Adlerian Psychology and the Non-Existence of Trauma
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- In this video, we take a different perspective on the concept of 'trauma' and how it relates to the development of a person's psyche in their future life. This unconventional approach to 'trauma' was first developed by one of the greatest psychoanalysts in history, Alfred Adler, who is often overshadowed by Freud and Jung.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - John's story
1:37 - Susan' story
3:14 - Adlerian psychology
4:35 - John's belief
5:04 - Susan's courage
7:20 - Safegurading behaviors and "inferiority complex"
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Before finishing this video, I felt compelled to say thank you. Your way of teaching concepts with metaphors and relatable examples is amazing. I am deeply grateful to you. You touched my soul with Adler's ideas. Sending love from a different part of the globe.
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Does he delve into the different family environments in the two situations? In my personal experience it's the child's close relationships at home that guide which worldview is solidified.
I grew up being bullied, but my biggest bullies looking back were my own parents and siblings. My mindset remained until I moved out and discovered (luckily) not everyone is like my family.
The way it's phrased in the video seems to portray it as if children have more awareness of their core beliefs and the ability to challenge them than they actually do.
Yeah exactly like maybe the girl had evidence of potential kindness and that's how she was able to find hope and maybe the boy was more like you or me that didn't have that evidence because the abuse came from the very people that shaped us from our earliest beginnings and we had no way to cultivate the concept of hope until we left that like there's so many other factors besides this abstract concept of perspective and attitude and like children don't think like that children don't consciously make those judgments about the world it all happens internally in subconscious and those beliefs only become evident when you try take it apart apart later in life so there's no way for people to consciously pick which path they take some just get lucky
I recommend the book "The Courage to be Disliked" trust me it's a book worth your time, it delves deep into Adlerian psychology and gives you a new perspective on this video.
I know the feeling of pulling away from society. I’m not traumatized as far as I know, but just predisposed to solitude. My mother is the same way. Trying to break out and be social is like trying to fall on your back while remaining stiff. Every instinct is screaming for you to catch yourself. It’s ultimately your choice though and I would encourage anyone who has trauma that makes you isolate yourself to force yourself out. It’s hard but you won’t regret it
I don’t know what’s in these other people’s heads but I will say that I suspect that the rejection of Adler’s solution to trauma may stem from one fact: it’s a hard path. Susan’s path was not the easy choice, but she made something and became active, instead of just being passive. Adler wasn’t the only one who preached this kind of advice of, “You can’t control what happens to you, but you can control how you react. See, for example, the neo-Stoics. I will also speak from personal experience and say that as an artist, I make something of my trauma regularly. It really can feed creativity if you *do the work* and develop an expressive craft, instead of just going on the defensive…. You’ve gotta act. No one’s going to save you. Yes, you need support, I know but frankly, people wanna support potential. So it really does start with you. Make the decision to do something about your problem. The rest will follow. It’s not easy, but not impossible either.
I get your point I agree you're right but I think it's not just that it's the hard path I think it's the fact that it can feel very invalidating to people like someone is telling them your pain doesn't matter it shouldn't hurt just get over it and be better when someones really struggling and in the depths of it doing these things do feel impossible even if they aren't it's not just about not wanting to do the hard work it's about wanting someone to acknowledge the difficulty like you are which a lot of people don't do making the concept of perspective and attitude harder to swallow to say trauma doesn't exist just feels wrong yes it's up to us to figure out how to move past it but it's also OK to acknowledge that it did happen and it did hurt as well that's part of healing and when people say oh what happened happened it's in the past it's over and done no big deal change your attitude that just sucks you're right you can make something out of your pain but I feel like people shouldn't expect that every traumatized person needs to do that in order to deserve respect it just feels wrong to blame people for their suffering that's like people who think only addicts that are in recovery deserve compassion not everyone's gonna be on a healthy path yet but berating them for it often doesn't help and a lot of people try to share legitimately good advice with an off putting attitude of blame and shame which can be very triggering to people who have dealt with trauma
Beautifully put
The response of a child to trauma is dictated by the environment and support he/she has. A 1 year old doesn't make a conscious choice to reflect on the neglect or abuse of his/her parents and "move forward". John had a less supportive environment, heck, he might've had no one to help him see the good. Susan, probably had a more supportive environment, which allowed her to view the world more positively. Neither "just made a choice" to cling to, or not cling to fear
Adler's psychology here seems very lacking, puts too much emphasis on the power of the individual, and misses a very crucial element of trauma.
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@@raymondmurdock8603 Wishing you a life of compassion, love, kindness, and peace
The thing is, the purpose of Adler’s theories is to empower the traumatized individual in adulthood, and help them to overcome their trauma. They don’t deny the existence of their emotional scars, but instead share the powerful message that you can shift your perspective and still thrive and achieve your goals despite them. You don’t have to simply accept your inner ideas that “this is just the way you are”. You can set goals and change your lifestyle to accomplish them.
@@xmetalgamerxthat is still a very limited view of trauma though. I agree with you that Adler is about how an adult responds to the story of their trauma and people can get caught and stuck in the trauma events rather than their reaction to the events, but that’s only part of the story.
As someone who was abused as a child and has worked with others who have experienced trauma at a level most ppl can’t even conceive of, Adlers approach is (IMO) more useful as a model for later therapy. There are a LOT of people who jump on the Adler philosophy like he has THE answers as their ‘individualism’ bootstrapping guru.
In reality some people’s trauma is so significant, dark and scarring they won’t ever heal properly - and it is not a personal choice.
Additionally, the completely unique nature of each person’s genetics, life circumstances, wealth, family, trauma and early childhood experiences determine epigenetic influences that can manifest as conditions that have zero to do with our choice/purpose/power etc. Early and significant trauma makes very real changes to our physiology (amygdala size for example) and that trauma and damage is very real and was not understood back then like it is now with emerging neuroscience and imaging etc
Great so you're saying I need to change my perspective an attitude about what I've been through stop doom scrolling and start painting or go jogging and then my mental illness will be cured that sounds really fucking familiar wonder where I've heard that attitude before Oh yeah everyone's throughout most of my existence including the very people that traumatize me ugh I mean I'm not saying you're completely wrong just that we've known this for years if that was something us chronically damaged people could actually do nobody would have problems anymore that's not how it works you don't get to choose if you're one of those people to thrive despite adversity or one crushed by it so many factors contribute to your own psychological resilience maybe the first kids brain was genetically predetermined to recoil and fear and response or maybe the girl had hope because she saw evidence for the potential of good and kindness the boy never got to see
You’re exactly right, our brains are shaped by trauma at young ages, that’s why things like childhood complex ptsd exist.
@@sammihebert6493 exactly I struggle with that the trauma also gave me things like BPD self harm and an eating disorder but people are like it's not the trauma it's how you reacted to it it's like do you really think somebody this broken and kinda suicidal needs another reason to blame hate themselves can we just admit that my parents were funked up pieces of shit and what they did was wrong instead of blaming me for trying my best to survive the only way I can even if it's not the healthiest option like I'll take responsibility for the fact I choose to isolate and wallow when I could do things to improve my life but like that shouldn't make my pain completely invalid cause it's not like I chose to be born into this life
@@sammihebert6493 people don't understand that we already suffer with the overwhelming desire to blame and hate ourselves for it all people don't understand how long it took for me to actually acknowledge that being damaged is understandable after what I've been through and not a character flaw or moral failing
@@raymondmurdock8603 You're completely valid. And it does feel way out of our control (the mental illness due to trauma) But I promise you sweet soul, if we practice focusing on positives as a first step, you will see things slowly start to shift. You will begin to heal. I know this from personal experience. I know not everyone is the same but I felt how you feel before for a long time. I didn't want to be here either. Everything was so hard. emotions were so extreme, felt like I couldn't handle it. I was an adult stuck with a child mind. Still the hurt 8 year old girl who was abused. I had to to try. and it does seem hard. But as you begin, it keeps getting easier and easier. I hope this helps somehow..I really do wish for you to begin to love life and yourself. I don't know you but I love you. You were just a child. It's not your fault. It's also not your parents fault. It sucks that people that are suppose to love and protect us hurt us sometimes if we're unlucky. But it's fun to see how you can take that pain, and transmute it into something beautiful, and good. I believe in you. Please don't perceive this in a condescending way or anything. It comes from a pure place. I just know how it is to be on that side of the Journey. It's rough. Hero's journey is not for the weak. you got this
Just takes persistent practice, not reacting negatively, or behaving self destructively. practice choosing positive habits/behaviors. We may not be able to completely absolve the mental illness's, but we can adapt, and try
This video annoys me so incredibly much. It's such a oversimplification of trauma. Oh just think differently, trauma is way more deep than that. Just feels like another psychological brainwasher.
I'm glad I'm not the only one fuming at this it's complete bs don't tell me my trauma doesn't exist and my pain isn't real I just need a better attitude just because some crackpot who's been dead for 100 years thought that LMAO
I wouldn't give too much credence to Alfred Adler's theories. He was absolutely wrong on a number of things. Though I disagree with Adler, this was still a good video.
Yet another example of some self help idiot discrediting people's mental illness and legitimate suffering and finding a way to blame them by using the batshit crazy pseudoscience theories of some person who's been dead for 100 years
I would not say that Freud was great psychoanalyst. He can be granted the development of unconscious work and dream analysis. But overall he made more to cover up massive sexual trauma of his time than helped. He created sexual drive theory to further hide and blame victims for their suffering and trauma. For which he should not be put on pedestal, but judged appropriately.
I am not sure if women who were sexually abused in Viena in those days and developed as he called it "hysteria", which was propably combination of what we today would call depression, anxiety disorders etc - they had issues with relationships and mood - that these women chose to ascribe wrong meaning to their experiences. I think its an insult to them.
If you were sexually abused, and betreyed by your environment(caregivers), you will naturally become distrustfull and withdrawn. Some people commit suicide becouse if this disconnection and isolation, some develop addictions. But how can you say that people had some say in what they made of their experiences?
If you want to read something worthwhile on trauma you should look Alice Miller, Judith Lewis Herman or others of this type. And not look at oldschool grandpas, who contributed some, but ultimately failed at sticking with victims. Even Kohut or Lowen were better than them(Adler, Freud, Jung).
Its so much about the pain and support system that allows us to remain some trust in humanity and ourselves. Usually the ones who end up scrolling and running away from pain are the ones who did not have any of that. That does not mean that you cant develop trust and overcome trauma as an adult - becouse you surely can. Its hell of a work, but its possible, with proper support, which can help you develop trust and grieve your traumas. But denying it certainly wont help the victims. Its invalidating.
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John *felt* fear because many humans are cruel, whether truly inherent or product of environment. John chose to reduce his exposure to cruelty. Sure, sometimes it's learned helplessness, but other times, there really is some continued presence of a hazard in the environment. Yes, it's probably healthier to try to maintain a semblance of normal life despite continued exposure to cruelty, but to expect that of a child is ridiculous.
Yes, with a good bit of practice at the right type of meditation (or a strong dose of a dimethyltryptamine / substituted dimethyltryptamine) it's possible to dissociate from the negative effects of continued exposure in order to enjoy the positive aspects of life. Sure, less complete forms of such dissociation may be accomplished by way of simple therapy. Sure, Buddha's second arrow is of the mind's making; the first one still hurts.
But why even bother with rhetoric? Why are we debating this, when we have *empirical* evidence of the existence of trauma: ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) and associated statistics, showing vastly worse lifetime outcomes on mental and physical health. Sure, the initial damage is psychological in origin (psychological processes do, in fact, have nontrivial physical downstream effects, e.g., long-term increase in serum cortisol, modulation of sex hormones [minor effect], dysregulation of sympathetic nervous system, psychogenic fever etc.), but to suggest that the primary fault is lack of good-faith effort is absurd. It amounts to victim-blaming.
This is like telling a heroin addict the solution to their problems is to "just say no" to drugs. Like yeah, becoming sober is entirely dependent on not doing drugs, but it's not like one can just flip a switch and decide to stop being an addict. This school of psychology also leads to trauma victims using "positive reframing" to cover up the damage the trauma has done being in denial that what they experienced is still causing problems. The idea that people just have victimhood complexes and need to get over it is as insulting as it is inaccurate and is almost exclusively held by people who haven't done any extensive work with trauma victims. In most instances the hardest part of treatment is getting them to accept that what happened to them wasn't okay, and it's not something a child should be expected to have to deal with on their own.
That’s because addiction, more than a psychological issue, is a physical health issue. Your body becomes dependent on that specific substance because of the chemical reactions it produces in your brain and body. So of course it can’t be treated through therapy alone, or a basic shift in your attitude and goals (although I’m sure this would help). However, some purely psychological traumas can be treated through an understanding of Adlerian theories. They’ve certainly helped me to start overcoming my severe social anxiety caused by narcissistic abuse. I no longer allow myself to identify with the thought that “I have social anxiety” and I no longer blame my past trauma or my abuser for my current behaviors. So it no longer works as an excuse to not go out with friends or attend meetings or put myself out there. In fact, I’m going out more than ever and facing my fears head on because I refuse to accept my inner voice telling me that these even are fears of mine to begin with. Adlerian psychology may not be for everyone, but it’s literally the only thing that’s worked for me. Freud’s theories just kept me living in the past and cursing it for “making me the way I am”. I tried going to therapy and it never worked. But now I am seeing real improvements.
The truth is only in God .
Stupid simplification . Works as a mechanical gearbox attached to a quantum computer .