the visiting. Gods, nyxborn and mortals alike must feel the glory of the Grand Revolution.
If Heliod kills planeswalkers to save his leading position he won't have moral troubles to kill the Praetors ;)
099Nitro Oh for sure he will _try_...
099Nitro The praetors are only pieces on the Grand Evolution they can be recycled after they are destroyed. But in the end everyone submits under the power of the oil.
I wish this was a movie
Elspeth now a WB plainswalker
I hope Elsbeth returns as a creature. Then she can regain her planeswalker powers through more magic.
Amazing. Thanks for the videos Wizard! Hope to see more in the future!
The last part really got me thinking, and i have a theory:
Elspeth slew Xenagos, so he's probably in the underworld, and then Heliod kills Elspeth, so she's in the underworld. My guess is that they fight or something like that in the underworld, which would make a good storyline for a duel deck (as you know duel decks in the spring have a format of planeswalker vs. planeswalker from the last block and are somehow part of the story line. Take Jace vs. Vraska for example. In Jace vs Vraska, Vraska "tests" Jace or something like that since he recently became guildpact). The outcome would probably be that Elspeth permanently kills Xenagos (where ya gonna go after the underworld?) and Erebos takes Xenagos' spark (his "prize"). Erebos probably kills Heliod with his power from the spark, and makes himself the center of the Theros pantheon. Now like most black planeswalkers (except Bolas of course), they may seem really evil at first, but if you read their lore, they are acually trying to protect others (Sorin, even though he really didn't seem evil as much) or redeem themselves (liliana). I'm gonna guess that Erebos devised this plan to protect his plane from evil, like the phyrexians or Bolas. Tell me what you think.
At 3:14 we get a glimpse of Hero's Downfall. For what the card itself portrays, the fact that the soldier just gets walked over is pretty anticlimactic.
Has anyone noticed that Heliod has two very familiar looking horns on his head? Let's put on our thinking caps and remember who would want a powerful planeswalker like Elspeth dead, and would be able to manipulate a god into doing so.
I don't think Heliod knew about planeswalkers before Elspeth and Xenagos, so meeting a non-Theros dragon would have been suspicious for him.
Although it would be cool if Bolas had been manipulating him without Heliod knowing about it (especially because it's so easy). I just don't take the horns as a sign. I believe it's just made to look like a stag. See the similarity in Heliod's Emissary's.
Do you mean Nicol Bolas? YAY i won! Gimme a cookie!
Nah, i don't think so. I think they're taking a break from Nicol Bolas, since he's been in what, 3 blocks now?
That leads me to believe that the end block of the 7 (Or 6, I forget) year plan will be about him. He has been referenced in several blocks since innastrad.
That is a a traditional greco/roman wreath of victory on his head, not horns. Nice idea but its a no go.
5:56 what does it mean? B\W Elspeth card where she wears a returned mask?
Does anyone know why Elesh Norn and koth of the hammer were in the journey into nyx trailer?
Was that Tezzeret's Metal arm at 5:04
I really want to make an Erebos Commander deck right now.
+Ben Peterson Sincere and Really Alluring Voice: 3 cost instant spell: Tap all target opponent's nonland permanents, they do not untap during their next untap step.
I really just wish we got to see more of the Underworld in the cards.
Other than that, wonder what's gonna happen to Elspeth from here on out?
White/Black Returned Elspeth Planeswalker card?
So... after reading the books and some more of the lore I understand that if you "die" and go to the underworld your technically not dead, since Pharika grants eternal sleep not Erebos, my question would be who kept Elspeth's spark her body or eidolon?
why karn and elesh norn at 4:27 ?
Elspeth was part of the force trying to save karn and stop Elish
soooo Elspeth is going to have godsend on her face mask thing?
I just got the hilarious image of the her wearing the sword, blade and all, on her face as a mask :p
Did anyone else notice at 6:25 you can see a sword that looks like Elspeth's weapon?
"When does a hero's journey begin? The moment you step outside the safety of your home? Or when you realize the fight has just begun? Is it when you comprehend how small you are, compared to the vastness of what threatens to destroy you?"
4:29
"The Gitaxians whisper among themselves of other worlds. If they exist, we must bring Phyrexia’s magnificence to them."
-Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Is it just me, or is Elesh Norn coming to Theros in a few blocks?
Wait aren't the Eldrazi trapped there forever?
099Nitro Two of them left Zendikar and only one remained.
gydrah4244 Sow which two excaped? Like if the behemoths of destruction going wild in the multiverse we are all so boned :(
099Nitro Emrakul and Kozilek, only Ulomog stayed on Zendikar.
Gods vs. Praetors would be pretty darn amazing.
Why when showing Karn and Koth did they not show Venser?!
I just started and i got the blue/red deck and its pretty kick ass
Xenagos VS Nico Bolas LETS GO!
Nicol Bolas no contest.
Amen
ThaFacialHair better would be against erebos, as xenagos was attempting to steal erebos's place among the pantheon, look where he is now. Afterall, no one can stop death.
+Urbarask Praetor
I want to see Erebos and his new prize (B/W Elspeth) take down Heliod or at least make him look like the lil bastard he truly is in combat. Ohhh man I would be so ecstatic if that happened on our next visit to theros. Then Erebos lets Elspeth go free but if he needs her for some reason, then she must return.(whether if she wants to or not)
Jacob Dominguez Erebos gives up nothing, ever, for anyone. That's his whole character. The whole point of the returned is that by covering up your face, your identity in life, the flesh can return to "life", but the spirit never can. Erebos will never let go of a single dead soul. Also Erebos has tried to take down Heliod before, everytime he does Heliod picks the strongest person on Theros makes them his champion, and they die in the process of stopping Erebos, Pourphoros, Mogis, whomever Heliod wants stopped that day. But I agree seeing the god's get their comeuppance would be great. I mean Thassa already got her ass whupped.
6:08 , Please somebody make this a wallpaper.
***** Thank you ^^
Anybody know where I can find the music in these trailers?
Oky, so 4:28 and 4:40, what do you guys think about that? Nothing related to theros or is it Elspeth's past memories?
Khans of Tarkin
masterdmcx Tinus Potgieter
That's Karn, in reference to the crap that happened on Dominaria with the Phyrexians.
It has nothing to do with the next set, it's about Elspeth's past.
Something's different about the journey into nyx trailer. Yeah. There are Phyrexians in it. Oh yeah. That's right. She's from Mirrodin, now known as New Phyrexia. With her gone, well, what happens to them?
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So im a new magic player, like 20 minutes ago I ordered the m14 deck builder toolkit. Witch is my very frist set. So is this video a preview of all the sets
More or less but it's also a taste of the story around MTG .
I find it funny that nobody has said this, but when they return to theros (because it was a huge success), they are probably going to make a new Ajani Vengeant, and maybe they are gonna bring back Koth, and the two of them are gonna go kill Heliod
I wish. Ajani Vengeant was made special for his vendetta against Nicol Bolas, over the death of his brother. But yes, God I want to see a Red-White planeswalker
I don't really feel like the "Vengeant" aspect of Ajani applies to his character anymore. I mean yes he was that way in Alara, but that was during his youthful years when he wasn't as wise. I personally would rather him become angry with Heliod but stay fully white or white/green.
Why are random Phyrexians (and Koth) popping up every now and then?
daaaamn that ending is gread looking forward what comes!! nice
Since Death in Theros doesn't really mean the end and with the card Reviving Melody proving the dead can come back not as a returned, Elspeth might come back. Knowing Heliod cast Erebos into the underworld, Erebos would hold a grudge and Elspeth is a god slayer, might Erebos use her to slay Heliod in a return block?
We can hope .
Why was Elesh Norn and Karn in the Journey into Nyx video?
Why the heck did I see Elesh?
I'm pretty sure it was referring to Elspeths past when she, Venser, and Koth were fighting the Phyrexians on Mirridon(New Phyrexia). It was just recollecting her past, just as it showed her in Bant on the plane of Alara as well.
The only thing that bugs me: Was there a red/green god before xenagos? WIll there be one after him?
i want another phyrexia block now
nope, Khans of Tarkir.
I want another zendikar block now, if we are talking about wishes
luis olguin If we are talking wishes then I would like a new Alara block :b
maybe kamigawa, you know, because we are now in this gods' theme
luis olguin maro already said that we wont be returning to kamigawa since it was so unpopular
will you guys be doing a fate reforged trailer?!
If you rewatch the KoT trailer, with the knowledge of what happened during FRF, you'll notice that the KoT trailer is actually more of the FRF trailer than of the KoT trailer
Oh ok
Elspeth, Death's Champion, calling it right now